National Union of Teachers to strike on March 26

Teachers announce plan for new strike

Teachers announce plan for new strike

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Teachers are to stage a fresh national strike in a long-running row over pay, pensions and conditions.

Members of the National Union of Teachers in England and Wales will walk out on March 26 after accusing Education Secretary Michael Gove of ``persistent refusals'' to address their complaints.

The union has held a series of strikes since first balloting its members almost three years ago, but more recently called off industrial action as talks were held.

General secretary Christine Blower said: ``Michael Gove's persistent refusals to address our ongoing dispute over pay, pensions and conditions of service, is unnecessary and deeply damaging.

``As a result, thousands of good, experienced teachers are leaving or considering leaving the job and a teacher shortage crisis is looming with two in five teachers leaving the profession in their first five years.

``The NUT and NASUWT met with government officials in October - now over 17 weeks ago. Reassurances were given that Michael Gove would talk about a wide range of matters on implementation of pay and pensions and the direction of travel and implementation on conditions.

``Subsequently, the Education Secretary has put obstacle after obstacle in the way of talks, showing no serious attempt to resolve - or even to discuss - the matters in dispute.

``We on the other hand have made every effort. We cancelled the strike planned for November and postponed action in February. We have indicated we will meet with Michael Gove anywhere, any time to seek to resolve the disputes in the interest of the education service.

``Strike action is always a last resort for teachers and we deeply regret the fact that we have been put in a position whereby we have no alternative. ''

Ms Blower said responsibility for the dispute lies ``fairly and squarely'' at the door of the ``intransigent'' Education Secretary, adding: ``His policies are losing the coalition parties votes. It is time he changed his attitude and listened to the genuine concerns of teachers.''

Leaders of the NASUWT teachers' union will meet on February 14 to consider calling industrial action.

The union has today written to Mr Gove asking for ''discreet meetings'' to be called to try to end the deadlocked row.

General secretary Chris Keates said: ''The Secretary of State must understand that the teaching profession is on the verge of a crisis. The relentless attack on every aspect of teachers' working lives is taking its toll.

''NASUWT members have been engaged in industrial action since November 2011.

''It was deeply disappointing to teachers that, having agreed in October 2013 to a programme of talks with the NASUWT and NUT, the Secretary of State did not take the opportunity to progress this, despite planned strike action for November 2013 being called off to allow progress to be made.

''The only way to resolve a dispute is for the parties directly involved to sit down to have serious discussions on the issues of concern.''

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10:42am Fri 7 Feb 14

southy says...

National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns.
This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom.
People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority
National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns. This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom. People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority southy
  • Score: -22

10:52am Fri 7 Feb 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns.
This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom.
People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority
Finally given up the prospect of gaining power through election then?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns. This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom. People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority[/p][/quote]Finally given up the prospect of gaining power through election then? Torchie1
  • Score: 11

10:57am Fri 7 Feb 14

hulla baloo says...

Wonder if the parents can send all the teachers a 'fine' for unauthorised absence from the school teaching calendar.
Surely this has to work both ways.
Wonder if the parents can send all the teachers a 'fine' for unauthorised absence from the school teaching calendar. Surely this has to work both ways. hulla baloo
  • Score: 16

11:01am Fri 7 Feb 14

hulla baloo says...

southy wrote:
National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns.
This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom.
People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority
If I recall, the majority of Governments, and political parties have had their moments at being corrupt, It seems the level varies, as does who is caught.
If you are waiting for a corrupt free Government, sorry, but that will never happen,
These teachers, and anybody else that goes on strike should lose their jobs. If they not happy, they know the alternative. Plenty of people looking for a job.
Get to work or get out.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns. This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom. People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority[/p][/quote]If I recall, the majority of Governments, and political parties have had their moments at being corrupt, It seems the level varies, as does who is caught. If you are waiting for a corrupt free Government, sorry, but that will never happen, These teachers, and anybody else that goes on strike should lose their jobs. If they not happy, they know the alternative. Plenty of people looking for a job. Get to work or get out. hulla baloo
  • Score: 6

11:30am Fri 7 Feb 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns.
This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom.
People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority
Finally given up the prospect of gaining power through election then?
Striking is all part of a democratic system.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns. This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom. People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority[/p][/quote]Finally given up the prospect of gaining power through election then?[/p][/quote]Striking is all part of a democratic system. southy
  • Score: -10

11:34am Fri 7 Feb 14

southy says...

hulla baloo wrote:
Wonder if the parents can send all the teachers a 'fine' for unauthorised absence from the school teaching calendar.
Surely this has to work both ways.
It was this government that introduce of fining parents if there kids took school leave not the teachers
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Wonder if the parents can send all the teachers a 'fine' for unauthorised absence from the school teaching calendar. Surely this has to work both ways.[/p][/quote]It was this government that introduce of fining parents if there kids took school leave not the teachers southy
  • Score: -8

11:35am Fri 7 Feb 14

George4th says...

Are these the same teachers who have taught our children so well that we are now way down the Global Education League Tables?!!

If they were paid by results, they wouldn't get paid! (OK, a slight exaggeration but you get my drift)

Teachers are paid, on average, £7,000 to £8,000 more than the average wage. Add to that their super duper benefits package. Add to that they are only contracted for 195 days/1265 hours days = a 32.48 hour week! (That is a short week and leaves them with 66 days off!!!! (Yes, I know they use some for work). Add to that their almost unrivaled Index Linked Pensions!

They are so far ahead of the majority of ordinary people!

(Unions like the NUT are a vehicle for Left Wing Political Ideology and are not for the benefit of the children in this country, or their education)


P.S.
Ask a retired teacher how much they get each year in their Index Linked Pension!
Are these the same teachers who have taught our children so well that we are now way down the Global Education League Tables?!! If they were paid by results, they wouldn't get paid! (OK, a slight exaggeration but you get my drift) Teachers are paid, on average, £7,000 to £8,000 more than the average wage. Add to that their super duper benefits package. Add to that they are only contracted for 195 days/1265 hours days = a 32.48 hour week! (That is a short week and leaves them with 66 days off!!!! (Yes, I know they use some for work). Add to that their almost unrivaled Index Linked Pensions! They are so far ahead of the majority of ordinary people! (Unions like the NUT are a vehicle for Left Wing Political Ideology and are not for the benefit of the children in this country, or their education) P.S. Ask a retired teacher how much they get each year in their Index Linked Pension! George4th
  • Score: 9

11:35am Fri 7 Feb 14

apm1954 says...

doubt very much that we would notice if you were on strike with the amount of time you have off. get on with your job.
doubt very much that we would notice if you were on strike with the amount of time you have off. get on with your job. apm1954
  • Score: 9

11:39am Fri 7 Feb 14

southy says...

hulla baloo wrote:
southy wrote:
National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns.
This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom.
People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority
If I recall, the majority of Governments, and political parties have had their moments at being corrupt, It seems the level varies, as does who is caught.
If you are waiting for a corrupt free Government, sorry, but that will never happen,
These teachers, and anybody else that goes on strike should lose their jobs. If they not happy, they know the alternative. Plenty of people looking for a job.
Get to work or get out.
That,s because the people allowing the Government to get away with being corrupt, they should be uniting together and telling the government that as to stop and even take them out of power at any time, the teachers was waiting for the government to come to the table and talk and sort things out but they never came so that only leaves the teachers the democratic right to strike to force government to the table for talks. So it comes down to government that should be losing there jobs.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns. This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom. People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority[/p][/quote]If I recall, the majority of Governments, and political parties have had their moments at being corrupt, It seems the level varies, as does who is caught. If you are waiting for a corrupt free Government, sorry, but that will never happen, These teachers, and anybody else that goes on strike should lose their jobs. If they not happy, they know the alternative. Plenty of people looking for a job. Get to work or get out.[/p][/quote]That,s because the people allowing the Government to get away with being corrupt, they should be uniting together and telling the government that as to stop and even take them out of power at any time, the teachers was waiting for the government to come to the table and talk and sort things out but they never came so that only leaves the teachers the democratic right to strike to force government to the table for talks. So it comes down to government that should be losing there jobs. southy
  • Score: -10

11:50am Fri 7 Feb 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns.
This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom.
People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority
Finally given up the prospect of gaining power through election then?
Striking is all part of a democratic system.
Please explain your plan to force the government to resign by calling for a general strike and how this fits in to the democratic process where the whole country gets a say instead of only those in militant unions? Your democracy is only for the strikers.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns. This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom. People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority[/p][/quote]Finally given up the prospect of gaining power through election then?[/p][/quote]Striking is all part of a democratic system.[/p][/quote]Please explain your plan to force the government to resign by calling for a general strike and how this fits in to the democratic process where the whole country gets a say instead of only those in militant unions? Your democracy is only for the strikers. Torchie1
  • Score: 9

12:12pm Fri 7 Feb 14

bigfella777 says...

If they re anything like the teachers on bbc 3 program last night they should get a pay cut
If they re anything like the teachers on bbc 3 program last night they should get a pay cut bigfella777
  • Score: 3

12:19pm Fri 7 Feb 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns.
This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom.
People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority
Finally given up the prospect of gaining power through election then?
Striking is all part of a democratic system.
Please explain your plan to force the government to resign by calling for a general strike and how this fits in to the democratic process where the whole country gets a say instead of only those in militant unions? Your democracy is only for the strikers.
They are not Militant Unions they are freedom fighters for the majority of people rights, rights that been hard to gain since the 1700's, Calling them Militant is just right wing false propaganda.
It s a democratic right for the majority of people to force a government out off office at any time, no government should be allowed to remain in office if its doing the people wrong, We had a civil wars in this country to remove a kings from office twice, we should not have to result to another civil war to remove a bad government from office. And forcing a Government out off office gives the people the democratic right to elect a new government or return the same government back in office now that is real democratic for all.
But then you know you would lose this far right wing Tory government and Labour would be in, and that don't suit you do it Torchie even low your not in this country you know that this government will be out at the next election and Labour will be in with a landslide victory.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns. This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom. People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority[/p][/quote]Finally given up the prospect of gaining power through election then?[/p][/quote]Striking is all part of a democratic system.[/p][/quote]Please explain your plan to force the government to resign by calling for a general strike and how this fits in to the democratic process where the whole country gets a say instead of only those in militant unions? Your democracy is only for the strikers.[/p][/quote]They are not Militant Unions they are freedom fighters for the majority of people rights, rights that been hard to gain since the 1700's, Calling them Militant is just right wing false propaganda. It s a democratic right for the majority of people to force a government out off office at any time, no government should be allowed to remain in office if its doing the people wrong, We had a civil wars in this country to remove a kings from office twice, we should not have to result to another civil war to remove a bad government from office. And forcing a Government out off office gives the people the democratic right to elect a new government or return the same government back in office now that is real democratic for all. But then you know you would lose this far right wing Tory government and Labour would be in, and that don't suit you do it Torchie even low your not in this country you know that this government will be out at the next election and Labour will be in with a landslide victory. southy
  • Score: -7

12:21pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Shoong says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns.
This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom.
People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority
Finally given up the prospect of gaining power through election then?
Striking is all part of a democratic system.
Please explain your plan to force the government to resign by calling for a general strike and how this fits in to the democratic process where the whole country gets a say instead of only those in militant unions? Your democracy is only for the strikers.
Still struggling with the whole idea of democracy then?

Your version of it is twisted to suit a political agenda.

Now go and get a job. That way you might seem even a little more credible when it comes to calling for others to strike and booting out governments.

That opportunity comes every four years.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns. This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom. People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority[/p][/quote]Finally given up the prospect of gaining power through election then?[/p][/quote]Striking is all part of a democratic system.[/p][/quote]Please explain your plan to force the government to resign by calling for a general strike and how this fits in to the democratic process where the whole country gets a say instead of only those in militant unions? Your democracy is only for the strikers.[/p][/quote]Still struggling with the whole idea of democracy then? Your version of it is twisted to suit a political agenda. Now go and get a job. That way you might seem even a little more credible when it comes to calling for others to strike and booting out governments. That opportunity comes every four years. Shoong
  • Score: 5

12:31pm Fri 7 Feb 14

loosehead says...

They have a well paid job & for most of them it's in the dry now they also have a good pension compared to the thousands out there & definitely better than those who's pension funds got clobbered under the last government so I know leave them alone but do a Brown & rob their pension funds so like the thousands they end up with less in there than they've paid in!
they say they're doing it for the children? I remember when I was at Bellemoor seeing teachers driving around in brand new cars yet they went on strike for more pay? so they really care for the children don't they?
It's an absolute nonsense saying this will lead to a shortage of teachers?
it won't but hey maybe if we weed out those who pertain to be teachers but can't teach to save their lives maybe we will have a shortage?
Get back to work & think how lucky you are!
They have a well paid job & for most of them it's in the dry now they also have a good pension compared to the thousands out there & definitely better than those who's pension funds got clobbered under the last government so I know leave them alone but do a Brown & rob their pension funds so like the thousands they end up with less in there than they've paid in! they say they're doing it for the children? I remember when I was at Bellemoor seeing teachers driving around in brand new cars yet they went on strike for more pay? so they really care for the children don't they? It's an absolute nonsense saying this will lead to a shortage of teachers? it won't but hey maybe if we weed out those who pertain to be teachers but can't teach to save their lives maybe we will have a shortage? Get back to work & think how lucky you are! loosehead
  • Score: 5

1:14pm Fri 7 Feb 14

St. Teach says...

hulla baloo wrote:
Wonder if the parents can send all the teachers a 'fine' for unauthorised absence from the school teaching calendar.
Surely this has to work both ways.
Oh, so you think teachers get paid when on strike?

Back to school for you, I think.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Wonder if the parents can send all the teachers a 'fine' for unauthorised absence from the school teaching calendar. Surely this has to work both ways.[/p][/quote]Oh, so you think teachers get paid when on strike? Back to school for you, I think. St. Teach
  • Score: -4

1:42pm Fri 7 Feb 14

From the sidelines says...

southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Wonder if the parents can send all the teachers a 'fine' for unauthorised absence from the school teaching calendar.
Surely this has to work both ways.
It was this government that introduce of fining parents if there kids took school leave not the teachers
"Their".

Southy should have spent a little more time at school.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Wonder if the parents can send all the teachers a 'fine' for unauthorised absence from the school teaching calendar. Surely this has to work both ways.[/p][/quote]It was this government that introduce of fining parents if there kids took school leave not the teachers[/p][/quote]"Their". Southy should have spent a little more time at school. From the sidelines
  • Score: 9

1:45pm Fri 7 Feb 14

From the sidelines says...

St. Teach wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Wonder if the parents can send all the teachers a 'fine' for unauthorised absence from the school teaching calendar.
Surely this has to work both ways.
Oh, so you think teachers get paid when on strike?

Back to school for you, I think.
Irrelevant.

They are disrupting the children's education. They should be punished.
[quote][p][bold]St. Teach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Wonder if the parents can send all the teachers a 'fine' for unauthorised absence from the school teaching calendar. Surely this has to work both ways.[/p][/quote]Oh, so you think teachers get paid when on strike? Back to school for you, I think.[/p][/quote]Irrelevant. They are disrupting the children's education. They should be punished. From the sidelines
  • Score: 0

2:09pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

A general strike would adversely affect all of us and would only be advocated by a Terribly Unsocial Stupid Chav (had a problem choosing the last word there). As every PM since Churchill has been worse than the one before with C'moron being even worse than Brown the only way we could possibly continue this tradition would be for us all to vote TUSC. Fortunately this will not happen and if we go for UKIP that tradition will finally be reversed.
A general strike would adversely affect all of us and would only be advocated by a Terribly Unsocial Stupid Chav (had a problem choosing the last word there). As every PM since Churchill has been worse than the one before with C'moron being even worse than Brown the only way we could possibly continue this tradition would be for us all to vote TUSC. Fortunately this will not happen and if we go for UKIP that tradition will finally be reversed. Inform Al
  • Score: 2

2:20pm Fri 7 Feb 14

southy says...

Inform Al wrote:
A general strike would adversely affect all of us and would only be advocated by a Terribly Unsocial Stupid Chav (had a problem choosing the last word there). As every PM since Churchill has been worse than the one before with C'moron being even worse than Brown the only way we could possibly continue this tradition would be for us all to vote TUSC. Fortunately this will not happen and if we go for UKIP that tradition will finally be reversed.
UKIP and vote for a party that is even more right wing, its bad enough now it will only get worse the more right wing you go, We need to pull Politics and Economy policy to the left, its only left wing that is best suited for the majority
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: A general strike would adversely affect all of us and would only be advocated by a Terribly Unsocial Stupid Chav (had a problem choosing the last word there). As every PM since Churchill has been worse than the one before with C'moron being even worse than Brown the only way we could possibly continue this tradition would be for us all to vote TUSC. Fortunately this will not happen and if we go for UKIP that tradition will finally be reversed.[/p][/quote]UKIP and vote for a party that is even more right wing, its bad enough now it will only get worse the more right wing you go, We need to pull Politics and Economy policy to the left, its only left wing that is best suited for the majority southy
  • Score: -11

2:23pm Fri 7 Feb 14

southy says...

From the sidelines wrote:
St. Teach wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Wonder if the parents can send all the teachers a 'fine' for unauthorised absence from the school teaching calendar.
Surely this has to work both ways.
Oh, so you think teachers get paid when on strike?

Back to school for you, I think.
Irrelevant.

They are disrupting the children's education. They should be punished.
and what would be worse Teachers leaving there jobs and working in some thing else, your going to end up with kids at home all day because there would be no one to teach them
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St. Teach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Wonder if the parents can send all the teachers a 'fine' for unauthorised absence from the school teaching calendar. Surely this has to work both ways.[/p][/quote]Oh, so you think teachers get paid when on strike? Back to school for you, I think.[/p][/quote]Irrelevant. They are disrupting the children's education. They should be punished.[/p][/quote]and what would be worse Teachers leaving there jobs and working in some thing else, your going to end up with kids at home all day because there would be no one to teach them southy
  • Score: -8

2:38pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
A general strike would adversely affect all of us and would only be advocated by a Terribly Unsocial Stupid Chav (had a problem choosing the last word there). As every PM since Churchill has been worse than the one before with C'moron being even worse than Brown the only way we could possibly continue this tradition would be for us all to vote TUSC. Fortunately this will not happen and if we go for UKIP that tradition will finally be reversed.
UKIP and vote for a party that is even more right wing, its bad enough now it will only get worse the more right wing you go, We need to pull Politics and Economy policy to the left, its only left wing that is best suited for the majority
right wing this, right wing that, yawn.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: A general strike would adversely affect all of us and would only be advocated by a Terribly Unsocial Stupid Chav (had a problem choosing the last word there). As every PM since Churchill has been worse than the one before with C'moron being even worse than Brown the only way we could possibly continue this tradition would be for us all to vote TUSC. Fortunately this will not happen and if we go for UKIP that tradition will finally be reversed.[/p][/quote]UKIP and vote for a party that is even more right wing, its bad enough now it will only get worse the more right wing you go, We need to pull Politics and Economy policy to the left, its only left wing that is best suited for the majority[/p][/quote]right wing this, right wing that, yawn. Shoong
  • Score: 6

2:40pm Fri 7 Feb 14

hulla baloo says...

St. Teach wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Wonder if the parents can send all the teachers a 'fine' for unauthorised absence from the school teaching calendar.
Surely this has to work both ways.
Oh, so you think teachers get paid when on strike?

Back to school for you, I think.
Where did I suggest the teachers should be paid?
In another post I put here, I suggested they should get the sack, or resign if they dont want the job.
If I recall, you never see them staging a protest in their own time.
[quote][p][bold]St. Teach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Wonder if the parents can send all the teachers a 'fine' for unauthorised absence from the school teaching calendar. Surely this has to work both ways.[/p][/quote]Oh, so you think teachers get paid when on strike? Back to school for you, I think.[/p][/quote]Where did I suggest the teachers should be paid? In another post I put here, I suggested they should get the sack, or resign if they dont want the job. If I recall, you never see them staging a protest in their own time. hulla baloo
  • Score: 5

3:09pm Fri 7 Feb 14

St. Teach says...

hulla baloo wrote:
St. Teach wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Wonder if the parents can send all the teachers a 'fine' for unauthorised absence from the school teaching calendar.
Surely this has to work both ways.
Oh, so you think teachers get paid when on strike?

Back to school for you, I think.
Where did I suggest the teachers should be paid?
In another post I put here, I suggested they should get the sack, or resign if they dont want the job.
If I recall, you never see them staging a protest in their own time.
You actually said that fining has to "work both ways". Parents are fined for taking their kids out of school. They do this because it saves them money to go on holiday during the term - rather than the holidays. This damages their children's education far more than a single day off. However, I agree. Teachers should have some financial loss for their strike action. How about £80-£100?

Oh. They are all going to be giving up that much money? Oh.

But wait, at least teachers can take a week off during term to get these cheap holidays that it is so vital everyone else gets without a fine!

Oh. They can't? Oh.

Also, someone on here suggested teachers get paid above the national average. I think you've been playing the statistics game. Pay for teachers is very much inline with national figures for pay for graduates. Teachers are graduates, aren't they?

The average male teacher who works full time to retirement lives, at present, an average of 18 months before he dies. With the new retirement ages, I don't think teachers will be costing the government an awful lot in pension money. So, Mr Hulla Baloo, I wouldn't get too upset about teachers taking another vile day off.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St. Teach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Wonder if the parents can send all the teachers a 'fine' for unauthorised absence from the school teaching calendar. Surely this has to work both ways.[/p][/quote]Oh, so you think teachers get paid when on strike? Back to school for you, I think.[/p][/quote]Where did I suggest the teachers should be paid? In another post I put here, I suggested they should get the sack, or resign if they dont want the job. If I recall, you never see them staging a protest in their own time.[/p][/quote]You actually said that fining has to "work both ways". Parents are fined for taking their kids out of school. They do this because it saves them money to go on holiday during the term - rather than the holidays. This damages their children's education far more than a single day off. However, I agree. Teachers should have some financial loss for their strike action. How about £80-£100? Oh. They are all going to be giving up that much money? Oh. But wait, at least teachers can take a week off during term to get these cheap holidays that it is so vital everyone else gets without a fine! Oh. They can't? Oh. Also, someone on here suggested teachers get paid above the national average. I think you've been playing the statistics game. Pay for teachers is very much inline with national figures for pay for graduates. Teachers are graduates, aren't they? The average male teacher who works full time to retirement lives, at present, an average of 18 months before he dies. With the new retirement ages, I don't think teachers will be costing the government an awful lot in pension money. So, Mr Hulla Baloo, I wouldn't get too upset about teachers taking another vile day off. St. Teach
  • Score: -9

3:18pm Fri 7 Feb 14

hulla baloo says...

I was pointing out the hypocrisy of the teachers that are prepared to fine a parent for their kids non attendance, then take yet another day to suit their own needs.
Why can't they protest in their own time without disrupting the kids education?
Also, further disruption and expense for the working parents to find child care, or take time from their own job.
I was pointing out the hypocrisy of the teachers that are prepared to fine a parent for their kids non attendance, then take yet another day to suit their own needs. Why can't they protest in their own time without disrupting the kids education? Also, further disruption and expense for the working parents to find child care, or take time from their own job. hulla baloo
  • Score: 2

3:19pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

southy wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
A general strike would adversely affect all of us and would only be advocated by a Terribly Unsocial Stupid Chav (had a problem choosing the last word there). As every PM since Churchill has been worse than the one before with C'moron being even worse than Brown the only way we could possibly continue this tradition would be for us all to vote TUSC. Fortunately this will not happen and if we go for UKIP that tradition will finally be reversed.
UKIP and vote for a party that is even more right wing, its bad enough now it will only get worse the more right wing you go, We need to pull Politics and Economy policy to the left, its only left wing that is best suited for the majority
Those of us living on planet Earth know that the party that wants to give the people what they want is definitely not right wing, only those suckered up by extreme left wing liars will fall for this one.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: A general strike would adversely affect all of us and would only be advocated by a Terribly Unsocial Stupid Chav (had a problem choosing the last word there). As every PM since Churchill has been worse than the one before with C'moron being even worse than Brown the only way we could possibly continue this tradition would be for us all to vote TUSC. Fortunately this will not happen and if we go for UKIP that tradition will finally be reversed.[/p][/quote]UKIP and vote for a party that is even more right wing, its bad enough now it will only get worse the more right wing you go, We need to pull Politics and Economy policy to the left, its only left wing that is best suited for the majority[/p][/quote]Those of us living on planet Earth know that the party that wants to give the people what they want is definitely not right wing, only those suckered up by extreme left wing liars will fall for this one. Inform Al
  • Score: 5

3:36pm Fri 7 Feb 14

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
A general strike would adversely affect all of us and would only be advocated by a Terribly Unsocial Stupid Chav (had a problem choosing the last word there). As every PM since Churchill has been worse than the one before with C'moron being even worse than Brown the only way we could possibly continue this tradition would be for us all to vote TUSC. Fortunately this will not happen and if we go for UKIP that tradition will finally be reversed.
UKIP and vote for a party that is even more right wing, its bad enough now it will only get worse the more right wing you go, We need to pull Politics and Economy policy to the left, its only left wing that is best suited for the majority
Southy we have a society where every one thinks they're owed a living this was a society built by Socialists & is the reason why we have our own people refusing to take a job because it's hard work & only a bit more pay than Welfare so your Socialist/Left wing politics have now been proven not to work
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: A general strike would adversely affect all of us and would only be advocated by a Terribly Unsocial Stupid Chav (had a problem choosing the last word there). As every PM since Churchill has been worse than the one before with C'moron being even worse than Brown the only way we could possibly continue this tradition would be for us all to vote TUSC. Fortunately this will not happen and if we go for UKIP that tradition will finally be reversed.[/p][/quote]UKIP and vote for a party that is even more right wing, its bad enough now it will only get worse the more right wing you go, We need to pull Politics and Economy policy to the left, its only left wing that is best suited for the majority[/p][/quote]Southy we have a society where every one thinks they're owed a living this was a society built by Socialists & is the reason why we have our own people refusing to take a job because it's hard work & only a bit more pay than Welfare so your Socialist/Left wing politics have now been proven not to work loosehead
  • Score: 9

3:41pm Fri 7 Feb 14

loosehead says...

St. Teach wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
St. Teach wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Wonder if the parents can send all the teachers a 'fine' for unauthorised absence from the school teaching calendar.
Surely this has to work both ways.
Oh, so you think teachers get paid when on strike?

Back to school for you, I think.
Where did I suggest the teachers should be paid?
In another post I put here, I suggested they should get the sack, or resign if they dont want the job.
If I recall, you never see them staging a protest in their own time.
You actually said that fining has to "work both ways". Parents are fined for taking their kids out of school. They do this because it saves them money to go on holiday during the term - rather than the holidays. This damages their children's education far more than a single day off. However, I agree. Teachers should have some financial loss for their strike action. How about £80-£100?

Oh. They are all going to be giving up that much money? Oh.

But wait, at least teachers can take a week off during term to get these cheap holidays that it is so vital everyone else gets without a fine!

Oh. They can't? Oh.

Also, someone on here suggested teachers get paid above the national average. I think you've been playing the statistics game. Pay for teachers is very much inline with national figures for pay for graduates. Teachers are graduates, aren't they?

The average male teacher who works full time to retirement lives, at present, an average of 18 months before he dies. With the new retirement ages, I don't think teachers will be costing the government an awful lot in pension money. So, Mr Hulla Baloo, I wouldn't get too upset about teachers taking another vile day off.
so sorry for them. most don't do manual work are indoors have a good pay structure ,holidays & pension many others who will have to retire at the same time as teachers have worked in repetitive factory work,Labouring,Brick
laying ,refuse collecting & many other jobs that are a lot more manual than the teachers so I really feel sorry for the teachersNOT.
[quote][p][bold]St. Teach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St. Teach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Wonder if the parents can send all the teachers a 'fine' for unauthorised absence from the school teaching calendar. Surely this has to work both ways.[/p][/quote]Oh, so you think teachers get paid when on strike? Back to school for you, I think.[/p][/quote]Where did I suggest the teachers should be paid? In another post I put here, I suggested they should get the sack, or resign if they dont want the job. If I recall, you never see them staging a protest in their own time.[/p][/quote]You actually said that fining has to "work both ways". Parents are fined for taking their kids out of school. They do this because it saves them money to go on holiday during the term - rather than the holidays. This damages their children's education far more than a single day off. However, I agree. Teachers should have some financial loss for their strike action. How about £80-£100? Oh. They are all going to be giving up that much money? Oh. But wait, at least teachers can take a week off during term to get these cheap holidays that it is so vital everyone else gets without a fine! Oh. They can't? Oh. Also, someone on here suggested teachers get paid above the national average. I think you've been playing the statistics game. Pay for teachers is very much inline with national figures for pay for graduates. Teachers are graduates, aren't they? The average male teacher who works full time to retirement lives, at present, an average of 18 months before he dies. With the new retirement ages, I don't think teachers will be costing the government an awful lot in pension money. So, Mr Hulla Baloo, I wouldn't get too upset about teachers taking another vile day off.[/p][/quote]so sorry for them. most don't do manual work are indoors have a good pay structure ,holidays & pension many others who will have to retire at the same time as teachers have worked in repetitive factory work,Labouring,Brick laying ,refuse collecting & many other jobs that are a lot more manual than the teachers so I really feel sorry for the teachersNOT. loosehead
  • Score: 5

4:53pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Mary80 says...

Everyone is suffering vast cuts i think some people need to realise they aren't the only ones who are suffering
Everyone is suffering vast cuts i think some people need to realise they aren't the only ones who are suffering Mary80
  • Score: 1

5:10pm Fri 7 Feb 14

gilbertratchet says...

southy wrote:
National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns.
This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom.
People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority
Yes! The country should grind to a complete standstill, we should all just sit doing nothing! That will be massively productive! Fantastic.

Idiot.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns. This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom. People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority[/p][/quote]Yes! The country should grind to a complete standstill, we should all just sit doing nothing! That will be massively productive! Fantastic. Idiot. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 5

5:12pm Fri 7 Feb 14

gilbertratchet says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns.
This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom.
People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority
Finally given up the prospect of gaining power through election then?
Striking is all part of a democratic system.
And? It's PART of a system. You seem to think it's the only way to resolve any situation whatsoever. How's about you give us an insight into how effective striking can be, by striking off from your position as resident Echo boards dullard.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns. This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom. People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority[/p][/quote]Finally given up the prospect of gaining power through election then?[/p][/quote]Striking is all part of a democratic system.[/p][/quote]And? It's PART of a system. You seem to think it's the only way to resolve any situation whatsoever. How's about you give us an insight into how effective striking can be, by striking off from your position as resident Echo boards dullard. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 6

5:13pm Fri 7 Feb 14

gilbertratchet says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns.
This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom.
People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority
Finally given up the prospect of gaining power through election then?
Striking is all part of a democratic system.
Please explain your plan to force the government to resign by calling for a general strike and how this fits in to the democratic process where the whole country gets a say instead of only those in militant unions? Your democracy is only for the strikers.
Indeed. I don't wish to strike. I'm quite happy with my situation. If I don't like my working conditions, I find another job. I don't throw a tantrum about it. I vote with my feet - the ultimate in democracy!
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns. This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom. People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority[/p][/quote]Finally given up the prospect of gaining power through election then?[/p][/quote]Striking is all part of a democratic system.[/p][/quote]Please explain your plan to force the government to resign by calling for a general strike and how this fits in to the democratic process where the whole country gets a say instead of only those in militant unions? Your democracy is only for the strikers.[/p][/quote]Indeed. I don't wish to strike. I'm quite happy with my situation. If I don't like my working conditions, I find another job. I don't throw a tantrum about it. I vote with my feet - the ultimate in democracy! gilbertratchet
  • Score: 5

5:14pm Fri 7 Feb 14

gilbertratchet says...

From the sidelines wrote:
southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Wonder if the parents can send all the teachers a 'fine' for unauthorised absence from the school teaching calendar.
Surely this has to work both ways.
It was this government that introduce of fining parents if there kids took school leave not the teachers
"Their".

Southy should have spent a little more time at school.
Oh come on. There's plenty to attack southy on without having to resort to his literacy! This is like trying to win an argument with a child by calling him "short stuff"!
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Wonder if the parents can send all the teachers a 'fine' for unauthorised absence from the school teaching calendar. Surely this has to work both ways.[/p][/quote]It was this government that introduce of fining parents if there kids took school leave not the teachers[/p][/quote]"Their". Southy should have spent a little more time at school.[/p][/quote]Oh come on. There's plenty to attack southy on without having to resort to his literacy! This is like trying to win an argument with a child by calling him "short stuff"! gilbertratchet
  • Score: 3

5:18pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns.
This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom.
People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority
Finally given up the prospect of gaining power through election then?
Striking is all part of a democratic system.
Please explain your plan to force the government to resign by calling for a general strike and how this fits in to the democratic process where the whole country gets a say instead of only those in militant unions? Your democracy is only for the strikers.
They are not Militant Unions they are freedom fighters for the majority of people rights, rights that been hard to gain since the 1700's, Calling them Militant is just right wing false propaganda.
It s a democratic right for the majority of people to force a government out off office at any time, no government should be allowed to remain in office if its doing the people wrong, We had a civil wars in this country to remove a kings from office twice, we should not have to result to another civil war to remove a bad government from office. And forcing a Government out off office gives the people the democratic right to elect a new government or return the same government back in office now that is real democratic for all.
But then you know you would lose this far right wing Tory government and Labour would be in, and that don't suit you do it Torchie even low your not in this country you know that this government will be out at the next election and Labour will be in with a landslide victory.
Something else to add to the long list of predictions that you'll be able to deny making if it doesn't work out. I still think you have a career on the stage as a comedian beckoning so that a wider audience can enjoy the spectacle.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns. This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom. People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority[/p][/quote]Finally given up the prospect of gaining power through election then?[/p][/quote]Striking is all part of a democratic system.[/p][/quote]Please explain your plan to force the government to resign by calling for a general strike and how this fits in to the democratic process where the whole country gets a say instead of only those in militant unions? Your democracy is only for the strikers.[/p][/quote]They are not Militant Unions they are freedom fighters for the majority of people rights, rights that been hard to gain since the 1700's, Calling them Militant is just right wing false propaganda. It s a democratic right for the majority of people to force a government out off office at any time, no government should be allowed to remain in office if its doing the people wrong, We had a civil wars in this country to remove a kings from office twice, we should not have to result to another civil war to remove a bad government from office. And forcing a Government out off office gives the people the democratic right to elect a new government or return the same government back in office now that is real democratic for all. But then you know you would lose this far right wing Tory government and Labour would be in, and that don't suit you do it Torchie even low your not in this country you know that this government will be out at the next election and Labour will be in with a landslide victory.[/p][/quote]Something else to add to the long list of predictions that you'll be able to deny making if it doesn't work out. I still think you have a career on the stage as a comedian beckoning so that a wider audience can enjoy the spectacle. Torchie1
  • Score: 7

10:11pm Sat 8 Feb 14

southy says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Wonder if the parents can send all the teachers a 'fine' for unauthorised absence from the school teaching calendar.
Surely this has to work both ways.
It was this government that introduce of fining parents if there kids took school leave not the teachers
"Their".

Southy should have spent a little more time at school.
Oh come on. There's plenty to attack southy on without having to resort to his literacy! This is like trying to win an argument with a child by calling him "short stuff"!
They do because they get beating into a corner, if they try abating politics with any body
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Wonder if the parents can send all the teachers a 'fine' for unauthorised absence from the school teaching calendar. Surely this has to work both ways.[/p][/quote]It was this government that introduce of fining parents if there kids took school leave not the teachers[/p][/quote]"Their". Southy should have spent a little more time at school.[/p][/quote]Oh come on. There's plenty to attack southy on without having to resort to his literacy! This is like trying to win an argument with a child by calling him "short stuff"![/p][/quote]They do because they get beating into a corner, if they try abating politics with any body southy
  • Score: -2

10:19pm Sat 8 Feb 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns.
This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom.
People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority
Finally given up the prospect of gaining power through election then?
Striking is all part of a democratic system.
Please explain your plan to force the government to resign by calling for a general strike and how this fits in to the democratic process where the whole country gets a say instead of only those in militant unions? Your democracy is only for the strikers.
They are not Militant Unions they are freedom fighters for the majority of people rights, rights that been hard to gain since the 1700's, Calling them Militant is just right wing false propaganda.
It s a democratic right for the majority of people to force a government out off office at any time, no government should be allowed to remain in office if its doing the people wrong, We had a civil wars in this country to remove a kings from office twice, we should not have to result to another civil war to remove a bad government from office. And forcing a Government out off office gives the people the democratic right to elect a new government or return the same government back in office now that is real democratic for all.
But then you know you would lose this far right wing Tory government and Labour would be in, and that don't suit you do it Torchie even low your not in this country you know that this government will be out at the next election and Labour will be in with a landslide victory.
Something else to add to the long list of predictions that you'll be able to deny making if it doesn't work out. I still think you have a career on the stage as a comedian beckoning so that a wider audience can enjoy the spectacle.
This Government when elected in knew that they would not be returning at the next general election, thats why they moved the goal posts so it would make it harder to have a vote of not confidence, They are not going to return, they have all ready lost to many votes that will switch back to Labour, and they will lose even more to UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns. This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom. People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority[/p][/quote]Finally given up the prospect of gaining power through election then?[/p][/quote]Striking is all part of a democratic system.[/p][/quote]Please explain your plan to force the government to resign by calling for a general strike and how this fits in to the democratic process where the whole country gets a say instead of only those in militant unions? Your democracy is only for the strikers.[/p][/quote]They are not Militant Unions they are freedom fighters for the majority of people rights, rights that been hard to gain since the 1700's, Calling them Militant is just right wing false propaganda. It s a democratic right for the majority of people to force a government out off office at any time, no government should be allowed to remain in office if its doing the people wrong, We had a civil wars in this country to remove a kings from office twice, we should not have to result to another civil war to remove a bad government from office. And forcing a Government out off office gives the people the democratic right to elect a new government or return the same government back in office now that is real democratic for all. But then you know you would lose this far right wing Tory government and Labour would be in, and that don't suit you do it Torchie even low your not in this country you know that this government will be out at the next election and Labour will be in with a landslide victory.[/p][/quote]Something else to add to the long list of predictions that you'll be able to deny making if it doesn't work out. I still think you have a career on the stage as a comedian beckoning so that a wider audience can enjoy the spectacle.[/p][/quote]This Government when elected in knew that they would not be returning at the next general election, thats why they moved the goal posts so it would make it harder to have a vote of not confidence, They are not going to return, they have all ready lost to many votes that will switch back to Labour, and they will lose even more to UKIP. southy
  • Score: -1

10:27pm Sat 8 Feb 14

southy says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns.
This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom.
People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority
Finally given up the prospect of gaining power through election then?
Striking is all part of a democratic system.
And? It's PART of a system. You seem to think it's the only way to resolve any situation whatsoever. How's about you give us an insight into how effective striking can be, by striking off from your position as resident Echo boards dullard.
If they refuse to sit down and talk and striking is all ways the last answer to force them to the table to talks, The Government was dictating to the workers in this case Teachers, the Teachers unions was willing to carry on with talks to find common ground, but the government refused so now the strikes starts, If and when the government comes back to the table for talks then the strikes will stop.
And if you don't like what i posting you have a choice not read or comment on what I post, but once you do you may get an return post, if you don't like it suggest you go else where, but never tell some one else to go.
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns. This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom. People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority[/p][/quote]Finally given up the prospect of gaining power through election then?[/p][/quote]Striking is all part of a democratic system.[/p][/quote]And? It's PART of a system. You seem to think it's the only way to resolve any situation whatsoever. How's about you give us an insight into how effective striking can be, by striking off from your position as resident Echo boards dullard.[/p][/quote]If they refuse to sit down and talk and striking is all ways the last answer to force them to the table to talks, The Government was dictating to the workers in this case Teachers, the Teachers unions was willing to carry on with talks to find common ground, but the government refused so now the strikes starts, If and when the government comes back to the table for talks then the strikes will stop. And if you don't like what i posting you have a choice not read or comment on what I post, but once you do you may get an return post, if you don't like it suggest you go else where, but never tell some one else to go. southy
  • Score: -1

10:33pm Sat 8 Feb 14

southy says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns.
This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom.
People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority
Yes! The country should grind to a complete standstill, we should all just sit doing nothing! That will be massively productive! Fantastic.

Idiot.
Your the Idoit, if you have not realise all ready, A general strike can resolve a dispute very quickly, if not it brings the Government down and are force to call an early election in which the majority of people wants, they want this government gone and never to come back.
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: National Strikes are no longer good enough the Rank and File of all Unions should be forcing the hand of there Right Wing leadership in the TUC to call for a General Strike and stay out till this Government resigns. This Government is not fit to govern from top to bottom, there, to much corruption and self serving members in Government from the Tory's to Labour. But then i am not surprise this is what happens in a Capitalism though out look after those at the top and kick those at the bottom. People should unite and help fight this Governments that look after them self,s and remind them what they are they for to serve the majority of people and never for them self,s or the minority[/p][/quote]Yes! The country should grind to a complete standstill, we should all just sit doing nothing! That will be massively productive! Fantastic. Idiot.[/p][/quote]Your the Idoit, if you have not realise all ready, A general strike can resolve a dispute very quickly, if not it brings the Government down and are force to call an early election in which the majority of people wants, they want this government gone and never to come back. southy
  • Score: -2

11:03pm Sat 8 Feb 14

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
A general strike would adversely affect all of us and would only be advocated by a Terribly Unsocial Stupid Chav (had a problem choosing the last word there). As every PM since Churchill has been worse than the one before with C'moron being even worse than Brown the only way we could possibly continue this tradition would be for us all to vote TUSC. Fortunately this will not happen and if we go for UKIP that tradition will finally be reversed.
UKIP and vote for a party that is even more right wing, its bad enough now it will only get worse the more right wing you go, We need to pull Politics and Economy policy to the left, its only left wing that is best suited for the majority
Southy we have a society where every one thinks they're owed a living this was a society built by Socialists & is the reason why we have our own people refusing to take a job because it's hard work & only a bit more pay than Welfare so your Socialist/Left wing politics have now been proven not to work
The question is loose do you want a society and an economy that works or do you want one that that will keep on failing, For any economy to work it really do owe every one these factors, a job for life where the pay and hours are reasonable, a roof over there heads, food in there belly, cloths on there backs, a free education, a free health care and a pension, if you have these then you have a society that works, people are not refusing jobs (well maybe a very few but the numbers are extremely low) people will work but the jobs are not there not at reasonable hours or pay, what companys want is paid slave labour pay as little as they can and work them to death its all in the name of big profits for the company, thats why they been getting a work force from over seas because they do not need to apply the national agreement and they get tax releif in doing so, and at 6 mths they drop them leaving them to defend for them selfs and make there own back while the company brings in another lot of oversea workers.
to stop this all you have to do is force there companys to keep to the national agreement and make sure that any overseas workers get back to there own country after the six mths.
But like i said there is no real jobs out there we have when counting all the sections together over 6 million people unemployed and only 60,000 jobs to be had over the year, this figure of number of jobs is not going up its going down but unemployment is going up. How much longer can this happen for before the people revolt and trigger a revolution. Think about it for a very long time, British people will take so much till they are between the Devil and the rock.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: A general strike would adversely affect all of us and would only be advocated by a Terribly Unsocial Stupid Chav (had a problem choosing the last word there). As every PM since Churchill has been worse than the one before with C'moron being even worse than Brown the only way we could possibly continue this tradition would be for us all to vote TUSC. Fortunately this will not happen and if we go for UKIP that tradition will finally be reversed.[/p][/quote]UKIP and vote for a party that is even more right wing, its bad enough now it will only get worse the more right wing you go, We need to pull Politics and Economy policy to the left, its only left wing that is best suited for the majority[/p][/quote]Southy we have a society where every one thinks they're owed a living this was a society built by Socialists & is the reason why we have our own people refusing to take a job because it's hard work & only a bit more pay than Welfare so your Socialist/Left wing politics have now been proven not to work[/p][/quote]The question is loose do you want a society and an economy that works or do you want one that that will keep on failing, For any economy to work it really do owe every one these factors, a job for life where the pay and hours are reasonable, a roof over there heads, food in there belly, cloths on there backs, a free education, a free health care and a pension, if you have these then you have a society that works, people are not refusing jobs (well maybe a very few but the numbers are extremely low) people will work but the jobs are not there not at reasonable hours or pay, what companys want is paid slave labour pay as little as they can and work them to death its all in the name of big profits for the company, thats why they been getting a work force from over seas because they do not need to apply the national agreement and they get tax releif in doing so, and at 6 mths they drop them leaving them to defend for them selfs and make there own back while the company brings in another lot of oversea workers. to stop this all you have to do is force there companys to keep to the national agreement and make sure that any overseas workers get back to there own country after the six mths. But like i said there is no real jobs out there we have when counting all the sections together over 6 million people unemployed and only 60,000 jobs to be had over the year, this figure of number of jobs is not going up its going down but unemployment is going up. How much longer can this happen for before the people revolt and trigger a revolution. Think about it for a very long time, British people will take so much till they are between the Devil and the rock. southy
  • Score: -1

2:05pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Shoong says...

Still coming back to old articles feeling that posting the last comment somehow makes you right then?
Still coming back to old articles feeling that posting the last comment somehow makes you right then? Shoong
  • Score: 2

6:08pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Torchie1 says...

Shoong wrote:
Still coming back to old articles feeling that posting the last comment somehow makes you right then?
The last comment or the last fairy story? 'Deluded' of Redbridge is fantasising about the next union march in the way he frothed at the mouth over previous marches that he believed would change the course of history. How many times did he try to convince us that unrest in the Middle East and then Greece was the beginning of the end for capitalism, the start of the peoples revolution? I don't suppose he'll ever be able to accept that the last popular discontent was in Central Europe when the population rose up against the shackles of socialism and replaced it with the capitalist system that he's convinced is on it's last legs.I still think he should seek out an agent that could place him in on stage so that a wider audience could be entertained by his ramblings.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: Still coming back to old articles feeling that posting the last comment somehow makes you right then?[/p][/quote]The last comment or the last fairy story? 'Deluded' of Redbridge is fantasising about the next union march in the way he frothed at the mouth over previous marches that he believed would change the course of history. How many times did he try to convince us that unrest in the Middle East and then Greece was the beginning of the end for capitalism, the start of the peoples revolution? I don't suppose he'll ever be able to accept that the last popular discontent was in Central Europe when the population rose up against the shackles of socialism and replaced it with the capitalist system that he's convinced is on it's last legs.I still think he should seek out an agent that could place him in on stage so that a wider audience could be entertained by his ramblings. Torchie1
  • Score: 0

9:08pm Sun 9 Feb 14

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
A general strike would adversely affect all of us and would only be advocated by a Terribly Unsocial Stupid Chav (had a problem choosing the last word there). As every PM since Churchill has been worse than the one before with C'moron being even worse than Brown the only way we could possibly continue this tradition would be for us all to vote TUSC. Fortunately this will not happen and if we go for UKIP that tradition will finally be reversed.
UKIP and vote for a party that is even more right wing, its bad enough now it will only get worse the more right wing you go, We need to pull Politics and Economy policy to the left, its only left wing that is best suited for the majority
Southy we have a society where every one thinks they're owed a living this was a society built by Socialists & is the reason why we have our own people refusing to take a job because it's hard work & only a bit more pay than Welfare so your Socialist/Left wing politics have now been proven not to work
The question is loose do you want a society and an economy that works or do you want one that that will keep on failing, For any economy to work it really do owe every one these factors, a job for life where the pay and hours are reasonable, a roof over there heads, food in there belly, cloths on there backs, a free education, a free health care and a pension, if you have these then you have a society that works, people are not refusing jobs (well maybe a very few but the numbers are extremely low) people will work but the jobs are not there not at reasonable hours or pay, what companys want is paid slave labour pay as little as they can and work them to death its all in the name of big profits for the company, thats why they been getting a work force from over seas because they do not need to apply the national agreement and they get tax releif in doing so, and at 6 mths they drop them leaving them to defend for them selfs and make there own back while the company brings in another lot of oversea workers.
to stop this all you have to do is force there companys to keep to the national agreement and make sure that any overseas workers get back to there own country after the six mths.
But like i said there is no real jobs out there we have when counting all the sections together over 6 million people unemployed and only 60,000 jobs to be had over the year, this figure of number of jobs is not going up its going down but unemployment is going up. How much longer can this happen for before the people revolt and trigger a revolution. Think about it for a very long time, British people will take so much till they are between the Devil and the rock.
I think Harold Wilson & Tony Benn would have said they had a socialist country when they were in power & how did that work? hitting companies with 50p in the pound loosing companies hand over fist to third world countries.
A society who think they don't need to do anything it should be done for them where they're owed a living?
the idea of a country where your rewarded for the work you do was as far as I was told by my socialist father the Labour way but even he felt betrayed by excessive taxes & people being rewarded for not working & I'm now 57 & he died when I was 17 so in 40 years the socialist way has time after time helped put us into the mess we're in.
we are spending far more than we as a country earn & until people realise you can't live the high live if your on low wages the better because of the companies that have left these shores this country is on a low income yet it's people want to live the high life want to be paid not to work well sorry Southy as Labour said the cupboards bare
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: A general strike would adversely affect all of us and would only be advocated by a Terribly Unsocial Stupid Chav (had a problem choosing the last word there). As every PM since Churchill has been worse than the one before with C'moron being even worse than Brown the only way we could possibly continue this tradition would be for us all to vote TUSC. Fortunately this will not happen and if we go for UKIP that tradition will finally be reversed.[/p][/quote]UKIP and vote for a party that is even more right wing, its bad enough now it will only get worse the more right wing you go, We need to pull Politics and Economy policy to the left, its only left wing that is best suited for the majority[/p][/quote]Southy we have a society where every one thinks they're owed a living this was a society built by Socialists & is the reason why we have our own people refusing to take a job because it's hard work & only a bit more pay than Welfare so your Socialist/Left wing politics have now been proven not to work[/p][/quote]The question is loose do you want a society and an economy that works or do you want one that that will keep on failing, For any economy to work it really do owe every one these factors, a job for life where the pay and hours are reasonable, a roof over there heads, food in there belly, cloths on there backs, a free education, a free health care and a pension, if you have these then you have a society that works, people are not refusing jobs (well maybe a very few but the numbers are extremely low) people will work but the jobs are not there not at reasonable hours or pay, what companys want is paid slave labour pay as little as they can and work them to death its all in the name of big profits for the company, thats why they been getting a work force from over seas because they do not need to apply the national agreement and they get tax releif in doing so, and at 6 mths they drop them leaving them to defend for them selfs and make there own back while the company brings in another lot of oversea workers. to stop this all you have to do is force there companys to keep to the national agreement and make sure that any overseas workers get back to there own country after the six mths. But like i said there is no real jobs out there we have when counting all the sections together over 6 million people unemployed and only 60,000 jobs to be had over the year, this figure of number of jobs is not going up its going down but unemployment is going up. How much longer can this happen for before the people revolt and trigger a revolution. Think about it for a very long time, British people will take so much till they are between the Devil and the rock.[/p][/quote]I think Harold Wilson & Tony Benn would have said they had a socialist country when they were in power & how did that work? hitting companies with 50p in the pound loosing companies hand over fist to third world countries. A society who think they don't need to do anything it should be done for them where they're owed a living? the idea of a country where your rewarded for the work you do was as far as I was told by my socialist father the Labour way but even he felt betrayed by excessive taxes & people being rewarded for not working & I'm now 57 & he died when I was 17 so in 40 years the socialist way has time after time helped put us into the mess we're in. we are spending far more than we as a country earn & until people realise you can't live the high live if your on low wages the better because of the companies that have left these shores this country is on a low income yet it's people want to live the high life want to be paid not to work well sorry Southy as Labour said the cupboards bare loosehead
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