First Bus to roll out new fare structure across Southampton

Daily Echo: Bus fares shake-up set to be rolled out in city Bus fares shake-up set to be rolled out in city

PASSENGERS on major bus routes in Southampton will see their fares slashed.

Travel operator First is dramatically cutting or freezing prices on two-thirds of its services.

From this week passengers can hop on for as little as £1, but those on some routes will have to pay more.

It is the latest twist in a series of overhauls in the last year amid accusations of “bus wars” with its rival Bluestar after some services were increased while many customers saw services cut or axed altogether.

But First – the city’s largest operator – insists the shake-up is part of a “groundbreaking” scheme to encourage more people onto public transport by standardising fares.

It focuses on rounding down prices to even numbers and simplifying route maps, making fares easier for passengers to understand and calculate.

They are also poised for a £2.7m investment into new buses complete with electronic announcement boards announcing stops.

There will only be six standard ticket prices for 14 new fare zones on a colour-coded map.

More than 63 per cent of fares will be rounded down to the nearest 50p or £1 making it easier for customers to prepare correct change.

Timetables will remain unchanged with the cheapest adult single is £1 – down from £1.15 – while all adult return fares will cost £1 more than the corresponding single fare.

Key routes include the Millbrook to Shirley service – dropping from £1.30 to just £1 for a single and £2 for a return.

The cost of travelling one way from Weston to the city centre falls from £2.35 to £2 and is £3 for a return.

But passengers travelling from Hamble into the city centre face a hike from £2.85 to £3.50 one way and from £4.30 to £5 for a return.

A journey from Hedge End now rises from £3.70 to £4 for a single but drops from £5.60 to £5 for a return.

The journey into the city centre rises, as child singles are 50p less than their equivalent adult fares, with returns 50p more than each single.

Company managing director Marc Reddy said: “We are trying to reduce the complexity of fares and introduce more simplicity to make the journey a simpler experience.

“It makes it more attractive for our customers who can see much more easily how pricing works.

“Most people will know they have to just use 50p or £1 and it will speed up journey times as neither they nor our drivers will have to worry about finding different change.”

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11:14am Wed 12 Feb 14

sotonboy84 says...

I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester.

First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer!

Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.
I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester. First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer! Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat. sotonboy84

11:20am Wed 12 Feb 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

The railways could do better, but not with a pitiful hourly service from local stopping stations. No one wants to wait for long periods with the posibility that the train won't turn up at all.
The railways could do better, but not with a pitiful hourly service from local stopping stations. No one wants to wait for long periods with the posibility that the train won't turn up at all. OSPREYSAINT

12:18pm Wed 12 Feb 14

sotonbusdriver says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester.

First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer!

Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.
Perhaps you might like to try driving a bus for a few weeks, and then you might see why drivers are often short tempered.
Although not an excuse, drivers are bombarded with abuse almost continuously from passengers who treat them like the dogs mess you would scrape off your shoe..
Drivers get a rough ride, with passengers giving them hell, kids constantly throwing objects at them, cars and lorries trying to put them off the road, and Management that will sack them at the slightest chance, and replace them for cheap immigrants instead. Drivers work long and anti-social hours, often to the detriment of their marriages.
It is not a nice job, like in the past, when drivers were highly respected. Now the job is worse than a refuse collector, or sewer worker.
The pay and conditions are poor, and you need to regularly put in 60 hours weeks, to even think about a living wage.

Which probably explains why drivers are so miserable, they can't win what ever they do
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester. First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer! Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you might like to try driving a bus for a few weeks, and then you might see why drivers are often short tempered. Although not an excuse, drivers are bombarded with abuse almost continuously from passengers who treat them like the dogs mess you would scrape off your shoe.. Drivers get a rough ride, with passengers giving them hell, kids constantly throwing objects at them, cars and lorries trying to put them off the road, and Management that will sack them at the slightest chance, and replace them for cheap immigrants instead. Drivers work long and anti-social hours, often to the detriment of their marriages. It is not a nice job, like in the past, when drivers were highly respected. Now the job is worse than a refuse collector, or sewer worker. The pay and conditions are poor, and you need to regularly put in 60 hours weeks, to even think about a living wage. Which probably explains why drivers are so miserable, they can't win what ever they do sotonbusdriver

12:25pm Wed 12 Feb 14

LookBeyondTheObvious says...

be aware that if the driver doesn't press the next stage on his machine you WILL be charged more than you should. happens to us a lot. FirstBus no longer bother to reply to our comments.
be aware that if the driver doesn't press the next stage on his machine you WILL be charged more than you should. happens to us a lot. FirstBus no longer bother to reply to our comments. LookBeyondTheObvious

12:46pm Wed 12 Feb 14

elvisimo says...

sotonbusdriver wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester.

First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer!

Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.
Perhaps you might like to try driving a bus for a few weeks, and then you might see why drivers are often short tempered.
Although not an excuse, drivers are bombarded with abuse almost continuously from passengers who treat them like the dogs mess you would scrape off your shoe..
Drivers get a rough ride, with passengers giving them hell, kids constantly throwing objects at them, cars and lorries trying to put them off the road, and Management that will sack them at the slightest chance, and replace them for cheap immigrants instead. Drivers work long and anti-social hours, often to the detriment of their marriages.
It is not a nice job, like in the past, when drivers were highly respected. Now the job is worse than a refuse collector, or sewer worker.
The pay and conditions are poor, and you need to regularly put in 60 hours weeks, to even think about a living wage.

Which probably explains why drivers are so miserable, they can't win what ever they do
resign??
[quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester. First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer! Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you might like to try driving a bus for a few weeks, and then you might see why drivers are often short tempered. Although not an excuse, drivers are bombarded with abuse almost continuously from passengers who treat them like the dogs mess you would scrape off your shoe.. Drivers get a rough ride, with passengers giving them hell, kids constantly throwing objects at them, cars and lorries trying to put them off the road, and Management that will sack them at the slightest chance, and replace them for cheap immigrants instead. Drivers work long and anti-social hours, often to the detriment of their marriages. It is not a nice job, like in the past, when drivers were highly respected. Now the job is worse than a refuse collector, or sewer worker. The pay and conditions are poor, and you need to regularly put in 60 hours weeks, to even think about a living wage. Which probably explains why drivers are so miserable, they can't win what ever they do[/p][/quote]resign?? elvisimo

1:09pm Wed 12 Feb 14

sotonbusdriver says...

elvisimo wrote:
sotonbusdriver wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester.

First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer!

Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.
Perhaps you might like to try driving a bus for a few weeks, and then you might see why drivers are often short tempered.
Although not an excuse, drivers are bombarded with abuse almost continuously from passengers who treat them like the dogs mess you would scrape off your shoe..
Drivers get a rough ride, with passengers giving them hell, kids constantly throwing objects at them, cars and lorries trying to put them off the road, and Management that will sack them at the slightest chance, and replace them for cheap immigrants instead. Drivers work long and anti-social hours, often to the detriment of their marriages.
It is not a nice job, like in the past, when drivers were highly respected. Now the job is worse than a refuse collector, or sewer worker.
The pay and conditions are poor, and you need to regularly put in 60 hours weeks, to even think about a living wage.

Which probably explains why drivers are so miserable, they can't win what ever they do
resign??
RESIGN....

That is why the Company trains and replaces 35-40% of its drivers every year....

No-one wants to be abused, so after a short while they leave...

Leading to drivers bullied in to extra hours to cover, buses cut because there is no-one to drive it, drivers confused as they are new and been drop in the deep end.

Companies like First, need to look at the PO-OP they throw at their staff and improve the working hours and conditions as they are throwing away huge sums of money training for drivers to only leave in 12 months time... There are currently less than 15% of drivers at First that have done 10+ yrs service there. DISGUSTING really
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester. First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer! Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you might like to try driving a bus for a few weeks, and then you might see why drivers are often short tempered. Although not an excuse, drivers are bombarded with abuse almost continuously from passengers who treat them like the dogs mess you would scrape off your shoe.. Drivers get a rough ride, with passengers giving them hell, kids constantly throwing objects at them, cars and lorries trying to put them off the road, and Management that will sack them at the slightest chance, and replace them for cheap immigrants instead. Drivers work long and anti-social hours, often to the detriment of their marriages. It is not a nice job, like in the past, when drivers were highly respected. Now the job is worse than a refuse collector, or sewer worker. The pay and conditions are poor, and you need to regularly put in 60 hours weeks, to even think about a living wage. Which probably explains why drivers are so miserable, they can't win what ever they do[/p][/quote]resign??[/p][/quote]RESIGN.... That is why the Company trains and replaces 35-40% of its drivers every year.... No-one wants to be abused, so after a short while they leave... Leading to drivers bullied in to extra hours to cover, buses cut because there is no-one to drive it, drivers confused as they are new and been drop in the deep end. Companies like First, need to look at the PO-OP they throw at their staff and improve the working hours and conditions as they are throwing away huge sums of money training for drivers to only leave in 12 months time... There are currently less than 15% of drivers at First that have done 10+ yrs service there. DISGUSTING really sotonbusdriver

1:36pm Wed 12 Feb 14

C-O-Y-R says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester.

First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer!

Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.
i live in sholing and a single
fair from town to sholing has NEVER cost £3.10.

as for drivers SHOUTING at you , if this was the case im sure you would be noting their numbers and reporting them...

but you wont have done this , because your posting is at worst made up, at best massively exaggerated.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester. First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer! Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.[/p][/quote]i live in sholing and a single fair from town to sholing has NEVER cost £3.10. as for drivers SHOUTING at you , if this was the case im sure you would be noting their numbers and reporting them... but you wont have done this , because your posting is at worst made up, at best massively exaggerated. C-O-Y-R

1:50pm Wed 12 Feb 14

george h says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester.

First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer!

Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.
You forgot to mention that Bluestar drivers are much, much better than First staff. Better trained, better supervised, better behaved. Better human beings.

First staff may be in the private sector, but still haven't made the transition in culture from being originally just another department of local government; a wholly-owned municipal bus undertaking.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester. First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer! Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.[/p][/quote]You forgot to mention that Bluestar drivers are much, much better than First staff. Better trained, better supervised, better behaved. Better human beings. First staff may be in the private sector, but still haven't made the transition in culture from being originally just another department of local government; a wholly-owned municipal bus undertaking. george h

1:53pm Wed 12 Feb 14

george h says...

sotonbusdriver wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester.

First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer!

Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.
Perhaps you might like to try driving a bus for a few weeks, and then you might see why drivers are often short tempered.
Although not an excuse, drivers are bombarded with abuse almost continuously from passengers who treat them like the dogs mess you would scrape off your shoe..
Drivers get a rough ride, with passengers giving them hell, kids constantly throwing objects at them, cars and lorries trying to put them off the road, and Management that will sack them at the slightest chance, and replace them for cheap immigrants instead. Drivers work long and anti-social hours, often to the detriment of their marriages.
It is not a nice job, like in the past, when drivers were highly respected. Now the job is worse than a refuse collector, or sewer worker.
The pay and conditions are poor, and you need to regularly put in 60 hours weeks, to even think about a living wage.

Which probably explains why drivers are so miserable, they can't win what ever they do
Perhaps you get the passengers you deserve then.

We don't hear similar discontent from Bluestar drivers. Could that be because better behaviour by drivers produces better behaved passengers?
[quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester. First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer! Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you might like to try driving a bus for a few weeks, and then you might see why drivers are often short tempered. Although not an excuse, drivers are bombarded with abuse almost continuously from passengers who treat them like the dogs mess you would scrape off your shoe.. Drivers get a rough ride, with passengers giving them hell, kids constantly throwing objects at them, cars and lorries trying to put them off the road, and Management that will sack them at the slightest chance, and replace them for cheap immigrants instead. Drivers work long and anti-social hours, often to the detriment of their marriages. It is not a nice job, like in the past, when drivers were highly respected. Now the job is worse than a refuse collector, or sewer worker. The pay and conditions are poor, and you need to regularly put in 60 hours weeks, to even think about a living wage. Which probably explains why drivers are so miserable, they can't win what ever they do[/p][/quote]Perhaps you get the passengers you deserve then. We don't hear similar discontent from Bluestar drivers. Could that be because better behaviour by drivers produces better behaved passengers? george h

2:21pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Costa Baz says...

Electronic announcement boards have been standard on London buses for a while now, so hardly cutting edge.

How about introducing an equivalent to London's Oyster Card?
In London, passengers put money on the card, which is money up front for TFL (Transport for London), who operate, what I believe is the only non privatised bus service in England. (And a very good service it is.)
In return, when the card is "touched" against the terminal on the bus, the passenger is rewarded for their up front investment, by paying a reduced fare, i.e. £1.40 instead of £2.80.
They are further rewarded by having a "cap" on the card, meaning they can use the card as many times as they want, during a 24 hour period, but never pay more than the capped figure (£8.80 I believe).
The buses also run quicker, as it takes a second to touch your card to the terminal, rather than the interminable amount of time it takes for some passengers to find their purse/wallet/change, and then wait for change and tickets to be issued.
Electronic announcement boards have been standard on London buses for a while now, so hardly cutting edge. How about introducing an equivalent to London's Oyster Card? In London, passengers put money on the card, which is money up front for TFL (Transport for London), who operate, what I believe is the only non privatised bus service in England. (And a very good service it is.) In return, when the card is "touched" against the terminal on the bus, the passenger is rewarded for their up front investment, by paying a reduced fare, i.e. £1.40 instead of £2.80. They are further rewarded by having a "cap" on the card, meaning they can use the card as many times as they want, during a 24 hour period, but never pay more than the capped figure (£8.80 I believe). The buses also run quicker, as it takes a second to touch your card to the terminal, rather than the interminable amount of time it takes for some passengers to find their purse/wallet/change, and then wait for change and tickets to be issued. Costa Baz

2:25pm Wed 12 Feb 14

kevinchandler100@talktalk.net says...

sotonbusdriver wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester.

First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer!

Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.
Perhaps you might like to try driving a bus for a few weeks, and then you might see why drivers are often short tempered.
Although not an excuse, drivers are bombarded with abuse almost continuously from passengers who treat them like the dogs mess you would scrape off your shoe..
Drivers get a rough ride, with passengers giving them hell, kids constantly throwing objects at them, cars and lorries trying to put them off the road, and Management that will sack them at the slightest chance, and replace them for cheap immigrants instead. Drivers work long and anti-social hours, often to the detriment of their marriages.
It is not a nice job, like in the past, when drivers were highly respected. Now the job is worse than a refuse collector, or sewer worker.
The pay and conditions are poor, and you need to regularly put in 60 hours weeks, to even think about a living wage.

Which probably explains why drivers are so miserable, they can't win what ever they do
If you can't stand the pressure of being a bus driver leave let someone else do it.As other people has said the bus's never run on time. All ways one bus taken off throughout the day. All your drivers are interested in is your shares. Never mind about serving the community. No wonder the bus's are empty the prices you are charging. It's cheaper to go by car with door to door service.
[quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester. First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer! Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you might like to try driving a bus for a few weeks, and then you might see why drivers are often short tempered. Although not an excuse, drivers are bombarded with abuse almost continuously from passengers who treat them like the dogs mess you would scrape off your shoe.. Drivers get a rough ride, with passengers giving them hell, kids constantly throwing objects at them, cars and lorries trying to put them off the road, and Management that will sack them at the slightest chance, and replace them for cheap immigrants instead. Drivers work long and anti-social hours, often to the detriment of their marriages. It is not a nice job, like in the past, when drivers were highly respected. Now the job is worse than a refuse collector, or sewer worker. The pay and conditions are poor, and you need to regularly put in 60 hours weeks, to even think about a living wage. Which probably explains why drivers are so miserable, they can't win what ever they do[/p][/quote]If you can't stand the pressure of being a bus driver leave let someone else do it.As other people has said the bus's never run on time. All ways one bus taken off throughout the day. All your drivers are interested in is your shares. Never mind about serving the community. No wonder the bus's are empty the prices you are charging. It's cheaper to go by car with door to door service. kevinchandler100@talktalk.net

3:42pm Wed 12 Feb 14

loosehead says...

sotonbusdriver wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
sotonbusdriver wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester.

First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer!

Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.
Perhaps you might like to try driving a bus for a few weeks, and then you might see why drivers are often short tempered.
Although not an excuse, drivers are bombarded with abuse almost continuously from passengers who treat them like the dogs mess you would scrape off your shoe..
Drivers get a rough ride, with passengers giving them hell, kids constantly throwing objects at them, cars and lorries trying to put them off the road, and Management that will sack them at the slightest chance, and replace them for cheap immigrants instead. Drivers work long and anti-social hours, often to the detriment of their marriages.
It is not a nice job, like in the past, when drivers were highly respected. Now the job is worse than a refuse collector, or sewer worker.
The pay and conditions are poor, and you need to regularly put in 60 hours weeks, to even think about a living wage.

Which probably explains why drivers are so miserable, they can't win what ever they do
resign??
RESIGN....

That is why the Company trains and replaces 35-40% of its drivers every year....

No-one wants to be abused, so after a short while they leave...

Leading to drivers bullied in to extra hours to cover, buses cut because there is no-one to drive it, drivers confused as they are new and been drop in the deep end.

Companies like First, need to look at the PO-OP they throw at their staff and improve the working hours and conditions as they are throwing away huge sums of money training for drivers to only leave in 12 months time... There are currently less than 15% of drivers at First that have done 10+ yrs service there. DISGUSTING really
At this moment it costs me £3,90 return trip on Bluestar & a monthly ticket costs over £50 could you tell me what the new monthly costs will be from Lowerbrowhill to town?
At £2 a return trip it will work out at £6 a week or £24 a month which is only £4 a month more than driving my car to town three times a week & will give me more time in the gym so if it's true I'll seriously consider getting the bus in future
[quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester. First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer! Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you might like to try driving a bus for a few weeks, and then you might see why drivers are often short tempered. Although not an excuse, drivers are bombarded with abuse almost continuously from passengers who treat them like the dogs mess you would scrape off your shoe.. Drivers get a rough ride, with passengers giving them hell, kids constantly throwing objects at them, cars and lorries trying to put them off the road, and Management that will sack them at the slightest chance, and replace them for cheap immigrants instead. Drivers work long and anti-social hours, often to the detriment of their marriages. It is not a nice job, like in the past, when drivers were highly respected. Now the job is worse than a refuse collector, or sewer worker. The pay and conditions are poor, and you need to regularly put in 60 hours weeks, to even think about a living wage. Which probably explains why drivers are so miserable, they can't win what ever they do[/p][/quote]resign??[/p][/quote]RESIGN.... That is why the Company trains and replaces 35-40% of its drivers every year.... No-one wants to be abused, so after a short while they leave... Leading to drivers bullied in to extra hours to cover, buses cut because there is no-one to drive it, drivers confused as they are new and been drop in the deep end. Companies like First, need to look at the PO-OP they throw at their staff and improve the working hours and conditions as they are throwing away huge sums of money training for drivers to only leave in 12 months time... There are currently less than 15% of drivers at First that have done 10+ yrs service there. DISGUSTING really[/p][/quote]At this moment it costs me £3,90 return trip on Bluestar & a monthly ticket costs over £50 could you tell me what the new monthly costs will be from Lowerbrowhill to town? At £2 a return trip it will work out at £6 a week or £24 a month which is only £4 a month more than driving my car to town three times a week & will give me more time in the gym so if it's true I'll seriously consider getting the bus in future loosehead

3:43pm Wed 12 Feb 14

loosehead says...

kevinchandler100@tal
ktalk.net
wrote:
sotonbusdriver wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester.

First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer!

Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.
Perhaps you might like to try driving a bus for a few weeks, and then you might see why drivers are often short tempered.
Although not an excuse, drivers are bombarded with abuse almost continuously from passengers who treat them like the dogs mess you would scrape off your shoe..
Drivers get a rough ride, with passengers giving them hell, kids constantly throwing objects at them, cars and lorries trying to put them off the road, and Management that will sack them at the slightest chance, and replace them for cheap immigrants instead. Drivers work long and anti-social hours, often to the detriment of their marriages.
It is not a nice job, like in the past, when drivers were highly respected. Now the job is worse than a refuse collector, or sewer worker.
The pay and conditions are poor, and you need to regularly put in 60 hours weeks, to even think about a living wage.

Which probably explains why drivers are so miserable, they can't win what ever they do
If you can't stand the pressure of being a bus driver leave let someone else do it.As other people has said the bus's never run on time. All ways one bus taken off throughout the day. All your drivers are interested in is your shares. Never mind about serving the community. No wonder the bus's are empty the prices you are charging. It's cheaper to go by car with door to door service.
first bus of course sorry
[quote][p][bold]kevinchandler100@tal ktalk.net[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester. First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer! Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you might like to try driving a bus for a few weeks, and then you might see why drivers are often short tempered. Although not an excuse, drivers are bombarded with abuse almost continuously from passengers who treat them like the dogs mess you would scrape off your shoe.. Drivers get a rough ride, with passengers giving them hell, kids constantly throwing objects at them, cars and lorries trying to put them off the road, and Management that will sack them at the slightest chance, and replace them for cheap immigrants instead. Drivers work long and anti-social hours, often to the detriment of their marriages. It is not a nice job, like in the past, when drivers were highly respected. Now the job is worse than a refuse collector, or sewer worker. The pay and conditions are poor, and you need to regularly put in 60 hours weeks, to even think about a living wage. Which probably explains why drivers are so miserable, they can't win what ever they do[/p][/quote]If you can't stand the pressure of being a bus driver leave let someone else do it.As other people has said the bus's never run on time. All ways one bus taken off throughout the day. All your drivers are interested in is your shares. Never mind about serving the community. No wonder the bus's are empty the prices you are charging. It's cheaper to go by car with door to door service.[/p][/quote]first bus of course sorry loosehead

4:40pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Lone Ranger. says...

C-O-Y-R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester.

First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer!

Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.
i live in sholing and a single
fair from town to sholing has NEVER cost £3.10.

as for drivers SHOUTING at you , if this was the case im sure you would be noting their numbers and reporting them...

but you wont have done this , because your posting is at worst made up, at best massively exaggerated.
Hey ....... dont spoil his schoolboy rant with the facts ...... It wont go down too well
[quote][p][bold]C-O-Y-R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester. First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer! Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.[/p][/quote]i live in sholing and a single fair from town to sholing has NEVER cost £3.10. as for drivers SHOUTING at you , if this was the case im sure you would be noting their numbers and reporting them... but you wont have done this , because your posting is at worst made up, at best massively exaggerated.[/p][/quote]Hey ....... dont spoil his schoolboy rant with the facts ...... It wont go down too well Lone Ranger.

4:50pm Wed 12 Feb 14

sotonboy84 says...

C-O-Y-R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester.

First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer!

Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.
i live in sholing and a single
fair from town to sholing has NEVER cost £3.10.

as for drivers SHOUTING at you , if this was the case im sure you would be noting their numbers and reporting them...

but you wont have done this , because your posting is at worst made up, at best massively exaggerated.
Well, considering I last caught the bus a week ago (to Sholing) and you evidently know more than what I was charged, next time you get the 4/4A/X4 from Castle Way to Pound Road, please let me know that you paid £3.10 so I can gloat at you being wrong.

(Try considering doing your homework and using punctuation and correct grammar next time you try to argue, thanks)
[quote][p][bold]C-O-Y-R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester. First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer! Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.[/p][/quote]i live in sholing and a single fair from town to sholing has NEVER cost £3.10. as for drivers SHOUTING at you , if this was the case im sure you would be noting their numbers and reporting them... but you wont have done this , because your posting is at worst made up, at best massively exaggerated.[/p][/quote]Well, considering I last caught the bus a week ago (to Sholing) and you evidently know more than what I was charged, next time you get the 4/4A/X4 from Castle Way to Pound Road, please let me know that you paid £3.10 so I can gloat at you being wrong. (Try considering doing your homework and using punctuation and correct grammar next time you try to argue, thanks) sotonboy84

4:52pm Wed 12 Feb 14

RealTalkSouthampton says...

Sounds like a step in the right direction. I also understand the frustration of bus users and drivers alike. Another point made about london transport and Oyster card. Well to wrap it all up we need an integrated transport system for south Hampshire. One oyster type card for bus,train and ferry. But lets not copy the Oyster card but make it suit our needs. The main issue is that south Hampshire is one of the most populated areas of the country but is also the most fragmented with no leadership.
Sounds like a step in the right direction. I also understand the frustration of bus users and drivers alike. Another point made about london transport and Oyster card. Well to wrap it all up we need an integrated transport system for south Hampshire. One oyster type card for bus,train and ferry. But lets not copy the Oyster card but make it suit our needs. The main issue is that south Hampshire is one of the most populated areas of the country but is also the most fragmented with no leadership. RealTalkSouthampton

4:53pm Wed 12 Feb 14

sotonboy84 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
C-O-Y-R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester.

First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer!

Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.
i live in sholing and a single
fair from town to sholing has NEVER cost £3.10.

as for drivers SHOUTING at you , if this was the case im sure you would be noting their numbers and reporting them...

but you wont have done this , because your posting is at worst made up, at best massively exaggerated.
Hey ....... dont spoil his schoolboy rant with the facts ...... It wont go down too well
What facts are they then?

You get your kicks out of disagreeing with almost every post on this website which only goes to prove what a sad and pathetic little person you are.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C-O-Y-R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester. First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer! Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.[/p][/quote]i live in sholing and a single fair from town to sholing has NEVER cost £3.10. as for drivers SHOUTING at you , if this was the case im sure you would be noting their numbers and reporting them... but you wont have done this , because your posting is at worst made up, at best massively exaggerated.[/p][/quote]Hey ....... dont spoil his schoolboy rant with the facts ...... It wont go down too well[/p][/quote]What facts are they then? You get your kicks out of disagreeing with almost every post on this website which only goes to prove what a sad and pathetic little person you are. sotonboy84

5:20pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Uni Bus got it stiched!
Uni Bus got it stiched! Fatty x Ford Worker

5:51pm Wed 12 Feb 14

so'tongirl says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
C-O-Y-R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester.

First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer!

Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.
i live in sholing and a single
fair from town to sholing has NEVER cost £3.10.

as for drivers SHOUTING at you , if this was the case im sure you would be noting their numbers and reporting them...

but you wont have done this , because your posting is at worst made up, at best massively exaggerated.
Well, considering I last caught the bus a week ago (to Sholing) and you evidently know more than what I was charged, next time you get the 4/4A/X4 from Castle Way to Pound Road, please let me know that you paid £3.10 so I can gloat at you being wrong.

(Try considering doing your homework and using punctuation and correct grammar next time you try to argue, thanks)
Pound Road?? Isn't that near The Plough Inn pub? Top Portsmouth road?
I didn't know that was sholing? Correct me if I'm wrong, which I'm sure all the do gooders will.
The number 4 buses are run from another depot nothin to do with Southampton first bus their prices are completely different!
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C-O-Y-R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester. First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer! Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.[/p][/quote]i live in sholing and a single fair from town to sholing has NEVER cost £3.10. as for drivers SHOUTING at you , if this was the case im sure you would be noting their numbers and reporting them... but you wont have done this , because your posting is at worst made up, at best massively exaggerated.[/p][/quote]Well, considering I last caught the bus a week ago (to Sholing) and you evidently know more than what I was charged, next time you get the 4/4A/X4 from Castle Way to Pound Road, please let me know that you paid £3.10 so I can gloat at you being wrong. (Try considering doing your homework and using punctuation and correct grammar next time you try to argue, thanks)[/p][/quote]Pound Road?? Isn't that near The Plough Inn pub? Top Portsmouth road? I didn't know that was sholing? Correct me if I'm wrong, which I'm sure all the do gooders will. The number 4 buses are run from another depot nothin to do with Southampton first bus their prices are completely different! so'tongirl

6:00pm Wed 12 Feb 14

KattiekinsSoton says...

Used bluestar yesterday morning for the first time in ages and was happy to see a smiling bus driver, a clean bus, a reasonable fare for going 5 stops up the avenue and a new system whereby there are electronic announcements to say which stops are next. Looks like Bluestar got in there FIRST again...if only they served the routes I normally travel!!
Used bluestar yesterday morning for the first time in ages and was happy to see a smiling bus driver, a clean bus, a reasonable fare for going 5 stops up the avenue and a new system whereby there are electronic announcements to say which stops are next. Looks like Bluestar got in there FIRST again...if only they served the routes I normally travel!! KattiekinsSoton

6:17pm Wed 12 Feb 14

so'tongirl says...

All the sparkly clean bluestar and unlink buses may get a little bit dirty soon if it's true their cleaners are my be going on strike .
All the sparkly clean bluestar and unlink buses may get a little bit dirty soon if it's true their cleaners are my be going on strike . so'tongirl

7:33pm Wed 12 Feb 14

C-O-Y-R says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
C-O-Y-R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester.

First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer!

Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.
i live in sholing and a single
fair from town to sholing has NEVER cost £3.10.

as for drivers SHOUTING at you , if this was the case im sure you would be noting their numbers and reporting them...

but you wont have done this , because your posting is at worst made up, at best massively exaggerated.
Well, considering I last caught the bus a week ago (to Sholing) and you evidently know more than what I was charged, next time you get the 4/4A/X4 from Castle Way to Pound Road, please let me know that you paid £3.10 so I can gloat at you being wrong.

(Try considering doing your homework and using punctuation and correct grammar next time you try to argue, thanks)
in bus fare terms castle way is NOT the city centre, and if you think Pound Road is in sholing then i think its YOU who needs to do some homework.

As for using punctuation and grammar , i dont actually need to because i just managed to make you look a complete tool without it.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C-O-Y-R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester. First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer! Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.[/p][/quote]i live in sholing and a single fair from town to sholing has NEVER cost £3.10. as for drivers SHOUTING at you , if this was the case im sure you would be noting their numbers and reporting them... but you wont have done this , because your posting is at worst made up, at best massively exaggerated.[/p][/quote]Well, considering I last caught the bus a week ago (to Sholing) and you evidently know more than what I was charged, next time you get the 4/4A/X4 from Castle Way to Pound Road, please let me know that you paid £3.10 so I can gloat at you being wrong. (Try considering doing your homework and using punctuation and correct grammar next time you try to argue, thanks)[/p][/quote]in bus fare terms castle way is NOT the city centre, and if you think Pound Road is in sholing then i think its YOU who needs to do some homework. As for using punctuation and grammar , i dont actually need to because i just managed to make you look a complete tool without it. C-O-Y-R

9:03pm Wed 12 Feb 14

loosehead says...

loosehead wrote:
kevinchandler100@tal

ktalk.net
wrote:
sotonbusdriver wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester.

First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer!

Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.
Perhaps you might like to try driving a bus for a few weeks, and then you might see why drivers are often short tempered.
Although not an excuse, drivers are bombarded with abuse almost continuously from passengers who treat them like the dogs mess you would scrape off your shoe..
Drivers get a rough ride, with passengers giving them hell, kids constantly throwing objects at them, cars and lorries trying to put them off the road, and Management that will sack them at the slightest chance, and replace them for cheap immigrants instead. Drivers work long and anti-social hours, often to the detriment of their marriages.
It is not a nice job, like in the past, when drivers were highly respected. Now the job is worse than a refuse collector, or sewer worker.
The pay and conditions are poor, and you need to regularly put in 60 hours weeks, to even think about a living wage.

Which probably explains why drivers are so miserable, they can't win what ever they do
If you can't stand the pressure of being a bus driver leave let someone else do it.As other people has said the bus's never run on time. All ways one bus taken off throughout the day. All your drivers are interested in is your shares. Never mind about serving the community. No wonder the bus's are empty the prices you are charging. It's cheaper to go by car with door to door service.
first bus of course sorry
sorry wrong post
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kevinchandler100@tal ktalk.net[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester. First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer! Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you might like to try driving a bus for a few weeks, and then you might see why drivers are often short tempered. Although not an excuse, drivers are bombarded with abuse almost continuously from passengers who treat them like the dogs mess you would scrape off your shoe.. Drivers get a rough ride, with passengers giving them hell, kids constantly throwing objects at them, cars and lorries trying to put them off the road, and Management that will sack them at the slightest chance, and replace them for cheap immigrants instead. Drivers work long and anti-social hours, often to the detriment of their marriages. It is not a nice job, like in the past, when drivers were highly respected. Now the job is worse than a refuse collector, or sewer worker. The pay and conditions are poor, and you need to regularly put in 60 hours weeks, to even think about a living wage. Which probably explains why drivers are so miserable, they can't win what ever they do[/p][/quote]If you can't stand the pressure of being a bus driver leave let someone else do it.As other people has said the bus's never run on time. All ways one bus taken off throughout the day. All your drivers are interested in is your shares. Never mind about serving the community. No wonder the bus's are empty the prices you are charging. It's cheaper to go by car with door to door service.[/p][/quote]first bus of course sorry[/p][/quote]sorry wrong post loosehead

9:05pm Wed 12 Feb 14

loosehead says...

RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
Sounds like a step in the right direction. I also understand the frustration of bus users and drivers alike. Another point made about london transport and Oyster card. Well to wrap it all up we need an integrated transport system for south Hampshire. One oyster type card for bus,train and ferry. But lets not copy the Oyster card but make it suit our needs. The main issue is that south Hampshire is one of the most populated areas of the country but is also the most fragmented with no leadership.
I have suggested just that in previous posts as I think it would help make the switch to the bus
[quote][p][bold]RealTalkSouthampton[/bold] wrote: Sounds like a step in the right direction. I also understand the frustration of bus users and drivers alike. Another point made about london transport and Oyster card. Well to wrap it all up we need an integrated transport system for south Hampshire. One oyster type card for bus,train and ferry. But lets not copy the Oyster card but make it suit our needs. The main issue is that south Hampshire is one of the most populated areas of the country but is also the most fragmented with no leadership.[/p][/quote]I have suggested just that in previous posts as I think it would help make the switch to the bus loosehead

9:07pm Wed 12 Feb 14

loosehead says...

so'tongirl wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
C-O-Y-R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester.

First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer!

Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.
i live in sholing and a single
fair from town to sholing has NEVER cost £3.10.

as for drivers SHOUTING at you , if this was the case im sure you would be noting their numbers and reporting them...

but you wont have done this , because your posting is at worst made up, at best massively exaggerated.
Well, considering I last caught the bus a week ago (to Sholing) and you evidently know more than what I was charged, next time you get the 4/4A/X4 from Castle Way to Pound Road, please let me know that you paid £3.10 so I can gloat at you being wrong.

(Try considering doing your homework and using punctuation and correct grammar next time you try to argue, thanks)
Pound Road?? Isn't that near The Plough Inn pub? Top Portsmouth road?
I didn't know that was sholing? Correct me if I'm wrong, which I'm sure all the do gooders will.
The number 4 buses are run from another depot nothin to do with Southampton first bus their prices are completely different!
there was/is a number 4 first bus in Shirley I don't know if or what route it does or did but up to a year ago it was running as I nearly got on it instead of the bluestar bus
[quote][p][bold]so'tongirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C-O-Y-R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester. First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer! Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.[/p][/quote]i live in sholing and a single fair from town to sholing has NEVER cost £3.10. as for drivers SHOUTING at you , if this was the case im sure you would be noting their numbers and reporting them... but you wont have done this , because your posting is at worst made up, at best massively exaggerated.[/p][/quote]Well, considering I last caught the bus a week ago (to Sholing) and you evidently know more than what I was charged, next time you get the 4/4A/X4 from Castle Way to Pound Road, please let me know that you paid £3.10 so I can gloat at you being wrong. (Try considering doing your homework and using punctuation and correct grammar next time you try to argue, thanks)[/p][/quote]Pound Road?? Isn't that near The Plough Inn pub? Top Portsmouth road? I didn't know that was sholing? Correct me if I'm wrong, which I'm sure all the do gooders will. The number 4 buses are run from another depot nothin to do with Southampton first bus their prices are completely different![/p][/quote]there was/is a number 4 first bus in Shirley I don't know if or what route it does or did but up to a year ago it was running as I nearly got on it instead of the bluestar bus loosehead

9:14pm Wed 12 Feb 14

loosehead says...

KattiekinsSoton wrote:
Used bluestar yesterday morning for the first time in ages and was happy to see a smiling bus driver, a clean bus, a reasonable fare for going 5 stops up the avenue and a new system whereby there are electronic announcements to say which stops are next. Looks like Bluestar got in there FIRST again...if only they served the routes I normally travel!!
do you call a return fare from top of Romsey Road( Lower Brownhill) To town at £3.90 a good deal?
my wife & I tried to use the bus when going to town but double the fare & it's £7.80 driving the car & parking in Asda Car park & it's only £2.0 so even with the petrol I use it's cheaper by car than bus.
Maybe putting a fixed low cost for all pass users then lowering all prices might get more of us using the busses ?
maybe then with less traffic on the road we won't have people blaming cruise ships for traffic jams?
I wonder how many people have got on a bus about 09.00 & have had to stand yet the bus is losing money?
[quote][p][bold]KattiekinsSoton[/bold] wrote: Used bluestar yesterday morning for the first time in ages and was happy to see a smiling bus driver, a clean bus, a reasonable fare for going 5 stops up the avenue and a new system whereby there are electronic announcements to say which stops are next. Looks like Bluestar got in there FIRST again...if only they served the routes I normally travel!![/p][/quote]do you call a return fare from top of Romsey Road( Lower Brownhill) To town at £3.90 a good deal? my wife & I tried to use the bus when going to town but double the fare & it's £7.80 driving the car & parking in Asda Car park & it's only £2.0 so even with the petrol I use it's cheaper by car than bus. Maybe putting a fixed low cost for all pass users then lowering all prices might get more of us using the busses ? maybe then with less traffic on the road we won't have people blaming cruise ships for traffic jams? I wonder how many people have got on a bus about 09.00 & have had to stand yet the bus is losing money? loosehead

9:27pm Wed 12 Feb 14

mandiekev says...

I live in bursledon and it's so much cheaper to use my car, what happened to affordable public transport ?
I live in bursledon and it's so much cheaper to use my car, what happened to affordable public transport ? mandiekev

11:21pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Service-defender says...

Buses are the reason why I walk whenever possible now.

Over priced, grumpy drivers and some of the people you see on the buses are either annoying or smelly.

I can see the poor drivers side of things though, I work in customer service and it's a horrible job at times but you do what you have too, to make a living.

It a two way thing though we as the public should respect the drivers serving us and drivers should make an effort to give great customer service.

If you have a complaint, get the buses details and inform the company.
Buses are the reason why I walk whenever possible now. Over priced, grumpy drivers and some of the people you see on the buses are either annoying or smelly. I can see the poor drivers side of things though, I work in customer service and it's a horrible job at times but you do what you have too, to make a living. It a two way thing though we as the public should respect the drivers serving us and drivers should make an effort to give great customer service. If you have a complaint, get the buses details and inform the company. Service-defender

11:46pm Wed 12 Feb 14

timewaster1 says...

By First dropping prices, is this a start of buses being axed because they are non profit making? This happened where I live. Admittedly the bus was subsidised by the council but, when the subsidy was reduced First axed the bus because it was not profitable. 6 months on Velvet have re-negotiated with the council and the bus returned with a cheaper bus fare. Velvet run their buses more as a service and not a business. I am really impressed with them. The drivers are friendly and the buses warm and clean. When they are short of drivers through illness etc, they send people out from the office rather than let people down. Even the boss isn't afraid of getting his hands dirty and he drives the buses so he can see what his drivers have to contend with. They are also rarely late. While the majority of the drivers on First were good (in my humble opinion) I don't think too much of the company. I am a regular bus user using it twice a day for at least 5 days a week, sometimes more.
By First dropping prices, is this a start of buses being axed because they are non profit making? This happened where I live. Admittedly the bus was subsidised by the council but, when the subsidy was reduced First axed the bus because it was not profitable. 6 months on Velvet have re-negotiated with the council and the bus returned with a cheaper bus fare. Velvet run their buses more as a service and not a business. I am really impressed with them. The drivers are friendly and the buses warm and clean. When they are short of drivers through illness etc, they send people out from the office rather than let people down. Even the boss isn't afraid of getting his hands dirty and he drives the buses so he can see what his drivers have to contend with. They are also rarely late. While the majority of the drivers on First were good (in my humble opinion) I don't think too much of the company. I am a regular bus user using it twice a day for at least 5 days a week, sometimes more. timewaster1

12:55am Thu 13 Feb 14

Dave Of The South says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Electronic announcement boards have been standard on London buses for a while now, so hardly cutting edge.

How about introducing an equivalent to London's Oyster Card?
In London, passengers put money on the card, which is money up front for TFL (Transport for London), who operate, what I believe is the only non privatised bus service in England. (And a very good service it is.)
In return, when the card is "touched" against the terminal on the bus, the passenger is rewarded for their up front investment, by paying a reduced fare, i.e. £1.40 instead of £2.80.
They are further rewarded by having a "cap" on the card, meaning they can use the card as many times as they want, during a 24 hour period, but never pay more than the capped figure (£8.80 I believe).
The buses also run quicker, as it takes a second to touch your card to the terminal, rather than the interminable amount of time it takes for some passengers to find their purse/wallet/change, and then wait for change and tickets to be issued.
On the buses for Oyster the cap is £4-40. TFL don't actually run the routes - they are operated under a sort of contract/licence scheme by various operators. London United, Stagecoach, Go Ahead group etc
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Electronic announcement boards have been standard on London buses for a while now, so hardly cutting edge. How about introducing an equivalent to London's Oyster Card? In London, passengers put money on the card, which is money up front for TFL (Transport for London), who operate, what I believe is the only non privatised bus service in England. (And a very good service it is.) In return, when the card is "touched" against the terminal on the bus, the passenger is rewarded for their up front investment, by paying a reduced fare, i.e. £1.40 instead of £2.80. They are further rewarded by having a "cap" on the card, meaning they can use the card as many times as they want, during a 24 hour period, but never pay more than the capped figure (£8.80 I believe). The buses also run quicker, as it takes a second to touch your card to the terminal, rather than the interminable amount of time it takes for some passengers to find their purse/wallet/change, and then wait for change and tickets to be issued.[/p][/quote]On the buses for Oyster the cap is £4-40. TFL don't actually run the routes - they are operated under a sort of contract/licence scheme by various operators. London United, Stagecoach, Go Ahead group etc Dave Of The South

12:58am Thu 13 Feb 14

Dave Of The South says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Electronic announcement boards have been standard on London buses for a while now, so hardly cutting edge.

How about introducing an equivalent to London's Oyster Card?
In London, passengers put money on the card, which is money up front for TFL (Transport for London), who operate, what I believe is the only non privatised bus service in England. (And a very good service it is.)
In return, when the card is "touched" against the terminal on the bus, the passenger is rewarded for their up front investment, by paying a reduced fare, i.e. £1.40 instead of £2.80.
They are further rewarded by having a "cap" on the card, meaning they can use the card as many times as they want, during a 24 hour period, but never pay more than the capped figure (£8.80 I believe).
The buses also run quicker, as it takes a second to touch your card to the terminal, rather than the interminable amount of time it takes for some passengers to find their purse/wallet/change, and then wait for change and tickets to be issued.
On the buses for Oyster the cap is £4-40. TFL don't actually run the routes - they are operated under a sort of contract/licence scheme by various operators. London United, Stagecoach, Go Ahead group etc
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Electronic announcement boards have been standard on London buses for a while now, so hardly cutting edge. How about introducing an equivalent to London's Oyster Card? In London, passengers put money on the card, which is money up front for TFL (Transport for London), who operate, what I believe is the only non privatised bus service in England. (And a very good service it is.) In return, when the card is "touched" against the terminal on the bus, the passenger is rewarded for their up front investment, by paying a reduced fare, i.e. £1.40 instead of £2.80. They are further rewarded by having a "cap" on the card, meaning they can use the card as many times as they want, during a 24 hour period, but never pay more than the capped figure (£8.80 I believe). The buses also run quicker, as it takes a second to touch your card to the terminal, rather than the interminable amount of time it takes for some passengers to find their purse/wallet/change, and then wait for change and tickets to be issued.[/p][/quote]On the buses for Oyster the cap is £4-40. TFL don't actually run the routes - they are operated under a sort of contract/licence scheme by various operators. London United, Stagecoach, Go Ahead group etc Dave Of The South

12:59am Thu 13 Feb 14

Dave Of The South says...

so'tongirl wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
C-O-Y-R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester.

First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer!

Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.
i live in sholing and a single
fair from town to sholing has NEVER cost £3.10.

as for drivers SHOUTING at you , if this was the case im sure you would be noting their numbers and reporting them...

but you wont have done this , because your posting is at worst made up, at best massively exaggerated.
Well, considering I last caught the bus a week ago (to Sholing) and you evidently know more than what I was charged, next time you get the 4/4A/X4 from Castle Way to Pound Road, please let me know that you paid £3.10 so I can gloat at you being wrong.

(Try considering doing your homework and using punctuation and correct grammar next time you try to argue, thanks)
Pound Road?? Isn't that near The Plough Inn pub? Top Portsmouth road?
I didn't know that was sholing? Correct me if I'm wrong, which I'm sure all the do gooders will.
The number 4 buses are run from another depot nothin to do with Southampton first bus their prices are completely different!
Still Firstbus & run to Southampton zone fares in this area
[quote][p][bold]so'tongirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C-O-Y-R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester. First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer! Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.[/p][/quote]i live in sholing and a single fair from town to sholing has NEVER cost £3.10. as for drivers SHOUTING at you , if this was the case im sure you would be noting their numbers and reporting them... but you wont have done this , because your posting is at worst made up, at best massively exaggerated.[/p][/quote]Well, considering I last caught the bus a week ago (to Sholing) and you evidently know more than what I was charged, next time you get the 4/4A/X4 from Castle Way to Pound Road, please let me know that you paid £3.10 so I can gloat at you being wrong. (Try considering doing your homework and using punctuation and correct grammar next time you try to argue, thanks)[/p][/quote]Pound Road?? Isn't that near The Plough Inn pub? Top Portsmouth road? I didn't know that was sholing? Correct me if I'm wrong, which I'm sure all the do gooders will. The number 4 buses are run from another depot nothin to do with Southampton first bus their prices are completely different![/p][/quote]Still Firstbus & run to Southampton zone fares in this area Dave Of The South

12:31pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Emmajnich01 says...

elvisimo wrote:
sotonbusdriver wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote: I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester. First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer! Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.
Perhaps you might like to try driving a bus for a few weeks, and then you might see why drivers are often short tempered. Although not an excuse, drivers are bombarded with abuse almost continuously from passengers who treat them like the dogs mess you would scrape off your shoe.. Drivers get a rough ride, with passengers giving them hell, kids constantly throwing objects at them, cars and lorries trying to put them off the road, and Management that will sack them at the slightest chance, and replace them for cheap immigrants instead. Drivers work long and anti-social hours, often to the detriment of their marriages. It is not a nice job, like in the past, when drivers were highly respected. Now the job is worse than a refuse collector, or sewer worker. The pay and conditions are poor, and you need to regularly put in 60 hours weeks, to even think about a living wage. Which probably explains why drivers are so miserable, they can't win what ever they do
resign??
Elvisimo are you just plain dumb?
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: I seldom use buses but when I do I'm always shocked at the prices. £3.10 single fare to get from the city centre to Sholing is almost the same as a train fare from Southampton to Winchester. First buses are dirty and often overcrowded with standing passengers finding it difficult not to fall over. The buses aren't on time or don't turn up and some drivers speak (or shout) to you like you should be grateful for the lift and not that you're a paying customer! Personally I choose Blue Line as their buses are cleaner, on time and I always find a seat.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you might like to try driving a bus for a few weeks, and then you might see why drivers are often short tempered. Although not an excuse, drivers are bombarded with abuse almost continuously from passengers who treat them like the dogs mess you would scrape off your shoe.. Drivers get a rough ride, with passengers giving them hell, kids constantly throwing objects at them, cars and lorries trying to put them off the road, and Management that will sack them at the slightest chance, and replace them for cheap immigrants instead. Drivers work long and anti-social hours, often to the detriment of their marriages. It is not a nice job, like in the past, when drivers were highly respected. Now the job is worse than a refuse collector, or sewer worker. The pay and conditions are poor, and you need to regularly put in 60 hours weeks, to even think about a living wage. Which probably explains why drivers are so miserable, they can't win what ever they do[/p][/quote]resign??[/p][/quote]Elvisimo are you just plain dumb? Emmajnich01

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