100 jobs to go and council tax up as council faces £14m cuts

Daily Echo: 100 jobs to go and council tax up as council faces £14m cuts 100 jobs to go and council tax up as council faces £14m cuts

ALMOST 100 jobs will be lost and council tax will increase as part of £14.4million cuts at Southampton City Council.

Labour council bosses have this evening put forward their final budget proposals which will come into force from April if approved by the full council.

Among the proposals - which are likely to be formally adopted at a council meeting on February 12 - are raising council tax by 1.9 per cent.

A total of 48 jobs - 22 of which are already vacant - will be axed across the council.

And with another 43 jobs being cut through the streamlining of the authority's children's, public health, adult and housing departments into the new People Directorate, it means almost 100 jobs will be lost this year at the council.

The City Patrol service, which deals with littering and other “environmental crime” will be scrapped with the loss of four jobs.

And the Tudor House museum is set to have its hours reduced, while Trading Standards will be scaled back.

The council carried out consultation which 3,600 residents responded to, and Labour bosses say they have responded to several items of concern.

Two staff within the museums and galleries education team will now keep their jobs, with a budget for freelance staff being cut to make up the difference.

The pledge by city council leader Simon Letts to freeze parking charges for the next three years is also included within the budget.

And he has also announced he will work with opposition parties to look at the number of the city's wards and councillors, and how often elections take place, in a bid to cut further funding.

The authority has met a £1.4milion shortfall by dipping into the council's reserves.

The council's deputy leader and cabinet member for resources, Stephen Barnes-Andrews, said: “We are facing a shortfall between our income and expenditure in 2014/15 due to a decrease in the funding we receive from central government, increasing demand for our services and rising costs.

“This means that spending reductions have to be made, however we have demonstrated our commitment to engaging residents and stakeholders more extensively than before on which services they think we should prioritise and reviewing our proposals to help limit their potential impact.

“The council still delivers hundreds of services and we will continue to protect these and front line services as far as possible.”

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6:10pm Mon 27 Jan 14

BorislawGeorgiew says...

I'm stuck in a conundrum,
it's tougher than it seems;
my image comes off tarnished
when I live within my means.

I haven't any credit cards,
I know what that will do;
in red I'd drown with shameful eyes,
hands clenching i.o.u.s.


The clothes I wear are modest,
ridiculously plain;
but budgets force the toughest calls
for tightening the reins.

This means that I'm a saver,
willing to find the deal
in clothes, supplies and vittles;
clipping coupons for meals.

My love life really suffers,
nobody likes my looks;
those who see past my cover
with plots to twist "my book".

I guess I could "go normal"
get credit cards en masse,
buy myself some fancy threads
showing a little class.

Or buy a television
from this fine century;
to trash this slow computer,
how sweet that move would be.

A new neighborhood calls me
safety money can buy;
no more drugs sold steps outside,
less peeping toms that spy.

The best part I'd deliver-
my family would note,
more gifts and time with "Auntie",
my love on them I'd dote.


So much I'd love to change about
the life I've had to lead,
yet all the debt that I'd incur
would leave me more in need.

I know I have the same heart
my soul stands true no less,
with loyalty until the end,
a gift pure love confessed.


So once again that leaves me
living within my means;
one ulcer less for choosing to...



...I'll always have my dreams.
I'm stuck in a conundrum, it's tougher than it seems; my image comes off tarnished when I live within my means. I haven't any credit cards, I know what that will do; in red I'd drown with shameful eyes, hands clenching i.o.u.s. The clothes I wear are modest, ridiculously plain; but budgets force the toughest calls for tightening the reins. This means that I'm a saver, willing to find the deal in clothes, supplies and vittles; clipping coupons for meals. My love life really suffers, nobody likes my looks; those who see past my cover with plots to twist "my book". I guess I could "go normal" get credit cards en masse, buy myself some fancy threads showing a little class. Or buy a television from this fine century; to trash this slow computer, how sweet that move would be. A new neighborhood calls me safety money can buy; no more drugs sold steps outside, less peeping toms that spy. The best part I'd deliver- my family would note, more gifts and time with "Auntie", my love on them I'd dote. So much I'd love to change about the life I've had to lead, yet all the debt that I'd incur would leave me more in need. I know I have the same heart my soul stands true no less, with loyalty until the end, a gift pure love confessed. So once again that leaves me living within my means; one ulcer less for choosing to... ...I'll always have my dreams. BorislawGeorgiew
  • Score: -4

6:20pm Mon 27 Jan 14

loosehead says...

is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff?
So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it?
No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget.
the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so.
Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it!
is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff? So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it? No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget. the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so. Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it! loosehead
  • Score: -2

6:44pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Saintlygirl says...

This council is bleeding me dry! My wages haven't gone up in 3 years and in April I'll be paying £30 for my parking permit! Grrrrrrr!
This council is bleeding me dry! My wages haven't gone up in 3 years and in April I'll be paying £30 for my parking permit! Grrrrrrr! Saintlygirl
  • Score: 7

7:19pm Mon 27 Jan 14

mickey01 says...

so why are they spending so much money on that stupid cycle way near woolston /town
i think its great now we can see what labour stands for and i for one would not vote for that party whatever happens in the future
so why are they spending so much money on that stupid cycle way near woolston /town i think its great now we can see what labour stands for and i for one would not vote for that party whatever happens in the future mickey01
  • Score: 11

7:28pm Mon 27 Jan 14

thinklikealocal says...

mickey01 wrote:
so why are they spending so much money on that stupid cycle way near woolston /town
i think its great now we can see what labour stands for and i for one would not vote for that party whatever happens in the future
That is being paid for by grant monies awarded specifically for that project. The money could not have been spent on anything else.
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: so why are they spending so much money on that stupid cycle way near woolston /town i think its great now we can see what labour stands for and i for one would not vote for that party whatever happens in the future[/p][/quote]That is being paid for by grant monies awarded specifically for that project. The money could not have been spent on anything else. thinklikealocal
  • Score: 4

7:29pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

mickey01 wrote:
so why are they spending so much money on that stupid cycle way near woolston /town
i think its great now we can see what labour stands for and i for one would not vote for that party whatever happens in the future
You probably never did anyway ....
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: so why are they spending so much money on that stupid cycle way near woolston /town i think its great now we can see what labour stands for and i for one would not vote for that party whatever happens in the future[/p][/quote]You probably never did anyway .... Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 2

7:29pm Mon 27 Jan 14

thinklikealocal says...

Saintlygirl wrote:
This council is bleeding me dry! My wages haven't gone up in 3 years and in April I'll be paying £30 for my parking permit! Grrrrrrr!
You don't have to purchase a parking permit, they are not compulsory.....
[quote][p][bold]Saintlygirl[/bold] wrote: This council is bleeding me dry! My wages haven't gone up in 3 years and in April I'll be paying £30 for my parking permit! Grrrrrrr![/p][/quote]You don't have to purchase a parking permit, they are not compulsory..... thinklikealocal
  • Score: 4

7:46pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Saintlygirl says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Saintlygirl wrote:
This council is bleeding me dry! My wages haven't gone up in 3 years and in April I'll be paying £30 for my parking permit! Grrrrrrr!
You don't have to purchase a parking permit, they are not compulsory.....
If I Don't have a permit, I'll get a parking ticket every day! I live in a parking zone area!
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintlygirl[/bold] wrote: This council is bleeding me dry! My wages haven't gone up in 3 years and in April I'll be paying £30 for my parking permit! Grrrrrrr![/p][/quote]You don't have to purchase a parking permit, they are not compulsory.....[/p][/quote]If I Don't have a permit, I'll get a parking ticket every day! I live in a parking zone area! Saintlygirl
  • Score: 9

7:46pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Linesman says...

mickey01 wrote:
so why are they spending so much money on that stupid cycle way near woolston /town
i think its great now we can see what labour stands for and i for one would not vote for that party whatever happens in the future
If that's the case, and assuming that you will vote, I guess that your cross will be placed against the party that has reduced the grant to Southampton City Council, and expects them to provide the same services, despite the rise in the cost of providing the services. Just one example of this is the rise in the cost of fuel. Just think how much extra that has cost the refuse collection service, let alone other services.
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: so why are they spending so much money on that stupid cycle way near woolston /town i think its great now we can see what labour stands for and i for one would not vote for that party whatever happens in the future[/p][/quote]If that's the case, and assuming that you will vote, I guess that your cross will be placed against the party that has reduced the grant to Southampton City Council, and expects them to provide the same services, despite the rise in the cost of providing the services. Just one example of this is the rise in the cost of fuel. Just think how much extra that has cost the refuse collection service, let alone other services. Linesman
  • Score: -5

8:56pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Icejelly says...

How about streamlining some of the authority's senior management? Of course not, that would not even cross their tiny minds. Far better for them to get rid of people who do the real work in the city.
How about streamlining some of the authority's senior management? Of course not, that would not even cross their tiny minds. Far better for them to get rid of people who do the real work in the city. Icejelly
  • Score: 15

9:15pm Mon 27 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Icejelly wrote:
How about streamlining some of the authority's senior management? Of course not, that would not even cross their tiny minds. Far better for them to get rid of people who do the real work in the city.
actually that would have happened if we had kept the Tory council as that was planned with the union with the Isle of wight council & by merging the top level posts either council would have saved millions but guess what? Labour scrapped that deal & are now saying it's government cuts?
So two things done by the Tories to ensure we could cover cuts in the budget Labour either scrapped or reversed at a time they knew we couldn't afford to.
Reversed the pay cuts ( when we never had the money?).
scrapped a deal worth millions even though they invented two more cabinet posts.
thanks to the application going in under a Tory council they could up it & again with the thanks of our Tory MP we got a grant for refuse otherwise another load of job losses plus a cut in the service,
was this what the refuse workers went on strike for? luckily enough the grant was granted by the same government Labour are blaming for their mis management of he cities finances.
A privately run Ski dome would have bought in business rates but they stopped it so a source of income lost?
Just remember this council tax rise isn't to bridge the cut in government money but to finance a 1.9% pay rise for those council workers who haven't lost their jobs?
would the low paid council workers who would have received pay rises gone on strike if they had known about Labours plans to cut jobs & services?
Didn't Williams say the Echo was lying when they printed him saying just that?
Well look at this lying council & ask yourselfs this would a Labour government stick to it's promises or is it like this council lying to win power?
are you going to vote to change the council this time?
[quote][p][bold]Icejelly[/bold] wrote: How about streamlining some of the authority's senior management? Of course not, that would not even cross their tiny minds. Far better for them to get rid of people who do the real work in the city.[/p][/quote]actually that would have happened if we had kept the Tory council as that was planned with the union with the Isle of wight council & by merging the top level posts either council would have saved millions but guess what? Labour scrapped that deal & are now saying it's government cuts? So two things done by the Tories to ensure we could cover cuts in the budget Labour either scrapped or reversed at a time they knew we couldn't afford to. Reversed the pay cuts ( when we never had the money?). scrapped a deal worth millions even though they invented two more cabinet posts. thanks to the application going in under a Tory council they could up it & again with the thanks of our Tory MP we got a grant for refuse otherwise another load of job losses plus a cut in the service, was this what the refuse workers went on strike for? luckily enough the grant was granted by the same government Labour are blaming for their mis management of he cities finances. A privately run Ski dome would have bought in business rates but they stopped it so a source of income lost? Just remember this council tax rise isn't to bridge the cut in government money but to finance a 1.9% pay rise for those council workers who haven't lost their jobs? would the low paid council workers who would have received pay rises gone on strike if they had known about Labours plans to cut jobs & services? Didn't Williams say the Echo was lying when they printed him saying just that? Well look at this lying council & ask yourselfs this would a Labour government stick to it's promises or is it like this council lying to win power? are you going to vote to change the council this time? loosehead
  • Score: 4

9:18pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Maine Lobster says...

loosehead wrote:
is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff?
So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it?
No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget.
the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so.
Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it!
Had you down as first likely poster to blame Labour...yawn yawn. if Council tax goes up it will be a much lower increase than most other things you buy. If my food, fuel, insurance and other domestic bills were only going up at that rate, I would be much better off than I am now. Nobody wants to pay more but to whinge about Council Tax increases of 1.9% is unrealistic when it has been frozen for several years despite massive Government funding cuts and many other things have increased way above that level. As for your claim that Council staff are getting an increase, you are talking out of your backside! Many Council employees are earning less now than 5 years ago after Royston Smith cut their wages to make a name for himself. The political gamble failed and he was booted out. The restoration of pay cuts implemented in 2011 will be completed this April after a 2 year staged agreement. Public sector pay has not risen since 2008. Facts! Get yours right if you are going to make a valid point.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff? So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it? No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget. the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so. Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it![/p][/quote]Had you down as first likely poster to blame Labour...yawn yawn. if Council tax goes up it will be a much lower increase than most other things you buy. If my food, fuel, insurance and other domestic bills were only going up at that rate, I would be much better off than I am now. Nobody wants to pay more but to whinge about Council Tax increases of 1.9% is unrealistic when it has been frozen for several years despite massive Government funding cuts and many other things have increased way above that level. As for your claim that Council staff are getting an increase, you are talking out of your backside! Many Council employees are earning less now than 5 years ago after Royston Smith cut their wages to make a name for himself. The political gamble failed and he was booted out. The restoration of pay cuts implemented in 2011 will be completed this April after a 2 year staged agreement. Public sector pay has not risen since 2008. Facts! Get yours right if you are going to make a valid point. Maine Lobster
  • Score: 2

9:30pm Mon 27 Jan 14

thinklikealocal says...

Icejelly wrote:
How about streamlining some of the authority's senior management? Of course not, that would not even cross their tiny minds. Far better for them to get rid of people who do the real work in the city.
I think you'll find that senior management has already been streamlined! There used to be 6 Directorates, each with a senior manager, there are now only 3.

Wow the Tories have done fabulous job of turning the public against Local Government and the Civil Service. They've made a lesser, but none the less concerted, effort to do the same with the Police and NHS. A great distraction for the public whilst they slowly 'dismantle' public services.....

I just hope it's not too late before the public wake up and realise they've been had.
[quote][p][bold]Icejelly[/bold] wrote: How about streamlining some of the authority's senior management? Of course not, that would not even cross their tiny minds. Far better for them to get rid of people who do the real work in the city.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that senior management has already been streamlined! There used to be 6 Directorates, each with a senior manager, there are now only 3. Wow the Tories have done fabulous job of turning the public against Local Government and the Civil Service. They've made a lesser, but none the less concerted, effort to do the same with the Police and NHS. A great distraction for the public whilst they slowly 'dismantle' public services..... I just hope it's not too late before the public wake up and realise they've been had. thinklikealocal
  • Score: 5

9:32pm Mon 27 Jan 14

thinklikealocal says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
loosehead wrote:
is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff?
So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it?
No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget.
the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so.
Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it!
Had you down as first likely poster to blame Labour...yawn yawn. if Council tax goes up it will be a much lower increase than most other things you buy. If my food, fuel, insurance and other domestic bills were only going up at that rate, I would be much better off than I am now. Nobody wants to pay more but to whinge about Council Tax increases of 1.9% is unrealistic when it has been frozen for several years despite massive Government funding cuts and many other things have increased way above that level. As for your claim that Council staff are getting an increase, you are talking out of your backside! Many Council employees are earning less now than 5 years ago after Royston Smith cut their wages to make a name for himself. The political gamble failed and he was booted out. The restoration of pay cuts implemented in 2011 will be completed this April after a 2 year staged agreement. Public sector pay has not risen since 2008. Facts! Get yours right if you are going to make a valid point.
Here here! I too knew who the first poster on here would be spouting ill informed garbage.
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff? So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it? No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget. the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so. Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it![/p][/quote]Had you down as first likely poster to blame Labour...yawn yawn. if Council tax goes up it will be a much lower increase than most other things you buy. If my food, fuel, insurance and other domestic bills were only going up at that rate, I would be much better off than I am now. Nobody wants to pay more but to whinge about Council Tax increases of 1.9% is unrealistic when it has been frozen for several years despite massive Government funding cuts and many other things have increased way above that level. As for your claim that Council staff are getting an increase, you are talking out of your backside! Many Council employees are earning less now than 5 years ago after Royston Smith cut their wages to make a name for himself. The political gamble failed and he was booted out. The restoration of pay cuts implemented in 2011 will be completed this April after a 2 year staged agreement. Public sector pay has not risen since 2008. Facts! Get yours right if you are going to make a valid point.[/p][/quote]Here here! I too knew who the first poster on here would be spouting ill informed garbage. thinklikealocal
  • Score: 2

9:39pm Mon 27 Jan 14

thinklikealocal says...

Saintlygirl wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Saintlygirl wrote:
This council is bleeding me dry! My wages haven't gone up in 3 years and in April I'll be paying £30 for my parking permit! Grrrrrrr!
You don't have to purchase a parking permit, they are not compulsory.....
If I Don't have a permit, I'll get a parking ticket every day! I live in a parking zone area!
Yes but you don't have to have a car or park! Aren't these permits being introduced because residents complained they could not get a parking space in their area? Yes? So, residents want some kind of control over parking in their area, to improve their situation, but don't expect to pay the costs for this 'privilege'. No one living in a non resident parking area has the 'guarantee' of a parking space in the area in which they live so why should they pay the costs for others who do have that privilege.
[quote][p][bold]Saintlygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintlygirl[/bold] wrote: This council is bleeding me dry! My wages haven't gone up in 3 years and in April I'll be paying £30 for my parking permit! Grrrrrrr![/p][/quote]You don't have to purchase a parking permit, they are not compulsory.....[/p][/quote]If I Don't have a permit, I'll get a parking ticket every day! I live in a parking zone area![/p][/quote]Yes but you don't have to have a car or park! Aren't these permits being introduced because residents complained they could not get a parking space in their area? Yes? So, residents want some kind of control over parking in their area, to improve their situation, but don't expect to pay the costs for this 'privilege'. No one living in a non resident parking area has the 'guarantee' of a parking space in the area in which they live so why should they pay the costs for others who do have that privilege. thinklikealocal
  • Score: 3

9:43pm Mon 27 Jan 14

George4th says...

As Labour supporters continue to bury their heads in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the total mess that the Labour government made all by themselves with their Spend Spend Spend and Spend some more style of governance! (Funnily enough, many of the Labour MPs have quietly, very quietly, admitted what a mess they made on just about anything you care to name!
CONSUMER BOOM!
PROPERTY BOOM!
CREDIT BOOM!
Illegal War in Iraq!
Education Dumbed Down!
etc etc etc!

Just for the record, when the Global Financial Crisis hit, we had THE LARGEST DEFICIT IN THE WESTERN WORLD!!!!!!!! Labour try and blame the Financial crisis for our predicament when in truth, they caused the UK to go Bust!
As Labour supporters continue to bury their heads in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the total mess that the Labour government made all by themselves with their Spend Spend Spend and Spend some more style of governance! (Funnily enough, many of the Labour MPs have quietly, very quietly, admitted what a mess they made on just about anything you care to name! CONSUMER BOOM! PROPERTY BOOM! CREDIT BOOM! Illegal War in Iraq! Education Dumbed Down! etc etc etc! Just for the record, when the Global Financial Crisis hit, we had THE LARGEST DEFICIT IN THE WESTERN WORLD!!!!!!!! Labour try and blame the Financial crisis for our predicament when in truth, they caused the UK to go Bust! George4th
  • Score: 2

9:51pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Maine Lobster says...

George4th wrote:
As Labour supporters continue to bury their heads in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the total mess that the Labour government made all by themselves with their Spend Spend Spend and Spend some more style of governance! (Funnily enough, many of the Labour MPs have quietly, very quietly, admitted what a mess they made on just about anything you care to name!
CONSUMER BOOM!
PROPERTY BOOM!
CREDIT BOOM!
Illegal War in Iraq!
Education Dumbed Down!
etc etc etc!

Just for the record, when the Global Financial Crisis hit, we had THE LARGEST DEFICIT IN THE WESTERN WORLD!!!!!!!! Labour try and blame the Financial crisis for our predicament when in truth, they caused the UK to go Bust!
Labour made mistakes but the worldwide global crisis, mainly attributed to profligate lending in the USA led most of the world into a financial crisis. If the Conservatives had been in Government at the time, they would have had a very similar situation. It is customary for each side to blame the other though so we all hear the partisan **** on both sides of the argument. Standing blindly on one side of it, as you do, is just not objective and fails to accept the reality.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: As Labour supporters continue to bury their heads in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the total mess that the Labour government made all by themselves with their Spend Spend Spend and Spend some more style of governance! (Funnily enough, many of the Labour MPs have quietly, very quietly, admitted what a mess they made on just about anything you care to name! CONSUMER BOOM! PROPERTY BOOM! CREDIT BOOM! Illegal War in Iraq! Education Dumbed Down! etc etc etc! Just for the record, when the Global Financial Crisis hit, we had THE LARGEST DEFICIT IN THE WESTERN WORLD!!!!!!!! Labour try and blame the Financial crisis for our predicament when in truth, they caused the UK to go Bust![/p][/quote]Labour made mistakes but the worldwide global crisis, mainly attributed to profligate lending in the USA led most of the world into a financial crisis. If the Conservatives had been in Government at the time, they would have had a very similar situation. It is customary for each side to blame the other though so we all hear the partisan **** on both sides of the argument. Standing blindly on one side of it, as you do, is just not objective and fails to accept the reality. Maine Lobster
  • Score: 7

10:51pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Saintlygirl says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Saintlygirl wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Saintlygirl wrote:
This council is bleeding me dry! My wages haven't gone up in 3 years and in April I'll be paying £30 for my parking permit! Grrrrrrr!
You don't have to purchase a parking permit, they are not compulsory.....
If I Don't have a permit, I'll get a parking ticket every day! I live in a parking zone area!
Yes but you don't have to have a car or park! Aren't these permits being introduced because residents complained they could not get a parking space in their area? Yes? So, residents want some kind of control over parking in their area, to improve their situation, but don't expect to pay the costs for this 'privilege'. No one living in a non resident parking area has the 'guarantee' of a parking space in the area in which they live so why should they pay the costs for others who do have that privilege.
Actually - I don't have a guarantee either! If I'm not parked outside my home, you can park there for 1 hour which in turn stops me parking there! You park there for free, I don't. There is no where else in the area I can park which does not have a restriction or a charge!
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintlygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintlygirl[/bold] wrote: This council is bleeding me dry! My wages haven't gone up in 3 years and in April I'll be paying £30 for my parking permit! Grrrrrrr![/p][/quote]You don't have to purchase a parking permit, they are not compulsory.....[/p][/quote]If I Don't have a permit, I'll get a parking ticket every day! I live in a parking zone area![/p][/quote]Yes but you don't have to have a car or park! Aren't these permits being introduced because residents complained they could not get a parking space in their area? Yes? So, residents want some kind of control over parking in their area, to improve their situation, but don't expect to pay the costs for this 'privilege'. No one living in a non resident parking area has the 'guarantee' of a parking space in the area in which they live so why should they pay the costs for others who do have that privilege.[/p][/quote]Actually - I don't have a guarantee either! If I'm not parked outside my home, you can park there for 1 hour which in turn stops me parking there! You park there for free, I don't. There is no where else in the area I can park which does not have a restriction or a charge! Saintlygirl
  • Score: 0

8:01am Tue 28 Jan 14

Dave of Dibden says...

Labour Rules OK. And sod the rest of you
Labour Rules OK. And sod the rest of you Dave of Dibden
  • Score: -2

8:22am Tue 28 Jan 14

Saintlygirl says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Saintlygirl wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Saintlygirl wrote:
This council is bleeding me dry! My wages haven't gone up in 3 years and in April I'll be paying £30 for my parking permit! Grrrrrrr!
You don't have to purchase a parking permit, they are not compulsory.....
If I Don't have a permit, I'll get a parking ticket every day! I live in a parking zone area!
Yes but you don't have to have a car or park! Aren't these permits being introduced because residents complained they could not get a parking space in their area? Yes? So, residents want some kind of control over parking in their area, to improve their situation, but don't expect to pay the costs for this 'privilege'. No one living in a non resident parking area has the 'guarantee' of a parking space in the area in which they live so why should they pay the costs for others who do have that privilege.
Family life without a car would be unsuitable.Anyway, the issue is not my life with a car; it's about the council cutting services & charging residents more!
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintlygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintlygirl[/bold] wrote: This council is bleeding me dry! My wages haven't gone up in 3 years and in April I'll be paying £30 for my parking permit! Grrrrrrr![/p][/quote]You don't have to purchase a parking permit, they are not compulsory.....[/p][/quote]If I Don't have a permit, I'll get a parking ticket every day! I live in a parking zone area![/p][/quote]Yes but you don't have to have a car or park! Aren't these permits being introduced because residents complained they could not get a parking space in their area? Yes? So, residents want some kind of control over parking in their area, to improve their situation, but don't expect to pay the costs for this 'privilege'. No one living in a non resident parking area has the 'guarantee' of a parking space in the area in which they live so why should they pay the costs for others who do have that privilege.[/p][/quote]Family life without a car would be unsuitable.Anyway, the issue is not my life with a car; it's about the council cutting services & charging residents more! Saintlygirl
  • Score: 0

8:36am Tue 28 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
loosehead wrote:
is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff?
So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it?
No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget.
the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so.
Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it!
Had you down as first likely poster to blame Labour...yawn yawn. if Council tax goes up it will be a much lower increase than most other things you buy. If my food, fuel, insurance and other domestic bills were only going up at that rate, I would be much better off than I am now. Nobody wants to pay more but to whinge about Council Tax increases of 1.9% is unrealistic when it has been frozen for several years despite massive Government funding cuts and many other things have increased way above that level. As for your claim that Council staff are getting an increase, you are talking out of your backside! Many Council employees are earning less now than 5 years ago after Royston Smith cut their wages to make a name for himself. The political gamble failed and he was booted out. The restoration of pay cuts implemented in 2011 will be completed this April after a 2 year staged agreement. Public sector pay has not risen since 2008. Facts! Get yours right if you are going to make a valid point.
so you conveniently didn't read the article where Labour stated the tax would go up by 1.9% to give staff a 1.9% pay rise?
that was in an article by Labour in this paper so not from me but your beloved Labour party.
This council could have frozen council tax with the financial incentive to do so but chose to hit us.
as for council tax being frozen last year? sorry mine went up. my friends went up even more as this council did away with the pensioner discount.
he was a Labour voter but it sounds like he's voting UKIP?
someone on £25,000 doesn't need a pay rise, as for council staff not having a pay rise I think you should check your facts.
Anyone earning under £17,500 would have received a pay rise whilst anyone over that amount a small cut in wages this was to be amended to over £22,000 until Unite back tracked on a deal with the council & Unison.
So come on Maine why did they scrap the deal with the Island which would have saved us millions?
WHY did Williams say all these cuts in jobs & services were going to happen before Labour were elected only to retract it after he had a meeting with the unions?
after all according to Labour they never knew the size of the cuts? or were they lying then?
all parties roughly knew the size of the cuts in government money so again why did Labour restore or according to you start to restore pay when they knew it would cost jobs & services?
there was £3million in the coffers to fight the legal action( had to be by law) which went to restoring pay so if it isn't all restored exactly what will the end figure be? 8-10-20 million?
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff? So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it? No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget. the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so. Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it![/p][/quote]Had you down as first likely poster to blame Labour...yawn yawn. if Council tax goes up it will be a much lower increase than most other things you buy. If my food, fuel, insurance and other domestic bills were only going up at that rate, I would be much better off than I am now. Nobody wants to pay more but to whinge about Council Tax increases of 1.9% is unrealistic when it has been frozen for several years despite massive Government funding cuts and many other things have increased way above that level. As for your claim that Council staff are getting an increase, you are talking out of your backside! Many Council employees are earning less now than 5 years ago after Royston Smith cut their wages to make a name for himself. The political gamble failed and he was booted out. The restoration of pay cuts implemented in 2011 will be completed this April after a 2 year staged agreement. Public sector pay has not risen since 2008. Facts! Get yours right if you are going to make a valid point.[/p][/quote]so you conveniently didn't read the article where Labour stated the tax would go up by 1.9% to give staff a 1.9% pay rise? that was in an article by Labour in this paper so not from me but your beloved Labour party. This council could have frozen council tax with the financial incentive to do so but chose to hit us. as for council tax being frozen last year? sorry mine went up. my friends went up even more as this council did away with the pensioner discount. he was a Labour voter but it sounds like he's voting UKIP? someone on £25,000 doesn't need a pay rise, as for council staff not having a pay rise I think you should check your facts. Anyone earning under £17,500 would have received a pay rise whilst anyone over that amount a small cut in wages this was to be amended to over £22,000 until Unite back tracked on a deal with the council & Unison. So come on Maine why did they scrap the deal with the Island which would have saved us millions? WHY did Williams say all these cuts in jobs & services were going to happen before Labour were elected only to retract it after he had a meeting with the unions? after all according to Labour they never knew the size of the cuts? or were they lying then? all parties roughly knew the size of the cuts in government money so again why did Labour restore or according to you start to restore pay when they knew it would cost jobs & services? there was £3million in the coffers to fight the legal action( had to be by law) which went to restoring pay so if it isn't all restored exactly what will the end figure be? 8-10-20 million? loosehead
  • Score: -4

8:37am Tue 28 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Saintlygirl wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Saintlygirl wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Saintlygirl wrote:
This council is bleeding me dry! My wages haven't gone up in 3 years and in April I'll be paying £30 for my parking permit! Grrrrrrr!
You don't have to purchase a parking permit, they are not compulsory.....
If I Don't have a permit, I'll get a parking ticket every day! I live in a parking zone area!
Yes but you don't have to have a car or park! Aren't these permits being introduced because residents complained they could not get a parking space in their area? Yes? So, residents want some kind of control over parking in their area, to improve their situation, but don't expect to pay the costs for this 'privilege'. No one living in a non resident parking area has the 'guarantee' of a parking space in the area in which they live so why should they pay the costs for others who do have that privilege.
Family life without a car would be unsuitable.Anyway, the issue is not my life with a car; it's about the council cutting services & charging residents more!
the think likealocal lives in Eastleigh so how does she get to Southampton to work? Cycle? car?
[quote][p][bold]Saintlygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintlygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintlygirl[/bold] wrote: This council is bleeding me dry! My wages haven't gone up in 3 years and in April I'll be paying £30 for my parking permit! Grrrrrrr![/p][/quote]You don't have to purchase a parking permit, they are not compulsory.....[/p][/quote]If I Don't have a permit, I'll get a parking ticket every day! I live in a parking zone area![/p][/quote]Yes but you don't have to have a car or park! Aren't these permits being introduced because residents complained they could not get a parking space in their area? Yes? So, residents want some kind of control over parking in their area, to improve their situation, but don't expect to pay the costs for this 'privilege'. No one living in a non resident parking area has the 'guarantee' of a parking space in the area in which they live so why should they pay the costs for others who do have that privilege.[/p][/quote]Family life without a car would be unsuitable.Anyway, the issue is not my life with a car; it's about the council cutting services & charging residents more![/p][/quote]the think likealocal lives in Eastleigh so how does she get to Southampton to work? Cycle? car? loosehead
  • Score: -2

8:58am Tue 28 Jan 14

Linesman says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
loosehead wrote:
is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff?
So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it?
No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget.
the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so.
Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it!
Had you down as first likely poster to blame Labour...yawn yawn. if Council tax goes up it will be a much lower increase than most other things you buy. If my food, fuel, insurance and other domestic bills were only going up at that rate, I would be much better off than I am now. Nobody wants to pay more but to whinge about Council Tax increases of 1.9% is unrealistic when it has been frozen for several years despite massive Government funding cuts and many other things have increased way above that level. As for your claim that Council staff are getting an increase, you are talking out of your backside! Many Council employees are earning less now than 5 years ago after Royston Smith cut their wages to make a name for himself. The political gamble failed and he was booted out. The restoration of pay cuts implemented in 2011 will be completed this April after a 2 year staged agreement. Public sector pay has not risen since 2008. Facts! Get yours right if you are going to make a valid point.
Here here! I too knew who the first poster on here would be spouting ill informed garbage.
I agree with you. Ill informed on a wide range of subjects, and when he gets backed into a corner, resorts to name-calling or producing 'red herrings'!
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff? So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it? No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget. the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so. Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it![/p][/quote]Had you down as first likely poster to blame Labour...yawn yawn. if Council tax goes up it will be a much lower increase than most other things you buy. If my food, fuel, insurance and other domestic bills were only going up at that rate, I would be much better off than I am now. Nobody wants to pay more but to whinge about Council Tax increases of 1.9% is unrealistic when it has been frozen for several years despite massive Government funding cuts and many other things have increased way above that level. As for your claim that Council staff are getting an increase, you are talking out of your backside! Many Council employees are earning less now than 5 years ago after Royston Smith cut their wages to make a name for himself. The political gamble failed and he was booted out. The restoration of pay cuts implemented in 2011 will be completed this April after a 2 year staged agreement. Public sector pay has not risen since 2008. Facts! Get yours right if you are going to make a valid point.[/p][/quote]Here here! I too knew who the first poster on here would be spouting ill informed garbage.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. Ill informed on a wide range of subjects, and when he gets backed into a corner, resorts to name-calling or producing 'red herrings'! Linesman
  • Score: 3

9:04am Tue 28 Jan 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Saintlygirl wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Saintlygirl wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Saintlygirl wrote:
This council is bleeding me dry! My wages haven't gone up in 3 years and in April I'll be paying £30 for my parking permit! Grrrrrrr!
You don't have to purchase a parking permit, they are not compulsory.....
If I Don't have a permit, I'll get a parking ticket every day! I live in a parking zone area!
Yes but you don't have to have a car or park! Aren't these permits being introduced because residents complained they could not get a parking space in their area? Yes? So, residents want some kind of control over parking in their area, to improve their situation, but don't expect to pay the costs for this 'privilege'. No one living in a non resident parking area has the 'guarantee' of a parking space in the area in which they live so why should they pay the costs for others who do have that privilege.
Family life without a car would be unsuitable.Anyway, the issue is not my life with a car; it's about the council cutting services & charging residents more!
the think likealocal lives in Eastleigh so how does she get to Southampton to work? Cycle? car?
Never heard of the term 'Public Transport'?

Of course, since the Tories privatised it, claiming that competition would keep fares down, fares have rocketed.

No longer providing a service for its customers, just providing profits for its shareholders.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintlygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintlygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintlygirl[/bold] wrote: This council is bleeding me dry! My wages haven't gone up in 3 years and in April I'll be paying £30 for my parking permit! Grrrrrrr![/p][/quote]You don't have to purchase a parking permit, they are not compulsory.....[/p][/quote]If I Don't have a permit, I'll get a parking ticket every day! I live in a parking zone area![/p][/quote]Yes but you don't have to have a car or park! Aren't these permits being introduced because residents complained they could not get a parking space in their area? Yes? So, residents want some kind of control over parking in their area, to improve their situation, but don't expect to pay the costs for this 'privilege'. No one living in a non resident parking area has the 'guarantee' of a parking space in the area in which they live so why should they pay the costs for others who do have that privilege.[/p][/quote]Family life without a car would be unsuitable.Anyway, the issue is not my life with a car; it's about the council cutting services & charging residents more![/p][/quote]the think likealocal lives in Eastleigh so how does she get to Southampton to work? Cycle? car?[/p][/quote]Never heard of the term 'Public Transport'? Of course, since the Tories privatised it, claiming that competition would keep fares down, fares have rocketed. No longer providing a service for its customers, just providing profits for its shareholders. Linesman
  • Score: 1

9:04am Tue 28 Jan 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Saintlygirl wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Saintlygirl wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Saintlygirl wrote:
This council is bleeding me dry! My wages haven't gone up in 3 years and in April I'll be paying £30 for my parking permit! Grrrrrrr!
You don't have to purchase a parking permit, they are not compulsory.....
If I Don't have a permit, I'll get a parking ticket every day! I live in a parking zone area!
Yes but you don't have to have a car or park! Aren't these permits being introduced because residents complained they could not get a parking space in their area? Yes? So, residents want some kind of control over parking in their area, to improve their situation, but don't expect to pay the costs for this 'privilege'. No one living in a non resident parking area has the 'guarantee' of a parking space in the area in which they live so why should they pay the costs for others who do have that privilege.
Family life without a car would be unsuitable.Anyway, the issue is not my life with a car; it's about the council cutting services & charging residents more!
the think likealocal lives in Eastleigh so how does she get to Southampton to work? Cycle? car?
Never heard of the term 'Public Transport'?

Of course, since the Tories privatised it, claiming that competition would keep fares down, fares have rocketed.

No longer providing a service for its customers, just providing profits for its shareholders.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintlygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintlygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintlygirl[/bold] wrote: This council is bleeding me dry! My wages haven't gone up in 3 years and in April I'll be paying £30 for my parking permit! Grrrrrrr![/p][/quote]You don't have to purchase a parking permit, they are not compulsory.....[/p][/quote]If I Don't have a permit, I'll get a parking ticket every day! I live in a parking zone area![/p][/quote]Yes but you don't have to have a car or park! Aren't these permits being introduced because residents complained they could not get a parking space in their area? Yes? So, residents want some kind of control over parking in their area, to improve their situation, but don't expect to pay the costs for this 'privilege'. No one living in a non resident parking area has the 'guarantee' of a parking space in the area in which they live so why should they pay the costs for others who do have that privilege.[/p][/quote]Family life without a car would be unsuitable.Anyway, the issue is not my life with a car; it's about the council cutting services & charging residents more![/p][/quote]the think likealocal lives in Eastleigh so how does she get to Southampton to work? Cycle? car?[/p][/quote]Never heard of the term 'Public Transport'? Of course, since the Tories privatised it, claiming that competition would keep fares down, fares have rocketed. No longer providing a service for its customers, just providing profits for its shareholders. Linesman
  • Score: 1

11:19am Tue 28 Jan 14

southy says...

Think about we not had a government local that cared for the people since 1992 and not had a national government for 30 years, We can not trust the Tory's, Labour, Lib/Dems, Ukip, Greens they have all got the same agenda look after the few and not the many.
A government that cares would put the majority of people first but they are not all they are doing is robbing the less well off and giving it to those that don't need it
Think about we not had a government local that cared for the people since 1992 and not had a national government for 30 years, We can not trust the Tory's, Labour, Lib/Dems, Ukip, Greens they have all got the same agenda look after the few and not the many. A government that cares would put the majority of people first but they are not all they are doing is robbing the less well off and giving it to those that don't need it southy
  • Score: -1

11:37am Tue 28 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
loosehead wrote:
is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff?
So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it?
No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget.
the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so.
Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it!
Had you down as first likely poster to blame Labour...yawn yawn. if Council tax goes up it will be a much lower increase than most other things you buy. If my food, fuel, insurance and other domestic bills were only going up at that rate, I would be much better off than I am now. Nobody wants to pay more but to whinge about Council Tax increases of 1.9% is unrealistic when it has been frozen for several years despite massive Government funding cuts and many other things have increased way above that level. As for your claim that Council staff are getting an increase, you are talking out of your backside! Many Council employees are earning less now than 5 years ago after Royston Smith cut their wages to make a name for himself. The political gamble failed and he was booted out. The restoration of pay cuts implemented in 2011 will be completed this April after a 2 year staged agreement. Public sector pay has not risen since 2008. Facts! Get yours right if you are going to make a valid point.
Here here! I too knew who the first poster on here would be spouting ill informed garbage.
I agree with you. Ill informed on a wide range of subjects, and when he gets backed into a corner, resorts to name-calling or producing 'red herrings'!
So here you go again attacking on a post you can't defend your beloved Labour Party .
What's the matter? Why not admit the total lies Labour spun about the Tories & what Labour were going to do if elected?
Once williams told the truth but after the Unions met with the Labour Party suddenly it was the Echo lying?
so exactly how's any of that "red Herrings"?
You bang on about several subjects I prove your wrong or seem to be arguing with me on "Green" wildlife issues so I point out places in this city or on the edge where look!nothing from you yet we're losing wildlife areas or farmland or houses & you can't defend yourself so you come back with Red Herrings?
Seems to me maybe you should forget about posting as your more deluded than Southy.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff? So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it? No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget. the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so. Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it![/p][/quote]Had you down as first likely poster to blame Labour...yawn yawn. if Council tax goes up it will be a much lower increase than most other things you buy. If my food, fuel, insurance and other domestic bills were only going up at that rate, I would be much better off than I am now. Nobody wants to pay more but to whinge about Council Tax increases of 1.9% is unrealistic when it has been frozen for several years despite massive Government funding cuts and many other things have increased way above that level. As for your claim that Council staff are getting an increase, you are talking out of your backside! Many Council employees are earning less now than 5 years ago after Royston Smith cut their wages to make a name for himself. The political gamble failed and he was booted out. The restoration of pay cuts implemented in 2011 will be completed this April after a 2 year staged agreement. Public sector pay has not risen since 2008. Facts! Get yours right if you are going to make a valid point.[/p][/quote]Here here! I too knew who the first poster on here would be spouting ill informed garbage.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. Ill informed on a wide range of subjects, and when he gets backed into a corner, resorts to name-calling or producing 'red herrings'![/p][/quote]So here you go again attacking on a post you can't defend your beloved Labour Party . What's the matter? Why not admit the total lies Labour spun about the Tories & what Labour were going to do if elected? Once williams told the truth but after the Unions met with the Labour Party suddenly it was the Echo lying? so exactly how's any of that "red Herrings"? You bang on about several subjects I prove your wrong or seem to be arguing with me on "Green" wildlife issues so I point out places in this city or on the edge where look!nothing from you yet we're losing wildlife areas or farmland or houses & you can't defend yourself so you come back with Red Herrings? Seems to me maybe you should forget about posting as your more deluded than Southy. loosehead
  • Score: -3

11:47am Tue 28 Jan 14

loosehead says...

when we had a Tory council Royston said with the cuts in pay which start at 2% going up to 5.5% we had certain posters on here complaining about much higher percentages as they were including what they thought was a GOD given right to a 4% yearly pay rise?
he also said cut the wages & after lower tax & NI payments the cut in pay will be minuscule especially for those on the starting amount of £17,500 which went up to £22,000 & would mean only a very small amount of job losses & mostly Temp posts he also recruited more permanent Refuse collectors & that front line services would not be cut.
How many of those who went on strike believing the Unions & labours lies wish they hadn't?
how many of those who've lost their jobs went on strike & now realise how they were used in a political strike?
£3million for legal action used money with which we were in the black used & money saved by renegotiating the contract with Capita used(cutting services) Yet we're told by a poster on here the pay to the workers hasn't yet been restored?
so £14-20million to restore that pay? how much less is the government giving this year? £14million?
So Royston was telling the truth wasn't he? or can't you blinkered Labour supporters admit to what's staring us in the face?
when we had a Tory council Royston said with the cuts in pay which start at 2% going up to 5.5% we had certain posters on here complaining about much higher percentages as they were including what they thought was a GOD given right to a 4% yearly pay rise? he also said cut the wages & after lower tax & NI payments the cut in pay will be minuscule especially for those on the starting amount of £17,500 which went up to £22,000 & would mean only a very small amount of job losses & mostly Temp posts he also recruited more permanent Refuse collectors & that front line services would not be cut. How many of those who went on strike believing the Unions & labours lies wish they hadn't? how many of those who've lost their jobs went on strike & now realise how they were used in a political strike? £3million for legal action used money with which we were in the black used & money saved by renegotiating the contract with Capita used(cutting services) Yet we're told by a poster on here the pay to the workers hasn't yet been restored? so £14-20million to restore that pay? how much less is the government giving this year? £14million? So Royston was telling the truth wasn't he? or can't you blinkered Labour supporters admit to what's staring us in the face? loosehead
  • Score: -1

12:04pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
loosehead wrote:
is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff?
So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it?
No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget.
the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so.
Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it!
Had you down as first likely poster to blame Labour...yawn yawn. if Council tax goes up it will be a much lower increase than most other things you buy. If my food, fuel, insurance and other domestic bills were only going up at that rate, I would be much better off than I am now. Nobody wants to pay more but to whinge about Council Tax increases of 1.9% is unrealistic when it has been frozen for several years despite massive Government funding cuts and many other things have increased way above that level. As for your claim that Council staff are getting an increase, you are talking out of your backside! Many Council employees are earning less now than 5 years ago after Royston Smith cut their wages to make a name for himself. The political gamble failed and he was booted out. The restoration of pay cuts implemented in 2011 will be completed this April after a 2 year staged agreement. Public sector pay has not risen since 2008. Facts! Get yours right if you are going to make a valid point.
Here here! I too knew who the first poster on here would be spouting ill informed garbage.
I agree with you. Ill informed on a wide range of subjects, and when he gets backed into a corner, resorts to name-calling or producing 'red herrings'!
So here you go again attacking on a post you can't defend your beloved Labour Party .
What's the matter? Why not admit the total lies Labour spun about the Tories & what Labour were going to do if elected?
Once williams told the truth but after the Unions met with the Labour Party suddenly it was the Echo lying?
so exactly how's any of that "red Herrings"?
You bang on about several subjects I prove your wrong or seem to be arguing with me on "Green" wildlife issues so I point out places in this city or on the edge where look!nothing from you yet we're losing wildlife areas or farmland or houses & you can't defend yourself so you come back with Red Herrings?
Seems to me maybe you should forget about posting as your more deluded than Southy.
Coming from you, that's a laugh!

For days you have been banging on about an alleged assault on John Prescott by angry seamen, but when I ask you where and when this happened, you can't come up with an answer, despite the assistance that I have given you.

You claimed that he was a top official in the NUS, but I gave you the names of the top people, over a number of years, and his name did not feature.

You have also tried to 'air your knowledge' about Dibden Bay, and appear to think that, because it is not covered in trees, it is not part of The New Forest.

I have asked you to name the name of the constituency in which it is situated, but you dodge the issue.

I asked you to name the MP that represents the area in which it is situated, and once more, that draws a blank.

You have challenged me about the World Financial crisis, appearing to think that Gordon Brown and the Labour Government were 'all powerful' and managed to create it on their own, with the American banking system being as pure as the driven snow.

You also appear to think that Royston Smith built the Maritime Museum at no cost to the Southampton council tax-payers, saying that they sold off assets to pay for it. Somehow, your reasoning things that selling off something that the council tax payers own, means that they lose nothing.

You claim to have been a member of WWF, but appear to not understand the importance placed on SSSIs, Ramsar sites etc.

You are anti-Union, but when asked what benefits workers have achieved thanks to the generosity and care shown by their bosses, you have failed to list any, but the benefits gained by Union action has had many benefits, which you have probably taken for granted.

When your lack of knowledge on a range of subjects is pointed out to you, it invariably results in you 'throwing your toys out of your pram' and a bout of name-calling, or an attempt to divert attention from the topic under discussion by introducing 'red herrings'.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff? So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it? No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget. the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so. Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it![/p][/quote]Had you down as first likely poster to blame Labour...yawn yawn. if Council tax goes up it will be a much lower increase than most other things you buy. If my food, fuel, insurance and other domestic bills were only going up at that rate, I would be much better off than I am now. Nobody wants to pay more but to whinge about Council Tax increases of 1.9% is unrealistic when it has been frozen for several years despite massive Government funding cuts and many other things have increased way above that level. As for your claim that Council staff are getting an increase, you are talking out of your backside! Many Council employees are earning less now than 5 years ago after Royston Smith cut their wages to make a name for himself. The political gamble failed and he was booted out. The restoration of pay cuts implemented in 2011 will be completed this April after a 2 year staged agreement. Public sector pay has not risen since 2008. Facts! Get yours right if you are going to make a valid point.[/p][/quote]Here here! I too knew who the first poster on here would be spouting ill informed garbage.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. Ill informed on a wide range of subjects, and when he gets backed into a corner, resorts to name-calling or producing 'red herrings'![/p][/quote]So here you go again attacking on a post you can't defend your beloved Labour Party . What's the matter? Why not admit the total lies Labour spun about the Tories & what Labour were going to do if elected? Once williams told the truth but after the Unions met with the Labour Party suddenly it was the Echo lying? so exactly how's any of that "red Herrings"? You bang on about several subjects I prove your wrong or seem to be arguing with me on "Green" wildlife issues so I point out places in this city or on the edge where look!nothing from you yet we're losing wildlife areas or farmland or houses & you can't defend yourself so you come back with Red Herrings? Seems to me maybe you should forget about posting as your more deluded than Southy.[/p][/quote]Coming from you, that's a laugh! For days you have been banging on about an alleged assault on John Prescott by angry seamen, but when I ask you where and when this happened, you can't come up with an answer, despite the assistance that I have given you. You claimed that he was a top official in the NUS, but I gave you the names of the top people, over a number of years, and his name did not feature. You have also tried to 'air your knowledge' about Dibden Bay, and appear to think that, because it is not covered in trees, it is not part of The New Forest. I have asked you to name the name of the constituency in which it is situated, but you dodge the issue. I asked you to name the MP that represents the area in which it is situated, and once more, that draws a blank. You have challenged me about the World Financial crisis, appearing to think that Gordon Brown and the Labour Government were 'all powerful' and managed to create it on their own, with the American banking system being as pure as the driven snow. You also appear to think that Royston Smith built the Maritime Museum at no cost to the Southampton council tax-payers, saying that they sold off assets to pay for it. Somehow, your reasoning things that selling off something that the council tax payers own, means that they lose nothing. You claim to have been a member of WWF, but appear to not understand the importance placed on SSSIs, Ramsar sites etc. You are anti-Union, but when asked what benefits workers have achieved thanks to the generosity and care shown by their bosses, you have failed to list any, but the benefits gained by Union action has had many benefits, which you have probably taken for granted. When your lack of knowledge on a range of subjects is pointed out to you, it invariably results in you 'throwing your toys out of your pram' and a bout of name-calling, or an attempt to divert attention from the topic under discussion by introducing 'red herrings'. Linesman
  • Score: 4

12:26pm Tue 28 Jan 14

lisa whitemore says...

They should half the amount of councillors pulling overpaid wages that they dont ever seem to work for! I mean 3 labour councillors to one area is just ridiculous, when do we ever hear from them or see them doing anything??? Oh yes on a sunday when they are all out in force to deliver there flyers that only contain bullsh*t! There are other ways to save money they just havn't got a clue what they are doing or how to run our city!! Even when you do go to them to help on a matter they tell you what they think you need to hear then slam the door in your faces as they think they are so high and mighty looking down there noses to the likes of members of public. I Will Never Ever Vote labour as long as i live and judging by feedback from others nor will alot of people! They are corrupt liars that will do anything to ensure they cover each other's backs but wouldn't do the same for people of southampton, the same people that pay there extortionate wages!!!
They should half the amount of councillors pulling overpaid wages that they dont ever seem to work for! I mean 3 labour councillors to one area is just ridiculous, when do we ever hear from them or see them doing anything??? Oh yes on a sunday when they are all out in force to deliver there flyers that only contain bullsh*t! There are other ways to save money they just havn't got a clue what they are doing or how to run our city!! Even when you do go to them to help on a matter they tell you what they think you need to hear then slam the door in your faces as they think they are so high and mighty looking down there noses to the likes of members of public. I Will Never Ever Vote labour as long as i live and judging by feedback from others nor will alot of people! They are corrupt liars that will do anything to ensure they cover each other's backs but wouldn't do the same for people of southampton, the same people that pay there extortionate wages!!! lisa whitemore
  • Score: -1

12:45pm Tue 28 Jan 14

waltons11 says...

loosehead wrote:
when we had a Tory council Royston said with the cuts in pay which start at 2% going up to 5.5% we had certain posters on here complaining about much higher percentages as they were including what they thought was a GOD given right to a 4% yearly pay rise? he also said cut the wages & after lower tax & NI payments the cut in pay will be minuscule especially for those on the starting amount of £17,500 which went up to £22,000 & would mean only a very small amount of job losses & mostly Temp posts he also recruited more permanent Refuse collectors & that front line services would not be cut. How many of those who went on strike believing the Unions & labours lies wish they hadn't? how many of those who've lost their jobs went on strike & now realise how they were used in a political strike? £3million for legal action used money with which we were in the black used & money saved by renegotiating the contract with Capita used(cutting services) Yet we're told by a poster on here the pay to the workers hasn't yet been restored? so £14-20million to restore that pay? how much less is the government giving this year? £14million? So Royston was telling the truth wasn't he? or can't you blinkered Labour supporters admit to what's staring us in the face?
I have worked for the Council for 20 years and the highest pay rise I ever had was 2%, so I do not know where you get "a GOD given right to 4%!! I did not go on strike and supported the pay cuts to save jobs, but the Council have to agree wtih the Unions and the Union people voted to strike to prevent pay cuts. There were many like me, but we did not get a say as we did not agree with the Union, so there was nothing else we could do really. The cuts were higher than many thought though, as I lost £100 per month but my earnings are less than 25k per year. I still would have been happy with that had it saved jobs, but sadly it did not.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: when we had a Tory council Royston said with the cuts in pay which start at 2% going up to 5.5% we had certain posters on here complaining about much higher percentages as they were including what they thought was a GOD given right to a 4% yearly pay rise? he also said cut the wages & after lower tax & NI payments the cut in pay will be minuscule especially for those on the starting amount of £17,500 which went up to £22,000 & would mean only a very small amount of job losses & mostly Temp posts he also recruited more permanent Refuse collectors & that front line services would not be cut. How many of those who went on strike believing the Unions & labours lies wish they hadn't? how many of those who've lost their jobs went on strike & now realise how they were used in a political strike? £3million for legal action used money with which we were in the black used & money saved by renegotiating the contract with Capita used(cutting services) Yet we're told by a poster on here the pay to the workers hasn't yet been restored? so £14-20million to restore that pay? how much less is the government giving this year? £14million? So Royston was telling the truth wasn't he? or can't you blinkered Labour supporters admit to what's staring us in the face?[/p][/quote]I have worked for the Council for 20 years and the highest pay rise I ever had was 2%, so I do not know where you get "a GOD given right to 4%!! I did not go on strike and supported the pay cuts to save jobs, but the Council have to agree wtih the Unions and the Union people voted to strike to prevent pay cuts. There were many like me, but we did not get a say as we did not agree with the Union, so there was nothing else we could do really. The cuts were higher than many thought though, as I lost £100 per month but my earnings are less than 25k per year. I still would have been happy with that had it saved jobs, but sadly it did not. waltons11
  • Score: 2

12:49pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Think about we not had a government local that cared for the people since 1992 and not had a national government for 30 years, We can not trust the Tory's, Labour, Lib/Dems, Ukip, Greens they have all got the same agenda look after the few and not the many.
A government that cares would put the majority of people first but they are not all they are doing is robbing the less well off and giving it to those that don't need it
100% rhetoric - 0% action.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Think about we not had a government local that cared for the people since 1992 and not had a national government for 30 years, We can not trust the Tory's, Labour, Lib/Dems, Ukip, Greens they have all got the same agenda look after the few and not the many. A government that cares would put the majority of people first but they are not all they are doing is robbing the less well off and giving it to those that don't need it[/p][/quote]100% rhetoric - 0% action. Shoong
  • Score: -2

12:54pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Maine Lobster says...

lisa whitemore wrote:
They should half the amount of councillors pulling overpaid wages that they dont ever seem to work for! I mean 3 labour councillors to one area is just ridiculous, when do we ever hear from them or see them doing anything??? Oh yes on a sunday when they are all out in force to deliver there flyers that only contain bullsh*t! There are other ways to save money they just havn't got a clue what they are doing or how to run our city!! Even when you do go to them to help on a matter they tell you what they think you need to hear then slam the door in your faces as they think they are so high and mighty looking down there noses to the likes of members of public. I Will Never Ever Vote labour as long as i live and judging by feedback from others nor will alot of people! They are corrupt liars that will do anything to ensure they cover each other's backs but wouldn't do the same for people of southampton, the same people that pay there extortionate wages!!!
There are three councillors in every ward and some of them are all Tory! Some people would never want to vote Conservative either. That is why we have a democratic system. If you live in a ward with a party you don't agred with, vote against them! If you want to live in a Tory ward, there are three Tory councillors in Basset.
I tend to agree with you that three per ward is too many. But it suits the two main parties as once they are in power only a third of them come up for election on an annual basis so they maintain power for a longer period. I doubt either the Tories or Labour would commit to fewer ward councillors.
As for your "extortionate wages" comment, if you are referring to councillor allowances, I suggest you lobby your MP or ward party over that.
[quote][p][bold]lisa whitemore[/bold] wrote: They should half the amount of councillors pulling overpaid wages that they dont ever seem to work for! I mean 3 labour councillors to one area is just ridiculous, when do we ever hear from them or see them doing anything??? Oh yes on a sunday when they are all out in force to deliver there flyers that only contain bullsh*t! There are other ways to save money they just havn't got a clue what they are doing or how to run our city!! Even when you do go to them to help on a matter they tell you what they think you need to hear then slam the door in your faces as they think they are so high and mighty looking down there noses to the likes of members of public. I Will Never Ever Vote labour as long as i live and judging by feedback from others nor will alot of people! They are corrupt liars that will do anything to ensure they cover each other's backs but wouldn't do the same for people of southampton, the same people that pay there extortionate wages!!![/p][/quote]There are three councillors in every ward and some of them are all Tory! Some people would never want to vote Conservative either. That is why we have a democratic system. If you live in a ward with a party you don't agred with, vote against them! If you want to live in a Tory ward, there are three Tory councillors in Basset. I tend to agree with you that three per ward is too many. But it suits the two main parties as once they are in power only a third of them come up for election on an annual basis so they maintain power for a longer period. I doubt either the Tories or Labour would commit to fewer ward councillors. As for your "extortionate wages" comment, if you are referring to councillor allowances, I suggest you lobby your MP or ward party over that. Maine Lobster
  • Score: 3

12:57pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Maine Lobster says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
loosehead wrote: is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff? So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it? No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget. the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so. Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it!
Had you down as first likely poster to blame Labour...yawn yawn. if Council tax goes up it will be a much lower increase than most other things you buy. If my food, fuel, insurance and other domestic bills were only going up at that rate, I would be much better off than I am now. Nobody wants to pay more but to whinge about Council Tax increases of 1.9% is unrealistic when it has been frozen for several years despite massive Government funding cuts and many other things have increased way above that level. As for your claim that Council staff are getting an increase, you are talking out of your backside! Many Council employees are earning less now than 5 years ago after Royston Smith cut their wages to make a name for himself. The political gamble failed and he was booted out. The restoration of pay cuts implemented in 2011 will be completed this April after a 2 year staged agreement. Public sector pay has not risen since 2008. Facts! Get yours right if you are going to make a valid point.
Here here! I too knew who the first poster on here would be spouting ill informed garbage.
I agree with you. Ill informed on a wide range of subjects, and when he gets backed into a corner, resorts to name-calling or producing 'red herrings'!
So here you go again attacking on a post you can't defend your beloved Labour Party . What's the matter? Why not admit the total lies Labour spun about the Tories & what Labour were going to do if elected? Once williams told the truth but after the Unions met with the Labour Party suddenly it was the Echo lying? so exactly how's any of that "red Herrings"? You bang on about several subjects I prove your wrong or seem to be arguing with me on "Green" wildlife issues so I point out places in this city or on the edge where look!nothing from you yet we're losing wildlife areas or farmland or houses & you can't defend yourself so you come back with Red Herrings? Seems to me maybe you should forget about posting as your more deluded than Southy.
Coming from you, that's a laugh! For days you have been banging on about an alleged assault on John Prescott by angry seamen, but when I ask you where and when this happened, you can't come up with an answer, despite the assistance that I have given you. You claimed that he was a top official in the NUS, but I gave you the names of the top people, over a number of years, and his name did not feature. You have also tried to 'air your knowledge' about Dibden Bay, and appear to think that, because it is not covered in trees, it is not part of The New Forest. I have asked you to name the name of the constituency in which it is situated, but you dodge the issue. I asked you to name the MP that represents the area in which it is situated, and once more, that draws a blank. You have challenged me about the World Financial crisis, appearing to think that Gordon Brown and the Labour Government were 'all powerful' and managed to create it on their own, with the American banking system being as pure as the driven snow. You also appear to think that Royston Smith built the Maritime Museum at no cost to the Southampton council tax-payers, saying that they sold off assets to pay for it. Somehow, your reasoning things that selling off something that the council tax payers own, means that they lose nothing. You claim to have been a member of WWF, but appear to not understand the importance placed on SSSIs, Ramsar sites etc. You are anti-Union, but when asked what benefits workers have achieved thanks to the generosity and care shown by their bosses, you have failed to list any, but the benefits gained by Union action has had many benefits, which you have probably taken for granted. When your lack of knowledge on a range of subjects is pointed out to you, it invariably results in you 'throwing your toys out of your pram' and a bout of name-calling, or an attempt to divert attention from the topic under discussion by introducing 'red herrings'.
Linesman, like to buy you a pint!!
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff? So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it? No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget. the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so. Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it![/p][/quote]Had you down as first likely poster to blame Labour...yawn yawn. if Council tax goes up it will be a much lower increase than most other things you buy. If my food, fuel, insurance and other domestic bills were only going up at that rate, I would be much better off than I am now. Nobody wants to pay more but to whinge about Council Tax increases of 1.9% is unrealistic when it has been frozen for several years despite massive Government funding cuts and many other things have increased way above that level. As for your claim that Council staff are getting an increase, you are talking out of your backside! Many Council employees are earning less now than 5 years ago after Royston Smith cut their wages to make a name for himself. The political gamble failed and he was booted out. The restoration of pay cuts implemented in 2011 will be completed this April after a 2 year staged agreement. Public sector pay has not risen since 2008. Facts! Get yours right if you are going to make a valid point.[/p][/quote]Here here! I too knew who the first poster on here would be spouting ill informed garbage.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. Ill informed on a wide range of subjects, and when he gets backed into a corner, resorts to name-calling or producing 'red herrings'![/p][/quote]So here you go again attacking on a post you can't defend your beloved Labour Party . What's the matter? Why not admit the total lies Labour spun about the Tories & what Labour were going to do if elected? Once williams told the truth but after the Unions met with the Labour Party suddenly it was the Echo lying? so exactly how's any of that "red Herrings"? You bang on about several subjects I prove your wrong or seem to be arguing with me on "Green" wildlife issues so I point out places in this city or on the edge where look!nothing from you yet we're losing wildlife areas or farmland or houses & you can't defend yourself so you come back with Red Herrings? Seems to me maybe you should forget about posting as your more deluded than Southy.[/p][/quote]Coming from you, that's a laugh! For days you have been banging on about an alleged assault on John Prescott by angry seamen, but when I ask you where and when this happened, you can't come up with an answer, despite the assistance that I have given you. You claimed that he was a top official in the NUS, but I gave you the names of the top people, over a number of years, and his name did not feature. You have also tried to 'air your knowledge' about Dibden Bay, and appear to think that, because it is not covered in trees, it is not part of The New Forest. I have asked you to name the name of the constituency in which it is situated, but you dodge the issue. I asked you to name the MP that represents the area in which it is situated, and once more, that draws a blank. You have challenged me about the World Financial crisis, appearing to think that Gordon Brown and the Labour Government were 'all powerful' and managed to create it on their own, with the American banking system being as pure as the driven snow. You also appear to think that Royston Smith built the Maritime Museum at no cost to the Southampton council tax-payers, saying that they sold off assets to pay for it. Somehow, your reasoning things that selling off something that the council tax payers own, means that they lose nothing. You claim to have been a member of WWF, but appear to not understand the importance placed on SSSIs, Ramsar sites etc. You are anti-Union, but when asked what benefits workers have achieved thanks to the generosity and care shown by their bosses, you have failed to list any, but the benefits gained by Union action has had many benefits, which you have probably taken for granted. When your lack of knowledge on a range of subjects is pointed out to you, it invariably results in you 'throwing your toys out of your pram' and a bout of name-calling, or an attempt to divert attention from the topic under discussion by introducing 'red herrings'.[/p][/quote]Linesman, like to buy you a pint!! Maine Lobster
  • Score: 0

1:00pm Tue 28 Jan 14

southy says...

lisa whitemore wrote:
They should half the amount of councillors pulling overpaid wages that they dont ever seem to work for! I mean 3 labour councillors to one area is just ridiculous, when do we ever hear from them or see them doing anything??? Oh yes on a sunday when they are all out in force to deliver there flyers that only contain bullsh*t! There are other ways to save money they just havn't got a clue what they are doing or how to run our city!! Even when you do go to them to help on a matter they tell you what they think you need to hear then slam the door in your faces as they think they are so high and mighty looking down there noses to the likes of members of public. I Will Never Ever Vote labour as long as i live and judging by feedback from others nor will alot of people! They are corrupt liars that will do anything to ensure they cover each other's backs but wouldn't do the same for people of southampton, the same people that pay there extortionate wages!!!
Lisa Councillors don't get wages, They get a yearly allowance I believe is still £2,000 a year, and this only happen because of Tory Thatcher government when Thatcher said if you want the best then you going to pay for them (before then Councillors only got expenses to cover for phone calls and transport to and from the Civic) , but what did we really get a bunch of professional politicians who are no good for any one but the wealthy, there is corruption in all the right wing party's, but then again that is the nature of capitalism, to steal to corrupt others
[quote][p][bold]lisa whitemore[/bold] wrote: They should half the amount of councillors pulling overpaid wages that they dont ever seem to work for! I mean 3 labour councillors to one area is just ridiculous, when do we ever hear from them or see them doing anything??? Oh yes on a sunday when they are all out in force to deliver there flyers that only contain bullsh*t! There are other ways to save money they just havn't got a clue what they are doing or how to run our city!! Even when you do go to them to help on a matter they tell you what they think you need to hear then slam the door in your faces as they think they are so high and mighty looking down there noses to the likes of members of public. I Will Never Ever Vote labour as long as i live and judging by feedback from others nor will alot of people! They are corrupt liars that will do anything to ensure they cover each other's backs but wouldn't do the same for people of southampton, the same people that pay there extortionate wages!!![/p][/quote]Lisa Councillors don't get wages, They get a yearly allowance I believe is still £2,000 a year, and this only happen because of Tory Thatcher government when Thatcher said if you want the best then you going to pay for them (before then Councillors only got expenses to cover for phone calls and transport to and from the Civic) , but what did we really get a bunch of professional politicians who are no good for any one but the wealthy, there is corruption in all the right wing party's, but then again that is the nature of capitalism, to steal to corrupt others southy
  • Score: 2

2:56pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
loosehead wrote:
is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff?
So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it?
No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget.
the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so.
Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it!
Had you down as first likely poster to blame Labour...yawn yawn. if Council tax goes up it will be a much lower increase than most other things you buy. If my food, fuel, insurance and other domestic bills were only going up at that rate, I would be much better off than I am now. Nobody wants to pay more but to whinge about Council Tax increases of 1.9% is unrealistic when it has been frozen for several years despite massive Government funding cuts and many other things have increased way above that level. As for your claim that Council staff are getting an increase, you are talking out of your backside! Many Council employees are earning less now than 5 years ago after Royston Smith cut their wages to make a name for himself. The political gamble failed and he was booted out. The restoration of pay cuts implemented in 2011 will be completed this April after a 2 year staged agreement. Public sector pay has not risen since 2008. Facts! Get yours right if you are going to make a valid point.
Here here! I too knew who the first poster on here would be spouting ill informed garbage.
I agree with you. Ill informed on a wide range of subjects, and when he gets backed into a corner, resorts to name-calling or producing 'red herrings'!
So here you go again attacking on a post you can't defend your beloved Labour Party .
What's the matter? Why not admit the total lies Labour spun about the Tories & what Labour were going to do if elected?
Once williams told the truth but after the Unions met with the Labour Party suddenly it was the Echo lying?
so exactly how's any of that "red Herrings"?
You bang on about several subjects I prove your wrong or seem to be arguing with me on "Green" wildlife issues so I point out places in this city or on the edge where look!nothing from you yet we're losing wildlife areas or farmland or houses & you can't defend yourself so you come back with Red Herrings?
Seems to me maybe you should forget about posting as your more deluded than Southy.
Coming from you, that's a laugh!

For days you have been banging on about an alleged assault on John Prescott by angry seamen, but when I ask you where and when this happened, you can't come up with an answer, despite the assistance that I have given you.

You claimed that he was a top official in the NUS, but I gave you the names of the top people, over a number of years, and his name did not feature.

You have also tried to 'air your knowledge' about Dibden Bay, and appear to think that, because it is not covered in trees, it is not part of The New Forest.

I have asked you to name the name of the constituency in which it is situated, but you dodge the issue.

I asked you to name the MP that represents the area in which it is situated, and once more, that draws a blank.

You have challenged me about the World Financial crisis, appearing to think that Gordon Brown and the Labour Government were 'all powerful' and managed to create it on their own, with the American banking system being as pure as the driven snow.

You also appear to think that Royston Smith built the Maritime Museum at no cost to the Southampton council tax-payers, saying that they sold off assets to pay for it. Somehow, your reasoning things that selling off something that the council tax payers own, means that they lose nothing.

You claim to have been a member of WWF, but appear to not understand the importance placed on SSSIs, Ramsar sites etc.

You are anti-Union, but when asked what benefits workers have achieved thanks to the generosity and care shown by their bosses, you have failed to list any, but the benefits gained by Union action has had many benefits, which you have probably taken for granted.

When your lack of knowledge on a range of subjects is pointed out to you, it invariably results in you 'throwing your toys out of your pram' and a bout of name-calling, or an attempt to divert attention from the topic under discussion by introducing 'red herrings'.
Great post ........
.
I have given up with this poster a while ago as i feel that i do not posess your patience.
.
I think, that to be very polite, I will suggest that he is a very good "Storyteller" ...
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff? So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it? No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget. the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so. Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it![/p][/quote]Had you down as first likely poster to blame Labour...yawn yawn. if Council tax goes up it will be a much lower increase than most other things you buy. If my food, fuel, insurance and other domestic bills were only going up at that rate, I would be much better off than I am now. Nobody wants to pay more but to whinge about Council Tax increases of 1.9% is unrealistic when it has been frozen for several years despite massive Government funding cuts and many other things have increased way above that level. As for your claim that Council staff are getting an increase, you are talking out of your backside! Many Council employees are earning less now than 5 years ago after Royston Smith cut their wages to make a name for himself. The political gamble failed and he was booted out. The restoration of pay cuts implemented in 2011 will be completed this April after a 2 year staged agreement. Public sector pay has not risen since 2008. Facts! Get yours right if you are going to make a valid point.[/p][/quote]Here here! I too knew who the first poster on here would be spouting ill informed garbage.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. Ill informed on a wide range of subjects, and when he gets backed into a corner, resorts to name-calling or producing 'red herrings'![/p][/quote]So here you go again attacking on a post you can't defend your beloved Labour Party . What's the matter? Why not admit the total lies Labour spun about the Tories & what Labour were going to do if elected? Once williams told the truth but after the Unions met with the Labour Party suddenly it was the Echo lying? so exactly how's any of that "red Herrings"? You bang on about several subjects I prove your wrong or seem to be arguing with me on "Green" wildlife issues so I point out places in this city or on the edge where look!nothing from you yet we're losing wildlife areas or farmland or houses & you can't defend yourself so you come back with Red Herrings? Seems to me maybe you should forget about posting as your more deluded than Southy.[/p][/quote]Coming from you, that's a laugh! For days you have been banging on about an alleged assault on John Prescott by angry seamen, but when I ask you where and when this happened, you can't come up with an answer, despite the assistance that I have given you. You claimed that he was a top official in the NUS, but I gave you the names of the top people, over a number of years, and his name did not feature. You have also tried to 'air your knowledge' about Dibden Bay, and appear to think that, because it is not covered in trees, it is not part of The New Forest. I have asked you to name the name of the constituency in which it is situated, but you dodge the issue. I asked you to name the MP that represents the area in which it is situated, and once more, that draws a blank. You have challenged me about the World Financial crisis, appearing to think that Gordon Brown and the Labour Government were 'all powerful' and managed to create it on their own, with the American banking system being as pure as the driven snow. You also appear to think that Royston Smith built the Maritime Museum at no cost to the Southampton council tax-payers, saying that they sold off assets to pay for it. Somehow, your reasoning things that selling off something that the council tax payers own, means that they lose nothing. You claim to have been a member of WWF, but appear to not understand the importance placed on SSSIs, Ramsar sites etc. You are anti-Union, but when asked what benefits workers have achieved thanks to the generosity and care shown by their bosses, you have failed to list any, but the benefits gained by Union action has had many benefits, which you have probably taken for granted. When your lack of knowledge on a range of subjects is pointed out to you, it invariably results in you 'throwing your toys out of your pram' and a bout of name-calling, or an attempt to divert attention from the topic under discussion by introducing 'red herrings'.[/p][/quote]Great post ........ . I have given up with this poster a while ago as i feel that i do not posess your patience. . I think, that to be very polite, I will suggest that he is a very good "Storyteller" ... Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 2

2:57pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

lisa whitemore wrote:
They should half the amount of councillors pulling overpaid wages that they dont ever seem to work for! I mean 3 labour councillors to one area is just ridiculous, when do we ever hear from them or see them doing anything??? Oh yes on a sunday when they are all out in force to deliver there flyers that only contain bullsh*t! There are other ways to save money they just havn't got a clue what they are doing or how to run our city!! Even when you do go to them to help on a matter they tell you what they think you need to hear then slam the door in your faces as they think they are so high and mighty looking down there noses to the likes of members of public. I Will Never Ever Vote labour as long as i live and judging by feedback from others nor will alot of people! They are corrupt liars that will do anything to ensure they cover each other's backs but wouldn't do the same for people of southampton, the same people that pay there extortionate wages!!!
I am sure that you and UKIP will be well suited
[quote][p][bold]lisa whitemore[/bold] wrote: They should half the amount of councillors pulling overpaid wages that they dont ever seem to work for! I mean 3 labour councillors to one area is just ridiculous, when do we ever hear from them or see them doing anything??? Oh yes on a sunday when they are all out in force to deliver there flyers that only contain bullsh*t! There are other ways to save money they just havn't got a clue what they are doing or how to run our city!! Even when you do go to them to help on a matter they tell you what they think you need to hear then slam the door in your faces as they think they are so high and mighty looking down there noses to the likes of members of public. I Will Never Ever Vote labour as long as i live and judging by feedback from others nor will alot of people! They are corrupt liars that will do anything to ensure they cover each other's backs but wouldn't do the same for people of southampton, the same people that pay there extortionate wages!!![/p][/quote]I am sure that you and UKIP will be well suited Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 1

3:28pm Tue 28 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
loosehead wrote:
is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff?
So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it?
No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget.
the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so.
Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it!
Had you down as first likely poster to blame Labour...yawn yawn. if Council tax goes up it will be a much lower increase than most other things you buy. If my food, fuel, insurance and other domestic bills were only going up at that rate, I would be much better off than I am now. Nobody wants to pay more but to whinge about Council Tax increases of 1.9% is unrealistic when it has been frozen for several years despite massive Government funding cuts and many other things have increased way above that level. As for your claim that Council staff are getting an increase, you are talking out of your backside! Many Council employees are earning less now than 5 years ago after Royston Smith cut their wages to make a name for himself. The political gamble failed and he was booted out. The restoration of pay cuts implemented in 2011 will be completed this April after a 2 year staged agreement. Public sector pay has not risen since 2008. Facts! Get yours right if you are going to make a valid point.
Here here! I too knew who the first poster on here would be spouting ill informed garbage.
I agree with you. Ill informed on a wide range of subjects, and when he gets backed into a corner, resorts to name-calling or producing 'red herrings'!
So here you go again attacking on a post you can't defend your beloved Labour Party .
What's the matter? Why not admit the total lies Labour spun about the Tories & what Labour were going to do if elected?
Once williams told the truth but after the Unions met with the Labour Party suddenly it was the Echo lying?
so exactly how's any of that "red Herrings"?
You bang on about several subjects I prove your wrong or seem to be arguing with me on "Green" wildlife issues so I point out places in this city or on the edge where look!nothing from you yet we're losing wildlife areas or farmland or houses & you can't defend yourself so you come back with Red Herrings?
Seems to me maybe you should forget about posting as your more deluded than Southy.
Coming from you, that's a laugh!

For days you have been banging on about an alleged assault on John Prescott by angry seamen, but when I ask you where and when this happened, you can't come up with an answer, despite the assistance that I have given you.

You claimed that he was a top official in the NUS, but I gave you the names of the top people, over a number of years, and his name did not feature.

You have also tried to 'air your knowledge' about Dibden Bay, and appear to think that, because it is not covered in trees, it is not part of The New Forest.

I have asked you to name the name of the constituency in which it is situated, but you dodge the issue.

I asked you to name the MP that represents the area in which it is situated, and once more, that draws a blank.

You have challenged me about the World Financial crisis, appearing to think that Gordon Brown and the Labour Government were 'all powerful' and managed to create it on their own, with the American banking system being as pure as the driven snow.

You also appear to think that Royston Smith built the Maritime Museum at no cost to the Southampton council tax-payers, saying that they sold off assets to pay for it. Somehow, your reasoning things that selling off something that the council tax payers own, means that they lose nothing.

You claim to have been a member of WWF, but appear to not understand the importance placed on SSSIs, Ramsar sites etc.

You are anti-Union, but when asked what benefits workers have achieved thanks to the generosity and care shown by their bosses, you have failed to list any, but the benefits gained by Union action has had many benefits, which you have probably taken for granted.

When your lack of knowledge on a range of subjects is pointed out to you, it invariably results in you 'throwing your toys out of your pram' and a bout of name-calling, or an attempt to divert attention from the topic under discussion by introducing 'red herrings'.
your becoming a total arsehole. I have said to you that just because an area comes under a ward or a council doesn't make it that area. Lordshill is split between Redbridge ward & Coxford ward does that mean there's no such area as Lordshill?
So just because Dibden comes undr New Forest council are you saying it's in the New forest?
The red herrings you bang on about are examples of areas which have more rights to be called wildlife reserves or farmland but not once have you gone on paper protesting against development on them ,like the wildlife reserve at Lordshill that Labour/Williams was thinking of building flats on which makes you out to be a total hypocrite.
as for Union benefits let me see? getting your workmates to strike because you were suspended for not doing your job but Labour/union work so nearly seeing countless Scots losing their jobs at Grangemouth? Good old unions eh!
Then you say about Prescott well unless I could find a Dock worker still alive I can't prove it but are you telling me Prescott wasn't involved in the loss of British jobs on British registered ships? because if you are your a total idiot.
As for Sea City Museum again you have been proven wrong tiome & again but still bang on about it so let's get it straight if I or say Lisa disagree with you or any pro Labour or union post we're going to get Labours attack dogs on us?
no wonder this site is fastly becoming a one side political point of view site
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff? So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it? No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget. the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so. Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it![/p][/quote]Had you down as first likely poster to blame Labour...yawn yawn. if Council tax goes up it will be a much lower increase than most other things you buy. If my food, fuel, insurance and other domestic bills were only going up at that rate, I would be much better off than I am now. Nobody wants to pay more but to whinge about Council Tax increases of 1.9% is unrealistic when it has been frozen for several years despite massive Government funding cuts and many other things have increased way above that level. As for your claim that Council staff are getting an increase, you are talking out of your backside! Many Council employees are earning less now than 5 years ago after Royston Smith cut their wages to make a name for himself. The political gamble failed and he was booted out. The restoration of pay cuts implemented in 2011 will be completed this April after a 2 year staged agreement. Public sector pay has not risen since 2008. Facts! Get yours right if you are going to make a valid point.[/p][/quote]Here here! I too knew who the first poster on here would be spouting ill informed garbage.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. Ill informed on a wide range of subjects, and when he gets backed into a corner, resorts to name-calling or producing 'red herrings'![/p][/quote]So here you go again attacking on a post you can't defend your beloved Labour Party . What's the matter? Why not admit the total lies Labour spun about the Tories & what Labour were going to do if elected? Once williams told the truth but after the Unions met with the Labour Party suddenly it was the Echo lying? so exactly how's any of that "red Herrings"? You bang on about several subjects I prove your wrong or seem to be arguing with me on "Green" wildlife issues so I point out places in this city or on the edge where look!nothing from you yet we're losing wildlife areas or farmland or houses & you can't defend yourself so you come back with Red Herrings? Seems to me maybe you should forget about posting as your more deluded than Southy.[/p][/quote]Coming from you, that's a laugh! For days you have been banging on about an alleged assault on John Prescott by angry seamen, but when I ask you where and when this happened, you can't come up with an answer, despite the assistance that I have given you. You claimed that he was a top official in the NUS, but I gave you the names of the top people, over a number of years, and his name did not feature. You have also tried to 'air your knowledge' about Dibden Bay, and appear to think that, because it is not covered in trees, it is not part of The New Forest. I have asked you to name the name of the constituency in which it is situated, but you dodge the issue. I asked you to name the MP that represents the area in which it is situated, and once more, that draws a blank. You have challenged me about the World Financial crisis, appearing to think that Gordon Brown and the Labour Government were 'all powerful' and managed to create it on their own, with the American banking system being as pure as the driven snow. You also appear to think that Royston Smith built the Maritime Museum at no cost to the Southampton council tax-payers, saying that they sold off assets to pay for it. Somehow, your reasoning things that selling off something that the council tax payers own, means that they lose nothing. You claim to have been a member of WWF, but appear to not understand the importance placed on SSSIs, Ramsar sites etc. You are anti-Union, but when asked what benefits workers have achieved thanks to the generosity and care shown by their bosses, you have failed to list any, but the benefits gained by Union action has had many benefits, which you have probably taken for granted. When your lack of knowledge on a range of subjects is pointed out to you, it invariably results in you 'throwing your toys out of your pram' and a bout of name-calling, or an attempt to divert attention from the topic under discussion by introducing 'red herrings'.[/p][/quote]your becoming a total arsehole. I have said to you that just because an area comes under a ward or a council doesn't make it that area. Lordshill is split between Redbridge ward & Coxford ward does that mean there's no such area as Lordshill? So just because Dibden comes undr New Forest council are you saying it's in the New forest? The red herrings you bang on about are examples of areas which have more rights to be called wildlife reserves or farmland but not once have you gone on paper protesting against development on them ,like the wildlife reserve at Lordshill that Labour/Williams was thinking of building flats on which makes you out to be a total hypocrite. as for Union benefits let me see? getting your workmates to strike because you were suspended for not doing your job but Labour/union work so nearly seeing countless Scots losing their jobs at Grangemouth? Good old unions eh! Then you say about Prescott well unless I could find a Dock worker still alive I can't prove it but are you telling me Prescott wasn't involved in the loss of British jobs on British registered ships? because if you are your a total idiot. As for Sea City Museum again you have been proven wrong tiome & again but still bang on about it so let's get it straight if I or say Lisa disagree with you or any pro Labour or union post we're going to get Labours attack dogs on us? no wonder this site is fastly becoming a one side political point of view site loosehead
  • Score: -2

3:36pm Tue 28 Jan 14

loosehead says...

waltons11 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
when we had a Tory council Royston said with the cuts in pay which start at 2% going up to 5.5% we had certain posters on here complaining about much higher percentages as they were including what they thought was a GOD given right to a 4% yearly pay rise? he also said cut the wages & after lower tax & NI payments the cut in pay will be minuscule especially for those on the starting amount of £17,500 which went up to £22,000 & would mean only a very small amount of job losses & mostly Temp posts he also recruited more permanent Refuse collectors & that front line services would not be cut. How many of those who went on strike believing the Unions & labours lies wish they hadn't? how many of those who've lost their jobs went on strike & now realise how they were used in a political strike? £3million for legal action used money with which we were in the black used & money saved by renegotiating the contract with Capita used(cutting services) Yet we're told by a poster on here the pay to the workers hasn't yet been restored? so £14-20million to restore that pay? how much less is the government giving this year? £14million? So Royston was telling the truth wasn't he? or can't you blinkered Labour supporters admit to what's staring us in the face?
I have worked for the Council for 20 years and the highest pay rise I ever had was 2%, so I do not know where you get "a GOD given right to 4%!! I did not go on strike and supported the pay cuts to save jobs, but the Council have to agree wtih the Unions and the Union people voted to strike to prevent pay cuts. There were many like me, but we did not get a say as we did not agree with the Union, so there was nothing else we could do really. The cuts were higher than many thought though, as I lost £100 per month but my earnings are less than 25k per year. I still would have been happy with that had it saved jobs, but sadly it did not.
walton unless I go back over the whole period of industrial action & try to find the post I can only tell you a certain poster on here stated you were losing 5.5% then add the yearly pay rise of 4% over 4 years equates to a 13% pay cut to which I had many arguments with this poster if that poster was wrong I'll apologise to you & the other council workers.
Don't you think it was wrong that a minority of workers went on strike putting jobs at risk?
do you think they now regret there actions? Royston as well as myself has been vilified in posts on this website but he said with these pay cuts we needn't make the swinging cuts to jobs & services we would have to make with out these pay cuts so in fact we're safeguarding jobs & services has now been proven right?
[quote][p][bold]waltons11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: when we had a Tory council Royston said with the cuts in pay which start at 2% going up to 5.5% we had certain posters on here complaining about much higher percentages as they were including what they thought was a GOD given right to a 4% yearly pay rise? he also said cut the wages & after lower tax & NI payments the cut in pay will be minuscule especially for those on the starting amount of £17,500 which went up to £22,000 & would mean only a very small amount of job losses & mostly Temp posts he also recruited more permanent Refuse collectors & that front line services would not be cut. How many of those who went on strike believing the Unions & labours lies wish they hadn't? how many of those who've lost their jobs went on strike & now realise how they were used in a political strike? £3million for legal action used money with which we were in the black used & money saved by renegotiating the contract with Capita used(cutting services) Yet we're told by a poster on here the pay to the workers hasn't yet been restored? so £14-20million to restore that pay? how much less is the government giving this year? £14million? So Royston was telling the truth wasn't he? or can't you blinkered Labour supporters admit to what's staring us in the face?[/p][/quote]I have worked for the Council for 20 years and the highest pay rise I ever had was 2%, so I do not know where you get "a GOD given right to 4%!! I did not go on strike and supported the pay cuts to save jobs, but the Council have to agree wtih the Unions and the Union people voted to strike to prevent pay cuts. There were many like me, but we did not get a say as we did not agree with the Union, so there was nothing else we could do really. The cuts were higher than many thought though, as I lost £100 per month but my earnings are less than 25k per year. I still would have been happy with that had it saved jobs, but sadly it did not.[/p][/quote]walton unless I go back over the whole period of industrial action & try to find the post I can only tell you a certain poster on here stated you were losing 5.5% then add the yearly pay rise of 4% over 4 years equates to a 13% pay cut to which I had many arguments with this poster if that poster was wrong I'll apologise to you & the other council workers. Don't you think it was wrong that a minority of workers went on strike putting jobs at risk? do you think they now regret there actions? Royston as well as myself has been vilified in posts on this website but he said with these pay cuts we needn't make the swinging cuts to jobs & services we would have to make with out these pay cuts so in fact we're safeguarding jobs & services has now been proven right? loosehead
  • Score: -1

3:37pm Tue 28 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
loosehead wrote: is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff? So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it? No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget. the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so. Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it!
Had you down as first likely poster to blame Labour...yawn yawn. if Council tax goes up it will be a much lower increase than most other things you buy. If my food, fuel, insurance and other domestic bills were only going up at that rate, I would be much better off than I am now. Nobody wants to pay more but to whinge about Council Tax increases of 1.9% is unrealistic when it has been frozen for several years despite massive Government funding cuts and many other things have increased way above that level. As for your claim that Council staff are getting an increase, you are talking out of your backside! Many Council employees are earning less now than 5 years ago after Royston Smith cut their wages to make a name for himself. The political gamble failed and he was booted out. The restoration of pay cuts implemented in 2011 will be completed this April after a 2 year staged agreement. Public sector pay has not risen since 2008. Facts! Get yours right if you are going to make a valid point.
Here here! I too knew who the first poster on here would be spouting ill informed garbage.
I agree with you. Ill informed on a wide range of subjects, and when he gets backed into a corner, resorts to name-calling or producing 'red herrings'!
So here you go again attacking on a post you can't defend your beloved Labour Party . What's the matter? Why not admit the total lies Labour spun about the Tories & what Labour were going to do if elected? Once williams told the truth but after the Unions met with the Labour Party suddenly it was the Echo lying? so exactly how's any of that "red Herrings"? You bang on about several subjects I prove your wrong or seem to be arguing with me on "Green" wildlife issues so I point out places in this city or on the edge where look!nothing from you yet we're losing wildlife areas or farmland or houses & you can't defend yourself so you come back with Red Herrings? Seems to me maybe you should forget about posting as your more deluded than Southy.
Coming from you, that's a laugh! For days you have been banging on about an alleged assault on John Prescott by angry seamen, but when I ask you where and when this happened, you can't come up with an answer, despite the assistance that I have given you. You claimed that he was a top official in the NUS, but I gave you the names of the top people, over a number of years, and his name did not feature. You have also tried to 'air your knowledge' about Dibden Bay, and appear to think that, because it is not covered in trees, it is not part of The New Forest. I have asked you to name the name of the constituency in which it is situated, but you dodge the issue. I asked you to name the MP that represents the area in which it is situated, and once more, that draws a blank. You have challenged me about the World Financial crisis, appearing to think that Gordon Brown and the Labour Government were 'all powerful' and managed to create it on their own, with the American banking system being as pure as the driven snow. You also appear to think that Royston Smith built the Maritime Museum at no cost to the Southampton council tax-payers, saying that they sold off assets to pay for it. Somehow, your reasoning things that selling off something that the council tax payers own, means that they lose nothing. You claim to have been a member of WWF, but appear to not understand the importance placed on SSSIs, Ramsar sites etc. You are anti-Union, but when asked what benefits workers have achieved thanks to the generosity and care shown by their bosses, you have failed to list any, but the benefits gained by Union action has had many benefits, which you have probably taken for granted. When your lack of knowledge on a range of subjects is pointed out to you, it invariably results in you 'throwing your toys out of your pram' and a bout of name-calling, or an attempt to divert attention from the topic under discussion by introducing 'red herrings'.
Linesman, like to buy you a pint!!
maybe you can help him out of the psych ward?
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff? So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it? No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget. the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so. Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it![/p][/quote]Had you down as first likely poster to blame Labour...yawn yawn. if Council tax goes up it will be a much lower increase than most other things you buy. If my food, fuel, insurance and other domestic bills were only going up at that rate, I would be much better off than I am now. Nobody wants to pay more but to whinge about Council Tax increases of 1.9% is unrealistic when it has been frozen for several years despite massive Government funding cuts and many other things have increased way above that level. As for your claim that Council staff are getting an increase, you are talking out of your backside! Many Council employees are earning less now than 5 years ago after Royston Smith cut their wages to make a name for himself. The political gamble failed and he was booted out. The restoration of pay cuts implemented in 2011 will be completed this April after a 2 year staged agreement. Public sector pay has not risen since 2008. Facts! Get yours right if you are going to make a valid point.[/p][/quote]Here here! I too knew who the first poster on here would be spouting ill informed garbage.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. Ill informed on a wide range of subjects, and when he gets backed into a corner, resorts to name-calling or producing 'red herrings'![/p][/quote]So here you go again attacking on a post you can't defend your beloved Labour Party . What's the matter? Why not admit the total lies Labour spun about the Tories & what Labour were going to do if elected? Once williams told the truth but after the Unions met with the Labour Party suddenly it was the Echo lying? so exactly how's any of that "red Herrings"? You bang on about several subjects I prove your wrong or seem to be arguing with me on "Green" wildlife issues so I point out places in this city or on the edge where look!nothing from you yet we're losing wildlife areas or farmland or houses & you can't defend yourself so you come back with Red Herrings? Seems to me maybe you should forget about posting as your more deluded than Southy.[/p][/quote]Coming from you, that's a laugh! For days you have been banging on about an alleged assault on John Prescott by angry seamen, but when I ask you where and when this happened, you can't come up with an answer, despite the assistance that I have given you. You claimed that he was a top official in the NUS, but I gave you the names of the top people, over a number of years, and his name did not feature. You have also tried to 'air your knowledge' about Dibden Bay, and appear to think that, because it is not covered in trees, it is not part of The New Forest. I have asked you to name the name of the constituency in which it is situated, but you dodge the issue. I asked you to name the MP that represents the area in which it is situated, and once more, that draws a blank. You have challenged me about the World Financial crisis, appearing to think that Gordon Brown and the Labour Government were 'all powerful' and managed to create it on their own, with the American banking system being as pure as the driven snow. You also appear to think that Royston Smith built the Maritime Museum at no cost to the Southampton council tax-payers, saying that they sold off assets to pay for it. Somehow, your reasoning things that selling off something that the council tax payers own, means that they lose nothing. You claim to have been a member of WWF, but appear to not understand the importance placed on SSSIs, Ramsar sites etc. You are anti-Union, but when asked what benefits workers have achieved thanks to the generosity and care shown by their bosses, you have failed to list any, but the benefits gained by Union action has had many benefits, which you have probably taken for granted. When your lack of knowledge on a range of subjects is pointed out to you, it invariably results in you 'throwing your toys out of your pram' and a bout of name-calling, or an attempt to divert attention from the topic under discussion by introducing 'red herrings'.[/p][/quote]Linesman, like to buy you a pint!![/p][/quote]maybe you can help him out of the psych ward? loosehead
  • Score: -2

3:40pm Tue 28 Jan 14

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
lisa whitemore wrote:
They should half the amount of councillors pulling overpaid wages that they dont ever seem to work for! I mean 3 labour councillors to one area is just ridiculous, when do we ever hear from them or see them doing anything??? Oh yes on a sunday when they are all out in force to deliver there flyers that only contain bullsh*t! There are other ways to save money they just havn't got a clue what they are doing or how to run our city!! Even when you do go to them to help on a matter they tell you what they think you need to hear then slam the door in your faces as they think they are so high and mighty looking down there noses to the likes of members of public. I Will Never Ever Vote labour as long as i live and judging by feedback from others nor will alot of people! They are corrupt liars that will do anything to ensure they cover each other's backs but wouldn't do the same for people of southampton, the same people that pay there extortionate wages!!!
Lisa Councillors don't get wages, They get a yearly allowance I believe is still £2,000 a year, and this only happen because of Tory Thatcher government when Thatcher said if you want the best then you going to pay for them (before then Councillors only got expenses to cover for phone calls and transport to and from the Civic) , but what did we really get a bunch of professional politicians who are no good for any one but the wealthy, there is corruption in all the right wing party's, but then again that is the nature of capitalism, to steal to corrupt others
sorry Southy 6 years ago when I was a potential candidate I was informed basic pay for a councillor started at £11,000 a year & the more duties or if you were a cabinet member that money would go up so where's the £2,000 come from?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lisa whitemore[/bold] wrote: They should half the amount of councillors pulling overpaid wages that they dont ever seem to work for! I mean 3 labour councillors to one area is just ridiculous, when do we ever hear from them or see them doing anything??? Oh yes on a sunday when they are all out in force to deliver there flyers that only contain bullsh*t! There are other ways to save money they just havn't got a clue what they are doing or how to run our city!! Even when you do go to them to help on a matter they tell you what they think you need to hear then slam the door in your faces as they think they are so high and mighty looking down there noses to the likes of members of public. I Will Never Ever Vote labour as long as i live and judging by feedback from others nor will alot of people! They are corrupt liars that will do anything to ensure they cover each other's backs but wouldn't do the same for people of southampton, the same people that pay there extortionate wages!!![/p][/quote]Lisa Councillors don't get wages, They get a yearly allowance I believe is still £2,000 a year, and this only happen because of Tory Thatcher government when Thatcher said if you want the best then you going to pay for them (before then Councillors only got expenses to cover for phone calls and transport to and from the Civic) , but what did we really get a bunch of professional politicians who are no good for any one but the wealthy, there is corruption in all the right wing party's, but then again that is the nature of capitalism, to steal to corrupt others[/p][/quote]sorry Southy 6 years ago when I was a potential candidate I was informed basic pay for a councillor started at £11,000 a year & the more duties or if you were a cabinet member that money would go up so where's the £2,000 come from? loosehead
  • Score: -1

3:41pm Tue 28 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
loosehead wrote:
is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff?
So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it?
No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget.
the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so.
Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it!
Had you down as first likely poster to blame Labour...yawn yawn. if Council tax goes up it will be a much lower increase than most other things you buy. If my food, fuel, insurance and other domestic bills were only going up at that rate, I would be much better off than I am now. Nobody wants to pay more but to whinge about Council Tax increases of 1.9% is unrealistic when it has been frozen for several years despite massive Government funding cuts and many other things have increased way above that level. As for your claim that Council staff are getting an increase, you are talking out of your backside! Many Council employees are earning less now than 5 years ago after Royston Smith cut their wages to make a name for himself. The political gamble failed and he was booted out. The restoration of pay cuts implemented in 2011 will be completed this April after a 2 year staged agreement. Public sector pay has not risen since 2008. Facts! Get yours right if you are going to make a valid point.
Here here! I too knew who the first poster on here would be spouting ill informed garbage.
I agree with you. Ill informed on a wide range of subjects, and when he gets backed into a corner, resorts to name-calling or producing 'red herrings'!
So here you go again attacking on a post you can't defend your beloved Labour Party .
What's the matter? Why not admit the total lies Labour spun about the Tories & what Labour were going to do if elected?
Once williams told the truth but after the Unions met with the Labour Party suddenly it was the Echo lying?
so exactly how's any of that "red Herrings"?
You bang on about several subjects I prove your wrong or seem to be arguing with me on "Green" wildlife issues so I point out places in this city or on the edge where look!nothing from you yet we're losing wildlife areas or farmland or houses & you can't defend yourself so you come back with Red Herrings?
Seems to me maybe you should forget about posting as your more deluded than Southy.
Coming from you, that's a laugh!

For days you have been banging on about an alleged assault on John Prescott by angry seamen, but when I ask you where and when this happened, you can't come up with an answer, despite the assistance that I have given you.

You claimed that he was a top official in the NUS, but I gave you the names of the top people, over a number of years, and his name did not feature.

You have also tried to 'air your knowledge' about Dibden Bay, and appear to think that, because it is not covered in trees, it is not part of The New Forest.

I have asked you to name the name of the constituency in which it is situated, but you dodge the issue.

I asked you to name the MP that represents the area in which it is situated, and once more, that draws a blank.

You have challenged me about the World Financial crisis, appearing to think that Gordon Brown and the Labour Government were 'all powerful' and managed to create it on their own, with the American banking system being as pure as the driven snow.

You also appear to think that Royston Smith built the Maritime Museum at no cost to the Southampton council tax-payers, saying that they sold off assets to pay for it. Somehow, your reasoning things that selling off something that the council tax payers own, means that they lose nothing.

You claim to have been a member of WWF, but appear to not understand the importance placed on SSSIs, Ramsar sites etc.

You are anti-Union, but when asked what benefits workers have achieved thanks to the generosity and care shown by their bosses, you have failed to list any, but the benefits gained by Union action has had many benefits, which you have probably taken for granted.

When your lack of knowledge on a range of subjects is pointed out to you, it invariably results in you 'throwing your toys out of your pram' and a bout of name-calling, or an attempt to divert attention from the topic under discussion by introducing 'red herrings'.
As Labour supporters continue to bury their heads in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the total mess that the Labour government made all by themselves with their Spend Spend Spend and Spend some more style of governance! (Funnily enough, many of the Labour MPs have quietly, very quietly, admitted what a mess they made on just about anything you care to name!
CONSUMER BOOM!
PROPERTY BOOM!
CREDIT BOOM!
Illegal War in Iraq!
Education Dumbed Down!
etc etc etc!

Just for the record, when the Global Financial Crisis hit, we had THE LARGEST DEFICIT IN THE WESTERN WORLD!!!!!!!! Labour try and blame the Financial crisis for our predicament when in truth, they caused the UK to go Bust!
i guess you never bothered to read this post did you?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: is this 1.9% increase the pay rise promised to staff? So restore pay knowing there would be less money ends up cutting jobs cutting the hours of one of our tourists attractions I hope those council workers who've kept their jobs think it was worth it? No point putting the blame on the government as Labour knew what was for the future as the government hasn't hid the facts there would be more cuts to the budget. the Tories put into place finances so they could weather the round of cuts coming to the budget & said so. Labour instead of waiting to see what the cuts actually were restored pay to cover the debt they owed to the Unions & their members so only they can be blamed for this & in a time when people are tightening their belts with many not getting a pay rise it's a bit galling the council are charging them more to give council staff a pay rise isn't it![/p][/quote]Had you down as first likely poster to blame Labour...yawn yawn. if Council tax goes up it will be a much lower increase than most other things you buy. If my food, fuel, insurance and other domestic bills were only going up at that rate, I would be much better off than I am now. Nobody wants to pay more but to whinge about Council Tax increases of 1.9% is unrealistic when it has been frozen for several years despite massive Government funding cuts and many other things have increased way above that level. As for your claim that Council staff are getting an increase, you are talking out of your backside! Many Council employees are earning less now than 5 years ago after Royston Smith cut their wages to make a name for himself. The political gamble failed and he was booted out. The restoration of pay cuts implemented in 2011 will be completed this April after a 2 year staged agreement. Public sector pay has not risen since 2008. Facts! Get yours right if you are going to make a valid point.[/p][/quote]Here here! I too knew who the first poster on here would be spouting ill informed garbage.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. Ill informed on a wide range of subjects, and when he gets backed into a corner, resorts to name-calling or producing 'red herrings'![/p][/quote]So here you go again attacking on a post you can't defend your beloved Labour Party . What's the matter? Why not admit the total lies Labour spun about the Tories & what Labour were going to do if elected? Once williams told the truth but after the Unions met with the Labour Party suddenly it was the Echo lying? so exactly how's any of that "red Herrings"? You bang on about several subjects I prove your wrong or seem to be arguing with me on "Green" wildlife issues so I point out places in this city or on the edge where look!nothing from you yet we're losing wildlife areas or farmland or houses & you can't defend yourself so you come back with Red Herrings? Seems to me maybe you should forget about posting as your more deluded than Southy.[/p][/quote]Coming from you, that's a laugh! For days you have been banging on about an alleged assault on John Prescott by angry seamen, but when I ask you where and when this happened, you can't come up with an answer, despite the assistance that I have given you. You claimed that he was a top official in the NUS, but I gave you the names of the top people, over a number of years, and his name did not feature. You have also tried to 'air your knowledge' about Dibden Bay, and appear to think that, because it is not covered in trees, it is not part of The New Forest. I have asked you to name the name of the constituency in which it is situated, but you dodge the issue. I asked you to name the MP that represents the area in which it is situated, and once more, that draws a blank. You have challenged me about the World Financial crisis, appearing to think that Gordon Brown and the Labour Government were 'all powerful' and managed to create it on their own, with the American banking system being as pure as the driven snow. You also appear to think that Royston Smith built the Maritime Museum at no cost to the Southampton council tax-payers, saying that they sold off assets to pay for it. Somehow, your reasoning things that selling off something that the council tax payers own, means that they lose nothing. You claim to have been a member of WWF, but appear to not understand the importance placed on SSSIs, Ramsar sites etc. You are anti-Union, but when asked what benefits workers have achieved thanks to the generosity and care shown by their bosses, you have failed to list any, but the benefits gained by Union action has had many benefits, which you have probably taken for granted. When your lack of knowledge on a range of subjects is pointed out to you, it invariably results in you 'throwing your toys out of your pram' and a bout of name-calling, or an attempt to divert attention from the topic under discussion by introducing 'red herrings'.[/p][/quote]As Labour supporters continue to bury their heads in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the total mess that the Labour government made all by themselves with their Spend Spend Spend and Spend some more style of governance! (Funnily enough, many of the Labour MPs have quietly, very quietly, admitted what a mess they made on just about anything you care to name! CONSUMER BOOM! PROPERTY BOOM! CREDIT BOOM! Illegal War in Iraq! Education Dumbed Down! etc etc etc! Just for the record, when the Global Financial Crisis hit, we had THE LARGEST DEFICIT IN THE WESTERN WORLD!!!!!!!! Labour try and blame the Financial crisis for our predicament when in truth, they caused the UK to go Bust! i guess you never bothered to read this post did you? loosehead
  • Score: -2

3:47pm Tue 28 Jan 14

loosehead says...

lisa whitemore wrote:
They should half the amount of councillors pulling overpaid wages that they dont ever seem to work for! I mean 3 labour councillors to one area is just ridiculous, when do we ever hear from them or see them doing anything??? Oh yes on a sunday when they are all out in force to deliver there flyers that only contain bullsh*t! There are other ways to save money they just havn't got a clue what they are doing or how to run our city!! Even when you do go to them to help on a matter they tell you what they think you need to hear then slam the door in your faces as they think they are so high and mighty looking down there noses to the likes of members of public. I Will Never Ever Vote labour as long as i live and judging by feedback from others nor will alot of people! They are corrupt liars that will do anything to ensure they cover each other's backs but wouldn't do the same for people of southampton, the same people that pay there extortionate wages!!!
lisa my uncle lives in a Labour held ward he has a problem with a empty house next door & rats he got nothing from his councillor or any other Labour councillor Moulton went to see him after I'd e-mailed him & at least he got the environmental officer there.
I looked up & found out the number & office for the Empty homes office & my uncles now left it in their hands.
Lisa just remember what he reason Royston gave for the pay cuts & now look at how he was proven right to take that action?
My wife wants me to quit posting as I'm getting a tad fed up with the lefts vitriol if they won't see the truth but hey I'm still here
[quote][p][bold]lisa whitemore[/bold] wrote: They should half the amount of councillors pulling overpaid wages that they dont ever seem to work for! I mean 3 labour councillors to one area is just ridiculous, when do we ever hear from them or see them doing anything??? Oh yes on a sunday when they are all out in force to deliver there flyers that only contain bullsh*t! There are other ways to save money they just havn't got a clue what they are doing or how to run our city!! Even when you do go to them to help on a matter they tell you what they think you need to hear then slam the door in your faces as they think they are so high and mighty looking down there noses to the likes of members of public. I Will Never Ever Vote labour as long as i live and judging by feedback from others nor will alot of people! They are corrupt liars that will do anything to ensure they cover each other's backs but wouldn't do the same for people of southampton, the same people that pay there extortionate wages!!![/p][/quote]lisa my uncle lives in a Labour held ward he has a problem with a empty house next door & rats he got nothing from his councillor or any other Labour councillor Moulton went to see him after I'd e-mailed him & at least he got the environmental officer there. I looked up & found out the number & office for the Empty homes office & my uncles now left it in their hands. Lisa just remember what he reason Royston gave for the pay cuts & now look at how he was proven right to take that action? My wife wants me to quit posting as I'm getting a tad fed up with the lefts vitriol if they won't see the truth but hey I'm still here loosehead
  • Score: -1

3:49pm Tue 28 Jan 14

loosehead says...

George4th wrote:
As Labour supporters continue to bury their heads in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the total mess that the Labour government made all by themselves with their Spend Spend Spend and Spend some more style of governance! (Funnily enough, many of the Labour MPs have quietly, very quietly, admitted what a mess they made on just about anything you care to name!
CONSUMER BOOM!
PROPERTY BOOM!
CREDIT BOOM!
Illegal War in Iraq!
Education Dumbed Down!
etc etc etc!

Just for the record, when the Global Financial Crisis hit, we had THE LARGEST DEFICIT IN THE WESTERN WORLD!!!!!!!! Labour try and blame the Financial crisis for our predicament when in truth, they caused the UK to go Bust!
i have been saying this for ages & have been basically called a story teller or in other words a liar so thank you for posting these facts!
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: As Labour supporters continue to bury their heads in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the total mess that the Labour government made all by themselves with their Spend Spend Spend and Spend some more style of governance! (Funnily enough, many of the Labour MPs have quietly, very quietly, admitted what a mess they made on just about anything you care to name! CONSUMER BOOM! PROPERTY BOOM! CREDIT BOOM! Illegal War in Iraq! Education Dumbed Down! etc etc etc! Just for the record, when the Global Financial Crisis hit, we had THE LARGEST DEFICIT IN THE WESTERN WORLD!!!!!!!! Labour try and blame the Financial crisis for our predicament when in truth, they caused the UK to go Bust![/p][/quote]i have been saying this for ages & have been basically called a story teller or in other words a liar so thank you for posting these facts! loosehead
  • Score: -1

5:48pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Maine Lobster says...

loosehead wrote:
lisa whitemore wrote:
They should half the amount of councillors pulling overpaid wages that they dont ever seem to work for! I mean 3 labour councillors to one area is just ridiculous, when do we ever hear from them or see them doing anything??? Oh yes on a sunday when they are all out in force to deliver there flyers that only contain bullsh*t! There are other ways to save money they just havn't got a clue what they are doing or how to run our city!! Even when you do go to them to help on a matter they tell you what they think you need to hear then slam the door in your faces as they think they are so high and mighty looking down there noses to the likes of members of public. I Will Never Ever Vote labour as long as i live and judging by feedback from others nor will alot of people! They are corrupt liars that will do anything to ensure they cover each other's backs but wouldn't do the same for people of southampton, the same people that pay there extortionate wages!!!
lisa my uncle lives in a Labour held ward he has a problem with a empty house next door & rats he got nothing from his councillor or any other Labour councillor Moulton went to see him after I'd e-mailed him & at least he got the environmental officer there.
I looked up & found out the number & office for the Empty homes office & my uncles now left it in their hands.
Lisa just remember what he reason Royston gave for the pay cuts & now look at how he was proven right to take that action?
My wife wants me to quit posting as I'm getting a tad fed up with the lefts vitriol if they won't see the truth but hey I'm still here
your wife is giving you sound advice. you have a right to be a Tory and argue your point. people respect that. what is disappointing is that you seem to not accept facts from people who know the real truth. You hate unions but seem to think people have no right to fight for their terms and conditions. Royston Smith's pay cuts were unnecessary, claimed to be about saving jobs but still made people redundant! Fact!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lisa whitemore[/bold] wrote: They should half the amount of councillors pulling overpaid wages that they dont ever seem to work for! I mean 3 labour councillors to one area is just ridiculous, when do we ever hear from them or see them doing anything??? Oh yes on a sunday when they are all out in force to deliver there flyers that only contain bullsh*t! There are other ways to save money they just havn't got a clue what they are doing or how to run our city!! Even when you do go to them to help on a matter they tell you what they think you need to hear then slam the door in your faces as they think they are so high and mighty looking down there noses to the likes of members of public. I Will Never Ever Vote labour as long as i live and judging by feedback from others nor will alot of people! They are corrupt liars that will do anything to ensure they cover each other's backs but wouldn't do the same for people of southampton, the same people that pay there extortionate wages!!![/p][/quote]lisa my uncle lives in a Labour held ward he has a problem with a empty house next door & rats he got nothing from his councillor or any other Labour councillor Moulton went to see him after I'd e-mailed him & at least he got the environmental officer there. I looked up & found out the number & office for the Empty homes office & my uncles now left it in their hands. Lisa just remember what he reason Royston gave for the pay cuts & now look at how he was proven right to take that action? My wife wants me to quit posting as I'm getting a tad fed up with the lefts vitriol if they won't see the truth but hey I'm still here[/p][/quote]your wife is giving you sound advice. you have a right to be a Tory and argue your point. people respect that. what is disappointing is that you seem to not accept facts from people who know the real truth. You hate unions but seem to think people have no right to fight for their terms and conditions. Royston Smith's pay cuts were unnecessary, claimed to be about saving jobs but still made people redundant! Fact! Maine Lobster
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6:08pm Tue 28 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
loosehead wrote:
lisa whitemore wrote:
They should half the amount of councillors pulling overpaid wages that they dont ever seem to work for! I mean 3 labour councillors to one area is just ridiculous, when do we ever hear from them or see them doing anything??? Oh yes on a sunday when they are all out in force to deliver there flyers that only contain bullsh*t! There are other ways to save money they just havn't got a clue what they are doing or how to run our city!! Even when you do go to them to help on a matter they tell you what they think you need to hear then slam the door in your faces as they think they are so high and mighty looking down there noses to the likes of members of public. I Will Never Ever Vote labour as long as i live and judging by feedback from others nor will alot of people! They are corrupt liars that will do anything to ensure they cover each other's backs but wouldn't do the same for people of southampton, the same people that pay there extortionate wages!!!
lisa my uncle lives in a Labour held ward he has a problem with a empty house next door & rats he got nothing from his councillor or any other Labour councillor Moulton went to see him after I'd e-mailed him & at least he got the environmental officer there.
I looked up & found out the number & office for the Empty homes office & my uncles now left it in their hands.
Lisa just remember what he reason Royston gave for the pay cuts & now look at how he was proven right to take that action?
My wife wants me to quit posting as I'm getting a tad fed up with the lefts vitriol if they won't see the truth but hey I'm still here
your wife is giving you sound advice. you have a right to be a Tory and argue your point. people respect that. what is disappointing is that you seem to not accept facts from people who know the real truth. You hate unions but seem to think people have no right to fight for their terms and conditions. Royston Smith's pay cuts were unnecessary, claimed to be about saving jobs but still made people redundant! Fact!
okay that's your point6 of view but answer this how many jobs & services have been cut by this Labour council?
If the Tories are so Anti the workers or Unions why did they cut pay? surely if they were what most of the left on here say they are they would have just slashed the work force?
why did they apply for the grant to save weekly collections & jobs & actually increase the amount of permanent refuse collectors?
I have & so have many others told a poster where the money came from to pay for Sea City Museum & have pointed out Labour think it's a great asset & it's doing well but still he calls it a White Elephant & you want to go for a pint with him?
I have on several occasions apologised if I've got it wrong or said the wrong thing but to keep on saying the wrong thing until it gets to the point it's boring I don't do so sorry my wife is in Thailand at this moment so read it & weep I'm going no where!
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lisa whitemore[/bold] wrote: They should half the amount of councillors pulling overpaid wages that they dont ever seem to work for! I mean 3 labour councillors to one area is just ridiculous, when do we ever hear from them or see them doing anything??? Oh yes on a sunday when they are all out in force to deliver there flyers that only contain bullsh*t! There are other ways to save money they just havn't got a clue what they are doing or how to run our city!! Even when you do go to them to help on a matter they tell you what they think you need to hear then slam the door in your faces as they think they are so high and mighty looking down there noses to the likes of members of public. I Will Never Ever Vote labour as long as i live and judging by feedback from others nor will alot of people! They are corrupt liars that will do anything to ensure they cover each other's backs but wouldn't do the same for people of southampton, the same people that pay there extortionate wages!!![/p][/quote]lisa my uncle lives in a Labour held ward he has a problem with a empty house next door & rats he got nothing from his councillor or any other Labour councillor Moulton went to see him after I'd e-mailed him & at least he got the environmental officer there. I looked up & found out the number & office for the Empty homes office & my uncles now left it in their hands. Lisa just remember what he reason Royston gave for the pay cuts & now look at how he was proven right to take that action? My wife wants me to quit posting as I'm getting a tad fed up with the lefts vitriol if they won't see the truth but hey I'm still here[/p][/quote]your wife is giving you sound advice. you have a right to be a Tory and argue your point. people respect that. what is disappointing is that you seem to not accept facts from people who know the real truth. You hate unions but seem to think people have no right to fight for their terms and conditions. Royston Smith's pay cuts were unnecessary, claimed to be about saving jobs but still made people redundant! Fact![/p][/quote]okay that's your point6 of view but answer this how many jobs & services have been cut by this Labour council? If the Tories are so Anti the workers or Unions why did they cut pay? surely if they were what most of the left on here say they are they would have just slashed the work force? why did they apply for the grant to save weekly collections & jobs & actually increase the amount of permanent refuse collectors? I have & so have many others told a poster where the money came from to pay for Sea City Museum & have pointed out Labour think it's a great asset & it's doing well but still he calls it a White Elephant & you want to go for a pint with him? I have on several occasions apologised if I've got it wrong or said the wrong thing but to keep on saying the wrong thing until it gets to the point it's boring I don't do so sorry my wife is in Thailand at this moment so read it & weep I'm going no where! loosehead
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6:13pm Tue 28 Jan 14

loosehead says...

GDP still in surplus. inflation down reaching the governments targets, unemployment down to pre crash figures,more people(percentage) in work now than at any time since the war!
so what put back into power the party that was already in financial trouble before the banking crisis?
compare the last Labour Governments handling of the economy then compare this Labour councils handling of this cities finances! such an uncanny resemblance isn't there? Labour are no good at finance
GDP still in surplus. inflation down reaching the governments targets, unemployment down to pre crash figures,more people(percentage) in work now than at any time since the war! so what put back into power the party that was already in financial trouble before the banking crisis? compare the last Labour Governments handling of the economy then compare this Labour councils handling of this cities finances! such an uncanny resemblance isn't there? Labour are no good at finance loosehead
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8:13pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Maine Lobster says...

loosehead wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
loosehead wrote:
lisa whitemore wrote:
They should half the amount of councillors pulling overpaid wages that they dont ever seem to work for! I mean 3 labour councillors to one area is just ridiculous, when do we ever hear from them or see them doing anything??? Oh yes on a sunday when they are all out in force to deliver there flyers that only contain bullsh*t! There are other ways to save money they just havn't got a clue what they are doing or how to run our city!! Even when you do go to them to help on a matter they tell you what they think you need to hear then slam the door in your faces as they think they are so high and mighty looking down there noses to the likes of members of public. I Will Never Ever Vote labour as long as i live and judging by feedback from others nor will alot of people! They are corrupt liars that will do anything to ensure they cover each other's backs but wouldn't do the same for people of southampton, the same people that pay there extortionate wages!!!
lisa my uncle lives in a Labour held ward he has a problem with a empty house next door & rats he got nothing from his councillor or any other Labour councillor Moulton went to see him after I'd e-mailed him & at least he got the environmental officer there.
I looked up & found out the number & office for the Empty homes office & my uncles now left it in their hands.
Lisa just remember what he reason Royston gave for the pay cuts & now look at how he was proven right to take that action?
My wife wants me to quit posting as I'm getting a tad fed up with the lefts vitriol if they won't see the truth but hey I'm still here
your wife is giving you sound advice. you have a right to be a Tory and argue your point. people respect that. what is disappointing is that you seem to not accept facts from people who know the real truth. You hate unions but seem to think people have no right to fight for their terms and conditions. Royston Smith's pay cuts were unnecessary, claimed to be about saving jobs but still made people redundant! Fact!
okay that's your point6 of view but answer this how many jobs & services have been cut by this Labour council?
If the Tories are so Anti the workers or Unions why did they cut pay? surely if they were what most of the left on here say they are they would have just slashed the work force?
why did they apply for the grant to save weekly collections & jobs & actually increase the amount of permanent refuse collectors?
I have & so have many others told a poster where the money came from to pay for Sea City Museum & have pointed out Labour think it's a great asset & it's doing well but still he calls it a White Elephant & you want to go for a pint with him?
I have on several occasions apologised if I've got it wrong or said the wrong thing but to keep on saying the wrong thing until it gets to the point it's boring I don't do so sorry my wife is in Thailand at this moment so read it & weep I'm going no where!
You are right, Labour has cut jobs but every Council would have had to with central government funding being cut year on year. Councils get 80% of their funding from central government, the rest is made up from council tax. At the same time as cutting funding, councils are required to do more with less. That will inevitably lead to cuts. I don't think Sea City was needed and would have preferred the money spent elsewhere. Still we have it now. Whether it stands the test of time, we will have to wait and see. I doubt it has been as successful as some will claim.
I am not a blind supporter of any party regardless of what they do. I chose the best of a bad bunch when it comes to putting a cross on a ballot paper.
As for your wife being in Thailand, all I can say is, lucky her!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lisa whitemore[/bold] wrote: They should half the amount of councillors pulling overpaid wages that they dont ever seem to work for! I mean 3 labour councillors to one area is just ridiculous, when do we ever hear from them or see them doing anything??? Oh yes on a sunday when they are all out in force to deliver there flyers that only contain bullsh*t! There are other ways to save money they just havn't got a clue what they are doing or how to run our city!! Even when you do go to them to help on a matter they tell you what they think you need to hear then slam the door in your faces as they think they are so high and mighty looking down there noses to the likes of members of public. I Will Never Ever Vote labour as long as i live and judging by feedback from others nor will alot of people! They are corrupt liars that will do anything to ensure they cover each other's backs but wouldn't do the same for people of southampton, the same people that pay there extortionate wages!!![/p][/quote]lisa my uncle lives in a Labour held ward he has a problem with a empty house next door & rats he got nothing from his councillor or any other Labour councillor Moulton went to see him after I'd e-mailed him & at least he got the environmental officer there. I looked up & found out the number & office for the Empty homes office & my uncles now left it in their hands. Lisa just remember what he reason Royston gave for the pay cuts & now look at how he was proven right to take that action? My wife wants me to quit posting as I'm getting a tad fed up with the lefts vitriol if they won't see the truth but hey I'm still here[/p][/quote]your wife is giving you sound advice. you have a right to be a Tory and argue your point. people respect that. what is disappointing is that you seem to not accept facts from people who know the real truth. You hate unions but seem to think people have no right to fight for their terms and conditions. Royston Smith's pay cuts were unnecessary, claimed to be about saving jobs but still made people redundant! Fact![/p][/quote]okay that's your point6 of view but answer this how many jobs & services have been cut by this Labour council? If the Tories are so Anti the workers or Unions why did they cut pay? surely if they were what most of the left on here say they are they would have just slashed the work force? why did they apply for the grant to save weekly collections & jobs & actually increase the amount of permanent refuse collectors? I have & so have many others told a poster where the money came from to pay for Sea City Museum & have pointed out Labour think it's a great asset & it's doing well but still he calls it a White Elephant & you want to go for a pint with him? I have on several occasions apologised if I've got it wrong or said the wrong thing but to keep on saying the wrong thing until it gets to the point it's boring I don't do so sorry my wife is in Thailand at this moment so read it & weep I'm going no where![/p][/quote]You are right, Labour has cut jobs but every Council would have had to with central government funding being cut year on year. Councils get 80% of their funding from central government, the rest is made up from council tax. At the same time as cutting funding, councils are required to do more with less. That will inevitably lead to cuts. I don't think Sea City was needed and would have preferred the money spent elsewhere. Still we have it now. Whether it stands the test of time, we will have to wait and see. I doubt it has been as successful as some will claim. I am not a blind supporter of any party regardless of what they do. I chose the best of a bad bunch when it comes to putting a cross on a ballot paper. As for your wife being in Thailand, all I can say is, lucky her! Maine Lobster
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9:09pm Tue 28 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
loosehead wrote:
lisa whitemore wrote:
They should half the amount of councillors pulling overpaid wages that they dont ever seem to work for! I mean 3 labour councillors to one area is just ridiculous, when do we ever hear from them or see them doing anything??? Oh yes on a sunday when they are all out in force to deliver there flyers that only contain bullsh*t! There are other ways to save money they just havn't got a clue what they are doing or how to run our city!! Even when you do go to them to help on a matter they tell you what they think you need to hear then slam the door in your faces as they think they are so high and mighty looking down there noses to the likes of members of public. I Will Never Ever Vote labour as long as i live and judging by feedback from others nor will alot of people! They are corrupt liars that will do anything to ensure they cover each other's backs but wouldn't do the same for people of southampton, the same people that pay there extortionate wages!!!
lisa my uncle lives in a Labour held ward he has a problem with a empty house next door & rats he got nothing from his councillor or any other Labour councillor Moulton went to see him after I'd e-mailed him & at least he got the environmental officer there.
I looked up & found out the number & office for the Empty homes office & my uncles now left it in their hands.
Lisa just remember what he reason Royston gave for the pay cuts & now look at how he was proven right to take that action?
My wife wants me to quit posting as I'm getting a tad fed up with the lefts vitriol if they won't see the truth but hey I'm still here
your wife is giving you sound advice. you have a right to be a Tory and argue your point. people respect that. what is disappointing is that you seem to not accept facts from people who know the real truth. You hate unions but seem to think people have no right to fight for their terms and conditions. Royston Smith's pay cuts were unnecessary, claimed to be about saving jobs but still made people redundant! Fact!
okay that's your point6 of view but answer this how many jobs & services have been cut by this Labour council?
If the Tories are so Anti the workers or Unions why did they cut pay? surely if they were what most of the left on here say they are they would have just slashed the work force?
why did they apply for the grant to save weekly collections & jobs & actually increase the amount of permanent refuse collectors?
I have & so have many others told a poster where the money came from to pay for Sea City Museum & have pointed out Labour think it's a great asset & it's doing well but still he calls it a White Elephant & you want to go for a pint with him?
I have on several occasions apologised if I've got it wrong or said the wrong thing but to keep on saying the wrong thing until it gets to the point it's boring I don't do so sorry my wife is in Thailand at this moment so read it & weep I'm going no where!
You are right, Labour has cut jobs but every Council would have had to with central government funding being cut year on year. Councils get 80% of their funding from central government, the rest is made up from council tax. At the same time as cutting funding, councils are required to do more with less. That will inevitably lead to cuts. I don't think Sea City was needed and would have preferred the money spent elsewhere. Still we have it now. Whether it stands the test of time, we will have to wait and see. I doubt it has been as successful as some will claim.
I am not a blind supporter of any party regardless of what they do. I chose the best of a bad bunch when it comes to putting a cross on a ballot paper.
As for your wife being in Thailand, all I can say is, lucky her!
so your not counting all new businesses starting up here pay there rates directly to the council now?
Are you a denier as the others are in Labours part in the bank crash even though the whole of that cabinet plus the priminister Brown admits to their part?
Are you saying the bulk of the debt wasn't already there before the banking crisis?
when the Tories gained control they inherited a £20million cut in government funding from a Labour Government to give more to the North but so many left wing posters seem to forget that but I do remember how none of them were slating the Labour Government for that so why are Labour trying to point the finger elsewhere instead of at themselves.
You might not like me but just remember how Williams ripped into this Echo because he made a statement about job cuts & cuts in services & refuse collections only to retract it & then go out electioneering saying the Tories would do all he had said he would do ?
he said & so did his Labour Party wages could be restored with no cuts in services or Surestart funding plus minimal job cuts & please don't say they didn't have a clue to the size of the cuts in government funding as it was open for them to see & the Tories had budgeted for far greater cuts than this shower are getting
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lisa whitemore[/bold] wrote: They should half the amount of councillors pulling overpaid wages that they dont ever seem to work for! I mean 3 labour councillors to one area is just ridiculous, when do we ever hear from them or see them doing anything??? Oh yes on a sunday when they are all out in force to deliver there flyers that only contain bullsh*t! There are other ways to save money they just havn't got a clue what they are doing or how to run our city!! Even when you do go to them to help on a matter they tell you what they think you need to hear then slam the door in your faces as they think they are so high and mighty looking down there noses to the likes of members of public. I Will Never Ever Vote labour as long as i live and judging by feedback from others nor will alot of people! They are corrupt liars that will do anything to ensure they cover each other's backs but wouldn't do the same for people of southampton, the same people that pay there extortionate wages!!![/p][/quote]lisa my uncle lives in a Labour held ward he has a problem with a empty house next door & rats he got nothing from his councillor or any other Labour councillor Moulton went to see him after I'd e-mailed him & at least he got the environmental officer there. I looked up & found out the number & office for the Empty homes office & my uncles now left it in their hands. Lisa just remember what he reason Royston gave for the pay cuts & now look at how he was proven right to take that action? My wife wants me to quit posting as I'm getting a tad fed up with the lefts vitriol if they won't see the truth but hey I'm still here[/p][/quote]your wife is giving you sound advice. you have a right to be a Tory and argue your point. people respect that. what is disappointing is that you seem to not accept facts from people who know the real truth. You hate unions but seem to think people have no right to fight for their terms and conditions. Royston Smith's pay cuts were unnecessary, claimed to be about saving jobs but still made people redundant! Fact![/p][/quote]okay that's your point6 of view but answer this how many jobs & services have been cut by this Labour council? If the Tories are so Anti the workers or Unions why did they cut pay? surely if they were what most of the left on here say they are they would have just slashed the work force? why did they apply for the grant to save weekly collections & jobs & actually increase the amount of permanent refuse collectors? I have & so have many others told a poster where the money came from to pay for Sea City Museum & have pointed out Labour think it's a great asset & it's doing well but still he calls it a White Elephant & you want to go for a pint with him? I have on several occasions apologised if I've got it wrong or said the wrong thing but to keep on saying the wrong thing until it gets to the point it's boring I don't do so sorry my wife is in Thailand at this moment so read it & weep I'm going no where![/p][/quote]You are right, Labour has cut jobs but every Council would have had to with central government funding being cut year on year. Councils get 80% of their funding from central government, the rest is made up from council tax. At the same time as cutting funding, councils are required to do more with less. That will inevitably lead to cuts. I don't think Sea City was needed and would have preferred the money spent elsewhere. Still we have it now. Whether it stands the test of time, we will have to wait and see. I doubt it has been as successful as some will claim. I am not a blind supporter of any party regardless of what they do. I chose the best of a bad bunch when it comes to putting a cross on a ballot paper. As for your wife being in Thailand, all I can say is, lucky her![/p][/quote]so your not counting all new businesses starting up here pay there rates directly to the council now? Are you a denier as the others are in Labours part in the bank crash even though the whole of that cabinet plus the priminister Brown admits to their part? Are you saying the bulk of the debt wasn't already there before the banking crisis? when the Tories gained control they inherited a £20million cut in government funding from a Labour Government to give more to the North but so many left wing posters seem to forget that but I do remember how none of them were slating the Labour Government for that so why are Labour trying to point the finger elsewhere instead of at themselves. You might not like me but just remember how Williams ripped into this Echo because he made a statement about job cuts & cuts in services & refuse collections only to retract it & then go out electioneering saying the Tories would do all he had said he would do ? he said & so did his Labour Party wages could be restored with no cuts in services or Surestart funding plus minimal job cuts & please don't say they didn't have a clue to the size of the cuts in government funding as it was open for them to see & the Tories had budgeted for far greater cuts than this shower are getting loosehead
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