After her parents move back to Mexico Gabriella Montanez is found in London a year after going missing

Daily Echo: Despite a huge poocie search where has missing Gaby been for the last year? Despite a huge poocie search where has missing Gaby been for the last year?

IT WAS a search for a missing woman that cost thousands of pounds and involved hundreds of hours of police work by Hampshire officers.

Gabriella Montanez’s face was plastered on billboards across Southampton and London and several public appeals were launched, including desperate pleas from her heartbroken parents and an emotional video appeal by her devastated sister.

But yesterday that search came to an end after ten long months, with the good news that the 26-year-old Mexican woman had been found safe and well in the capital.

The Daily Echo understands that Gabriella, who was last seen at her home in Shirley last year, does not want the exact details of where she was found or what she was doing to be revealed.

Police said they were 'satisfied' with Gabriella's explanation for her disappearance although they confirmed she did not want it made public.

DI Phil Scrase said: "This has involved a great deal of hard work and dedication from those officers involved and we are all delighted that she has been found.

"Ultimately she is an adult and wishes to keep her private life private but we are satisfied though from meeting and speaking with her that she is safe and well."

Officers were drafted into action last May, when she went missing from her family home in Atherley Road, following an argument with her mum and dad.

Desperate for news of their daughter’s whereabouts, Martin and Ester spoke to the Daily Echo about their heartache and their fears that she could be in serious danger, begging anyone with information to come forward.

At the time her mum Esther, 51, said: “I am desperate and sad.

“Every time I wake up, I am sad that Gaby is not here. I just want her to come back home.”

Detectives leading the search for Gabriella, known as Gaby, started by following up 12 different sightings of her across the south of England, including London, Havant and Southampton.

Daily Echo:

But despite that and a team of officers carrying out inquiries locally, including house to house calls in the immediate neighbourhood where Gaby lives, she couldn’t be found.

Concerns quickly grew as the pretty brunette, who suffers from bi-polar, had left without any money, no bank card and left her passport behind.

As the family had only lived in Shirley for seven months, having moved to the UK from their home in Mexico to enable Martin to study for a PhD at Southampton University, she had no known friends.

Daily Echo:

But yesterday Hampshire police confirmed that Gaby had been found “safe and well” on Friday in London and that after speaking with her, are content that she is OK.

It is not known if her parents have been told but after returning to Mexico last year, detectives remained in regular contact with the family as the search continued.

A spokesperson from Hampshire Constabulary added: “Officers would like to thank the media for their assistance since last May with trying to locate Gabriella and also for the public for their response.”

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8:32am Tue 18 Mar 14

westhantsboy says...

Some people just don't want to be found. The fact she wants no details to be revealed as to where she has been says it all.
Some people just don't want to be found. The fact she wants no details to be revealed as to where she has been says it all. westhantsboy
  • Score: 17

8:43am Tue 18 Mar 14

southy says...

it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well
it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well southy
  • Score: 10

8:55am Tue 18 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

southy wrote:
it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well
This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well[/p][/quote]This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy! gilbertratchet
  • Score: 8

8:57am Tue 18 Mar 14

southy says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well
This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy!
careful you will end up being a socialist
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well[/p][/quote]This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy![/p][/quote]careful you will end up being a socialist southy
  • Score: 10

9:08am Tue 18 Mar 14

Big Mac says...

Primark?
Primark? Big Mac
  • Score: -3

9:14am Tue 18 Mar 14

Kingontail says...

come on echo milk it for all its worth. Must be another 3or 4 stories to come out of this.
come on echo milk it for all its worth. Must be another 3or 4 stories to come out of this. Kingontail
  • Score: 9

9:15am Tue 18 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well
This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy!
careful you will end up being a socialist
Heh, I actually do share some socialist views believe it or not.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well[/p][/quote]This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy![/p][/quote]careful you will end up being a socialist[/p][/quote]Heh, I actually do share some socialist views believe it or not. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 2

9:32am Tue 18 Mar 14

Fieldbean says...

What a relief for the family and everyone who was thinking about her.
What a relief for the family and everyone who was thinking about her. Fieldbean
  • Score: 6

9:36am Tue 18 Mar 14

southy says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well
This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy!
careful you will end up being a socialist
Heh, I actually do share some socialist views believe it or not.
Well in reality that is very common in the majority of people to be socialist, they are more socialist than they like to think they are, its just that capitalism is force on them all they time that they do not realise.
Greed is un-natural to the human race, humans are natural commune animals and that is sharing
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well[/p][/quote]This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy![/p][/quote]careful you will end up being a socialist[/p][/quote]Heh, I actually do share some socialist views believe it or not.[/p][/quote]Well in reality that is very common in the majority of people to be socialist, they are more socialist than they like to think they are, its just that capitalism is force on them all they time that they do not realise. Greed is un-natural to the human race, humans are natural commune animals and that is sharing southy
  • Score: 0

9:55am Tue 18 Mar 14

ToastyTea says...

The story yesterday was enough and a few funny comments from readers about where she has been should have been left there, it doesn't need you Echo making more of a deal about it, it's none of your business at the end of the day where she has been.
The story yesterday was enough and a few funny comments from readers about where she has been should have been left there, it doesn't need you Echo making more of a deal about it, it's none of your business at the end of the day where she has been. ToastyTea
  • Score: 3

10:21am Tue 18 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well
This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy!
careful you will end up being a socialist
Heh, I actually do share some socialist views believe it or not.
Well in reality that is very common in the majority of people to be socialist, they are more socialist than they like to think they are, its just that capitalism is force on them all they time that they do not realise.
Greed is un-natural to the human race, humans are natural commune animals and that is sharing
Up to a point. As part of a collective, they are naturally protective of shared resources.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well[/p][/quote]This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy![/p][/quote]careful you will end up being a socialist[/p][/quote]Heh, I actually do share some socialist views believe it or not.[/p][/quote]Well in reality that is very common in the majority of people to be socialist, they are more socialist than they like to think they are, its just that capitalism is force on them all they time that they do not realise. Greed is un-natural to the human race, humans are natural commune animals and that is sharing[/p][/quote]Up to a point. As part of a collective, they are naturally protective of shared resources. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 0

10:49am Tue 18 Mar 14

southy says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well
This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy!
careful you will end up being a socialist
Heh, I actually do share some socialist views believe it or not.
Well in reality that is very common in the majority of people to be socialist, they are more socialist than they like to think they are, its just that capitalism is force on them all they time that they do not realise.
Greed is un-natural to the human race, humans are natural commune animals and that is sharing
Up to a point. As part of a collective, they are naturally protective of shared resources.
That is true to a level, they will become protective when it being taking away by force, but in a commune it will even share with other communes.
Its like some people will give their last penny to help some one even if it means they will suffer because of it, but on the other hand if you try to take it way by force that last penny that same person will turn on you.
If we live in a real socialist world we would get to that state where governments would no longer be needed and there would be no wars
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well[/p][/quote]This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy![/p][/quote]careful you will end up being a socialist[/p][/quote]Heh, I actually do share some socialist views believe it or not.[/p][/quote]Well in reality that is very common in the majority of people to be socialist, they are more socialist than they like to think they are, its just that capitalism is force on them all they time that they do not realise. Greed is un-natural to the human race, humans are natural commune animals and that is sharing[/p][/quote]Up to a point. As part of a collective, they are naturally protective of shared resources.[/p][/quote]That is true to a level, they will become protective when it being taking away by force, but in a commune it will even share with other communes. Its like some people will give their last penny to help some one even if it means they will suffer because of it, but on the other hand if you try to take it way by force that last penny that same person will turn on you. If we live in a real socialist world we would get to that state where governments would no longer be needed and there would be no wars southy
  • Score: -3

11:12am Tue 18 Mar 14

MrBurntYoghurt says...

Huge Poocie search. '-'
Huge Poocie search. '-' MrBurntYoghurt
  • Score: -3

11:39am Tue 18 Mar 14

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well
This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy!
careful you will end up being a socialist
Heh, I actually do share some socialist views believe it or not.
Well in reality that is very common in the majority of people to be socialist, they are more socialist than they like to think they are, its just that capitalism is force on them all they time that they do not realise.
Greed is un-natural to the human race, humans are natural commune animals and that is sharing
Up to a point. As part of a collective, they are naturally protective of shared resources.
That is true to a level, they will become protective when it being taking away by force, but in a commune it will even share with other communes.
Its like some people will give their last penny to help some one even if it means they will suffer because of it, but on the other hand if you try to take it way by force that last penny that same person will turn on you.
If we live in a real socialist world we would get to that state where governments would no longer be needed and there would be no wars
.. nope, that's not socialism; that's anarchism - there is a BIG difference..
Socialism is all about 'The State' and it's control of production distribution and consumption.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well[/p][/quote]This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy![/p][/quote]careful you will end up being a socialist[/p][/quote]Heh, I actually do share some socialist views believe it or not.[/p][/quote]Well in reality that is very common in the majority of people to be socialist, they are more socialist than they like to think they are, its just that capitalism is force on them all they time that they do not realise. Greed is un-natural to the human race, humans are natural commune animals and that is sharing[/p][/quote]Up to a point. As part of a collective, they are naturally protective of shared resources.[/p][/quote]That is true to a level, they will become protective when it being taking away by force, but in a commune it will even share with other communes. Its like some people will give their last penny to help some one even if it means they will suffer because of it, but on the other hand if you try to take it way by force that last penny that same person will turn on you. If we live in a real socialist world we would get to that state where governments would no longer be needed and there would be no wars[/p][/quote].. nope, that's not socialism; that's anarchism - there is a BIG difference.. Socialism is all about 'The State' and it's control of production distribution and consumption. freefinker
  • Score: -3

12:04pm Tue 18 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well
This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy!
careful you will end up being a socialist
Heh, I actually do share some socialist views believe it or not.
Well in reality that is very common in the majority of people to be socialist, they are more socialist than they like to think they are, its just that capitalism is force on them all they time that they do not realise.
Greed is un-natural to the human race, humans are natural commune animals and that is sharing
Up to a point. As part of a collective, they are naturally protective of shared resources.
That is true to a level, they will become protective when it being taking away by force, but in a commune it will even share with other communes.
Its like some people will give their last penny to help some one even if it means they will suffer because of it, but on the other hand if you try to take it way by force that last penny that same person will turn on you.
If we live in a real socialist world we would get to that state where governments would no longer be needed and there would be no wars
Not socialism.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well[/p][/quote]This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy![/p][/quote]careful you will end up being a socialist[/p][/quote]Heh, I actually do share some socialist views believe it or not.[/p][/quote]Well in reality that is very common in the majority of people to be socialist, they are more socialist than they like to think they are, its just that capitalism is force on them all they time that they do not realise. Greed is un-natural to the human race, humans are natural commune animals and that is sharing[/p][/quote]Up to a point. As part of a collective, they are naturally protective of shared resources.[/p][/quote]That is true to a level, they will become protective when it being taking away by force, but in a commune it will even share with other communes. Its like some people will give their last penny to help some one even if it means they will suffer because of it, but on the other hand if you try to take it way by force that last penny that same person will turn on you. If we live in a real socialist world we would get to that state where governments would no longer be needed and there would be no wars[/p][/quote]Not socialism. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 3

12:07pm Tue 18 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well
This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy!
careful you will end up being a socialist
Heh, I actually do share some socialist views believe it or not.
Well in reality that is very common in the majority of people to be socialist, they are more socialist than they like to think they are, its just that capitalism is force on them all they time that they do not realise.
Greed is un-natural to the human race, humans are natural commune animals and that is sharing
Up to a point. As part of a collective, they are naturally protective of shared resources.
That is true to a level, they will become protective when it being taking away by force, but in a commune it will even share with other communes.
Its like some people will give their last penny to help some one even if it means they will suffer because of it, but on the other hand if you try to take it way by force that last penny that same person will turn on you.
If we live in a real socialist world we would get to that state where governments would no longer be needed and there would be no wars
.. nope, that's not socialism; that's anarchism - there is a BIG difference..
Socialism is all about 'The State' and it's control of production distribution and consumption.
Beat me to it!

I'm loathe to bash him in what's really a harmonious thread, but southy has long been - wrongly - of the opinion that "capitalism" and "socialism" are polar opposite, mutually exclusive and the only two possible political stances in existence.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well[/p][/quote]This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy![/p][/quote]careful you will end up being a socialist[/p][/quote]Heh, I actually do share some socialist views believe it or not.[/p][/quote]Well in reality that is very common in the majority of people to be socialist, they are more socialist than they like to think they are, its just that capitalism is force on them all they time that they do not realise. Greed is un-natural to the human race, humans are natural commune animals and that is sharing[/p][/quote]Up to a point. As part of a collective, they are naturally protective of shared resources.[/p][/quote]That is true to a level, they will become protective when it being taking away by force, but in a commune it will even share with other communes. Its like some people will give their last penny to help some one even if it means they will suffer because of it, but on the other hand if you try to take it way by force that last penny that same person will turn on you. If we live in a real socialist world we would get to that state where governments would no longer be needed and there would be no wars[/p][/quote].. nope, that's not socialism; that's anarchism - there is a BIG difference.. Socialism is all about 'The State' and it's control of production distribution and consumption.[/p][/quote]Beat me to it! I'm loathe to bash him in what's really a harmonious thread, but southy has long been - wrongly - of the opinion that "capitalism" and "socialism" are polar opposite, mutually exclusive and the only two possible political stances in existence. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 2

12:50pm Tue 18 Mar 14

southy says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well
This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy!
careful you will end up being a socialist
Heh, I actually do share some socialist views believe it or not.
Well in reality that is very common in the majority of people to be socialist, they are more socialist than they like to think they are, its just that capitalism is force on them all they time that they do not realise.
Greed is un-natural to the human race, humans are natural commune animals and that is sharing
Up to a point. As part of a collective, they are naturally protective of shared resources.
That is true to a level, they will become protective when it being taking away by force, but in a commune it will even share with other communes.
Its like some people will give their last penny to help some one even if it means they will suffer because of it, but on the other hand if you try to take it way by force that last penny that same person will turn on you.
If we live in a real socialist world we would get to that state where governments would no longer be needed and there would be no wars
.. nope, that's not socialism; that's anarchism - there is a BIG difference..
Socialism is all about 'The State' and it's control of production distribution and consumption.
Beat me to it!

I'm loathe to bash him in what's really a harmonious thread, but southy has long been - wrongly - of the opinion that "capitalism" and "socialism" are polar opposite, mutually exclusive and the only two possible political stances in existence.
You are wrong its not anarchism at all, anarchism will take you there with out any method, Socialism will take you to a government free world though its stages laws and rules for people to use need to be set in place before that could happen and to get there it will take 100's of years, anarchism will take you there in the shortest route possible very disruptive,
There is only two systems Capitalism the greed and war monger machine or Socialism sharing and a peaceful meaning, each have many different branches to take, and going though state capitalism is just one way into socialism from capitalism, the co-op work place and community is where we need to head to this is the system where you end up having no governments, every one would have responsibility every would have a say, the people as a whole would be the government
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well[/p][/quote]This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy![/p][/quote]careful you will end up being a socialist[/p][/quote]Heh, I actually do share some socialist views believe it or not.[/p][/quote]Well in reality that is very common in the majority of people to be socialist, they are more socialist than they like to think they are, its just that capitalism is force on them all they time that they do not realise. Greed is un-natural to the human race, humans are natural commune animals and that is sharing[/p][/quote]Up to a point. As part of a collective, they are naturally protective of shared resources.[/p][/quote]That is true to a level, they will become protective when it being taking away by force, but in a commune it will even share with other communes. Its like some people will give their last penny to help some one even if it means they will suffer because of it, but on the other hand if you try to take it way by force that last penny that same person will turn on you. If we live in a real socialist world we would get to that state where governments would no longer be needed and there would be no wars[/p][/quote].. nope, that's not socialism; that's anarchism - there is a BIG difference.. Socialism is all about 'The State' and it's control of production distribution and consumption.[/p][/quote]Beat me to it! I'm loathe to bash him in what's really a harmonious thread, but southy has long been - wrongly - of the opinion that "capitalism" and "socialism" are polar opposite, mutually exclusive and the only two possible political stances in existence.[/p][/quote]You are wrong its not anarchism at all, anarchism will take you there with out any method, Socialism will take you to a government free world though its stages laws and rules for people to use need to be set in place before that could happen and to get there it will take 100's of years, anarchism will take you there in the shortest route possible very disruptive, There is only two systems Capitalism the greed and war monger machine or Socialism sharing and a peaceful meaning, each have many different branches to take, and going though state capitalism is just one way into socialism from capitalism, the co-op work place and community is where we need to head to this is the system where you end up having no governments, every one would have responsibility every would have a say, the people as a whole would be the government southy
  • Score: -4

1:08pm Tue 18 Mar 14

hulla baloo says...

Got to hand it to Southy, He has the ability to turn any subject into a socialism/capitalism debate.
Got to hand it to Southy, He has the ability to turn any subject into a socialism/capitalism debate. hulla baloo
  • Score: 6

2:12pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Zexagon says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well
This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy!
careful you will end up being a socialist
Heh, I actually do share some socialist views believe it or not.
Can we announce your engagement?
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well[/p][/quote]This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy![/p][/quote]careful you will end up being a socialist[/p][/quote]Heh, I actually do share some socialist views believe it or not.[/p][/quote]Can we announce your engagement? Zexagon
  • Score: 0

2:42pm Tue 18 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well
This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy!
careful you will end up being a socialist
Heh, I actually do share some socialist views believe it or not.
Well in reality that is very common in the majority of people to be socialist, they are more socialist than they like to think they are, its just that capitalism is force on them all they time that they do not realise.
Greed is un-natural to the human race, humans are natural commune animals and that is sharing
Up to a point. As part of a collective, they are naturally protective of shared resources.
That is true to a level, they will become protective when it being taking away by force, but in a commune it will even share with other communes.
Its like some people will give their last penny to help some one even if it means they will suffer because of it, but on the other hand if you try to take it way by force that last penny that same person will turn on you.
If we live in a real socialist world we would get to that state where governments would no longer be needed and there would be no wars
.. nope, that's not socialism; that's anarchism - there is a BIG difference..
Socialism is all about 'The State' and it's control of production distribution and consumption.
Beat me to it!

I'm loathe to bash him in what's really a harmonious thread, but southy has long been - wrongly - of the opinion that "capitalism" and "socialism" are polar opposite, mutually exclusive and the only two possible political stances in existence.
You are wrong its not anarchism at all, anarchism will take you there with out any method, Socialism will take you to a government free world though its stages laws and rules for people to use need to be set in place before that could happen and to get there it will take 100's of years, anarchism will take you there in the shortest route possible very disruptive,
There is only two systems Capitalism the greed and war monger machine or Socialism sharing and a peaceful meaning, each have many different branches to take, and going though state capitalism is just one way into socialism from capitalism, the co-op work place and community is where we need to head to this is the system where you end up having no governments, every one would have responsibility every would have a say, the people as a whole would be the government
This, I fear, is the fundamental misunderstanding you labour under, that causes all your strife.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: it don't matter how much it cost what matters is that she been found safe and well[/p][/quote]This would be one of those rare instances where we agree, southy![/p][/quote]careful you will end up being a socialist[/p][/quote]Heh, I actually do share some socialist views believe it or not.[/p][/quote]Well in reality that is very common in the majority of people to be socialist, they are more socialist than they like to think they are, its just that capitalism is force on them all they time that they do not realise. Greed is un-natural to the human race, humans are natural commune animals and that is sharing[/p][/quote]Up to a point. As part of a collective, they are naturally protective of shared resources.[/p][/quote]That is true to a level, they will become protective when it being taking away by force, but in a commune it will even share with other communes. Its like some people will give their last penny to help some one even if it means they will suffer because of it, but on the other hand if you try to take it way by force that last penny that same person will turn on you. If we live in a real socialist world we would get to that state where governments would no longer be needed and there would be no wars[/p][/quote].. nope, that's not socialism; that's anarchism - there is a BIG difference.. Socialism is all about 'The State' and it's control of production distribution and consumption.[/p][/quote]Beat me to it! I'm loathe to bash him in what's really a harmonious thread, but southy has long been - wrongly - of the opinion that "capitalism" and "socialism" are polar opposite, mutually exclusive and the only two possible political stances in existence.[/p][/quote]You are wrong its not anarchism at all, anarchism will take you there with out any method, Socialism will take you to a government free world though its stages laws and rules for people to use need to be set in place before that could happen and to get there it will take 100's of years, anarchism will take you there in the shortest route possible very disruptive, There is only two systems Capitalism the greed and war monger machine or Socialism sharing and a peaceful meaning, each have many different branches to take, and going though state capitalism is just one way into socialism from capitalism, the co-op work place and community is where we need to head to this is the system where you end up having no governments, every one would have responsibility every would have a say, the people as a whole would be the government[/p][/quote]This, I fear, is the fundamental misunderstanding you labour under, that causes all your strife. gilbertratchet
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5:59am Wed 19 Mar 14

skeptik says...

Most of us start out with socialist tendencies, then we sway towards liberalism, as the value of what we own increases we become capitalist Tories, now of an age where life is reasonably comfortable due to a lifetime of toil - I detest all politicians and their lies equally.
Most of us start out with socialist tendencies, then we sway towards liberalism, as the value of what we own increases we become capitalist Tories, now of an age where life is reasonably comfortable due to a lifetime of toil - I detest all politicians and their lies equally. skeptik
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8:57am Wed 19 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

skeptik wrote:
Most of us start out with socialist tendencies, then we sway towards liberalism, as the value of what we own increases we become capitalist Tories, now of an age where life is reasonably comfortable due to a lifetime of toil - I detest all politicians and their lies equally.
"The man who is not a liberal in his twenties has no heart. The man who is not a conservative by his forties has no brain"
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: Most of us start out with socialist tendencies, then we sway towards liberalism, as the value of what we own increases we become capitalist Tories, now of an age where life is reasonably comfortable due to a lifetime of toil - I detest all politicians and their lies equally.[/p][/quote]"The man who is not a liberal in his twenties has no heart. The man who is not a conservative by his forties has no brain" gilbertratchet
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11:44am Fri 21 Mar 14

Peter2013 says...

Now police know where she is, however, her family does not know what she is doing for a living, how she managed with immigration. Police is egotistically happy but her family is still in anguish
Now police know where she is, however, her family does not know what she is doing for a living, how she managed with immigration. Police is egotistically happy but her family is still in anguish Peter2013
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11:46am Fri 21 Mar 14

Peter2013 says...

They found the girl just because an incident but the police did not do anything.
They found the girl just because an incident but the police did not do anything. Peter2013
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11:50am Fri 21 Mar 14

Peter2013 says...

The girl is still missing for her family and she is still in danger. You never know if she is really "safe and sound" What about if she is a pusher, a prostitute...Police want her to manipulate her and take advantage of her immigration condition. Remember she does not have a passport as they say she leaved the parents home without any ID.
The girl is still missing for her family and she is still in danger. You never know if she is really "safe and sound" What about if she is a pusher, a prostitute...Police want her to manipulate her and take advantage of her immigration condition. Remember she does not have a passport as they say she leaved the parents home without any ID. Peter2013
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11:56am Fri 21 Mar 14

Peter2013 says...

Poor girl, police as corrupt as they are, can do anything with her due to her immigration situation. They can negotiate with her to be a snitch just to avoid to be deported or arrested...in the meantime they take advantage of her international appearance and her bilingual skills. Police officers are really ignorant, they scarcely speak a proper English.
Poor girl, police as corrupt as they are, can do anything with her due to her immigration situation. They can negotiate with her to be a snitch just to avoid to be deported or arrested...in the meantime they take advantage of her international appearance and her bilingual skills. Police officers are really ignorant, they scarcely speak a proper English. Peter2013
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