Figures reveal the cost of Southampton's teenage pregnancy is more than £4m per year

True cost of teenage pregnancy problem more than £4m per year

True cost of teenage pregnancy problem more than £4m per year

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THE true cost of Southampton’s ongoing problem with teenage pregnancy runs to more than £4m a year the Daily Echo can reveal.

Latest figures show that for every teenage parent in the city it costs the tax- payer an estimated £15,000 a year in benefits and housing, amongst other costs.

In 2012 there were 129 teenage pregnancies, making 258 new parents – costing the city just under £4m for just these new mums and dads.

And with Southampton’s teenage pregnancy rates persisting to be some of the highest in the country council bosses have vowed to make the issue, which has plagued Southampton for so long, a top priority.

Daily Echo:

Teenage pregnancy is well-known problem in Southampton

To achieve that aim a new task force has been launched by Southampton City Council, which is currently drawing up an action plan to slash rates and bring the city back in line with its statistical neighbours.

Problem hotspots The drive to reduce teenage pregnancy comes after city health bosses admitted that there had been “a significant reduction” in leadership on the issue as a result of a lack of focus nationally.

But they are determined to turn that around and ensure that progress made over the last decade to reduce conception rates for under-18s is maintained and more importantly built upon in Southampton.

Latest figures reveal that Freemantle, Woolston, Redbridge, Millbrook and Bitterne are problem hotspots for the citywith under-18 conception rates “significantly higher” than the England average.

Those in charge admit that the rate of decline has been slower than others areas similar to Southampton.

A report to Southampton City Council’s health and wellbeing board reveals there were 129 teenage pregnancies in Southampton during 2012, 24 of which were under the age of 16 – equating to 34.3 conceptions per 1,000 females aged 15 to 17.

Although this rate has declined steadily over the last decade it remains much higher than the rate in the south east, which stands at 23.2 per 1,000, and England, which has a rate of 27.7 per 1,000.

The under-16 conception rate in the city between 2010 and 2012 of 8.5 per 1,000 females aged between 13 and 15 is also higher compared to the south east rate of five for every 1,000 girls and the rate for England, which stands at 6.1 per 1,000 girls.

Work on the action plan is underway and will be looking at a range of different ways to attack the problem, including targeted work with those young people at particular risk, ensuring availability of effective contraception to all sexually active young people and appointing local “champions” within the health service to lead on the issue.

Daily Echo:

Heading up the taskforce is Councillor Mark Chaloner, who has been appointed as the “champion” for tackling teenage pregnancy and he hopes to see new innovative methods brought in to achieve their goal.

He said: “Teenage pregnancy has fallen off the national agenda and that’s not right.

“We think it is time to turn round and get back on the case to try and reduce these rates in Southampton.

“I am excited about this and I am hopeful that we can try and make a difference. It will be slow and difficult as we do, in Southampton, have a sustained problem but with a sustained focus I hope we can make a difference.

“We haven’t drawn up the action plan yet but we want it to be as innovative as possible and we will be looking across the country to see what has worked for others, as well as looking to build an inter-agency approach.

“I would like to see our rates to be similar to comparative authorities, initially, as it is always going to be a struggle with the national average because we are an urban area with our own particular problems.

“But I would like at the very least to be in line with areas similar to Southampton. That is an achievable aim. I can’t say when but it is achievable.”

He added that he hoped the action plan would be completed within the next three to six months.

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7:14am Tue 22 Apr 14

Biscuit says...

Simple answer - food vouchers and hostels.
Simple answer - food vouchers and hostels. Biscuit
  • Score: 65

7:36am Tue 22 Apr 14

Queen Victoria says...

stop free housing and benefits and make them live with their parents.
stop free housing and benefits and make them live with their parents. Queen Victoria
  • Score: 70

8:02am Tue 22 Apr 14

tootle says...

Giving parents rights back might make a difference. Why should parents be forced to house children when the Government and it's raft of legislation prevents one taking any action at all towards preventing said child becoming pregnant. The Nanny state wants to be a nanny and this is one of the consequences. Again there are no consequences for the male, there are major consequences for the female but they are really not spelled out early enough. My daughter went wild, had a baby, has been housed and is being supported by the state and is working voluntarily and going to college to earn qualifications and get a job which should take her out of benefits eventually. One of her mates, several years younger is also being housed and kept with a child the same age but she is now pregnant with her second child who has apparently a better father but nobody seems to be suggesting any father starts keeping their off spring!. Whilst there are no real consequences, especially for the male, the teenage pregnancy rate will continue.
Giving parents rights back might make a difference. Why should parents be forced to house children when the Government and it's raft of legislation prevents one taking any action at all towards preventing said child becoming pregnant. The Nanny state wants to be a nanny and this is one of the consequences. Again there are no consequences for the male, there are major consequences for the female but they are really not spelled out early enough. My daughter went wild, had a baby, has been housed and is being supported by the state and is working voluntarily and going to college to earn qualifications and get a job which should take her out of benefits eventually. One of her mates, several years younger is also being housed and kept with a child the same age but she is now pregnant with her second child who has apparently a better father but nobody seems to be suggesting any father starts keeping their off spring!. Whilst there are no real consequences, especially for the male, the teenage pregnancy rate will continue. tootle
  • Score: -8

8:27am Tue 22 Apr 14

kyrrie says...

If the parents of both the father and mother of the pregnant teenager have encouraged them to go ahead with the pregnancy and not have the child aborted or adopted then that is fine but they should be made to house and support the new family and not the state especially if they are under 16.
If the parents of both the father and mother of the pregnant teenager have encouraged them to go ahead with the pregnancy and not have the child aborted or adopted then that is fine but they should be made to house and support the new family and not the state especially if they are under 16. kyrrie
  • Score: 36

8:29am Tue 22 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

Main cost = destroyed life. Impossible to tackle while the lunatic state incentivises it. Everyone knows that, so why waste money on advisers saying "Don't like living with mam? Well although the state will give you a nice place of your own if you get knocked up, I'm sure you wouldn't like it" When the conversation should be "Wow, isn't your house going to be crowded if you knock out a baby! Bet your mum will be angrier than ever"
Main cost = destroyed life. Impossible to tackle while the lunatic state incentivises it. Everyone knows that, so why waste money on advisers saying "Don't like living with mam? Well although the state will give you a nice place of your own if you get knocked up, I'm sure you wouldn't like it" When the conversation should be "Wow, isn't your house going to be crowded if you knock out a baby! Bet your mum will be angrier than ever" Dai Rear
  • Score: 17

8:34am Tue 22 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

And yes. The "babyfather" needs to be told "you're working and you're paying for the next 18 years, Sunshine, else you'll be running your races as a gelding"
Problem solved. Contraception works, in the absence of a certifiably insane welfare state.
And yes. The "babyfather" needs to be told "you're working and you're paying for the next 18 years, Sunshine, else you'll be running your races as a gelding" Problem solved. Contraception works, in the absence of a certifiably insane welfare state. Dai Rear
  • Score: 22

8:59am Tue 22 Apr 14

tootle says...

Dai Rear wrote:
And yes. The "babyfather" needs to be told "you're working and you're paying for the next 18 years, Sunshine, else you'll be running your races as a gelding"
Problem solved. Contraception works, in the absence of a certifiably insane welfare state.
Exactly. Well remember my son coming home after a talk at secondary school. In his words it boiled down to this. If you get a girl pregnant do not marry her, do not move in with her, do not take any responsibility because as a single mother she will get housed better and quicker and be better off without you.. I was horrified, check with a couple of his classmates and he's about right. I just hope they are giving a better orientated talk these days.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: And yes. The "babyfather" needs to be told "you're working and you're paying for the next 18 years, Sunshine, else you'll be running your races as a gelding" Problem solved. Contraception works, in the absence of a certifiably insane welfare state.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Well remember my son coming home after a talk at secondary school. In his words it boiled down to this. If you get a girl pregnant do not marry her, do not move in with her, do not take any responsibility because as a single mother she will get housed better and quicker and be better off without you.. I was horrified, check with a couple of his classmates and he's about right. I just hope they are giving a better orientated talk these days. tootle
  • Score: 15

9:18am Tue 22 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

tootle wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
And yes. The "babyfather" needs to be told "you're working and you're paying for the next 18 years, Sunshine, else you'll be running your races as a gelding"
Problem solved. Contraception works, in the absence of a certifiably insane welfare state.
Exactly. Well remember my son coming home after a talk at secondary school. In his words it boiled down to this. If you get a girl pregnant do not marry her, do not move in with her, do not take any responsibility because as a single mother she will get housed better and quicker and be better off without you.. I was horrified, check with a couple of his classmates and he's about right. I just hope they are giving a better orientated talk these days.
I well remember a friend of mine wanting to move out of her parents home, going to the housing office to ask about a council flat and being directly advised by them to get herself pregnant. Words along the lines of "Get yourself pregnant, love, you'll go to the top of the list". From the council.

Luckily she was too intelligent a girl to go down that route, but of course, plenty aren't. What did we expect to happen when we made "single mother" a viable career option?
[quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: And yes. The "babyfather" needs to be told "you're working and you're paying for the next 18 years, Sunshine, else you'll be running your races as a gelding" Problem solved. Contraception works, in the absence of a certifiably insane welfare state.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Well remember my son coming home after a talk at secondary school. In his words it boiled down to this. If you get a girl pregnant do not marry her, do not move in with her, do not take any responsibility because as a single mother she will get housed better and quicker and be better off without you.. I was horrified, check with a couple of his classmates and he's about right. I just hope they are giving a better orientated talk these days.[/p][/quote]I well remember a friend of mine wanting to move out of her parents home, going to the housing office to ask about a council flat and being directly advised by them to get herself pregnant. Words along the lines of "Get yourself pregnant, love, you'll go to the top of the list". From the council. Luckily she was too intelligent a girl to go down that route, but of course, plenty aren't. What did we expect to happen when we made "single mother" a viable career option? Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 11

9:19am Tue 22 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

tootle wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
And yes. The "babyfather" needs to be told "you're working and you're paying for the next 18 years, Sunshine, else you'll be running your races as a gelding"
Problem solved. Contraception works, in the absence of a certifiably insane welfare state.
Exactly. Well remember my son coming home after a talk at secondary school. In his words it boiled down to this. If you get a girl pregnant do not marry her, do not move in with her, do not take any responsibility because as a single mother she will get housed better and quicker and be better off without you.. I was horrified, check with a couple of his classmates and he's about right. I just hope they are giving a better orientated talk these days.
I well remember a friend of mine wanting to move out of her parents home, going to the housing office to ask about a council flat and being directly advised by them to get herself pregnant. Words along the lines of "Get yourself pregnant, love, you'll go to the top of the list". From the council.

Luckily she was too intelligent a girl to go down that route, but of course, plenty aren't. What did we expect to happen when we made "single mother" a viable career option?
[quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: And yes. The "babyfather" needs to be told "you're working and you're paying for the next 18 years, Sunshine, else you'll be running your races as a gelding" Problem solved. Contraception works, in the absence of a certifiably insane welfare state.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Well remember my son coming home after a talk at secondary school. In his words it boiled down to this. If you get a girl pregnant do not marry her, do not move in with her, do not take any responsibility because as a single mother she will get housed better and quicker and be better off without you.. I was horrified, check with a couple of his classmates and he's about right. I just hope they are giving a better orientated talk these days.[/p][/quote]I well remember a friend of mine wanting to move out of her parents home, going to the housing office to ask about a council flat and being directly advised by them to get herself pregnant. Words along the lines of "Get yourself pregnant, love, you'll go to the top of the list". From the council. Luckily she was too intelligent a girl to go down that route, but of course, plenty aren't. What did we expect to happen when we made "single mother" a viable career option? Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 0

9:19am Tue 22 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

Dai Rear wrote:
And yes. The "babyfather" needs to be told "you're working and you're paying for the next 18 years, Sunshine, else you'll be running your races as a gelding"
Problem solved. Contraception works, in the absence of a certifiably insane welfare state.
I'm a big fan of oral contraception.

"Will you sleep with me?"

"No"
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: And yes. The "babyfather" needs to be told "you're working and you're paying for the next 18 years, Sunshine, else you'll be running your races as a gelding" Problem solved. Contraception works, in the absence of a certifiably insane welfare state.[/p][/quote]I'm a big fan of oral contraception. "Will you sleep with me?" "No" Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 15

9:40am Tue 22 Apr 14

crazylady80 says...

No girl is scared of teenage pregnancy anymore....there's no shame....There a free flat and free money and the government will happily wrap you in cotton wool and ensure your rights and your welfare are fully taken care of. There are a million charities that will supply furniture and white goods and the only thing you have to do in return is have sex and get pregnant. The other alternative is live with your parents..work hard at your exams...go to college and work hard again then try and find a job with your new found qualifications. ...Once your working the local housing will put you directly at the bottom of their list and you'll spend the next 30 years saving for a mortgage you'll never afford. .....so.youll end your days in a property where you pay 3/4 of your wage on rent and the rest on bills and food.....and again.....because you work...The government will kit only take a nice little chunk in taxes but will do bugger all to support you because your willing to try and support yourself......
Makes you wonder which route is the stupid one sometimes doesn't it.....
Seems teenage parenting pays far better than working hard!
And for as long as it's that way the numbers will continue to rise!
Simples.
No girl is scared of teenage pregnancy anymore....there's no shame....There a free flat and free money and the government will happily wrap you in cotton wool and ensure your rights and your welfare are fully taken care of. There are a million charities that will supply furniture and white goods and the only thing you have to do in return is have sex and get pregnant. The other alternative is live with your parents..work hard at your exams...go to college and work hard again then try and find a job with your new found qualifications. ...Once your working the local housing will put you directly at the bottom of their list and you'll spend the next 30 years saving for a mortgage you'll never afford. .....so.youll end your days in a property where you pay 3/4 of your wage on rent and the rest on bills and food.....and again.....because you work...The government will kit only take a nice little chunk in taxes but will do bugger all to support you because your willing to try and support yourself...... Makes you wonder which route is the stupid one sometimes doesn't it..... Seems teenage parenting pays far better than working hard! And for as long as it's that way the numbers will continue to rise! Simples. crazylady80
  • Score: 28

9:48am Tue 22 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

crazylady80 wrote:
No girl is scared of teenage pregnancy anymore....there's no shame....There a free flat and free money and the government will happily wrap you in cotton wool and ensure your rights and your welfare are fully taken care of. There are a million charities that will supply furniture and white goods and the only thing you have to do in return is have sex and get pregnant. The other alternative is live with your parents..work hard at your exams...go to college and work hard again then try and find a job with your new found qualifications. ...Once your working the local housing will put you directly at the bottom of their list and you'll spend the next 30 years saving for a mortgage you'll never afford. .....so.youll end your days in a property where you pay 3/4 of your wage on rent and the rest on bills and food.....and again.....because you work...The government will kit only take a nice little chunk in taxes but will do bugger all to support you because your willing to try and support yourself......
Makes you wonder which route is the stupid one sometimes doesn't it.....
Seems teenage parenting pays far better than working hard!
And for as long as it's that way the numbers will continue to rise!
Simples.
It's a classic example of the tragedy of the commons.
[quote][p][bold]crazylady80[/bold] wrote: No girl is scared of teenage pregnancy anymore....there's no shame....There a free flat and free money and the government will happily wrap you in cotton wool and ensure your rights and your welfare are fully taken care of. There are a million charities that will supply furniture and white goods and the only thing you have to do in return is have sex and get pregnant. The other alternative is live with your parents..work hard at your exams...go to college and work hard again then try and find a job with your new found qualifications. ...Once your working the local housing will put you directly at the bottom of their list and you'll spend the next 30 years saving for a mortgage you'll never afford. .....so.youll end your days in a property where you pay 3/4 of your wage on rent and the rest on bills and food.....and again.....because you work...The government will kit only take a nice little chunk in taxes but will do bugger all to support you because your willing to try and support yourself...... Makes you wonder which route is the stupid one sometimes doesn't it..... Seems teenage parenting pays far better than working hard! And for as long as it's that way the numbers will continue to rise! Simples.[/p][/quote]It's a classic example of the tragedy of the commons. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 6

10:22am Tue 22 Apr 14

southy says...

And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents.
This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems
And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents. This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems southy
  • Score: -23

10:26am Tue 22 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

southy wrote:
And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents.
This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems
Do you really have to turn every story into a soapbox for your crackpot idiotic theories?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents. This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems[/p][/quote]Do you really have to turn every story into a soapbox for your crackpot idiotic theories? Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 15

10:30am Tue 22 Apr 14

Taskforce 141 says...

It is shocking, the state of affairs this county has got itself into. I regularly hear mothers telling their daughters to get pregnant then the council will give them a flat/house! Sadly some of the girls are listening to the 'advice'.

For Christ sake change the law... For example if you have a roof over your head, why should the council have to give you a property of your own? let your family deal with your pregnancy - as it is family who are your support network - not the tax payer.

secondly: Stop paying benefits to people with more than two kids! Yep you heard me. I dont wish to hinder the right to family life so 1-2 children can receive support from the state in the form of child benefit - but if you choose to have 3 or more then you are actively making decision to say I can provide for more children (good for you - the state shouldn't have to keep paying).

thirdly: Change benefits from monetary payments to vouchers for clothes and food only! I had an argument with a mum of 6 (on benefits - not worked a day in her life) who stated she is not paying her water or gas as she wanted to get her children an expensive toy! she looked quite shocked when i explained to her that benefits were for food, clothing and a roof over your head - toys are a luxury, and if you cant afford them, then you should not buy them! there are plenty of second hand retailers and outlets out there!
It is shocking, the state of affairs this county has got itself into. I regularly hear mothers telling their daughters to get pregnant then the council will give them a flat/house! Sadly some of the girls are listening to the 'advice'. For Christ sake change the law... For example if you have a roof over your head, why should the council have to give you a property of your own? let your family deal with your pregnancy - as it is family who are your support network - not the tax payer. secondly: Stop paying benefits to people with more than two kids! Yep you heard me. I dont wish to hinder the right to family life so 1-2 children can receive support from the state in the form of child benefit - but if you choose to have 3 or more then you are actively making decision to say I can provide for more children (good for you - the state shouldn't have to keep paying). thirdly: Change benefits from monetary payments to vouchers for clothes and food only! I had an argument with a mum of 6 (on benefits - not worked a day in her life) who stated she is not paying her water or gas as she wanted to get her children an expensive toy! she looked quite shocked when i explained to her that benefits were for food, clothing and a roof over your head - toys are a luxury, and if you cant afford them, then you should not buy them! there are plenty of second hand retailers and outlets out there! Taskforce 141
  • Score: 30

10:37am Tue 22 Apr 14

bigfella777 says...

Any figures on how much alcoholics and drug addicts cost the city per chance? I think that would be quite a shocker.
I would also be interested to know how many go on to have another child or more within 5 years of the first. And this myth of being a single mum isn't always true, the father is around he just doesn't show up on the books.
Any figures on how much alcoholics and drug addicts cost the city per chance? I think that would be quite a shocker. I would also be interested to know how many go on to have another child or more within 5 years of the first. And this myth of being a single mum isn't always true, the father is around he just doesn't show up on the books. bigfella777
  • Score: 10

10:38am Tue 22 Apr 14

sarfhamton says...

Have any of you idiots visited council accommodation in Southampton? Not the place i would would want a flat there, free or not.
Have any of you idiots visited council accommodation in Southampton? Not the place i would would want a flat there, free or not. sarfhamton
  • Score: -1

10:51am Tue 22 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

southy wrote:
And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents.
This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems
No it's not, Bonio. Read it again. They are all saying that the State is a moron. Indeed some of them say it's a perfectly sensible thing to get up the duff and be carried the rest of your life. I cannot believe that even Tusk thinks rewarding young women for messing up their lives is an appropriate way for the State to behave. Does it?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents. This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems[/p][/quote]No it's not, Bonio. Read it again. They are all saying that the State is a moron. Indeed some of them say it's a perfectly sensible thing to get up the duff and be carried the rest of your life. I cannot believe that even Tusk thinks rewarding young women for messing up their lives is an appropriate way for the State to behave. Does it? Dai Rear
  • Score: 3

10:52am Tue 22 Apr 14

crazylady80 says...

sarfhamton wrote:
Have any of you idiots visited council accommodation in Southampton? Not the place i would would want a flat there, free or not.
Visited ? I've lived in a few......and on benefits too....wasn't a penthouse apartment by any means but I had no rent or council tax......and got free uniforms free school meals and even help with buying decorating gear...not to mention very repair etc needed done for free too......so yes...This idiot is fully aware......
[quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Have any of you idiots visited council accommodation in Southampton? Not the place i would would want a flat there, free or not.[/p][/quote]Visited ? I've lived in a few......and on benefits too....wasn't a penthouse apartment by any means but I had no rent or council tax......and got free uniforms free school meals and even help with buying decorating gear...not to mention very repair etc needed done for free too......so yes...This idiot is fully aware...... crazylady80
  • Score: 11

10:57am Tue 22 Apr 14

crazylady80 says...

I don't think anyone is saying getting pregnant is a sensible choice...
The government make it a choice though......
There were teen pregnancies 50 years ago too.....but not on the scale of today......
Because it was not only shameful but because there was no help for them. Financial or otherwise. A young teenage girl pregnant with no husband became the responsibility of her famil not that of the tax payers.
And if it were like that again there's a good chance you'd see numbers drop rapidly.
I don't think anyone is saying getting pregnant is a sensible choice... The government make it a choice though...... There were teen pregnancies 50 years ago too.....but not on the scale of today...... Because it was not only shameful but because there was no help for them. Financial or otherwise. A young teenage girl pregnant with no husband became the responsibility of her famil not that of the tax payers. And if it were like that again there's a good chance you'd see numbers drop rapidly. crazylady80
  • Score: 9

10:58am Tue 22 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

sarfhamton wrote:
Have any of you idiots visited council accommodation in Southampton? Not the place i would would want a flat there, free or not.
Have you lived with a mum who's only 16 years older than you and hasn't done a good job of raising you, idiot? If the State says "get up the duff and we'll give you the same deal as we gave your mum", then having not known other than public housing projects you're not expecting Buck House, are you?
[quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Have any of you idiots visited council accommodation in Southampton? Not the place i would would want a flat there, free or not.[/p][/quote]Have you lived with a mum who's only 16 years older than you and hasn't done a good job of raising you, idiot? If the State says "get up the duff and we'll give you the same deal as we gave your mum", then having not known other than public housing projects you're not expecting Buck House, are you? Dai Rear
  • Score: 3

11:01am Tue 22 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

sarfhamton wrote:
Have any of you idiots visited council accommodation in Southampton? Not the place i would would want a flat there, free or not.
This would explain why all our council accommodation is stood empty, then.
[quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Have any of you idiots visited council accommodation in Southampton? Not the place i would would want a flat there, free or not.[/p][/quote]This would explain why all our council accommodation is stood empty, then. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 6

11:31am Tue 22 Apr 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents.
This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems
Stop being so utterly stupid Peter.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents. This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems[/p][/quote]Stop being so utterly stupid Peter. Shoong
  • Score: 6

11:48am Tue 22 Apr 14

tootle says...

Look at it this way. You come out of school with slightly below average qualifications. nobody wants to give you a job. you go to college, you drop out of the vocational course because you can't cope with all the paperwork, you bum around until somebody gets you on a course to get you into work only they don't really bother because if they get people into work the advisors are out of work, then you do another course where you land apprenticeships that are actually worthless and are never going to lead anywhere, not even qualifications, then you abandon ship and sign on and do agency work hoping to get good refs and a proper paid job so you can leave home, your Mum expects a contribution towards your keep, you can't afford to run the car which will get you to the jobs, your boyfriend on benefits has enough money to party all weekend but you don't....... Then you get pregnant, he deserts you, cos babes take time, commitment and money - Flat, money, white goods, furniture and enough money to save for Christmas. As a career move it has to be a brilliant one. My daughter is very happy with her Council accomodation, very grateful for the money, but is taking the opportunity to work hard doing a college course and work experience and is determined to find a job, get off benefits and set an example to her daughter because she doesn't want her ending up in the mess she did. She is now motivated. That said I think once a person has received help for their unexpected blessing that should be it - have a second and you get nothing extra - no bigger flat, no extra money. As somebody else said limit all child benefits to the first 2 and keep the rest yourself. Sorry but if endless extra money and bigger accomodation is made available then people are going to take advantage.
Look at it this way. You come out of school with slightly below average qualifications. nobody wants to give you a job. you go to college, you drop out of the vocational course because you can't cope with all the paperwork, you bum around until somebody gets you on a course to get you into work only they don't really bother because if they get people into work the advisors are out of work, then you do another course where you land apprenticeships that are actually worthless and are never going to lead anywhere, not even qualifications, then you abandon ship and sign on and do agency work hoping to get good refs and a proper paid job so you can leave home, your Mum expects a contribution towards your keep, you can't afford to run the car which will get you to the jobs, your boyfriend on benefits has enough money to party all weekend but you don't....... Then you get pregnant, he deserts you, cos babes take time, commitment and money - Flat, money, white goods, furniture and enough money to save for Christmas. As a career move it has to be a brilliant one. My daughter is very happy with her Council accomodation, very grateful for the money, but is taking the opportunity to work hard doing a college course and work experience and is determined to find a job, get off benefits and set an example to her daughter because she doesn't want her ending up in the mess she did. She is now motivated. That said I think once a person has received help for their unexpected blessing that should be it - have a second and you get nothing extra - no bigger flat, no extra money. As somebody else said limit all child benefits to the first 2 and keep the rest yourself. Sorry but if endless extra money and bigger accomodation is made available then people are going to take advantage. tootle
  • Score: -7

12:00pm Tue 22 Apr 14

good-gosh says...

I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.
I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age. good-gosh
  • Score: 1

12:10pm Tue 22 Apr 14

townieboy says...

We all know the reasons to get pregnant. Its up to the government tp cut out the benefits of free everything an i bet you the single mothers will drop dramatically.
We all know the reasons to get pregnant. Its up to the government tp cut out the benefits of free everything an i bet you the single mothers will drop dramatically. townieboy
  • Score: 3

12:14pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

townieboy wrote:
We all know the reasons to get pregnant. Its up to the government tp cut out the benefits of free everything an i bet you the single mothers will drop dramatically.
Not for a very long time. Even if you keep the receipt, taking a baby back isn't really possible.
[quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: We all know the reasons to get pregnant. Its up to the government tp cut out the benefits of free everything an i bet you the single mothers will drop dramatically.[/p][/quote]Not for a very long time. Even if you keep the receipt, taking a baby back isn't really possible. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: -2

12:14pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Shoong says...

good-gosh wrote:
I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.
Then I suggest you open your eyes.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.[/p][/quote]Then I suggest you open your eyes. Shoong
  • Score: 5

12:15pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Forest Resident says...

If you are mature enough to get pregnant you should be responsibke enough to provide for the subsequent child, if you cannot then the child should be given to those who can provide for it, no longer should we continue to facilitate the feckless half wits choice to sponge off of others.
If you are mature enough to get pregnant you should be responsibke enough to provide for the subsequent child, if you cannot then the child should be given to those who can provide for it, no longer should we continue to facilitate the feckless half wits choice to sponge off of others. Forest Resident
  • Score: 10

12:16pm Tue 22 Apr 14

killared says...

good-gosh wrote:
I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.
You must be joking just walk in the city center on Saturday and ask those young girl with their pram how old they are and if they get support from their Families please get real ! I agree teenage or early 20's doesn't make any difference but the fact is tax payers have to pay the bills for these selfish idiots !
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.[/p][/quote]You must be joking just walk in the city center on Saturday and ask those young girl with their pram how old they are and if they get support from their Families please get real ! I agree teenage or early 20's doesn't make any difference but the fact is tax payers have to pay the bills for these selfish idiots ! killared
  • Score: 6

12:23pm Tue 22 Apr 14

bigfella777 says...

sarfhamton wrote:
Have any of you idiots visited council accommodation in Southampton? Not the place i would would want a flat there, free or not.
Only because they make it like that with all their feral brats running about
[quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Have any of you idiots visited council accommodation in Southampton? Not the place i would would want a flat there, free or not.[/p][/quote]Only because they make it like that with all their feral brats running about bigfella777
  • Score: 7

12:27pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

Forest Resident wrote:
If you are mature enough to get pregnant you should be responsibke enough to provide for the subsequent child, if you cannot then the child should be given to those who can provide for it, no longer should we continue to facilitate the feckless half wits choice to sponge off of others.
Blinkered view I'm afraid, FR. Being sexually mature enough to conceive is pure biology, whereas responsibility is something else altogether. There's no point claiming the two are linked when the evidence to the contrary is overwhelming.
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: If you are mature enough to get pregnant you should be responsibke enough to provide for the subsequent child, if you cannot then the child should be given to those who can provide for it, no longer should we continue to facilitate the feckless half wits choice to sponge off of others.[/p][/quote]Blinkered view I'm afraid, FR. Being sexually mature enough to conceive is pure biology, whereas responsibility is something else altogether. There's no point claiming the two are linked when the evidence to the contrary is overwhelming. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 7

12:36pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

tootle wrote:
Look at it this way. You come out of school with slightly below average qualifications. nobody wants to give you a job. you go to college, you drop out of the vocational course because you can't cope with all the paperwork, you bum around until somebody gets you on a course to get you into work only they don't really bother because if they get people into work the advisors are out of work, then you do another course where you land apprenticeships that are actually worthless and are never going to lead anywhere, not even qualifications, then you abandon ship and sign on and do agency work hoping to get good refs and a proper paid job so you can leave home, your Mum expects a contribution towards your keep, you can't afford to run the car which will get you to the jobs, your boyfriend on benefits has enough money to party all weekend but you don't....... Then you get pregnant, he deserts you, cos babes take time, commitment and money - Flat, money, white goods, furniture and enough money to save for Christmas. As a career move it has to be a brilliant one. My daughter is very happy with her Council accomodation, very grateful for the money, but is taking the opportunity to work hard doing a college course and work experience and is determined to find a job, get off benefits and set an example to her daughter because she doesn't want her ending up in the mess she did. She is now motivated. That said I think once a person has received help for their unexpected blessing that should be it - have a second and you get nothing extra - no bigger flat, no extra money. As somebody else said limit all child benefits to the first 2 and keep the rest yourself. Sorry but if endless extra money and bigger accomodation is made available then people are going to take advantage.
I'd love to agree in full, tootle, but the problem ultimately with this approach is that it's the poor kids who will suffer. I don't claim to have the answers, but point-blank refusing to support the kids isn't the solution.
[quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: Look at it this way. You come out of school with slightly below average qualifications. nobody wants to give you a job. you go to college, you drop out of the vocational course because you can't cope with all the paperwork, you bum around until somebody gets you on a course to get you into work only they don't really bother because if they get people into work the advisors are out of work, then you do another course where you land apprenticeships that are actually worthless and are never going to lead anywhere, not even qualifications, then you abandon ship and sign on and do agency work hoping to get good refs and a proper paid job so you can leave home, your Mum expects a contribution towards your keep, you can't afford to run the car which will get you to the jobs, your boyfriend on benefits has enough money to party all weekend but you don't....... Then you get pregnant, he deserts you, cos babes take time, commitment and money - Flat, money, white goods, furniture and enough money to save for Christmas. As a career move it has to be a brilliant one. My daughter is very happy with her Council accomodation, very grateful for the money, but is taking the opportunity to work hard doing a college course and work experience and is determined to find a job, get off benefits and set an example to her daughter because she doesn't want her ending up in the mess she did. She is now motivated. That said I think once a person has received help for their unexpected blessing that should be it - have a second and you get nothing extra - no bigger flat, no extra money. As somebody else said limit all child benefits to the first 2 and keep the rest yourself. Sorry but if endless extra money and bigger accomodation is made available then people are going to take advantage.[/p][/quote]I'd love to agree in full, tootle, but the problem ultimately with this approach is that it's the poor kids who will suffer. I don't claim to have the answers, but point-blank refusing to support the kids isn't the solution. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 2

12:37pm Tue 22 Apr 14

good-gosh says...

Shoong wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.
Then I suggest you open your eyes.
I see everything clearly, including the pride in a mother's face and the bigotry of some who pass her.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.[/p][/quote]Then I suggest you open your eyes.[/p][/quote]I see everything clearly, including the pride in a mother's face and the bigotry of some who pass her. good-gosh
  • Score: -1

12:40pm Tue 22 Apr 14

St Retford says...

What I always enjoy about these threads is the level of love and compassion that we show to these young women about to bring a new life into the world.

Well done everyone.
What I always enjoy about these threads is the level of love and compassion that we show to these young women about to bring a new life into the world. Well done everyone. St Retford
  • Score: 7

12:42pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

good-gosh wrote:
Shoong wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.
Then I suggest you open your eyes.
I see everything clearly, including the pride in a mother's face and the bigotry of some who pass her.
Lovely sentiment, but absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with this issue. This sort of emotional claptrap absolutely quashes any hope of constructive dialogue.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.[/p][/quote]Then I suggest you open your eyes.[/p][/quote]I see everything clearly, including the pride in a mother's face and the bigotry of some who pass her.[/p][/quote]Lovely sentiment, but absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with this issue. This sort of emotional claptrap absolutely quashes any hope of constructive dialogue. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 2

12:44pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

St Retford wrote:
What I always enjoy about these threads is the level of love and compassion that we show to these young women about to bring a new life into the world.

Well done everyone.
What I always enjoy about these threads is the notion that love and compassion are legal tender.

The reason the love and compassion is lacking is, a lot of these "women" are having a child simply so they can avoid work, and get a free flat. No, I'm not suggesting this is always, or even mostly the case. But it DOES happen. It's kinda hard to feel love and compassion toward someone about to give birth to a luncheon voucher that I'll be obliged to honour.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: What I always enjoy about these threads is the level of love and compassion that we show to these young women about to bring a new life into the world. Well done everyone.[/p][/quote]What I always enjoy about these threads is the notion that love and compassion are legal tender. The reason the love and compassion is lacking is, a lot of these "women" are having a child simply so they can avoid work, and get a free flat. No, I'm not suggesting this is always, or even mostly the case. But it DOES happen. It's kinda hard to feel love and compassion toward someone about to give birth to a luncheon voucher that I'll be obliged to honour. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 6

12:46pm Tue 22 Apr 14

southy says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents.
This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems
Do you really have to turn every story into a soapbox for your crackpot idiotic theories?
Well sooner or later you and others will come to realise its the system at fault. and it is like I said its designed to distract you from what is really going on.
Oh by the way I do not turn every story around like your suggesting i do not comment on must articles only the political ones and if you don't like it then don't read it simple as that.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents. This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems[/p][/quote]Do you really have to turn every story into a soapbox for your crackpot idiotic theories?[/p][/quote]Well sooner or later you and others will come to realise its the system at fault. and it is like I said its designed to distract you from what is really going on. Oh by the way I do not turn every story around like your suggesting i do not comment on must articles only the political ones and if you don't like it then don't read it simple as that. southy
  • Score: -4

12:47pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents.
This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems
Do you really have to turn every story into a soapbox for your crackpot idiotic theories?
Well sooner or later you and others will come to realise its the system at fault. and it is like I said its designed to distract you from what is really going on.
Oh by the way I do not turn every story around like your suggesting i do not comment on must articles only the political ones and if you don't like it then don't read it simple as that.
Until the Echo start putting "Warning: usual southy claptrap" on the front page next to headlines, I can't avoid reading it.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents. This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems[/p][/quote]Do you really have to turn every story into a soapbox for your crackpot idiotic theories?[/p][/quote]Well sooner or later you and others will come to realise its the system at fault. and it is like I said its designed to distract you from what is really going on. Oh by the way I do not turn every story around like your suggesting i do not comment on must articles only the political ones and if you don't like it then don't read it simple as that.[/p][/quote]Until the Echo start putting "Warning: usual southy claptrap" on the front page next to headlines, I can't avoid reading it. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 1

12:48pm Tue 22 Apr 14

tootle says...

townieboy wrote:
We all know the reasons to get pregnant. Its up to the government tp cut out the benefits of free everything an i bet you the single mothers will drop dramatically.
The numbers of new pregnancies would certainly drop if there was no automatic flat and money but.................
......... Many years ago I was chatting to the Job Centre advisor about the time wasters who came for interview and made it quite plain they didn't want a job. She said they could remove their dole but it wasn't worth bothering because if they had a partner and kids the partner would immediately visit her benefit office and thump the desk until her money was made up to include his missing payment and the paperwork...........
......... Not a lot has changed. There is never going to be an easy solution to the single mum dependancy syndrome, least of all a government prepared to implement one. However - we all make mistakes but i was taught to learn from them and not repeat them.
[quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: We all know the reasons to get pregnant. Its up to the government tp cut out the benefits of free everything an i bet you the single mothers will drop dramatically.[/p][/quote]The numbers of new pregnancies would certainly drop if there was no automatic flat and money but................. ......... Many years ago I was chatting to the Job Centre advisor about the time wasters who came for interview and made it quite plain they didn't want a job. She said they could remove their dole but it wasn't worth bothering because if they had a partner and kids the partner would immediately visit her benefit office and thump the desk until her money was made up to include his missing payment and the paperwork........... ......... Not a lot has changed. There is never going to be an easy solution to the single mum dependancy syndrome, least of all a government prepared to implement one. However - we all make mistakes but i was taught to learn from them and not repeat them. tootle
  • Score: 4

12:48pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

This just in: southy has absolved everyone from all personal responsibility for anything, on the grounds that "it's the system that's at fault"
This just in: southy has absolved everyone from all personal responsibility for anything, on the grounds that "it's the system that's at fault" Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 4

12:53pm Tue 22 Apr 14

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents.
This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems
Stop being so utterly stupid Peter.
Your the one who's acting stupid if you can see what as been going on and all the distractions thats been going on while they erode over services, suggest open your eyes and take those rose tinted glasses off and see what is going on..
You can fool some of the people all the time, but you can not fool all the people all the time saddly you come in as the first part your being fooled all the time and you just accept it.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents. This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems[/p][/quote]Stop being so utterly stupid Peter.[/p][/quote]Your the one who's acting stupid if you can see what as been going on and all the distractions thats been going on while they erode over services, suggest open your eyes and take those rose tinted glasses off and see what is going on.. You can fool some of the people all the time, but you can not fool all the people all the time saddly you come in as the first part your being fooled all the time and you just accept it. southy
  • Score: -5

12:56pm Tue 22 Apr 14

southy says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
This just in: southy has absolved everyone from all personal responsibility for anything, on the grounds that "it's the system that's at fault"
Its the system that teaches people what is expected from them and if that system not teaching them right then its the system at fault
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: This just in: southy has absolved everyone from all personal responsibility for anything, on the grounds that "it's the system that's at fault"[/p][/quote]Its the system that teaches people what is expected from them and if that system not teaching them right then its the system at fault southy
  • Score: -6

12:56pm Tue 22 Apr 14

St Retford says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
St Retford wrote:
What I always enjoy about these threads is the level of love and compassion that we show to these young women about to bring a new life into the world.

Well done everyone.
What I always enjoy about these threads is the notion that love and compassion are legal tender.

The reason the love and compassion is lacking is, a lot of these "women" are having a child simply so they can avoid work, and get a free flat. No, I'm not suggesting this is always, or even mostly the case. But it DOES happen. It's kinda hard to feel love and compassion toward someone about to give birth to a luncheon voucher that I'll be obliged to honour.
We should be careful of each other, we should be kind, while there is still time.

It isn't teenage mothers, immigrants, jobseekers or the disabled that are making us poor. These people are the victims of a situation, either personal or societal, and you shouldn't judge how they respond to it because in their shoes there's a fair chance you'd do the exact same thing. There's a very mean-spirited, lack of empathy that's taken over the country and it makes the place feel cold and petty. I don't like it.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: What I always enjoy about these threads is the level of love and compassion that we show to these young women about to bring a new life into the world. Well done everyone.[/p][/quote]What I always enjoy about these threads is the notion that love and compassion are legal tender. The reason the love and compassion is lacking is, a lot of these "women" are having a child simply so they can avoid work, and get a free flat. No, I'm not suggesting this is always, or even mostly the case. But it DOES happen. It's kinda hard to feel love and compassion toward someone about to give birth to a luncheon voucher that I'll be obliged to honour.[/p][/quote]We should be careful of each other, we should be kind, while there is still time. It isn't teenage mothers, immigrants, jobseekers or the disabled that are making us poor. These people are the victims of a situation, either personal or societal, and you shouldn't judge how they respond to it because in their shoes there's a fair chance you'd do the exact same thing. There's a very mean-spirited, lack of empathy that's taken over the country and it makes the place feel cold and petty. I don't like it. St Retford
  • Score: 11

12:58pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents.
This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems
Stop being so utterly stupid Peter.
Your the one who's acting stupid if you can see what as been going on and all the distractions thats been going on while they erode over services, suggest open your eyes and take those rose tinted glasses off and see what is going on..
You can fool some of the people all the time, but you can not fool all the people all the time saddly you come in as the first part your being fooled all the time and you just accept it.
You are being stupid for the sake of it.

Fortunately we all know what your game is. The following you have quoted only sums yourself up perfectly.

' You can fool some of the people all the time, but you can not fool all the people all the time'

You've failed on both counts.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents. This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems[/p][/quote]Stop being so utterly stupid Peter.[/p][/quote]Your the one who's acting stupid if you can see what as been going on and all the distractions thats been going on while they erode over services, suggest open your eyes and take those rose tinted glasses off and see what is going on.. You can fool some of the people all the time, but you can not fool all the people all the time saddly you come in as the first part your being fooled all the time and you just accept it.[/p][/quote]You are being stupid for the sake of it. Fortunately we all know what your game is. The following you have quoted only sums yourself up perfectly. ' You can fool some of the people all the time, but you can not fool all the people all the time' You've failed on both counts. Shoong
  • Score: 4

12:58pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents.
This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems
Stop being so utterly stupid Peter.
Your the one who's acting stupid if you can see what as been going on and all the distractions thats been going on while they erode over services, suggest open your eyes and take those rose tinted glasses off and see what is going on..
You can fool some of the people all the time, but you can not fool all the people all the time saddly you come in as the first part your being fooled all the time and you just accept it.
Look, idiot, just because we don't agree with every last word you manage to spew out of your barely-functioning head, doesn't mean we don't understand how the world works. It may have escaped your notice, but it is perfectly possible for two things to happen at once. Yes, "the system" sucks, and corporate tax avoidance is a problem. If you think for one moment this means we have to ignore any and all other issues, then I for one am eternally grateful that you and your moronic party stand about as much chance of gaining any power as I do of winning the Best Supporting Actress Oscar.

Christ, spare us the never-ending line of total simpletons who think they alone are the only people who see "the truth" and believe that anyone who talks about ANYTHING ELSE WHATSOEVER is looking at the world through rose-tinted glasses. The only thing stopping this cretin calling us all "sheeple" is that he can't spell the bloody word. Not that that stops him using any other words.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents. This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems[/p][/quote]Stop being so utterly stupid Peter.[/p][/quote]Your the one who's acting stupid if you can see what as been going on and all the distractions thats been going on while they erode over services, suggest open your eyes and take those rose tinted glasses off and see what is going on.. You can fool some of the people all the time, but you can not fool all the people all the time saddly you come in as the first part your being fooled all the time and you just accept it.[/p][/quote]Look, idiot, just because we don't agree with every last word you manage to spew out of your barely-functioning head, doesn't mean we don't understand how the world works. It may have escaped your notice, but it is perfectly possible for two things to happen at once. Yes, "the system" sucks, and corporate tax avoidance is a problem. If you think for one moment this means we have to ignore any and all other issues, then I for one am eternally grateful that you and your moronic party stand about as much chance of gaining any power as I do of winning the Best Supporting Actress Oscar. Christ, spare us the never-ending line of total simpletons who think they alone are the only people who see "the truth" and believe that anyone who talks about ANYTHING ELSE WHATSOEVER is looking at the world through rose-tinted glasses. The only thing stopping this cretin calling us all "sheeple" is that he can't spell the blo[bold][/bold]ody word. Not that that stops him using any other words. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 2

12:58pm Tue 22 Apr 14

southy says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents.
This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems
Do you really have to turn every story into a soapbox for your crackpot idiotic theories?
Well sooner or later you and others will come to realise its the system at fault. and it is like I said its designed to distract you from what is really going on.
Oh by the way I do not turn every story around like your suggesting i do not comment on must articles only the political ones and if you don't like it then don't read it simple as that.
Until the Echo start putting "Warning: usual southy claptrap" on the front page next to headlines, I can't avoid reading it.
You can look and read who the poster is then chose to avoid it simple as that
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents. This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems[/p][/quote]Do you really have to turn every story into a soapbox for your crackpot idiotic theories?[/p][/quote]Well sooner or later you and others will come to realise its the system at fault. and it is like I said its designed to distract you from what is really going on. Oh by the way I do not turn every story around like your suggesting i do not comment on must articles only the political ones and if you don't like it then don't read it simple as that.[/p][/quote]Until the Echo start putting "Warning: usual southy claptrap" on the front page next to headlines, I can't avoid reading it.[/p][/quote]You can look and read who the poster is then chose to avoid it simple as that southy
  • Score: -6

12:59pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
This just in: southy has absolved everyone from all personal responsibility for anything, on the grounds that "it's the system that's at fault"
Its the system that teaches people what is expected from them and if that system not teaching them right then its the system at fault
In other news, the responsibility can be shared. People aren't all automatons doing exactly what the system tells them to, and you're being downright offensive if you claim otherwise. Sure, "the system" may push people down this path, but they eventually know full well that they're getting a free ride, and decide to collude with it anyway. At that point, they share the burden of responsibility, and crying foul and pointing at "the system" simply won't do.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: This just in: southy has absolved everyone from all personal responsibility for anything, on the grounds that "it's the system that's at fault"[/p][/quote]Its the system that teaches people what is expected from them and if that system not teaching them right then its the system at fault[/p][/quote]In other news, the responsibility can be shared. People aren't all automatons doing exactly what the system tells them to, and you're being downright offensive if you claim otherwise. Sure, "the system" may push people down this path, but they eventually know full well that they're getting a free ride, and decide to collude with it anyway. At that point, they share the burden of responsibility, and crying foul and pointing at "the system" simply won't do. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 3

1:00pm Tue 22 Apr 14

good-gosh says...

killared wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.
You must be joking just walk in the city center on Saturday and ask those young girl with their pram how old they are and if they get support from their Families please get real ! I agree teenage or early 20's doesn't make any difference but the fact is tax payers have to pay the bills for these selfish idiots !
I wouldn't dream of embarrassing a mother with such a question. But I don’t think it its selfish to dedicate the next 20 years to raising a child and I have no problem with being taxed to help the few who find it difficult.
[quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.[/p][/quote]You must be joking just walk in the city center on Saturday and ask those young girl with their pram how old they are and if they get support from their Families please get real ! I agree teenage or early 20's doesn't make any difference but the fact is tax payers have to pay the bills for these selfish idiots ![/p][/quote]I wouldn't dream of embarrassing a mother with such a question. But I don’t think it its selfish to dedicate the next 20 years to raising a child and I have no problem with being taxed to help the few who find it difficult. good-gosh
  • Score: 3

1:01pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

St Retford wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
St Retford wrote:
What I always enjoy about these threads is the level of love and compassion that we show to these young women about to bring a new life into the world.

Well done everyone.
What I always enjoy about these threads is the notion that love and compassion are legal tender.

The reason the love and compassion is lacking is, a lot of these "women" are having a child simply so they can avoid work, and get a free flat. No, I'm not suggesting this is always, or even mostly the case. But it DOES happen. It's kinda hard to feel love and compassion toward someone about to give birth to a luncheon voucher that I'll be obliged to honour.
We should be careful of each other, we should be kind, while there is still time.

It isn't teenage mothers, immigrants, jobseekers or the disabled that are making us poor. These people are the victims of a situation, either personal or societal, and you shouldn't judge how they respond to it because in their shoes there's a fair chance you'd do the exact same thing. There's a very mean-spirited, lack of empathy that's taken over the country and it makes the place feel cold and petty. I don't like it.
The mean-spiritedness is on both sides.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: What I always enjoy about these threads is the level of love and compassion that we show to these young women about to bring a new life into the world. Well done everyone.[/p][/quote]What I always enjoy about these threads is the notion that love and compassion are legal tender. The reason the love and compassion is lacking is, a lot of these "women" are having a child simply so they can avoid work, and get a free flat. No, I'm not suggesting this is always, or even mostly the case. But it DOES happen. It's kinda hard to feel love and compassion toward someone about to give birth to a luncheon voucher that I'll be obliged to honour.[/p][/quote]We should be careful of each other, we should be kind, while there is still time. It isn't teenage mothers, immigrants, jobseekers or the disabled that are making us poor. These people are the victims of a situation, either personal or societal, and you shouldn't judge how they respond to it because in their shoes there's a fair chance you'd do the exact same thing. There's a very mean-spirited, lack of empathy that's taken over the country and it makes the place feel cold and petty. I don't like it.[/p][/quote]The mean-spiritedness is on both sides. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: -1

1:04pm Tue 22 Apr 14

tootle says...

St Retford wrote:
What I always enjoy about these threads is the level of love and compassion that we show to these young women about to bring a new life into the world.

Well done everyone.
Yes, we really don't want to go back to the old 60s attitudes. However love and compassion only stretch so far in normal people we are not all Saints. I have a "fallen" daughter trying to better herself whilst on benefits. I know a young man who gave up his apprenticeship(and it was a good one) to take any proper paid job he could get to support hispregnant girlfriend. I know a young man who can't make ends meet and feed his child 4th by 4 mothers on benefits but can afford to be drunk. I know a young lady on pregnancy no2, both deliberate pregnancies. I know a Mother who boasts about always cooking her children fishsingers or chicken nuggets and fries for tea because that is all they like. I could go on and on and on. None of it is the children's fault. Yes, love and compassion is needed by all of them but so is education and opportunity..
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: What I always enjoy about these threads is the level of love and compassion that we show to these young women about to bring a new life into the world. Well done everyone.[/p][/quote]Yes, we really don't want to go back to the old 60s attitudes. However love and compassion only stretch so far in normal people we are not all Saints. I have a "fallen" daughter trying to better herself whilst on benefits. I know a young man who gave up his apprenticeship(and it was a good one) to take any proper paid job he could get to support hispregnant girlfriend. I know a young man who can't make ends meet and feed his child 4th by 4 mothers on benefits but can afford to be drunk. I know a young lady on pregnancy no2, both deliberate pregnancies. I know a Mother who boasts about always cooking her children fishsingers or chicken nuggets and fries for tea because that is all they like. I could go on and on and on. None of it is the children's fault. Yes, love and compassion is needed by all of them but so is education and opportunity.. tootle
  • Score: 3

1:12pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

tootle wrote:
St Retford wrote:
What I always enjoy about these threads is the level of love and compassion that we show to these young women about to bring a new life into the world.

Well done everyone.
Yes, we really don't want to go back to the old 60s attitudes. However love and compassion only stretch so far in normal people we are not all Saints. I have a "fallen" daughter trying to better herself whilst on benefits. I know a young man who gave up his apprenticeship(and it was a good one) to take any proper paid job he could get to support hispregnant girlfriend. I know a young man who can't make ends meet and feed his child 4th by 4 mothers on benefits but can afford to be drunk. I know a young lady on pregnancy no2, both deliberate pregnancies. I know a Mother who boasts about always cooking her children fishsingers or chicken nuggets and fries for tea because that is all they like. I could go on and on and on. None of it is the children's fault. Yes, love and compassion is needed by all of them but so is education and opportunity..
I like the story of your daughter. Sincerely. One of the true tragedies in our country is that our benefits culture has bred people with no aspirations. Of course, it's easy to see why someone would think "Why would I go to work in a factory on minimum wage, when I can stay at home and have much the same lifestyle?". Don't subscribe to it myself, but I can see what's attractive about it. The tragedy is that these people don't seem to want anything more out of life than that. There's no room for advancement in that situation, you don't get promoted to senior claimant, or anything. You don't learn anything new. You don't have the prospect to move up, to better yourself. To think that there are so many people here now who are content to have the bare minimum handed to them on a plate, rather than attempt to get more through their own efforts, that's a real national shame. Good on your daughter for making efforts to break out of this.
[quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: What I always enjoy about these threads is the level of love and compassion that we show to these young women about to bring a new life into the world. Well done everyone.[/p][/quote]Yes, we really don't want to go back to the old 60s attitudes. However love and compassion only stretch so far in normal people we are not all Saints. I have a "fallen" daughter trying to better herself whilst on benefits. I know a young man who gave up his apprenticeship(and it was a good one) to take any proper paid job he could get to support hispregnant girlfriend. I know a young man who can't make ends meet and feed his child 4th by 4 mothers on benefits but can afford to be drunk. I know a young lady on pregnancy no2, both deliberate pregnancies. I know a Mother who boasts about always cooking her children fishsingers or chicken nuggets and fries for tea because that is all they like. I could go on and on and on. None of it is the children's fault. Yes, love and compassion is needed by all of them but so is education and opportunity..[/p][/quote]I like the story of your daughter. Sincerely. One of the true tragedies in our country is that our benefits culture has bred people with no aspirations. Of course, it's easy to see why someone would think "Why would I go to work in a factory on minimum wage, when I can stay at home and have much the same lifestyle?". Don't subscribe to it myself, but I can see what's attractive about it. The tragedy is that these people don't seem to want anything more out of life than that. There's no room for advancement in that situation, you don't get promoted to senior claimant, or anything. You don't learn anything new. You don't have the prospect to move up, to better yourself. To think that there are so many people here now who are content to have the bare minimum handed to them on a plate, rather than attempt to get more through their own efforts, that's a real national shame. Good on your daughter for making efforts to break out of this. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 2

1:18pm Tue 22 Apr 14

draward says...

good-gosh wrote:
I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.
REALLY????? Did you really post that????
A mother in her 20's or 30's will be in a stable relationship, have a home and money to support a child! A teenager is a child still, will not be in a stable relationship, not have grown up, wont have a career to go back to, wont ever be able to provide. Think before posting perhaps.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.[/p][/quote]REALLY????? Did you really post that???? A mother in her 20's or 30's will be in a stable relationship, have a home and money to support a child! A teenager is a child still, will not be in a stable relationship, not have grown up, wont have a career to go back to, wont ever be able to provide. Think before posting perhaps. draward
  • Score: 0

1:23pm Tue 22 Apr 14

sarfhamton says...

Dai Rear wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
Have any of you idiots visited council accommodation in Southampton? Not the place i would would want a flat there, free or not.
Have you lived with a mum who's only 16 years older than you and hasn't done a good job of raising you, idiot? If the State says "get up the duff and we'll give you the same deal as we gave your mum", then having not known other than public housing projects you're not expecting Buck House, are you?
No, i am saying single parents that need housing do not get luxury. If people aspire to get a damp council flat then we as a country have failed.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Have any of you idiots visited council accommodation in Southampton? Not the place i would would want a flat there, free or not.[/p][/quote]Have you lived with a mum who's only 16 years older than you and hasn't done a good job of raising you, idiot? If the State says "get up the duff and we'll give you the same deal as we gave your mum", then having not known other than public housing projects you're not expecting Buck House, are you?[/p][/quote]No, i am saying single parents that need housing do not get luxury. If people aspire to get a damp council flat then we as a country have failed. sarfhamton
  • Score: 0

1:24pm Tue 22 Apr 14

sarfhamton says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
Have any of you idiots visited council accommodation in Southampton? Not the place i would would want a flat there, free or not.
This would explain why all our council accommodation is stood empty, then.
No it is full as people as desperate. If people get pregnant to get a council flat then it shows how low expectation is amongst young people.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Have any of you idiots visited council accommodation in Southampton? Not the place i would would want a flat there, free or not.[/p][/quote]This would explain why all our council accommodation is stood empty, then.[/p][/quote]No it is full as people as desperate. If people get pregnant to get a council flat then it shows how low expectation is amongst young people. sarfhamton
  • Score: 0

1:26pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

sarfhamton wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
Have any of you idiots visited council accommodation in Southampton? Not the place i would would want a flat there, free or not.
This would explain why all our council accommodation is stood empty, then.
No it is full as people as desperate. If people get pregnant to get a council flat then it shows how low expectation is amongst young people.
And this supports your initial point because....?
[quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Have any of you idiots visited council accommodation in Southampton? Not the place i would would want a flat there, free or not.[/p][/quote]This would explain why all our council accommodation is stood empty, then.[/p][/quote]No it is full as people as desperate. If people get pregnant to get a council flat then it shows how low expectation is amongst young people.[/p][/quote]And this supports your initial point because....? Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 1

1:26pm Tue 22 Apr 14

sarfhamton says...

bigfella777 wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
Have any of you idiots visited council accommodation in Southampton? Not the place i would would want a flat there, free or not.
Only because they make it like that with all their feral brats running about
I meant the property condition. Why would a child living in a council home be feral?
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Have any of you idiots visited council accommodation in Southampton? Not the place i would would want a flat there, free or not.[/p][/quote]Only because they make it like that with all their feral brats running about[/p][/quote]I meant the property condition. Why would a child living in a council home be feral? sarfhamton
  • Score: -1

1:27pm Tue 22 Apr 14

southy says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents.
This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems
Do you really have to turn every story into a soapbox for your crackpot idiotic theories?
Well sooner or later you and others will come to realise its the system at fault. and it is like I said its designed to distract you from what is really going on.
Oh by the way I do not turn every story around like your suggesting i do not comment on must articles only the political ones and if you don't like it then don't read it simple as that.
Until the Echo start putting "Warning: usual southy claptrap" on the front page next to headlines, I can't avoid reading it.
You can look and read who the poster is then chose to avoid it simple as that
I'm talking about the stories themselves, you fool. I come here to discuss them, and it's increasingly difficult to do so when you insist on turning every discussion into first of all your own personal soap box, and secondly into an argument about how everyone but you is some unthinking robot who hasn't got a clue what's going on in general. Go away, you utter moron, and leave the rest of us to discuss these things without a snide political agenda.
If thats what you come here for to discuss then discuss it yourr on a bigger soap box than i am you don't want discussions you want one sided discussion and to call people names which is not discussing now is it.

It was not so long ago that getting married with parent permission at the age of 16 and 17 so what is really strange about a teenager pregnant nothing it happens all the time and all ways have done, its not going to stop.
And all this about them getting easy and quick housing is rubbish it will still take at lest 5 years to get a home, you are awarded points to what ever the conditions ditate.
And all this is a distraction for some thing that going to be done that they do not want you to notice is happening.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents. This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems[/p][/quote]Do you really have to turn every story into a soapbox for your crackpot idiotic theories?[/p][/quote]Well sooner or later you and others will come to realise its the system at fault. and it is like I said its designed to distract you from what is really going on. Oh by the way I do not turn every story around like your suggesting i do not comment on must articles only the political ones and if you don't like it then don't read it simple as that.[/p][/quote]Until the Echo start putting "Warning: usual southy claptrap" on the front page next to headlines, I can't avoid reading it.[/p][/quote]You can look and read who the poster is then chose to avoid it simple as that[/p][/quote]I'm talking about the stories themselves, you fool. I come here to discuss them, and it's increasingly difficult to do so when you insist on turning every discussion into first of all your own personal soap box, and secondly into an argument about how everyone but you is some unthinking robot who hasn't got a clue what's going on in general. Go away, you utter moron, and leave the rest of us to discuss these things without a snide political agenda.[/p][/quote]If thats what you come here for to discuss then discuss it yourr on a bigger soap box than i am you don't want discussions you want one sided discussion and to call people names which is not discussing now is it. It was not so long ago that getting married with parent permission at the age of 16 and 17 so what is really strange about a teenager pregnant nothing it happens all the time and all ways have done, its not going to stop. And all this about them getting easy and quick housing is rubbish it will still take at lest 5 years to get a home, you are awarded points to what ever the conditions ditate. And all this is a distraction for some thing that going to be done that they do not want you to notice is happening. southy
  • Score: -7

1:27pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

draward wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.
REALLY????? Did you really post that????
A mother in her 20's or 30's will be in a stable relationship, have a home and money to support a child! A teenager is a child still, will not be in a stable relationship, not have grown up, wont have a career to go back to, wont ever be able to provide. Think before posting perhaps.
Err, what? So teenage mothers get issued with their stable relationship and home and money to support a child, when they turn 20? There are no irresponsible or unemployed 20-something women?
[quote][p][bold]draward[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.[/p][/quote]REALLY????? Did you really post that???? A mother in her 20's or 30's will be in a stable relationship, have a home and money to support a child! A teenager is a child still, will not be in a stable relationship, not have grown up, wont have a career to go back to, wont ever be able to provide. Think before posting perhaps.[/p][/quote]Err, what? So teenage mothers get issued with their stable relationship and home and money to support a child, when they turn 20? There are no irresponsible or unemployed 20-something women? Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 3

1:27pm Tue 22 Apr 14

sarfhamton says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
Have any of you idiots visited council accommodation in Southampton? Not the place i would would want a flat there, free or not.
This would explain why all our council accommodation is stood empty, then.
No it is full as people as desperate. If people get pregnant to get a council flat then it shows how low expectation is amongst young people.
And this supports your initial point because....?
because we have a situation where people think that single parents get nice places to live for free and that is not true.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Have any of you idiots visited council accommodation in Southampton? Not the place i would would want a flat there, free or not.[/p][/quote]This would explain why all our council accommodation is stood empty, then.[/p][/quote]No it is full as people as desperate. If people get pregnant to get a council flat then it shows how low expectation is amongst young people.[/p][/quote]And this supports your initial point because....?[/p][/quote]because we have a situation where people think that single parents get nice places to live for free and that is not true. sarfhamton
  • Score: 1

1:28pm Tue 22 Apr 14

southy says...

oh Charlie Bucket I only comment on political items and this is political weather if you like it or not
oh Charlie Bucket I only comment on political items and this is political weather if you like it or not southy
  • Score: -7

1:42pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents.
This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems
Do you really have to turn every story into a soapbox for your crackpot idiotic theories?
Well sooner or later you and others will come to realise its the system at fault. and it is like I said its designed to distract you from what is really going on.
Oh by the way I do not turn every story around like your suggesting i do not comment on must articles only the political ones and if you don't like it then don't read it simple as that.
Until the Echo start putting "Warning: usual southy claptrap" on the front page next to headlines, I can't avoid reading it.
You can look and read who the poster is then chose to avoid it simple as that
I'm talking about the stories themselves, you fool. I come here to discuss them, and it's increasingly difficult to do so when you insist on turning every discussion into first of all your own personal soap box, and secondly into an argument about how everyone but you is some unthinking robot who hasn't got a clue what's going on in general. Go away, you utter moron, and leave the rest of us to discuss these things without a snide political agenda.
If thats what you come here for to discuss then discuss it yourr on a bigger soap box than i am you don't want discussions you want one sided discussion and to call people names which is not discussing now is it.

It was not so long ago that getting married with parent permission at the age of 16 and 17 so what is really strange about a teenager pregnant nothing it happens all the time and all ways have done, its not going to stop.
And all this about them getting easy and quick housing is rubbish it will still take at lest 5 years to get a home, you are awarded points to what ever the conditions ditate.
And all this is a distraction for some thing that going to be done that they do not want you to notice is happening.
I'm on a soap box because I want to come here and discuss the actual story, rather than my larger political agenda? I've heard it all now. Go away, and come back when you've read the Rahit Maryada.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents. This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems[/p][/quote]Do you really have to turn every story into a soapbox for your crackpot idiotic theories?[/p][/quote]Well sooner or later you and others will come to realise its the system at fault. and it is like I said its designed to distract you from what is really going on. Oh by the way I do not turn every story around like your suggesting i do not comment on must articles only the political ones and if you don't like it then don't read it simple as that.[/p][/quote]Until the Echo start putting "Warning: usual southy claptrap" on the front page next to headlines, I can't avoid reading it.[/p][/quote]You can look and read who the poster is then chose to avoid it simple as that[/p][/quote]I'm talking about the stories themselves, you fool. I come here to discuss them, and it's increasingly difficult to do so when you insist on turning every discussion into first of all your own personal soap box, and secondly into an argument about how everyone but you is some unthinking robot who hasn't got a clue what's going on in general. Go away, you utter moron, and leave the rest of us to discuss these things without a snide political agenda.[/p][/quote]If thats what you come here for to discuss then discuss it yourr on a bigger soap box than i am you don't want discussions you want one sided discussion and to call people names which is not discussing now is it. It was not so long ago that getting married with parent permission at the age of 16 and 17 so what is really strange about a teenager pregnant nothing it happens all the time and all ways have done, its not going to stop. And all this about them getting easy and quick housing is rubbish it will still take at lest 5 years to get a home, you are awarded points to what ever the conditions ditate. And all this is a distraction for some thing that going to be done that they do not want you to notice is happening.[/p][/quote]I'm on a soap box because I want to come here and discuss the actual story, rather than my larger political agenda? I've heard it all now. Go away, and come back when you've read the Rahit Maryada. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 6

1:50pm Tue 22 Apr 14

bullsbags says...

good-gosh wrote:
killared wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.
You must be joking just walk in the city center on Saturday and ask those young girl with their pram how old they are and if they get support from their Families please get real ! I agree teenage or early 20's doesn't make any difference but the fact is tax payers have to pay the bills for these selfish idiots !
I wouldn't dream of embarrassing a mother with such a question. But I don’t think it its selfish to dedicate the next 20 years to raising a child and I have no problem with being taxed to help the few who find it difficult.
THE FEW
Open your eyes,they are everywhere and do you know what,I DO OBJECT TO MY TAXES PAYING FOR THEM
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.[/p][/quote]You must be joking just walk in the city center on Saturday and ask those young girl with their pram how old they are and if they get support from their Families please get real ! I agree teenage or early 20's doesn't make any difference but the fact is tax payers have to pay the bills for these selfish idiots ![/p][/quote]I wouldn't dream of embarrassing a mother with such a question. But I don’t think it its selfish to dedicate the next 20 years to raising a child and I have no problem with being taxed to help the few who find it difficult.[/p][/quote]THE FEW Open your eyes,they are everywhere and do you know what,I DO OBJECT TO MY TAXES PAYING FOR THEM bullsbags
  • Score: 0

1:58pm Tue 22 Apr 14

killared says...

good-gosh wrote:
killared wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.
You must be joking just walk in the city center on Saturday and ask those young girl with their pram how old they are and if they get support from their Families please get real ! I agree teenage or early 20's doesn't make any difference but the fact is tax payers have to pay the bills for these selfish idiots !
I wouldn't dream of embarrassing a mother with such a question. But I don’t think it its selfish to dedicate the next 20 years to raising a child and I have no problem with being taxed to help the few who find it difficult.
No offence you understand the situation because somebody that you know are earning my taxes ! I do not mind providing for somebody who has a baby don't get me wrong as long as they work before the pregnancy and as long as they can go back to work after the birth of the baby that I do not mind but when you see in the city center young girls with pram with a free flat earning my taxes when that money could help care home or school or improve the community then yes It makes my blood boiled
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.[/p][/quote]You must be joking just walk in the city center on Saturday and ask those young girl with their pram how old they are and if they get support from their Families please get real ! I agree teenage or early 20's doesn't make any difference but the fact is tax payers have to pay the bills for these selfish idiots ![/p][/quote]I wouldn't dream of embarrassing a mother with such a question. But I don’t think it its selfish to dedicate the next 20 years to raising a child and I have no problem with being taxed to help the few who find it difficult.[/p][/quote]No offence you understand the situation because somebody that you know are earning my taxes ! I do not mind providing for somebody who has a baby don't get me wrong as long as they work before the pregnancy and as long as they can go back to work after the birth of the baby that I do not mind but when you see in the city center young girls with pram with a free flat earning my taxes when that money could help care home or school or improve the community then yes It makes my blood boiled killared
  • Score: -2

2:03pm Tue 22 Apr 14

kyrrie says...

good-gosh wrote:
I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.
What planet do you live on? Obviously not the same one as the rest of us! When you have a child in your 20/30s you are usually in a stable relationship with a roof already over your heads and a job to support yourselves. How can this possibly compare to a 13-18 year old having a child, where is their job, house of their own etc. Oh yeah that's right they do t have one!
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.[/p][/quote]What planet do you live on? Obviously not the same one as the rest of us! When you have a child in your 20/30s you are usually in a stable relationship with a roof already over your heads and a job to support yourselves. How can this possibly compare to a 13-18 year old having a child, where is their job, house of their own etc. Oh yeah that's right they do t have one! kyrrie
  • Score: 1

2:09pm Tue 22 Apr 14

THEKILLER says...

As has been said it's the system that's at fault, the only way to get social housing is for a girl/ woman to get pregnant be a single mum (you can always move a boyfriend in later!)
So for many it is the only way to exist free money for life. Have more kids then start demanding a bigger house.
You have very little chance of getting on the housing ladder if you get a job have a stable relationship or get married first (you will be told go into the private housing sector at much greater expense than social housing)
Unfortunately the system has been abused for so long that is impossible to fix
As has been said it's the system that's at fault, the only way to get social housing is for a girl/ woman to get pregnant be a single mum (you can always move a boyfriend in later!) So for many it is the only way to exist free money for life. Have more kids then start demanding a bigger house. You have very little chance of getting on the housing ladder if you get a job have a stable relationship or get married first (you will be told go into the private housing sector at much greater expense than social housing) Unfortunately the system has been abused for so long that is impossible to fix THEKILLER
  • Score: 2

2:10pm Tue 22 Apr 14

whatwentwrongworld says...

Q Do you want to go through education, get a job, work hard, pay taxes and reap no rewards except for your own pride OR do you want to do what all your mates are doing and get pregnant, get a free house, get free gym membership, get free milk and fruit and veg and vitamins, get free driving lessons, get bigger and better free housing as time goes on and a grant for £200 to buy a 'buggy' with and loads of free time to yourself? Or I forgot free nursery places too. Its a no brainer for these girls, despite what their parents try to do.... It will never change until we stop giving out free money. Vouchers vouchers vouchers, its the only way. Vouchers for food, rent, buggy's, milk. Just not cash because its far too 'easy' for them to go the wrong way.
Q Do you want to go through education, get a job, work hard, pay taxes and reap no rewards except for your own pride OR do you want to do what all your mates are doing and get pregnant, get a free house, get free gym membership, get free milk and fruit and veg and vitamins, get free driving lessons, get bigger and better free housing as time goes on and a grant for £200 to buy a 'buggy' with and loads of free time to yourself? Or I forgot free nursery places too. Its a no brainer for these girls, despite what their parents try to do.... It will never change until we stop giving out free money. Vouchers vouchers vouchers, its the only way. Vouchers for food, rent, buggy's, milk. Just not cash because its far too 'easy' for them to go the wrong way. whatwentwrongworld
  • Score: 4

2:19pm Tue 22 Apr 14

kyrrie says...

southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents.
This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems
Do you really have to turn every story into a soapbox for your crackpot idiotic theories?
Well sooner or later you and others will come to realise its the system at fault. and it is like I said its designed to distract you from what is really going on.
Oh by the way I do not turn every story around like your suggesting i do not comment on must articles only the political ones and if you don't like it then don't read it simple as that.
Until the Echo start putting "Warning: usual southy claptrap" on the front page next to headlines, I can't avoid reading it.
You can look and read who the poster is then chose to avoid it simple as that
I'm talking about the stories themselves, you fool. I come here to discuss them, and it's increasingly difficult to do so when you insist on turning every discussion into first of all your own personal soap box, and secondly into an argument about how everyone but you is some unthinking robot who hasn't got a clue what's going on in general. Go away, you utter moron, and leave the rest of us to discuss these things without a snide political agenda.
If thats what you come here for to discuss then discuss it yourr on a bigger soap box than i am you don't want discussions you want one sided discussion and to call people names which is not discussing now is it.

It was not so long ago that getting married with parent permission at the age of 16 and 17 so what is really strange about a teenager pregnant nothing it happens all the time and all ways have done, its not going to stop.
And all this about them getting easy and quick housing is rubbish it will still take at lest 5 years to get a home, you are awarded points to what ever the conditions ditate.
And all this is a distraction for some thing that going to be done that they do not want you to notice is happening.
I certainly does not take 5 years to get a home! I know of at least 3 people who were all housed into decent 2 bed houses and given money to redecorate them when their child was less than 4 months old by Test Valley council.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents. This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems[/p][/quote]Do you really have to turn every story into a soapbox for your crackpot idiotic theories?[/p][/quote]Well sooner or later you and others will come to realise its the system at fault. and it is like I said its designed to distract you from what is really going on. Oh by the way I do not turn every story around like your suggesting i do not comment on must articles only the political ones and if you don't like it then don't read it simple as that.[/p][/quote]Until the Echo start putting "Warning: usual southy claptrap" on the front page next to headlines, I can't avoid reading it.[/p][/quote]You can look and read who the poster is then chose to avoid it simple as that[/p][/quote]I'm talking about the stories themselves, you fool. I come here to discuss them, and it's increasingly difficult to do so when you insist on turning every discussion into first of all your own personal soap box, and secondly into an argument about how everyone but you is some unthinking robot who hasn't got a clue what's going on in general. Go away, you utter moron, and leave the rest of us to discuss these things without a snide political agenda.[/p][/quote]If thats what you come here for to discuss then discuss it yourr on a bigger soap box than i am you don't want discussions you want one sided discussion and to call people names which is not discussing now is it. It was not so long ago that getting married with parent permission at the age of 16 and 17 so what is really strange about a teenager pregnant nothing it happens all the time and all ways have done, its not going to stop. And all this about them getting easy and quick housing is rubbish it will still take at lest 5 years to get a home, you are awarded points to what ever the conditions ditate. And all this is a distraction for some thing that going to be done that they do not want you to notice is happening.[/p][/quote]I certainly does not take 5 years to get a home! I know of at least 3 people who were all housed into decent 2 bed houses and given money to redecorate them when their child was less than 4 months old by Test Valley council. kyrrie
  • Score: 6

2:36pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

kyrrie wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents.
This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems
Do you really have to turn every story into a soapbox for your crackpot idiotic theories?
Well sooner or later you and others will come to realise its the system at fault. and it is like I said its designed to distract you from what is really going on.
Oh by the way I do not turn every story around like your suggesting i do not comment on must articles only the political ones and if you don't like it then don't read it simple as that.
Until the Echo start putting "Warning: usual southy claptrap" on the front page next to headlines, I can't avoid reading it.
You can look and read who the poster is then chose to avoid it simple as that
I'm talking about the stories themselves, you fool. I come here to discuss them, and it's increasingly difficult to do so when you insist on turning every discussion into first of all your own personal soap box, and secondly into an argument about how everyone but you is some unthinking robot who hasn't got a clue what's going on in general. Go away, you utter moron, and leave the rest of us to discuss these things without a snide political agenda.
If thats what you come here for to discuss then discuss it yourr on a bigger soap box than i am you don't want discussions you want one sided discussion and to call people names which is not discussing now is it.

It was not so long ago that getting married with parent permission at the age of 16 and 17 so what is really strange about a teenager pregnant nothing it happens all the time and all ways have done, its not going to stop.
And all this about them getting easy and quick housing is rubbish it will still take at lest 5 years to get a home, you are awarded points to what ever the conditions ditate.
And all this is a distraction for some thing that going to be done that they do not want you to notice is happening.
I certainly does not take 5 years to get a home! I know of at least 3 people who were all housed into decent 2 bed houses and given money to redecorate them when their child was less than 4 months old by Test Valley council.
I feel it only fair to warn you that arguing about facts with southy is a painful chore. He doesn't really understand what 'reality' means. If he states something worded as a fact, then as far as he is concerned, it IS a fact, and no amount of evidence to the contrary will ever change his mind on that. In fact, any attempt to convince him of something he doesn't already believe is written off as "false right wing propaganda" designed specifically by our evil tory overlords to discredit him in front of literally tens of people.
[quote][p][bold]kyrrie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents. This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems[/p][/quote]Do you really have to turn every story into a soapbox for your crackpot idiotic theories?[/p][/quote]Well sooner or later you and others will come to realise its the system at fault. and it is like I said its designed to distract you from what is really going on. Oh by the way I do not turn every story around like your suggesting i do not comment on must articles only the political ones and if you don't like it then don't read it simple as that.[/p][/quote]Until the Echo start putting "Warning: usual southy claptrap" on the front page next to headlines, I can't avoid reading it.[/p][/quote]You can look and read who the poster is then chose to avoid it simple as that[/p][/quote]I'm talking about the stories themselves, you fool. I come here to discuss them, and it's increasingly difficult to do so when you insist on turning every discussion into first of all your own personal soap box, and secondly into an argument about how everyone but you is some unthinking robot who hasn't got a clue what's going on in general. Go away, you utter moron, and leave the rest of us to discuss these things without a snide political agenda.[/p][/quote]If thats what you come here for to discuss then discuss it yourr on a bigger soap box than i am you don't want discussions you want one sided discussion and to call people names which is not discussing now is it. It was not so long ago that getting married with parent permission at the age of 16 and 17 so what is really strange about a teenager pregnant nothing it happens all the time and all ways have done, its not going to stop. And all this about them getting easy and quick housing is rubbish it will still take at lest 5 years to get a home, you are awarded points to what ever the conditions ditate. And all this is a distraction for some thing that going to be done that they do not want you to notice is happening.[/p][/quote]I certainly does not take 5 years to get a home! I know of at least 3 people who were all housed into decent 2 bed houses and given money to redecorate them when their child was less than 4 months old by Test Valley council.[/p][/quote]I feel it only fair to warn you that arguing about facts with southy is a painful chore. He doesn't really understand what 'reality' means. If he states something worded as a fact, then as far as he is concerned, it IS a fact, and no amount of evidence to the contrary will ever change his mind on that. In fact, any attempt to convince him of something he doesn't already believe is written off as "false right wing propaganda" designed specifically by our evil tory overlords to discredit him in front of literally tens of people. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 6

2:56pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Old Man of the Sea says...

whatwentwrongworld wrote:
Q Do you want to go through education, get a job, work hard, pay taxes and reap no rewards except for your own pride OR do you want to do what all your mates are doing and get pregnant, get a free house, get free gym membership, get free milk and fruit and veg and vitamins, get free driving lessons, get bigger and better free housing as time goes on and a grant for £200 to buy a 'buggy' with and loads of free time to yourself? Or I forgot free nursery places too. Its a no brainer for these girls, despite what their parents try to do.... It will never change until we stop giving out free money. Vouchers vouchers vouchers, its the only way. Vouchers for food, rent, buggy's, milk. Just not cash because its far too 'easy' for them to go the wrong way.
Sadly vouchers are not the be all and end all. There will be the profiteers who will give the 90% face value for cash. Some of the more naïve will fall for it. It is Draconian, but one way of reducing the pregnancies (you'll never stop them) is to establish hostels, complete with nurseries and class-rooms. No men allowed in the private rooms, ever! The mothers can learn the essentials, pride, value for money, contraception etc. All the mothers shall be required to work part-time to help pay for their keep. Washing, ironing etc, if they are totally unskilled.
[quote][p][bold]whatwentwrongworld[/bold] wrote: Q Do you want to go through education, get a job, work hard, pay taxes and reap no rewards except for your own pride OR do you want to do what all your mates are doing and get pregnant, get a free house, get free gym membership, get free milk and fruit and veg and vitamins, get free driving lessons, get bigger and better free housing as time goes on and a grant for £200 to buy a 'buggy' with and loads of free time to yourself? Or I forgot free nursery places too. Its a no brainer for these girls, despite what their parents try to do.... It will never change until we stop giving out free money. Vouchers vouchers vouchers, its the only way. Vouchers for food, rent, buggy's, milk. Just not cash because its far too 'easy' for them to go the wrong way.[/p][/quote]Sadly vouchers are not the be all and end all. There will be the profiteers who will give the 90% face value for cash. Some of the more naïve will fall for it. It is Draconian, but one way of reducing the pregnancies (you'll never stop them) is to establish hostels, complete with nurseries and class-rooms. No men allowed in the private rooms, ever! The mothers can learn the essentials, pride, value for money, contraception etc. All the mothers shall be required to work part-time to help pay for their keep. Washing, ironing etc, if they are totally unskilled. Old Man of the Sea
  • Score: 3

3:06pm Tue 22 Apr 14

forest hump says...

The current system encourages young girls to have kids. The current system has to change. I am sick and tired of being held up in line at my local convenience store by teenagers with innocent children in tow, buying their many scratch cards. 1. stop all monetary child benefits, give vouchers. 2. For those who cannot provide a roof over the childrens' heads, either live with parents or give up child(ren). Why should honest, hardworking folks have to continue to provide for irresponsible, selfish uneducated..........
fill in the rest
The current system encourages young girls to have kids. The current system has to change. I am sick and tired of being held up in line at my local convenience store by teenagers with innocent children in tow, buying their many scratch cards. 1. stop all monetary child benefits, give vouchers. 2. For those who cannot provide a roof over the childrens' heads, either live with parents or give up child(ren). Why should honest, hardworking folks have to continue to provide for irresponsible, selfish uneducated.......... fill in the rest forest hump
  • Score: 3

3:10pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

forest hump wrote:
The current system encourages young girls to have kids. The current system has to change. I am sick and tired of being held up in line at my local convenience store by teenagers with innocent children in tow, buying their many scratch cards. 1. stop all monetary child benefits, give vouchers. 2. For those who cannot provide a roof over the childrens' heads, either live with parents or give up child(ren). Why should honest, hardworking folks have to continue to provide for irresponsible, selfish uneducated..........

fill in the rest
Whether the child remains with the mother, or is put into care, the honest hard-working folks will be providing the care. What's the difference?
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: The current system encourages young girls to have kids. The current system has to change. I am sick and tired of being held up in line at my local convenience store by teenagers with innocent children in tow, buying their many scratch cards. 1. stop all monetary child benefits, give vouchers. 2. For those who cannot provide a roof over the childrens' heads, either live with parents or give up child(ren). Why should honest, hardworking folks have to continue to provide for irresponsible, selfish uneducated.......... fill in the rest[/p][/quote]Whether the child remains with the mother, or is put into care, the honest hard-working folks will be providing the care. What's the difference? Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 0

3:40pm Tue 22 Apr 14

good-gosh says...

kyrrie wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.
What planet do you live on? Obviously not the same one as the rest of us! When you have a child in your 20/30s you are usually in a stable relationship with a roof already over your heads and a job to support yourselves. How can this possibly compare to a 13-18 year old having a child, where is their job, house of their own etc. Oh yeah that's right they do t have one!
I wouldn’t recommend having a child at any age without first arranging a permanent home but I do recommend full support when it occurs earlier – whatever the age. That, by the way, is also the law - so critics have no choice in the matter
[quote][p][bold]kyrrie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.[/p][/quote]What planet do you live on? Obviously not the same one as the rest of us! When you have a child in your 20/30s you are usually in a stable relationship with a roof already over your heads and a job to support yourselves. How can this possibly compare to a 13-18 year old having a child, where is their job, house of their own etc. Oh yeah that's right they do t have one![/p][/quote]I wouldn’t recommend having a child at any age without first arranging a permanent home but I do recommend full support when it occurs earlier – whatever the age. That, by the way, is also the law - so critics have no choice in the matter good-gosh
  • Score: 1

3:58pm Tue 22 Apr 14

good-gosh says...

draward wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.
REALLY????? Did you really post that????
A mother in her 20's or 30's will be in a stable relationship, have a home and money to support a child! A teenager is a child still, will not be in a stable relationship, not have grown up, wont have a career to go back to, wont ever be able to provide. Think before posting perhaps.
I suspect that there must be far more mothers in their 20s and 30s on public support than there are teen mothers. Any normal parent of a teen mother would continue to look after them – not dump them on the council.
[quote][p][bold]draward[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.[/p][/quote]REALLY????? Did you really post that???? A mother in her 20's or 30's will be in a stable relationship, have a home and money to support a child! A teenager is a child still, will not be in a stable relationship, not have grown up, wont have a career to go back to, wont ever be able to provide. Think before posting perhaps.[/p][/quote]I suspect that there must be far more mothers in their 20s and 30s on public support than there are teen mothers. Any normal parent of a teen mother would continue to look after them – not dump them on the council. good-gosh
  • Score: 3

3:58pm Tue 22 Apr 14

wilson castaway says...

draward wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.
REALLY????? Did you really post that????
A mother in her 20's or 30's will be in a stable relationship, have a home and money to support a child! A teenager is a child still, will not be in a stable relationship, not have grown up, wont have a career to go back to, wont ever be able to provide. Think before posting perhaps.
Really?? working on a council estate I can tell you there are a lot more 20 /30 somethings on benefits than you think.I was 19 when I had my first child.I worked so did my partner and we have never claimed housing benefit or income support.The amount of people who presumed I was on benefits was unreal.The looks of disgust the tutts on the bus.I looked much younger then too.This was 14 years ago.Im still working, drive a car, we eek by each moth.Ive had three children have a nice home and paid for all of it ourselves.Just because you see a young female pushing a pram on a council estate it doesn't make them a scrounger.
[quote][p][bold]draward[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.[/p][/quote]REALLY????? Did you really post that???? A mother in her 20's or 30's will be in a stable relationship, have a home and money to support a child! A teenager is a child still, will not be in a stable relationship, not have grown up, wont have a career to go back to, wont ever be able to provide. Think before posting perhaps.[/p][/quote]Really?? working on a council estate I can tell you there are a lot more 20 /30 somethings on benefits than you think.I was 19 when I had my first child.I worked so did my partner and we have never claimed housing benefit or income support.The amount of people who presumed I was on benefits was unreal.The looks of disgust the tutts on the bus.I looked much younger then too.This was 14 years ago.Im still working, drive a car, we eek by each moth.Ive had three children have a nice home and paid for all of it ourselves.Just because you see a young female pushing a pram on a council estate it doesn't make them a scrounger. wilson castaway
  • Score: 2

4:08pm Tue 22 Apr 14

bethkt says...

You should only bring a child into the world if you have the right love support and can financially support him/her, don't tar everyone with the same brush. Young mums have always been an easy target! An easy subject to rant and rave about, just because you see a young parent with a child does not mean they are living off handouts, small minded.
You should only bring a child into the world if you have the right love support and can financially support him/her, don't tar everyone with the same brush. Young mums have always been an easy target! An easy subject to rant and rave about, just because you see a young parent with a child does not mean they are living off handouts, small minded. bethkt
  • Score: 0

4:14pm Tue 22 Apr 14

forest hump says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
forest hump wrote:
The current system encourages young girls to have kids. The current system has to change. I am sick and tired of being held up in line at my local convenience store by teenagers with innocent children in tow, buying their many scratch cards. 1. stop all monetary child benefits, give vouchers. 2. For those who cannot provide a roof over the childrens' heads, either live with parents or give up child(ren). Why should honest, hardworking folks have to continue to provide for irresponsible, selfish uneducated..........


fill in the rest
Whether the child remains with the mother, or is put into care, the honest hard-working folks will be providing the care. What's the difference?
The difference is quite simple. It might deter their retarded minds from conceiving. It will also bring the child up with values. We are currently producing 3rd generation spongers.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: The current system encourages young girls to have kids. The current system has to change. I am sick and tired of being held up in line at my local convenience store by teenagers with innocent children in tow, buying their many scratch cards. 1. stop all monetary child benefits, give vouchers. 2. For those who cannot provide a roof over the childrens' heads, either live with parents or give up child(ren). Why should honest, hardworking folks have to continue to provide for irresponsible, selfish uneducated.......... fill in the rest[/p][/quote]Whether the child remains with the mother, or is put into care, the honest hard-working folks will be providing the care. What's the difference?[/p][/quote]The difference is quite simple. It might deter their retarded minds from conceiving. It will also bring the child up with values. We are currently producing 3rd generation spongers. forest hump
  • Score: 2

4:16pm Tue 22 Apr 14

forest hump says...

bethkt wrote:
You should only bring a child into the world if you have the right love support and can financially support him/her, don't tar everyone with the same brush. Young mums have always been an easy target! An easy subject to rant and rave about, just because you see a young parent with a child does not mean they are living off handouts, small minded.
You are right. Not all but the majority.
[quote][p][bold]bethkt[/bold] wrote: You should only bring a child into the world if you have the right love support and can financially support him/her, don't tar everyone with the same brush. Young mums have always been an easy target! An easy subject to rant and rave about, just because you see a young parent with a child does not mean they are living off handouts, small minded.[/p][/quote]You are right. Not all but the majority. forest hump
  • Score: -3

4:18pm Tue 22 Apr 14

good-gosh says...

bullsbags wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
killared wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.
You must be joking just walk in the city center on Saturday and ask those young girl with their pram how old they are and if they get support from their Families please get real ! I agree teenage or early 20's doesn't make any difference but the fact is tax payers have to pay the bills for these selfish idiots !
I wouldn't dream of embarrassing a mother with such a question. But I don’t think it its selfish to dedicate the next 20 years to raising a child and I have no problem with being taxed to help the few who find it difficult.
THE FEW
Open your eyes,they are everywhere and do you know what,I DO OBJECT TO MY TAXES PAYING FOR THEM
Tough - its the law - put up with it. .
[quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.[/p][/quote]You must be joking just walk in the city center on Saturday and ask those young girl with their pram how old they are and if they get support from their Families please get real ! I agree teenage or early 20's doesn't make any difference but the fact is tax payers have to pay the bills for these selfish idiots ![/p][/quote]I wouldn't dream of embarrassing a mother with such a question. But I don’t think it its selfish to dedicate the next 20 years to raising a child and I have no problem with being taxed to help the few who find it difficult.[/p][/quote]THE FEW Open your eyes,they are everywhere and do you know what,I DO OBJECT TO MY TAXES PAYING FOR THEM[/p][/quote]Tough - its the law - put up with it. . good-gosh
  • Score: -1

4:25pm Tue 22 Apr 14

killared says...

good-gosh wrote:
bullsbags wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
killared wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.
You must be joking just walk in the city center on Saturday and ask those young girl with their pram how old they are and if they get support from their Families please get real ! I agree teenage or early 20's doesn't make any difference but the fact is tax payers have to pay the bills for these selfish idiots !
I wouldn't dream of embarrassing a mother with such a question. But I don’t think it its selfish to dedicate the next 20 years to raising a child and I have no problem with being taxed to help the few who find it difficult.
THE FEW
Open your eyes,they are everywhere and do you know what,I DO OBJECT TO MY TAXES PAYING FOR THEM
Tough - its the law - put up with it. .
Obviously truth hurt !
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.[/p][/quote]You must be joking just walk in the city center on Saturday and ask those young girl with their pram how old they are and if they get support from their Families please get real ! I agree teenage or early 20's doesn't make any difference but the fact is tax payers have to pay the bills for these selfish idiots ![/p][/quote]I wouldn't dream of embarrassing a mother with such a question. But I don’t think it its selfish to dedicate the next 20 years to raising a child and I have no problem with being taxed to help the few who find it difficult.[/p][/quote]THE FEW Open your eyes,they are everywhere and do you know what,I DO OBJECT TO MY TAXES PAYING FOR THEM[/p][/quote]Tough - its the law - put up with it. .[/p][/quote]Obviously truth hurt ! killared
  • Score: 2

4:35pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents.
This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems
Do you really have to turn every story into a soapbox for your crackpot idiotic theories?
Well sooner or later you and others will come to realise its the system at fault. and it is like I said its designed to distract you from what is really going on.
Oh by the way I do not turn every story around like your suggesting i do not comment on must articles only the political ones and if you don't like it then don't read it simple as that.
Until the Echo start putting "Warning: usual southy claptrap" on the front page next to headlines, I can't avoid reading it.
You can look and read who the poster is then chose to avoid it simple as that
I'm talking about the stories themselves, you fool. I come here to discuss them, and it's increasingly difficult to do so when you insist on turning every discussion into first of all your own personal soap box, and secondly into an argument about how everyone but you is some unthinking robot who hasn't got a clue what's going on in general. Go away, you utter moron, and leave the rest of us to discuss these things without a snide political agenda.
If thats what you come here for to discuss then discuss it yourr on a bigger soap box than i am you don't want discussions you want one sided discussion and to call people names which is not discussing now is it.

It was not so long ago that getting married with parent permission at the age of 16 and 17 so what is really strange about a teenager pregnant nothing it happens all the time and all ways have done, its not going to stop.
And all this about them getting easy and quick housing is rubbish it will still take at lest 5 years to get a home, you are awarded points to what ever the conditions ditate.
And all this is a distraction for some thing that going to be done that they do not want you to notice is happening.
Again, you are confusing your opinion with facts.

Please, you are the Don of distraction.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And now back to run the hate campaign against teenage parents. This is what its really about a hate campaign designed to keep your mind occupied away from the real problems[/p][/quote]Do you really have to turn every story into a soapbox for your crackpot idiotic theories?[/p][/quote]Well sooner or later you and others will come to realise its the system at fault. and it is like I said its designed to distract you from what is really going on. Oh by the way I do not turn every story around like your suggesting i do not comment on must articles only the political ones and if you don't like it then don't read it simple as that.[/p][/quote]Until the Echo start putting "Warning: usual southy claptrap" on the front page next to headlines, I can't avoid reading it.[/p][/quote]You can look and read who the poster is then chose to avoid it simple as that[/p][/quote]I'm talking about the stories themselves, you fool. I come here to discuss them, and it's increasingly difficult to do so when you insist on turning every discussion into first of all your own personal soap box, and secondly into an argument about how everyone but you is some unthinking robot who hasn't got a clue what's going on in general. Go away, you utter moron, and leave the rest of us to discuss these things without a snide political agenda.[/p][/quote]If thats what you come here for to discuss then discuss it yourr on a bigger soap box than i am you don't want discussions you want one sided discussion and to call people names which is not discussing now is it. It was not so long ago that getting married with parent permission at the age of 16 and 17 so what is really strange about a teenager pregnant nothing it happens all the time and all ways have done, its not going to stop. And all this about them getting easy and quick housing is rubbish it will still take at lest 5 years to get a home, you are awarded points to what ever the conditions ditate. And all this is a distraction for some thing that going to be done that they do not want you to notice is happening.[/p][/quote]Again, you are confusing your opinion with facts. Please, you are the Don of distraction. Shoong
  • Score: 6

4:43pm Tue 22 Apr 14

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
oh Charlie Bucket I only comment on political items and this is political weather if you like it or not
.. oh southy. You 'only comment on political issues' - do me a favour. Your range of foolish interventions on this website includes: -
Carbon dating ‘stones’.
Making up an imaginary brother of Gen Pinochet.
‘fish can not feel pain’.
‘we are all born with some form of cancer’.
‘fluride is more likely be like sulphur’.
‘TB can lay dorment, and be triggered with the right type of weather conditions’.
Average wage in the UK is £60,000.
‘more leaving the counctry than there is coming in’.
French largest EU population in UK.
SCC has no multi-story car parks.
Sulphur Fluorides are natural and in every river.
‘brain cells can be repaired or replace by the body natural system’.
Council tax – goes to central government and only small amount comes back to local authority.
Meadow Fritillary butterfly is native.
Rahit Maryada – oh that saga went on for ages.
Brown Dwarf stars are comets.
Oxygen can become CO2 without adding carbon.
‘you burn some thing it takes air, and that air will change to co2’.
Moon causes earthquakes.
Dredging Southampton Water causes landslips in Weston.
Inventing a new species of sparrow.
Sulphur biggest cause of cancer.
Atmospheric CO2 less now than 100 years ago.
The EEC 1975 Referendum wording.
63% of the population of Northern Ireland is under age 18.
Oh, and the earth wobble - that was a good one.
Etc, etc, ad infinitum
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: oh Charlie Bucket I only comment on political items and this is political weather if you like it or not[/p][/quote].. oh southy. You 'only comment on political issues' - do me a favour. Your range of foolish interventions on this website includes: - Carbon dating ‘stones’. Making up an imaginary brother of Gen Pinochet. ‘fish can not feel pain’. ‘we are all born with some form of cancer’. ‘fluride is more likely be like sulphur’. ‘TB can lay dorment, and be triggered with the right type of weather conditions’. Average wage in the UK is £60,000. ‘more leaving the counctry than there is coming in’. French largest EU population in UK. SCC has no multi-story car parks. Sulphur Fluorides are natural and in every river. ‘brain cells can be repaired or replace by the body natural system’. Council tax – goes to central government and only small amount comes back to local authority. Meadow Fritillary butterfly is native. Rahit Maryada – oh that saga went on for ages. Brown Dwarf stars are comets. Oxygen can become CO2 without adding carbon. ‘you burn some thing it takes air, and that air will change to co2’. Moon causes earthquakes. Dredging Southampton Water causes landslips in Weston. Inventing a new species of sparrow. Sulphur biggest cause of cancer. Atmospheric CO2 less now than 100 years ago. The EEC 1975 Referendum wording. 63% of the population of Northern Ireland is under age 18. Oh, and the earth wobble - that was a good one. Etc, etc, ad infinitum freefinker
  • Score: 8

4:46pm Tue 22 Apr 14

allstar says...

This may upset some , But now is the time to really consider forced abortion for those that have babies without any thought for what it may bring
This may upset some , But now is the time to really consider forced abortion for those that have babies without any thought for what it may bring allstar
  • Score: -3

4:53pm Tue 22 Apr 14

forest hump says...

allstar wrote:
This may upset some , But now is the time to really consider forced abortion for those that have babies without any thought for what it may bring
You could be right Adolf! Worth consideration.
[quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: This may upset some , But now is the time to really consider forced abortion for those that have babies without any thought for what it may bring[/p][/quote]You could be right Adolf! Worth consideration. forest hump
  • Score: 6

5:00pm Tue 22 Apr 14

killared says...

allstar wrote:
This may upset some , But now is the time to really consider forced abortion for those that have babies without any thought for what it may bring
Jesus please calm down !
[quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: This may upset some , But now is the time to really consider forced abortion for those that have babies without any thought for what it may bring[/p][/quote]Jesus please calm down ! killared
  • Score: 0

5:08pm Tue 22 Apr 14

good-gosh says...

Having a baby is not the end of the world. In fact, it’s the opposite for some.
Having a baby is not the end of the world. In fact, it’s the opposite for some. good-gosh
  • Score: 0

5:25pm Tue 22 Apr 14

bullsbags says...

good-gosh wrote:
bullsbags wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
killared wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.
You must be joking just walk in the city center on Saturday and ask those young girl with their pram how old they are and if they get support from their Families please get real ! I agree teenage or early 20's doesn't make any difference but the fact is tax payers have to pay the bills for these selfish idiots !
I wouldn't dream of embarrassing a mother with such a question. But I don’t think it its selfish to dedicate the next 20 years to raising a child and I have no problem with being taxed to help the few who find it difficult.
THE FEW
Open your eyes,they are everywhere and do you know what,I DO OBJECT TO MY TAXES PAYING FOR THEM
Tough - its the law - put up with it. .
About time it was changed then
Let's give them a new car and a fort nights all inclusive to Barbados whilst we are at it!
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: I don’t see any difference between a teenage mother and a 20+or 30+ mother. They all need support – usually provided happily by their wider families and not the council - whatever their age.[/p][/quote]You must be joking just walk in the city center on Saturday and ask those young girl with their pram how old they are and if they get support from their Families please get real ! I agree teenage or early 20's doesn't make any difference but the fact is tax payers have to pay the bills for these selfish idiots ![/p][/quote]I wouldn't dream of embarrassing a mother with such a question. But I don’t think it its selfish to dedicate the next 20 years to raising a child and I have no problem with being taxed to help the few who find it difficult.[/p][/quote]THE FEW Open your eyes,they are everywhere and do you know what,I DO OBJECT TO MY TAXES PAYING FOR THEM[/p][/quote]Tough - its the law - put up with it. .[/p][/quote]About time it was changed then Let's give them a new car and a fort nights all inclusive to Barbados whilst we are at it! bullsbags
  • Score: 2

5:25pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Shoong says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote: oh Charlie Bucket I only comment on political items and this is political weather if you like it or not
.. oh southy. You 'only comment on political issues' - do me a favour. Your range of foolish interventions on this website includes: - Carbon dating ‘stones’. Making up an imaginary brother of Gen Pinochet. ‘fish can not feel pain’. ‘we are all born with some form of cancer’. ‘fluride is more likely be like sulphur’. ‘TB can lay dorment, and be triggered with the right type of weather conditions’. Average wage in the UK is £60,000. ‘more leaving the counctry than there is coming in’. French largest EU population in UK. SCC has no multi-story car parks. Sulphur Fluorides are natural and in every river. ‘brain cells can be repaired or replace by the body natural system’. Council tax – goes to central government and only small amount comes back to local authority. Meadow Fritillary butterfly is native. Rahit Maryada – oh that saga went on for ages. Brown Dwarf stars are comets. Oxygen can become CO2 without adding carbon. ‘you burn some thing it takes air, and that air will change to co2’. Moon causes earthquakes. Dredging Southampton Water causes landslips in Weston. Inventing a new species of sparrow. Sulphur biggest cause of cancer. Atmospheric CO2 less now than 100 years ago. The EEC 1975 Referendum wording. 63% of the population of Northern Ireland is under age 18. Oh, and the earth wobble - that was a good one. Etc, etc, ad infinitum
Is there some kind of medical condition that makes a person embarrass themselves or display some kind of bull headed ignorance contrary to the facts?

I could write an entire medical paper on this person.

Brown Dwarfs are comets gets my vote.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: oh Charlie Bucket I only comment on political items and this is political weather if you like it or not[/p][/quote].. oh southy. You 'only comment on political issues' - do me a favour. Your range of foolish interventions on this website includes: - Carbon dating ‘stones’. Making up an imaginary brother of Gen Pinochet. ‘fish can not feel pain’. ‘we are all born with some form of cancer’. ‘fluride is more likely be like sulphur’. ‘TB can lay dorment, and be triggered with the right type of weather conditions’. Average wage in the UK is £60,000. ‘more leaving the counctry than there is coming in’. French largest EU population in UK. SCC has no multi-story car parks. Sulphur Fluorides are natural and in every river. ‘brain cells can be repaired or replace by the body natural system’. Council tax – goes to central government and only small amount comes back to local authority. Meadow Fritillary butterfly is native. Rahit Maryada – oh that saga went on for ages. Brown Dwarf stars are comets. Oxygen can become CO2 without adding carbon. ‘you burn some thing it takes air, and that air will change to co2’. Moon causes earthquakes. Dredging Southampton Water causes landslips in Weston. Inventing a new species of sparrow. Sulphur biggest cause of cancer. Atmospheric CO2 less now than 100 years ago. The EEC 1975 Referendum wording. 63% of the population of Northern Ireland is under age 18. Oh, and the earth wobble - that was a good one. Etc, etc, ad infinitum[/p][/quote]Is there some kind of medical condition that makes a person embarrass themselves or display some kind of bull headed ignorance contrary to the facts? I could write an entire medical paper on this person. Brown Dwarfs are comets gets my vote. Shoong
  • Score: 7

5:33pm Tue 22 Apr 14

freefinker says...

Shoong wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote: oh Charlie Bucket I only comment on political items and this is political weather if you like it or not
.. oh southy. You 'only comment on political issues' - do me a favour. Your range of foolish interventions on this website includes: - Carbon dating ‘stones’. Making up an imaginary brother of Gen Pinochet. ‘fish can not feel pain’. ‘we are all born with some form of cancer’. ‘fluride is more likely be like sulphur’. ‘TB can lay dorment, and be triggered with the right type of weather conditions’. Average wage in the UK is £60,000. ‘more leaving the counctry than there is coming in’. French largest EU population in UK. SCC has no multi-story car parks. Sulphur Fluorides are natural and in every river. ‘brain cells can be repaired or replace by the body natural system’. Council tax – goes to central government and only small amount comes back to local authority. Meadow Fritillary butterfly is native. Rahit Maryada – oh that saga went on for ages. Brown Dwarf stars are comets. Oxygen can become CO2 without adding carbon. ‘you burn some thing it takes air, and that air will change to co2’. Moon causes earthquakes. Dredging Southampton Water causes landslips in Weston. Inventing a new species of sparrow. Sulphur biggest cause of cancer. Atmospheric CO2 less now than 100 years ago. The EEC 1975 Referendum wording. 63% of the population of Northern Ireland is under age 18. Oh, and the earth wobble - that was a good one. Etc, etc, ad infinitum
Is there some kind of medical condition that makes a person embarrass themselves or display some kind of bull headed ignorance contrary to the facts?

I could write an entire medical paper on this person.

Brown Dwarfs are comets gets my vote.
.. oh, and I forgot; Hurst Spit was man-made in the 17th century.
That was definitely in my all time top 5
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: oh Charlie Bucket I only comment on political items and this is political weather if you like it or not[/p][/quote].. oh southy. You 'only comment on political issues' - do me a favour. Your range of foolish interventions on this website includes: - Carbon dating ‘stones’. Making up an imaginary brother of Gen Pinochet. ‘fish can not feel pain’. ‘we are all born with some form of cancer’. ‘fluride is more likely be like sulphur’. ‘TB can lay dorment, and be triggered with the right type of weather conditions’. Average wage in the UK is £60,000. ‘more leaving the counctry than there is coming in’. French largest EU population in UK. SCC has no multi-story car parks. Sulphur Fluorides are natural and in every river. ‘brain cells can be repaired or replace by the body natural system’. Council tax – goes to central government and only small amount comes back to local authority. Meadow Fritillary butterfly is native. Rahit Maryada – oh that saga went on for ages. Brown Dwarf stars are comets. Oxygen can become CO2 without adding carbon. ‘you burn some thing it takes air, and that air will change to co2’. Moon causes earthquakes. Dredging Southampton Water causes landslips in Weston. Inventing a new species of sparrow. Sulphur biggest cause of cancer. Atmospheric CO2 less now than 100 years ago. The EEC 1975 Referendum wording. 63% of the population of Northern Ireland is under age 18. Oh, and the earth wobble - that was a good one. Etc, etc, ad infinitum[/p][/quote]Is there some kind of medical condition that makes a person embarrass themselves or display some kind of bull headed ignorance contrary to the facts? I could write an entire medical paper on this person. Brown Dwarfs are comets gets my vote.[/p][/quote].. oh, and I forgot; Hurst Spit was man-made in the 17th century. That was definitely in my all time top 5 freefinker
  • Score: 7

9:04pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Dr Martin says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
oh Charlie Bucket I only comment on political items and this is political weather if you like it or not
.. oh southy. You 'only comment on political issues' - do me a favour. Your range of foolish interventions on this website includes: -
Carbon dating ‘stones’.
Making up an imaginary brother of Gen Pinochet.
‘fish can not feel pain’.
‘we are all born with some form of cancer’.
‘fluride is more likely be like sulphur’.
‘TB can lay dorment, and be triggered with the right type of weather conditions’.
Average wage in the UK is £60,000.
‘more leaving the counctry than there is coming in’.
French largest EU population in UK.
SCC has no multi-story car parks.
Sulphur Fluorides are natural and in every river.
‘brain cells can be repaired or replace by the body natural system’.
Council tax – goes to central government and only small amount comes back to local authority.
Meadow Fritillary butterfly is native.
Rahit Maryada – oh that saga went on for ages.
Brown Dwarf stars are comets.
Oxygen can become CO2 without adding carbon.
‘you burn some thing it takes air, and that air will change to co2’.
Moon causes earthquakes.
Dredging Southampton Water causes landslips in Weston.
Inventing a new species of sparrow.
Sulphur biggest cause of cancer.
Atmospheric CO2 less now than 100 years ago.
The EEC 1975 Referendum wording.
63% of the population of Northern Ireland is under age 18.
Oh, and the earth wobble - that was a good one.
Etc, etc, ad infinitum
and "People that only take cannabis suffer no ill effects what so ever"
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: oh Charlie Bucket I only comment on political items and this is political weather if you like it or not[/p][/quote].. oh southy. You 'only comment on political issues' - do me a favour. Your range of foolish interventions on this website includes: - Carbon dating ‘stones’. Making up an imaginary brother of Gen Pinochet. ‘fish can not feel pain’. ‘we are all born with some form of cancer’. ‘fluride is more likely be like sulphur’. ‘TB can lay dorment, and be triggered with the right type of weather conditions’. Average wage in the UK is £60,000. ‘more leaving the counctry than there is coming in’. French largest EU population in UK. SCC has no multi-story car parks. Sulphur Fluorides are natural and in every river. ‘brain cells can be repaired or replace by the body natural system’. Council tax – goes to central government and only small amount comes back to local authority. Meadow Fritillary butterfly is native. Rahit Maryada – oh that saga went on for ages. Brown Dwarf stars are comets. Oxygen can become CO2 without adding carbon. ‘you burn some thing it takes air, and that air will change to co2’. Moon causes earthquakes. Dredging Southampton Water causes landslips in Weston. Inventing a new species of sparrow. Sulphur biggest cause of cancer. Atmospheric CO2 less now than 100 years ago. The EEC 1975 Referendum wording. 63% of the population of Northern Ireland is under age 18. Oh, and the earth wobble - that was a good one. Etc, etc, ad infinitum[/p][/quote]and "People that only take cannabis suffer no ill effects what so ever" Dr Martin
  • Score: 4

11:36pm Tue 22 Apr 14

_watchman says...

A lot of creative and well informed comments on here, and quite a few not so helpful. We have recently seen some girls as young as 13 bear a child from a boy as young as them, yet no charges are ever brought against them or their kin. So how on earth do you stop a young woman from making a life choice, regardless of provision ? There but for the grace of god !
A lot of creative and well informed comments on here, and quite a few not so helpful. We have recently seen some girls as young as 13 bear a child from a boy as young as them, yet no charges are ever brought against them or their kin. So how on earth do you stop a young woman from making a life choice, regardless of provision ? There but for the grace of god ! _watchman
  • Score: 4

3:40am Wed 23 Apr 14

FreeCity says...

A simply solution would be for the government to reform the planning laws, get out of social housing completely and let the free market decide what properties are required. We will then end up with more accomodation than people which is great as then landlords will have to compete for tenants. Which means teenage girls at risk of pregnancy will no longer need to get knocked up by the local Lothario; they can simply move out into good, low cost accomodation. Let's also get the government out of running welfare completely and let charities, voluntary organisations, trade unions and private companies spend the money instead. Which means less cost, less inefficiency, better training opportunities and a better standard of living for these young ladies. Of course, such actions would cause housing to be a lot cheaper to buy/rent but I'm sure sensible homeowners don't want to see artificially high prices that are currently maintained by poor planning rules and a bloated welfare state. Do they?
A simply solution would be for the government to reform the planning laws, get out of social housing completely and let the free market decide what properties are required. We will then end up with more accomodation than people which is great as then landlords will have to compete for tenants. Which means teenage girls at risk of pregnancy will no longer need to get knocked up by the local Lothario; they can simply move out into good, low cost accomodation. Let's also get the government out of running welfare completely and let charities, voluntary organisations, trade unions and private companies spend the money instead. Which means less cost, less inefficiency, better training opportunities and a better standard of living for these young ladies. Of course, such actions would cause housing to be a lot cheaper to buy/rent but I'm sure sensible homeowners don't want to see artificially high prices that are currently maintained by poor planning rules and a bloated welfare state. Do they? FreeCity
  • Score: -3

7:15am Wed 23 Apr 14

Kirsty666 says...

Simple answer chastity belts with lock and key.
But on a serious note children under 16 that fall pregnant should be made to abort especially if their parents are on benefits and the state have to look after the kid
Simple answer chastity belts with lock and key. But on a serious note children under 16 that fall pregnant should be made to abort especially if their parents are on benefits and the state have to look after the kid Kirsty666
  • Score: 2

8:36am Wed 23 Apr 14

wwozzer says...

I can't believe any sane person would get pregnant just for a measly benefit handout and a damp flat.

We need to be teaching girls to have more respect for themselves, to aim higher and believe they can achieve something greater than simply using their womb while they're still a child themselves and writing their lives off.
I can't believe any sane person would get pregnant just for a measly benefit handout and a damp flat. We need to be teaching girls to have more respect for themselves, to aim higher and believe they can achieve something greater than simply using their womb while they're still a child themselves and writing their lives off. wwozzer
  • Score: 3

9:04am Wed 23 Apr 14

From the sidelines says...

Not only do these young single mothers cost us a fortune, they grow into the utterly parasitic Vanderstichele dynasty - see story about the house that they have turned into a fetid mess.

A blight on any area they're housed. A blight on society as a whole.
Not only do these young single mothers cost us a fortune, they grow into the utterly parasitic Vanderstichele dynasty - see story about the house that they have turned into a fetid mess. A blight on any area they're housed. A blight on society as a whole. From the sidelines
  • Score: 3

9:21am Wed 23 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

wwozzer wrote:
I can't believe any sane person would get pregnant just for a measly benefit handout and a damp flat.

We need to be teaching girls to have more respect for themselves, to aim higher and believe they can achieve something greater than simply using their womb while they're still a child themselves and writing their lives off.
There's been a bit of a shift in general to people getting the whole 'having kids thing out of the way early, so they've grown up and left home while the parents are still young enough to enjoy the rest of their lives.
[quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: I can't believe any sane person would get pregnant just for a measly benefit handout and a damp flat. We need to be teaching girls to have more respect for themselves, to aim higher and believe they can achieve something greater than simply using their womb while they're still a child themselves and writing their lives off.[/p][/quote]There's been a bit of a shift in general to people getting the whole 'having kids thing out of the way early, so they've grown up and left home while the parents are still young enough to enjoy the rest of their lives. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: -1

11:07am Wed 23 Apr 14

sarfhamton says...

Kirsty666 wrote:
Simple answer chastity belts with lock and key.
But on a serious note children under 16 that fall pregnant should be made to abort especially if their parents are on benefits and the state have to look after the kid
What a disgusting comment
[quote][p][bold]Kirsty666[/bold] wrote: Simple answer chastity belts with lock and key. But on a serious note children under 16 that fall pregnant should be made to abort especially if their parents are on benefits and the state have to look after the kid[/p][/quote]What a disgusting comment sarfhamton
  • Score: -3

12:52pm Wed 23 Apr 14

From the sidelines says...

sarfhamton wrote:
Kirsty666 wrote:
Simple answer chastity belts with lock and key.
But on a serious note children under 16 that fall pregnant should be made to abort especially if their parents are on benefits and the state have to look after the kid
What a disgusting comment
Not disgusting, practical.

There's contraception, abortion and adoption. There's no excuse for a 16 year-old with a child to be dependent on benefits. If you can't look after it, you shouldn't have it.
[quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kirsty666[/bold] wrote: Simple answer chastity belts with lock and key. But on a serious note children under 16 that fall pregnant should be made to abort especially if their parents are on benefits and the state have to look after the kid[/p][/quote]What a disgusting comment[/p][/quote]Not disgusting, practical. There's contraception, abortion and adoption. There's no excuse for a 16 year-old with a child to be dependent on benefits. If you can't look after it, you shouldn't have it. From the sidelines
  • Score: 2

12:57pm Wed 23 Apr 14

From the sidelines says...

allstar wrote:
This may upset some , But now is the time to really consider forced abortion for those that have babies without any thought for what it may bring
Good point. Just to head off the loonies, I can't think of any religion that both condemns abortion and promotes fornication.

Anyone care to help me out?
[quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: This may upset some , But now is the time to really consider forced abortion for those that have babies without any thought for what it may bring[/p][/quote]Good point. Just to head off the loonies, I can't think of any religion that both condemns abortion and promotes fornication. Anyone care to help me out? From the sidelines
  • Score: 1

1:26pm Wed 23 Apr 14

good-gosh says...

From the sidelines wrote:
allstar wrote:
This may upset some , But now is the time to really consider forced abortion for those that have babies without any thought for what it may bring
Good point. Just to head off the loonies, I can't think of any religion that both condemns abortion and promotes fornication.

Anyone care to help me out?
Any infant unfortunate enough to be born to these two bloggers would be better off running away when it gets its first pair of little shoes.
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: This may upset some , But now is the time to really consider forced abortion for those that have babies without any thought for what it may bring[/p][/quote]Good point. Just to head off the loonies, I can't think of any religion that both condemns abortion and promotes fornication. Anyone care to help me out?[/p][/quote]Any infant unfortunate enough to be born to these two bloggers would be better off running away when it gets its first pair of little shoes. good-gosh
  • Score: 2

1:43pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

From the sidelines wrote:
allstar wrote:
This may upset some , But now is the time to really consider forced abortion for those that have babies without any thought for what it may bring
Good point. Just to head off the loonies, I can't think of any religion that both condemns abortion and promotes fornication.

Anyone care to help me out?
Did you really just try to use *religion* to back up your argument? That's a new low, even for an Echo Reader(tm).
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: This may upset some , But now is the time to really consider forced abortion for those that have babies without any thought for what it may bring[/p][/quote]Good point. Just to head off the loonies, I can't think of any religion that both condemns abortion and promotes fornication. Anyone care to help me out?[/p][/quote]Did you really just try to use *religion* to back up your argument? That's a new low, even for an Echo Reader(tm). Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 6

10:47pm Wed 23 Apr 14

4abettersouthampton says...

GET RID OF THE RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS !

ALL SCHOOLS SHOULD BE STATE RUN !!

We need proper sex ed !
GET RID OF THE RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS ! ALL SCHOOLS SHOULD BE STATE RUN !! We need proper sex ed ! 4abettersouthampton
  • Score: -10

4:18pm Thu 24 Apr 14

LadySam says...

Let them get pregnant if they are that stupid but please don't let my taxes pay for them and their offspring. Tired of propping up those producing the next generation of benefit breeders.
Let them get pregnant if they are that stupid but please don't let my taxes pay for them and their offspring. Tired of propping up those producing the next generation of benefit breeders. LadySam
  • Score: 2

6:19pm Thu 24 Apr 14

From the sidelines says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
allstar wrote:
This may upset some , But now is the time to really consider forced abortion for those that have babies without any thought for what it may bring
Good point. Just to head off the loonies, I can't think of any religion that both condemns abortion and promotes fornication.

Anyone care to help me out?
Did you really just try to use *religion* to back up your argument? That's a new low, even for an Echo Reader(tm).
Er, no.

Ask an adult to read the comment and explain it to you. You're obviously having trouble comprehending.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: This may upset some , But now is the time to really consider forced abortion for those that have babies without any thought for what it may bring[/p][/quote]Good point. Just to head off the loonies, I can't think of any religion that both condemns abortion and promotes fornication. Anyone care to help me out?[/p][/quote]Did you really just try to use *religion* to back up your argument? That's a new low, even for an Echo Reader(tm).[/p][/quote]Er, no. Ask an adult to read the comment and explain it to you. You're obviously having trouble comprehending. From the sidelines
  • Score: -3

6:21pm Thu 24 Apr 14

From the sidelines says...

good-gosh wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
allstar wrote:
This may upset some , But now is the time to really consider forced abortion for those that have babies without any thought for what it may bring
Good point. Just to head off the loonies, I can't think of any religion that both condemns abortion and promotes fornication.

Anyone care to help me out?
Any infant unfortunate enough to be born to these two bloggers would be better off running away when it gets its first pair of little shoes.
Any infant might find that it is fortunate enough to be born into a secure and self-supporting household, well able to cater to its needs.

My 'infants' have not felt the need to run away.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: This may upset some , But now is the time to really consider forced abortion for those that have babies without any thought for what it may bring[/p][/quote]Good point. Just to head off the loonies, I can't think of any religion that both condemns abortion and promotes fornication. Anyone care to help me out?[/p][/quote]Any infant unfortunate enough to be born to these two bloggers would be better off running away when it gets its first pair of little shoes.[/p][/quote]Any infant might find that it is fortunate enough to be born into a secure and self-supporting household, well able to cater to its needs. My 'infants' have not felt the need to run away. From the sidelines
  • Score: 1

6:44pm Thu 24 Apr 14

good-gosh says...

From the sidelines wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
allstar wrote:
This may upset some , But now is the time to really consider forced abortion for those that have babies without any thought for what it may bring
Good point. Just to head off the loonies, I can't think of any religion that both condemns abortion and promotes fornication.

Anyone care to help me out?
Any infant unfortunate enough to be born to these two bloggers would be better off running away when it gets its first pair of little shoes.
Any infant might find that it is fortunate enough to be born into a secure and self-supporting household, well able to cater to its needs.

My 'infants' have not felt the need to run away.
I'm pleased to hear that – all children are entitled to a happy life – including those who are at risk of economic hardship.
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: This may upset some , But now is the time to really consider forced abortion for those that have babies without any thought for what it may bring[/p][/quote]Good point. Just to head off the loonies, I can't think of any religion that both condemns abortion and promotes fornication. Anyone care to help me out?[/p][/quote]Any infant unfortunate enough to be born to these two bloggers would be better off running away when it gets its first pair of little shoes.[/p][/quote]Any infant might find that it is fortunate enough to be born into a secure and self-supporting household, well able to cater to its needs. My 'infants' have not felt the need to run away.[/p][/quote]I'm pleased to hear that – all children are entitled to a happy life – including those who are at risk of economic hardship. good-gosh
  • Score: 2

5:38am Fri 25 Apr 14

nervousbumskin420 says...

never paid taxes? Then no handouts...simple as that!!
never paid taxes? Then no handouts...simple as that!! nervousbumskin420
  • Score: -3

7:44am Fri 25 Apr 14

4abettersouthampton says...

GET RID OF ALL RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS

SCHOOLS SHOULD BE STATE RUN

WE NEED PROPER SEX ED IN SCHOOLS
GET RID OF ALL RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS SCHOOLS SHOULD BE STATE RUN WE NEED PROPER SEX ED IN SCHOOLS 4abettersouthampton
  • Score: -5

6:15pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Kirsty666 says...

sarfhamton wrote:
Kirsty666 wrote:
Simple answer chastity belts with lock and key.
But on a serious note children under 16 that fall pregnant should be made to abort especially if their parents are on benefits and the state have to look after the kid
What a disgusting comment
But true I'm a tax payer same as my husband and have NEVER been on benefits so why should I pay for a kid to have a kid so they can get a council flat and spend the rest of their lives on the dole because nobody taught them about contraception and yes I have my own kids before you think I don't
[quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kirsty666[/bold] wrote: Simple answer chastity belts with lock and key. But on a serious note children under 16 that fall pregnant should be made to abort especially if their parents are on benefits and the state have to look after the kid[/p][/quote]What a disgusting comment[/p][/quote]But true I'm a tax payer same as my husband and have NEVER been on benefits so why should I pay for a kid to have a kid so they can get a council flat and spend the rest of their lives on the dole because nobody taught them about contraception and yes I have my own kids before you think I don't Kirsty666
  • Score: -2

8:47pm Sat 26 Apr 14

FreeCity says...

"This may upset some, But now is the time to really consider forced abortion for those that have babies without any thought for what it may bring"

"Simple answer chastity belts with lock and key.
But on a serious note children under 16 that fall pregnant should be made to abort especially if their parents are on benefits and the state have to look after the kid"

The above suggestions would actually cause the cost of government to rise. Take chastity belts: they would have to mass produce chastity belts (costs money), train people to decide which young girls are at risk (costs money and do you really think they would get it right?), create laws and regulations to confirm how the chastity belt is applied (costs money), build somewhere for all the keys to be stored (costs money) etc etc etc. Are we also going to have young girls followed around all day in case they try to visit a "backstreet chastity belt remover". And to top it off, we would need Ministries, politicians and civil servants to oversee the whole thing (cost, cost, cost) .

The truth is GOVERNMENT caused this problem by giving young girls incentives to get pregnant (welfare and housing). Let's get government to amend the planning laws so it's easier to build/convert homes and then get them to hand welfare and housing over to those who can do it better. You don't solve the problems of government with more government!
"This may upset some, But now is the time to really consider forced abortion for those that have babies without any thought for what it may bring" "Simple answer chastity belts with lock and key. But on a serious note children under 16 that fall pregnant should be made to abort especially if their parents are on benefits and the state have to look after the kid" The above suggestions would actually cause the cost of government to rise. Take chastity belts: they would have to mass produce chastity belts (costs money), train people to decide which young girls are at risk (costs money and do you really think they would get it right?), create laws and regulations to confirm how the chastity belt is applied (costs money), build somewhere for all the keys to be stored (costs money) etc etc etc. Are we also going to have young girls followed around all day in case they try to visit a "backstreet chastity belt remover". And to top it off, we would need Ministries, politicians and civil servants to oversee the whole thing (cost, cost, cost) . The truth is GOVERNMENT caused this problem by giving young girls incentives to get pregnant (welfare and housing). Let's get government to amend the planning laws so it's easier to build/convert homes and then get them to hand welfare and housing over to those who can do it better. You don't solve the problems of government with more government! FreeCity
  • Score: -3

9:17pm Sat 26 Apr 14

MerryJess says...

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. MerryJess
  • Score: -2

9:27pm Sat 26 Apr 14

MerryJess says...

I am so depressed reading these comments. honestly, 'forced abortions' Who thumbed this up and are you sick? 'chastity belts' Is this progressive modern thinking towards solving single parenthood? Some of you are such nasty opinionated adults, and I m a heavy burdened tax payer myself, and I do not support this kind of malice towards single parents. I'm actually ashamed i live amongst so many who do.
I am so depressed reading these comments. honestly, 'forced abortions' Who thumbed this up and are you sick? 'chastity belts' Is this progressive modern thinking towards solving single parenthood? Some of you are such nasty opinionated adults, and I m a heavy burdened tax payer myself, and I do not support this kind of malice towards single parents. I'm actually ashamed i live amongst so many who do. MerryJess
  • Score: 4

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