Pot holes 'not deep enough' to be fixed

Pot holes 'not deep enough' to be fixed

Pot holes 'not deep enough' to be fixed

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IT is a road that is literally driving locals round the bend.

More than 50 large crater-shaped potholes litter Coxford Road in Lordswood, Southampton, making it a miserable drive for motorists.

But despite a campaign by residents to get their street repaired, it looks set to stay that way – because council bosses say the holes are not deep enough!

The bumpy section of road – dubbed “the forgotten corner of Southampton” – is less than a quarter of a mile long. A petition for it to be fixed has already attracted dozens of names while local councillors have also been urged to help the cause before there is an accident.

But one resident, who asked not to be named, said he had been told the potholes cannot be fixed because they are 30mm deep – 10mm too shallow.

Another resident, Eliza-beth Baker, 70, retired, said: “They’re getting more and more dangerous. As people are familiar with them they are swerving up and down the road to avoid them and we have to be very careful getting into our cars and pulling away. It’s been like this for months.”

Neighbourhood Watch co-ordinator Judy Short says that cars and lorries that use the busy road are regularly having to swerve to avoid the potholes while cyclists risk injury on a daily basis.

She said: “I am aware of a number of near miss accidents. The road is frequently used by cyclists of all ages. It is close to a special cycling facility in the sports centre.

“The longer the potholes are left the more damage is being caused to vehicles.”

Mrs Short added: “The surface of this particular stretch of Coxford Road has been unsatisfactory for many years.

“Some long-standing residents say it was never designed for the volume of traffic it now carries.”

She also accused the council of “failing” in their responsibilities in relation to a statement on the council website which says the city’s road “need regular maintenance to keep them safe and useable”.

Lordswood councillors Don Thomas and Keith Morrell are backing the Coxford Road residents’ campaign.

‘A disgrace’ The councillors have labelled the surface of Coxford Road a disgrace but have been told there is no cash in the council pot for repairs. In a bid to get action they have arranged a site meeting with highway officers and contractors.

In a joint letter to residents Councillor Thomas and Morrell say: “We made the council aware of the problem long ago but despite that and innumerable complaints to the council by residents the council refuses to acknowledge the problem.

“We are told that the potholes are not individually deep enough to require fixing.”

The Local Government Association, which represents town halls, says that Whitehall should spend |£1 billion a year from the cash it collects in fuel duty to fix potholes and crumbling roads, They say a share of fuel duty could help with the |£12 billion repair bill for the nation’s roads.

When Southampton City Council was contacted by the Daily Echo a spokesperson said they were unable to comment.

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6:06am Sat 9 Aug 14

bigfella777 says...

You could probably say this about most roads in the city. The east side is falling to bits, the council just take our money and run
They Dont have any civic pride any more.
You could probably say this about most roads in the city. The east side is falling to bits, the council just take our money and run They Dont have any civic pride any more. bigfella777
  • Score: 31

6:33am Sat 9 Aug 14

skeptik says...

Time we fixed the deep pockets of over manned administration.
Time we fixed the deep pockets of over manned administration. skeptik
  • Score: 19

6:51am Sat 9 Aug 14

sophialdh says...

I used to use this road regularly to get to tescos from the bottom of lordswood. Now i try and avoid it all together and go the other way to sainsburys. This pot holes r prob the worst i hav seen in Southampton. If they were doing roadworks there would b a sign Up warning you of a ramp for the bump.. on rare occasions when i do have to go that way for my sons medicine from the chemist i must admit i try and avoid them. If there is traffic though then i slow roght down to about 5mph to avoid damaging my car.. we had potholes down woburn road which were smaller but they got overfilled so its still bumpy but least its not a ditch type of bump i guess this road was done as its used more often and carries more traffic... I think the holes on this side of coxford road are awful and to be honest understand and agree o
it does seem like that road has been forgotten
I used to use this road regularly to get to tescos from the bottom of lordswood. Now i try and avoid it all together and go the other way to sainsburys. This pot holes r prob the worst i hav seen in Southampton. If they were doing roadworks there would b a sign Up warning you of a ramp for the bump.. on rare occasions when i do have to go that way for my sons medicine from the chemist i must admit i try and avoid them. If there is traffic though then i slow roght down to about 5mph to avoid damaging my car.. we had potholes down woburn road which were smaller but they got overfilled so its still bumpy but least its not a ditch type of bump i guess this road was done as its used more often and carries more traffic... I think the holes on this side of coxford road are awful and to be honest understand and agree o it does seem like that road has been forgotten sophialdh
  • Score: 17

6:59am Sat 9 Aug 14

commonsense888 says...

I drive on this road everyday and i've seen better roads in a third world country!!! Dale Valley Road should also be highlighted which is dangerous for cyclists. an accident just waiting to happen....... Do the council actually resurface any roads in this city, or just fill pot holes?
I drive on this road everyday and i've seen better roads in a third world country!!! Dale Valley Road should also be highlighted which is dangerous for cyclists. an accident just waiting to happen....... Do the council actually resurface any roads in this city, or just fill pot holes? commonsense888
  • Score: 23

7:58am Sat 9 Aug 14

Advisoriescaution says...

Get industrial chisels and a large sledge hammer and deliberately beat them even deeper. That way the council MUST do something.
Get industrial chisels and a large sledge hammer and deliberately beat them even deeper. That way the council MUST do something. Advisoriescaution
  • Score: 22

8:16am Sat 9 Aug 14

Lone Ranger. says...

bigfella777 wrote:
You could probably say this about most roads in the city. The east side is falling to bits, the council just take our money and run
They Dont have any civic pride any more.
Pride is one thing ....... Money is the other
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: You could probably say this about most roads in the city. The east side is falling to bits, the council just take our money and run They Dont have any civic pride any more.[/p][/quote]Pride is one thing ....... Money is the other Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -10

8:28am Sat 9 Aug 14

downfader says...

skeptik wrote:
Time we fixed the deep pockets of over manned administration.
The admin isnt really the problem. Its the high wages of the Execs all on over 90k a year, the amount of Execs, the free transport and parking they get, the free luncheons, etc.

Its the same story in all public service. Those at the bottom are often only on just over minimum wage, or a living wage (often frozen), then as you reach management levels wages go up exponentially. Then when you add in things like luxury schemes that dont work out (eg Tories investment in Sea Museum, Sulphur Plant)
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: Time we fixed the deep pockets of over manned administration.[/p][/quote]The admin isnt really the problem. Its the high wages of the Execs all on over 90k a year, the amount of Execs, the free transport and parking they get, the free luncheons, etc. Its the same story in all public service. Those at the bottom are often only on just over minimum wage, or a living wage (often frozen), then as you reach management levels wages go up exponentially. Then when you add in things like luxury schemes that dont work out (eg Tories investment in Sea Museum, Sulphur Plant) downfader
  • Score: 7

8:31am Sat 9 Aug 14

downfader says...

downfader wrote:
skeptik wrote:
Time we fixed the deep pockets of over manned administration.
The admin isnt really the problem. Its the high wages of the Execs all on over 90k a year, the amount of Execs, the free transport and parking they get, the free luncheons, etc.

Its the same story in all public service. Those at the bottom are often only on just over minimum wage, or a living wage (often frozen), then as you reach management levels wages go up exponentially. Then when you add in things like luxury schemes that dont work out (eg Tories investment in Sea Museum, Sulphur Plant)
Oh and we can also add in the love-in between councils and private providers. The roads and traffic system are no longer manned by the council but a private company (Balfour) who seem to now cost us 3x the amount we were paying.

Costs for the roads havent gone down, they've gone up to fund profiteering companies all over the UK sadly. They rarely seem to have any workers on the ground - where does our money go? On management. On executive pay yet again.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: Time we fixed the deep pockets of over manned administration.[/p][/quote]The admin isnt really the problem. Its the high wages of the Execs all on over 90k a year, the amount of Execs, the free transport and parking they get, the free luncheons, etc. Its the same story in all public service. Those at the bottom are often only on just over minimum wage, or a living wage (often frozen), then as you reach management levels wages go up exponentially. Then when you add in things like luxury schemes that dont work out (eg Tories investment in Sea Museum, Sulphur Plant)[/p][/quote]Oh and we can also add in the love-in between councils and private providers. The roads and traffic system are no longer manned by the council but a private company (Balfour) who seem to now cost us 3x the amount we were paying. Costs for the roads havent gone down, they've gone up to fund profiteering companies all over the UK sadly. They rarely seem to have any workers on the ground - where does our money go? On management. On executive pay yet again. downfader
  • Score: 9

8:40am Sat 9 Aug 14

lastminmoran says...

HAS to be up their with leafs on the line as an excuse! must be some gypsie drive-way merchants out for a larger contract!!!!have to unchain igor again and give him a bigger pick! maybe your slave workers are working to rule!!!serves you right.
HAS to be up their with leafs on the line as an excuse! must be some gypsie drive-way merchants out for a larger contract!!!!have to unchain igor again and give him a bigger pick! maybe your slave workers are working to rule!!!serves you right. lastminmoran
  • Score: -11

8:42am Sat 9 Aug 14

Rhombus says...

Redbridge Hill is no different
Redbridge Hill is no different Rhombus
  • Score: 14

9:05am Sat 9 Aug 14

Maine Lobster says...

bigfella777 wrote:
You could probably say this about most roads in the city. The east side is falling to bits, the council just take our money and run
They Dont have any civic pride any more.
This is due to central government funding cuts,not lack of desire to fix it. While George Osborne uses public services as a cash cow to pay off the deficit caused by the bankers, public services of all types are suffering, not just roads.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: You could probably say this about most roads in the city. The east side is falling to bits, the council just take our money and run They Dont have any civic pride any more.[/p][/quote]This is due to central government funding cuts,not lack of desire to fix it. While George Osborne uses public services as a cash cow to pay off the deficit caused by the bankers, public services of all types are suffering, not just roads. Maine Lobster
  • Score: 7

9:13am Sat 9 Aug 14

downfader says...

Rhombus wrote:
Redbridge Hill is no different
So many roads are like this now. Its when they keep ignoring all the little problems that we suddenly realise they've mouted up into one big problem.
[quote][p][bold]Rhombus[/bold] wrote: Redbridge Hill is no different[/p][/quote]So many roads are like this now. Its when they keep ignoring all the little problems that we suddenly realise they've mouted up into one big problem. downfader
  • Score: 5

9:20am Sat 9 Aug 14

Hampshire Rose says...

Sorry to disagree but for once the council are not to blame. Balfour Beatty have a rolling contact to repair all potholes in the city irrespective of how many.
The council could and probably should resurface the entire stretch of road but individual potholes are not their responsibility.
When you see a white cross painted on the road it means it is due to be done. The entire city infrastructure should have a white cross as so many roads are a dangerous disgrace
Sorry to disagree but for once the council are not to blame. Balfour Beatty have a rolling contact to repair all potholes in the city irrespective of how many. The council could and probably should resurface the entire stretch of road but individual potholes are not their responsibility. When you see a white cross painted on the road it means it is due to be done. The entire city infrastructure should have a white cross as so many roads are a dangerous disgrace Hampshire Rose
  • Score: 9

9:21am Sat 9 Aug 14

Block41row0sfc says...

ZZZZzzzzz boring.
ZZZZzzzzz boring. Block41row0sfc
  • Score: -19

9:27am Sat 9 Aug 14

Bassett Boy says...

Redbridge Hill has even more!
Redbridge Hill has even more! Bassett Boy
  • Score: 4

9:51am Sat 9 Aug 14

skeptik says...

A believer in public service - my military mind tells me that we are hugely over administered - complexity is the enemy of efficiency. More departments and heads of, than you could begin to list. Never understood the arguments over idle unemployed when the jobs that need doing on a daily basis have been cut. Military thinking for centuries - identify the aim/job/task - plan to achieve the aim with the resources and people available to you, start involving uncle Tom Cobley and all - your idea has to be discussed by all and this ensures that planning to achieve the aim becomes aiming to achieve a plan - the aim/Job/task has cost time and money in talk and is still to be carried out . The same problems have been sorted in many of our old colonies where they inherited the talking shop.
A believer in public service - my military mind tells me that we are hugely over administered - complexity is the enemy of efficiency. More departments and heads of, than you could begin to list. Never understood the arguments over idle unemployed when the jobs that need doing on a daily basis have been cut. Military thinking for centuries - identify the aim/job/task - plan to achieve the aim with the resources and people available to you, start involving uncle Tom Cobley and all - your idea has to be discussed by all and this ensures that planning to achieve the aim becomes aiming to achieve a plan - the aim/Job/task has cost time and money in talk and is still to be carried out . The same problems have been sorted in many of our old colonies where they inherited the talking shop. skeptik
  • Score: 1

10:42am Sat 9 Aug 14

jankirkcaldy says...

Perhaps when a cyclist or motorcyclist is severely or fatally injured caused by such holes (anywhere in the city) they may think again. After dark they can be invisible. Compensation payouts would be very high and rightly so.
Perhaps when a cyclist or motorcyclist is severely or fatally injured caused by such holes (anywhere in the city) they may think again. After dark they can be invisible. Compensation payouts would be very high and rightly so. jankirkcaldy
  • Score: 6

10:56am Sat 9 Aug 14

Kirsty666 says...

There are so many roads that need attention the problem is the council employ subcontractors Balfour Beaty to do the work and they charge more than needed if the council employed their own staff as they did years ago then this wouldn't be a problem things would get done and not take months or years of planning they could say this needs fixing you go and do it rather than loads of pointless phone calls then the company saying we can do it 6 months later
There are so many roads that need attention the problem is the council employ subcontractors Balfour Beaty to do the work and they charge more than needed if the council employed their own staff as they did years ago then this wouldn't be a problem things would get done and not take months or years of planning they could say this needs fixing you go and do it rather than loads of pointless phone calls then the company saying we can do it 6 months later Kirsty666
  • Score: 14

11:02am Sat 9 Aug 14

Kirsty666 says...

jankirkcaldy wrote:
Perhaps when a cyclist or motorcyclist is severely or fatally injured caused by such holes (anywhere in the city) they may think again. After dark they can be invisible. Compensation payouts would be very high and rightly so.
They do it on the ratio of accidents I had this argument with the council a couple of years ago about putting in an appropriate crossing on Bernard street/ Queens way as there are a lot of families that walk that way to the local school and all they have is the traffic lights that are only suitable for motorists as there is no time between the lights and cars going so people have to hope the road is quiet which is very rare. I emailed the council and they said there has never been any accidents on that crossing so nothing needs to be done!
[quote][p][bold]jankirkcaldy[/bold] wrote: Perhaps when a cyclist or motorcyclist is severely or fatally injured caused by such holes (anywhere in the city) they may think again. After dark they can be invisible. Compensation payouts would be very high and rightly so.[/p][/quote]They do it on the ratio of accidents I had this argument with the council a couple of years ago about putting in an appropriate crossing on Bernard street/ Queens way as there are a lot of families that walk that way to the local school and all they have is the traffic lights that are only suitable for motorists as there is no time between the lights and cars going so people have to hope the road is quiet which is very rare. I emailed the council and they said there has never been any accidents on that crossing so nothing needs to be done! Kirsty666
  • Score: 12

11:09am Sat 9 Aug 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
You could probably say this about most roads in the city. The east side is falling to bits, the council just take our money and run
They Dont have any civic pride any more.
Pride is one thing ....... Money is the other
I doubt if as resident apologist of NuLabour on this site you would have used the same misleading and lame excuse if Southampton Council was under Tory control.

Council is having financial problems because of various reasons, and as a socialist it doesn't give me any pleasure in saying that the NuLabourite councillors who have betrayed virtally all Labour values have most miserably failed to address those, and while trying to behave like Tories the arrogant mob led by Cllr. Simon Letts is performing even worse than the disaster under Conservatives Cllr. Smith.

As another comment explains cost of road repairs has gone up because work is done not by council workers but by a big business whose main aims are to decrease costs/spending on repairs and increase profits. But Cllr. Letts and co have no intention to stop engaging likes of Befour and Capita.

Council also employs less workers but too many fat cats, and waste plenty of money on consultants, probably because the councillors themselves only know how to pretend to be important and be arrogant while looking after themselves while enjoying various junkets, but don't know how to engage their brains to understand the simple problems like pot holes and simple solutions for those i.e. Fill with bit of that black stuff

The decreased contribution from central government towards local council financial pot is also part of the problem, but the current Coaltion govt of unprincipled Lib-Dem and the Tories are not the only ones to financially punish the Councils. The NuLabour under Blair and Brown also implemented the same stupid policies which were introduced under Thatcher.

Answer to the financial problem is for our gutless councillors to show some courage and stand up to the govt in London, and demand the money for road repairs and other services.

The road users are paying more than enough through road tax, fuel taxes and other charges including collections through greed/speed/safety cameras etc, they are not asking too much in return but only road without pot holes.

Shame on Cllr. Simon Letts led NuLabour Council, which can't even fill these pot holes
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: You could probably say this about most roads in the city. The east side is falling to bits, the council just take our money and run They Dont have any civic pride any more.[/p][/quote]Pride is one thing ....... Money is the other[/p][/quote]I doubt if as resident apologist of NuLabour on this site you would have used the same misleading and lame excuse if Southampton Council was under Tory control. Council is having financial problems because of various reasons, and as a socialist it doesn't give me any pleasure in saying that the NuLabourite councillors who have betrayed virtally all Labour values have most miserably failed to address those, and while trying to behave like Tories the arrogant mob led by Cllr. Simon Letts is performing even worse than the disaster under Conservatives Cllr. Smith. As another comment explains cost of road repairs has gone up because work is done not by council workers but by a big business whose main aims are to decrease costs/spending on repairs and increase profits. But Cllr. Letts and co have no intention to stop engaging likes of Befour and Capita. Council also employs less workers but too many fat cats, and waste plenty of money on consultants, probably because the councillors themselves only know how to pretend to be important and be arrogant while looking after themselves while enjoying various junkets, but don't know how to engage their brains to understand the simple problems like pot holes and simple solutions for those i.e. Fill with bit of that black stuff The decreased contribution from central government towards local council financial pot is also part of the problem, but the current Coaltion govt of unprincipled Lib-Dem and the Tories are not the only ones to financially punish the Councils. The NuLabour under Blair and Brown also implemented the same stupid policies which were introduced under Thatcher. Answer to the financial problem is for our gutless councillors to show some courage and stand up to the govt in London, and demand the money for road repairs and other services. The road users are paying more than enough through road tax, fuel taxes and other charges including collections through greed/speed/safety cameras etc, they are not asking too much in return but only road without pot holes. Shame on Cllr. Simon Letts led NuLabour Council, which can't even fill these pot holes Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 0

11:33am Sat 9 Aug 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

It will be interesting if Echo try to find out condition of road outside Cllr. Jacqi Rayment's residence, because that may be free from pot holes, just like road outside Civic Centre and it's car park, where councillors and fat cats park, obviously free
It will be interesting if Echo try to find out condition of road outside Cllr. Jacqi Rayment's residence, because that may be free from pot holes, just like road outside Civic Centre and it's car park, where councillors and fat cats park, obviously free Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 7

11:35am Sat 9 Aug 14

Imvuka says...

Sandpiper and Woburn Road are terrible as well. Half tempted to fill them in myself. Either way, both roads are in need of a resurface. Won't be done though, since the roads aren't important despite them being roads that lead to residential areas. I suspect they'll only be repaired when someone has an accident.
Sandpiper and Woburn Road are terrible as well. Half tempted to fill them in myself. Either way, both roads are in need of a resurface. Won't be done though, since the roads aren't important despite them being roads that lead to residential areas. I suspect they'll only be repaired when someone has an accident. Imvuka
  • Score: 6

12:14pm Sat 9 Aug 14

bucktoom says...

Myself and many others have been complaining about the state of this road for 6 months now. You actually cannot avoid the potholes and I'm fed up with the damage they're causing. The council really don't give a toss.
Myself and many others have been complaining about the state of this road for 6 months now. You actually cannot avoid the potholes and I'm fed up with the damage they're causing. The council really don't give a toss. bucktoom
  • Score: 7

12:26pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
You could probably say this about most roads in the city. The east side is falling to bits, the council just take our money and run
They Dont have any civic pride any more.
Pride is one thing ....... Money is the other
I doubt if as resident apologist of NuLabour on this site you would have used the same misleading and lame excuse if Southampton Council was under Tory control.

Council is having financial problems because of various reasons, and as a socialist it doesn't give me any pleasure in saying that the NuLabourite councillors who have betrayed virtally all Labour values have most miserably failed to address those, and while trying to behave like Tories the arrogant mob led by Cllr. Simon Letts is performing even worse than the disaster under Conservatives Cllr. Smith.

As another comment explains cost of road repairs has gone up because work is done not by council workers but by a big business whose main aims are to decrease costs/spending on repairs and increase profits. But Cllr. Letts and co have no intention to stop engaging likes of Befour and Capita.

Council also employs less workers but too many fat cats, and waste plenty of money on consultants, probably because the councillors themselves only know how to pretend to be important and be arrogant while looking after themselves while enjoying various junkets, but don't know how to engage their brains to understand the simple problems like pot holes and simple solutions for those i.e. Fill with bit of that black stuff

The decreased contribution from central government towards local council financial pot is also part of the problem, but the current Coaltion govt of unprincipled Lib-Dem and the Tories are not the only ones to financially punish the Councils. The NuLabour under Blair and Brown also implemented the same stupid policies which were introduced under Thatcher.

Answer to the financial problem is for our gutless councillors to show some courage and stand up to the govt in London, and demand the money for road repairs and other services.

The road users are paying more than enough through road tax, fuel taxes and other charges including collections through greed/speed/safety cameras etc, they are not asking too much in return but only road without pot holes.

Shame on Cllr. Simon Letts led NuLabour Council, which can't even fill these pot holes
Isnt that how politics work Paramjit ........ I defend Labour and complain about Tories...
.
You defend Thomas and Morrell and complain about others ...... the difference is what exactly ......
.
Does that now make you a TUSC, .. or Idependent Cllrs, .. or Labour Councillor Against Cuts or .. or Councillors Against Cuts, or Socialist Party ...... .. ... apologist ?? ...... Not sure which label Morrell and Thomas are wearing today
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: You could probably say this about most roads in the city. The east side is falling to bits, the council just take our money and run They Dont have any civic pride any more.[/p][/quote]Pride is one thing ....... Money is the other[/p][/quote]I doubt if as resident apologist of NuLabour on this site you would have used the same misleading and lame excuse if Southampton Council was under Tory control. Council is having financial problems because of various reasons, and as a socialist it doesn't give me any pleasure in saying that the NuLabourite councillors who have betrayed virtally all Labour values have most miserably failed to address those, and while trying to behave like Tories the arrogant mob led by Cllr. Simon Letts is performing even worse than the disaster under Conservatives Cllr. Smith. As another comment explains cost of road repairs has gone up because work is done not by council workers but by a big business whose main aims are to decrease costs/spending on repairs and increase profits. But Cllr. Letts and co have no intention to stop engaging likes of Befour and Capita. Council also employs less workers but too many fat cats, and waste plenty of money on consultants, probably because the councillors themselves only know how to pretend to be important and be arrogant while looking after themselves while enjoying various junkets, but don't know how to engage their brains to understand the simple problems like pot holes and simple solutions for those i.e. Fill with bit of that black stuff The decreased contribution from central government towards local council financial pot is also part of the problem, but the current Coaltion govt of unprincipled Lib-Dem and the Tories are not the only ones to financially punish the Councils. The NuLabour under Blair and Brown also implemented the same stupid policies which were introduced under Thatcher. Answer to the financial problem is for our gutless councillors to show some courage and stand up to the govt in London, and demand the money for road repairs and other services. The road users are paying more than enough through road tax, fuel taxes and other charges including collections through greed/speed/safety cameras etc, they are not asking too much in return but only road without pot holes. Shame on Cllr. Simon Letts led NuLabour Council, which can't even fill these pot holes[/p][/quote]Isnt that how politics work Paramjit ........ I defend Labour and complain about Tories... . You defend Thomas and Morrell and complain about others ...... the difference is what exactly ...... . Does that now make you a TUSC, .. or Idependent Cllrs, .. or Labour Councillor Against Cuts or .. or Councillors Against Cuts, or Socialist Party ...... .. ... apologist ?? ...... Not sure which label Morrell and Thomas are wearing today Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -5

1:18pm Sat 9 Aug 14

southy says...

sophialdh wrote:
I used to use this road regularly to get to tescos from the bottom of lordswood. Now i try and avoid it all together and go the other way to sainsburys. This pot holes r prob the worst i hav seen in Southampton. If they were doing roadworks there would b a sign Up warning you of a ramp for the bump.. on rare occasions when i do have to go that way for my sons medicine from the chemist i must admit i try and avoid them. If there is traffic though then i slow roght down to about 5mph to avoid damaging my car.. we had potholes down woburn road which were smaller but they got overfilled so its still bumpy but least its not a ditch type of bump i guess this road was done as its used more often and carries more traffic... I think the holes on this side of coxford road are awful and to be honest understand and agree o
it does seem like that road has been forgotten
If you live in the bottom of Lordswood your taking the long way round are you not, Lordshill ways would be the shorter route if you live at the top of Lordswoods Hous Est
[quote][p][bold]sophialdh[/bold] wrote: I used to use this road regularly to get to tescos from the bottom of lordswood. Now i try and avoid it all together and go the other way to sainsburys. This pot holes r prob the worst i hav seen in Southampton. If they were doing roadworks there would b a sign Up warning you of a ramp for the bump.. on rare occasions when i do have to go that way for my sons medicine from the chemist i must admit i try and avoid them. If there is traffic though then i slow roght down to about 5mph to avoid damaging my car.. we had potholes down woburn road which were smaller but they got overfilled so its still bumpy but least its not a ditch type of bump i guess this road was done as its used more often and carries more traffic... I think the holes on this side of coxford road are awful and to be honest understand and agree o it does seem like that road has been forgotten[/p][/quote]If you live in the bottom of Lordswood your taking the long way round are you not, Lordshill ways would be the shorter route if you live at the top of Lordswoods Hous Est southy
  • Score: -5

1:56pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
You could probably say this about most roads in the city. The east side is falling to bits, the council just take our money and run
They Dont have any civic pride any more.
Pride is one thing ....... Money is the other
I doubt if as resident apologist of NuLabour on this site you would have used the same misleading and lame excuse if Southampton Council was under Tory control.

Council is having financial problems because of various reasons, and as a socialist it doesn't give me any pleasure in saying that the NuLabourite councillors who have betrayed virtally all Labour values have most miserably failed to address those, and while trying to behave like Tories the arrogant mob led by Cllr. Simon Letts is performing even worse than the disaster under Conservatives Cllr. Smith.

As another comment explains cost of road repairs has gone up because work is done not by council workers but by a big business whose main aims are to decrease costs/spending on repairs and increase profits. But Cllr. Letts and co have no intention to stop engaging likes of Befour and Capita.

Council also employs less workers but too many fat cats, and waste plenty of money on consultants, probably because the councillors themselves only know how to pretend to be important and be arrogant while looking after themselves while enjoying various junkets, but don't know how to engage their brains to understand the simple problems like pot holes and simple solutions for those i.e. Fill with bit of that black stuff

The decreased contribution from central government towards local council financial pot is also part of the problem, but the current Coaltion govt of unprincipled Lib-Dem and the Tories are not the only ones to financially punish the Councils. The NuLabour under Blair and Brown also implemented the same stupid policies which were introduced under Thatcher.

Answer to the financial problem is for our gutless councillors to show some courage and stand up to the govt in London, and demand the money for road repairs and other services.

The road users are paying more than enough through road tax, fuel taxes and other charges including collections through greed/speed/safety cameras etc, they are not asking too much in return but only road without pot holes.

Shame on Cllr. Simon Letts led NuLabour Council, which can't even fill these pot holes
Isnt that how politics work Paramjit ........ I defend Labour and complain about Tories...
.
You defend Thomas and Morrell and complain about others ...... the difference is what exactly ......
.
Does that now make you a TUSC, .. or Idependent Cllrs, .. or Labour Councillor Against Cuts or .. or Councillors Against Cuts, or Socialist Party ...... .. ... apologist ?? ...... Not sure which label Morrell and Thomas are wearing today
Dear LR, surely you are fully aware that I am not member of any political party, but as an old socialist only tell the truth, the way I see it without any bias and will give credit even to opponents if they deserve. The fact I support Alan Whitehead MP, although he is from New Labour Party is the proof.

Yes I have sympathy with aims of Socialist Labour Party dominated TUSC, because they campaign against cuts in public services, and fully support Don and Keith not because we are old mates from our Labour Party days but because Don has always worked very hard to serve the people of Coxford, even when he was not a councillor, and Keith is doing the same, unlike the NuLabour councillor of same ward.

Pity as intelligent and well informed person you like few others let your loyalty to a political party, (which is not what it used to be, but has become virtual Tory Party) dictate what you write.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: You could probably say this about most roads in the city. The east side is falling to bits, the council just take our money and run They Dont have any civic pride any more.[/p][/quote]Pride is one thing ....... Money is the other[/p][/quote]I doubt if as resident apologist of NuLabour on this site you would have used the same misleading and lame excuse if Southampton Council was under Tory control. Council is having financial problems because of various reasons, and as a socialist it doesn't give me any pleasure in saying that the NuLabourite councillors who have betrayed virtally all Labour values have most miserably failed to address those, and while trying to behave like Tories the arrogant mob led by Cllr. Simon Letts is performing even worse than the disaster under Conservatives Cllr. Smith. As another comment explains cost of road repairs has gone up because work is done not by council workers but by a big business whose main aims are to decrease costs/spending on repairs and increase profits. But Cllr. Letts and co have no intention to stop engaging likes of Befour and Capita. Council also employs less workers but too many fat cats, and waste plenty of money on consultants, probably because the councillors themselves only know how to pretend to be important and be arrogant while looking after themselves while enjoying various junkets, but don't know how to engage their brains to understand the simple problems like pot holes and simple solutions for those i.e. Fill with bit of that black stuff The decreased contribution from central government towards local council financial pot is also part of the problem, but the current Coaltion govt of unprincipled Lib-Dem and the Tories are not the only ones to financially punish the Councils. The NuLabour under Blair and Brown also implemented the same stupid policies which were introduced under Thatcher. Answer to the financial problem is for our gutless councillors to show some courage and stand up to the govt in London, and demand the money for road repairs and other services. The road users are paying more than enough through road tax, fuel taxes and other charges including collections through greed/speed/safety cameras etc, they are not asking too much in return but only road without pot holes. Shame on Cllr. Simon Letts led NuLabour Council, which can't even fill these pot holes[/p][/quote]Isnt that how politics work Paramjit ........ I defend Labour and complain about Tories... . You defend Thomas and Morrell and complain about others ...... the difference is what exactly ...... . Does that now make you a TUSC, .. or Idependent Cllrs, .. or Labour Councillor Against Cuts or .. or Councillors Against Cuts, or Socialist Party ...... .. ... apologist ?? ...... Not sure which label Morrell and Thomas are wearing today[/p][/quote]Dear LR, surely you are fully aware that I am not member of any political party, but as an old socialist only tell the truth, the way I see it without any bias and will give credit even to opponents if they deserve. The fact I support Alan Whitehead MP, although he is from New Labour Party is the proof. Yes I have sympathy with aims of Socialist Labour Party dominated TUSC, because they campaign against cuts in public services, and fully support Don and Keith not because we are old mates from our Labour Party days but because Don has always worked very hard to serve the people of Coxford, even when he was not a councillor, and Keith is doing the same, unlike the NuLabour councillor of same ward. Pity as intelligent and well informed person you like few others let your loyalty to a political party, (which is not what it used to be, but has become virtual Tory Party) dictate what you write. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 1

1:59pm Sat 9 Aug 14

sass says...

Slow down you speed demons!
Slow down you speed demons! sass
  • Score: 4

3:58pm Sat 9 Aug 14

CHIMPANZEE says...

I travel to many reputedly corrupt councils and Governments worldwide but I do find their roads at least in the urban areas far better maintained than the City of Southampton. Who can we bribe in Southampton? Our councillors are blind to see any thing except near election time. When the huge gang does turn up they merely draw a chalked circle over the pot hole and leave. May be our highway persons are incompetent or blind!!
I travel to many reputedly corrupt councils and Governments worldwide but I do find their roads at least in the urban areas far better maintained than the City of Southampton. Who can we bribe in Southampton? Our councillors are blind to see any thing except near election time. When the huge gang does turn up they merely draw a chalked circle over the pot hole and leave. May be our highway persons are incompetent or blind!! CHIMPANZEE
  • Score: 2

4:34pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
You could probably say this about most roads in the city. The east side is falling to bits, the council just take our money and run
They Dont have any civic pride any more.
Pride is one thing ....... Money is the other
I doubt if as resident apologist of NuLabour on this site you would have used the same misleading and lame excuse if Southampton Council was under Tory control.

Council is having financial problems because of various reasons, and as a socialist it doesn't give me any pleasure in saying that the NuLabourite councillors who have betrayed virtally all Labour values have most miserably failed to address those, and while trying to behave like Tories the arrogant mob led by Cllr. Simon Letts is performing even worse than the disaster under Conservatives Cllr. Smith.

As another comment explains cost of road repairs has gone up because work is done not by council workers but by a big business whose main aims are to decrease costs/spending on repairs and increase profits. But Cllr. Letts and co have no intention to stop engaging likes of Befour and Capita.

Council also employs less workers but too many fat cats, and waste plenty of money on consultants, probably because the councillors themselves only know how to pretend to be important and be arrogant while looking after themselves while enjoying various junkets, but don't know how to engage their brains to understand the simple problems like pot holes and simple solutions for those i.e. Fill with bit of that black stuff

The decreased contribution from central government towards local council financial pot is also part of the problem, but the current Coaltion govt of unprincipled Lib-Dem and the Tories are not the only ones to financially punish the Councils. The NuLabour under Blair and Brown also implemented the same stupid policies which were introduced under Thatcher.

Answer to the financial problem is for our gutless councillors to show some courage and stand up to the govt in London, and demand the money for road repairs and other services.

The road users are paying more than enough through road tax, fuel taxes and other charges including collections through greed/speed/safety cameras etc, they are not asking too much in return but only road without pot holes.

Shame on Cllr. Simon Letts led NuLabour Council, which can't even fill these pot holes
Isnt that how politics work Paramjit ........ I defend Labour and complain about Tories...
.
You defend Thomas and Morrell and complain about others ...... the difference is what exactly ......
.
Does that now make you a TUSC, .. or Idependent Cllrs, .. or Labour Councillor Against Cuts or .. or Councillors Against Cuts, or Socialist Party ...... .. ... apologist ?? ...... Not sure which label Morrell and Thomas are wearing today
Dear LR, surely you are fully aware that I am not member of any political party, but as an old socialist only tell the truth, the way I see it without any bias and will give credit even to opponents if they deserve. The fact I support Alan Whitehead MP, although he is from New Labour Party is the proof.

Yes I have sympathy with aims of Socialist Labour Party dominated TUSC, because they campaign against cuts in public services, and fully support Don and Keith not because we are old mates from our Labour Party days but because Don has always worked very hard to serve the people of Coxford, even when he was not a councillor, and Keith is doing the same, unlike the NuLabour councillor of same ward.

Pity as intelligent and well informed person you like few others let your loyalty to a political party, (which is not what it used to be, but has become virtual Tory Party) dictate what you write.
I am aware that you are not a member of any political party ....... There again if you read my post i never ststed that you were
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: You could probably say this about most roads in the city. The east side is falling to bits, the council just take our money and run They Dont have any civic pride any more.[/p][/quote]Pride is one thing ....... Money is the other[/p][/quote]I doubt if as resident apologist of NuLabour on this site you would have used the same misleading and lame excuse if Southampton Council was under Tory control. Council is having financial problems because of various reasons, and as a socialist it doesn't give me any pleasure in saying that the NuLabourite councillors who have betrayed virtally all Labour values have most miserably failed to address those, and while trying to behave like Tories the arrogant mob led by Cllr. Simon Letts is performing even worse than the disaster under Conservatives Cllr. Smith. As another comment explains cost of road repairs has gone up because work is done not by council workers but by a big business whose main aims are to decrease costs/spending on repairs and increase profits. But Cllr. Letts and co have no intention to stop engaging likes of Befour and Capita. Council also employs less workers but too many fat cats, and waste plenty of money on consultants, probably because the councillors themselves only know how to pretend to be important and be arrogant while looking after themselves while enjoying various junkets, but don't know how to engage their brains to understand the simple problems like pot holes and simple solutions for those i.e. Fill with bit of that black stuff The decreased contribution from central government towards local council financial pot is also part of the problem, but the current Coaltion govt of unprincipled Lib-Dem and the Tories are not the only ones to financially punish the Councils. The NuLabour under Blair and Brown also implemented the same stupid policies which were introduced under Thatcher. Answer to the financial problem is for our gutless councillors to show some courage and stand up to the govt in London, and demand the money for road repairs and other services. The road users are paying more than enough through road tax, fuel taxes and other charges including collections through greed/speed/safety cameras etc, they are not asking too much in return but only road without pot holes. Shame on Cllr. Simon Letts led NuLabour Council, which can't even fill these pot holes[/p][/quote]Isnt that how politics work Paramjit ........ I defend Labour and complain about Tories... . You defend Thomas and Morrell and complain about others ...... the difference is what exactly ...... . Does that now make you a TUSC, .. or Idependent Cllrs, .. or Labour Councillor Against Cuts or .. or Councillors Against Cuts, or Socialist Party ...... .. ... apologist ?? ...... Not sure which label Morrell and Thomas are wearing today[/p][/quote]Dear LR, surely you are fully aware that I am not member of any political party, but as an old socialist only tell the truth, the way I see it without any bias and will give credit even to opponents if they deserve. The fact I support Alan Whitehead MP, although he is from New Labour Party is the proof. Yes I have sympathy with aims of Socialist Labour Party dominated TUSC, because they campaign against cuts in public services, and fully support Don and Keith not because we are old mates from our Labour Party days but because Don has always worked very hard to serve the people of Coxford, even when he was not a councillor, and Keith is doing the same, unlike the NuLabour councillor of same ward. Pity as intelligent and well informed person you like few others let your loyalty to a political party, (which is not what it used to be, but has become virtual Tory Party) dictate what you write.[/p][/quote]I am aware that you are not a member of any political party ....... There again if you read my post i never ststed that you were Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -3

6:05pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Kirsty666 says...

Hampshire Rose wrote:
Sorry to disagree but for once the council are not to blame. Balfour Beatty have a rolling contact to repair all potholes in the city irrespective of how many.
The council could and probably should resurface the entire stretch of road but individual potholes are not their responsibility.
When you see a white cross painted on the road it means it is due to be done. The entire city infrastructure should have a white cross as so many roads are a dangerous disgrace
The council are to blame as they employ Balfour Beatty as a subcontractor to do their work rather than employ their own people to do it
[quote][p][bold]Hampshire Rose[/bold] wrote: Sorry to disagree but for once the council are not to blame. Balfour Beatty have a rolling contact to repair all potholes in the city irrespective of how many. The council could and probably should resurface the entire stretch of road but individual potholes are not their responsibility. When you see a white cross painted on the road it means it is due to be done. The entire city infrastructure should have a white cross as so many roads are a dangerous disgrace[/p][/quote]The council are to blame as they employ Balfour Beatty as a subcontractor to do their work rather than employ their own people to do it Kirsty666
  • Score: 0

6:12pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
You could probably say this about most roads in the city. The east side is falling to bits, the council just take our money and run
They Dont have any civic pride any more.
Pride is one thing ....... Money is the other
I doubt if as resident apologist of NuLabour on this site you would have used the same misleading and lame excuse if Southampton Council was under Tory control.

Council is having financial problems because of various reasons, and as a socialist it doesn't give me any pleasure in saying that the NuLabourite councillors who have betrayed virtally all Labour values have most miserably failed to address those, and while trying to behave like Tories the arrogant mob led by Cllr. Simon Letts is performing even worse than the disaster under Conservatives Cllr. Smith.

As another comment explains cost of road repairs has gone up because work is done not by council workers but by a big business whose main aims are to decrease costs/spending on repairs and increase profits. But Cllr. Letts and co have no intention to stop engaging likes of Befour and Capita.

Council also employs less workers but too many fat cats, and waste plenty of money on consultants, probably because the councillors themselves only know how to pretend to be important and be arrogant while looking after themselves while enjoying various junkets, but don't know how to engage their brains to understand the simple problems like pot holes and simple solutions for those i.e. Fill with bit of that black stuff

The decreased contribution from central government towards local council financial pot is also part of the problem, but the current Coaltion govt of unprincipled Lib-Dem and the Tories are not the only ones to financially punish the Councils. The NuLabour under Blair and Brown also implemented the same stupid policies which were introduced under Thatcher.

Answer to the financial problem is for our gutless councillors to show some courage and stand up to the govt in London, and demand the money for road repairs and other services.

The road users are paying more than enough through road tax, fuel taxes and other charges including collections through greed/speed/safety cameras etc, they are not asking too much in return but only road without pot holes.

Shame on Cllr. Simon Letts led NuLabour Council, which can't even fill these pot holes
Isnt that how politics work Paramjit ........ I defend Labour and complain about Tories...
.
You defend Thomas and Morrell and complain about others ...... the difference is what exactly ......
.
Does that now make you a TUSC, .. or Idependent Cllrs, .. or Labour Councillor Against Cuts or .. or Councillors Against Cuts, or Socialist Party ...... .. ... apologist ?? ...... Not sure which label Morrell and Thomas are wearing today
Dear LR, surely you are fully aware that I am not member of any political party, but as an old socialist only tell the truth, the way I see it without any bias and will give credit even to opponents if they deserve. The fact I support Alan Whitehead MP, although he is from New Labour Party is the proof.

Yes I have sympathy with aims of Socialist Labour Party dominated TUSC, because they campaign against cuts in public services, and fully support Don and Keith not because we are old mates from our Labour Party days but because Don has always worked very hard to serve the people of Coxford, even when he was not a councillor, and Keith is doing the same, unlike the NuLabour councillor of same ward.

Pity as intelligent and well informed person you like few others let your loyalty to a political party, (which is not what it used to be, but has become virtual Tory Party) dictate what you write.
I am aware that you are not a member of any political party ....... There again if you read my post i never ststed that you were
Yes on that one you are right. Sorry for jumping the gun
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: You could probably say this about most roads in the city. The east side is falling to bits, the council just take our money and run They Dont have any civic pride any more.[/p][/quote]Pride is one thing ....... Money is the other[/p][/quote]I doubt if as resident apologist of NuLabour on this site you would have used the same misleading and lame excuse if Southampton Council was under Tory control. Council is having financial problems because of various reasons, and as a socialist it doesn't give me any pleasure in saying that the NuLabourite councillors who have betrayed virtally all Labour values have most miserably failed to address those, and while trying to behave like Tories the arrogant mob led by Cllr. Simon Letts is performing even worse than the disaster under Conservatives Cllr. Smith. As another comment explains cost of road repairs has gone up because work is done not by council workers but by a big business whose main aims are to decrease costs/spending on repairs and increase profits. But Cllr. Letts and co have no intention to stop engaging likes of Befour and Capita. Council also employs less workers but too many fat cats, and waste plenty of money on consultants, probably because the councillors themselves only know how to pretend to be important and be arrogant while looking after themselves while enjoying various junkets, but don't know how to engage their brains to understand the simple problems like pot holes and simple solutions for those i.e. Fill with bit of that black stuff The decreased contribution from central government towards local council financial pot is also part of the problem, but the current Coaltion govt of unprincipled Lib-Dem and the Tories are not the only ones to financially punish the Councils. The NuLabour under Blair and Brown also implemented the same stupid policies which were introduced under Thatcher. Answer to the financial problem is for our gutless councillors to show some courage and stand up to the govt in London, and demand the money for road repairs and other services. The road users are paying more than enough through road tax, fuel taxes and other charges including collections through greed/speed/safety cameras etc, they are not asking too much in return but only road without pot holes. Shame on Cllr. Simon Letts led NuLabour Council, which can't even fill these pot holes[/p][/quote]Isnt that how politics work Paramjit ........ I defend Labour and complain about Tories... . You defend Thomas and Morrell and complain about others ...... the difference is what exactly ...... . Does that now make you a TUSC, .. or Idependent Cllrs, .. or Labour Councillor Against Cuts or .. or Councillors Against Cuts, or Socialist Party ...... .. ... apologist ?? ...... Not sure which label Morrell and Thomas are wearing today[/p][/quote]Dear LR, surely you are fully aware that I am not member of any political party, but as an old socialist only tell the truth, the way I see it without any bias and will give credit even to opponents if they deserve. The fact I support Alan Whitehead MP, although he is from New Labour Party is the proof. Yes I have sympathy with aims of Socialist Labour Party dominated TUSC, because they campaign against cuts in public services, and fully support Don and Keith not because we are old mates from our Labour Party days but because Don has always worked very hard to serve the people of Coxford, even when he was not a councillor, and Keith is doing the same, unlike the NuLabour councillor of same ward. Pity as intelligent and well informed person you like few others let your loyalty to a political party, (which is not what it used to be, but has become virtual Tory Party) dictate what you write.[/p][/quote]I am aware that you are not a member of any political party ....... There again if you read my post i never ststed that you were[/p][/quote]Yes on that one you are right. Sorry for jumping the gun Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 1

6:25pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Saint_rob says...

Maybe we should all stop paying our road tax, as they are not fit for purpose?
Maybe we should all stop paying our road tax, as they are not fit for purpose? Saint_rob
  • Score: 3

6:54pm Sat 9 Aug 14

redsnapper says...

Councillors and councils are a complete waste of money. 25% of everyone's council tax goes straight into their pension pots.

The hopeless jobsworths just sit around doing nothing having meetings about meetings.
Councillors and councils are a complete waste of money. 25% of everyone's council tax goes straight into their pension pots. The hopeless jobsworths just sit around doing nothing having meetings about meetings. redsnapper
  • Score: 5

7:45pm Sat 9 Aug 14

southamptonadi says...

Saint_rob wrote:
Maybe we should all stop paying our road tax, as they are not fit for purpose?
We all know road tax does not pay for roads, and not a cyclist in sight.
[quote][p][bold]Saint_rob[/bold] wrote: Maybe we should all stop paying our road tax, as they are not fit for purpose?[/p][/quote]We all know road tax does not pay for roads, and not a cyclist in sight. southamptonadi
  • Score: 1

7:46pm Sat 9 Aug 14

southamptonadi says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
It will be interesting if Echo try to find out condition of road outside Cllr. Jacqi Rayment's residence, because that may be free from pot holes, just like road outside Civic Centre and it's car park, where councillors and fat cats park, obviously free
Didn't they resurface the road around the civic last year before the boat show?
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: It will be interesting if Echo try to find out condition of road outside Cllr. Jacqi Rayment's residence, because that may be free from pot holes, just like road outside Civic Centre and it's car park, where councillors and fat cats park, obviously free[/p][/quote]Didn't they resurface the road around the civic last year before the boat show? southamptonadi
  • Score: 3

7:48pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Niel says...

I've been complaining to the councils, county and city, about different roads for years, then I discovered FIXMYSTREET. The councils hate FixMyStreet as it is publicly searchable and admissible as evidence they had been informed of a defect, enabling claims for damage to be made against them.

Have a look, if it's not already reported, do it, but don't comment on others reports as that doesn't generate another report...
I've been complaining to the councils, county and city, about different roads for years, then I discovered FIXMYSTREET. The councils hate FixMyStreet as it is publicly searchable and admissible as evidence they had been informed of a defect, enabling claims for damage to be made against them. Have a look, if it's not already reported, do it, but don't comment on others reports as that doesn't generate another report... Niel
  • Score: 4

8:01pm Sat 9 Aug 14

03alpe01 says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
You could probably say this about most roads in the city. The east side is falling to bits, the council just take our money and run
They Dont have any civic pride any more.
Pride is one thing ....... Money is the other
I doubt if as resident apologist of NuLabour on this site you would have used the same misleading and lame excuse if Southampton Council was under Tory control.

Council is having financial problems because of various reasons, and as a socialist it doesn't give me any pleasure in saying that the NuLabourite councillors who have betrayed virtally all Labour values have most miserably failed to address those, and while trying to behave like Tories the arrogant mob led by Cllr. Simon Letts is performing even worse than the disaster under Conservatives Cllr. Smith.

As another comment explains cost of road repairs has gone up because work is done not by council workers but by a big business whose main aims are to decrease costs/spending on repairs and increase profits. But Cllr. Letts and co have no intention to stop engaging likes of Befour and Capita.

Council also employs less workers but too many fat cats, and waste plenty of money on consultants, probably because the councillors themselves only know how to pretend to be important and be arrogant while looking after themselves while enjoying various junkets, but don't know how to engage their brains to understand the simple problems like pot holes and simple solutions for those i.e. Fill with bit of that black stuff

The decreased contribution from central government towards local council financial pot is also part of the problem, but the current Coaltion govt of unprincipled Lib-Dem and the Tories are not the only ones to financially punish the Councils. The NuLabour under Blair and Brown also implemented the same stupid policies which were introduced under Thatcher.

Answer to the financial problem is for our gutless councillors to show some courage and stand up to the govt in London, and demand the money for road repairs and other services.

The road users are paying more than enough through road tax, fuel taxes and other charges including collections through greed/speed/safety cameras etc, they are not asking too much in return but only road without pot holes.

Shame on Cllr. Simon Letts led NuLabour Council, which can't even fill these pot holes
Must always mention NuLabour!
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: You could probably say this about most roads in the city. The east side is falling to bits, the council just take our money and run They Dont have any civic pride any more.[/p][/quote]Pride is one thing ....... Money is the other[/p][/quote]I doubt if as resident apologist of NuLabour on this site you would have used the same misleading and lame excuse if Southampton Council was under Tory control. Council is having financial problems because of various reasons, and as a socialist it doesn't give me any pleasure in saying that the NuLabourite councillors who have betrayed virtally all Labour values have most miserably failed to address those, and while trying to behave like Tories the arrogant mob led by Cllr. Simon Letts is performing even worse than the disaster under Conservatives Cllr. Smith. As another comment explains cost of road repairs has gone up because work is done not by council workers but by a big business whose main aims are to decrease costs/spending on repairs and increase profits. But Cllr. Letts and co have no intention to stop engaging likes of Befour and Capita. Council also employs less workers but too many fat cats, and waste plenty of money on consultants, probably because the councillors themselves only know how to pretend to be important and be arrogant while looking after themselves while enjoying various junkets, but don't know how to engage their brains to understand the simple problems like pot holes and simple solutions for those i.e. Fill with bit of that black stuff The decreased contribution from central government towards local council financial pot is also part of the problem, but the current Coaltion govt of unprincipled Lib-Dem and the Tories are not the only ones to financially punish the Councils. The NuLabour under Blair and Brown also implemented the same stupid policies which were introduced under Thatcher. Answer to the financial problem is for our gutless councillors to show some courage and stand up to the govt in London, and demand the money for road repairs and other services. The road users are paying more than enough through road tax, fuel taxes and other charges including collections through greed/speed/safety cameras etc, they are not asking too much in return but only road without pot holes. Shame on Cllr. Simon Letts led NuLabour Council, which can't even fill these pot holes[/p][/quote]Must always mention NuLabour! 03alpe01
  • Score: 1

8:28pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

These potholes have now caused over £100's worth of damage to my bike by destroying my wheels, surely it's not right that I have to repair/replace my wheels every 6 months because the council think the potholes aren't deep enough, sorry but modern roads were lobbied for by cyclists to be RID of dangerous road surfaces, get rid of Balfour cowboys and re-employ the Councils own Highway maintenance staff with teams covering their own zones, like they do with mowing and street cleansing, maybe that way, things are more likely to get done properly.
These potholes have now caused over £100's worth of damage to my bike by destroying my wheels, surely it's not right that I have to repair/replace my wheels every 6 months because the council think the potholes aren't deep enough, sorry but modern roads were lobbied for by cyclists to be RID of dangerous road surfaces, get rid of Balfour cowboys and re-employ the Councils own Highway maintenance staff with teams covering their own zones, like they do with mowing and street cleansing, maybe that way, things are more likely to get done properly. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

12:52am Sun 10 Aug 14

snapperdownunder says...

Hampshire Rose wrote:
Sorry to disagree but for once the council are not to blame. Balfour Beatty have a rolling contact to repair all potholes in the city irrespective of how many.
The council could and probably should resurface the entire stretch of road but individual potholes are not their responsibility.
When you see a white cross painted on the road it means it is due to be done. The entire city infrastructure should have a white cross as so many roads are a dangerous disgrace
Soon the white crosses will signify a death from the sound of things. White crosses along a road signify just that where I am currently residing.
[quote][p][bold]Hampshire Rose[/bold] wrote: Sorry to disagree but for once the council are not to blame. Balfour Beatty have a rolling contact to repair all potholes in the city irrespective of how many. The council could and probably should resurface the entire stretch of road but individual potholes are not their responsibility. When you see a white cross painted on the road it means it is due to be done. The entire city infrastructure should have a white cross as so many roads are a dangerous disgrace[/p][/quote]Soon the white crosses will signify a death from the sound of things. White crosses along a road signify just that where I am currently residing. snapperdownunder
  • Score: 2

2:02am Sun 10 Aug 14

Pikey Pete says...

On my travels...LOL. I met a guy who once lived in Southampton. He now lives in Spain.

I was delivering to him in Barcelona. He said he was going to create 50 -100 real jobs in Southampton with this new technology they have.

When he came to visit units in Soton they were brilliant for what was required but what stoped them was the 5 hours it took from Gatwick because of traffic. And then going back to Spain from Soton to Alicante they missed the flight because of traffic.

Now imagine if he came back again and saw all the pot holes. I thought Spain was 3rd world but they have the best road networks anywhere.
On my travels...LOL. I met a guy who once lived in Southampton. He now lives in Spain. I was delivering to him in Barcelona. He said he was going to create 50 -100 real jobs in Southampton with this new technology they have. When he came to visit units in Soton they were brilliant for what was required but what stoped them was the 5 hours it took from Gatwick because of traffic. And then going back to Spain from Soton to Alicante they missed the flight because of traffic. Now imagine if he came back again and saw all the pot holes. I thought Spain was 3rd world but they have the best road networks anywhere. Pikey Pete
  • Score: 2

10:25am Sun 10 Aug 14

Niel says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
These potholes have now caused over £100's worth of damage to my bike by destroying my wheels, surely it's not right that I have to repair/replace my wheels every 6 months because the council think the potholes aren't deep enough, sorry but modern roads were lobbied for by cyclists to be RID of dangerous road surfaces, get rid of Balfour cowboys and re-employ the Councils own Highway maintenance staff with teams covering their own zones, like they do with mowing and street cleansing, maybe that way, things are more likely to get done properly.
Sadly the standard road surface tests are still based on a towed trailer measurement device from the 50's, and are for 4 wheeled vehicle 'ride quality'. Those of us on two wheels, no matter the power source, didn't matter then, though the road engineering guidance has been updated, the councils contractors contract predates the update most probably and until it's renewed nothing will change until the council legal dept updates the spec.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: These potholes have now caused over £100's worth of damage to my bike by destroying my wheels, surely it's not right that I have to repair/replace my wheels every 6 months because the council think the potholes aren't deep enough, sorry but modern roads were lobbied for by cyclists to be RID of dangerous road surfaces, get rid of Balfour cowboys and re-employ the Councils own Highway maintenance staff with teams covering their own zones, like they do with mowing and street cleansing, maybe that way, things are more likely to get done properly.[/p][/quote]Sadly the standard road surface tests are still based on a towed trailer measurement device from the 50's, and are for 4 wheeled vehicle 'ride quality'. Those of us on two wheels, no matter the power source, didn't matter then, though the road engineering guidance has been updated, the councils contractors contract predates the update most probably and until it's renewed nothing will change until the council legal dept updates the spec. Niel
  • Score: 1

10:29am Sun 10 Aug 14

Saint_rob says...

southamptonadi wrote:
Saint_rob wrote:
Maybe we should all stop paying our road tax, as they are not fit for purpose?
We all know road tax does not pay for roads, and not a cyclist in sight.
And that is the start of the problem.
[quote][p][bold]southamptonadi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint_rob[/bold] wrote: Maybe we should all stop paying our road tax, as they are not fit for purpose?[/p][/quote]We all know road tax does not pay for roads, and not a cyclist in sight.[/p][/quote]And that is the start of the problem. Saint_rob
  • Score: 2

10:45am Sun 10 Aug 14

southy says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
You could probably say this about most roads in the city. The east side is falling to bits, the council just take our money and run
They Dont have any civic pride any more.
Pride is one thing ....... Money is the other
I doubt if as resident apologist of NuLabour on this site you would have used the same misleading and lame excuse if Southampton Council was under Tory control.

Council is having financial problems because of various reasons, and as a socialist it doesn't give me any pleasure in saying that the NuLabourite councillors who have betrayed virtally all Labour values have most miserably failed to address those, and while trying to behave like Tories the arrogant mob led by Cllr. Simon Letts is performing even worse than the disaster under Conservatives Cllr. Smith.

As another comment explains cost of road repairs has gone up because work is done not by council workers but by a big business whose main aims are to decrease costs/spending on repairs and increase profits. But Cllr. Letts and co have no intention to stop engaging likes of Befour and Capita.

Council also employs less workers but too many fat cats, and waste plenty of money on consultants, probably because the councillors themselves only know how to pretend to be important and be arrogant while looking after themselves while enjoying various junkets, but don't know how to engage their brains to understand the simple problems like pot holes and simple solutions for those i.e. Fill with bit of that black stuff

The decreased contribution from central government towards local council financial pot is also part of the problem, but the current Coaltion govt of unprincipled Lib-Dem and the Tories are not the only ones to financially punish the Councils. The NuLabour under Blair and Brown also implemented the same stupid policies which were introduced under Thatcher.

Answer to the financial problem is for our gutless councillors to show some courage and stand up to the govt in London, and demand the money for road repairs and other services.

The road users are paying more than enough through road tax, fuel taxes and other charges including collections through greed/speed/safety cameras etc, they are not asking too much in return but only road without pot holes.

Shame on Cllr. Simon Letts led NuLabour Council, which can't even fill these pot holes
Must always mention NuLabour!
Well you put the blame where it belongs and not try to cover it up or pass the buck to others
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: You could probably say this about most roads in the city. The east side is falling to bits, the council just take our money and run They Dont have any civic pride any more.[/p][/quote]Pride is one thing ....... Money is the other[/p][/quote]I doubt if as resident apologist of NuLabour on this site you would have used the same misleading and lame excuse if Southampton Council was under Tory control. Council is having financial problems because of various reasons, and as a socialist it doesn't give me any pleasure in saying that the NuLabourite councillors who have betrayed virtally all Labour values have most miserably failed to address those, and while trying to behave like Tories the arrogant mob led by Cllr. Simon Letts is performing even worse than the disaster under Conservatives Cllr. Smith. As another comment explains cost of road repairs has gone up because work is done not by council workers but by a big business whose main aims are to decrease costs/spending on repairs and increase profits. But Cllr. Letts and co have no intention to stop engaging likes of Befour and Capita. Council also employs less workers but too many fat cats, and waste plenty of money on consultants, probably because the councillors themselves only know how to pretend to be important and be arrogant while looking after themselves while enjoying various junkets, but don't know how to engage their brains to understand the simple problems like pot holes and simple solutions for those i.e. Fill with bit of that black stuff The decreased contribution from central government towards local council financial pot is also part of the problem, but the current Coaltion govt of unprincipled Lib-Dem and the Tories are not the only ones to financially punish the Councils. The NuLabour under Blair and Brown also implemented the same stupid policies which were introduced under Thatcher. Answer to the financial problem is for our gutless councillors to show some courage and stand up to the govt in London, and demand the money for road repairs and other services. The road users are paying more than enough through road tax, fuel taxes and other charges including collections through greed/speed/safety cameras etc, they are not asking too much in return but only road without pot holes. Shame on Cllr. Simon Letts led NuLabour Council, which can't even fill these pot holes[/p][/quote]Must always mention NuLabour![/p][/quote]Well you put the blame where it belongs and not try to cover it up or pass the buck to others southy
  • Score: 0

7:42pm Sun 10 Aug 14

sophialdh says...

southy wrote:
sophialdh wrote:
I used to use this road regularly to get to tescos from the bottom of lordswood. Now i try and avoid it all together and go the other way to sainsburys. This pot holes r prob the worst i hav seen in Southampton. If they were doing roadworks there would b a sign Up warning you of a ramp for the bump.. on rare occasions when i do have to go that way for my sons medicine from the chemist i must admit i try and avoid them. If there is traffic though then i slow roght down to about 5mph to avoid damaging my car.. we had potholes down woburn road which were smaller but they got overfilled so its still bumpy but least its not a ditch type of bump i guess this road was done as its used more often and carries more traffic... I think the holes on this side of coxford road are awful and to be honest understand and agree o
it does seem like that road has been forgotten
If you live in the bottom of Lordswood your taking the long way round are you not, Lordshill ways would be the shorter route if you live at the top of Lordswoods Hous Est
Both ways r about the same. From the junction out of sandpiper dunvegan drive is immediately to my left... y use the main road and wait at traffic lights if i dont have too.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sophialdh[/bold] wrote: I used to use this road regularly to get to tescos from the bottom of lordswood. Now i try and avoid it all together and go the other way to sainsburys. This pot holes r prob the worst i hav seen in Southampton. If they were doing roadworks there would b a sign Up warning you of a ramp for the bump.. on rare occasions when i do have to go that way for my sons medicine from the chemist i must admit i try and avoid them. If there is traffic though then i slow roght down to about 5mph to avoid damaging my car.. we had potholes down woburn road which were smaller but they got overfilled so its still bumpy but least its not a ditch type of bump i guess this road was done as its used more often and carries more traffic... I think the holes on this side of coxford road are awful and to be honest understand and agree o it does seem like that road has been forgotten[/p][/quote]If you live in the bottom of Lordswood your taking the long way round are you not, Lordshill ways would be the shorter route if you live at the top of Lordswoods Hous Est[/p][/quote]Both ways r about the same. From the junction out of sandpiper dunvegan drive is immediately to my left... y use the main road and wait at traffic lights if i dont have too. sophialdh
  • Score: 0

9:08pm Sun 10 Aug 14

huckit P says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
You could probably say this about most roads in the city. The east side is falling to bits, the council just take our money and run
They Dont have any civic pride any more.
This is due to central government funding cuts,not lack of desire to fix it. While George Osborne uses public services as a cash cow to pay off the deficit caused by the bankers, public services of all types are suffering, not just roads.
Rubbish! Nothing to do with George Osborne and his cronies. It is to do with Southampton City Council together with HCC and their respective contractors. Just wait until closer to general and local elections and then see how many potholes get filled. Strange that they can always find enough funds around those times.
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: You could probably say this about most roads in the city. The east side is falling to bits, the council just take our money and run They Dont have any civic pride any more.[/p][/quote]This is due to central government funding cuts,not lack of desire to fix it. While George Osborne uses public services as a cash cow to pay off the deficit caused by the bankers, public services of all types are suffering, not just roads.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! Nothing to do with George Osborne and his cronies. It is to do with Southampton City Council together with HCC and their respective contractors. Just wait until closer to general and local elections and then see how many potholes get filled. Strange that they can always find enough funds around those times. huckit P
  • Score: 1

9:46pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Niel wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
These potholes have now caused over £100's worth of damage to my bike by destroying my wheels, surely it's not right that I have to repair/replace my wheels every 6 months because the council think the potholes aren't deep enough, sorry but modern roads were lobbied for by cyclists to be RID of dangerous road surfaces, get rid of Balfour cowboys and re-employ the Councils own Highway maintenance staff with teams covering their own zones, like they do with mowing and street cleansing, maybe that way, things are more likely to get done properly.
Sadly the standard road surface tests are still based on a towed trailer measurement device from the 50's, and are for 4 wheeled vehicle 'ride quality'. Those of us on two wheels, no matter the power source, didn't matter then, though the road engineering guidance has been updated, the councils contractors contract predates the update most probably and until it's renewed nothing will change until the council legal dept updates the spec.
Pretty much sounds about right.
[quote][p][bold]Niel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: These potholes have now caused over £100's worth of damage to my bike by destroying my wheels, surely it's not right that I have to repair/replace my wheels every 6 months because the council think the potholes aren't deep enough, sorry but modern roads were lobbied for by cyclists to be RID of dangerous road surfaces, get rid of Balfour cowboys and re-employ the Councils own Highway maintenance staff with teams covering their own zones, like they do with mowing and street cleansing, maybe that way, things are more likely to get done properly.[/p][/quote]Sadly the standard road surface tests are still based on a towed trailer measurement device from the 50's, and are for 4 wheeled vehicle 'ride quality'. Those of us on two wheels, no matter the power source, didn't matter then, though the road engineering guidance has been updated, the councils contractors contract predates the update most probably and until it's renewed nothing will change until the council legal dept updates the spec.[/p][/quote]Pretty much sounds about right. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -1

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