Final planning application to be submitted this month for Southampton's Watermark WestQuay development

Watermark WestQuay, looking south along what is currently Western Esplanade

Watermark WestQuay, looking south along what is currently Western Esplanade

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It is the vision for a neglected part of Southampton’s city centre.

A luxury ten-screen cinema, bowling alley and a row of posh restaurants and bars tower over innovative public areas designed to resemble the Hampshire coastline.

The Watermark WestQuay site could be transformed from a derelict wasteland into a thriving leisure complex by the end of 2016, if a last set of plans are approved.

The Daily Echo can exclusively reveal the latest images for the £70m project as developer Hammerson prepares to hand in detailed design plans to the city council.

We can also reveal today some of the names that could be setting up within the new development.

Hammerson and architects ACME have fine-tuned proposals for the public areas to boast innovative water features.

A new piazza will run alongside the medieval city walls, and its design has been inspired by the water pools created by mudflats on the Hampshire coastline.

There will be a water feature that ebbs and flows like the tide, and recedes to create pools of water.

Daily Echo: The planned Piazza

Daily Echo: What it looks like today

It is hoped that the piazza will be able to host outdoor events.

Towering over it are upper and lower level promenades.

The top level will host a ten-screen luxury cinema and leisure space that could house a bowling alley. Hammerson is currently locked in discussions with potential operators for both venues.

Below them will be a row of up to 20 restaurants and bars.

The developer is talking to a number of operators, and Jamie Oliver’s chain Jamie’s, Mexican market eatery Wahaca and gourmet burger joints Byron and Five Guys are among those that could be opening up.

Bosses at Hammerson say construction could start at the end of the year with the first phase complete by the end of 2016.

It is expected to create 500 construction jobs and the same number of permanent posts once it is open.

It is then expected to be followed by the second phase, which would feature a hotel, a mix of retail and office space, an underground car park and a residential tower block that could be as high as 27 storeys.

Daily Echo: The site today

Daily Echo: What it is expected to look like

Plans to develop the derelict four-acre site next door to the WestQuay Shopping Centre, which is owned by Hammerson, surfaced more than five years ago but have suffered a series of frustrating delays.

But last year the city council granted outline planning permission for the development, and Hammerson is now set to hand in its final proposals after the Government approved a £7m grant to get the project running.

The application for the first phase will focus on the architectural details, landscaping design and proposed materials.

The developer will have to hand in a detailed planning application for phase two to the council, and if that is approved it is expected to be completed within 18 months of the first phase.

Hammerson’s development manager, Guy Wells, said: “We are hugely excited to be handing in the final plans, particularly after the positive feedback we got from residents.

“The team have worked hard with stakeholders over the past nine months to create a scheme which is unique to Southampton and celebrates the city’s historic walls and its maritime location.”

Council chiefs view the Royal Pier as a major part of the jigsaw to transform the city centre.

Labour council leader Simon Letts says he hopes the new Watermark development will link the city centre and the proposed Royal Pier development on the waterfront.

He said: “It is really exciting to see the next stage of Watermark WestQuay coming forward – with its entertainment complex of a cinema, bars, restaurants and most importantly the high |quality public realm, it is at the forefront of our vision for the city.

“We want to make the area a place that people will want to congregate and spend time in.”

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6:33am Thu 10 Apr 14

issacchunt says...

"site could be transformed from a derelict wasteland" quote of typical echo bull. The echo said the same thing when the very much loved (by the echo) university built 360 flats with no parking on swaythlings car park.

it was niether derelict or wasteland, now no youth club or council offices but good print for the echo if you don't know the truth. we need competition for this paper, it can minipulate any story as it wishes as we only get the echo's often mis-leading slant on things.
"site could be transformed from a derelict wasteland" quote of typical echo bull. The echo said the same thing when the very much loved (by the echo) university built 360 flats with no parking on swaythlings car park. it was niether derelict or wasteland, now no youth club or council offices but good print for the echo if you don't know the truth. we need competition for this paper, it can minipulate any story as it wishes as we only get the echo's often mis-leading slant on things. issacchunt
  • Score: 15

7:44am Thu 10 Apr 14

kevinchandler100@talktalk.net says...

£70m and still no ice rink. It would be a good location handy for trains ,buses coaches ferries.
£70m and still no ice rink. It would be a good location handy for trains ,buses coaches ferries. kevinchandler100@talktalk.net
  • Score: 29

7:55am Thu 10 Apr 14

loosehead says...

I hope the walls are lit up at night & made an attraction.
I hope the walls are lit up at night & made an attraction. loosehead
  • Score: 37

8:01am Thu 10 Apr 14

Sherr93 says...

Absolute rubbish!
There are two cinema's within walking distance... Not sure we need another one! Theres plenty of bars and restuaruants in walking distance and chances are it will all be the same chains anyway! Nothing different!
These people havent got a clue, they should be looking at what the people want! Because those people are the ones that are going to be paying for the place in the long run!
I think many many people have been expecting an ice rink!
Absolute rubbish! There are two cinema's within walking distance... Not sure we need another one! Theres plenty of bars and restuaruants in walking distance and chances are it will all be the same chains anyway! Nothing different! These people havent got a clue, they should be looking at what the people want! Because those people are the ones that are going to be paying for the place in the long run! I think many many people have been expecting an ice rink! Sherr93
  • Score: 36

8:06am Thu 10 Apr 14

Danae says...

Echo:
Headline 1st word, delete 'Final'; 3rd word, delete 'permission' insert 'application'.
Echo: Headline 1st word, delete 'Final'; 3rd word, delete 'permission' insert 'application'. Danae
  • Score: 5

8:19am Thu 10 Apr 14

Norwegian Saint says...

I think it looks really good but surely the city will need park n ride to stop even bigger congestion?
I think it looks really good but surely the city will need park n ride to stop even bigger congestion? Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 43

8:35am Thu 10 Apr 14

bigfella777 says...

Hooray! More traffic that's what we need and lots more minimum wage skivvy jobs.
If this a sports facility I would be all for it, instead more shops, more cinemas, bowling and anything else that makes big corps piles of cash.
Hooray! More traffic that's what we need and lots more minimum wage skivvy jobs. If this a sports facility I would be all for it, instead more shops, more cinemas, bowling and anything else that makes big corps piles of cash. bigfella777
  • Score: 18

8:46am Thu 10 Apr 14

Terry_Nutkins says...

Cinemas? Hmmmm! A food village/quarter a bit like Festival Place in Basingstoke would be a good move as long as it's not as overpriced as everything else in So'ton as, despite what the council think, Southampton residents aren't really that flush bar a select few who hang out on their yachts and probably live outside the city in the New Forest.

Still, better plans than usual and someone finally realising the huge need to link the waterfront with the town centre....only taken a few decades to realise that but still, every cloud......
Cinemas? Hmmmm! A food village/quarter a bit like Festival Place in Basingstoke would be a good move as long as it's not as overpriced as everything else in So'ton as, despite what the council think, Southampton residents aren't really that flush bar a select few who hang out on their yachts and probably live outside the city in the New Forest. Still, better plans than usual and someone finally realising the huge need to link the waterfront with the town centre....only taken a few decades to realise that but still, every cloud...... Terry_Nutkins
  • Score: 8

8:46am Thu 10 Apr 14

RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE says...

Looks great can't wait for it to be built !!!
Looks great can't wait for it to be built !!! RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE
  • Score: 12

8:54am Thu 10 Apr 14

The Wrinkled Retainer says...

"A water feature that ebbs and flows like the tide". The more observant may have noticed that there is already one of these called the River Test fairly close by.

Unfortunately, however, development has now all but cut off the town wall from the original waterfront to the point where there is now no connection between the mediaeval town and the sea, which is the main reason for its existence. The idea of creating a waterfront theme park to somehow compensate for this is typical of a local authority who has completely turned its back on the rich (mainly city council owned) heritage that it actually has to try and impose a simplified and sterlised version that bears little resemblance to historical accuracy.

The only way to present the wealth of historic monuments in Southampton to the public is to work with them rather than turning your back on them and trying to compensate for the lack of vision with a bit of soft landscaping.

Still, it could be worse, they could want to re-name the High Street and Above Bar after a ship that was flogged off to Dubai to be used as a floating hotel.....oh hang on. Ice Rink anyone?
"A water feature that ebbs and flows like the tide". The more observant may have noticed that there is already one of these called the River Test fairly close by. Unfortunately, however, development has now all but cut off the town wall from the original waterfront to the point where there is now no connection between the mediaeval town and the sea, which is the main reason for its existence. The idea of creating a waterfront theme park to somehow compensate for this is typical of a local authority who has completely turned its back on the rich (mainly city council owned) heritage that it actually has to try and impose a simplified and sterlised version that bears little resemblance to historical accuracy. The only way to present the wealth of historic monuments in Southampton to the public is to work with them rather than turning your back on them and trying to compensate for the lack of vision with a bit of soft landscaping. Still, it could be worse, they could want to re-name the High Street and Above Bar after a ship that was flogged off to Dubai to be used as a floating hotel.....oh hang on. Ice Rink anyone? The Wrinkled Retainer
  • Score: 11

8:56am Thu 10 Apr 14

wwozzer says...

Simon Letts is a bloody fool.

We have no need for this. There are already two multi screen cinemas within walking distance There is already a huge retail space right next door and we certainly don't need any more bars and restaurants, as for the water feature depicting the coast line that's a pretty good idea because the rate this city is being over developed we'll need it to remind us what it once looked like.

The infrastructure is already creaking to the extent that we're asked to stay out of the city when a boat comes in, imagine the traffic chaos when the pier is developed and the luxury shoe boxes are finished at ocean village, the congestion will be truly biblical....and they want to knock this up too?

Stop being seduced by concrete junkies with pension funds to invest and getting your greedy little hands on more business rates, start thinking about the people who live here.

It looks like mayflower park is going to disappear under a "stunning new vision for gambling"" pretty soon so why not turn this space into a public space like a park?
Simon Letts is a bloody fool. We have no need for this. There are already two multi screen cinemas within walking distance There is already a huge retail space right next door and we certainly don't need any more bars and restaurants, as for the water feature depicting the coast line that's a pretty good idea because the rate this city is being over developed we'll need it to remind us what it once looked like. The infrastructure is already creaking to the extent that we're asked to stay out of the city when a boat comes in, imagine the traffic chaos when the pier is developed and the luxury shoe boxes are finished at ocean village, the congestion will be truly biblical....and they want to knock this up too? Stop being seduced by concrete junkies with pension funds to invest and getting your greedy little hands on more business rates, start thinking about the people who live here. It looks like mayflower park is going to disappear under a "stunning new vision for gambling"" pretty soon so why not turn this space into a public space like a park? wwozzer
  • Score: 14

9:00am Thu 10 Apr 14

forestman says...

Don't need another bowling alley or cinema.

Do need indoor exhibition hall for events, concerts, sporting events, boatshow etc. (could even be a temp ice rink at certain times of the year)

This would then be a feeder for all the shops, restaurants, hotels and the city as a whole.

Very small sighted plans and a big opportunity missed - again !!!!
Don't need another bowling alley or cinema. Do need indoor exhibition hall for events, concerts, sporting events, boatshow etc. (could even be a temp ice rink at certain times of the year) This would then be a feeder for all the shops, restaurants, hotels and the city as a whole. Very small sighted plans and a big opportunity missed - again !!!! forestman
  • Score: 42

9:03am Thu 10 Apr 14

Zootopian says...

issacchunt wrote:
"site could be transformed from a derelict wasteland" quote of typical echo bull. The echo said the same thing when the very much loved (by the echo) university built 360 flats with no parking on swaythlings car park.

it was niether derelict or wasteland, now no youth club or council offices but good print for the echo if you don't know the truth. we need competition for this paper, it can minipulate any story as it wishes as we only get the echo's often mis-leading slant on things.
So the former Pirelli site, whcich as been empty ground for years is not wasteland? What is it then? A garden paradise?

It's wasteland - land going to waste. The Echo is not misleading anything or anyone - you're just being moronic.
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: "site could be transformed from a derelict wasteland" quote of typical echo bull. The echo said the same thing when the very much loved (by the echo) university built 360 flats with no parking on swaythlings car park. it was niether derelict or wasteland, now no youth club or council offices but good print for the echo if you don't know the truth. we need competition for this paper, it can minipulate any story as it wishes as we only get the echo's often mis-leading slant on things.[/p][/quote]So the former Pirelli site, whcich as been empty ground for years is not wasteland? What is it then? A garden paradise? It's wasteland - land going to waste. The Echo is not misleading anything or anyone - you're just being moronic. Zootopian
  • Score: 11

9:06am Thu 10 Apr 14

Zootopian says...

Danae wrote:
Echo:
Headline 1st word, delete 'Final'; 3rd word, delete 'permission' insert 'application'.
This is the final planning application though - they already ready have outline planning permission. Once this one is approved, they don't need anything more (unless they change anything in the plans).
[quote][p][bold]Danae[/bold] wrote: Echo: Headline 1st word, delete 'Final'; 3rd word, delete 'permission' insert 'application'.[/p][/quote]This is the final planning application though - they already ready have outline planning permission. Once this one is approved, they don't need anything more (unless they change anything in the plans). Zootopian
  • Score: 1

9:10am Thu 10 Apr 14

FreemantleJamez says...

Looks pretty good overall, I presume it will be linked to the existing centre. Southampton has a shortage of restaurants which are open in the evenings compared to Gunwharf Quays. An Ice rink would have been nice but perhaps that could be built on the old city depot site instead? However I think the railings should be kept along the city walls otherwise they will be an easy target for vandalism.
Looks pretty good overall, I presume it will be linked to the existing centre. Southampton has a shortage of restaurants which are open in the evenings compared to Gunwharf Quays. An Ice rink would have been nice but perhaps that could be built on the old city depot site instead? However I think the railings should be kept along the city walls otherwise they will be an easy target for vandalism. FreemantleJamez
  • Score: 4

9:17am Thu 10 Apr 14

Zeo says...

And where is the new railway? P&R? dedicated tram line? Road Upgrades? Parking?
And where is the new railway? P&R? dedicated tram line? Road Upgrades? Parking? Zeo
  • Score: 19

9:22am Thu 10 Apr 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

knock down all those awful tin shack shops , build a city park ,ice rink,conference centre ,bus station , and watermark for the shops ,job done.
knock down all those awful tin shack shops , build a city park ,ice rink,conference centre ,bus station , and watermark for the shops ,job done. Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: 12

9:27am Thu 10 Apr 14

focus19 says...

Transport infrastructure can not cope NOW, just look at the recent congestion, what will be like when this is complete. The City council should be looking at More buses trains and Park & Ride into the city to stop Gridlock. Portsmouth have park and Ride now as does Winchester which leaves Southampton behind in environmental and convenience terms. West Quay causes enough gridlock at weekends as it is especially on a sunday. our council seem content of withdrawing buses services and the Two main operator do not seem interested in City Suburban routes o the city unless its area's Like Townhill park Millbrook and Thornhill where they run in convoy, hence why the city is gridlocked as people use there cars.
Transport infrastructure can not cope NOW, just look at the recent congestion, what will be like when this is complete. The City council should be looking at More buses trains and Park & Ride into the city to stop Gridlock. Portsmouth have park and Ride now as does Winchester which leaves Southampton behind in environmental and convenience terms. West Quay causes enough gridlock at weekends as it is especially on a sunday. our council seem content of withdrawing buses services and the Two main operator do not seem interested in City Suburban routes o the city unless its area's Like Townhill park Millbrook and Thornhill where they run in convoy, hence why the city is gridlocked as people use there cars. focus19
  • Score: 10

9:36am Thu 10 Apr 14

elvisimo says...

Sherr93 wrote:
Absolute rubbish!
There are two cinema's within walking distance... Not sure we need another one! Theres plenty of bars and restuaruants in walking distance and chances are it will all be the same chains anyway! Nothing different!
These people havent got a clue, they should be looking at what the people want! Because those people are the ones that are going to be paying for the place in the long run!
I think many many people have been expecting an ice rink!
are you stupid?
The bar and restaurant provision in Southampton is woeful. The cinema at leisure world is grimy dated and in a half empty booze lead scheme.
Yes those people will be paying for it in the long run - they own it and are pumping in £70m. All this rubbish about how good Gunwharfs leisure offer is and when you get the chance to get it yourself you post moronic junk like this.
[quote][p][bold]Sherr93[/bold] wrote: Absolute rubbish! There are two cinema's within walking distance... Not sure we need another one! Theres plenty of bars and restuaruants in walking distance and chances are it will all be the same chains anyway! Nothing different! These people havent got a clue, they should be looking at what the people want! Because those people are the ones that are going to be paying for the place in the long run! I think many many people have been expecting an ice rink![/p][/quote]are you stupid? The bar and restaurant provision in Southampton is woeful. The cinema at leisure world is grimy dated and in a half empty booze lead scheme. Yes those people will be paying for it in the long run - they own it and are pumping in £70m. All this rubbish about how good Gunwharfs leisure offer is and when you get the chance to get it yourself you post moronic junk like this. elvisimo
  • Score: -1

9:36am Thu 10 Apr 14

Golden Balls says...

Seems alright. Not sure on the look of it. Traffic will be terrible once the Admiral Quay and this is complete though.

I hear Odeon at Leisure World will be looking to move across to this development. So no need to moan about there being one within walking distance. Not that I'm much of a keen bowler but it would make a decent addition as the Leisure World one has closed to make room for Oceana and Bitterne Bowl closed to make room for a gym. This just leave Millbrook which gets absolutely packed.

Yes yes and ice rink would be lovely. Personally I think the city needs a multi purpose venue for things such as live music, ice hockey, basketball etc. a lot like the Staples Centre in LA. Particularly the live music venue though. Something around 12-15k capacity. Southampton would mop up everything the BIC, Pyrimids and even Brighton get in terms of big international acts. On top of what our own Guildhall gets.
Seems alright. Not sure on the look of it. Traffic will be terrible once the Admiral Quay and this is complete though. I hear Odeon at Leisure World will be looking to move across to this development. So no need to moan about there being one within walking distance. Not that I'm much of a keen bowler but it would make a decent addition as the Leisure World one has closed to make room for Oceana and Bitterne Bowl closed to make room for a gym. This just leave Millbrook which gets absolutely packed. Yes yes and ice rink would be lovely. Personally I think the city needs a multi purpose venue for things such as live music, ice hockey, basketball etc. a lot like the Staples Centre in LA. Particularly the live music venue though. Something around 12-15k capacity. Southampton would mop up everything the BIC, Pyrimids and even Brighton get in terms of big international acts. On top of what our own Guildhall gets. Golden Balls
  • Score: 23

9:40am Thu 10 Apr 14

sotonboy84 says...

loosehead wrote:
I hope the walls are lit up at night & made an attraction.
“The team have worked hard with stakeholders over the past nine months to create a scheme which is unique to Southampton and celebrates the city’s historic walls and its maritime location.”

How is this development celebrating the walls and its maritime location? I personally don't see that the walls will be celebrated as this development is too close to them and completely out of character with the buildings in the old town in therms of design, materials and scale. The Royal Pier development too plans to cut off the last view of the water from the old town with high rise flats and making the city's maritime location even more obscure.

The old iron railings currently protecting a large portion of the walls around Forty Steps will also be removed to create more pedestrian space and thus creating more retail space with no thought given for the walls. The railings and grassed areas behind will be lost which will diminish the impact of the walls and it opens them up and makes them more vulnerable to vandalism.

Not what I would call "celebrating" the walls, more a case of maximising shareholders profits to fit around a Grade I listed monument.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I hope the walls are lit up at night & made an attraction.[/p][/quote]“The team have worked hard with stakeholders over the past nine months to create a scheme which is unique to Southampton and celebrates the city’s historic walls and its maritime location.” How is this development celebrating the walls and its maritime location? I personally don't see that the walls will be celebrated as this development is too close to them and completely out of character with the buildings in the old town in therms of design, materials and scale. The Royal Pier development too plans to cut off the last view of the water from the old town with high rise flats and making the city's maritime location even more obscure. The old iron railings currently protecting a large portion of the walls around Forty Steps will also be removed to create more pedestrian space and thus creating more retail space with no thought given for the walls. The railings and grassed areas behind will be lost which will diminish the impact of the walls and it opens them up and makes them more vulnerable to vandalism. Not what I would call "celebrating" the walls, more a case of maximising shareholders profits to fit around a Grade I listed monument. sotonboy84
  • Score: 14

10:01am Thu 10 Apr 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

Maybe after this development has been built Leisure can be converted into an Ice Rink / Concert venue like the O2 in London.
Maybe after this development has been built Leisure can be converted into an Ice Rink / Concert venue like the O2 in London. allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 11

10:01am Thu 10 Apr 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

Leisure World that is! :/
Leisure World that is! :/ allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 2

10:15am Thu 10 Apr 14

phil maccavity says...

wwozzer wrote:
Simon Letts is a bloody fool.

We have no need for this. There are already two multi screen cinemas within walking distance There is already a huge retail space right next door and we certainly don't need any more bars and restaurants, as for the water feature depicting the coast line that's a pretty good idea because the rate this city is being over developed we'll need it to remind us what it once looked like.

The infrastructure is already creaking to the extent that we're asked to stay out of the city when a boat comes in, imagine the traffic chaos when the pier is developed and the luxury shoe boxes are finished at ocean village, the congestion will be truly biblical....and they want to knock this up too?

Stop being seduced by concrete junkies with pension funds to invest and getting your greedy little hands on more business rates, start thinking about the people who live here.

It looks like mayflower park is going to disappear under a "stunning new vision for gambling"" pretty soon so why not turn this space into a public space like a park?
Wwozzer
Actually Mayflower Park will have an increased footprint under the planned Royal Pier development
It is worth noting that, of all English cities, Southampton has the second largest green space within its borders, after Sheffield (which has most of its green space on its outskirts)
Soton has the largest area of public parks in the central city area. Unfortunately most people don't recognise this or indeed use the space available
Also the 'traffic chaos' is primarily down to roadworks which will eventually (!!) end
Re the Business rates comment, I think the Council (of whatever political persuasion) should be applauded for trying to increase Business Rates revenue as the income from this should go towards helping pay for essential services which are under extreme pressure due to reduction in Central Govt funding.
[quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: Simon Letts is a bloody fool. We have no need for this. There are already two multi screen cinemas within walking distance There is already a huge retail space right next door and we certainly don't need any more bars and restaurants, as for the water feature depicting the coast line that's a pretty good idea because the rate this city is being over developed we'll need it to remind us what it once looked like. The infrastructure is already creaking to the extent that we're asked to stay out of the city when a boat comes in, imagine the traffic chaos when the pier is developed and the luxury shoe boxes are finished at ocean village, the congestion will be truly biblical....and they want to knock this up too? Stop being seduced by concrete junkies with pension funds to invest and getting your greedy little hands on more business rates, start thinking about the people who live here. It looks like mayflower park is going to disappear under a "stunning new vision for gambling"" pretty soon so why not turn this space into a public space like a park?[/p][/quote]Wwozzer Actually Mayflower Park will have an increased footprint under the planned Royal Pier development It is worth noting that, of all English cities, Southampton has the second largest green space within its borders, after Sheffield (which has most of its green space on its outskirts) Soton has the largest area of public parks in the central city area. Unfortunately most people don't recognise this or indeed use the space available Also the 'traffic chaos' is primarily down to roadworks which will eventually (!!) end Re the Business rates comment, I think the Council (of whatever political persuasion) should be applauded for trying to increase Business Rates revenue as the income from this should go towards helping pay for essential services which are under extreme pressure due to reduction in Central Govt funding. phil maccavity
  • Score: 9

10:18am Thu 10 Apr 14

ToastyTea says...

The proposed area it's being built on has been an empty horrible looking space for years so I think it's great something will finally be built there (hopefully). There isn't that much good choice for restaurants in the city centre so the more the better, the nearest bowling alley is in Millbrook so be good to have one in the city centre and would prefer something else to more cinemas but oh well. Don't know how people can complain it will be a great addition to the city, although yes an ice rink would be preferred. Traffic isn't a major problem either apart from when all the ships are in, people made a fuss when Ikea was proposed but it hasn't caused major problems with traffic.
The proposed area it's being built on has been an empty horrible looking space for years so I think it's great something will finally be built there (hopefully). There isn't that much good choice for restaurants in the city centre so the more the better, the nearest bowling alley is in Millbrook so be good to have one in the city centre and would prefer something else to more cinemas but oh well. Don't know how people can complain it will be a great addition to the city, although yes an ice rink would be preferred. Traffic isn't a major problem either apart from when all the ships are in, people made a fuss when Ikea was proposed but it hasn't caused major problems with traffic. ToastyTea
  • Score: 5

10:47am Thu 10 Apr 14

saintslad says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
Maybe after this development has been built Leisure can be converted into an Ice Rink / Concert venue like the O2 in London.
Someone whose hit the nail on the head at last ! The city needs LEISURE facility's not more shops!!! Ice rink and concert venue would be ideal ...something for the youth of this city to enjoy.....at the moment there is NOTHING !
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: Maybe after this development has been built Leisure can be converted into an Ice Rink / Concert venue like the O2 in London.[/p][/quote]Someone whose hit the nail on the head at last ! The city needs LEISURE facility's not more shops!!! Ice rink and concert venue would be ideal ...something for the youth of this city to enjoy.....at the moment there is NOTHING ! saintslad
  • Score: 11

11:04am Thu 10 Apr 14

Outside of the Box says...

Time to stop the talking and do the walking, just get on with it.
Time to stop the talking and do the walking, just get on with it. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 6

11:05am Thu 10 Apr 14

loosehead says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I hope the walls are lit up at night & made an attraction.
“The team have worked hard with stakeholders over the past nine months to create a scheme which is unique to Southampton and celebrates the city’s historic walls and its maritime location.”

How is this development celebrating the walls and its maritime location? I personally don't see that the walls will be celebrated as this development is too close to them and completely out of character with the buildings in the old town in therms of design, materials and scale. The Royal Pier development too plans to cut off the last view of the water from the old town with high rise flats and making the city's maritime location even more obscure.

The old iron railings currently protecting a large portion of the walls around Forty Steps will also be removed to create more pedestrian space and thus creating more retail space with no thought given for the walls. The railings and grassed areas behind will be lost which will diminish the impact of the walls and it opens them up and makes them more vulnerable to vandalism.

Not what I would call "celebrating" the walls, more a case of maximising shareholders profits to fit around a Grade I listed monument.
I was trying to point out that the walls are the selling point to tourists & if anything needs to be done it might not be more cinemas but illumination of these walls at night could be the way to go.
I don't want to see any development block the walls from site so I'm not sure at all about this development.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I hope the walls are lit up at night & made an attraction.[/p][/quote]“The team have worked hard with stakeholders over the past nine months to create a scheme which is unique to Southampton and celebrates the city’s historic walls and its maritime location.” How is this development celebrating the walls and its maritime location? I personally don't see that the walls will be celebrated as this development is too close to them and completely out of character with the buildings in the old town in therms of design, materials and scale. The Royal Pier development too plans to cut off the last view of the water from the old town with high rise flats and making the city's maritime location even more obscure. The old iron railings currently protecting a large portion of the walls around Forty Steps will also be removed to create more pedestrian space and thus creating more retail space with no thought given for the walls. The railings and grassed areas behind will be lost which will diminish the impact of the walls and it opens them up and makes them more vulnerable to vandalism. Not what I would call "celebrating" the walls, more a case of maximising shareholders profits to fit around a Grade I listed monument.[/p][/quote]I was trying to point out that the walls are the selling point to tourists & if anything needs to be done it might not be more cinemas but illumination of these walls at night could be the way to go. I don't want to see any development block the walls from site so I'm not sure at all about this development. loosehead
  • Score: 2

11:09am Thu 10 Apr 14

Beer Monster says...

saintslad wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
Maybe after this development has been built Leisure can be converted into an Ice Rink / Concert venue like the O2 in London.
Someone whose hit the nail on the head at last ! The city needs LEISURE facility's not more shops!!! Ice rink and concert venue would be ideal ...something for the youth of this city to enjoy.....at the moment there is NOTHING !
Agreed, if acts that attract large crowds want to play in Southampton the only choice they have is which one of the outdoor arenas they should appear at, which invariably means coinciding with a tour or one off shows in the summer.
[quote][p][bold]saintslad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: Maybe after this development has been built Leisure can be converted into an Ice Rink / Concert venue like the O2 in London.[/p][/quote]Someone whose hit the nail on the head at last ! The city needs LEISURE facility's not more shops!!! Ice rink and concert venue would be ideal ...something for the youth of this city to enjoy.....at the moment there is NOTHING ![/p][/quote]Agreed, if acts that attract large crowds want to play in Southampton the only choice they have is which one of the outdoor arenas they should appear at, which invariably means coinciding with a tour or one off shows in the summer. Beer Monster
  • Score: 2

11:24am Thu 10 Apr 14

phil maccavity says...

saintslad wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
Maybe after this development has been built Leisure can be converted into an Ice Rink / Concert venue like the O2 in London.
Someone whose hit the nail on the head at last ! The city needs LEISURE facility's not more shops!!! Ice rink and concert venue would be ideal ...something for the youth of this city to enjoy.....at the moment there is NOTHING !
I think the first point has merit.
However I guess this will ultimately be decided by the owners of Leisure World who will have to make a commercial decision whether they could make more money from a Ice Rink/Concert centre than the current usage
Re your last point when I was a 'youth' back in the 70's there was the option of Bowling, Swimming, Ice Rink etc.
However most of the time we wanted to go out to pubs and clubs primarily to meet girls!!
We occasionally went swimming or to the Ice Rink but most of our money was spent elsewhere.
It seems to me that there are lots more pubs and clubs around now than in my day and most of them appear to be full.
Perhaps the youth of today are no different from previous generations. Youngsters nowadays also have far more electronic options at home to keep them occupied.
I am sure more Leisure facilities would be considered if businesses thought there was money to be made.
It seems from lack of progress with an Ice Rink, for example, this is not high on their priorities.
[quote][p][bold]saintslad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: Maybe after this development has been built Leisure can be converted into an Ice Rink / Concert venue like the O2 in London.[/p][/quote]Someone whose hit the nail on the head at last ! The city needs LEISURE facility's not more shops!!! Ice rink and concert venue would be ideal ...something for the youth of this city to enjoy.....at the moment there is NOTHING ![/p][/quote]I think the first point has merit. However I guess this will ultimately be decided by the owners of Leisure World who will have to make a commercial decision whether they could make more money from a Ice Rink/Concert centre than the current usage Re your last point when I was a 'youth' back in the 70's there was the option of Bowling, Swimming, Ice Rink etc. However most of the time we wanted to go out to pubs and clubs primarily to meet girls!! We occasionally went swimming or to the Ice Rink but most of our money was spent elsewhere. It seems to me that there are lots more pubs and clubs around now than in my day and most of them appear to be full. Perhaps the youth of today are no different from previous generations. Youngsters nowadays also have far more electronic options at home to keep them occupied. I am sure more Leisure facilities would be considered if businesses thought there was money to be made. It seems from lack of progress with an Ice Rink, for example, this is not high on their priorities. phil maccavity
  • Score: 4

11:50am Thu 10 Apr 14

bobby the crane says...

RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE wrote:
Looks great can't wait for it to be built !!!
Well spoken that man, well overdue & the plans look great, sadly not enough space for an ice rink
[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote: Looks great can't wait for it to be built !!![/p][/quote]Well spoken that man, well overdue & the plans look great, sadly not enough space for an ice rink bobby the crane
  • Score: 1

12:05pm Thu 10 Apr 14

killthrill says...

or fk sake! why no ice rink???
CINEMA CINEMA CINEMA!!!!

ANNOYED
or fk sake! why no ice rink??? CINEMA CINEMA CINEMA!!!! ANNOYED killthrill
  • Score: 3

12:10pm Thu 10 Apr 14

killthrill says...

Sherr93 wrote:
Absolute rubbish!
There are two cinema's within walking distance... Not sure we need another one! Theres plenty of bars and restuaruants in walking distance and chances are it will all be the same chains anyway! Nothing different!
These people havent got a clue, they should be looking at what the people want! Because those people are the ones that are going to be paying for the place in the long run!
I think many many people have been expecting an ice rink!
agree with you 100% !!!!!

Why didn't they ask the residents what they would like?.
[quote][p][bold]Sherr93[/bold] wrote: Absolute rubbish! There are two cinema's within walking distance... Not sure we need another one! Theres plenty of bars and restuaruants in walking distance and chances are it will all be the same chains anyway! Nothing different! These people havent got a clue, they should be looking at what the people want! Because those people are the ones that are going to be paying for the place in the long run! I think many many people have been expecting an ice rink![/p][/quote]agree with you 100% !!!!! Why didn't they ask the residents what they would like?. killthrill
  • Score: 0

12:26pm Thu 10 Apr 14

motorizer says...

I hope it looks better than the horrendous 'gateway to Southampton' at the bottom of Burgess Road..... If this is an example of how our planners think our city should be highlighted then God help us..... What a mess of colours that building is!!!!
I hope it looks better than the horrendous 'gateway to Southampton' at the bottom of Burgess Road..... If this is an example of how our planners think our city should be highlighted then God help us..... What a mess of colours that building is!!!! motorizer
  • Score: -1

12:29pm Thu 10 Apr 14

motorizer says...

killthrill wrote:
Sherr93 wrote:
Absolute rubbish!
There are two cinema's within walking distance... Not sure we need another one! Theres plenty of bars and restuaruants in walking distance and chances are it will all be the same chains anyway! Nothing different!
These people havent got a clue, they should be looking at what the people want! Because those people are the ones that are going to be paying for the place in the long run!
I think many many people have been expecting an ice rink!
agree with you 100% !!!!!

Why didn't they ask the residents what they would like?.
because they couldnt give a flying fig what the residents want,,,, they do whatever they can to get money with no thought at all to the local population... as if we dont have enough cars in that part of town.... A bunch of brainless morons doing what they want .
[quote][p][bold]killthrill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sherr93[/bold] wrote: Absolute rubbish! There are two cinema's within walking distance... Not sure we need another one! Theres plenty of bars and restuaruants in walking distance and chances are it will all be the same chains anyway! Nothing different! These people havent got a clue, they should be looking at what the people want! Because those people are the ones that are going to be paying for the place in the long run! I think many many people have been expecting an ice rink![/p][/quote]agree with you 100% !!!!! Why didn't they ask the residents what they would like?.[/p][/quote]because they couldnt give a flying fig what the residents want,,,, they do whatever they can to get money with no thought at all to the local population... as if we dont have enough cars in that part of town.... A bunch of brainless morons doing what they want . motorizer
  • Score: 3

12:32pm Thu 10 Apr 14

saintsalive1 says...

Please - an ice skating rink and no gambling site here
Please - an ice skating rink and no gambling site here saintsalive1
  • Score: 4

12:55pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Randoor says...

More chain stores , It beggars belief the ignorance of this council what we need in Southampton is something different , Not a clone of other cities where all the same old shops can found there.
More chain stores , It beggars belief the ignorance of this council what we need in Southampton is something different , Not a clone of other cities where all the same old shops can found there. Randoor
  • Score: 2

12:57pm Thu 10 Apr 14

good-gosh says...

saintsalive1 wrote:
Please - an ice skating rink and no gambling site here
Are you a penguin?
[quote][p][bold]saintsalive1[/bold] wrote: Please - an ice skating rink and no gambling site here[/p][/quote]Are you a penguin? good-gosh
  • Score: -6

1:00pm Thu 10 Apr 14

03alpe01 says...

Byron Burgers? Wasn't that the lot that George Osborne had and everyone had a go at him for it? The cinema is a Showcase Cinema De Lux, the difference between these cinemas and the usual ODEON, Cineworld, Vue cinemas etc is that these cinemas have waiters go in to the auditoriums and serve hot food, which is the same as the food sold in all these other restaurants they want to build! Plus you get comfier seats and the tickets are incredibly expensive. No good restaurants in Southampton? I hear that 7 Bone place in Portswood is meant to be quite good! There are good restaurants in Southampton, just not all of them are in the City Centre. How on Earth we can have four, yes FOUR cinemas in about a mile or so of each other is beyond me it really is. Plus that fairly newish one in Eastleigh as well. Want an ice rink? Join the fight for one in Eastleigh on the old council offices!
Byron Burgers? Wasn't that the lot that George Osborne had and everyone had a go at him for it? The cinema is a Showcase Cinema De Lux, the difference between these cinemas and the usual ODEON, Cineworld, Vue cinemas etc is that these cinemas have waiters go in to the auditoriums and serve hot food, which is the same as the food sold in all these other restaurants they want to build! Plus you get comfier seats and the tickets are incredibly expensive. No good restaurants in Southampton? I hear that 7 Bone place in Portswood is meant to be quite good! There are good restaurants in Southampton, just not all of them are in the City Centre. How on Earth we can have four, yes FOUR cinemas in about a mile or so of each other is beyond me it really is. Plus that fairly newish one in Eastleigh as well. Want an ice rink? Join the fight for one in Eastleigh on the old council offices! 03alpe01
  • Score: 2

1:07pm Thu 10 Apr 14

03alpe01 says...

And why was a grant used for this?
And why was a grant used for this? 03alpe01
  • Score: -4

1:11pm Thu 10 Apr 14

SouthernRover80 says...

I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep. SouthernRover80
  • Score: 5

1:16pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Zootopian says...

SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
[quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like). Zootopian
  • Score: 8

1:52pm Thu 10 Apr 14

03alpe01 says...

Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
[quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then? 03alpe01
  • Score: 2

2:00pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Saint Botley says...

Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
Spot on. This is the perfect area for this type of development . The architecture looks impressive too and touches like the water feature/ fountains will compliment the walls and make for a very attractive social area. Southampton needs this.
[quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]Spot on. This is the perfect area for this type of development . The architecture looks impressive too and touches like the water feature/ fountains will compliment the walls and make for a very attractive social area. Southampton needs this. Saint Botley
  • Score: 6

2:15pm Thu 10 Apr 14

cliffwalker says...

I'm totally in favour of development in this area but not one that overshadows and infringes on the most important historical edifice in the city. Also, why must it be a carbon copy of "dining" sites such as they have at Gunwharf Quays, West Quay, Whiteley, etc? Do we really need more boring chain restaurants serving standardized, homogenised menus in standardized, duplicated environs?

I don't think it's worth destroying our heritage for the sake of clearing up an empty site. If that's the only motivation we could have one or more of the facilities that many people have been begging for - such as an ice-rink. But, of course, that is not the motivation for this project - the sole motive is the maximization of profits for the few at the expense of the many.
I'm totally in favour of development in this area but not one that overshadows and infringes on the most important historical edifice in the city. Also, why must it be a carbon copy of "dining" sites such as they have at Gunwharf Quays, West Quay, Whiteley, etc? Do we really need more boring chain restaurants serving standardized, homogenised menus in standardized, duplicated environs? I don't think it's worth destroying our heritage for the sake of clearing up an empty site. If that's the only motivation we could have one or more of the facilities that many people have been begging for - such as an ice-rink. But, of course, that is not the motivation for this project - the sole motive is the maximization of profits for the few at the expense of the many. cliffwalker
  • Score: 3

2:24pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Lone Ranger. says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Byron Burgers? Wasn't that the lot that George Osborne had and everyone had a go at him for it? The cinema is a Showcase Cinema De Lux, the difference between these cinemas and the usual ODEON, Cineworld, Vue cinemas etc is that these cinemas have waiters go in to the auditoriums and serve hot food, which is the same as the food sold in all these other restaurants they want to build! Plus you get comfier seats and the tickets are incredibly expensive. No good restaurants in Southampton? I hear that 7 Bone place in Portswood is meant to be quite good! There are good restaurants in Southampton, just not all of them are in the City Centre. How on Earth we can have four, yes FOUR cinemas in about a mile or so of each other is beyond me it really is. Plus that fairly newish one in Eastleigh as well. Want an ice rink? Join the fight for one in Eastleigh on the old council offices!
What a frigging moaner you are.
.
We wont have four cinemas in a mile of each other will we ffs.
.
Find a private contractor to fund and build an ice rink and i think the council will bite their hand off .......... The TRUTH is that there isnt anyone prepared, at this moment in time, to build it ........
.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Byron Burgers? Wasn't that the lot that George Osborne had and everyone had a go at him for it? The cinema is a Showcase Cinema De Lux, the difference between these cinemas and the usual ODEON, Cineworld, Vue cinemas etc is that these cinemas have waiters go in to the auditoriums and serve hot food, which is the same as the food sold in all these other restaurants they want to build! Plus you get comfier seats and the tickets are incredibly expensive. No good restaurants in Southampton? I hear that 7 Bone place in Portswood is meant to be quite good! There are good restaurants in Southampton, just not all of them are in the City Centre. How on Earth we can have four, yes FOUR cinemas in about a mile or so of each other is beyond me it really is. Plus that fairly newish one in Eastleigh as well. Want an ice rink? Join the fight for one in Eastleigh on the old council offices![/p][/quote]What a frigging moaner you are. . We wont have four cinemas in a mile of each other will we ffs. . Find a private contractor to fund and build an ice rink and i think the council will bite their hand off .......... The TRUTH is that there isnt anyone prepared, at this moment in time, to build it ........ . Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -5

2:26pm Thu 10 Apr 14

03alpe01 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Byron Burgers? Wasn't that the lot that George Osborne had and everyone had a go at him for it? The cinema is a Showcase Cinema De Lux, the difference between these cinemas and the usual ODEON, Cineworld, Vue cinemas etc is that these cinemas have waiters go in to the auditoriums and serve hot food, which is the same as the food sold in all these other restaurants they want to build! Plus you get comfier seats and the tickets are incredibly expensive. No good restaurants in Southampton? I hear that 7 Bone place in Portswood is meant to be quite good! There are good restaurants in Southampton, just not all of them are in the City Centre. How on Earth we can have four, yes FOUR cinemas in about a mile or so of each other is beyond me it really is. Plus that fairly newish one in Eastleigh as well. Want an ice rink? Join the fight for one in Eastleigh on the old council offices!
What a frigging moaner you are.
.
We wont have four cinemas in a mile of each other will we ffs.
.
Find a private contractor to fund and build an ice rink and i think the council will bite their hand off .......... The TRUTH is that there isnt anyone prepared, at this moment in time, to build it ........
.
why is it you always attack me, despite the fact that there are many other ice rink posters on this forum? Believe it or not I'm not the only person around here who wants an ice rink. And you moan a lot don't you, so I don't think you're really one to talk.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Byron Burgers? Wasn't that the lot that George Osborne had and everyone had a go at him for it? The cinema is a Showcase Cinema De Lux, the difference between these cinemas and the usual ODEON, Cineworld, Vue cinemas etc is that these cinemas have waiters go in to the auditoriums and serve hot food, which is the same as the food sold in all these other restaurants they want to build! Plus you get comfier seats and the tickets are incredibly expensive. No good restaurants in Southampton? I hear that 7 Bone place in Portswood is meant to be quite good! There are good restaurants in Southampton, just not all of them are in the City Centre. How on Earth we can have four, yes FOUR cinemas in about a mile or so of each other is beyond me it really is. Plus that fairly newish one in Eastleigh as well. Want an ice rink? Join the fight for one in Eastleigh on the old council offices![/p][/quote]What a frigging moaner you are. . We wont have four cinemas in a mile of each other will we ffs. . Find a private contractor to fund and build an ice rink and i think the council will bite their hand off .......... The TRUTH is that there isnt anyone prepared, at this moment in time, to build it ........ .[/p][/quote]why is it you always attack me, despite the fact that there are many other ice rink posters on this forum? Believe it or not I'm not the only person around here who wants an ice rink. And you moan a lot don't you, so I don't think you're really one to talk. 03alpe01
  • Score: 5

2:38pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Lone Ranger. says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Byron Burgers? Wasn't that the lot that George Osborne had and everyone had a go at him for it? The cinema is a Showcase Cinema De Lux, the difference between these cinemas and the usual ODEON, Cineworld, Vue cinemas etc is that these cinemas have waiters go in to the auditoriums and serve hot food, which is the same as the food sold in all these other restaurants they want to build! Plus you get comfier seats and the tickets are incredibly expensive. No good restaurants in Southampton? I hear that 7 Bone place in Portswood is meant to be quite good! There are good restaurants in Southampton, just not all of them are in the City Centre. How on Earth we can have four, yes FOUR cinemas in about a mile or so of each other is beyond me it really is. Plus that fairly newish one in Eastleigh as well. Want an ice rink? Join the fight for one in Eastleigh on the old council offices!
What a frigging moaner you are.
.
We wont have four cinemas in a mile of each other will we ffs.
.
Find a private contractor to fund and build an ice rink and i think the council will bite their hand off .......... The TRUTH is that there isnt anyone prepared, at this moment in time, to build it ........
.
why is it you always attack me, despite the fact that there are many other ice rink posters on this forum? Believe it or not I'm not the only person around here who wants an ice rink. And you moan a lot don't you, so I don't think you're really one to talk.
Oh sorry ...... but you are the most consistent moaner re Ice rinks and Cinemas.
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I didnt say that i didnt moan ...... i just said that you did !!!
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Now go on have another go and i promise that i wont post against you again ......... today ... !
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Byron Burgers? Wasn't that the lot that George Osborne had and everyone had a go at him for it? The cinema is a Showcase Cinema De Lux, the difference between these cinemas and the usual ODEON, Cineworld, Vue cinemas etc is that these cinemas have waiters go in to the auditoriums and serve hot food, which is the same as the food sold in all these other restaurants they want to build! Plus you get comfier seats and the tickets are incredibly expensive. No good restaurants in Southampton? I hear that 7 Bone place in Portswood is meant to be quite good! There are good restaurants in Southampton, just not all of them are in the City Centre. How on Earth we can have four, yes FOUR cinemas in about a mile or so of each other is beyond me it really is. Plus that fairly newish one in Eastleigh as well. Want an ice rink? Join the fight for one in Eastleigh on the old council offices![/p][/quote]What a frigging moaner you are. . We wont have four cinemas in a mile of each other will we ffs. . Find a private contractor to fund and build an ice rink and i think the council will bite their hand off .......... The TRUTH is that there isnt anyone prepared, at this moment in time, to build it ........ .[/p][/quote]why is it you always attack me, despite the fact that there are many other ice rink posters on this forum? Believe it or not I'm not the only person around here who wants an ice rink. And you moan a lot don't you, so I don't think you're really one to talk.[/p][/quote]Oh sorry ...... but you are the most consistent moaner re Ice rinks and Cinemas. . I didnt say that i didnt moan ...... i just said that you did !!! . Now go on have another go and i promise that i wont post against you again ......... today ... ! Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -7

2:48pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Zootopian says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
I don't care one way or another about Byron Burgers, having never been to one; I just want some real choice when it comes to dining out in the city.

The majority of people interested in this like the plans for the development, despite what the handful of comments on here may lead you to believe - just see the ballot for evidence of that.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?[/p][/quote]I don't care one way or another about Byron Burgers, having never been to one; I just want some real choice when it comes to dining out in the city. The majority of people interested in this like the plans for the development, despite what the handful of comments on here may lead you to believe - just see the ballot for evidence of that. Zootopian
  • Score: 3

2:52pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Zootopian wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
I don't care one way or another about Byron Burgers, having never been to one; I just want some real choice when it comes to dining out in the city.

The majority of people interested in this like the plans for the development, despite what the handful of comments on here may lead you to believe - just see the ballot for evidence of that.
Oh dear ...... now you are going to upset him now !!!
[quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?[/p][/quote]I don't care one way or another about Byron Burgers, having never been to one; I just want some real choice when it comes to dining out in the city. The majority of people interested in this like the plans for the development, despite what the handful of comments on here may lead you to believe - just see the ballot for evidence of that.[/p][/quote]Oh dear ...... now you are going to upset him now !!! Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -2

3:00pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Jonny7oma says...

The site this is aimed at should be used for the people of Southampton in some form of gig venue for music, comedy, sporting events etc but it wont because no one will make much money out of it. Or is it that no miniscule minded councillor will have left their mark on the city if it hasn't gone through? We need to remember these kinds of things when the local elections come round again and make them an issue.

The entire plan is based solely around entitiies that have nothing to do with Southampton. Souless chains that leave you wondering which city you are in. There's nothing in these plans for the inhabitants of Southampton that we don't already have. Drying pools of water - we get a lot of those after its rained. To say "its design has been inspired by the water pools created by mudflats on the Hampshire coastline" is quite valid since those same mudflats are also a space nobody can use. And not that impressive to look at either. You go to the coast to see the sea and whats on it, you don't go to see vast exposed mud flats.. not unless you enjoy depression.
Why can't we just have a bloody entertainment venue? They usually attract people in the evening, when that area of Southampton is dead anyway, with the worst of the traffic going the other way. I should know, I live close to that part of the city.
The site this is aimed at should be used for the people of Southampton in some form of gig venue for music, comedy, sporting events etc but it wont because no one will make much money out of it. Or is it that no miniscule minded councillor will have left their mark on the city if it hasn't gone through? We need to remember these kinds of things when the local elections come round again and make them an issue. The entire plan is based solely around entitiies that have nothing to do with Southampton. Souless chains that leave you wondering which city you are in. There's nothing in these plans for the inhabitants of Southampton that we don't already have. Drying pools of water - we get a lot of those after its rained. To say "its design has been inspired by the water pools created by mudflats on the Hampshire coastline" is quite valid since those same mudflats are also a space nobody can use. And not that impressive to look at either. You go to the coast to see the sea and whats on it, you don't go to see vast exposed mud flats.. not unless you enjoy depression. Why can't we just have a bloody entertainment venue? They usually attract people in the evening, when that area of Southampton is dead anyway, with the worst of the traffic going the other way. I should know, I live close to that part of the city. Jonny7oma
  • Score: 6

3:00pm Thu 10 Apr 14

loosehead says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Byron Burgers? Wasn't that the lot that George Osborne had and everyone had a go at him for it? The cinema is a Showcase Cinema De Lux, the difference between these cinemas and the usual ODEON, Cineworld, Vue cinemas etc is that these cinemas have waiters go in to the auditoriums and serve hot food, which is the same as the food sold in all these other restaurants they want to build! Plus you get comfier seats and the tickets are incredibly expensive. No good restaurants in Southampton? I hear that 7 Bone place in Portswood is meant to be quite good! There are good restaurants in Southampton, just not all of them are in the City Centre. How on Earth we can have four, yes FOUR cinemas in about a mile or so of each other is beyond me it really is. Plus that fairly newish one in Eastleigh as well. Want an ice rink? Join the fight for one in Eastleigh on the old council offices!
What a frigging moaner you are.
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We wont have four cinemas in a mile of each other will we ffs.
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Find a private contractor to fund and build an ice rink and i think the council will bite their hand off .......... The TRUTH is that there isnt anyone prepared, at this moment in time, to build it ........
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why is it you always attack me, despite the fact that there are many other ice rink posters on this forum? Believe it or not I'm not the only person around here who wants an ice rink. And you moan a lot don't you, so I don't think you're really one to talk.
The very same question I ask of that poster. Could it be you attack the Labour council?
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Byron Burgers? Wasn't that the lot that George Osborne had and everyone had a go at him for it? The cinema is a Showcase Cinema De Lux, the difference between these cinemas and the usual ODEON, Cineworld, Vue cinemas etc is that these cinemas have waiters go in to the auditoriums and serve hot food, which is the same as the food sold in all these other restaurants they want to build! Plus you get comfier seats and the tickets are incredibly expensive. No good restaurants in Southampton? I hear that 7 Bone place in Portswood is meant to be quite good! There are good restaurants in Southampton, just not all of them are in the City Centre. How on Earth we can have four, yes FOUR cinemas in about a mile or so of each other is beyond me it really is. Plus that fairly newish one in Eastleigh as well. Want an ice rink? Join the fight for one in Eastleigh on the old council offices![/p][/quote]What a frigging moaner you are. . We wont have four cinemas in a mile of each other will we ffs. . Find a private contractor to fund and build an ice rink and i think the council will bite their hand off .......... The TRUTH is that there isnt anyone prepared, at this moment in time, to build it ........ .[/p][/quote]why is it you always attack me, despite the fact that there are many other ice rink posters on this forum? Believe it or not I'm not the only person around here who wants an ice rink. And you moan a lot don't you, so I don't think you're really one to talk.[/p][/quote]The very same question I ask of that poster. Could it be you attack the Labour council? loosehead
  • Score: -2

3:24pm Thu 10 Apr 14

bridgey says...

SERIOUSLY..... if I had a £1 for every time someone said "we need an ice rink" I would have enough money to build one myself.

The Council/Developers are probably not building one, because of a lack of interest in one from the youth of Southampton.

Yes, they were probably very popular in years gone by, but times have changed, people.
SERIOUSLY..... if I had a £1 for every time someone said "we need an ice rink" I would have enough money to build one myself. The Council/Developers are probably not building one, because of a lack of interest in one from the youth of Southampton. Yes, they were probably very popular in years gone by, but times have changed, people. bridgey
  • Score: 4

3:28pm Thu 10 Apr 14

sotonboy84 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
I don't care one way or another about Byron Burgers, having never been to one; I just want some real choice when it comes to dining out in the city. The majority of people interested in this like the plans for the development, despite what the handful of comments on here may lead you to believe - just see the ballot for evidence of that.
Oh dear ...... now you are going to upset him now !!!
You turd.

Make a constructive comment & stop nit picking at other people's comments.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?[/p][/quote]I don't care one way or another about Byron Burgers, having never been to one; I just want some real choice when it comes to dining out in the city. The majority of people interested in this like the plans for the development, despite what the handful of comments on here may lead you to believe - just see the ballot for evidence of that.[/p][/quote]Oh dear ...... now you are going to upset him now !!![/p][/quote]You turd. Make a constructive comment & stop nit picking at other people's comments. sotonboy84
  • Score: 5

3:34pm Thu 10 Apr 14

elvisimo says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW.

The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else.

I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc.

Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market.

No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach?
Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?[/p][/quote]ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW. The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else. I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc. Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market. No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach? Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one. elvisimo
  • Score: 2

3:36pm Thu 10 Apr 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

I am more disappointed with the plans for Mayflower park and the Royal Pier to be honest. It is here that the real lack on inspiration will be felt most. The city is selling its soul for short term gain.

Give the people what they want!
I am more disappointed with the plans for Mayflower park and the Royal Pier to be honest. It is here that the real lack on inspiration will be felt most. The city is selling its soul for short term gain. Give the people what they want! allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 4

3:51pm Thu 10 Apr 14

03alpe01 says...

elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW.

The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else.

I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc.

Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market.

No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach?
Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.
No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there.
I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one.
You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South.
So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?[/p][/quote]ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW. The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else. I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc. Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market. No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach? Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.[/p][/quote]No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there. I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one. You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South. So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol? 03alpe01
  • Score: 0

4:01pm Thu 10 Apr 14

bridgey says...

03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW.

The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else.

I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc.

Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market.

No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach?
Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.
No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there.
I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one.
You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South.
So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?
" I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one."

Who are these "people" that want one, and why is everyone hell-bent on getting one?

It will more than likely be a "once in a blue moon visit" attraction. Has there actually been a poll of the people of Southampton as to whether we want one? Would be interesting to see the results, broken down by age. Bet not many younger (under 30) would want one.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?[/p][/quote]ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW. The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else. I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc. Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market. No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach? Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.[/p][/quote]No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there. I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one. You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South. So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?[/p][/quote]" I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one." Who are these "people" that want one, and why is everyone hell-bent on getting one? It will more than likely be a "once in a blue moon visit" attraction. Has there actually been a poll of the people of Southampton as to whether we want one? Would be interesting to see the results, broken down by age. Bet not many younger (under 30) would want one. bridgey
  • Score: -2

4:05pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Zootopian says...

03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW.

The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else.

I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc.

Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market.

No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach?
Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.
No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there.
I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one.
You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South.
So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?
Earlier you were (rightly) singing the praises of the 7 Bone Burger place in Portswood.

However, the prices there are almost exactly the same as the ones you quote for Byron Burgers (burger £6.50, fries £2.50 Coke £2 on my last visit to 7 Bone). And it was rammed full at the time, suggesting that lots of people don't want to pay that sort of money.

For a nice meal, £12 is very, very reasonable.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?[/p][/quote]ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW. The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else. I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc. Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market. No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach? Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.[/p][/quote]No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there. I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one. You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South. So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?[/p][/quote]Earlier you were (rightly) singing the praises of the 7 Bone Burger place in Portswood. However, the prices there are almost exactly the same as the ones you quote for Byron Burgers (burger £6.50, fries £2.50 Coke £2 on my last visit to 7 Bone). And it was rammed full at the time, suggesting that lots of people don't want to pay that sort of money. For a nice meal, £12 is very, very reasonable. Zootopian
  • Score: 2

4:06pm Thu 10 Apr 14

03alpe01 says...

bridgey wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW.

The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else.

I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc.

Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market.

No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach?
Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.
No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there.
I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one.
You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South.
So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?
" I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one."

Who are these "people" that want one, and why is everyone hell-bent on getting one?

It will more than likely be a "once in a blue moon visit" attraction. Has there actually been a poll of the people of Southampton as to whether we want one? Would be interesting to see the results, broken down by age. Bet not many younger (under 30) would want one.
Yes. Here it is :

http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/1595450.
Does_Southampton_nee
d_an_ice_rink_/
[quote][p][bold]bridgey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?[/p][/quote]ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW. The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else. I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc. Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market. No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach? Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.[/p][/quote]No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there. I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one. You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South. So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?[/p][/quote]" I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one." Who are these "people" that want one, and why is everyone hell-bent on getting one? It will more than likely be a "once in a blue moon visit" attraction. Has there actually been a poll of the people of Southampton as to whether we want one? Would be interesting to see the results, broken down by age. Bet not many younger (under 30) would want one.[/p][/quote]Yes. Here it is : http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/1595450. Does_Southampton_nee d_an_ice_rink_/ 03alpe01
  • Score: 1

4:07pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Zootopian says...

Zootopian wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW.

The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else.

I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc.

Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market.

No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach?
Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.
No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there.
I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one.
You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South.
So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?
Earlier you were (rightly) singing the praises of the 7 Bone Burger place in Portswood.

However, the prices there are almost exactly the same as the ones you quote for Byron Burgers (burger £6.50, fries £2.50 Coke £2 on my last visit to 7 Bone). And it was rammed full at the time, suggesting that lots of people don't want to pay that sort of money.

For a nice meal, £12 is very, very reasonable.
Sorry, obviously that should read "that lots of people do want to pay that sort of money."
[quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?[/p][/quote]ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW. The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else. I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc. Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market. No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach? Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.[/p][/quote]No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there. I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one. You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South. So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?[/p][/quote]Earlier you were (rightly) singing the praises of the 7 Bone Burger place in Portswood. However, the prices there are almost exactly the same as the ones you quote for Byron Burgers (burger £6.50, fries £2.50 Coke £2 on my last visit to 7 Bone). And it was rammed full at the time, suggesting that lots of people don't want to pay that sort of money. For a nice meal, £12 is very, very reasonable.[/p][/quote]Sorry, obviously that should read "that lots of people [b]do[/b] want to pay that sort of money." Zootopian
  • Score: 3

4:23pm Thu 10 Apr 14

bridgey says...

What a bizarre poll.

1000 people questioned and just 453/1000 (45.3%) said they would want one as a first choice. Hardly a resounding victory for the pro-rink campaign.

It was 7 years ago, too, so I would strongly suggest that number would have decreased some what.
What a bizarre poll. 1000 people questioned and just 453/1000 (45.3%) said they would want one as a first choice. Hardly a resounding victory for the pro-rink campaign. It was 7 years ago, too, so I would strongly suggest that number would have decreased some what. bridgey
  • Score: 0

4:28pm Thu 10 Apr 14

elvisimo says...

03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW.

The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else.

I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc.

Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market.

No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach?
Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.
No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there.
I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one.
You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South.
So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?
if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them.
Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer.

ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?[/p][/quote]ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW. The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else. I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc. Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market. No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach? Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.[/p][/quote]No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there. I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one. You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South. So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?[/p][/quote]if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them. Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer. ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything? elvisimo
  • Score: 0

4:34pm Thu 10 Apr 14

03alpe01 says...

elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW.

The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else.

I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc.

Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market.

No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach?
Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.
No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there.
I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one.
You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South.
So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?
if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them.
Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer.

ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?
yes, that they are trying to eliminate any competition. So you admit Showcase cinemas have the new cinema?
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?[/p][/quote]ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW. The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else. I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc. Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market. No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach? Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.[/p][/quote]No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there. I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one. You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South. So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?[/p][/quote]if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them. Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer. ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?[/p][/quote]yes, that they are trying to eliminate any competition. So you admit Showcase cinemas have the new cinema? 03alpe01
  • Score: 0

4:38pm Thu 10 Apr 14

elvisimo says...

03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW.

The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else.

I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc.

Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market.

No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach?
Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.
No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there.
I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one.
You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South.
So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?
if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them.
Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer.

ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?
yes, that they are trying to eliminate any competition. So you admit Showcase cinemas have the new cinema?
er phone Hammerson? - what difference does it make? that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com[etition? don't this so it is were Cine de Lux how many sites across the uk do they own ? - doesn't look to me like an operator hell bent on eliminating other operators.

Things change - go to the cinema, do some shopping, have a meal or a drink, try to come up with things that increase dwell times in city centres. Not rocket science - you may be happy to go to leisure world - im not.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?[/p][/quote]ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW. The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else. I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc. Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market. No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach? Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.[/p][/quote]No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there. I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one. You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South. So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?[/p][/quote]if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them. Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer. ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?[/p][/quote]yes, that they are trying to eliminate any competition. So you admit Showcase cinemas have the new cinema?[/p][/quote]er phone Hammerson? - what difference does it make? that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com[etition? don't this so it is were Cine de Lux how many sites across the uk do they own ? - doesn't look to me like an operator hell bent on eliminating other operators. Things change - go to the cinema, do some shopping, have a meal or a drink, try to come up with things that increase dwell times in city centres. Not rocket science - you may be happy to go to leisure world - im not. elvisimo
  • Score: 1

4:49pm Thu 10 Apr 14

03alpe01 says...

elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW.

The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else.

I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc.

Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market.

No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach?
Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.
No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there.
I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one.
You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South.
So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?
if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them.
Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer.

ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?
yes, that they are trying to eliminate any competition. So you admit Showcase cinemas have the new cinema?
er phone Hammerson? - what difference does it make? that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com
Can you repost in English please?
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?[/p][/quote]ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW. The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else. I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc. Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market. No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach? Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.[/p][/quote]No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there. I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one. You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South. So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?[/p][/quote]if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them. Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer. ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?[/p][/quote]yes, that they are trying to eliminate any competition. So you admit Showcase cinemas have the new cinema?[/p][/quote]er phone Hammerson? - what difference does it make? that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com[etition? don't this so it is were Cine de Lux how many sites across the uk do they own ? - doesn't look to me like an operator hell bent on eliminating other operators. Things change - go to the cinema, do some shopping, have a meal or a drink, try to come up with things that increase dwell times in city centres. Not rocket science - you may be happy to go to leisure world - im not.[/p][/quote]Can you repost in English please? 03alpe01
  • Score: -3

4:52pm Thu 10 Apr 14

03alpe01 says...

bridgey wrote:
What a bizarre poll.

1000 people questioned and just 453/1000 (45.3%) said they would want one as a first choice. Hardly a resounding victory for the pro-rink campaign.

It was 7 years ago, too, so I would strongly suggest that number would have decreased some what.
it is when you consider how many people voted for it as a single option and the fact that 722 people out of the 1,000 surveyed said the City would benefit from one. If anything the number will have increased due to the increased number of students in the City and the fact that there is a University Ice Hockey team.
[quote][p][bold]bridgey[/bold] wrote: What a bizarre poll. 1000 people questioned and just 453/1000 (45.3%) said they would want one as a first choice. Hardly a resounding victory for the pro-rink campaign. It was 7 years ago, too, so I would strongly suggest that number would have decreased some what.[/p][/quote]it is when you consider how many people voted for it as a single option and the fact that 722 people out of the 1,000 surveyed said the City would benefit from one. If anything the number will have increased due to the increased number of students in the City and the fact that there is a University Ice Hockey team. 03alpe01
  • Score: -3

5:01pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Lone Ranger. says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
I don't care one way or another about Byron Burgers, having never been to one; I just want some real choice when it comes to dining out in the city. The majority of people interested in this like the plans for the development, despite what the handful of comments on here may lead you to believe - just see the ballot for evidence of that.
Oh dear ...... now you are going to upset him now !!!
You turd.

Make a constructive comment & stop nit picking at other people's comments.
Oh dear i dont think that i directed my comment to you schoolboy84.
.
How would you know if anyone made a constuctive comment or not ....... as i am sure that your intelligence doesnt stretch that far .....
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?[/p][/quote]I don't care one way or another about Byron Burgers, having never been to one; I just want some real choice when it comes to dining out in the city. The majority of people interested in this like the plans for the development, despite what the handful of comments on here may lead you to believe - just see the ballot for evidence of that.[/p][/quote]Oh dear ...... now you are going to upset him now !!![/p][/quote]You turd. Make a constructive comment & stop nit picking at other people's comments.[/p][/quote]Oh dear i dont think that i directed my comment to you schoolboy84. . How would you know if anyone made a constuctive comment or not ....... as i am sure that your intelligence doesnt stretch that far ..... Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -2

5:32pm Thu 10 Apr 14

elvisimo says...

03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW.

The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else.

I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc.

Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market.

No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach?
Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.
No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there.
I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one.
You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South.
So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?
if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them.
Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer.

ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?
yes, that they are trying to eliminate any competition. So you admit Showcase cinemas have the new cinema?
er phone Hammerson? - what difference does it make? that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com
Can you repost in English please?
Would it make any difference with you. Whatever is said you won't like it like everything else.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?[/p][/quote]ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW. The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else. I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc. Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market. No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach? Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.[/p][/quote]No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there. I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one. You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South. So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?[/p][/quote]if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them. Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer. ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?[/p][/quote]yes, that they are trying to eliminate any competition. So you admit Showcase cinemas have the new cinema?[/p][/quote]er phone Hammerson? - what difference does it make? that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com[etition? don't this so it is were Cine de Lux how many sites across the uk do they own ? - doesn't look to me like an operator hell bent on eliminating other operators. Things change - go to the cinema, do some shopping, have a meal or a drink, try to come up with things that increase dwell times in city centres. Not rocket science - you may be happy to go to leisure world - im not.[/p][/quote]Can you repost in English please?[/p][/quote]Would it make any difference with you. Whatever is said you won't like it like everything else. elvisimo
  • Score: 2

5:36pm Thu 10 Apr 14

03alpe01 says...

elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW.

The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else.

I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc.

Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market.

No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach?
Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.
No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there.
I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one.
You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South.
So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?
if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them.
Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer.

ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?
yes, that they are trying to eliminate any competition. So you admit Showcase cinemas have the new cinema?
er phone Hammerson? - what difference does it make? that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com
Can you repost in English please?
Would it make any difference with you. Whatever is said you won't like it like everything else.
' that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com[etition? don't this so it is were Cine de Lux how many sites across the uk do they own ? - doesn't look to me like an operator hell bent on eliminating other operators.'

Please can you just explain what this means so that I can see if I like it or not. I think today perhaps you are so excited about this development some of your posts have been mistyped and I'm just trying to understand what you are talking about.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?[/p][/quote]ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW. The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else. I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc. Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market. No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach? Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.[/p][/quote]No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there. I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one. You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South. So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?[/p][/quote]if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them. Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer. ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?[/p][/quote]yes, that they are trying to eliminate any competition. So you admit Showcase cinemas have the new cinema?[/p][/quote]er phone Hammerson? - what difference does it make? that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com[etition? don't this so it is were Cine de Lux how many sites across the uk do they own ? - doesn't look to me like an operator hell bent on eliminating other operators. Things change - go to the cinema, do some shopping, have a meal or a drink, try to come up with things that increase dwell times in city centres. Not rocket science - you may be happy to go to leisure world - im not.[/p][/quote]Can you repost in English please?[/p][/quote]Would it make any difference with you. Whatever is said you won't like it like everything else.[/p][/quote]' that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com[etition? don't this so it is were Cine de Lux how many sites across the uk do they own ? - doesn't look to me like an operator hell bent on eliminating other operators.' Please can you just explain what this means so that I can see if I like it or not. I think today perhaps you are so excited about this development some of your posts have been mistyped and I'm just trying to understand what you are talking about. 03alpe01
  • Score: -1

5:53pm Thu 10 Apr 14

elvisimo says...

03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW.

The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else.

I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc.

Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market.

No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach?
Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.
No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there.
I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one.
You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South.
So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?
if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them.
Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer.

ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?
yes, that they are trying to eliminate any competition. So you admit Showcase cinemas have the new cinema?
er phone Hammerson? - what difference does it make? that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com
Can you repost in English please?
Would it make any difference with you. Whatever is said you won't like it like everything else.
' that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com
Let's try a different route and see if you understand. All the major operators offered on the new cinema. Including cine, vue and odeon. Odeon so lease expires in leisure world in 2017. They don't want to stay there.

Cine world are holding over on their lease. The cinema they have is no stadium seated and not suitable for today's market or digital offering.

Cine de lux, if in deed they are the chosen occupier, offers a pretty high quality offer. All sorts of offers and prices but more facilities.

You state that cine de lux want to kill off the competition. Looking at the number of sites they trade from, this would not seem to be the case. Very select sites in very few locations.

Get all that or do you still know more than the operators? Ps. Bristol has 11 cinemas....
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?[/p][/quote]ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW. The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else. I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc. Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market. No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach? Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.[/p][/quote]No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there. I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one. You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South. So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?[/p][/quote]if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them. Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer. ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?[/p][/quote]yes, that they are trying to eliminate any competition. So you admit Showcase cinemas have the new cinema?[/p][/quote]er phone Hammerson? - what difference does it make? that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com[etition? don't this so it is were Cine de Lux how many sites across the uk do they own ? - doesn't look to me like an operator hell bent on eliminating other operators. Things change - go to the cinema, do some shopping, have a meal or a drink, try to come up with things that increase dwell times in city centres. Not rocket science - you may be happy to go to leisure world - im not.[/p][/quote]Can you repost in English please?[/p][/quote]Would it make any difference with you. Whatever is said you won't like it like everything else.[/p][/quote]' that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com[etition? don't this so it is were Cine de Lux how many sites across the uk do they own ? - doesn't look to me like an operator hell bent on eliminating other operators.' Please can you just explain what this means so that I can see if I like it or not. I think today perhaps you are so excited about this development some of your posts have been mistyped and I'm just trying to understand what you are talking about.[/p][/quote]Let's try a different route and see if you understand. All the major operators offered on the new cinema. Including cine, vue and odeon. Odeon so lease expires in leisure world in 2017. They don't want to stay there. Cine world are holding over on their lease. The cinema they have is no stadium seated and not suitable for today's market or digital offering. Cine de lux, if in deed they are the chosen occupier, offers a pretty high quality offer. All sorts of offers and prices but more facilities. You state that cine de lux want to kill off the competition. Looking at the number of sites they trade from, this would not seem to be the case. Very select sites in very few locations. Get all that or do you still know more than the operators? Ps. Bristol has 11 cinemas.... elvisimo
  • Score: 2

6:14pm Thu 10 Apr 14

03alpe01 says...

elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW.

The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else.

I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc.

Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market.

No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach?
Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.
No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there.
I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one.
You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South.
So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?
if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them.
Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer.

ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?
yes, that they are trying to eliminate any competition. So you admit Showcase cinemas have the new cinema?
er phone Hammerson? - what difference does it make? that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com
Can you repost in English please?
Would it make any difference with you. Whatever is said you won't like it like everything else.
' that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com
Let's try a different route and see if you understand. All the major operators offered on the new cinema. Including cine, vue and odeon. Odeon so lease expires in leisure world in 2017. They don't want to stay there.

Cine world are holding over on their lease. The cinema they have is no stadium seated and not suitable for today's market or digital offering.

Cine de lux, if in deed they are the chosen occupier, offers a pretty high quality offer. All sorts of offers and prices but more facilities.

You state that cine de lux want to kill off the competition. Looking at the number of sites they trade from, this would not seem to be the case. Very select sites in very few locations.

Get all that or do you still know more than the operators? Ps. Bristol has 11 cinemas....
It was not the business principles I don't understand, but your English. You have to admit that sentence did not make sense. I do not state that Cine De Lux were trying to kill off the competition, but was intimating that Odeon would like to kill off the competition and stop Cine De Lux moving into Southampton. Now I've tried a different route perhaps you will understand my point better. Clearly, you are in favour of non-active past times such as going to the cinema and eating in chain restaurants. Let's hope the NHS and SUHT have some money to chuck at developing the hospital to cope with the increase in illness caused by obesity and lack of exercise in Southampton. Some of us prefer less processed food and want to eat healthily and exercise more. Ice rinks provide the opportunity for all ages and abilities to exercise, presumably this is why some schools from Southampton take their students to Gosport for lessons every week. Contrary to some posts on here the ice hockey in Basingstoke is very well supported, regularly attracting crowds greater than those at Eastleigh FC. The poll in the Echo today is somewhat meaningless as it gives no indication of how many people have actually voted. It could only be 50 or even 5 with 10 separate devices I.e. laptop, phone, tablet etc. So to quote that is irrelevant. There is a demand for an ice rink in the area. The Ice Rink for Eastleigh Facebook page currently has around 1,700 'likes' to prove the demand is there. Not sure there is such a demand for the restaurants you have mentioned.

P.S. The population of Bristol is more than twice the population of Southampton.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?[/p][/quote]ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW. The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else. I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc. Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market. No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach? Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.[/p][/quote]No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there. I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one. You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South. So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?[/p][/quote]if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them. Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer. ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?[/p][/quote]yes, that they are trying to eliminate any competition. So you admit Showcase cinemas have the new cinema?[/p][/quote]er phone Hammerson? - what difference does it make? that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com[etition? don't this so it is were Cine de Lux how many sites across the uk do they own ? - doesn't look to me like an operator hell bent on eliminating other operators. Things change - go to the cinema, do some shopping, have a meal or a drink, try to come up with things that increase dwell times in city centres. Not rocket science - you may be happy to go to leisure world - im not.[/p][/quote]Can you repost in English please?[/p][/quote]Would it make any difference with you. Whatever is said you won't like it like everything else.[/p][/quote]' that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com[etition? don't this so it is were Cine de Lux how many sites across the uk do they own ? - doesn't look to me like an operator hell bent on eliminating other operators.' Please can you just explain what this means so that I can see if I like it or not. I think today perhaps you are so excited about this development some of your posts have been mistyped and I'm just trying to understand what you are talking about.[/p][/quote]Let's try a different route and see if you understand. All the major operators offered on the new cinema. Including cine, vue and odeon. Odeon so lease expires in leisure world in 2017. They don't want to stay there. Cine world are holding over on their lease. The cinema they have is no stadium seated and not suitable for today's market or digital offering. Cine de lux, if in deed they are the chosen occupier, offers a pretty high quality offer. All sorts of offers and prices but more facilities. You state that cine de lux want to kill off the competition. Looking at the number of sites they trade from, this would not seem to be the case. Very select sites in very few locations. Get all that or do you still know more than the operators? Ps. Bristol has 11 cinemas....[/p][/quote]It was not the business principles I don't understand, but your English. You have to admit that sentence did not make sense. I do not state that Cine De Lux were trying to kill off the competition, but was intimating that Odeon would like to kill off the competition and stop Cine De Lux moving into Southampton. Now I've tried a different route perhaps you will understand my point better. Clearly, you are in favour of non-active past times such as going to the cinema and eating in chain restaurants. Let's hope the NHS and SUHT have some money to chuck at developing the hospital to cope with the increase in illness caused by obesity and lack of exercise in Southampton. Some of us prefer less processed food and want to eat healthily and exercise more. Ice rinks provide the opportunity for all ages and abilities to exercise, presumably this is why some schools from Southampton take their students to Gosport for lessons every week. Contrary to some posts on here the ice hockey in Basingstoke is very well supported, regularly attracting crowds greater than those at Eastleigh FC. The poll in the Echo today is somewhat meaningless as it gives no indication of how many people have actually voted. It could only be 50 or even 5 with 10 separate devices I.e. laptop, phone, tablet etc. So to quote that is irrelevant. There is a demand for an ice rink in the area. The Ice Rink for Eastleigh Facebook page currently has around 1,700 'likes' to prove the demand is there. Not sure there is such a demand for the restaurants you have mentioned. P.S. The population of Bristol is more than twice the population of Southampton. 03alpe01
  • Score: -4

6:18pm Thu 10 Apr 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

All Southampton has to do to really put itself on the map in the South is by having a transportation system linking the different parts of town by an Electric Monorail system. Montreal has the right idea for this! Southampton needs a park and ride service as well and then people would not need their cars as much in the city. This would bring the real investment into the city not more flats, student halls and offices!
All Southampton has to do to really put itself on the map in the South is by having a transportation system linking the different parts of town by an Electric Monorail system. Montreal has the right idea for this! Southampton needs a park and ride service as well and then people would not need their cars as much in the city. This would bring the real investment into the city not more flats, student halls and offices! allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 1

6:22pm Thu 10 Apr 14

RealTalkSouthampton says...

To be fair this proposal is good. I'd just like to see great! Nicola Cortese
Saw potential in southampton fc and looked what his single devotion and determination has done. The whole footballing world talk about southampton fc. We need the council to have the same conviction. Be single minded in achieving something that has not been done before. It does not matter if the public support it. Let history tell the sorry. Now I'm going to be bold.

Weston shore is perfect for a side side attraction with rides,out door gym, arcades etc. This would be the end of the line for a tram.
Woolston riverside would have events areana, museum(history of the area), flats , trendy IT startup zone along side maritime factory and hotel. Tram would run through here.
Across the itchen bridge. The tram would run from Woolston station around and down to ocean village. From their it would go along platform road all the way passed ikea, towards the police station and then round to central station.
Build the casino etc at royal pier site. But make it the best casino in Europe in an old town setting with cobbled streets and very small boutique shops, wine cafés and independent everything. This blend of old and new will show southampton as a place where risk are taken.

I'd also like to point out that the ice rink idea has its merits. I know the guy that brought the site in st Mary's was very keen to get this going, but couldn't get the funding. So it begs the question if so many people want the rink then why don't they club together and make it happen. Just seems that you get to many people on these forums that want everything at somebody else's expensive.
To be fair this proposal is good. I'd just like to see great! Nicola Cortese Saw potential in southampton fc and looked what his single devotion and determination has done. The whole footballing world talk about southampton fc. We need the council to have the same conviction. Be single minded in achieving something that has not been done before. It does not matter if the public support it. Let history tell the sorry. Now I'm going to be bold. Weston shore is perfect for a side side attraction with rides,out door gym, arcades etc. This would be the end of the line for a tram. Woolston riverside would have events areana, museum(history of the area), flats , trendy IT startup zone along side maritime factory and hotel. Tram would run through here. Across the itchen bridge. The tram would run from Woolston station around and down to ocean village. From their it would go along platform road all the way passed ikea, towards the police station and then round to central station. Build the casino etc at royal pier site. But make it the best casino in Europe in an old town setting with cobbled streets and very small boutique shops, wine cafés and independent everything. This blend of old and new will show southampton as a place where risk are taken. I'd also like to point out that the ice rink idea has its merits. I know the guy that brought the site in st Mary's was very keen to get this going, but couldn't get the funding. So it begs the question if so many people want the rink then why don't they club together and make it happen. Just seems that you get to many people on these forums that want everything at somebody else's expensive. RealTalkSouthampton
  • Score: 1

6:23pm Thu 10 Apr 14

runwaypimp says...

I'd rather have a nice park & some family run restaurants/coffee shops.

We already have THREE cinemas within walking distance & way too many characterless commercial chained restaurants.
I'd rather have a nice park & some family run restaurants/coffee shops. We already have THREE cinemas within walking distance & way too many characterless commercial chained restaurants. runwaypimp
  • Score: 1

6:23pm Thu 10 Apr 14

RealTalkSouthampton says...

Sorry link for rink
http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/10851368
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_of_shelved_ice_rink
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Sorry link for rink http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/10851368 .Flats_plan_for_site _of_shelved_ice_rink _scheme/ RealTalkSouthampton
  • Score: 3

6:24pm Thu 10 Apr 14

elvisimo says...

03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW.

The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else.

I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc.

Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market.

No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach?
Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.
No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there.
I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one.
You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South.
So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?
if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them.
Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer.

ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?
yes, that they are trying to eliminate any competition. So you admit Showcase cinemas have the new cinema?
er phone Hammerson? - what difference does it make? that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com
Can you repost in English please?
Would it make any difference with you. Whatever is said you won't like it like everything else.
' that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com
Let's try a different route and see if you understand. All the major operators offered on the new cinema. Including cine, vue and odeon. Odeon so lease expires in leisure world in 2017. They don't want to stay there.

Cine world are holding over on their lease. The cinema they have is no stadium seated and not suitable for today's market or digital offering.

Cine de lux, if in deed they are the chosen occupier, offers a pretty high quality offer. All sorts of offers and prices but more facilities.

You state that cine de lux want to kill off the competition. Looking at the number of sites they trade from, this would not seem to be the case. Very select sites in very few locations.

Get all that or do you still know more than the operators? Ps. Bristol has 11 cinemas....
It was not the business principles I don't understand, but your English. You have to admit that sentence did not make sense. I do not state that Cine De Lux were trying to kill off the competition, but was intimating that Odeon would like to kill off the competition and stop Cine De Lux moving into Southampton. Now I've tried a different route perhaps you will understand my point better. Clearly, you are in favour of non-active past times such as going to the cinema and eating in chain restaurants. Let's hope the NHS and SUHT have some money to chuck at developing the hospital to cope with the increase in illness caused by obesity and lack of exercise in Southampton. Some of us prefer less processed food and want to eat healthily and exercise more. Ice rinks provide the opportunity for all ages and abilities to exercise, presumably this is why some schools from Southampton take their students to Gosport for lessons every week. Contrary to some posts on here the ice hockey in Basingstoke is very well supported, regularly attracting crowds greater than those at Eastleigh FC. The poll in the Echo today is somewhat meaningless as it gives no indication of how many people have actually voted. It could only be 50 or even 5 with 10 separate devices I.e. laptop, phone, tablet etc. So to quote that is irrelevant. There is a demand for an ice rink in the area. The Ice Rink for Eastleigh Facebook page currently has around 1,700 'likes' to prove the demand is there. Not sure there is such a demand for the restaurants you have mentioned.

P.S. The population of Bristol is more than twice the population of Southampton.
You still don't get it. This is not a council run or funded scheme. This is a commercial development by Hammerson. Do you expect a prime city centre site to go to a commercially non viable use? No one is saying there shouldn't be a cursed ice rink somewhere , probably on the outskirts but until such time that the council can run it , pay for it and subsidise it then it won't happen. It also has no relevance to what is planned here.
I have enough self control to be able to eat in restaurants without worrying about becoming obese. I can also treat myself to the occasional cinema visit without worrying about having a heart attack.

I'm not sure what the likes of Cote, Jamie's Italian, Carluccios view will be regarding your 'processed food' comment. Last time I checked they were not offering many mechanically recovered chicken based dishes.

One other point on Gosport and Basingstoke ice rinks. They may be great but they don't make money. Have a look at the accounts for planet ice and also the various cva and administration processes they have been through.

All these developments have a place.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?[/p][/quote]ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW. The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else. I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc. Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market. No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach? Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.[/p][/quote]No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there. I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one. You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South. So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?[/p][/quote]if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them. Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer. ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?[/p][/quote]yes, that they are trying to eliminate any competition. So you admit Showcase cinemas have the new cinema?[/p][/quote]er phone Hammerson? - what difference does it make? that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com[etition? don't this so it is were Cine de Lux how many sites across the uk do they own ? - doesn't look to me like an operator hell bent on eliminating other operators. Things change - go to the cinema, do some shopping, have a meal or a drink, try to come up with things that increase dwell times in city centres. Not rocket science - you may be happy to go to leisure world - im not.[/p][/quote]Can you repost in English please?[/p][/quote]Would it make any difference with you. Whatever is said you won't like it like everything else.[/p][/quote]' that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com[etition? don't this so it is were Cine de Lux how many sites across the uk do they own ? - doesn't look to me like an operator hell bent on eliminating other operators.' Please can you just explain what this means so that I can see if I like it or not. I think today perhaps you are so excited about this development some of your posts have been mistyped and I'm just trying to understand what you are talking about.[/p][/quote]Let's try a different route and see if you understand. All the major operators offered on the new cinema. Including cine, vue and odeon. Odeon so lease expires in leisure world in 2017. They don't want to stay there. Cine world are holding over on their lease. The cinema they have is no stadium seated and not suitable for today's market or digital offering. Cine de lux, if in deed they are the chosen occupier, offers a pretty high quality offer. All sorts of offers and prices but more facilities. You state that cine de lux want to kill off the competition. Looking at the number of sites they trade from, this would not seem to be the case. Very select sites in very few locations. Get all that or do you still know more than the operators? Ps. Bristol has 11 cinemas....[/p][/quote]It was not the business principles I don't understand, but your English. You have to admit that sentence did not make sense. I do not state that Cine De Lux were trying to kill off the competition, but was intimating that Odeon would like to kill off the competition and stop Cine De Lux moving into Southampton. Now I've tried a different route perhaps you will understand my point better. Clearly, you are in favour of non-active past times such as going to the cinema and eating in chain restaurants. Let's hope the NHS and SUHT have some money to chuck at developing the hospital to cope with the increase in illness caused by obesity and lack of exercise in Southampton. Some of us prefer less processed food and want to eat healthily and exercise more. Ice rinks provide the opportunity for all ages and abilities to exercise, presumably this is why some schools from Southampton take their students to Gosport for lessons every week. Contrary to some posts on here the ice hockey in Basingstoke is very well supported, regularly attracting crowds greater than those at Eastleigh FC. The poll in the Echo today is somewhat meaningless as it gives no indication of how many people have actually voted. It could only be 50 or even 5 with 10 separate devices I.e. laptop, phone, tablet etc. So to quote that is irrelevant. There is a demand for an ice rink in the area. The Ice Rink for Eastleigh Facebook page currently has around 1,700 'likes' to prove the demand is there. Not sure there is such a demand for the restaurants you have mentioned. P.S. The population of Bristol is more than twice the population of Southampton.[/p][/quote]You still don't get it. This is not a council run or funded scheme. This is a commercial development by Hammerson. Do you expect a prime city centre site to go to a commercially non viable use? No one is saying there shouldn't be a cursed ice rink somewhere , probably on the outskirts but until such time that the council can run it , pay for it and subsidise it then it won't happen. It also has no relevance to what is planned here. I have enough self control to be able to eat in restaurants without worrying about becoming obese. I can also treat myself to the occasional cinema visit without worrying about having a heart attack. I'm not sure what the likes of Cote, Jamie's Italian, Carluccios view will be regarding your 'processed food' comment. Last time I checked they were not offering many mechanically recovered chicken based dishes. One other point on Gosport and Basingstoke ice rinks. They may be great but they don't make money. Have a look at the accounts for planet ice and also the various cva and administration processes they have been through. All these developments have a place. elvisimo
  • Score: 4

6:26pm Thu 10 Apr 14

elvisimo says...

RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
To be fair this proposal is good. I'd just like to see great! Nicola Cortese
Saw potential in southampton fc and looked what his single devotion and determination has done. The whole footballing world talk about southampton fc. We need the council to have the same conviction. Be single minded in achieving something that has not been done before. It does not matter if the public support it. Let history tell the sorry. Now I'm going to be bold.

Weston shore is perfect for a side side attraction with rides,out door gym, arcades etc. This would be the end of the line for a tram.
Woolston riverside would have events areana, museum(history of the area), flats , trendy IT startup zone along side maritime factory and hotel. Tram would run through here.
Across the itchen bridge. The tram would run from Woolston station around and down to ocean village. From their it would go along platform road all the way passed ikea, towards the police station and then round to central station.
Build the casino etc at royal pier site. But make it the best casino in Europe in an old town setting with cobbled streets and very small boutique shops, wine cafés and independent everything. This blend of old and new will show southampton as a place where risk are taken.

I'd also like to point out that the ice rink idea has its merits. I know the guy that brought the site in st Mary's was very keen to get this going, but couldn't get the funding. So it begs the question if so many people want the rink then why don't they club together and make it happen. Just seems that you get to many people on these forums that want everything at somebody else's expensive.
Spot on.
[quote][p][bold]RealTalkSouthampton[/bold] wrote: To be fair this proposal is good. I'd just like to see great! Nicola Cortese Saw potential in southampton fc and looked what his single devotion and determination has done. The whole footballing world talk about southampton fc. We need the council to have the same conviction. Be single minded in achieving something that has not been done before. It does not matter if the public support it. Let history tell the sorry. Now I'm going to be bold. Weston shore is perfect for a side side attraction with rides,out door gym, arcades etc. This would be the end of the line for a tram. Woolston riverside would have events areana, museum(history of the area), flats , trendy IT startup zone along side maritime factory and hotel. Tram would run through here. Across the itchen bridge. The tram would run from Woolston station around and down to ocean village. From their it would go along platform road all the way passed ikea, towards the police station and then round to central station. Build the casino etc at royal pier site. But make it the best casino in Europe in an old town setting with cobbled streets and very small boutique shops, wine cafés and independent everything. This blend of old and new will show southampton as a place where risk are taken. I'd also like to point out that the ice rink idea has its merits. I know the guy that brought the site in st Mary's was very keen to get this going, but couldn't get the funding. So it begs the question if so many people want the rink then why don't they club together and make it happen. Just seems that you get to many people on these forums that want everything at somebody else's expensive.[/p][/quote]Spot on. elvisimo
  • Score: 8

6:37pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Lone Ranger. says...

RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
To be fair this proposal is good. I'd just like to see great! Nicola Cortese
Saw potential in southampton fc and looked what his single devotion and determination has done. The whole footballing world talk about southampton fc. We need the council to have the same conviction. Be single minded in achieving something that has not been done before. It does not matter if the public support it. Let history tell the sorry. Now I'm going to be bold.

Weston shore is perfect for a side side attraction with rides,out door gym, arcades etc. This would be the end of the line for a tram.
Woolston riverside would have events areana, museum(history of the area), flats , trendy IT startup zone along side maritime factory and hotel. Tram would run through here.
Across the itchen bridge. The tram would run from Woolston station around and down to ocean village. From their it would go along platform road all the way passed ikea, towards the police station and then round to central station.
Build the casino etc at royal pier site. But make it the best casino in Europe in an old town setting with cobbled streets and very small boutique shops, wine cafés and independent everything. This blend of old and new will show southampton as a place where risk are taken.

I'd also like to point out that the ice rink idea has its merits. I know the guy that brought the site in st Mary's was very keen to get this going, but couldn't get the funding. So it begs the question if so many people want the rink then why don't they club together and make it happen. Just seems that you get to many people on these forums that want everything at somebody else's expensive.
Excellent post ...
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I pointed out a few weeks ago that tenders have been returned for deveopement of Chapel area ...... and as i understand this is mainly for leisure activities .....
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[quote][p][bold]RealTalkSouthampton[/bold] wrote: To be fair this proposal is good. I'd just like to see great! Nicola Cortese Saw potential in southampton fc and looked what his single devotion and determination has done. The whole footballing world talk about southampton fc. We need the council to have the same conviction. Be single minded in achieving something that has not been done before. It does not matter if the public support it. Let history tell the sorry. Now I'm going to be bold. Weston shore is perfect for a side side attraction with rides,out door gym, arcades etc. This would be the end of the line for a tram. Woolston riverside would have events areana, museum(history of the area), flats , trendy IT startup zone along side maritime factory and hotel. Tram would run through here. Across the itchen bridge. The tram would run from Woolston station around and down to ocean village. From their it would go along platform road all the way passed ikea, towards the police station and then round to central station. Build the casino etc at royal pier site. But make it the best casino in Europe in an old town setting with cobbled streets and very small boutique shops, wine cafés and independent everything. This blend of old and new will show southampton as a place where risk are taken. I'd also like to point out that the ice rink idea has its merits. I know the guy that brought the site in st Mary's was very keen to get this going, but couldn't get the funding. So it begs the question if so many people want the rink then why don't they club together and make it happen. Just seems that you get to many people on these forums that want everything at somebody else's expensive.[/p][/quote]Excellent post ... . I pointed out a few weeks ago that tenders have been returned for deveopement of Chapel area ...... and as i understand this is mainly for leisure activities ..... . Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 0

7:23pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Dan Kerins says...

In response to a comment earlier about the validity of the ballot, I would just like to add that the ballot within the article above has (as of 7.15pm) attracted a total of 400 votes, with very few users attempting to vote for their preferred option multiple times and even if your strip those votes out, the percentages remain the same (as an aside, this article has been read 8,000 times so far).

The voting system is not foolproof or scientific, but there has been no obvious mass-attempt to swindle the poll for either option. It's simply intended as a rough barometer of public opinion, as opposed to the diametrically opposed views that are often on display in the comment section.
In response to a comment earlier about the validity of the ballot, I would just like to add that the ballot within the article above has (as of 7.15pm) attracted a total of 400 votes, with very few users attempting to vote for their preferred option multiple times and even if your strip those votes out, the percentages remain the same (as an aside, this article has been read 8,000 times so far). The voting system is not foolproof or scientific, but there has been no obvious mass-attempt to swindle the poll for either option. It's simply intended as a rough barometer of public opinion, as opposed to the diametrically opposed views that are often on display in the comment section. Dan Kerins
  • Score: 1

7:31pm Thu 10 Apr 14

03alpe01 says...

Dan Kerins wrote:
In response to a comment earlier about the validity of the ballot, I would just like to add that the ballot within the article above has (as of 7.15pm) attracted a total of 400 votes, with very few users attempting to vote for their preferred option multiple times and even if your strip those votes out, the percentages remain the same (as an aside, this article has been read 8,000 times so far).

The voting system is not foolproof or scientific, but there has been no obvious mass-attempt to swindle the poll for either option. It's simply intended as a rough barometer of public opinion, as opposed to the diametrically opposed views that are often on display in the comment section.
Oh good, 312 whole people are in favour of this in a City with a population of approx. 230,000!
[quote][p][bold]Dan Kerins[/bold] wrote: In response to a comment earlier about the validity of the ballot, I would just like to add that the ballot within the article above has (as of 7.15pm) attracted a total of 400 votes, with very few users attempting to vote for their preferred option multiple times and even if your strip those votes out, the percentages remain the same (as an aside, this article has been read 8,000 times so far). The voting system is not foolproof or scientific, but there has been no obvious mass-attempt to swindle the poll for either option. It's simply intended as a rough barometer of public opinion, as opposed to the diametrically opposed views that are often on display in the comment section.[/p][/quote]Oh good, 312 whole people are in favour of this in a City with a population of approx. 230,000! 03alpe01
  • Score: 1

7:42pm Thu 10 Apr 14

03alpe01 says...

elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW.

The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else.

I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc.

Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market.

No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach?
Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.
No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there.
I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one.
You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South.
So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?
if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them.
Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer.

ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?
yes, that they are trying to eliminate any competition. So you admit Showcase cinemas have the new cinema?
er phone Hammerson? - what difference does it make? that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com
Can you repost in English please?
Would it make any difference with you. Whatever is said you won't like it like everything else.
' that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com
Let's try a different route and see if you understand. All the major operators offered on the new cinema. Including cine, vue and odeon. Odeon so lease expires in leisure world in 2017. They don't want to stay there.

Cine world are holding over on their lease. The cinema they have is no stadium seated and not suitable for today's market or digital offering.

Cine de lux, if in deed they are the chosen occupier, offers a pretty high quality offer. All sorts of offers and prices but more facilities.

You state that cine de lux want to kill off the competition. Looking at the number of sites they trade from, this would not seem to be the case. Very select sites in very few locations.

Get all that or do you still know more than the operators? Ps. Bristol has 11 cinemas....
It was not the business principles I don't understand, but your English. You have to admit that sentence did not make sense. I do not state that Cine De Lux were trying to kill off the competition, but was intimating that Odeon would like to kill off the competition and stop Cine De Lux moving into Southampton. Now I've tried a different route perhaps you will understand my point better. Clearly, you are in favour of non-active past times such as going to the cinema and eating in chain restaurants. Let's hope the NHS and SUHT have some money to chuck at developing the hospital to cope with the increase in illness caused by obesity and lack of exercise in Southampton. Some of us prefer less processed food and want to eat healthily and exercise more. Ice rinks provide the opportunity for all ages and abilities to exercise, presumably this is why some schools from Southampton take their students to Gosport for lessons every week. Contrary to some posts on here the ice hockey in Basingstoke is very well supported, regularly attracting crowds greater than those at Eastleigh FC. The poll in the Echo today is somewhat meaningless as it gives no indication of how many people have actually voted. It could only be 50 or even 5 with 10 separate devices I.e. laptop, phone, tablet etc. So to quote that is irrelevant. There is a demand for an ice rink in the area. The Ice Rink for Eastleigh Facebook page currently has around 1,700 'likes' to prove the demand is there. Not sure there is such a demand for the restaurants you have mentioned.

P.S. The population of Bristol is more than twice the population of Southampton.
You still don't get it. This is not a council run or funded scheme. This is a commercial development by Hammerson. Do you expect a prime city centre site to go to a commercially non viable use? No one is saying there shouldn't be a cursed ice rink somewhere , probably on the outskirts but until such time that the council can run it , pay for it and subsidise it then it won't happen. It also has no relevance to what is planned here.
I have enough self control to be able to eat in restaurants without worrying about becoming obese. I can also treat myself to the occasional cinema visit without worrying about having a heart attack.

I'm not sure what the likes of Cote, Jamie's Italian, Carluccios view will be regarding your 'processed food' comment. Last time I checked they were not offering many mechanically recovered chicken based dishes.

One other point on Gosport and Basingstoke ice rinks. They may be great but they don't make money. Have a look at the accounts for planet ice and also the various cva and administration processes they have been through.

All these developments have a place.
You're still commenting on what you think I have said, without reading my posts properly and commenting on what I have actually said. I have never said anything about the Council funding or running this, but I would have liked them to have supported the bid for funding that Colin Warburg made to the same extent that they supported this bid for Government funding. I'm glad that you can exercise restraint with your eating, but unfortunately many people don't which is why there should be alternative leisure facilities on offer in a city like Southampton. With up to 20 restaurants and bars situated under this proposed cinema, how long until this development is an extension of the existing Leisure World situation?

With regards to the finances of Planet Ice and their associated businesses I would have credited you with more intelligence than simply looking at the bottom line of their balance sheet. Companies are not only wound up when they have no money and it pays to operate at a loss and there are many cost reasons for showing an operating loss.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?[/p][/quote]ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW. The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else. I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc. Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market. No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach? Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.[/p][/quote]No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there. I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one. You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South. So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?[/p][/quote]if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them. Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer. ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?[/p][/quote]yes, that they are trying to eliminate any competition. So you admit Showcase cinemas have the new cinema?[/p][/quote]er phone Hammerson? - what difference does it make? that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com[etition? don't this so it is were Cine de Lux how many sites across the uk do they own ? - doesn't look to me like an operator hell bent on eliminating other operators. Things change - go to the cinema, do some shopping, have a meal or a drink, try to come up with things that increase dwell times in city centres. Not rocket science - you may be happy to go to leisure world - im not.[/p][/quote]Can you repost in English please?[/p][/quote]Would it make any difference with you. Whatever is said you won't like it like everything else.[/p][/quote]' that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com[etition? don't this so it is were Cine de Lux how many sites across the uk do they own ? - doesn't look to me like an operator hell bent on eliminating other operators.' Please can you just explain what this means so that I can see if I like it or not. I think today perhaps you are so excited about this development some of your posts have been mistyped and I'm just trying to understand what you are talking about.[/p][/quote]Let's try a different route and see if you understand. All the major operators offered on the new cinema. Including cine, vue and odeon. Odeon so lease expires in leisure world in 2017. They don't want to stay there. Cine world are holding over on their lease. The cinema they have is no stadium seated and not suitable for today's market or digital offering. Cine de lux, if in deed they are the chosen occupier, offers a pretty high quality offer. All sorts of offers and prices but more facilities. You state that cine de lux want to kill off the competition. Looking at the number of sites they trade from, this would not seem to be the case. Very select sites in very few locations. Get all that or do you still know more than the operators? Ps. Bristol has 11 cinemas....[/p][/quote]It was not the business principles I don't understand, but your English. You have to admit that sentence did not make sense. I do not state that Cine De Lux were trying to kill off the competition, but was intimating that Odeon would like to kill off the competition and stop Cine De Lux moving into Southampton. Now I've tried a different route perhaps you will understand my point better. Clearly, you are in favour of non-active past times such as going to the cinema and eating in chain restaurants. Let's hope the NHS and SUHT have some money to chuck at developing the hospital to cope with the increase in illness caused by obesity and lack of exercise in Southampton. Some of us prefer less processed food and want to eat healthily and exercise more. Ice rinks provide the opportunity for all ages and abilities to exercise, presumably this is why some schools from Southampton take their students to Gosport for lessons every week. Contrary to some posts on here the ice hockey in Basingstoke is very well supported, regularly attracting crowds greater than those at Eastleigh FC. The poll in the Echo today is somewhat meaningless as it gives no indication of how many people have actually voted. It could only be 50 or even 5 with 10 separate devices I.e. laptop, phone, tablet etc. So to quote that is irrelevant. There is a demand for an ice rink in the area. The Ice Rink for Eastleigh Facebook page currently has around 1,700 'likes' to prove the demand is there. Not sure there is such a demand for the restaurants you have mentioned. P.S. The population of Bristol is more than twice the population of Southampton.[/p][/quote]You still don't get it. This is not a council run or funded scheme. This is a commercial development by Hammerson. Do you expect a prime city centre site to go to a commercially non viable use? No one is saying there shouldn't be a cursed ice rink somewhere , probably on the outskirts but until such time that the council can run it , pay for it and subsidise it then it won't happen. It also has no relevance to what is planned here. I have enough self control to be able to eat in restaurants without worrying about becoming obese. I can also treat myself to the occasional cinema visit without worrying about having a heart attack. I'm not sure what the likes of Cote, Jamie's Italian, Carluccios view will be regarding your 'processed food' comment. Last time I checked they were not offering many mechanically recovered chicken based dishes. One other point on Gosport and Basingstoke ice rinks. They may be great but they don't make money. Have a look at the accounts for planet ice and also the various cva and administration processes they have been through. All these developments have a place.[/p][/quote]You're still commenting on what you think I have said, without reading my posts properly and commenting on what I have actually said. I have never said anything about the Council funding or running this, but I would have liked them to have supported the bid for funding that Colin Warburg made to the same extent that they supported this bid for Government funding. I'm glad that you can exercise restraint with your eating, but unfortunately many people don't which is why there should be alternative leisure facilities on offer in a city like Southampton. With up to 20 restaurants and bars situated under this proposed cinema, how long until this development is an extension of the existing Leisure World situation? With regards to the finances of Planet Ice and their associated businesses I would have credited you with more intelligence than simply looking at the bottom line of their balance sheet. Companies are not only wound up when they have no money and it pays to operate at a loss and there are many cost reasons for showing an operating loss. 03alpe01
  • Score: 0

8:41pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Lone Ranger. says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Dan Kerins wrote:
In response to a comment earlier about the validity of the ballot, I would just like to add that the ballot within the article above has (as of 7.15pm) attracted a total of 400 votes, with very few users attempting to vote for their preferred option multiple times and even if your strip those votes out, the percentages remain the same (as an aside, this article has been read 8,000 times so far).

The voting system is not foolproof or scientific, but there has been no obvious mass-attempt to swindle the poll for either option. It's simply intended as a rough barometer of public opinion, as opposed to the diametrically opposed views that are often on display in the comment section.
Oh good, 312 whole people are in favour of this in a City with a population of approx. 230,000!
What a stupid comment ........ So 230,000 read this do they ???
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Kerins[/bold] wrote: In response to a comment earlier about the validity of the ballot, I would just like to add that the ballot within the article above has (as of 7.15pm) attracted a total of 400 votes, with very few users attempting to vote for their preferred option multiple times and even if your strip those votes out, the percentages remain the same (as an aside, this article has been read 8,000 times so far). The voting system is not foolproof or scientific, but there has been no obvious mass-attempt to swindle the poll for either option. It's simply intended as a rough barometer of public opinion, as opposed to the diametrically opposed views that are often on display in the comment section.[/p][/quote]Oh good, 312 whole people are in favour of this in a City with a population of approx. 230,000![/p][/quote]What a stupid comment ........ So 230,000 read this do they ??? Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 2

9:46pm Thu 10 Apr 14

SOULJACKER says...

It's always good to see lots of cranes on our skyline & buildings shooting up but it's after that that the rot sets in.
It looks nice for a few months but never gets maintained & ends up neglected by the public.
Look at London road & all the gum, Polish Tyskie beer cans, kebab rappers, smashed up bus shelters & telephone boxes & general trash everywhere from the revelleres the night before.
Look at guildhall square & how the marble seats are gradually becoming worn out from the skate boarders when they have all these skate parks springing up everywhere.
As I say, this can only be a good thing but people & councils need to look after things & be proud of what they have around them.
Other cities (especially London) look after their areas, I am in London a lot of the time & there are allways street cleaners cleaning up the previous nights carnage, no tipped over wheelie bins, public art in public spaces for people to enjoy but we don't get to have any of that because of inbred locals & people who generally don't give a dam!
I do hope this comes to fruition & it's looked after fror years to come :)
It's always good to see lots of cranes on our skyline & buildings shooting up but it's after that that the rot sets in. It looks nice for a few months but never gets maintained & ends up neglected by the public. Look at London road & all the gum, Polish Tyskie beer cans, kebab rappers, smashed up bus shelters & telephone boxes & general trash everywhere from the revelleres the night before. Look at guildhall square & how the marble seats are gradually becoming worn out from the skate boarders when they have all these skate parks springing up everywhere. As I say, this can only be a good thing but people & councils need to look after things & be proud of what they have around them. Other cities (especially London) look after their areas, I am in London a lot of the time & there are allways street cleaners cleaning up the previous nights carnage, no tipped over wheelie bins, public art in public spaces for people to enjoy but we don't get to have any of that because of inbred locals & people who generally don't give a dam! I do hope this comes to fruition & it's looked after fror years to come :) SOULJACKER
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10:11pm Thu 10 Apr 14

giotto says...

looks great, but both this and the 'gambling led' Royal Pier development are fatally flawed - 20 years ago Town Quay failed as a bar / restaurant destination as all the outdoor 'cafe society' area faced east and therefore received no sun after early afternoon and had to be hastily converted into an office based development - unfortunately the 2 new developments share the same orientation
looks great, but both this and the 'gambling led' Royal Pier development are fatally flawed - 20 years ago Town Quay failed as a bar / restaurant destination as all the outdoor 'cafe society' area faced east and therefore received no sun after early afternoon and had to be hastily converted into an office based development - unfortunately the 2 new developments share the same orientation giotto
  • Score: 9

11:09pm Thu 10 Apr 14

03alpe01 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Dan Kerins wrote:
In response to a comment earlier about the validity of the ballot, I would just like to add that the ballot within the article above has (as of 7.15pm) attracted a total of 400 votes, with very few users attempting to vote for their preferred option multiple times and even if your strip those votes out, the percentages remain the same (as an aside, this article has been read 8,000 times so far).

The voting system is not foolproof or scientific, but there has been no obvious mass-attempt to swindle the poll for either option. It's simply intended as a rough barometer of public opinion, as opposed to the diametrically opposed views that are often on display in the comment section.
Oh good, 312 whole people are in favour of this in a City with a population of approx. 230,000!
What a stupid comment ........ So 230,000 read this do they ???
Oh hello! Must be tomorrow already! My, doesn't time fly when you're having fun!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Kerins[/bold] wrote: In response to a comment earlier about the validity of the ballot, I would just like to add that the ballot within the article above has (as of 7.15pm) attracted a total of 400 votes, with very few users attempting to vote for their preferred option multiple times and even if your strip those votes out, the percentages remain the same (as an aside, this article has been read 8,000 times so far). The voting system is not foolproof or scientific, but there has been no obvious mass-attempt to swindle the poll for either option. It's simply intended as a rough barometer of public opinion, as opposed to the diametrically opposed views that are often on display in the comment section.[/p][/quote]Oh good, 312 whole people are in favour of this in a City with a population of approx. 230,000![/p][/quote]What a stupid comment ........ So 230,000 read this do they ???[/p][/quote]Oh hello! Must be tomorrow already! My, doesn't time fly when you're having fun! 03alpe01
  • Score: -3

7:14am Fri 11 Apr 14

loosehead says...

So Lone Ranger talks about Leisure development in Chapel? Is that Town Depot Chapel?
Would that be where they're building restaurants & flats instead of a Snow dome with Ice Rink & Rowing club incorporated in it?
I would have loved to see an out door arena with the City walls being lit up behind it but jobs are needed & hopefully they can fill this new part of West Quay when built or it will be a white elephant.
So Lone Ranger talks about Leisure development in Chapel? Is that Town Depot Chapel? Would that be where they're building restaurants & flats instead of a Snow dome with Ice Rink & Rowing club incorporated in it? I would have loved to see an out door arena with the City walls being lit up behind it but jobs are needed & hopefully they can fill this new part of West Quay when built or it will be a white elephant. loosehead
  • Score: 5

8:41am Fri 11 Apr 14

elvisimo says...

03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW.

The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else.

I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc.

Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market.

No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach?
Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.
No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there.
I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one.
You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South.
So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?
if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them.
Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer.

ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?
yes, that they are trying to eliminate any competition. So you admit Showcase cinemas have the new cinema?
er phone Hammerson? - what difference does it make? that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com
Can you repost in English please?
Would it make any difference with you. Whatever is said you won't like it like everything else.
' that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com
Let's try a different route and see if you understand. All the major operators offered on the new cinema. Including cine, vue and odeon. Odeon so lease expires in leisure world in 2017. They don't want to stay there.

Cine world are holding over on their lease. The cinema they have is no stadium seated and not suitable for today's market or digital offering.

Cine de lux, if in deed they are the chosen occupier, offers a pretty high quality offer. All sorts of offers and prices but more facilities.

You state that cine de lux want to kill off the competition. Looking at the number of sites they trade from, this would not seem to be the case. Very select sites in very few locations.

Get all that or do you still know more than the operators? Ps. Bristol has 11 cinemas....
It was not the business principles I don't understand, but your English. You have to admit that sentence did not make sense. I do not state that Cine De Lux were trying to kill off the competition, but was intimating that Odeon would like to kill off the competition and stop Cine De Lux moving into Southampton. Now I've tried a different route perhaps you will understand my point better. Clearly, you are in favour of non-active past times such as going to the cinema and eating in chain restaurants. Let's hope the NHS and SUHT have some money to chuck at developing the hospital to cope with the increase in illness caused by obesity and lack of exercise in Southampton. Some of us prefer less processed food and want to eat healthily and exercise more. Ice rinks provide the opportunity for all ages and abilities to exercise, presumably this is why some schools from Southampton take their students to Gosport for lessons every week. Contrary to some posts on here the ice hockey in Basingstoke is very well supported, regularly attracting crowds greater than those at Eastleigh FC. The poll in the Echo today is somewhat meaningless as it gives no indication of how many people have actually voted. It could only be 50 or even 5 with 10 separate devices I.e. laptop, phone, tablet etc. So to quote that is irrelevant. There is a demand for an ice rink in the area. The Ice Rink for Eastleigh Facebook page currently has around 1,700 'likes' to prove the demand is there. Not sure there is such a demand for the restaurants you have mentioned.

P.S. The population of Bristol is more than twice the population of Southampton.
You still don't get it. This is not a council run or funded scheme. This is a commercial development by Hammerson. Do you expect a prime city centre site to go to a commercially non viable use? No one is saying there shouldn't be a cursed ice rink somewhere , probably on the outskirts but until such time that the council can run it , pay for it and subsidise it then it won't happen. It also has no relevance to what is planned here.
I have enough self control to be able to eat in restaurants without worrying about becoming obese. I can also treat myself to the occasional cinema visit without worrying about having a heart attack.

I'm not sure what the likes of Cote, Jamie's Italian, Carluccios view will be regarding your 'processed food' comment. Last time I checked they were not offering many mechanically recovered chicken based dishes.

One other point on Gosport and Basingstoke ice rinks. They may be great but they don't make money. Have a look at the accounts for planet ice and also the various cva and administration processes they have been through.

All these developments have a place.
You're still commenting on what you think I have said, without reading my posts properly and commenting on what I have actually said. I have never said anything about the Council funding or running this, but I would have liked them to have supported the bid for funding that Colin Warburg made to the same extent that they supported this bid for Government funding. I'm glad that you can exercise restraint with your eating, but unfortunately many people don't which is why there should be alternative leisure facilities on offer in a city like Southampton. With up to 20 restaurants and bars situated under this proposed cinema, how long until this development is an extension of the existing Leisure World situation?

With regards to the finances of Planet Ice and their associated businesses I would have credited you with more intelligence than simply looking at the bottom line of their balance sheet. Companies are not only wound up when they have no money and it pays to operate at a loss and there are many cost reasons for showing an operating loss.
I think perhaps the HMRC winding up petition, the administration of Arena Leisure , the holding company say a bit more that the bottom Line of their balance sheet. As does the "F" credit rating (default imminent as does their minus figure across every company ( the have spun each rink into a separate co which should tell you a lot) for their net worth. Also look up PI leisure the "holding company".

this would suggest that whist Mr Warburgs plans were well meant - they were not financially viable.

As for alternative leisure facilities - what cant you do in Southampton apart from Ice skate - can you not swim, cycle run, use the sport centre, get involved in sailing and associated water sports, have access to the forest for walking, hiking etc. Its all there if people can be bothered to do it.

Leisure world and similar developments such as Valley Centretainment, Sheffield, Hemel Hempstead will evolve/ change as the market changes. Big wet lead operators no longer exist in the same quantity. People don't want to take family's to a cinema to mingle with people on a p iss up.

This is why you will find the proposed scheme will be very much along the same tenant line up as Leeds Trinity, Bristol Cabot Circus, Westfield London & Stratford - none of these are full of bars.

City centres across the uk are struggling. Online shopping has resulted in certain genres of retailers disappearing completely. If you want people to utilise a city centre there needs to be an all day convenient offer at the right prices for as large a cross section of the market.

Restaurateurs are not fools - a Zizi for example costs £750k to fit out, the likes of Las Iguanas spend £1m as do the likes of Carlucios. They undertake extensive research prior to taking sites. The fact that they have people queuing up to take space should tell you something.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?[/p][/quote]ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW. The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else. I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc. Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market. No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach? Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.[/p][/quote]No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there. I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one. You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South. So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?[/p][/quote]if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them. Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer. ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?[/p][/quote]yes, that they are trying to eliminate any competition. So you admit Showcase cinemas have the new cinema?[/p][/quote]er phone Hammerson? - what difference does it make? that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com[etition? don't this so it is were Cine de Lux how many sites across the uk do they own ? - doesn't look to me like an operator hell bent on eliminating other operators. Things change - go to the cinema, do some shopping, have a meal or a drink, try to come up with things that increase dwell times in city centres. Not rocket science - you may be happy to go to leisure world - im not.[/p][/quote]Can you repost in English please?[/p][/quote]Would it make any difference with you. Whatever is said you won't like it like everything else.[/p][/quote]' that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com[etition? don't this so it is were Cine de Lux how many sites across the uk do they own ? - doesn't look to me like an operator hell bent on eliminating other operators.' Please can you just explain what this means so that I can see if I like it or not. I think today perhaps you are so excited about this development some of your posts have been mistyped and I'm just trying to understand what you are talking about.[/p][/quote]Let's try a different route and see if you understand. All the major operators offered on the new cinema. Including cine, vue and odeon. Odeon so lease expires in leisure world in 2017. They don't want to stay there. Cine world are holding over on their lease. The cinema they have is no stadium seated and not suitable for today's market or digital offering. Cine de lux, if in deed they are the chosen occupier, offers a pretty high quality offer. All sorts of offers and prices but more facilities. You state that cine de lux want to kill off the competition. Looking at the number of sites they trade from, this would not seem to be the case. Very select sites in very few locations. Get all that or do you still know more than the operators? Ps. Bristol has 11 cinemas....[/p][/quote]It was not the business principles I don't understand, but your English. You have to admit that sentence did not make sense. I do not state that Cine De Lux were trying to kill off the competition, but was intimating that Odeon would like to kill off the competition and stop Cine De Lux moving into Southampton. Now I've tried a different route perhaps you will understand my point better. Clearly, you are in favour of non-active past times such as going to the cinema and eating in chain restaurants. Let's hope the NHS and SUHT have some money to chuck at developing the hospital to cope with the increase in illness caused by obesity and lack of exercise in Southampton. Some of us prefer less processed food and want to eat healthily and exercise more. Ice rinks provide the opportunity for all ages and abilities to exercise, presumably this is why some schools from Southampton take their students to Gosport for lessons every week. Contrary to some posts on here the ice hockey in Basingstoke is very well supported, regularly attracting crowds greater than those at Eastleigh FC. The poll in the Echo today is somewhat meaningless as it gives no indication of how many people have actually voted. It could only be 50 or even 5 with 10 separate devices I.e. laptop, phone, tablet etc. So to quote that is irrelevant. There is a demand for an ice rink in the area. The Ice Rink for Eastleigh Facebook page currently has around 1,700 'likes' to prove the demand is there. Not sure there is such a demand for the restaurants you have mentioned. P.S. The population of Bristol is more than twice the population of Southampton.[/p][/quote]You still don't get it. This is not a council run or funded scheme. This is a commercial development by Hammerson. Do you expect a prime city centre site to go to a commercially non viable use? No one is saying there shouldn't be a cursed ice rink somewhere , probably on the outskirts but until such time that the council can run it , pay for it and subsidise it then it won't happen. It also has no relevance to what is planned here. I have enough self control to be able to eat in restaurants without worrying about becoming obese. I can also treat myself to the occasional cinema visit without worrying about having a heart attack. I'm not sure what the likes of Cote, Jamie's Italian, Carluccios view will be regarding your 'processed food' comment. Last time I checked they were not offering many mechanically recovered chicken based dishes. One other point on Gosport and Basingstoke ice rinks. They may be great but they don't make money. Have a look at the accounts for planet ice and also the various cva and administration processes they have been through. All these developments have a place.[/p][/quote]You're still commenting on what you think I have said, without reading my posts properly and commenting on what I have actually said. I have never said anything about the Council funding or running this, but I would have liked them to have supported the bid for funding that Colin Warburg made to the same extent that they supported this bid for Government funding. I'm glad that you can exercise restraint with your eating, but unfortunately many people don't which is why there should be alternative leisure facilities on offer in a city like Southampton. With up to 20 restaurants and bars situated under this proposed cinema, how long until this development is an extension of the existing Leisure World situation? With regards to the finances of Planet Ice and their associated businesses I would have credited you with more intelligence than simply looking at the bottom line of their balance sheet. Companies are not only wound up when they have no money and it pays to operate at a loss and there are many cost reasons for showing an operating loss.[/p][/quote]I think perhaps the HMRC winding up petition, the administration of Arena Leisure , the holding company say a bit more that the bottom Line of their balance sheet. As does the "F" credit rating (default imminent as does their minus figure across every company ( the have spun each rink into a separate co which should tell you a lot) for their net worth. Also look up PI leisure the "holding company". this would suggest that whist Mr Warburgs plans were well meant - they were not financially viable. As for alternative leisure facilities - what cant you do in Southampton apart from Ice skate - can you not swim, cycle run, use the sport centre, get involved in sailing and associated water sports, have access to the forest for walking, hiking etc. Its all there if people can be bothered to do it. Leisure world and similar developments such as Valley Centretainment, Sheffield, Hemel Hempstead will evolve/ change as the market changes. Big wet lead operators no longer exist in the same quantity. People don't want to take family's to a cinema to mingle with people on a p iss up. This is why you will find the proposed scheme will be very much along the same tenant line up as Leeds Trinity, Bristol Cabot Circus, Westfield London & Stratford - none of these are full of bars. City centres across the uk are struggling. Online shopping has resulted in certain genres of retailers disappearing completely. If you want people to utilise a city centre there needs to be an all day convenient offer at the right prices for as large a cross section of the market. Restaurateurs are not fools - a Zizi for example costs £750k to fit out, the likes of Las Iguanas spend £1m as do the likes of Carlucios. They undertake extensive research prior to taking sites. The fact that they have people queuing up to take space should tell you something. elvisimo
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8:54am Fri 11 Apr 14

Zootopian says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Dan Kerins wrote:
In response to a comment earlier about the validity of the ballot, I would just like to add that the ballot within the article above has (as of 7.15pm) attracted a total of 400 votes, with very few users attempting to vote for their preferred option multiple times and even if your strip those votes out, the percentages remain the same (as an aside, this article has been read 8,000 times so far).

The voting system is not foolproof or scientific, but there has been no obvious mass-attempt to swindle the poll for either option. It's simply intended as a rough barometer of public opinion, as opposed to the diametrically opposed views that are often on display in the comment section.
Oh good, 312 whole people are in favour of this in a City with a population of approx. 230,000!
This comment could not be more moronic. It sums up beautifully you're childish mentality on this situation.

These 400 votes (which probably a lot more now) are far more indicative of public opinion than your nonsensical ramblings.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Kerins[/bold] wrote: In response to a comment earlier about the validity of the ballot, I would just like to add that the ballot within the article above has (as of 7.15pm) attracted a total of 400 votes, with very few users attempting to vote for their preferred option multiple times and even if your strip those votes out, the percentages remain the same (as an aside, this article has been read 8,000 times so far). The voting system is not foolproof or scientific, but there has been no obvious mass-attempt to swindle the poll for either option. It's simply intended as a rough barometer of public opinion, as opposed to the diametrically opposed views that are often on display in the comment section.[/p][/quote]Oh good, 312 whole people are in favour of this in a City with a population of approx. 230,000![/p][/quote]This comment could not be more moronic. It sums up beautifully you're childish mentality on this situation. These 400 votes (which probably a lot more now) are far more indicative of public opinion than your nonsensical ramblings. Zootopian
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8:57am Fri 11 Apr 14

Lone Ranger. says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Dan Kerins wrote:
In response to a comment earlier about the validity of the ballot, I would just like to add that the ballot within the article above has (as of 7.15pm) attracted a total of 400 votes, with very few users attempting to vote for their preferred option multiple times and even if your strip those votes out, the percentages remain the same (as an aside, this article has been read 8,000 times so far).

The voting system is not foolproof or scientific, but there has been no obvious mass-attempt to swindle the poll for either option. It's simply intended as a rough barometer of public opinion, as opposed to the diametrically opposed views that are often on display in the comment section.
Oh good, 312 whole people are in favour of this in a City with a population of approx. 230,000!
What a stupid comment ........ So 230,000 read this do they ???
Oh hello! Must be tomorrow already! My, doesn't time fly when you're having fun!
Your comment was so pathetic i just couldnt wait any longer .......
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Kerins[/bold] wrote: In response to a comment earlier about the validity of the ballot, I would just like to add that the ballot within the article above has (as of 7.15pm) attracted a total of 400 votes, with very few users attempting to vote for their preferred option multiple times and even if your strip those votes out, the percentages remain the same (as an aside, this article has been read 8,000 times so far). The voting system is not foolproof or scientific, but there has been no obvious mass-attempt to swindle the poll for either option. It's simply intended as a rough barometer of public opinion, as opposed to the diametrically opposed views that are often on display in the comment section.[/p][/quote]Oh good, 312 whole people are in favour of this in a City with a population of approx. 230,000![/p][/quote]What a stupid comment ........ So 230,000 read this do they ???[/p][/quote]Oh hello! Must be tomorrow already! My, doesn't time fly when you're having fun![/p][/quote]Your comment was so pathetic i just couldnt wait any longer ....... Lone Ranger.
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8:59am Fri 11 Apr 14

Zootopian says...

And to add, earlier on you through a seven year old ballot of 1,000 people was evidence that the city needed an Ice Rink.
And to add, earlier on you through a seven year old ballot of 1,000 people was evidence that the city needed an Ice Rink. Zootopian
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4:09pm Fri 11 Apr 14

230 repeat please says...

elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
SouthernRover80 wrote:
I think this is a great idea.

People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'.

Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.
You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans.

It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to piss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises.

It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).
do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?
ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW.

The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else.

I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc.

Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market.

No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach?
Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.
No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there.
I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one.
You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South.
So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?
if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them.
Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer.

ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?
yes, that they are trying to eliminate any competition. So you admit Showcase cinemas have the new cinema?
er phone Hammerson? - what difference does it make? that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com
Can you repost in English please?
Would it make any difference with you. Whatever is said you won't like it like everything else.
' that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com
Let's try a different route and see if you understand. All the major operators offered on the new cinema. Including cine, vue and odeon. Odeon so lease expires in leisure world in 2017. They don't want to stay there.

Cine world are holding over on their lease. The cinema they have is no stadium seated and not suitable for today's market or digital offering.

Cine de lux, if in deed they are the chosen occupier, offers a pretty high quality offer. All sorts of offers and prices but more facilities.

You state that cine de lux want to kill off the competition. Looking at the number of sites they trade from, this would not seem to be the case. Very select sites in very few locations.

Get all that or do you still know more than the operators? Ps. Bristol has 11 cinemas....
It was not the business principles I don't understand, but your English. You have to admit that sentence did not make sense. I do not state that Cine De Lux were trying to kill off the competition, but was intimating that Odeon would like to kill off the competition and stop Cine De Lux moving into Southampton. Now I've tried a different route perhaps you will understand my point better. Clearly, you are in favour of non-active past times such as going to the cinema and eating in chain restaurants. Let's hope the NHS and SUHT have some money to chuck at developing the hospital to cope with the increase in illness caused by obesity and lack of exercise in Southampton. Some of us prefer less processed food and want to eat healthily and exercise more. Ice rinks provide the opportunity for all ages and abilities to exercise, presumably this is why some schools from Southampton take their students to Gosport for lessons every week. Contrary to some posts on here the ice hockey in Basingstoke is very well supported, regularly attracting crowds greater than those at Eastleigh FC. The poll in the Echo today is somewhat meaningless as it gives no indication of how many people have actually voted. It could only be 50 or even 5 with 10 separate devices I.e. laptop, phone, tablet etc. So to quote that is irrelevant. There is a demand for an ice rink in the area. The Ice Rink for Eastleigh Facebook page currently has around 1,700 'likes' to prove the demand is there. Not sure there is such a demand for the restaurants you have mentioned.

P.S. The population of Bristol is more than twice the population of Southampton.
You still don't get it. This is not a council run or funded scheme. This is a commercial development by Hammerson. Do you expect a prime city centre site to go to a commercially non viable use? No one is saying there shouldn't be a cursed ice rink somewhere , probably on the outskirts but until such time that the council can run it , pay for it and subsidise it then it won't happen. It also has no relevance to what is planned here.
I have enough self control to be able to eat in restaurants without worrying about becoming obese. I can also treat myself to the occasional cinema visit without worrying about having a heart attack.

I'm not sure what the likes of Cote, Jamie's Italian, Carluccios view will be regarding your 'processed food' comment. Last time I checked they were not offering many mechanically recovered chicken based dishes.

One other point on Gosport and Basingstoke ice rinks. They may be great but they don't make money. Have a look at the accounts for planet ice and also the various cva and administration processes they have been through.

All these developments have a place.
You're still commenting on what you think I have said, without reading my posts properly and commenting on what I have actually said. I have never said anything about the Council funding or running this, but I would have liked them to have supported the bid for funding that Colin Warburg made to the same extent that they supported this bid for Government funding. I'm glad that you can exercise restraint with your eating, but unfortunately many people don't which is why there should be alternative leisure facilities on offer in a city like Southampton. With up to 20 restaurants and bars situated under this proposed cinema, how long until this development is an extension of the existing Leisure World situation?

With regards to the finances of Planet Ice and their associated businesses I would have credited you with more intelligence than simply looking at the bottom line of their balance sheet. Companies are not only wound up when they have no money and it pays to operate at a loss and there are many cost reasons for showing an operating loss.
I think perhaps the HMRC winding up petition, the administration of Arena Leisure , the holding company say a bit more that the bottom Line of their balance sheet. As does the "F" credit rating (default imminent as does their minus figure across every company ( the have spun each rink into a separate co which should tell you a lot) for their net worth. Also look up PI leisure the "holding company".

this would suggest that whist Mr Warburgs plans were well meant - they were not financially viable.

As for alternative leisure facilities - what cant you do in Southampton apart from Ice skate - can you not swim, cycle run, use the sport centre, get involved in sailing and associated water sports, have access to the forest for walking, hiking etc. Its all there if people can be bothered to do it.

Leisure world and similar developments such as Valley Centretainment, Sheffield, Hemel Hempstead will evolve/ change as the market changes. Big wet lead operators no longer exist in the same quantity. People don't want to take family's to a cinema to mingle with people on a p iss up.

This is why you will find the proposed scheme will be very much along the same tenant line up as Leeds Trinity, Bristol Cabot Circus, Westfield London & Stratford - none of these are full of bars.

City centres across the uk are struggling. Online shopping has resulted in certain genres of retailers disappearing completely. If you want people to utilise a city centre there needs to be an all day convenient offer at the right prices for as large a cross section of the market.

Restaurateurs are not fools - a Zizi for example costs £750k to fit out, the likes of Las Iguanas spend £1m as do the likes of Carlucios. They undertake extensive research prior to taking sites. The fact that they have people queuing up to take space should tell you something.
Oh dear, I think you are so preoccupied by trying to bamboozle people into thinking you are the fount of all knowledge, with inside information on every development in the Country, whilst also being a boffin of accounting practice that you are losing sight of the story.
We are informed that there will be up to 20 bars and restaurants, so like it or not people will still be mingling with booze fuelled individuals when taking their family to the cinema.
Development is needed in this area, (though it should compliment the old walls rather than detract from them) but the point is, people who care about Southampton, don't want to see it turned into a replica of Leeds Trinity, Bristol Cabot Circus, West London & Stratford. Many people hoped for different type of attraction, to encourage people into the City willing to part with their cash and boost our economy .
There are numerous restaurant/bar developments going on at the moment in the City, and residents can only visit so many. You mention Zizi, but they already have restaurants in Reading, Bournemouth, Basingstoke, Port Solent and Portsmouth, so they are unlikely to attract vast numbers of people into Southampton. Sadly, these plans don't offer any unique selling points for Southampton, which an alternative leisure option would have provided.
Whilst you are right, there are some fantastic outdoor leisure opportunities in and around the City, there are very limited opportunities for indoor leisure activities that appeal to all ages and therefore suitable for families. The Sports Centre and New Forest are excellent, but with the very wet weather of recent times, (which we are led to believe will become worse in the future) not suited to all year round use.
Only a few weeks ago the DE was full of stories from disgruntled restaurateurs bemoaning the evening car park charges and their effect on business, presumably they will be collateral damage of this substantial increase in competition and another waste area will be created. However, this story is full of "could" and "would" so it will be interesting to see what actually happens. We mustn't forget that although this is a private funded development, it is being enabled by a Government grant, and the Council can exercise some control during the planning process.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthernRover80[/bold] wrote: I think this is a great idea. People moan that this city is going to ruin, but when someone suggests an improvement. 'Boooooooooo! We don't want it!'. Think how much business Gunwharf has made for Portsmouth. Think how many people would not go to Gunwharf if they had a place like this on their own doorstep.[/p][/quote]You can safely ignore the majority of the comments though - the ballot on the story suggests 82% (at the moment) are in favour of the plans. It just so happens that the ones who don't like it are more inclined to pi[i][/i]ss and moan about it in the comments than those in favour are to sing its praises. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement on what we have currently (and if you think Southampton has loads of restaurants and bars for a city of its size, I suggest you travel a bit further than Eastleigh to see what the rest of the country and world is like).[/p][/quote]do you like the idea of Byron Burgers coming here then?[/p][/quote]ever been to one? - I have they are cheap and very good. They are also owned by Gondola Holdings who own Zizi, Ask and Pizza express who I guess you don't like. You wont have been to pretty much any of the brands they want to put in because they are - NEW. The restaurant offer in Southampton consists of some pretty iffy restaurants around oxford street and um er - not a lot else. I know your default setting is to not like this, the pier proposals, the proposed casino, the new hotel etc etc etc. Lets just not build any of it. Lets keep the city in the dark ages. Not everything has to be for everyone. Not everyone will like everything but to compete we need as wider range of offers to suit the top, bottom and middle of the market. No you wont get an stinking ice rink or arena unless there is a massive council, government, eu payout - that will not happen. As pointed out developers are there to make money. they only make money by creating space that occupiers want. These occupiers will only take space if their research shows there is a large enough untapped market. Do you think the likes of Cine Delux think, I know lets just chuck £5.75m at fitting out a new cinema in Southampton - hope it works. Or do you think they may take a slightly more scientific approach? Odeon - leisure world - dump in wrong location with poor food offer - ocean village - obsolete non stadia 25 year old cinema. - tricky one.[/p][/quote]No I haven't There cheapest meal deal (cheapest £6.75 burger, fries and a coke) costs £12.25. Who in Southampton has this kind of money to chuck at a burger and chips meal? Remember the flak George Osborne got for this and you think this is cheap? I get you're in favour of every development this city has to offer, but you represent your own opinions and your own opinions alone and not those of other Southampton residents. I couldn't care less what burger joints are available here, I was merely pointing out that they are an expensive chain and I'd like to know who in Southampton would go there. I get there will never be an ice rink or arena in Southampton- but that doesn't stop people from wanting one. You might hate Leisure World, but that doesn't stop it from being operated by the UK's number one cinema chain and being one of only two IMAX cinemas in the South. So you admit the new cinema is a Showcase Cinema de Lux? The same as in Cabot Circus, Bristol?[/p][/quote]if you cant afford 12 for a meal out I guess that you don't eat out a lot? what would you spend in Pizza Express or some where like Frankie & Bennys - they seem to do very good business so I would guess may people can afford them. Jamies Italian, Wahacha etc - no more expensive just a different offer. ps. Odeon offered on the cinema space - tell you anything?[/p][/quote]yes, that they are trying to eliminate any competition. So you admit Showcase cinemas have the new cinema?[/p][/quote]er phone Hammerson? - what difference does it make? that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com[etition? don't this so it is were Cine de Lux how many sites across the uk do they own ? - doesn't look to me like an operator hell bent on eliminating other operators. Things change - go to the cinema, do some shopping, have a meal or a drink, try to come up with things that increase dwell times in city centres. Not rocket science - you may be happy to go to leisure world - im not.[/p][/quote]Can you repost in English please?[/p][/quote]Would it make any difference with you. Whatever is said you won't like it like everything else.[/p][/quote]' that is your business case - they speculate on eliminating com[etition? don't this so it is were Cine de Lux how many sites across the uk do they own ? - doesn't look to me like an operator hell bent on eliminating other operators.' Please can you just explain what this means so that I can see if I like it or not. I think today perhaps you are so excited about this development some of your posts have been mistyped and I'm just trying to understand what you are talking about.[/p][/quote]Let's try a different route and see if you understand. All the major operators offered on the new cinema. Including cine, vue and odeon. Odeon so lease expires in leisure world in 2017. They don't want to stay there. Cine world are holding over on their lease. The cinema they have is no stadium seated and not suitable for today's market or digital offering. Cine de lux, if in deed they are the chosen occupier, offers a pretty high quality offer. All sorts of offers and prices but more facilities. You state that cine de lux want to kill off the competition. Looking at the number of sites they trade from, this would not seem to be the case. Very select sites in very few locations. Get all that or do you still know more than the operators? Ps. Bristol has 11 cinemas....[/p][/quote]It was not the business principles I don't understand, but your English. You have to admit that sentence did not make sense. I do not state that Cine De Lux were trying to kill off the competition, but was intimating that Odeon would like to kill off the competition and stop Cine De Lux moving into Southampton. Now I've tried a different route perhaps you will understand my point better. Clearly, you are in favour of non-active past times such as going to the cinema and eating in chain restaurants. Let's hope the NHS and SUHT have some money to chuck at developing the hospital to cope with the increase in illness caused by obesity and lack of exercise in Southampton. Some of us prefer less processed food and want to eat healthily and exercise more. Ice rinks provide the opportunity for all ages and abilities to exercise, presumably this is why some schools from Southampton take their students to Gosport for lessons every week. Contrary to some posts on here the ice hockey in Basingstoke is very well supported, regularly attracting crowds greater than those at Eastleigh FC. The poll in the Echo today is somewhat meaningless as it gives no indication of how many people have actually voted. It could only be 50 or even 5 with 10 separate devices I.e. laptop, phone, tablet etc. So to quote that is irrelevant. There is a demand for an ice rink in the area. The Ice Rink for Eastleigh Facebook page currently has around 1,700 'likes' to prove the demand is there. Not sure there is such a demand for the restaurants you have mentioned. P.S. The population of Bristol is more than twice the population of Southampton.[/p][/quote]You still don't get it. This is not a council run or funded scheme. This is a commercial development by Hammerson. Do you expect a prime city centre site to go to a commercially non viable use? No one is saying there shouldn't be a cursed ice rink somewhere , probably on the outskirts but until such time that the council can run it , pay for it and subsidise it then it won't happen. It also has no relevance to what is planned here. I have enough self control to be able to eat in restaurants without worrying about becoming obese. I can also treat myself to the occasional cinema visit without worrying about having a heart attack. I'm not sure what the likes of Cote, Jamie's Italian, Carluccios view will be regarding your 'processed food' comment. Last time I checked they were not offering many mechanically recovered chicken based dishes. One other point on Gosport and Basingstoke ice rinks. They may be great but they don't make money. Have a look at the accounts for planet ice and also the various cva and administration processes they have been through. All these developments have a place.[/p][/quote]You're still commenting on what you think I have said, without reading my posts properly and commenting on what I have actually said. I have never said anything about the Council funding or running this, but I would have liked them to have supported the bid for funding that Colin Warburg made to the same extent that they supported this bid for Government funding. I'm glad that you can exercise restraint with your eating, but unfortunately many people don't which is why there should be alternative leisure facilities on offer in a city like Southampton. With up to 20 restaurants and bars situated under this proposed cinema, how long until this development is an extension of the existing Leisure World situation? With regards to the finances of Planet Ice and their associated businesses I would have credited you with more intelligence than simply looking at the bottom line of their balance sheet. Companies are not only wound up when they have no money and it pays to operate at a loss and there are many cost reasons for showing an operating loss.[/p][/quote]I think perhaps the HMRC winding up petition, the administration of Arena Leisure , the holding company say a bit more that the bottom Line of their balance sheet. As does the "F" credit rating (default imminent as does their minus figure across every company ( the have spun each rink into a separate co which should tell you a lot) for their net worth. Also look up PI leisure the "holding company". this would suggest that whist Mr Warburgs plans were well meant - they were not financially viable. As for alternative leisure facilities - what cant you do in Southampton apart from Ice skate - can you not swim, cycle run, use the sport centre, get involved in sailing and associated water sports, have access to the forest for walking, hiking etc. Its all there if people can be bothered to do it. Leisure world and similar developments such as Valley Centretainment, Sheffield, Hemel Hempstead will evolve/ change as the market changes. Big wet lead operators no longer exist in the same quantity. People don't want to take family's to a cinema to mingle with people on a p iss up. This is why you will find the proposed scheme will be very much along the same tenant line up as Leeds Trinity, Bristol Cabot Circus, Westfield London & Stratford - none of these are full of bars. City centres across the uk are struggling. Online shopping has resulted in certain genres of retailers disappearing completely. If you want people to utilise a city centre there needs to be an all day convenient offer at the right prices for as large a cross section of the market. Restaurateurs are not fools - a Zizi for example costs £750k to fit out, the likes of Las Iguanas spend £1m as do the likes of Carlucios. They undertake extensive research prior to taking sites. The fact that they have people queuing up to take space should tell you something.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, I think you are so preoccupied by trying to bamboozle people into thinking you are the fount of all knowledge, with inside information on every development in the Country, whilst also being a boffin of accounting practice that you are losing sight of the story. We are informed that there will be up to 20 bars and restaurants, so like it or not people will still be mingling with booze fuelled individuals when taking their family to the cinema. Development is needed in this area, (though it should compliment the old walls rather than detract from them) but the point is, people who care about Southampton, don't want to see it turned into a replica of Leeds Trinity, Bristol Cabot Circus, West London & Stratford. Many people hoped for different type of attraction, to encourage people into the City willing to part with their cash and boost our economy . There are numerous restaurant/bar developments going on at the moment in the City, and residents can only visit so many. You mention Zizi, but they already have restaurants in Reading, Bournemouth, Basingstoke, Port Solent and Portsmouth, so they are unlikely to attract vast numbers of people into Southampton. Sadly, these plans don't offer any unique selling points for Southampton, which an alternative leisure option would have provided. Whilst you are right, there are some fantastic outdoor leisure opportunities in and around the City, there are very limited opportunities for indoor leisure activities that appeal to all ages and therefore suitable for families. The Sports Centre and New Forest are excellent, but with the very wet weather of recent times, (which we are led to believe will become worse in the future) not suited to all year round use. Only a few weeks ago the DE was full of stories from disgruntled restaurateurs bemoaning the evening car park charges and their effect on business, presumably they will be collateral damage of this substantial increase in competition and another waste area will be created. However, this story is full of "could" and "would" so it will be interesting to see what actually happens. We mustn't forget that although this is a private funded development, it is being enabled by a Government grant, and the Council can exercise some control during the planning process. 230 repeat please
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8:00pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Saint Botley says...

The water fountains and pools are a very attractive feature. I'm very enthusiastic about this project. Perfect for the area and they've clearly tried to respect the traditions of the city with the design.
The water fountains and pools are a very attractive feature. I'm very enthusiastic about this project. Perfect for the area and they've clearly tried to respect the traditions of the city with the design. Saint Botley
  • Score: 4

8:14pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Transport Links Light Railway?
Transport Links Light Railway? Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: -1

9:37pm Fri 11 Apr 14

phil maccavity says...

Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
Transport Links Light Railway?
There was a project to bring a Monorail system to Soton about 30-40 years ago but it floundered due to cost and disruption.
There are 9 Light Railway Schemes in England & Scotland some good, some bad, some indifferent and then there is Edinburgh!!
Seven of the schemes are Birmingham and further north and 2 in/around London which shows why this area is unlikely to get any assistance with the £21million per mile it costs on average to provide such a system.
I would love to see a Light Railway system in Soton but unless Govt stumps up the cash it is not going to happen
[quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: Transport Links Light Railway?[/p][/quote]There was a project to bring a Monorail system to Soton about 30-40 years ago but it floundered due to cost and disruption. There are 9 Light Railway Schemes in England & Scotland some good, some bad, some indifferent and then there is Edinburgh!! Seven of the schemes are Birmingham and further north and 2 in/around London which shows why this area is unlikely to get any assistance with the £21million per mile it costs on average to provide such a system. I would love to see a Light Railway system in Soton but unless Govt stumps up the cash it is not going to happen phil maccavity
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8:19am Sat 12 Apr 14

loosehead says...

phil maccavity wrote:
Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
Transport Links Light Railway?
There was a project to bring a Monorail system to Soton about 30-40 years ago but it floundered due to cost and disruption.
There are 9 Light Railway Schemes in England & Scotland some good, some bad, some indifferent and then there is Edinburgh!!
Seven of the schemes are Birmingham and further north and 2 in/around London which shows why this area is unlikely to get any assistance with the £21million per mile it costs on average to provide such a system.
I would love to see a Light Railway system in Soton but unless Govt stumps up the cash it is not going to happen
Phil it was by Bristowes & Whitehead put it forward when he was a councillor but a Tory Government Minister refused it I for one thought that was the wrong decision & thought it was the only good idea Whitehead had.
I would love to see this or any other council try for this again.
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: Transport Links Light Railway?[/p][/quote]There was a project to bring a Monorail system to Soton about 30-40 years ago but it floundered due to cost and disruption. There are 9 Light Railway Schemes in England & Scotland some good, some bad, some indifferent and then there is Edinburgh!! Seven of the schemes are Birmingham and further north and 2 in/around London which shows why this area is unlikely to get any assistance with the £21million per mile it costs on average to provide such a system. I would love to see a Light Railway system in Soton but unless Govt stumps up the cash it is not going to happen[/p][/quote]Phil it was by Bristowes & Whitehead put it forward when he was a councillor but a Tory Government Minister refused it I for one thought that was the wrong decision & thought it was the only good idea Whitehead had. I would love to see this or any other council try for this again. loosehead
  • Score: 1

7:49pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Turtlebay says...

"architects ACME" - remember them?

The company that provided all the prop failures in all the cartoons of Daffy Duck and Bugs Bunny!
"architects ACME" - remember them? The company that provided all the prop failures in all the cartoons of Daffy Duck and Bugs Bunny! Turtlebay
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3:59am Sun 13 Apr 14

HenryMcUK says...

Some of the posts here are ridiculous.

First its "we dont need another cinema" then its "all about business rates and greed." Well clearly a cinema would make money which means it would be popular which means it is needed.

Then it's "we need an ice rink." Why do you think one hasn't been built? Everyone says they are popular and it would be a busy attraction, well wouldn't those greedy companies building another cinema jump at the chance to build a profitable and busy ice rink?

Or could it be that the greedy companies won't build an ice rink because they know it will lose money.

And why would it lose money? Because it's not popular.

Then it's "not more chain stores." A lot of the places mentioned aren't exactly chain stores but small businesses wanting to expand. Shouldn't we be supporting companies who want to bring employment to this city and take on the big chains like Weatherspoons and Pizza Express?
Some of the posts here are ridiculous. First its "we dont need another cinema" then its "all about business rates and greed." Well clearly a cinema would make money which means it would be popular which means it is needed. Then it's "we need an ice rink." Why do you think one hasn't been built? Everyone says they are popular and it would be a busy attraction, well wouldn't those greedy companies building another cinema jump at the chance to build a profitable and busy ice rink? Or could it be that the greedy companies won't build an ice rink because they know it will lose money. And why would it lose money? Because it's not popular. Then it's "not more chain stores." A lot of the places mentioned aren't exactly chain stores but small businesses wanting to expand. Shouldn't we be supporting companies who want to bring employment to this city and take on the big chains like Weatherspoons and Pizza Express? HenryMcUK
  • Score: 0

12:05pm Sun 13 Apr 14

bigfella777 says...

Saint Botley wrote:
The water fountains and pools are a very attractive feature. I'm very enthusiastic about this project. Perfect for the area and they've clearly tried to respect the traditions of the city with the design.
What's the betting when it's finished they will be left out, just as the travelators were in West Quay.
[quote][p][bold]Saint Botley[/bold] wrote: The water fountains and pools are a very attractive feature. I'm very enthusiastic about this project. Perfect for the area and they've clearly tried to respect the traditions of the city with the design.[/p][/quote]What's the betting when it's finished they will be left out, just as the travelators were in West Quay. bigfella777
  • Score: 0

10:59am Mon 14 Apr 14

Saint Botley says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Saint Botley wrote:
The water fountains and pools are a very attractive feature. I'm very enthusiastic about this project. Perfect for the area and they've clearly tried to respect the traditions of the city with the design.
What's the betting when it's finished they will be left out, just as the travelators were in West Quay.
Yeah, the council should hold their ground on that. The water features are central to the whole design. If they're lost in some sort of budget cutting exercise then the whole development will appear a bit underwhelming. It's features like that which make a massive difference. To lose them and save a few quid in the short term would have a very negative impact on the long term success .
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Botley[/bold] wrote: The water fountains and pools are a very attractive feature. I'm very enthusiastic about this project. Perfect for the area and they've clearly tried to respect the traditions of the city with the design.[/p][/quote]What's the betting when it's finished they will be left out, just as the travelators were in West Quay.[/p][/quote]Yeah, the council should hold their ground on that. The water features are central to the whole design. If they're lost in some sort of budget cutting exercise then the whole development will appear a bit underwhelming. It's features like that which make a massive difference. To lose them and save a few quid in the short term would have a very negative impact on the long term success . Saint Botley
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