Owners left devastated after 76 chickens killed and four alpacas seriously injured by runaway dogs in Owslebury

Derek and Hazel Moore.

Derek and Hazel Moore.

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TWO runaway dogs killed dozens of chickens and left four alpacas with serious injuries.

Derek Moore and his wife Hazel, who run the Hensting Alpacas sanctuary in Owslebury, are today devastated and counting the cost after the Labradors made their way on to their farm and attacked the animals yesterday.

Daily Echo: Tending to an injured alpaca

They ripped apart 76 chickens and left heavily pregnant alpacas with severe wounds.

Vets were on site desperately trying to save the alpacas, which are worth £3,000 each.

Mr Moore has been told that he will have to wait to see if the babies will survive.

Mr Moore told the Daily Echo that the incident could cost him about £20,000.

He added that the alpacas have been left traumatised by the incident and have been cowering together in fear.

Daily Echo:

He said: “I cried. I have taken six years to build this herd up.

“They have no claws, no teeth, and cannot defend themselves.

“These animals have been maimed. These dogs have done this before, I am sure of it.

“I can understand one chicken, but to kill 76.

“I am sickened to the stomach. How can you compensate the damage to those poor animals?

“These dog owners need to know they cannot keep dogs off a lead in the country.

“We have now got to tend to them every three hours and administer drugs, painkillers and antibiotics, for the next ten days and the vet doesn’t know about the babies inside – anything intrusive this late into the pregnancy could harm both.”

Daily Echo:

Mr and Mrs Moore and their team managed to capture the dogs responsible (above) and hand them over to police, who are investigating.

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10:58am Mon 9 Jun 14

Torchie1 says...

The farmer is fully entitled to use his shotgun to prevent it happening again, and the cost of two cartridges will be a lot easier on the public purse.
The farmer is fully entitled to use his shotgun to prevent it happening again, and the cost of two cartridges will be a lot easier on the public purse. Torchie1
  • Score: 36

10:58am Mon 9 Jun 14

Brite Spark says...

All dogs should be destroyed (exempt working dogs) there are so many bad news stories about them, if they're not attacking each other they're maiming children.
All dogs should be destroyed (exempt working dogs) there are so many bad news stories about them, if they're not attacking each other they're maiming children. Brite Spark
  • Score: -52

11:02am Mon 9 Jun 14

Woolston ollie says...

Its the owners that need shooting. Bad owners mean bad dogs. Ban them from owning any kind of animal for life
Its the owners that need shooting. Bad owners mean bad dogs. Ban them from owning any kind of animal for life Woolston ollie
  • Score: 62

11:11am Mon 9 Jun 14

ToastyTea says...

Awful :/
Awful :/ ToastyTea
  • Score: 18

11:33am Mon 9 Jun 14

Brite Spark says...

Ahhhhh yes labradors, "such a placid breed, wouldn't harm anyone, they're only being friendly"
Ahhhhh yes labradors, "such a placid breed, wouldn't harm anyone, they're only being friendly" Brite Spark
  • Score: 5

11:36am Mon 9 Jun 14

Huey says...

Brite Spark wrote:
All dogs should be destroyed (exempt working dogs) there are so many bad news stories about them, if they're not attacking each other they're maiming children.
Not so sure the queen would like giving up her corgis!
[quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: All dogs should be destroyed (exempt working dogs) there are so many bad news stories about them, if they're not attacking each other they're maiming children.[/p][/quote]Not so sure the queen would like giving up her corgis! Huey
  • Score: 12

11:39am Mon 9 Jun 14

countrywench says...

Shotguns are ok if you have them at the time ..then yes I totally agree to defending your livestock and land ..
This must be so heartbreaking for Derek who I know loves and cherishes his animals and works hard to keep them in good health ..
The injuries are a whole lot worse than the echo can publish believe me ..
This is what comes from thinking your dogs are harmless and wouldn't hurt a fly .
Well these are Labradors , supposedly harmless soft mouthed dogs ..
Dogs are carnivores plain and simple , they are animals and each and ever dog is capable of this wild behaviour ..
Please please , keep your dog on a lead around wild stock or you very well might find an irate farmer who will shoot your dog to save his stock , which I believe he is entitled to do so ..
Shotguns are ok if you have them at the time ..then yes I totally agree to defending your livestock and land .. This must be so heartbreaking for Derek who I know loves and cherishes his animals and works hard to keep them in good health .. The injuries are a whole lot worse than the echo can publish believe me .. This is what comes from thinking your dogs are harmless and wouldn't hurt a fly . Well these are Labradors , supposedly harmless soft mouthed dogs .. Dogs are carnivores plain and simple , they are animals and each and ever dog is capable of this wild behaviour .. Please please , keep your dog on a lead around wild stock or you very well might find an irate farmer who will shoot your dog to save his stock , which I believe he is entitled to do so .. countrywench
  • Score: 23

11:56am Mon 9 Jun 14

Mary80 says...

Brite Spark wrote:
All dogs should be destroyed (exempt working dogs) there are so many bad news stories about them, if they're not attacking each other they're maiming children.
What a stupid moronic comment...its not dogs fault its OWNERS who are at fault jesus christ if you can't be bothered to train and look after a dog you shouldn't get one. Having a dog takes more commitment than just taking it for walkies twice a day, certain breeds take a LOT of hard intense training to make them safe people can't just buy staffies and sit back on their arse and do NOTHING. Blaming the dogs is pointless its the people that buy them and cant be bothered to actually give them the training
[quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: All dogs should be destroyed (exempt working dogs) there are so many bad news stories about them, if they're not attacking each other they're maiming children.[/p][/quote]What a stupid moronic comment...its not dogs fault its OWNERS who are at fault jesus christ if you can't be bothered to train and look after a dog you shouldn't get one. Having a dog takes more commitment than just taking it for walkies twice a day, certain breeds take a LOT of hard intense training to make them safe people can't just buy staffies and sit back on their arse and do NOTHING. Blaming the dogs is pointless its the people that buy them and cant be bothered to actually give them the training Mary80
  • Score: 25

11:57am Mon 9 Jun 14

Torchie1 says...

countrywench wrote:
Shotguns are ok if you have them at the time ..then yes I totally agree to defending your livestock and land ..
This must be so heartbreaking for Derek who I know loves and cherishes his animals and works hard to keep them in good health ..
The injuries are a whole lot worse than the echo can publish believe me ..
This is what comes from thinking your dogs are harmless and wouldn't hurt a fly .
Well these are Labradors , supposedly harmless soft mouthed dogs ..
Dogs are carnivores plain and simple , they are animals and each and ever dog is capable of this wild behaviour ..
Please please , keep your dog on a lead around wild stock or you very well might find an irate farmer who will shoot your dog to save his stock , which I believe he is entitled to do so ..
The farmer has a right in law to destroy any dog that is presenting itself as a danger to livestock. There are still farmers that walk the fields with a shotgun which is only a tool of the trade, but others leave a gun in the Land Rover which won't be far away. I wouldn't try to make anything more than an educated guess but the picture shows two animals with a lot more muscle and stock than I associate with a pure bred Labrador, which makes me wonder if they are another dangerous unpredictable inbreed that has now tasted blood and can never be trusted again. It will be interesting to see what happens when the owners are confronted with the vets bills when the Police find out where the dogs came from, or whether the owners will just abandon them to their inevitable fate.
[quote][p][bold]countrywench[/bold] wrote: Shotguns are ok if you have them at the time ..then yes I totally agree to defending your livestock and land .. This must be so heartbreaking for Derek who I know loves and cherishes his animals and works hard to keep them in good health .. The injuries are a whole lot worse than the echo can publish believe me .. This is what comes from thinking your dogs are harmless and wouldn't hurt a fly . Well these are Labradors , supposedly harmless soft mouthed dogs .. Dogs are carnivores plain and simple , they are animals and each and ever dog is capable of this wild behaviour .. Please please , keep your dog on a lead around wild stock or you very well might find an irate farmer who will shoot your dog to save his stock , which I believe he is entitled to do so ..[/p][/quote]The farmer has a right in law to destroy any dog that is presenting itself as a danger to livestock. There are still farmers that walk the fields with a shotgun which is only a tool of the trade, but others leave a gun in the Land Rover which won't be far away. I wouldn't try to make anything more than an educated guess but the picture shows two animals with a lot more muscle and stock than I associate with a pure bred Labrador, which makes me wonder if they are another dangerous unpredictable inbreed that has now tasted blood and can never be trusted again. It will be interesting to see what happens when the owners are confronted with the vets bills when the Police find out where the dogs came from, or whether the owners will just abandon them to their inevitable fate. Torchie1
  • Score: 10

12:32pm Mon 9 Jun 14

xxsushixx says...

Brite Spark wrote:
All dogs should be destroyed (exempt working dogs) there are so many bad news stories about them, if they're not attacking each other they're maiming children.
Brite spark is not so bright.
[quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: All dogs should be destroyed (exempt working dogs) there are so many bad news stories about them, if they're not attacking each other they're maiming children.[/p][/quote]Brite spark is not so bright. xxsushixx
  • Score: 20

12:50pm Mon 9 Jun 14

The Wickham Man says...

Mary80 wrote:
Brite Spark wrote:
All dogs should be destroyed (exempt working dogs) there are so many bad news stories about them, if they're not attacking each other they're maiming children.
What a stupid moronic comment...its not dogs fault its OWNERS who are at fault jesus christ if you can't be bothered to train and look after a dog you shouldn't get one. Having a dog takes more commitment than just taking it for walkies twice a day, certain breeds take a LOT of hard intense training to make them safe people can't just buy staffies and sit back on their arse and do NOTHING. Blaming the dogs is pointless its the people that buy them and cant be bothered to actually give them the training
Yes you have a point, but when a dog follows its pack instincts like this then it must be destroyed because it will do it again. These dogs have probably come from an environment where they don't respect humans as pack leaders (these are animals remember, that's how their brains work). And you are equally guilty of excusing the dog's behaviour entirely in order to concentrate on the owner . It doesn't matter who left the gate open when dogs kill - it's about the outcome. Using twee little terms like "Staffie" suggests that you would be equally inclined to fine the owner heavily then let the "labby" (or whatever other stupid nickname you can come up with) run around free to do it again, which is a fat lot of good.
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: All dogs should be destroyed (exempt working dogs) there are so many bad news stories about them, if they're not attacking each other they're maiming children.[/p][/quote]What a stupid moronic comment...its not dogs fault its OWNERS who are at fault jesus christ if you can't be bothered to train and look after a dog you shouldn't get one. Having a dog takes more commitment than just taking it for walkies twice a day, certain breeds take a LOT of hard intense training to make them safe people can't just buy staffies and sit back on their arse and do NOTHING. Blaming the dogs is pointless its the people that buy them and cant be bothered to actually give them the training[/p][/quote]Yes you have a point, but when a dog follows its pack instincts like this then it must be destroyed because it will do it again. These dogs have probably come from an environment where they don't respect humans as pack leaders (these are animals remember, that's how their brains work). And you are equally guilty of excusing the dog's behaviour entirely in order to concentrate on the owner . It doesn't matter who left the gate open when dogs kill - it's about the outcome. Using twee little terms like "Staffie" suggests that you would be equally inclined to fine the owner heavily then let the "labby" (or whatever other stupid nickname you can come up with) run around free to do it again, which is a fat lot of good. The Wickham Man
  • Score: 5

1:01pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Brite Spark says...

Any animal has a degree of unpredictability, where odes one draw the line? Think of experts who entertain us at killer whale shows, or alligator zoos - every once in a blue moon one of the experts gets chomped. Dogs are no different, they are unpredictable and have very big teeth.
Any animal has a degree of unpredictability, where odes one draw the line? Think of experts who entertain us at killer whale shows, or alligator zoos - every once in a blue moon one of the experts gets chomped. Dogs are no different, they are unpredictable and have very big teeth. Brite Spark
  • Score: 0

1:03pm Mon 9 Jun 14

kiddynamite says...

Brite Spark wrote:
All dogs should be destroyed (exempt working dogs) there are so many bad news stories about them, if they're not attacking each other they're maiming children.
What a dumb ****!
[quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: All dogs should be destroyed (exempt working dogs) there are so many bad news stories about them, if they're not attacking each other they're maiming children.[/p][/quote]What a dumb ****! kiddynamite
  • Score: 12

1:56pm Mon 9 Jun 14

sparkster says...

all dogs SHOULD NOT be destroyed, the owners maybe, its up to the dog owners to be responsible and ensure their dogs cannot get out, its not the fault of the dogs
all dogs SHOULD NOT be destroyed, the owners maybe, its up to the dog owners to be responsible and ensure their dogs cannot get out, its not the fault of the dogs sparkster
  • Score: 7

2:43pm Mon 9 Jun 14

The Wickham Man says...

sparkster wrote:
all dogs SHOULD NOT be destroyed, the owners maybe, its up to the dog owners to be responsible and ensure their dogs cannot get out, its not the fault of the dogs
So would you sooner avoid unnecessary and painful death and mutilation by taking appropriate action now, or just spend time in a pathetic little argument about whose fault it all was when it happens again?
[quote][p][bold]sparkster[/bold] wrote: all dogs SHOULD NOT be destroyed, the owners maybe, its up to the dog owners to be responsible and ensure their dogs cannot get out, its not the fault of the dogs[/p][/quote]So would you sooner avoid unnecessary and painful death and mutilation by taking appropriate action now, or just spend time in a pathetic little argument about whose fault it all was when it happens again? The Wickham Man
  • Score: -2

3:48pm Mon 9 Jun 14

sparkster says...

im not in an argument im simply saying that dog owners are responsible for their dogs which sorry I dont class as pathetic and if you look at some of the comments above you will see i am not the only person to say this, if in your view that's pathetic so be it, i made my point and im sticking to it if others dont like it thats not my fault
im not in an argument im simply saying that dog owners are responsible for their dogs which sorry I dont class as pathetic and if you look at some of the comments above you will see i am not the only person to say this, if in your view that's pathetic so be it, i made my point and im sticking to it if others dont like it thats not my fault sparkster
  • Score: 3

3:51pm Mon 9 Jun 14

sparkster says...

If you bother to read some of the other comments you will see that others say the same dog owners are responsible for their dogs, if you happen to feel its pathetic so be it and i am not in an argument merely expressing an opinion which we are entitled to, if more dog owners were responsible and ensured their dogs couldn't get out we would not have as many incidents as this
If you bother to read some of the other comments you will see that others say the same dog owners are responsible for their dogs, if you happen to feel its pathetic so be it and i am not in an argument merely expressing an opinion which we are entitled to, if more dog owners were responsible and ensured their dogs couldn't get out we would not have as many incidents as this sparkster
  • Score: 4

3:53pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Frank28 says...

The Dangerous Dogs Act has recently been amended, and the owners are totally liable. Perhaps the reintroduction of Dog Licences might discourage careless owners from keeping a dog?
The Dangerous Dogs Act has recently been amended, and the owners are totally liable. Perhaps the reintroduction of Dog Licences might discourage careless owners from keeping a dog? Frank28
  • Score: 3

4:22pm Mon 9 Jun 14

bobby the crane says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
Brite Spark wrote:
All dogs should be destroyed (exempt working dogs) there are so many bad news stories about them, if they're not attacking each other they're maiming children.
What a stupid moronic comment...its not dogs fault its OWNERS who are at fault jesus christ if you can't be bothered to train and look after a dog you shouldn't get one. Having a dog takes more commitment than just taking it for walkies twice a day, certain breeds take a LOT of hard intense training to make them safe people can't just buy staffies and sit back on their arse and do NOTHING. Blaming the dogs is pointless its the people that buy them and cant be bothered to actually give them the training
Yes you have a point, but when a dog follows its pack instincts like this then it must be destroyed because it will do it again. These dogs have probably come from an environment where they don't respect humans as pack leaders (these are animals remember, that's how their brains work). And you are equally guilty of excusing the dog's behaviour entirely in order to concentrate on the owner . It doesn't matter who left the gate open when dogs kill - it's about the outcome. Using twee little terms like "Staffie" suggests that you would be equally inclined to fine the owner heavily then let the "labby" (or whatever other stupid nickname you can come up with) run around free to do it again, which is a fat lot of good.
who is this MORON ''DIM SPARK'' have seen his stupid MORONIC Remarks so many times before, Why oh why can we not have sensible comments posted.
Why don't the ''Echo'' monitor these unjust remarks before they are posted, for what I can see most of theses comment are coming from boring old men with nothing better to do, may be they are dominated by there ''Wives'' & this is there way to let off steam
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: All dogs should be destroyed (exempt working dogs) there are so many bad news stories about them, if they're not attacking each other they're maiming children.[/p][/quote]What a stupid moronic comment...its not dogs fault its OWNERS who are at fault jesus christ if you can't be bothered to train and look after a dog you shouldn't get one. Having a dog takes more commitment than just taking it for walkies twice a day, certain breeds take a LOT of hard intense training to make them safe people can't just buy staffies and sit back on their arse and do NOTHING. Blaming the dogs is pointless its the people that buy them and cant be bothered to actually give them the training[/p][/quote]Yes you have a point, but when a dog follows its pack instincts like this then it must be destroyed because it will do it again. These dogs have probably come from an environment where they don't respect humans as pack leaders (these are animals remember, that's how their brains work). And you are equally guilty of excusing the dog's behaviour entirely in order to concentrate on the owner . It doesn't matter who left the gate open when dogs kill - it's about the outcome. Using twee little terms like "Staffie" suggests that you would be equally inclined to fine the owner heavily then let the "labby" (or whatever other stupid nickname you can come up with) run around free to do it again, which is a fat lot of good.[/p][/quote]who is this MORON ''DIM SPARK'' have seen his stupid MORONIC Remarks so many times before, Why oh why can we not have sensible comments posted. Why don't the ''Echo'' monitor these unjust remarks before they are posted, for what I can see most of theses comment are coming from boring old men with nothing better to do, may be they are dominated by there ''Wives'' & this is there way to let off steam bobby the crane
  • Score: 7

5:14pm Mon 9 Jun 14

MisterGrimsdale says...

bobby the crane wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
Brite Spark wrote:
All dogs should be destroyed (exempt working dogs) there are so many bad news stories about them, if they're not attacking each other they're maiming children.
What a stupid moronic comment...its not dogs fault its OWNERS who are at fault jesus christ if you can't be bothered to train and look after a dog you shouldn't get one. Having a dog takes more commitment than just taking it for walkies twice a day, certain breeds take a LOT of hard intense training to make them safe people can't just buy staffies and sit back on their arse and do NOTHING. Blaming the dogs is pointless its the people that buy them and cant be bothered to actually give them the training
Yes you have a point, but when a dog follows its pack instincts like this then it must be destroyed because it will do it again. These dogs have probably come from an environment where they don't respect humans as pack leaders (these are animals remember, that's how their brains work). And you are equally guilty of excusing the dog's behaviour entirely in order to concentrate on the owner . It doesn't matter who left the gate open when dogs kill - it's about the outcome. Using twee little terms like "Staffie" suggests that you would be equally inclined to fine the owner heavily then let the "labby" (or whatever other stupid nickname you can come up with) run around free to do it again, which is a fat lot of good.
who is this MORON ''DIM SPARK'' have seen his stupid MORONIC Remarks so many times before, Why oh why can we not have sensible comments posted.
Why don't the ''Echo'' monitor these unjust remarks before they are posted, for what I can see most of theses comment are coming from boring old men with nothing better to do, may be they are dominated by there ''Wives'' & this is there way to let off steam
Are you ill? Have you been spending a lot of time alone lately?
[quote][p][bold]bobby the crane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: All dogs should be destroyed (exempt working dogs) there are so many bad news stories about them, if they're not attacking each other they're maiming children.[/p][/quote]What a stupid moronic comment...its not dogs fault its OWNERS who are at fault jesus christ if you can't be bothered to train and look after a dog you shouldn't get one. Having a dog takes more commitment than just taking it for walkies twice a day, certain breeds take a LOT of hard intense training to make them safe people can't just buy staffies and sit back on their arse and do NOTHING. Blaming the dogs is pointless its the people that buy them and cant be bothered to actually give them the training[/p][/quote]Yes you have a point, but when a dog follows its pack instincts like this then it must be destroyed because it will do it again. These dogs have probably come from an environment where they don't respect humans as pack leaders (these are animals remember, that's how their brains work). And you are equally guilty of excusing the dog's behaviour entirely in order to concentrate on the owner . It doesn't matter who left the gate open when dogs kill - it's about the outcome. Using twee little terms like "Staffie" suggests that you would be equally inclined to fine the owner heavily then let the "labby" (or whatever other stupid nickname you can come up with) run around free to do it again, which is a fat lot of good.[/p][/quote]who is this MORON ''DIM SPARK'' have seen his stupid MORONIC Remarks so many times before, Why oh why can we not have sensible comments posted. Why don't the ''Echo'' monitor these unjust remarks before they are posted, for what I can see most of theses comment are coming from boring old men with nothing better to do, may be they are dominated by there ''Wives'' & this is there way to let off steam[/p][/quote]Are you ill? Have you been spending a lot of time alone lately? MisterGrimsdale
  • Score: -1

7:15pm Mon 9 Jun 14

mickey01 says...

Brite Spark wrote:
All dogs should be destroyed (exempt working dogs) there are so many bad news stories about them, if they're not attacking each other they're maiming children.
d head
[quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: All dogs should be destroyed (exempt working dogs) there are so many bad news stories about them, if they're not attacking each other they're maiming children.[/p][/quote]d head mickey01
  • Score: 5

7:19pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Insightful says...

Exasperating - hope the police do their job properly and sort this
Exasperating - hope the police do their job properly and sort this Insightful
  • Score: 2

8:02pm Mon 9 Jun 14

sass says...

bobby the crane wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
Brite Spark wrote:
All dogs should be destroyed (exempt working dogs) there are so many bad news stories about them, if they're not attacking each other they're maiming children.
What a stupid moronic comment...its not dogs fault its OWNERS who are at fault jesus christ if you can't be bothered to train and look after a dog you shouldn't get one. Having a dog takes more commitment than just taking it for walkies twice a day, certain breeds take a LOT of hard intense training to make them safe people can't just buy staffies and sit back on their arse and do NOTHING. Blaming the dogs is pointless its the people that buy them and cant be bothered to actually give them the training
Yes you have a point, but when a dog follows its pack instincts like this then it must be destroyed because it will do it again. These dogs have probably come from an environment where they don't respect humans as pack leaders (these are animals remember, that's how their brains work). And you are equally guilty of excusing the dog's behaviour entirely in order to concentrate on the owner . It doesn't matter who left the gate open when dogs kill - it's about the outcome. Using twee little terms like "Staffie" suggests that you would be equally inclined to fine the owner heavily then let the "labby" (or whatever other stupid nickname you can come up with) run around free to do it again, which is a fat lot of good.
who is this MORON ''DIM SPARK'' have seen his stupid MORONIC Remarks so many times before, Why oh why can we not have sensible comments posted.
Why don't the ''Echo'' monitor these unjust remarks before they are posted, for what I can see most of theses comment are coming from boring old men with nothing better to do, may be they are dominated by there ''Wives'' & this is there way to let off steam
Their, there, they're not the same.
[quote][p][bold]bobby the crane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: All dogs should be destroyed (exempt working dogs) there are so many bad news stories about them, if they're not attacking each other they're maiming children.[/p][/quote]What a stupid moronic comment...its not dogs fault its OWNERS who are at fault jesus christ if you can't be bothered to train and look after a dog you shouldn't get one. Having a dog takes more commitment than just taking it for walkies twice a day, certain breeds take a LOT of hard intense training to make them safe people can't just buy staffies and sit back on their arse and do NOTHING. Blaming the dogs is pointless its the people that buy them and cant be bothered to actually give them the training[/p][/quote]Yes you have a point, but when a dog follows its pack instincts like this then it must be destroyed because it will do it again. These dogs have probably come from an environment where they don't respect humans as pack leaders (these are animals remember, that's how their brains work). And you are equally guilty of excusing the dog's behaviour entirely in order to concentrate on the owner . It doesn't matter who left the gate open when dogs kill - it's about the outcome. Using twee little terms like "Staffie" suggests that you would be equally inclined to fine the owner heavily then let the "labby" (or whatever other stupid nickname you can come up with) run around free to do it again, which is a fat lot of good.[/p][/quote]who is this MORON ''DIM SPARK'' have seen his stupid MORONIC Remarks so many times before, Why oh why can we not have sensible comments posted. Why don't the ''Echo'' monitor these unjust remarks before they are posted, for what I can see most of theses comment are coming from boring old men with nothing better to do, may be they are dominated by there ''Wives'' & this is there way to let off steam[/p][/quote]Their, there, they're not the same. sass
  • Score: 0

1:30am Tue 10 Jun 14

Gagaworld says...

This is a horrible thing that has happened but I do not believe the dogs have to be destroyed maybe an order from police to owners that the dogs must be on lead and muzzled when out in public. Dogs act on what they know out in wild (kill for food) or what they have been taught, train a dog to chase/attack cats then that is what it will do. Owners should pay the vet bill same as if your child thrown a stone and smashed car window you pay to get it fixed. I did see on Facebook that apparently owners are on holiday and a friend is looking after the dogs and unfortunately got out by mistake
This is a horrible thing that has happened but I do not believe the dogs have to be destroyed maybe an order from police to owners that the dogs must be on lead and muzzled when out in public. Dogs act on what they know out in wild (kill for food) or what they have been taught, train a dog to chase/attack cats then that is what it will do. Owners should pay the vet bill same as if your child thrown a stone and smashed car window you pay to get it fixed. I did see on Facebook that apparently owners are on holiday and a friend is looking after the dogs and unfortunately got out by mistake Gagaworld
  • Score: -3

7:40am Tue 10 Jun 14

skeptik says...

The bad owners line - anyone willing to risk keeping a dog around babies and young -cannot be 100% sure that their dog will not be the one that turns - We never took the risk however small that risk. From farming heritage myself I would not hesitate to shoot any dog doing this to livestock.
The bad owners line - anyone willing to risk keeping a dog around babies and young -cannot be 100% sure that their dog will not be the one that turns - We never took the risk however small that risk. From farming heritage myself I would not hesitate to shoot any dog doing this to livestock. skeptik
  • Score: 3

10:55pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Niel says...

Torchie1 wrote:
The farmer is fully entitled to use his shotgun to prevent it happening again, and the cost of two cartridges will be a lot easier on the public purse.
Just hope the dog's owner isn't a sitting labour MP if you shoot the dog, an under-keeper I knew got sacked for doing that, even though the dog, a Labrador, was killing stock, when she found out...
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: The farmer is fully entitled to use his shotgun to prevent it happening again, and the cost of two cartridges will be a lot easier on the public purse.[/p][/quote]Just hope the dog's owner isn't a sitting labour MP if you shoot the dog, an under-keeper I knew got sacked for doing that, even though the dog, a Labrador, was killing stock, when she found out... Niel
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3:30am Wed 11 Jun 14

whocaresaboutchicken says...

The chickens would almost certainly end up beside spuds n veg either way, don't slate the dogs for acting in their own natural instinct. They are and always have been higher up on the food chain. Sad that the farmer has lost money on this occasion but we all need to eat to survive. Never mind slating the owners either, the dogs acted natuarally, if you have a problem with it then don't keep pets and turn vegan pledging your £5 a month to green peace and leave the rest of us in peace to enjoy a bit of bacon.
The chickens would almost certainly end up beside spuds n veg either way, don't slate the dogs for acting in their own natural instinct. They are and always have been higher up on the food chain. Sad that the farmer has lost money on this occasion but we all need to eat to survive. Never mind slating the owners either, the dogs acted natuarally, if you have a problem with it then don't keep pets and turn vegan pledging your £5 a month to green peace and leave the rest of us in peace to enjoy a bit of bacon. whocaresaboutchicken
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3:25pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Ozmosis says...

Torchie1 wrote:
countrywench wrote:
Shotguns are ok if you have them at the time ..then yes I totally agree to defending your livestock and land ..
This must be so heartbreaking for Derek who I know loves and cherishes his animals and works hard to keep them in good health ..
The injuries are a whole lot worse than the echo can publish believe me ..
This is what comes from thinking your dogs are harmless and wouldn't hurt a fly .
Well these are Labradors , supposedly harmless soft mouthed dogs ..
Dogs are carnivores plain and simple , they are animals and each and ever dog is capable of this wild behaviour ..
Please please , keep your dog on a lead around wild stock or you very well might find an irate farmer who will shoot your dog to save his stock , which I believe he is entitled to do so ..
The farmer has a right in law to destroy any dog that is presenting itself as a danger to livestock. There are still farmers that walk the fields with a shotgun which is only a tool of the trade, but others leave a gun in the Land Rover which won't be far away. I wouldn't try to make anything more than an educated guess but the picture shows two animals with a lot more muscle and stock than I associate with a pure bred Labrador, which makes me wonder if they are another dangerous unpredictable inbreed that has now tasted blood and can never be trusted again. It will be interesting to see what happens when the owners are confronted with the vets bills when the Police find out where the dogs came from, or whether the owners will just abandon them to their inevitable fate.
I thought the dogs didn't look pure-bred either. I would take a guess at a rotty or staffy cross... I hope the owners are traced and dealt with
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]countrywench[/bold] wrote: Shotguns are ok if you have them at the time ..then yes I totally agree to defending your livestock and land .. This must be so heartbreaking for Derek who I know loves and cherishes his animals and works hard to keep them in good health .. The injuries are a whole lot worse than the echo can publish believe me .. This is what comes from thinking your dogs are harmless and wouldn't hurt a fly . Well these are Labradors , supposedly harmless soft mouthed dogs .. Dogs are carnivores plain and simple , they are animals and each and ever dog is capable of this wild behaviour .. Please please , keep your dog on a lead around wild stock or you very well might find an irate farmer who will shoot your dog to save his stock , which I believe he is entitled to do so ..[/p][/quote]The farmer has a right in law to destroy any dog that is presenting itself as a danger to livestock. There are still farmers that walk the fields with a shotgun which is only a tool of the trade, but others leave a gun in the Land Rover which won't be far away. I wouldn't try to make anything more than an educated guess but the picture shows two animals with a lot more muscle and stock than I associate with a pure bred Labrador, which makes me wonder if they are another dangerous unpredictable inbreed that has now tasted blood and can never be trusted again. It will be interesting to see what happens when the owners are confronted with the vets bills when the Police find out where the dogs came from, or whether the owners will just abandon them to their inevitable fate.[/p][/quote]I thought the dogs didn't look pure-bred either. I would take a guess at a rotty or staffy cross... I hope the owners are traced and dealt with Ozmosis
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