New industrial complex on edge of Southampton could create 750 jobs

The site in Test Lane

The site in Test Lane

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HUNDREDS of jobs could be created as part of a huge new industrial development on the edge of Southampton, the Daily Echo can reveal.

A developer has lodged plans that it claims would create at least 750 jobs in its construction and operation.

The 21,371 square metre warehouse and office complex is earmarked for a site on Test Lane next to the Daily Echo’s offices and print works.

The developer has also pledged to create a public park.

However nearby residents fear that new development would lead to an increase in traffic and loss of green space.

Local councillors have moved to reassure people living in the area that their concerns will be listened to.

Developer Evander Properties Ltd, which specialises in logistics and industrial units, chose the site because of its location near the busy Port of Southampton and easy access to the M271.

It was tight-lipped about details of the plan, which has yet to be lodged with Southampton City Council.

However a pre-planning document seen by the Daily Echo reveals that the units would be 45ft tall and there would be parking spaces for 305 cars, and a service yard. A noise buffer zone and screening measures are being planned to curb noise for neighbouring properties.

The 16-acre plot was previously a gravel extraction site before being filled in with construction waste.

Cllr Lee Whitbread said he hoped that the developer would engage with him and fellow Millbrook councillors Andy Pope and Cathy McEwing.

He said: “As a member of the Labour administration I’m supportive of additional initiatives that enhance and boost the local economy, however as a ward councillor I would expect the developer to fully engage with myself, Cllr McEwing, and Cllr Pope on their proposals and to listen to any concerns that may arise from us, or on the part of local residents.

“I would point out that Southampton City Council is fully committed to maintaining a buffer zone between the residential dwellings in Gover Road and the proposed development and I’m working with council staff to organise a briefing for the residents’ association.”

People living in Gover Road told the Daily Echo of their concerns over the plans.

Kay Perkins said: “We have so much traffic down here.

“They have now stopped us walking dogs around there. It’s a lovely field for walking dogs. It’s a good place. Traffic is the biggest issue. It’s disappointing.”

David Palmer said: “This road is getting busier all the time. The traffic is going to be horrendous. It’s terrible to lose the space. I would rather see houses built there.”

However Stanley Hall, 92, said: “I have been here 30 years and it was very busy from people coming from the businesses around here but it doesn’t bother me.

“I don’t drive any more, and 750 jobs is a good thing.”

More details of the plan are set to be unveiled at two public exhibitions this week where a team from Evander Properties will be on hand to answer residents' questions.

They are at Coxford Community Centre, Olive Road, tomorrow from 2pm to 5pm and at Redbridge Community School, Cuckmere Lane, on Wednesday from 5pm to 8.30pm.

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11:22am Mon 9 Jun 14

southy says...

This land will have its problems, I can go back before the motorway was built, This land use to be part of Test Playing Fields and a Piggery before the motorway was there. Nearing the end of building the bottom half of the M271 they extracted the most of the Gravel and the hole that was left was filled in with also sorts of rubbish much of it will produce gases that are not healthy to human life and is why there is 2 vents in the ground, there was no membrane put over the rubbish to control the leaking gasses it was just top over with what ever sub-soil they could find and then left 2 vents was put in, the Original idea was to build Council homes on that land, but that was stop as soon as they realise there would be a biogas problem and the land was left, Farmer and Horse owner have used the land (believe it was Mrs Little that graze animals on the land) removed after problems with the animals.
This land will have its problems, I can go back before the motorway was built, This land use to be part of Test Playing Fields and a Piggery before the motorway was there. Nearing the end of building the bottom half of the M271 they extracted the most of the Gravel and the hole that was left was filled in with also sorts of rubbish much of it will produce gases that are not healthy to human life and is why there is 2 vents in the ground, there was no membrane put over the rubbish to control the leaking gasses it was just top over with what ever sub-soil they could find and then left 2 vents was put in, the Original idea was to build Council homes on that land, but that was stop as soon as they realise there would be a biogas problem and the land was left, Farmer and Horse owner have used the land (believe it was Mrs Little that graze animals on the land) removed after problems with the animals. southy
  • Score: -4

11:36am Mon 9 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

southy wrote:
This land will have its problems, I can go back before the motorway was built, This land use to be part of Test Playing Fields and a Piggery before the motorway was there. Nearing the end of building the bottom half of the M271 they extracted the most of the Gravel and the hole that was left was filled in with also sorts of rubbish much of it will produce gases that are not healthy to human life and is why there is 2 vents in the ground, there was no membrane put over the rubbish to control the leaking gasses it was just top over with what ever sub-soil they could find and then left 2 vents was put in, the Original idea was to build Council homes on that land, but that was stop as soon as they realise there would be a biogas problem and the land was left, Farmer and Horse owner have used the land (believe it was Mrs Little that graze animals on the land) removed after problems with the animals.
I am sure that with modern building techniques your highlighted peoblems would soon be overcome. The Daily Echo building never had an issue
.
As i understand it the regulations for Industrial building are less than for residential.
.
With the prospect of 750 jobs (perhaps) lets get it built as the place has stood empty far too long
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: This land will have its problems, I can go back before the motorway was built, This land use to be part of Test Playing Fields and a Piggery before the motorway was there. Nearing the end of building the bottom half of the M271 they extracted the most of the Gravel and the hole that was left was filled in with also sorts of rubbish much of it will produce gases that are not healthy to human life and is why there is 2 vents in the ground, there was no membrane put over the rubbish to control the leaking gasses it was just top over with what ever sub-soil they could find and then left 2 vents was put in, the Original idea was to build Council homes on that land, but that was stop as soon as they realise there would be a biogas problem and the land was left, Farmer and Horse owner have used the land (believe it was Mrs Little that graze animals on the land) removed after problems with the animals.[/p][/quote]I am sure that with modern building techniques your highlighted peoblems would soon be overcome. The Daily Echo building never had an issue . As i understand it the regulations for Industrial building are less than for residential. . With the prospect of 750 jobs (perhaps) lets get it built as the place has stood empty far too long Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 4

11:36am Mon 9 Jun 14

southy says...

1/ My personal advice would be to keep it as it is, because of the problem of Biogas, leave it to nature to do its job because it is to soon to do any thing with this land and I can not see any developer wanting to dig the hole out again to remove all the rubbish that filled the hole it would cost to much and cut into a profit that they will make.

2/ As this land is in the bottom end of the Redbridge ward, why have they gone to Coxford ward to have a meeting, would it not of been better to use one of the churches halls or the building on Mansel park or one of the function rooms in the 4 pubs that are left in Redbridge. taking it to Coxford is telling me who ever arrange these meetings do not want the locals really to attend.
1/ My personal advice would be to keep it as it is, because of the problem of Biogas, leave it to nature to do its job because it is to soon to do any thing with this land and I can not see any developer wanting to dig the hole out again to remove all the rubbish that filled the hole it would cost to much and cut into a profit that they will make. 2/ As this land is in the bottom end of the Redbridge ward, why have they gone to Coxford ward to have a meeting, would it not of been better to use one of the churches halls or the building on Mansel park or one of the function rooms in the 4 pubs that are left in Redbridge. taking it to Coxford is telling me who ever arrange these meetings do not want the locals really to attend. southy
  • Score: -4

11:46am Mon 9 Jun 14

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
southy wrote:
This land will have its problems, I can go back before the motorway was built, This land use to be part of Test Playing Fields and a Piggery before the motorway was there. Nearing the end of building the bottom half of the M271 they extracted the most of the Gravel and the hole that was left was filled in with also sorts of rubbish much of it will produce gases that are not healthy to human life and is why there is 2 vents in the ground, there was no membrane put over the rubbish to control the leaking gasses it was just top over with what ever sub-soil they could find and then left 2 vents was put in, the Original idea was to build Council homes on that land, but that was stop as soon as they realise there would be a biogas problem and the land was left, Farmer and Horse owner have used the land (believe it was Mrs Little that graze animals on the land) removed after problems with the animals.
I am sure that with modern building techniques your highlighted peoblems would soon be overcome. The Daily Echo building never had an issue
.
As i understand it the regulations for Industrial building are less than for residential.
.
With the prospect of 750 jobs (perhaps) lets get it built as the place has stood empty far too long
I agree with the jobs Lone but not at the expense of people health, I also agree on homes as they are needed, but again not at the expense of people health.
Yes the regulation for industrial is less than for domestic, the Echo office was built the other side of the old road there is also a tree barrier between them that was planted where the old road use to be.
If you walk across that land you can some time smell the biogas not enough to ignite (at lest I don't think so never tired to see it it would ignite) but its enough to cause ill health over long term exposure
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: This land will have its problems, I can go back before the motorway was built, This land use to be part of Test Playing Fields and a Piggery before the motorway was there. Nearing the end of building the bottom half of the M271 they extracted the most of the Gravel and the hole that was left was filled in with also sorts of rubbish much of it will produce gases that are not healthy to human life and is why there is 2 vents in the ground, there was no membrane put over the rubbish to control the leaking gasses it was just top over with what ever sub-soil they could find and then left 2 vents was put in, the Original idea was to build Council homes on that land, but that was stop as soon as they realise there would be a biogas problem and the land was left, Farmer and Horse owner have used the land (believe it was Mrs Little that graze animals on the land) removed after problems with the animals.[/p][/quote]I am sure that with modern building techniques your highlighted peoblems would soon be overcome. The Daily Echo building never had an issue . As i understand it the regulations for Industrial building are less than for residential. . With the prospect of 750 jobs (perhaps) lets get it built as the place has stood empty far too long[/p][/quote]I agree with the jobs Lone but not at the expense of people health, I also agree on homes as they are needed, but again not at the expense of people health. Yes the regulation for industrial is less than for domestic, the Echo office was built the other side of the old road there is also a tree barrier between them that was planted where the old road use to be. If you walk across that land you can some time smell the biogas not enough to ignite (at lest I don't think so never tired to see it it would ignite) but its enough to cause ill health over long term exposure southy
  • Score: -3

1:04pm Mon 9 Jun 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
southy wrote:
This land will have its problems, I can go back before the motorway was built, This land use to be part of Test Playing Fields and a Piggery before the motorway was there. Nearing the end of building the bottom half of the M271 they extracted the most of the Gravel and the hole that was left was filled in with also sorts of rubbish much of it will produce gases that are not healthy to human life and is why there is 2 vents in the ground, there was no membrane put over the rubbish to control the leaking gasses it was just top over with what ever sub-soil they could find and then left 2 vents was put in, the Original idea was to build Council homes on that land, but that was stop as soon as they realise there would be a biogas problem and the land was left, Farmer and Horse owner have used the land (believe it was Mrs Little that graze animals on the land) removed after problems with the animals.
I am sure that with modern building techniques your highlighted peoblems would soon be overcome. The Daily Echo building never had an issue
.
As i understand it the regulations for Industrial building are less than for residential.
.
With the prospect of 750 jobs (perhaps) lets get it built as the place has stood empty far too long
I agree with the jobs Lone but not at the expense of people health, I also agree on homes as they are needed, but again not at the expense of people health.
Yes the regulation for industrial is less than for domestic, the Echo office was built the other side of the old road there is also a tree barrier between them that was planted where the old road use to be.
If you walk across that land you can some time smell the biogas not enough to ignite (at lest I don't think so never tired to see it it would ignite) but its enough to cause ill health over long term exposure
Southy, building regulations do not allow for the construction of premises which are unsafe. The landfill issue is a known problem and will be dealt with appropriately. This is a genuine good news story and we should all be celebrating the fact that it could bring a substantial number of new jobs to the city. Let's get behind it.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: This land will have its problems, I can go back before the motorway was built, This land use to be part of Test Playing Fields and a Piggery before the motorway was there. Nearing the end of building the bottom half of the M271 they extracted the most of the Gravel and the hole that was left was filled in with also sorts of rubbish much of it will produce gases that are not healthy to human life and is why there is 2 vents in the ground, there was no membrane put over the rubbish to control the leaking gasses it was just top over with what ever sub-soil they could find and then left 2 vents was put in, the Original idea was to build Council homes on that land, but that was stop as soon as they realise there would be a biogas problem and the land was left, Farmer and Horse owner have used the land (believe it was Mrs Little that graze animals on the land) removed after problems with the animals.[/p][/quote]I am sure that with modern building techniques your highlighted peoblems would soon be overcome. The Daily Echo building never had an issue . As i understand it the regulations for Industrial building are less than for residential. . With the prospect of 750 jobs (perhaps) lets get it built as the place has stood empty far too long[/p][/quote]I agree with the jobs Lone but not at the expense of people health, I also agree on homes as they are needed, but again not at the expense of people health. Yes the regulation for industrial is less than for domestic, the Echo office was built the other side of the old road there is also a tree barrier between them that was planted where the old road use to be. If you walk across that land you can some time smell the biogas not enough to ignite (at lest I don't think so never tired to see it it would ignite) but its enough to cause ill health over long term exposure[/p][/quote]Southy, building regulations do not allow for the construction of premises which are unsafe. The landfill issue is a known problem and will be dealt with appropriately. This is a genuine good news story and we should all be celebrating the fact that it could bring a substantial number of new jobs to the city. Let's get behind it. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 0

1:17pm Mon 9 Jun 14

southy says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
southy wrote:
This land will have its problems, I can go back before the motorway was built, This land use to be part of Test Playing Fields and a Piggery before the motorway was there. Nearing the end of building the bottom half of the M271 they extracted the most of the Gravel and the hole that was left was filled in with also sorts of rubbish much of it will produce gases that are not healthy to human life and is why there is 2 vents in the ground, there was no membrane put over the rubbish to control the leaking gasses it was just top over with what ever sub-soil they could find and then left 2 vents was put in, the Original idea was to build Council homes on that land, but that was stop as soon as they realise there would be a biogas problem and the land was left, Farmer and Horse owner have used the land (believe it was Mrs Little that graze animals on the land) removed after problems with the animals.
I am sure that with modern building techniques your highlighted peoblems would soon be overcome. The Daily Echo building never had an issue
.
As i understand it the regulations for Industrial building are less than for residential.
.
With the prospect of 750 jobs (perhaps) lets get it built as the place has stood empty far too long
I agree with the jobs Lone but not at the expense of people health, I also agree on homes as they are needed, but again not at the expense of people health.
Yes the regulation for industrial is less than for domestic, the Echo office was built the other side of the old road there is also a tree barrier between them that was planted where the old road use to be.
If you walk across that land you can some time smell the biogas not enough to ignite (at lest I don't think so never tired to see it it would ignite) but its enough to cause ill health over long term exposure
Southy, building regulations do not allow for the construction of premises which are unsafe. The landfill issue is a known problem and will be dealt with appropriately. This is a genuine good news story and we should all be celebrating the fact that it could bring a substantial number of new jobs to the city. Let's get behind it.
Like putting a concrete raft across the ground, it don't work it just pushes the gas out in another direction, I know this land very well I have walk it a number of times, I will not back some thing that will damage people health, it could end up costing the tax payers and/or Company's a lot of money in the future.
Land fills that have been filled with rubbish are not built on not with out a membrane and a gas pump extractor in place.
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: This land will have its problems, I can go back before the motorway was built, This land use to be part of Test Playing Fields and a Piggery before the motorway was there. Nearing the end of building the bottom half of the M271 they extracted the most of the Gravel and the hole that was left was filled in with also sorts of rubbish much of it will produce gases that are not healthy to human life and is why there is 2 vents in the ground, there was no membrane put over the rubbish to control the leaking gasses it was just top over with what ever sub-soil they could find and then left 2 vents was put in, the Original idea was to build Council homes on that land, but that was stop as soon as they realise there would be a biogas problem and the land was left, Farmer and Horse owner have used the land (believe it was Mrs Little that graze animals on the land) removed after problems with the animals.[/p][/quote]I am sure that with modern building techniques your highlighted peoblems would soon be overcome. The Daily Echo building never had an issue . As i understand it the regulations for Industrial building are less than for residential. . With the prospect of 750 jobs (perhaps) lets get it built as the place has stood empty far too long[/p][/quote]I agree with the jobs Lone but not at the expense of people health, I also agree on homes as they are needed, but again not at the expense of people health. Yes the regulation for industrial is less than for domestic, the Echo office was built the other side of the old road there is also a tree barrier between them that was planted where the old road use to be. If you walk across that land you can some time smell the biogas not enough to ignite (at lest I don't think so never tired to see it it would ignite) but its enough to cause ill health over long term exposure[/p][/quote]Southy, building regulations do not allow for the construction of premises which are unsafe. The landfill issue is a known problem and will be dealt with appropriately. This is a genuine good news story and we should all be celebrating the fact that it could bring a substantial number of new jobs to the city. Let's get behind it.[/p][/quote]Like putting a concrete raft across the ground, it don't work it just pushes the gas out in another direction, I know this land very well I have walk it a number of times, I will not back some thing that will damage people health, it could end up costing the tax payers and/or Company's a lot of money in the future. Land fills that have been filled with rubbish are not built on not with out a membrane and a gas pump extractor in place. southy
  • Score: -3

1:38pm Mon 9 Jun 14

newsknight says...

There are empty industrial units all over the county including in School Lane Industrial Estate, Chandlers Ford the huge 'Alpha Park' (ex-APW) which the Police Commissioner would happily sell as taxpayers money bought it over priced thanks to Ms Rayment & Co - wined and dined by the Yanks. We don't need more industrial estates - fill what's already available space ready to use!!
There are empty industrial units all over the county including in School Lane Industrial Estate, Chandlers Ford the huge 'Alpha Park' (ex-APW) which the Police Commissioner would happily sell as taxpayers money bought it over priced thanks to Ms Rayment & Co - wined and dined by the Yanks. We don't need more industrial estates - fill what's already available space ready to use!! newsknight
  • Score: 0

1:49pm Mon 9 Jun 14

motorizer says...

newsknight wrote:
There are empty industrial units all over the county including in School Lane Industrial Estate, Chandlers Ford the huge 'Alpha Park' (ex-APW) which the Police Commissioner would happily sell as taxpayers money bought it over priced thanks to Ms Rayment & Co - wined and dined by the Yanks. We don't need more industrial estates - fill what's already available space ready to use!!
quite right........

why pour further misery on our overstrectched infrastructure when so many buildings stand empty.

Why can't these jobs be created where the infrastructure is already built?

Maybe the 750 jobs quoted, which always looks good on planning applications , apply to those who will be doing the building work (probably cheap imported subbys)

Test Lane and Gover Road is already a rat run for people avoiding the 271 at peak times and this will help to make it worse.

Once again no thought to how these developments will affect peoples lives and quite honestly the developers and politicians don't give a stuff how the lay man feels... it will happen and they will just move on.
[quote][p][bold]newsknight[/bold] wrote: There are empty industrial units all over the county including in School Lane Industrial Estate, Chandlers Ford the huge 'Alpha Park' (ex-APW) which the Police Commissioner would happily sell as taxpayers money bought it over priced thanks to Ms Rayment & Co - wined and dined by the Yanks. We don't need more industrial estates - fill what's already available space ready to use!![/p][/quote]quite right........ why pour further misery on our overstrectched infrastructure when so many buildings stand empty. Why can't these jobs be created where the infrastructure is already built? Maybe the 750 jobs quoted, which always looks good on planning applications , apply to those who will be doing the building work (probably cheap imported subbys) Test Lane and Gover Road is already a rat run for people avoiding the 271 at peak times and this will help to make it worse. Once again no thought to how these developments will affect peoples lives and quite honestly the developers and politicians don't give a stuff how the lay man feels... it will happen and they will just move on. motorizer
  • Score: 2

4:25pm Mon 9 Jun 14

southy says...

motorizer wrote:
newsknight wrote:
There are empty industrial units all over the county including in School Lane Industrial Estate, Chandlers Ford the huge 'Alpha Park' (ex-APW) which the Police Commissioner would happily sell as taxpayers money bought it over priced thanks to Ms Rayment & Co - wined and dined by the Yanks. We don't need more industrial estates - fill what's already available space ready to use!!
quite right........

why pour further misery on our overstrectched infrastructure when so many buildings stand empty.

Why can't these jobs be created where the infrastructure is already built?

Maybe the 750 jobs quoted, which always looks good on planning applications , apply to those who will be doing the building work (probably cheap imported subbys)

Test Lane and Gover Road is already a rat run for people avoiding the 271 at peak times and this will help to make it worse.

Once again no thought to how these developments will affect peoples lives and quite honestly the developers and politicians don't give a stuff how the lay man feels... it will happen and they will just move on.
There are also empty units along Redbridge and Millbrook road
[quote][p][bold]motorizer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newsknight[/bold] wrote: There are empty industrial units all over the county including in School Lane Industrial Estate, Chandlers Ford the huge 'Alpha Park' (ex-APW) which the Police Commissioner would happily sell as taxpayers money bought it over priced thanks to Ms Rayment & Co - wined and dined by the Yanks. We don't need more industrial estates - fill what's already available space ready to use!![/p][/quote]quite right........ why pour further misery on our overstrectched infrastructure when so many buildings stand empty. Why can't these jobs be created where the infrastructure is already built? Maybe the 750 jobs quoted, which always looks good on planning applications , apply to those who will be doing the building work (probably cheap imported subbys) Test Lane and Gover Road is already a rat run for people avoiding the 271 at peak times and this will help to make it worse. Once again no thought to how these developments will affect peoples lives and quite honestly the developers and politicians don't give a stuff how the lay man feels... it will happen and they will just move on.[/p][/quote]There are also empty units along Redbridge and Millbrook road southy
  • Score: -1

7:19pm Mon 9 Jun 14

mickey01 says...

lets do some fracking
lets do some fracking mickey01
  • Score: 1

10:39pm Mon 9 Jun 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

southy wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
southy wrote:
This land will have its problems, I can go back before the motorway was built, This land use to be part of Test Playing Fields and a Piggery before the motorway was there. Nearing the end of building the bottom half of the M271 they extracted the most of the Gravel and the hole that was left was filled in with also sorts of rubbish much of it will produce gases that are not healthy to human life and is why there is 2 vents in the ground, there was no membrane put over the rubbish to control the leaking gasses it was just top over with what ever sub-soil they could find and then left 2 vents was put in, the Original idea was to build Council homes on that land, but that was stop as soon as they realise there would be a biogas problem and the land was left, Farmer and Horse owner have used the land (believe it was Mrs Little that graze animals on the land) removed after problems with the animals.
I am sure that with modern building techniques your highlighted peoblems would soon be overcome. The Daily Echo building never had an issue
.
As i understand it the regulations for Industrial building are less than for residential.
.
With the prospect of 750 jobs (perhaps) lets get it built as the place has stood empty far too long
I agree with the jobs Lone but not at the expense of people health, I also agree on homes as they are needed, but again not at the expense of people health.
Yes the regulation for industrial is less than for domestic, the Echo office was built the other side of the old road there is also a tree barrier between them that was planted where the old road use to be.
If you walk across that land you can some time smell the biogas not enough to ignite (at lest I don't think so never tired to see it it would ignite) but its enough to cause ill health over long term exposure
Southy, building regulations do not allow for the construction of premises which are unsafe. The landfill issue is a known problem and will be dealt with appropriately. This is a genuine good news story and we should all be celebrating the fact that it could bring a substantial number of new jobs to the city. Let's get behind it.
Like putting a concrete raft across the ground, it don't work it just pushes the gas out in another direction, I know this land very well I have walk it a number of times, I will not back some thing that will damage people health, it could end up costing the tax payers and/or Company's a lot of money in the future.
Land fills that have been filled with rubbish are not built on not with out a membrane and a gas pump extractor in place.
Nor would I back something that will damage people's health. My point is that this land will need to be fully surveyed and built on with the necessary safeguards in place. Your point seems to be that it can't be done. Mine is that it most likely can. Neither of us are experts, although as ever you seem to think you are. You're like Dai Rear in that you want to see the bad side of everything. Try a bit of optimism for once - it'll make you feel better.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: This land will have its problems, I can go back before the motorway was built, This land use to be part of Test Playing Fields and a Piggery before the motorway was there. Nearing the end of building the bottom half of the M271 they extracted the most of the Gravel and the hole that was left was filled in with also sorts of rubbish much of it will produce gases that are not healthy to human life and is why there is 2 vents in the ground, there was no membrane put over the rubbish to control the leaking gasses it was just top over with what ever sub-soil they could find and then left 2 vents was put in, the Original idea was to build Council homes on that land, but that was stop as soon as they realise there would be a biogas problem and the land was left, Farmer and Horse owner have used the land (believe it was Mrs Little that graze animals on the land) removed after problems with the animals.[/p][/quote]I am sure that with modern building techniques your highlighted peoblems would soon be overcome. The Daily Echo building never had an issue . As i understand it the regulations for Industrial building are less than for residential. . With the prospect of 750 jobs (perhaps) lets get it built as the place has stood empty far too long[/p][/quote]I agree with the jobs Lone but not at the expense of people health, I also agree on homes as they are needed, but again not at the expense of people health. Yes the regulation for industrial is less than for domestic, the Echo office was built the other side of the old road there is also a tree barrier between them that was planted where the old road use to be. If you walk across that land you can some time smell the biogas not enough to ignite (at lest I don't think so never tired to see it it would ignite) but its enough to cause ill health over long term exposure[/p][/quote]Southy, building regulations do not allow for the construction of premises which are unsafe. The landfill issue is a known problem and will be dealt with appropriately. This is a genuine good news story and we should all be celebrating the fact that it could bring a substantial number of new jobs to the city. Let's get behind it.[/p][/quote]Like putting a concrete raft across the ground, it don't work it just pushes the gas out in another direction, I know this land very well I have walk it a number of times, I will not back some thing that will damage people health, it could end up costing the tax payers and/or Company's a lot of money in the future. Land fills that have been filled with rubbish are not built on not with out a membrane and a gas pump extractor in place.[/p][/quote]Nor would I back something that will damage people's health. My point is that this land will need to be fully surveyed and built on with the necessary safeguards in place. Your point seems to be that it can't be done. Mine is that it most likely can. Neither of us are experts, although as ever you seem to think you are. You're like Dai Rear in that you want to see the bad side of everything. Try a bit of optimism for once - it'll make you feel better. WalkingOnAWire
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11:57am Tue 10 Jun 14

southy says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
southy wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
southy wrote:
This land will have its problems, I can go back before the motorway was built, This land use to be part of Test Playing Fields and a Piggery before the motorway was there. Nearing the end of building the bottom half of the M271 they extracted the most of the Gravel and the hole that was left was filled in with also sorts of rubbish much of it will produce gases that are not healthy to human life and is why there is 2 vents in the ground, there was no membrane put over the rubbish to control the leaking gasses it was just top over with what ever sub-soil they could find and then left 2 vents was put in, the Original idea was to build Council homes on that land, but that was stop as soon as they realise there would be a biogas problem and the land was left, Farmer and Horse owner have used the land (believe it was Mrs Little that graze animals on the land) removed after problems with the animals.
I am sure that with modern building techniques your highlighted peoblems would soon be overcome. The Daily Echo building never had an issue
.
As i understand it the regulations for Industrial building are less than for residential.
.
With the prospect of 750 jobs (perhaps) lets get it built as the place has stood empty far too long
I agree with the jobs Lone but not at the expense of people health, I also agree on homes as they are needed, but again not at the expense of people health.
Yes the regulation for industrial is less than for domestic, the Echo office was built the other side of the old road there is also a tree barrier between them that was planted where the old road use to be.
If you walk across that land you can some time smell the biogas not enough to ignite (at lest I don't think so never tired to see it it would ignite) but its enough to cause ill health over long term exposure
Southy, building regulations do not allow for the construction of premises which are unsafe. The landfill issue is a known problem and will be dealt with appropriately. This is a genuine good news story and we should all be celebrating the fact that it could bring a substantial number of new jobs to the city. Let's get behind it.
Like putting a concrete raft across the ground, it don't work it just pushes the gas out in another direction, I know this land very well I have walk it a number of times, I will not back some thing that will damage people health, it could end up costing the tax payers and/or Company's a lot of money in the future.
Land fills that have been filled with rubbish are not built on not with out a membrane and a gas pump extractor in place.
Nor would I back something that will damage people's health. My point is that this land will need to be fully surveyed and built on with the necessary safeguards in place. Your point seems to be that it can't be done. Mine is that it most likely can. Neither of us are experts, although as ever you seem to think you are. You're like Dai Rear in that you want to see the bad side of everything. Try a bit of optimism for once - it'll make you feel better.
That is the point it can not be done not unless you dig up the land remove the top sub soil and put a membrane in place and fit a gas pump in, and if you go that far you might as well dig it all up and remove the rubbish that was dump there and that will mean a hell of a lot of water will need to be removed also, which in it self will cause extra problems as the water table rises and falls with the tide.
Will any developer want to do this no because it lose out on profits. Would be best to just let nature do its work and keep to the time period that was first laid down on this ground in the first place which is another 50 years or there about,s.
I am a Realist not an Optimism, being an optimism only causes bigger problems later on
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: This land will have its problems, I can go back before the motorway was built, This land use to be part of Test Playing Fields and a Piggery before the motorway was there. Nearing the end of building the bottom half of the M271 they extracted the most of the Gravel and the hole that was left was filled in with also sorts of rubbish much of it will produce gases that are not healthy to human life and is why there is 2 vents in the ground, there was no membrane put over the rubbish to control the leaking gasses it was just top over with what ever sub-soil they could find and then left 2 vents was put in, the Original idea was to build Council homes on that land, but that was stop as soon as they realise there would be a biogas problem and the land was left, Farmer and Horse owner have used the land (believe it was Mrs Little that graze animals on the land) removed after problems with the animals.[/p][/quote]I am sure that with modern building techniques your highlighted peoblems would soon be overcome. The Daily Echo building never had an issue . As i understand it the regulations for Industrial building are less than for residential. . With the prospect of 750 jobs (perhaps) lets get it built as the place has stood empty far too long[/p][/quote]I agree with the jobs Lone but not at the expense of people health, I also agree on homes as they are needed, but again not at the expense of people health. Yes the regulation for industrial is less than for domestic, the Echo office was built the other side of the old road there is also a tree barrier between them that was planted where the old road use to be. If you walk across that land you can some time smell the biogas not enough to ignite (at lest I don't think so never tired to see it it would ignite) but its enough to cause ill health over long term exposure[/p][/quote]Southy, building regulations do not allow for the construction of premises which are unsafe. The landfill issue is a known problem and will be dealt with appropriately. This is a genuine good news story and we should all be celebrating the fact that it could bring a substantial number of new jobs to the city. Let's get behind it.[/p][/quote]Like putting a concrete raft across the ground, it don't work it just pushes the gas out in another direction, I know this land very well I have walk it a number of times, I will not back some thing that will damage people health, it could end up costing the tax payers and/or Company's a lot of money in the future. Land fills that have been filled with rubbish are not built on not with out a membrane and a gas pump extractor in place.[/p][/quote]Nor would I back something that will damage people's health. My point is that this land will need to be fully surveyed and built on with the necessary safeguards in place. Your point seems to be that it can't be done. Mine is that it most likely can. Neither of us are experts, although as ever you seem to think you are. You're like Dai Rear in that you want to see the bad side of everything. Try a bit of optimism for once - it'll make you feel better.[/p][/quote]That is the point it can not be done not unless you dig up the land remove the top sub soil and put a membrane in place and fit a gas pump in, and if you go that far you might as well dig it all up and remove the rubbish that was dump there and that will mean a hell of a lot of water will need to be removed also, which in it self will cause extra problems as the water table rises and falls with the tide. Will any developer want to do this no because it lose out on profits. Would be best to just let nature do its work and keep to the time period that was first laid down on this ground in the first place which is another 50 years or there about,s. I am a Realist not an Optimism, being an optimism only causes bigger problems later on southy
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3:41pm Tue 10 Jun 14

03alpe01 says...

Trampoline place anyone? Saw that bit on the news yesterday about the one that's just opened up in Camberley. Looks really good and fun! Would give the kids something to do!
Trampoline place anyone? Saw that bit on the news yesterday about the one that's just opened up in Camberley. Looks really good and fun! Would give the kids something to do! 03alpe01
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6:30pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Peters567 says...

In Germany they have recently reduced biogas thresholds due to the carcinogenic effects.

Wouldn't want to work there, personally.
In Germany they have recently reduced biogas thresholds due to the carcinogenic effects. Wouldn't want to work there, personally. Peters567
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