Divers admit taking £250,000 of artefacts from shipwrecks

Daily Echo: A canon which was illegally taken from a shipwreck A canon which was illegally taken from a shipwreck

TWO divers have pleaded guilty to taking items thought to be worth more than £250,000 from shipwrecks off the UK coast.

David Knight, 52, and Edward Huzzey, 55, both from Sandgate, admitted to 19 offences between them for removing items including bronze cannons, propellers, and rare artefacts from wrecks between 2001 and 2006.

Daily Echo: David Knight

The offences relate to sections 236 and 237 of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995.

They entered their pleas at Southampton Magistrates' Court this morning.

The items were first removed from shipwrecks of the Kent coast in 2001.

German submarines from the First World War and an unknown 200-year-old wreck carrying English East India Company cargo were targeted by the pair.

The Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) said it is aware from diary entries that Knight and Huzzey used explosives and sophisticated cutting equipment to free wreck material.

Simon May, enforcement officer for the MCA, said outside court the agency is appealing for other missing artefacts to be returned.

He said: “The cannons are worth an estimated £12,000 minimum. There are still six outstanding.

“These are unique, they are incredibly rare.

“Collectors will be after cannons like these. There are none in the UK.

“They were special order from the English East Indian Company and were due to go to the Madras Calvary, which was founded in 1819.

“We know of at least 50 vessels that they targeted.”

Alison Kentuck, the MCA's receiver of wreck, said: “Our message is clear: all wreck material found within or brought within UK territorial waters must be reported to the Receiver of Wreck. It is not a case of 'finders keepers'.

Daily Echo: Edward Huzzey

“Finders of wreck have 28 days to declare their finds to the receiver. This case highlights the importance of doing that and demonstrates what could happen to you if you don't.

“By reporting wreck material you are giving the rightful owner the opportunity to have their property returned and you may be adding important information to the historic record.

“Legitimate finders are likely to be entitled to a salvage award, but those who don't declare items are breaking the law and could find themselves facing hefty fines.”

English Heritage has provided advice on handling cultural objects, assessed the importance of objects seized as evidence and provided expert advice in relation to uncontrolled salvage on submerged archaeological remains.

Mark Harrison, English Heritage's national policing and crime adviser, said: "We recognise that the majority of divers enjoy the historic marine environment and comply with the laws and regulations relating to wrecks and salvage.

“This case sends out a clear message that the small criminal minority will be identified and brought to justice."

Mark Dunkley, English Heritage's maritime designation adviser, said: "The investigation has highlighted the need to tackle heritage crime, wherever it occurs, so that the remains of our past remain part of our future."

The pair will be sentenced on July 2.

The MCA would also like to appeal to the public regarding the whereabouts of six bronze cannons that remain outstanding.

They were constructed in 1807 by W&G and have the English East India Company logo (VEIC) on them.

If anyone knows the location of any of these cannons, please contact the Receiver of Wreck on 02380 329 474.

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1:27pm Thu 15 May 14

rudolph_hucker says...

plumbing the depths
plumbing the depths rudolph_hucker
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1:59pm Thu 15 May 14

southy says...

rudolph_hucker wrote:
plumbing the depths
The offences relate to sections 236 and 237 of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995.
paste and copy
Summary of Offences under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995 (Part IX, Chapters 1-2)
s.236 - Failing to declare a wreck find without a reasonable excuse
s.237 - Concealing or keeping possession of wreck or cargo and refusing to surrender it
s.245 - Taking undeclared wreck from UK waters into a foreign port and selling it.
s.246 - (1) Boarding a vessel in distress without permission of master and (3) impeding or hindering attempts to save a vessel, concealing any wreck, defacing or obliterating any mark, and wrongfully carrying away or removing any wreck

Are only for Insurers Interest only unlikely that the insurance people will organise a recovery of the wreck they let others do the work and the cost, only for them to take it away from the finders, these are laws that the insurance company's wanted, they are designed so the insurance gain with out any cost.
[quote][p][bold]rudolph_hucker[/bold] wrote: plumbing the depths[/p][/quote]The offences relate to sections 236 and 237 of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995. paste and copy Summary of Offences under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995 (Part IX, Chapters 1-2) s.236 - Failing to declare a wreck find without a reasonable excuse s.237 - Concealing or keeping possession of wreck or cargo and refusing to surrender it s.245 - Taking undeclared wreck from UK waters into a foreign port and selling it. s.246 - (1) Boarding a vessel in distress without permission of master and (3) impeding or hindering attempts to save a vessel, concealing any wreck, defacing or obliterating any mark, and wrongfully carrying away or removing any wreck Are only for Insurers Interest only unlikely that the insurance people will organise a recovery of the wreck they let others do the work and the cost, only for them to take it away from the finders, these are laws that the insurance company's wanted, they are designed so the insurance gain with out any cost. southy
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3:26pm Thu 15 May 14

mike coll says...

southy wrote:
rudolph_hucker wrote:
plumbing the depths
The offences relate to sections 236 and 237 of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995.
paste and copy
Summary of Offences under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995 (Part IX, Chapters 1-2)
s.236 - Failing to declare a wreck find without a reasonable excuse
s.237 - Concealing or keeping possession of wreck or cargo and refusing to surrender it
s.245 - Taking undeclared wreck from UK waters into a foreign port and selling it.
s.246 - (1) Boarding a vessel in distress without permission of master and (3) impeding or hindering attempts to save a vessel, concealing any wreck, defacing or obliterating any mark, and wrongfully carrying away or removing any wreck

Are only for Insurers Interest only unlikely that the insurance people will organise a recovery of the wreck they let others do the work and the cost, only for them to take it away from the finders, these are laws that the insurance company's wanted, they are designed so the insurance gain with out any cost.
May I say that these rules are there to protect items for the nation, not just some robbers.
They used cutting equipment to enter or remove items, how do you know these are not graves? and I wounder were they ex pros? underwater cutting equipment is not for the hobbyist.
I have dived on wreaks, and have my share of loot, and I plan to dive in the USA next year, But these folks were not doing this for the fun, they were doing this for the dosh, what is the difference between entering and robbing an old wreak or entering and robbing a cottage sealed since 1930?
these items were not there's to take. and I dont doubt they knew they should declare their finds.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rudolph_hucker[/bold] wrote: plumbing the depths[/p][/quote]The offences relate to sections 236 and 237 of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995. paste and copy Summary of Offences under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995 (Part IX, Chapters 1-2) s.236 - Failing to declare a wreck find without a reasonable excuse s.237 - Concealing or keeping possession of wreck or cargo and refusing to surrender it s.245 - Taking undeclared wreck from UK waters into a foreign port and selling it. s.246 - (1) Boarding a vessel in distress without permission of master and (3) impeding or hindering attempts to save a vessel, concealing any wreck, defacing or obliterating any mark, and wrongfully carrying away or removing any wreck Are only for Insurers Interest only unlikely that the insurance people will organise a recovery of the wreck they let others do the work and the cost, only for them to take it away from the finders, these are laws that the insurance company's wanted, they are designed so the insurance gain with out any cost.[/p][/quote]May I say that these rules are there to protect items for the nation, not just some robbers. They used cutting equipment to enter or remove items, how do you know these are not graves? and I wounder were they ex pros? underwater cutting equipment is not for the hobbyist. I have dived on wreaks, and have my share of loot, and I plan to dive in the USA next year, But these folks were not doing this for the fun, they were doing this for the dosh, what is the difference between entering and robbing an old wreak or entering and robbing a cottage sealed since 1930? these items were not there's to take. and I dont doubt they knew they should declare their finds. mike coll
  • Score: -1

3:57pm Thu 15 May 14

rudolph_hucker says...

mike coll wrote:
southy wrote:
rudolph_hucker wrote: plumbing the depths
The offences relate to sections 236 and 237 of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995. paste and copy Summary of Offences under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995 (Part IX, Chapters 1-2) s.236 - Failing to declare a wreck find without a reasonable excuse s.237 - Concealing or keeping possession of wreck or cargo and refusing to surrender it s.245 - Taking undeclared wreck from UK waters into a foreign port and selling it. s.246 - (1) Boarding a vessel in distress without permission of master and (3) impeding or hindering attempts to save a vessel, concealing any wreck, defacing or obliterating any mark, and wrongfully carrying away or removing any wreck Are only for Insurers Interest only unlikely that the insurance people will organise a recovery of the wreck they let others do the work and the cost, only for them to take it away from the finders, these are laws that the insurance company's wanted, they are designed so the insurance gain with out any cost.
May I say that these rules are there to protect items for the nation, not just some robbers. They used cutting equipment to enter or remove items, how do you know these are not graves? and I wounder were they ex pros? underwater cutting equipment is not for the hobbyist. I have dived on wreaks, and have my share of loot, and I plan to dive in the USA next year, But these folks were not doing this for the fun, they were doing this for the dosh, what is the difference between entering and robbing an old wreak or entering and robbing a cottage sealed since 1930? these items were not there's to take. and I dont doubt they knew they should declare their finds.
WRECKS not WREAKS
Have you've been diving on something you can't spell?
[quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rudolph_hucker[/bold] wrote: plumbing the depths[/p][/quote]The offences relate to sections 236 and 237 of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995. paste and copy Summary of Offences under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995 (Part IX, Chapters 1-2) s.236 - Failing to declare a wreck find without a reasonable excuse s.237 - Concealing or keeping possession of wreck or cargo and refusing to surrender it s.245 - Taking undeclared wreck from UK waters into a foreign port and selling it. s.246 - (1) Boarding a vessel in distress without permission of master and (3) impeding or hindering attempts to save a vessel, concealing any wreck, defacing or obliterating any mark, and wrongfully carrying away or removing any wreck Are only for Insurers Interest only unlikely that the insurance people will organise a recovery of the wreck they let others do the work and the cost, only for them to take it away from the finders, these are laws that the insurance company's wanted, they are designed so the insurance gain with out any cost.[/p][/quote]May I say that these rules are there to protect items for the nation, not just some robbers. They used cutting equipment to enter or remove items, how do you know these are not graves? and I wounder were they ex pros? underwater cutting equipment is not for the hobbyist. I have dived on wreaks, and have my share of loot, and I plan to dive in the USA next year, But these folks were not doing this for the fun, they were doing this for the dosh, what is the difference between entering and robbing an old wreak or entering and robbing a cottage sealed since 1930? these items were not there's to take. and I dont doubt they knew they should declare their finds.[/p][/quote]WRECKS not WREAKS Have you've been diving on something you can't spell? rudolph_hucker
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6:27pm Thu 15 May 14

mike coll says...

rudolph_hucker wrote:
mike coll wrote:
southy wrote:
rudolph_hucker wrote: plumbing the depths
The offences relate to sections 236 and 237 of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995. paste and copy Summary of Offences under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995 (Part IX, Chapters 1-2) s.236 - Failing to declare a wreck find without a reasonable excuse s.237 - Concealing or keeping possession of wreck or cargo and refusing to surrender it s.245 - Taking undeclared wreck from UK waters into a foreign port and selling it. s.246 - (1) Boarding a vessel in distress without permission of master and (3) impeding or hindering attempts to save a vessel, concealing any wreck, defacing or obliterating any mark, and wrongfully carrying away or removing any wreck Are only for Insurers Interest only unlikely that the insurance people will organise a recovery of the wreck they let others do the work and the cost, only for them to take it away from the finders, these are laws that the insurance company's wanted, they are designed so the insurance gain with out any cost.
May I say that these rules are there to protect items for the nation, not just some robbers. They used cutting equipment to enter or remove items, how do you know these are not graves? and I wounder were they ex pros? underwater cutting equipment is not for the hobbyist. I have dived on wreaks, and have my share of loot, and I plan to dive in the USA next year, But these folks were not doing this for the fun, they were doing this for the dosh, what is the difference between entering and robbing an old wreak or entering and robbing a cottage sealed since 1930? these items were not there's to take. and I dont doubt they knew they should declare their finds.
WRECKS not WREAKS
Have you've been diving on something you can't spell?
No, spelling never my strong point BUT look at former Soton diving firms? I grew up around the diving industry, and not just a hobby firm out of a garage, a world beating, industry leading hampshire firm that made history, Anytime you wish to visit the diving museum in gosport and ask the staffs opinion of wreck !!!!!! robbers be my guest.
And if the only negative point of my post in your opinion was my spelling then perhaps, just perhaps you understand MY opinion of this matter.
[quote][p][bold]rudolph_hucker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rudolph_hucker[/bold] wrote: plumbing the depths[/p][/quote]The offences relate to sections 236 and 237 of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995. paste and copy Summary of Offences under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995 (Part IX, Chapters 1-2) s.236 - Failing to declare a wreck find without a reasonable excuse s.237 - Concealing or keeping possession of wreck or cargo and refusing to surrender it s.245 - Taking undeclared wreck from UK waters into a foreign port and selling it. s.246 - (1) Boarding a vessel in distress without permission of master and (3) impeding or hindering attempts to save a vessel, concealing any wreck, defacing or obliterating any mark, and wrongfully carrying away or removing any wreck Are only for Insurers Interest only unlikely that the insurance people will organise a recovery of the wreck they let others do the work and the cost, only for them to take it away from the finders, these are laws that the insurance company's wanted, they are designed so the insurance gain with out any cost.[/p][/quote]May I say that these rules are there to protect items for the nation, not just some robbers. They used cutting equipment to enter or remove items, how do you know these are not graves? and I wounder were they ex pros? underwater cutting equipment is not for the hobbyist. I have dived on wreaks, and have my share of loot, and I plan to dive in the USA next year, But these folks were not doing this for the fun, they were doing this for the dosh, what is the difference between entering and robbing an old wreak or entering and robbing a cottage sealed since 1930? these items were not there's to take. and I dont doubt they knew they should declare their finds.[/p][/quote]WRECKS not WREAKS Have you've been diving on something you can't spell?[/p][/quote]No, spelling never my strong point BUT look at former Soton diving firms? I grew up around the diving industry, and not just a hobby firm out of a garage, a world beating, industry leading hampshire firm that made history, Anytime you wish to visit the diving museum in gosport and ask the staffs opinion of wreck !!!!!! robbers be my guest. And if the only negative point of my post in your opinion was my spelling then perhaps, just perhaps you understand MY opinion of this matter. mike coll
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6:28pm Thu 15 May 14

southy says...

rudolph_hucker wrote:
mike coll wrote:
southy wrote:
rudolph_hucker wrote: plumbing the depths
The offences relate to sections 236 and 237 of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995. paste and copy Summary of Offences under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995 (Part IX, Chapters 1-2) s.236 - Failing to declare a wreck find without a reasonable excuse s.237 - Concealing or keeping possession of wreck or cargo and refusing to surrender it s.245 - Taking undeclared wreck from UK waters into a foreign port and selling it. s.246 - (1) Boarding a vessel in distress without permission of master and (3) impeding or hindering attempts to save a vessel, concealing any wreck, defacing or obliterating any mark, and wrongfully carrying away or removing any wreck Are only for Insurers Interest only unlikely that the insurance people will organise a recovery of the wreck they let others do the work and the cost, only for them to take it away from the finders, these are laws that the insurance company's wanted, they are designed so the insurance gain with out any cost.
May I say that these rules are there to protect items for the nation, not just some robbers. They used cutting equipment to enter or remove items, how do you know these are not graves? and I wounder were they ex pros? underwater cutting equipment is not for the hobbyist. I have dived on wreaks, and have my share of loot, and I plan to dive in the USA next year, But these folks were not doing this for the fun, they were doing this for the dosh, what is the difference between entering and robbing an old wreak or entering and robbing a cottage sealed since 1930? these items were not there's to take. and I dont doubt they knew they should declare their finds.
WRECKS not WREAKS
Have you've been diving on something you can't spell?
rudolph_hucker I not worried about spelling or grammar as long I know what he means.
But I disagree with this part from mike collier.
"May I say that these rules are there to protect items for the nation"
No these laws was not there to protect items for the nation, these laws are there to protect the Insurers interests not for the nation, who have no interest in recovery in the items or making secondary payments out to the finder.
The laws to protect items for the nation have been in-place for a lot longer than 1995
[quote][p][bold]rudolph_hucker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rudolph_hucker[/bold] wrote: plumbing the depths[/p][/quote]The offences relate to sections 236 and 237 of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995. paste and copy Summary of Offences under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995 (Part IX, Chapters 1-2) s.236 - Failing to declare a wreck find without a reasonable excuse s.237 - Concealing or keeping possession of wreck or cargo and refusing to surrender it s.245 - Taking undeclared wreck from UK waters into a foreign port and selling it. s.246 - (1) Boarding a vessel in distress without permission of master and (3) impeding or hindering attempts to save a vessel, concealing any wreck, defacing or obliterating any mark, and wrongfully carrying away or removing any wreck Are only for Insurers Interest only unlikely that the insurance people will organise a recovery of the wreck they let others do the work and the cost, only for them to take it away from the finders, these are laws that the insurance company's wanted, they are designed so the insurance gain with out any cost.[/p][/quote]May I say that these rules are there to protect items for the nation, not just some robbers. They used cutting equipment to enter or remove items, how do you know these are not graves? and I wounder were they ex pros? underwater cutting equipment is not for the hobbyist. I have dived on wreaks, and have my share of loot, and I plan to dive in the USA next year, But these folks were not doing this for the fun, they were doing this for the dosh, what is the difference between entering and robbing an old wreak or entering and robbing a cottage sealed since 1930? these items were not there's to take. and I dont doubt they knew they should declare their finds.[/p][/quote]WRECKS not WREAKS Have you've been diving on something you can't spell?[/p][/quote]rudolph_hucker I not worried about spelling or grammar as long I know what he means. But I disagree with this part from mike collier. "May I say that these rules are there to protect items for the nation" No these laws was not there to protect items for the nation, these laws are there to protect the Insurers interests not for the nation, who have no interest in recovery in the items or making secondary payments out to the finder. The laws to protect items for the nation have been in-place for a lot longer than 1995 southy
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6:34pm Thu 15 May 14

Georgethepie says...

mike coll wrote:
southy wrote:
rudolph_hucker wrote:
plumbing the depths
The offences relate to sections 236 and 237 of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995.
paste and copy
Summary of Offences under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995 (Part IX, Chapters 1-2)
s.236 - Failing to declare a wreck find without a reasonable excuse
s.237 - Concealing or keeping possession of wreck or cargo and refusing to surrender it
s.245 - Taking undeclared wreck from UK waters into a foreign port and selling it.
s.246 - (1) Boarding a vessel in distress without permission of master and (3) impeding or hindering attempts to save a vessel, concealing any wreck, defacing or obliterating any mark, and wrongfully carrying away or removing any wreck

Are only for Insurers Interest only unlikely that the insurance people will organise a recovery of the wreck they let others do the work and the cost, only for them to take it away from the finders, these are laws that the insurance company's wanted, they are designed so the insurance gain with out any cost.
May I say that these rules are there to protect items for the nation, not just some robbers.
They used cutting equipment to enter or remove items, how do you know these are not graves? and I wounder were they ex pros? underwater cutting equipment is not for the hobbyist.
I have dived on wreaks, and have my share of loot, and I plan to dive in the USA next year, But these folks were not doing this for the fun, they were doing this for the dosh, what is the difference between entering and robbing an old wreak or entering and robbing a cottage sealed since 1930?
these items were not there's to take. and I dont doubt they knew they should declare their finds.
Something for the nation? I would guess well over 90% of the nation would never see these items due to not being dive qualified. What a load of rubbish. If the powers of this country believe these items are so important why not recover them instead of leaving them to rot.
Answer to bloody lazy. Let's just see what sentence they get probably be more than robbing some little old lady after all them have robbed the treasury.
[quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rudolph_hucker[/bold] wrote: plumbing the depths[/p][/quote]The offences relate to sections 236 and 237 of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995. paste and copy Summary of Offences under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995 (Part IX, Chapters 1-2) s.236 - Failing to declare a wreck find without a reasonable excuse s.237 - Concealing or keeping possession of wreck or cargo and refusing to surrender it s.245 - Taking undeclared wreck from UK waters into a foreign port and selling it. s.246 - (1) Boarding a vessel in distress without permission of master and (3) impeding or hindering attempts to save a vessel, concealing any wreck, defacing or obliterating any mark, and wrongfully carrying away or removing any wreck Are only for Insurers Interest only unlikely that the insurance people will organise a recovery of the wreck they let others do the work and the cost, only for them to take it away from the finders, these are laws that the insurance company's wanted, they are designed so the insurance gain with out any cost.[/p][/quote]May I say that these rules are there to protect items for the nation, not just some robbers. They used cutting equipment to enter or remove items, how do you know these are not graves? and I wounder were they ex pros? underwater cutting equipment is not for the hobbyist. I have dived on wreaks, and have my share of loot, and I plan to dive in the USA next year, But these folks were not doing this for the fun, they were doing this for the dosh, what is the difference between entering and robbing an old wreak or entering and robbing a cottage sealed since 1930? these items were not there's to take. and I dont doubt they knew they should declare their finds.[/p][/quote]Something for the nation? I would guess well over 90% of the nation would never see these items due to not being dive qualified. What a load of rubbish. If the powers of this country believe these items are so important why not recover them instead of leaving them to rot. Answer to bloody lazy. Let's just see what sentence they get probably be more than robbing some little old lady after all them have robbed the treasury. Georgethepie
  • Score: 3

8:02pm Thu 15 May 14

thinklikealocal says...

Looking at the state of their faces I can hazard a guess at what they spent most of the booty on....
Looking at the state of their faces I can hazard a guess at what they spent most of the booty on.... thinklikealocal
  • Score: -3

10:10pm Thu 15 May 14

wwozzer says...

Who gives a toss? If the insurers wanted it to recoup a loss or the Nation wanted it for the sake of heritage go and bloody well get it, if you can't be arsed then what right has anyone got to whine when someone else does.
Who gives a toss? If the insurers wanted it to recoup a loss or the Nation wanted it for the sake of heritage go and bloody well get it, if you can't be arsed then what right has anyone got to whine when someone else does. wwozzer
  • Score: 4

1:27am Fri 16 May 14

Mary80 says...

wwozzer wrote:
Who gives a toss? If the insurers wanted it to recoup a loss or the Nation wanted it for the sake of heritage go and bloody well get it, if you can't be arsed then what right has anyone got to whine when someone else does.
The families of those who may have died give a toss its their grave in effect its crossing a line to scavenge
[quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: Who gives a toss? If the insurers wanted it to recoup a loss or the Nation wanted it for the sake of heritage go and bloody well get it, if you can't be arsed then what right has anyone got to whine when someone else does.[/p][/quote]The families of those who may have died give a toss its their grave in effect its crossing a line to scavenge Mary80
  • Score: -3

7:23am Fri 16 May 14

wwozzer says...

Mary80 wrote:
wwozzer wrote:
Who gives a toss? If the insurers wanted it to recoup a loss or the Nation wanted it for the sake of heritage go and bloody well get it, if you can't be arsed then what right has anyone got to whine when someone else does.
The families of those who may have died give a toss its their grave in effect its crossing a line to scavenge
That would be the case if the wrecks were recent or at least in the last 50 years but these wrecks are hundreds of years old.
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: Who gives a toss? If the insurers wanted it to recoup a loss or the Nation wanted it for the sake of heritage go and bloody well get it, if you can't be arsed then what right has anyone got to whine when someone else does.[/p][/quote]The families of those who may have died give a toss its their grave in effect its crossing a line to scavenge[/p][/quote]That would be the case if the wrecks were recent or at least in the last 50 years but these wrecks are hundreds of years old. wwozzer
  • Score: 5

8:27am Sat 17 May 14

cornishkev says...

mike coll wrote:
southy wrote:
rudolph_hucker wrote:
plumbing the depths
The offences relate to sections 236 and 237 of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995.
paste and copy
Summary of Offences under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995 (Part IX, Chapters 1-2)
s.236 - Failing to declare a wreck find without a reasonable excuse
s.237 - Concealing or keeping possession of wreck or cargo and refusing to surrender it
s.245 - Taking undeclared wreck from UK waters into a foreign port and selling it.
s.246 - (1) Boarding a vessel in distress without permission of master and (3) impeding or hindering attempts to save a vessel, concealing any wreck, defacing or obliterating any mark, and wrongfully carrying away or removing any wreck

Are only for Insurers Interest only unlikely that the insurance people will organise a recovery of the wreck they let others do the work and the cost, only for them to take it away from the finders, these are laws that the insurance company's wanted, they are designed so the insurance gain with out any cost.
May I say that these rules are there to protect items for the nation, not just some robbers.
They used cutting equipment to enter or remove items, how do you know these are not graves? and I wounder were they ex pros? underwater cutting equipment is not for the hobbyist.
I have dived on wreaks, and have my share of loot, and I plan to dive in the USA next year, But these folks were not doing this for the fun, they were doing this for the dosh, what is the difference between entering and robbing an old wreak or entering and robbing a cottage sealed since 1930?
these items were not there's to take. and I dont doubt they knew they should declare their finds.
Is it just me or are you two boring.
[quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rudolph_hucker[/bold] wrote: plumbing the depths[/p][/quote]The offences relate to sections 236 and 237 of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995. paste and copy Summary of Offences under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995 (Part IX, Chapters 1-2) s.236 - Failing to declare a wreck find without a reasonable excuse s.237 - Concealing or keeping possession of wreck or cargo and refusing to surrender it s.245 - Taking undeclared wreck from UK waters into a foreign port and selling it. s.246 - (1) Boarding a vessel in distress without permission of master and (3) impeding or hindering attempts to save a vessel, concealing any wreck, defacing or obliterating any mark, and wrongfully carrying away or removing any wreck Are only for Insurers Interest only unlikely that the insurance people will organise a recovery of the wreck they let others do the work and the cost, only for them to take it away from the finders, these are laws that the insurance company's wanted, they are designed so the insurance gain with out any cost.[/p][/quote]May I say that these rules are there to protect items for the nation, not just some robbers. They used cutting equipment to enter or remove items, how do you know these are not graves? and I wounder were they ex pros? underwater cutting equipment is not for the hobbyist. I have dived on wreaks, and have my share of loot, and I plan to dive in the USA next year, But these folks were not doing this for the fun, they were doing this for the dosh, what is the difference between entering and robbing an old wreak or entering and robbing a cottage sealed since 1930? these items were not there's to take. and I dont doubt they knew they should declare their finds.[/p][/quote]Is it just me or are you two boring. cornishkev
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12:56pm Sat 17 May 14

cornishkev says...

what a dreadful suit.
what a dreadful suit. cornishkev
  • Score: 1

2:58pm Sat 17 May 14

southy says...

Just you corniskev
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