Fire Authority boss Royston Smith believes residents will be safe during week of fire strikes

Firefighters on the picket line

Firefighters on the picket line

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Health Reporter

THE head of Hampshire's fire authority has warned of disruption as firefighters prepare to strike on eight consecutive days.

Royston Smith says he does not condone the industrial action - but he believes the county's residents will remain safe because of the numbers of retained firefighters who will be working.

In the latest round of walkouts during the three-year dispute over pensions, firefighters across England and Wales will strike during two two-hour periods each day between July 14 and July 21.

The strikes will take place from 6am-8am and 5pm-7pm Monday through to Thursday and could mean major problems during rush hour when the service is often called to help with serious accidents.

On Friday they will walk out from 6am-8am and 11pm-1am. Firefighters will also down tools from 11am-1pm and 11pm-1am on the Saturday, and 5pm-7pm on the Sunday.

As reported, the Fire Brigades Union (FBU) is locked in a battle with the Government over pensions – with union bosses saying a new Westminster deal would leave firefighters “paying more, working longer and receiving less”.

Meanwhile, Whitehall has repeatedly criticised the strikes and says it has contingency plans to keep the public safe.

But Matt Wrack, FBU general secretary, said: “The Government must realise that firefighters cannot accept proposals that would have such devastating consequences for their futures, their families’ futures – and the future of the fire and rescue service itself.

“We have tried every route available to make the Government see sense over their attacks.

“Three years of negotiations have come to nothing because the Government is simply unwilling to compromise or even listen to reason despite a huge amount of evidence showing their planned scheme is unworkable.”

Royston Smith, chairman of Hampshire’s Fire Authority, told the Daily Echo that while he wished firefighters would not go on strike, he believed Hampshire will be safe.

He added: “These strikes are obviously designed to cause disruption and that is what they are going to do. I don’t condone any times that they pick.

“But because Hampshire has fire stations covered by retained firefighters who are not involved in this strike, we have maintained a 50 per cent cover in previous strikes and I don’t see it being any different now.”

The FBU also recently launched a legal challenge against the Government’s proposals, claiming the Government plans over pensions amount to age discrimination.

FIREFIGHTERS are also due to strike next Thursday (July 10) — the 15th strike in the campaign — alongside local government workers, teachers and civil servants, who are campaigning over a range of issues, including pay, pensions and workloads.

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5:18pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Balsamic says...

But Matt Wrack, FBU general secretary, said: “The Government must realise that firefighters cannot accept proposals that would have such devastating consequences for their futures, their families’ futures – and the future of the fire and rescue service itself.


What kind of dream world does Matt Wrack live in.
Has he been on the moon for the past 6 years while everyone else in the country has had to suffer with austerity and cutting back on expenditure.
Why should the fire brigade think of them selves as a kind of master race who should be worshipped and given any sort of special treatment .
Yes before anybody responds to this saying "you wouldn't be saying that if your house was on fire" ,I would like to point out that yes I would be very happy to see a fire engine arrive if any of my family were in need but ,I am equally pleased when I see the dustcart come round on a Thursday morning to empty my dustbin .
The fire brigade is a service, no different than any other service ,and some are at similar or more risk of injury than the fireman.
Come on fireman you are not getting the backing of the public on this one ,and it's one that you are not going to win.

Accept it and stop this futile attempt at trying to look at yourselves as something special.
But Matt Wrack, FBU general secretary, said: “The Government must realise that firefighters cannot accept proposals that would have such devastating consequences for their futures, their families’ futures – and the future of the fire and rescue service itself. What kind of dream world does Matt Wrack live in. Has he been on the moon for the past 6 years while everyone else in the country has had to suffer with austerity and cutting back on expenditure. Why should the fire brigade think of them selves as a kind of master race who should be worshipped and given any sort of special treatment . Yes before anybody responds to this saying "you wouldn't be saying that if your house was on fire" ,I would like to point out that yes I would be very happy to see a fire engine arrive if any of my family were in need but ,I am equally pleased when I see the dustcart come round on a Thursday morning to empty my dustbin . The fire brigade is a service, no different than any other service ,and some are at similar or more risk of injury than the fireman. Come on fireman you are not getting the backing of the public on this one ,and it's one that you are not going to win. Accept it and stop this futile attempt at trying to look at yourselves as something special. Balsamic
  • Score: 5

5:44pm Sat 5 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

Full time FireFighters are not an "essential" service.... most communities could operate a volunteer service , there are enough right minded people in communities who would give up their time to train to be fire fighters... lets get rid of a full time professional service and instead pass over responsibility for major incidents to the army and volunteers can get cats out of trees, cut roofs of cars for no good reason and put out chip pan fires.....
Full time FireFighters are not an "essential" service.... most communities could operate a volunteer service , there are enough right minded people in communities who would give up their time to train to be fire fighters... lets get rid of a full time professional service and instead pass over responsibility for major incidents to the army and volunteers can get cats out of trees, cut roofs of cars for no good reason and put out chip pan fires..... steekeemcglue
  • Score: -2

7:17pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Donald2000 says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
Full time FireFighters are not an "essential" service.... most communities could operate a volunteer service , there are enough right minded people in communities who would give up their time to train to be fire fighters... lets get rid of a full time professional service and instead pass over responsibility for major incidents to the army and volunteers can get cats out of trees, cut roofs of cars for no good reason and put out chip pan fires.....
That's strange. Most people who come across something wrong in this town tend to walk the other way.

Example, I told children climbing scaffolding locally to get off; some stupid woman came up to me and said "kids will climb you know". Presumably her backside would not have been around when they plunged to their deaths.

With people of the level of intellect around here, I am sure we could get volunteers. Mostly in the rush to get to the boozers.
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: Full time FireFighters are not an "essential" service.... most communities could operate a volunteer service , there are enough right minded people in communities who would give up their time to train to be fire fighters... lets get rid of a full time professional service and instead pass over responsibility for major incidents to the army and volunteers can get cats out of trees, cut roofs of cars for no good reason and put out chip pan fires.....[/p][/quote]That's strange. Most people who come across something wrong in this town tend to walk the other way. Example, I told children climbing scaffolding locally to get off; some stupid woman came up to me and said "kids will climb you know". Presumably her backside would not have been around when they plunged to their deaths. With people of the level of intellect around here, I am sure we could get volunteers. Mostly in the rush to get to the boozers. Donald2000
  • Score: 0

9:16pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Superior Being says...

Balsamic wrote:
But Matt Wrack, FBU general secretary, said: “The Government must realise that firefighters cannot accept proposals that would have such devastating consequences for their futures, their families’ futures – and the future of the fire and rescue service itself.


What kind of dream world does Matt Wrack live in.
Has he been on the moon for the past 6 years while everyone else in the country has had to suffer with austerity and cutting back on expenditure.
Why should the fire brigade think of them selves as a kind of master race who should be worshipped and given any sort of special treatment .
Yes before anybody responds to this saying "you wouldn't be saying that if your house was on fire" ,I would like to point out that yes I would be very happy to see a fire engine arrive if any of my family were in need but ,I am equally pleased when I see the dustcart come round on a Thursday morning to empty my dustbin .
The fire brigade is a service, no different than any other service ,and some are at similar or more risk of injury than the fireman.
Come on fireman you are not getting the backing of the public on this one ,and it's one that you are not going to win.

Accept it and stop this futile attempt at trying to look at yourselves as something special.
What are you on about.............th
is isn't about cut backs. It's about pensions. Firstly a firefighter pays a higher percentage of their wage into the pension than most other workers. This allows them to retire earlier so as to not still be doing the job at an age that puts themselves, their colleagues and the public at risk.
The government themselves have completed research that clearly states a firefighter at 60 is not safe. They then went on to ignore their own information and carry on with this act anyway.

Firefighters are now paying even more money monthly into their pension, working up to 10 years longer and then receiving a much smaller monthly pension after retirement.

If you took out mortgage, and then half way through the contract you was told you have to pay a lot more each month, have the contract for longer but then at the end would only own some of the house anyway would you be happy.

Firefighters do have a large public following for this, as the public have come to realise that a fire appliance turning up with four 60 year old men is just not safe.
The only people who seem to get angry, alsways turn out to have the wrong facts about the whole thing.

How would you honestly feel if you knew you were going to retire on a certain date, but then all of a sudden have to work an extra 10 years. 10 years of night shifts missing out on family time.
No one would be happy with that.

http://www.fbu.org.u
k/
[quote][p][bold]Balsamic[/bold] wrote: But Matt Wrack, FBU general secretary, said: “The Government must realise that firefighters cannot accept proposals that would have such devastating consequences for their futures, their families’ futures – and the future of the fire and rescue service itself. What kind of dream world does Matt Wrack live in. Has he been on the moon for the past 6 years while everyone else in the country has had to suffer with austerity and cutting back on expenditure. Why should the fire brigade think of them selves as a kind of master race who should be worshipped and given any sort of special treatment . Yes before anybody responds to this saying "you wouldn't be saying that if your house was on fire" ,I would like to point out that yes I would be very happy to see a fire engine arrive if any of my family were in need but ,I am equally pleased when I see the dustcart come round on a Thursday morning to empty my dustbin . The fire brigade is a service, no different than any other service ,and some are at similar or more risk of injury than the fireman. Come on fireman you are not getting the backing of the public on this one ,and it's one that you are not going to win. Accept it and stop this futile attempt at trying to look at yourselves as something special.[/p][/quote]What are you on about.............th is isn't about cut backs. It's about pensions. Firstly a firefighter pays a higher percentage of their wage into the pension than most other workers. This allows them to retire earlier so as to not still be doing the job at an age that puts themselves, their colleagues and the public at risk. The government themselves have completed research that clearly states a firefighter at 60 is not safe. They then went on to ignore their own information and carry on with this act anyway. Firefighters are now paying even more money monthly into their pension, working up to 10 years longer and then receiving a much smaller monthly pension after retirement. If you took out mortgage, and then half way through the contract you was told you have to pay a lot more each month, have the contract for longer but then at the end would only own some of the house anyway would you be happy. Firefighters do have a large public following for this, as the public have come to realise that a fire appliance turning up with four 60 year old men is just not safe. The only people who seem to get angry, alsways turn out to have the wrong facts about the whole thing. How would you honestly feel if you knew you were going to retire on a certain date, but then all of a sudden have to work an extra 10 years. 10 years of night shifts missing out on family time. No one would be happy with that. http://www.fbu.org.u k/ Superior Being
  • Score: -7

11:25pm Sat 5 Jul 14

issacchunt says...

superior being???

do you believe what you have written, most right level headed people will understand the following and not your emotive exaggeration.

you say do we want 4x 60 year olds turning up in an engine, what shift manager would allow this you would not get 4 x 21 year olds or 4 x women? you would plan mixed ages and experience and gender.

60 is just not that old, firefighters train constantly and are amongst the fittest in society, that is why we cannot afford to pay a full pension to 50 year olds who live into there 80's.

night shifts, what 4 and getting to sleep on some of them? missing your family's? what about the rest of us, 5 nights? permanent nights? not getting to sleep while being paid. the truth is out and public support is waining, already in London a man died during the strikes! the minute this happens here you are finished, to strike around rush hours is not the actions of caring hero's is it?
superior being??? do you believe what you have written, most right level headed people will understand the following and not your emotive exaggeration. you say do we want 4x 60 year olds turning up in an engine, what shift manager would allow this you would not get 4 x 21 year olds or 4 x women? you would plan mixed ages and experience and gender. 60 is just not that old, firefighters train constantly and are amongst the fittest in society, that is why we cannot afford to pay a full pension to 50 year olds who live into there 80's. night shifts, what 4 and getting to sleep on some of them? missing your family's? what about the rest of us, 5 nights? permanent nights? not getting to sleep while being paid. the truth is out and public support is waining, already in London a man died during the strikes! the minute this happens here you are finished, to strike around rush hours is not the actions of caring hero's is it? issacchunt
  • Score: 6

11:34pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Totton Tim says...

Superior Being wrote:
Balsamic wrote:
But Matt Wrack, FBU general secretary, said: “The Government must realise that firefighters cannot accept proposals that would have such devastating consequences for their futures, their families’ futures – and the future of the fire and rescue service itself.


What kind of dream world does Matt Wrack live in.
Has he been on the moon for the past 6 years while everyone else in the country has had to suffer with austerity and cutting back on expenditure.
Why should the fire brigade think of them selves as a kind of master race who should be worshipped and given any sort of special treatment .
Yes before anybody responds to this saying "you wouldn't be saying that if your house was on fire" ,I would like to point out that yes I would be very happy to see a fire engine arrive if any of my family were in need but ,I am equally pleased when I see the dustcart come round on a Thursday morning to empty my dustbin .
The fire brigade is a service, no different than any other service ,and some are at similar or more risk of injury than the fireman.
Come on fireman you are not getting the backing of the public on this one ,and it's one that you are not going to win.

Accept it and stop this futile attempt at trying to look at yourselves as something special.
What are you on about.............th

is isn't about cut backs. It's about pensions. Firstly a firefighter pays a higher percentage of their wage into the pension than most other workers. This allows them to retire earlier so as to not still be doing the job at an age that puts themselves, their colleagues and the public at risk.
The government themselves have completed research that clearly states a firefighter at 60 is not safe. They then went on to ignore their own information and carry on with this act anyway.

Firefighters are now paying even more money monthly into their pension, working up to 10 years longer and then receiving a much smaller monthly pension after retirement.

If you took out mortgage, and then half way through the contract you was told you have to pay a lot more each month, have the contract for longer but then at the end would only own some of the house anyway would you be happy.

Firefighters do have a large public following for this, as the public have come to realise that a fire appliance turning up with four 60 year old men is just not safe.
The only people who seem to get angry, alsways turn out to have the wrong facts about the whole thing.

How would you honestly feel if you knew you were going to retire on a certain date, but then all of a sudden have to work an extra 10 years. 10 years of night shifts missing out on family time.
No one would be happy with that.

http://www.fbu.org.u

k/
"If you took out mortgage, and then half way through the contract you was told you have to pay a lot more each month, have the contract for longer but then at the end would only own some of the house anyway would you be happy."
"How would you honestly feel if you knew you were going to retire on a certain date, but then all of a sudden have to work an extra 10 years. 10 years of night shifts missing out on family time. No one would be happy with that."
...You're not in the real world either. This is precisely what's happening to just about everyone else in private industry. Like a lot of others my original pension, that was agreed at the commencement of my employment, has disappeared. Firefighters are NOT a special case!
[quote][p][bold]Superior Being[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Balsamic[/bold] wrote: But Matt Wrack, FBU general secretary, said: “The Government must realise that firefighters cannot accept proposals that would have such devastating consequences for their futures, their families’ futures – and the future of the fire and rescue service itself. What kind of dream world does Matt Wrack live in. Has he been on the moon for the past 6 years while everyone else in the country has had to suffer with austerity and cutting back on expenditure. Why should the fire brigade think of them selves as a kind of master race who should be worshipped and given any sort of special treatment . Yes before anybody responds to this saying "you wouldn't be saying that if your house was on fire" ,I would like to point out that yes I would be very happy to see a fire engine arrive if any of my family were in need but ,I am equally pleased when I see the dustcart come round on a Thursday morning to empty my dustbin . The fire brigade is a service, no different than any other service ,and some are at similar or more risk of injury than the fireman. Come on fireman you are not getting the backing of the public on this one ,and it's one that you are not going to win. Accept it and stop this futile attempt at trying to look at yourselves as something special.[/p][/quote]What are you on about.............th is isn't about cut backs. It's about pensions. Firstly a firefighter pays a higher percentage of their wage into the pension than most other workers. This allows them to retire earlier so as to not still be doing the job at an age that puts themselves, their colleagues and the public at risk. The government themselves have completed research that clearly states a firefighter at 60 is not safe. They then went on to ignore their own information and carry on with this act anyway. Firefighters are now paying even more money monthly into their pension, working up to 10 years longer and then receiving a much smaller monthly pension after retirement. If you took out mortgage, and then half way through the contract you was told you have to pay a lot more each month, have the contract for longer but then at the end would only own some of the house anyway would you be happy. Firefighters do have a large public following for this, as the public have come to realise that a fire appliance turning up with four 60 year old men is just not safe. The only people who seem to get angry, alsways turn out to have the wrong facts about the whole thing. How would you honestly feel if you knew you were going to retire on a certain date, but then all of a sudden have to work an extra 10 years. 10 years of night shifts missing out on family time. No one would be happy with that. http://www.fbu.org.u k/[/p][/quote]"If you took out mortgage, and then half way through the contract you was told you have to pay a lot more each month, have the contract for longer but then at the end would only own some of the house anyway would you be happy." "How would you honestly feel if you knew you were going to retire on a certain date, but then all of a sudden have to work an extra 10 years. 10 years of night shifts missing out on family time. No one would be happy with that." ...You're not in the real world either. This is precisely what's happening to just about everyone else in private industry. Like a lot of others my original pension, that was agreed at the commencement of my employment, has disappeared. Firefighters are NOT a special case! Totton Tim
  • Score: 5

12:12am Sun 6 Jul 14

Balsamic says...

Superior Being wrote:
Balsamic wrote:
But Matt Wrack, FBU general secretary, said: “The Government must realise that firefighters cannot accept proposals that would have such devastating consequences for their futures, their families’ futures – and the future of the fire and rescue service itself.


What kind of dream world does Matt Wrack live in.
Has he been on the moon for the past 6 years while everyone else in the country has had to suffer with austerity and cutting back on expenditure.
Why should the fire brigade think of them selves as a kind of master race who should be worshipped and given any sort of special treatment .
Yes before anybody responds to this saying "you wouldn't be saying that if your house was on fire" ,I would like to point out that yes I would be very happy to see a fire engine arrive if any of my family were in need but ,I am equally pleased when I see the dustcart come round on a Thursday morning to empty my dustbin .
The fire brigade is a service, no different than any other service ,and some are at similar or more risk of injury than the fireman.
Come on fireman you are not getting the backing of the public on this one ,and it's one that you are not going to win.

Accept it and stop this futile attempt at trying to look at yourselves as something special.
What are you on about.............th

is isn't about cut backs. It's about pensions. Firstly a firefighter pays a higher percentage of their wage into the pension than most other workers. This allows them to retire earlier so as to not still be doing the job at an age that puts themselves, their colleagues and the public at risk.
The government themselves have completed research that clearly states a firefighter at 60 is not safe. They then went on to ignore their own information and carry on with this act anyway.

Firefighters are now paying even more money monthly into their pension, working up to 10 years longer and then receiving a much smaller monthly pension after retirement.

If you took out mortgage, and then half way through the contract you was told you have to pay a lot more each month, have the contract for longer but then at the end would only own some of the house anyway would you be happy.

Firefighters do have a large public following for this, as the public have come to realise that a fire appliance turning up with four 60 year old men is just not safe.
The only people who seem to get angry, alsways turn out to have the wrong facts about the whole thing.

How would you honestly feel if you knew you were going to retire on a certain date, but then all of a sudden have to work an extra 10 years. 10 years of night shifts missing out on family time.
No one would be happy with that.

http://www.fbu.org.u

k/
Well I take it you are a fireman by your comments and you prove one of my points by your name (superior being)
If a fire officer sent out a group of 60 year olds in one appliance then he would deserve to lose his job.
What is wrong with the young guys going in to the fire to extinguish it and the 60year old manning the pump.
I think that by the comments that have been posted it is clear that you do not have public backing or sympathy.
Just get back to work ,or bed depending on what shift you are working.
[quote][p][bold]Superior Being[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Balsamic[/bold] wrote: But Matt Wrack, FBU general secretary, said: “The Government must realise that firefighters cannot accept proposals that would have such devastating consequences for their futures, their families’ futures – and the future of the fire and rescue service itself. What kind of dream world does Matt Wrack live in. Has he been on the moon for the past 6 years while everyone else in the country has had to suffer with austerity and cutting back on expenditure. Why should the fire brigade think of them selves as a kind of master race who should be worshipped and given any sort of special treatment . Yes before anybody responds to this saying "you wouldn't be saying that if your house was on fire" ,I would like to point out that yes I would be very happy to see a fire engine arrive if any of my family were in need but ,I am equally pleased when I see the dustcart come round on a Thursday morning to empty my dustbin . The fire brigade is a service, no different than any other service ,and some are at similar or more risk of injury than the fireman. Come on fireman you are not getting the backing of the public on this one ,and it's one that you are not going to win. Accept it and stop this futile attempt at trying to look at yourselves as something special.[/p][/quote]What are you on about.............th is isn't about cut backs. It's about pensions. Firstly a firefighter pays a higher percentage of their wage into the pension than most other workers. This allows them to retire earlier so as to not still be doing the job at an age that puts themselves, their colleagues and the public at risk. The government themselves have completed research that clearly states a firefighter at 60 is not safe. They then went on to ignore their own information and carry on with this act anyway. Firefighters are now paying even more money monthly into their pension, working up to 10 years longer and then receiving a much smaller monthly pension after retirement. If you took out mortgage, and then half way through the contract you was told you have to pay a lot more each month, have the contract for longer but then at the end would only own some of the house anyway would you be happy. Firefighters do have a large public following for this, as the public have come to realise that a fire appliance turning up with four 60 year old men is just not safe. The only people who seem to get angry, alsways turn out to have the wrong facts about the whole thing. How would you honestly feel if you knew you were going to retire on a certain date, but then all of a sudden have to work an extra 10 years. 10 years of night shifts missing out on family time. No one would be happy with that. http://www.fbu.org.u k/[/p][/quote]Well I take it you are a fireman by your comments and you prove one of my points by your name (superior being) If a fire officer sent out a group of 60 year olds in one appliance then he would deserve to lose his job. What is wrong with the young guys going in to the fire to extinguish it and the 60year old manning the pump. I think that by the comments that have been posted it is clear that you do not have public backing or sympathy. Just get back to work ,or bed depending on what shift you are working. Balsamic
  • Score: 5

1:32am Sun 6 Jul 14

huckit P says...

Totton Tim wrote:
Superior Being wrote:
Balsamic wrote:
But Matt Wrack, FBU general secretary, said: “The Government must realise that firefighters cannot accept proposals that would have such devastating consequences for their futures, their families’ futures – and the future of the fire and rescue service itself.


What kind of dream world does Matt Wrack live in.
Has he been on the moon for the past 6 years while everyone else in the country has had to suffer with austerity and cutting back on expenditure.
Why should the fire brigade think of them selves as a kind of master race who should be worshipped and given any sort of special treatment .
Yes before anybody responds to this saying "you wouldn't be saying that if your house was on fire" ,I would like to point out that yes I would be very happy to see a fire engine arrive if any of my family were in need but ,I am equally pleased when I see the dustcart come round on a Thursday morning to empty my dustbin .
The fire brigade is a service, no different than any other service ,and some are at similar or more risk of injury than the fireman.
Come on fireman you are not getting the backing of the public on this one ,and it's one that you are not going to win.

Accept it and stop this futile attempt at trying to look at yourselves as something special.
What are you on about.............th


is isn't about cut backs. It's about pensions. Firstly a firefighter pays a higher percentage of their wage into the pension than most other workers. This allows them to retire earlier so as to not still be doing the job at an age that puts themselves, their colleagues and the public at risk.
The government themselves have completed research that clearly states a firefighter at 60 is not safe. They then went on to ignore their own information and carry on with this act anyway.

Firefighters are now paying even more money monthly into their pension, working up to 10 years longer and then receiving a much smaller monthly pension after retirement.

If you took out mortgage, and then half way through the contract you was told you have to pay a lot more each month, have the contract for longer but then at the end would only own some of the house anyway would you be happy.

Firefighters do have a large public following for this, as the public have come to realise that a fire appliance turning up with four 60 year old men is just not safe.
The only people who seem to get angry, alsways turn out to have the wrong facts about the whole thing.

How would you honestly feel if you knew you were going to retire on a certain date, but then all of a sudden have to work an extra 10 years. 10 years of night shifts missing out on family time.
No one would be happy with that.

http://www.fbu.org.u


k/
"If you took out mortgage, and then half way through the contract you was told you have to pay a lot more each month, have the contract for longer but then at the end would only own some of the house anyway would you be happy."
"How would you honestly feel if you knew you were going to retire on a certain date, but then all of a sudden have to work an extra 10 years. 10 years of night shifts missing out on family time. No one would be happy with that."
...You're not in the real world either. This is precisely what's happening to just about everyone else in private industry. Like a lot of others my original pension, that was agreed at the commencement of my employment, has disappeared. Firefighters are NOT a special case!
What a load of twaddle! Nowhere in the proposal does it state you will be required to work 10 years of night ****. Nowhere in the proposals does it require anyone to work 10 years longer.
Firemen currently retire at 55 and senior officers at 60 unless they elect for additional service.
Proposals now suggest the retirement age to be more in line with the norm, but do not make it compulsory because I understand it has a fitness clause attached to it. Maybe that's what the fight is all about - getting rid of the beer bellies and shaping up. Or could it be something to do with the risk of doing normal working shifts, where you actually work during all hours on duty instead of sleeping on night shift. Can't really pay attention to taxi driving or private security work if you had to work all night. Or could it be the irrational fear of 10 years of extra nights? 2 days, 2 nights 4 days off doesn't sound too bad when compared to a week of days, a week of nights and a week of graveyard shifts, with a day or two off in between. And don't get me started on the holidays!
[quote][p][bold]Totton Tim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Superior Being[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Balsamic[/bold] wrote: But Matt Wrack, FBU general secretary, said: “The Government must realise that firefighters cannot accept proposals that would have such devastating consequences for their futures, their families’ futures – and the future of the fire and rescue service itself. What kind of dream world does Matt Wrack live in. Has he been on the moon for the past 6 years while everyone else in the country has had to suffer with austerity and cutting back on expenditure. Why should the fire brigade think of them selves as a kind of master race who should be worshipped and given any sort of special treatment . Yes before anybody responds to this saying "you wouldn't be saying that if your house was on fire" ,I would like to point out that yes I would be very happy to see a fire engine arrive if any of my family were in need but ,I am equally pleased when I see the dustcart come round on a Thursday morning to empty my dustbin . The fire brigade is a service, no different than any other service ,and some are at similar or more risk of injury than the fireman. Come on fireman you are not getting the backing of the public on this one ,and it's one that you are not going to win. Accept it and stop this futile attempt at trying to look at yourselves as something special.[/p][/quote]What are you on about.............th is isn't about cut backs. It's about pensions. Firstly a firefighter pays a higher percentage of their wage into the pension than most other workers. This allows them to retire earlier so as to not still be doing the job at an age that puts themselves, their colleagues and the public at risk. The government themselves have completed research that clearly states a firefighter at 60 is not safe. They then went on to ignore their own information and carry on with this act anyway. Firefighters are now paying even more money monthly into their pension, working up to 10 years longer and then receiving a much smaller monthly pension after retirement. If you took out mortgage, and then half way through the contract you was told you have to pay a lot more each month, have the contract for longer but then at the end would only own some of the house anyway would you be happy. Firefighters do have a large public following for this, as the public have come to realise that a fire appliance turning up with four 60 year old men is just not safe. The only people who seem to get angry, alsways turn out to have the wrong facts about the whole thing. How would you honestly feel if you knew you were going to retire on a certain date, but then all of a sudden have to work an extra 10 years. 10 years of night shifts missing out on family time. No one would be happy with that. http://www.fbu.org.u k/[/p][/quote]"If you took out mortgage, and then half way through the contract you was told you have to pay a lot more each month, have the contract for longer but then at the end would only own some of the house anyway would you be happy." "How would you honestly feel if you knew you were going to retire on a certain date, but then all of a sudden have to work an extra 10 years. 10 years of night shifts missing out on family time. No one would be happy with that." ...You're not in the real world either. This is precisely what's happening to just about everyone else in private industry. Like a lot of others my original pension, that was agreed at the commencement of my employment, has disappeared. Firefighters are NOT a special case![/p][/quote]What a load of twaddle! Nowhere in the proposal does it state you will be required to work 10 years of night ****. Nowhere in the proposals does it require anyone to work 10 years longer. Firemen currently retire at 55 and senior officers at 60 unless they elect for additional service. Proposals now suggest the retirement age to be more in line with the norm, but do not make it compulsory because I understand it has a fitness clause attached to it. Maybe that's what the fight is all about - getting rid of the beer bellies and shaping up. Or could it be something to do with the risk of doing normal working shifts, where you actually work during all hours on duty instead of sleeping on night shift. Can't really pay attention to taxi driving or private security work if you had to work all night. Or could it be the irrational fear of 10 years of extra nights? 2 days, 2 nights 4 days off doesn't sound too bad when compared to a week of days, a week of nights and a week of graveyard shifts, with a day or two off in between. And don't get me started on the holidays! huckit P
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9:08am Sun 6 Jul 14

gazdance says...

The government are proposing to do to the fire service exactly what they did to the police a couple of years back with the Winsor reforms. The police couldn't even go on strike. It caused a lot of unhappiness. I know one person who expected to retire from policing after doing the standard 30 years service. Since the government moved the goalposts he now will have to work an extra 12 years in order to be able to get the full pension which will now end up being worth less. All while paying increased contributions of 12%+.

The fire service needs to accept that what has happened to other services will happen to them. They are not special, although they have my sympathy. They'll have to suck it up like the rest of us.
The government are proposing to do to the fire service exactly what they did to the police a couple of years back with the Winsor reforms. The police couldn't even go on strike. It caused a lot of unhappiness. I know one person who expected to retire from policing after doing the standard 30 years service. Since the government moved the goalposts he now will have to work an extra 12 years in order to be able to get the full pension which will now end up being worth less. All while paying increased contributions of 12%+. The fire service needs to accept that what has happened to other services will happen to them. They are not special, although they have my sympathy. They'll have to suck it up like the rest of us. gazdance
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4:04pm Sun 6 Jul 14

working man says...

Why should we suck it up when the government handed themselves a £10.000 pay rise and made their pension even better, how come the country could afford that. If all you other services and that includes the police have not got the balls to take on the government then we the fire fighters will. Your stupid comments are well out of date and you don't have a clue about what we do. We joined the fire service to help and have all done that on many occasions but we are now fighting for ourselves and our families. Fire fighting at over 55 is dangerous for all concerned and does not allow young people the chance of a career in the service if it's filled with old fire fighters. Any one who thinks it is easy is either jealous or an idiot. I pay 14% to my pension so don't tell me what I deserve. You can come to my station any time and you can take part in our drills and you can see what the job is like first hand.
Why should we suck it up when the government handed themselves a £10.000 pay rise and made their pension even better, how come the country could afford that. If all you other services and that includes the police have not got the balls to take on the government then we the fire fighters will. Your stupid comments are well out of date and you don't have a clue about what we do. We joined the fire service to help and have all done that on many occasions but we are now fighting for ourselves and our families. Fire fighting at over 55 is dangerous for all concerned and does not allow young people the chance of a career in the service if it's filled with old fire fighters. Any one who thinks it is easy is either jealous or an idiot. I pay 14% to my pension so don't tell me what I deserve. You can come to my station any time and you can take part in our drills and you can see what the job is like first hand. working man
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7:02pm Sun 6 Jul 14

issacchunt says...

working man wrote:
Why should we suck it up when the government handed themselves a £10.000 pay rise and made their pension even better, how come the country could afford that. If all you other services and that includes the police have not got the balls to take on the government then we the fire fighters will. Your stupid comments are well out of date and you don't have a clue about what we do. We joined the fire service to help and have all done that on many occasions but we are now fighting for ourselves and our families. Fire fighting at over 55 is dangerous for all concerned and does not allow young people the chance of a career in the service if it's filled with old fire fighters. Any one who thinks it is easy is either jealous or an idiot. I pay 14% to my pension so don't tell me what I deserve. You can come to my station any time and you can take part in our drills and you can see what the job is like first hand.
And there is the real issue. EGO! We will take on the government. EGO! Jealous? Of what if its so bad?

Paying you a huge pension for 30 years after you retire means we cannot afford
New young firefighters. w
[quote][p][bold]working man[/bold] wrote: Why should we suck it up when the government handed themselves a £10.000 pay rise and made their pension even better, how come the country could afford that. If all you other services and that includes the police have not got the balls to take on the government then we the fire fighters will. Your stupid comments are well out of date and you don't have a clue about what we do. We joined the fire service to help and have all done that on many occasions but we are now fighting for ourselves and our families. Fire fighting at over 55 is dangerous for all concerned and does not allow young people the chance of a career in the service if it's filled with old fire fighters. Any one who thinks it is easy is either jealous or an idiot. I pay 14% to my pension so don't tell me what I deserve. You can come to my station any time and you can take part in our drills and you can see what the job is like first hand.[/p][/quote]And there is the real issue. EGO! We will take on the government. EGO! Jealous? Of what if its so bad? Paying you a huge pension for 30 years after you retire means we cannot afford New young firefighters. w issacchunt
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10:49pm Sun 6 Jul 14

gazdance says...

I know well enough what you are about, thanks. The comments are not out of date and I fully understand your role.
You are not a special case. I do not agree with the government but I do not agree that the fire service will be left alone when the police etc have not. We had similar arguments then. It made no difference. You will have to suck it up as much as the rest of us.

Or, as I have done, leave for another job.
I know well enough what you are about, thanks. The comments are not out of date and I fully understand your role. You are not a special case. I do not agree with the government but I do not agree that the fire service will be left alone when the police etc have not. We had similar arguments then. It made no difference. You will have to suck it up as much as the rest of us. Or, as I have done, leave for another job. gazdance
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10:52pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Balsamic says...

working man wrote:
Why should we suck it up when the government handed themselves a £10.000 pay rise and made their pension even better, how come the country could afford that. If all you other services and that includes the police have not got the balls to take on the government then we the fire fighters will. Your stupid comments are well out of date and you don't have a clue about what we do. We joined the fire service to help and have all done that on many occasions but we are now fighting for ourselves and our families. Fire fighting at over 55 is dangerous for all concerned and does not allow young people the chance of a career in the service if it's filled with old fire fighters. Any one who thinks it is easy is either jealous or an idiot. I pay 14% to my pension so don't tell me what I deserve. You can come to my station any time and you can take part in our drills and you can see what the job is like first hand.
Working man ,do what superior being has done and shut up.
No one has the slightest interest in your strike or the reasons you are striking.
You have zero public support on this.
Oh and jealous, jealous of what ?
Driving around in a big red thing thinking that everyone envies the job you do,thinking every one thinks that you are heroes .
Wake up and get a job where you can earn a decent wage and have to accept the pension you get like the rest of us.
Oh yes I forgot ,it. Might involve putting a shift in every day and not. Once in a blue moon.
[quote][p][bold]working man[/bold] wrote: Why should we suck it up when the government handed themselves a £10.000 pay rise and made their pension even better, how come the country could afford that. If all you other services and that includes the police have not got the balls to take on the government then we the fire fighters will. Your stupid comments are well out of date and you don't have a clue about what we do. We joined the fire service to help and have all done that on many occasions but we are now fighting for ourselves and our families. Fire fighting at over 55 is dangerous for all concerned and does not allow young people the chance of a career in the service if it's filled with old fire fighters. Any one who thinks it is easy is either jealous or an idiot. I pay 14% to my pension so don't tell me what I deserve. You can come to my station any time and you can take part in our drills and you can see what the job is like first hand.[/p][/quote]Working man ,do what superior being has done and shut up. No one has the slightest interest in your strike or the reasons you are striking. You have zero public support on this. Oh and jealous, jealous of what ? Driving around in a big red thing thinking that everyone envies the job you do,thinking every one thinks that you are heroes . Wake up and get a job where you can earn a decent wage and have to accept the pension you get like the rest of us. Oh yes I forgot ,it. Might involve putting a shift in every day and not. Once in a blue moon. Balsamic
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