Young people warned Internet booze craze NekNomination 'putting lives at risk'

Daily Echo: DRINKING CRAZE: Beth Anderson downs her NekNomination cocktail. DRINKING CRAZE: Beth Anderson downs her NekNomination cocktail.

IT is the deadly booze craze gripping social media.

Students and young people in Hampshire are among those consuming potentially fatal alcoholic cocktails in the latest widespread Internet trend.

Now alcohol awareness groups have warned that anyone tempted to take part in the notorious drinking game NekNomination would be putting their life at risk.

It follows the death of 20-year-old Isaac Richardson, from London, who collapsed in the early hours of Sunday morning after consuming a cocktail of wine, whisky and vodka.

The trend involves people filming themselves downing bizarre combinations of alcohol with other foods and drinks and nominating someone to continue the game before posting it on Internet sites such as Facebook.

It is thought to have originated in Australia and has seen players consume alcohol with dog food, engine oil and even goldfish.

Participants choose what they put in their drink and are often dared to outdo the exploits of those who nominated them.

Andrew Langford, chief executive of the British Liver Trust, said: “Drinking at this level over a long period of time will have effects on the liver and people need to be very careful.

“The acute issues of NekNomination are alcohol poisoning and vomiting when unconscious and the antisocial behaviour that goes with it.”

Dr Sarah Jarvis, medical adviser for alcohol education charity Drinkaware, said: “Young people often say they feel peer pressure to drink to fit in, but competitions to drink excessively in a short space of time can be dangerous.”

She said that it increased the chances of injuries, and that posting footage on social media could dent future university and job prospects.

Solent University journalism student Beth Anderson was nominated for the dare by her cousin.

Beth, 19, from Wilton Avenue, Southampton, drank a mixture of milk, vodka, strong lager and an apple and cinnamon cold and flu remedy.

She insists that there were no bad effects and added: “It’s your responsibility not to be too stupid with what you put in it.

“Some people take it too far but it’s meant to be silly.

“If you don’t want to do it, you shouldn’t have to.”

Danny Harris, 19, a Southampton University first year geography student, from Bassett, was challenged by his football teammates.

He downed a concoction of vodka, wine, beer, gin, whipped cream, milk, HP sauce, marmite and lube.

He denied he was pressured into it and said: “I felt fine; it just tasted really different to most drinks. I see it as completely harmless fun. But some people take things too far and don’t know when to stop.”

Tom leads opposition to craze

FORMER X-Factor star Tom Mann has joined a rising movement to counterattacking of deadly drinking craze NekNomination.

The guitarist from Chandler’s Ford has posted his own Internet video highlighting the dangers of
the potentially fatal game.

The 20 year old – who was eliminated from last year’s competition at Bootcamp stage – has posted his song Neknominate/Neknomination on YouTube.

Meanwhile more than 100 students at Southampton University are fighting back by posting #RAKnominate videos.

These show students carrying out Random Acts of Kindness and encouraging others to do the same.

They include buying Big Issue sellers cups of coffee, sending friends flowers and cooking flatmates breakfast in bed.

  • Additional reporting by Hannah Carroll

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11:12am Tue 11 Feb 14

befriendly says...

When he was about fourteen and had told me a friend had asked him if he wanted a fag I told my son. Anyone can be a sheep and follow the flock, but it takes a real person to stand up against the follow my leader attitude and say NO. Those who take part in these crazes are certain candidates for a Darwin Award.
When he was about fourteen and had told me a friend had asked him if he wanted a fag I told my son. Anyone can be a sheep and follow the flock, but it takes a real person to stand up against the follow my leader attitude and say NO. Those who take part in these crazes are certain candidates for a Darwin Award. befriendly

11:15am Tue 11 Feb 14

bigfella777 says...

There probably are more people who say no but always idiots who say yes.
There probably are more people who say no but always idiots who say yes. bigfella777

11:34am Tue 11 Feb 14

Shirley_Girl says...

Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....
Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others.... Shirley_Girl

12:18pm Tue 11 Feb 14

userds5050 says...

Shirley_Girl wrote:
Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....
Er, the death of a 20 year old student.
[quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....[/p][/quote]Er, the death of a 20 year old student. userds5050

12:22pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Shirley_Girl says...

userds5050 wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....
Er, the death of a 20 year old student.
And alcohol has never caused a death before?... I think you'll find it has
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....[/p][/quote]Er, the death of a 20 year old student.[/p][/quote]And alcohol has never caused a death before?... I think you'll find it has Shirley_Girl

12:28pm Tue 11 Feb 14

userds5050 says...

Shirley_Girl wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....
Er, the death of a 20 year old student.
And alcohol has never caused a death before?... I think you'll find it has
Yes, but not involving this new drinking craze NekNomination. Hence the story warning people about it. That's how news works.
[quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....[/p][/quote]Er, the death of a 20 year old student.[/p][/quote]And alcohol has never caused a death before?... I think you'll find it has[/p][/quote]Yes, but not involving this new drinking craze NekNomination. Hence the story warning people about it. That's how news works. userds5050

12:59pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Shirley_Girl says...

userds5050 wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....
Er, the death of a 20 year old student.
And alcohol has never caused a death before?... I think you'll find it has
Yes, but not involving this new drinking craze NekNomination. Hence the story warning people about it. That's how news works.
Erm, I think you might have misunderstood me. I just wondered why all the news stories about this craze, but none about any other drinking games/challenges- all equally dangerous?
But you're determined to disagree with me now whatever I say, aren't you, anything I say from this point is going to be wrong? :)
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....[/p][/quote]Er, the death of a 20 year old student.[/p][/quote]And alcohol has never caused a death before?... I think you'll find it has[/p][/quote]Yes, but not involving this new drinking craze NekNomination. Hence the story warning people about it. That's how news works.[/p][/quote]Erm, I think you might have misunderstood me. I just wondered why all the news stories about this craze, but none about any other drinking games/challenges- all equally dangerous? But you're determined to disagree with me now whatever I say, aren't you, anything I say from this point is going to be wrong? :) Shirley_Girl

1:06pm Tue 11 Feb 14

camerajuan says...

Shirley_Girl wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....
Er, the death of a 20 year old student.
And alcohol has never caused a death before?... I think you'll find it has
Yes, but not involving this new drinking craze NekNomination. Hence the story warning people about it. That's how news works.
Erm, I think you might have misunderstood me. I just wondered why all the news stories about this craze, but none about any other drinking games/challenges- all equally dangerous?
But you're determined to disagree with me now whatever I say, aren't you, anything I say from this point is going to be wrong? :)
To anyone who receives a nomination - you don't HAVE to do it! And if you do it, you don't HAVE to make yourself ill with one drink. That's why you go on holiday.
[quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....[/p][/quote]Er, the death of a 20 year old student.[/p][/quote]And alcohol has never caused a death before?... I think you'll find it has[/p][/quote]Yes, but not involving this new drinking craze NekNomination. Hence the story warning people about it. That's how news works.[/p][/quote]Erm, I think you might have misunderstood me. I just wondered why all the news stories about this craze, but none about any other drinking games/challenges- all equally dangerous? But you're determined to disagree with me now whatever I say, aren't you, anything I say from this point is going to be wrong? :)[/p][/quote]To anyone who receives a nomination - you don't HAVE to do it! And if you do it, you don't HAVE to make yourself ill with one drink. That's why you go on holiday. camerajuan

1:47pm Tue 11 Feb 14

gilbertratchet says...

userds5050 wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....
Er, the death of a 20 year old student.
And alcohol has never caused a death before?... I think you'll find it has
Yes, but not involving this new drinking craze NekNomination. Hence the story warning people about it. That's how news works.
So people need the news to tell them drinking enormous amounts of alcohol really quickly is a bad idea?
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....[/p][/quote]Er, the death of a 20 year old student.[/p][/quote]And alcohol has never caused a death before?... I think you'll find it has[/p][/quote]Yes, but not involving this new drinking craze NekNomination. Hence the story warning people about it. That's how news works.[/p][/quote]So people need the news to tell them drinking enormous amounts of alcohol really quickly is a bad idea? gilbertratchet

1:53pm Tue 11 Feb 14

userds5050 says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....
Er, the death of a 20 year old student.
And alcohol has never caused a death before?... I think you'll find it has
Yes, but not involving this new drinking craze NekNomination. Hence the story warning people about it. That's how news works.
So people need the news to tell them drinking enormous amounts of alcohol really quickly is a bad idea?
Yes, unfortunately they do. Just ask the parents of Isaac Richardson.
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....[/p][/quote]Er, the death of a 20 year old student.[/p][/quote]And alcohol has never caused a death before?... I think you'll find it has[/p][/quote]Yes, but not involving this new drinking craze NekNomination. Hence the story warning people about it. That's how news works.[/p][/quote]So people need the news to tell them drinking enormous amounts of alcohol really quickly is a bad idea?[/p][/quote]Yes, unfortunately they do. Just ask the parents of Isaac Richardson. userds5050

1:59pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Shirley_Girl says...

userds5050 wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....
Er, the death of a 20 year old student.
And alcohol has never caused a death before?... I think you'll find it has
Yes, but not involving this new drinking craze NekNomination. Hence the story warning people about it. That's how news works.
So people need the news to tell them drinking enormous amounts of alcohol really quickly is a bad idea?
Yes, unfortunately they do. Just ask the parents of Isaac Richardson.
And if he had read this story, do you think it would have stopped him? Unfortunately, I don't. Did you read the comments above from the two students interviewed? They are still goiong to take part and so are their friends who they have 'nominated'.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....[/p][/quote]Er, the death of a 20 year old student.[/p][/quote]And alcohol has never caused a death before?... I think you'll find it has[/p][/quote]Yes, but not involving this new drinking craze NekNomination. Hence the story warning people about it. That's how news works.[/p][/quote]So people need the news to tell them drinking enormous amounts of alcohol really quickly is a bad idea?[/p][/quote]Yes, unfortunately they do. Just ask the parents of Isaac Richardson.[/p][/quote]And if he had read this story, do you think it would have stopped him? Unfortunately, I don't. Did you read the comments above from the two students interviewed? They are still goiong to take part and so are their friends who they have 'nominated'. Shirley_Girl

2:03pm Tue 11 Feb 14

camerajuan says...

userds5050 wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....
Er, the death of a 20 year old student.
And alcohol has never caused a death before?... I think you'll find it has
Yes, but not involving this new drinking craze NekNomination. Hence the story warning people about it. That's how news works.
So people need the news to tell them drinking enormous amounts of alcohol really quickly is a bad idea?
Yes, unfortunately they do. Just ask the parents of Isaac Richardson.
Sorry but if you're 20 and you don't know that then you really shouldn't be allowed out by yourself.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....[/p][/quote]Er, the death of a 20 year old student.[/p][/quote]And alcohol has never caused a death before?... I think you'll find it has[/p][/quote]Yes, but not involving this new drinking craze NekNomination. Hence the story warning people about it. That's how news works.[/p][/quote]So people need the news to tell them drinking enormous amounts of alcohol really quickly is a bad idea?[/p][/quote]Yes, unfortunately they do. Just ask the parents of Isaac Richardson.[/p][/quote]Sorry but if you're 20 and you don't know that then you really shouldn't be allowed out by yourself. camerajuan

2:06pm Tue 11 Feb 14

gilbertratchet says...

Shirley_Girl wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....
Er, the death of a 20 year old student.
And alcohol has never caused a death before?... I think you'll find it has
Yes, but not involving this new drinking craze NekNomination. Hence the story warning people about it. That's how news works.
So people need the news to tell them drinking enormous amounts of alcohol really quickly is a bad idea?
Yes, unfortunately they do. Just ask the parents of Isaac Richardson.
And if he had read this story, do you think it would have stopped him? Unfortunately, I don't. Did you read the comments above from the two students interviewed? They are still goiong to take part and so are their friends who they have 'nominated'.
Well said. Of course the news isn't going to stop anyone.
[quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....[/p][/quote]Er, the death of a 20 year old student.[/p][/quote]And alcohol has never caused a death before?... I think you'll find it has[/p][/quote]Yes, but not involving this new drinking craze NekNomination. Hence the story warning people about it. That's how news works.[/p][/quote]So people need the news to tell them drinking enormous amounts of alcohol really quickly is a bad idea?[/p][/quote]Yes, unfortunately they do. Just ask the parents of Isaac Richardson.[/p][/quote]And if he had read this story, do you think it would have stopped him? Unfortunately, I don't. Did you read the comments above from the two students interviewed? They are still goiong to take part and so are their friends who they have 'nominated'.[/p][/quote]Well said. Of course the news isn't going to stop anyone. gilbertratchet

2:07pm Tue 11 Feb 14

gilbertratchet says...

userds5050 wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....
Er, the death of a 20 year old student.
And alcohol has never caused a death before?... I think you'll find it has
Yes, but not involving this new drinking craze NekNomination. Hence the story warning people about it. That's how news works.
So people need the news to tell them drinking enormous amounts of alcohol really quickly is a bad idea?
Yes, unfortunately they do. Just ask the parents of Isaac Richardson.
This sort of emotive rhetoric is supposed to shut down any further discussion, I know, but really, it's just like saying "think of the children!" or "9/11!"
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....[/p][/quote]Er, the death of a 20 year old student.[/p][/quote]And alcohol has never caused a death before?... I think you'll find it has[/p][/quote]Yes, but not involving this new drinking craze NekNomination. Hence the story warning people about it. That's how news works.[/p][/quote]So people need the news to tell them drinking enormous amounts of alcohol really quickly is a bad idea?[/p][/quote]Yes, unfortunately they do. Just ask the parents of Isaac Richardson.[/p][/quote]This sort of emotive rhetoric is supposed to shut down any further discussion, I know, but really, it's just like saying "think of the children!" or "9/11!" gilbertratchet

2:25pm Tue 11 Feb 14

CHEESYPUFFS says...

Sorry but this is stupid and immature..... obviously the people that take part in this don't think of the consequences and their parents that might one day get a knock at the door from the police about their son/daughter. I hope that when they "grow up" and have children of their own they don't encourage their kids to do this!
Sorry but this is stupid and immature..... obviously the people that take part in this don't think of the consequences and their parents that might one day get a knock at the door from the police about their son/daughter. I hope that when they "grow up" and have children of their own they don't encourage their kids to do this! CHEESYPUFFS

2:49pm Tue 11 Feb 14

userds5050 says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....
Er, the death of a 20 year old student.
And alcohol has never caused a death before?... I think you'll find it has
Yes, but not involving this new drinking craze NekNomination. Hence the story warning people about it. That's how news works.
So people need the news to tell them drinking enormous amounts of alcohol really quickly is a bad idea?
Yes, unfortunately they do. Just ask the parents of Isaac Richardson.
This sort of emotive rhetoric is supposed to shut down any further discussion, I know, but really, it's just like saying "think of the children!" or "9/11!"
What are you on about? 9/11. I'm not shutting down any further discussion.
I suppose you think people warning of the dangers of legal highs such as miaow miaow were wasting their time too?
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: Students and other young people have been playing stupid drinking games for years... Why the sudden fuss about this one?! Its stupid and dangerous yes, but no more so than all the others....[/p][/quote]Er, the death of a 20 year old student.[/p][/quote]And alcohol has never caused a death before?... I think you'll find it has[/p][/quote]Yes, but not involving this new drinking craze NekNomination. Hence the story warning people about it. That's how news works.[/p][/quote]So people need the news to tell them drinking enormous amounts of alcohol really quickly is a bad idea?[/p][/quote]Yes, unfortunately they do. Just ask the parents of Isaac Richardson.[/p][/quote]This sort of emotive rhetoric is supposed to shut down any further discussion, I know, but really, it's just like saying "think of the children!" or "9/11!"[/p][/quote]What are you on about? 9/11. I'm not shutting down any further discussion. I suppose you think people warning of the dangers of legal highs such as miaow miaow were wasting their time too? userds5050

11:00pm Tue 11 Feb 14

The Mad Dog says...

CHEESYPUFFS wrote:
Sorry but this is stupid and immature..... obviously the people that take part in this don't think of the consequences and their parents that might one day get a knock at the door from the police about their son/daughter. I hope that when they "grow up" and have children of their own they don't encourage their kids to do this!
You are correct to a degree. It is not something that students/teenagers/y
outh of today are doing.
Unfortunately I have seen three videos that have been 'shared' on Facebook where the idiots concerned are married men, with families and are well into their 40's. I am embarrassed to admit I know two of them, all I can say is that they are utter tw@ts.
[quote][p][bold]CHEESYPUFFS[/bold] wrote: Sorry but this is stupid and immature..... obviously the people that take part in this don't think of the consequences and their parents that might one day get a knock at the door from the police about their son/daughter. I hope that when they "grow up" and have children of their own they don't encourage their kids to do this![/p][/quote]You are correct to a degree. It is not something that students/teenagers/y outh of today are doing. Unfortunately I have seen three videos that have been 'shared' on Facebook where the idiots concerned are married men, with families and are well into their 40's. I am embarrassed to admit I know two of them, all I can say is that they are utter tw@ts. The Mad Dog

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