Bus services and Hythe Ferry under threat as Hampshire County Council bids to slash £1.5m from budget

Bus services across Hampshire are under threat as the county council looks to cut £1.5m from its transport budget

Bus services across Hampshire are under threat as the county council looks to cut £1.5m from its transport budget

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AN historic ferry route and dozens of vital bus services across Hampshire are under threat as transport bosses prepare to axe financial support.

Sunday and evening services could vanish in many places and pensioners’ bus passes rendered useless before 9.30am in a bid to save £1.5m.

The centuries-old Hythe Ferry, which links the Waterside community with Southampton, is also facing an uncertain future because the £55,000 handout it relies on is also up for review.

The subsidy cutbacks come after the authority recently rubberstamped £93m of cuts which are due to be delivered by May 2015 and could see more than 1,000 jobs lost.

County bosses are now looking for feedback as they decide where the axe will fall – but campaigners already fear that vulnerable people could be cut off.

Some Sunday or evening services could have funding drastically reduced – or cut altogether – while the 9am early start for elderly people’s bus passes could be ditched.

Community transport schemes such as Dial a Ride, Call and Go and Taxishare may not be spared.

Economy, transport and environment boss Cllr Seán Woodward said: “The county council has significant budget reductions to make, and this requires us to look at all areas of spending, including the limited resources we have to support public transport services.

“We need to look very carefully at where our funding to support public transport goes, and ensure that this properly reflects community priorities and represents the best value for money, which is why we are once again consulting extensively on options before we make any final decisions.”

But campaigners say cutting bus services risks isolating many people.

Martin Abrams, from Campaign for Better Transport, said: “We are deeply concerned at the cuts to bus services across England and counties such as Hampshire.

“The single act of cutting buses can leave many older and disabled people isolated without their vital lifeline, and can deprive young people from easy access to education or training.”

Glyn Loveday, Age Concern Hampshire information and advice co-ordinator, said: “Finding affordable transport for medical appointments and other essential trips out is already a problem for many older people in Hampshire, particularly for those in rural areas.

“The proposed cuts run the risk of excluding older people on low incomes from being able to travel on public transport completely.”

Cllr Keith House, leader of the Liberal Democrat opposition group on the county council, said: “The effect is going to be dramatic. Buses are frontline services.

“Firstly we could see young people finding it uneconomic to work on Sunday and the evening. Often they might work in the retail sector so the effect of losing the service could be significant, especially at a time when we are trying to get economy going.

“Secondly we could find older people struggling to make early hospital appointments.”

Peter Lay, director of White Horse Ferries, which owns and runs the Hythe Ferry, said he understood the county council needed to save money but said the loss of the subsidy would make operating the service difficult.

He said: “It would be a dent in our income and that would cause us difficulty.

“We are keeping things lean already and it would be difficult to do any more.”

Southampton City Council leader Cllr Simon Letts said: “It is a vital link for Hythe and reduces the amount of commuters on the roads and I would urge the county to bear that in mind when they make a decision.”

Ted Vaughan, chairman of Hythe Ferry Users’ Group, said: “I do fear for its long-term future.”

Click here to see a full list of bus and ferry services under review.

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9:17am Sat 22 Mar 14

Forest Resident says...

Personally I believe the Hythe Ferry is only of significant benefit to those in the immediate vicinity of Hythe itself, to the wider area it really is not a viable alternative to using the roads. Cllr Woodward would do well to reverse his decision on the Waterside Passenger Raile Service and give both residents, visitors, and commuters a well supported public transport option that is of tangible benefit to all.
Personally I believe the Hythe Ferry is only of significant benefit to those in the immediate vicinity of Hythe itself, to the wider area it really is not a viable alternative to using the roads. Cllr Woodward would do well to reverse his decision on the Waterside Passenger Raile Service and give both residents, visitors, and commuters a well supported public transport option that is of tangible benefit to all. Forest Resident
  • Score: 0

9:44am Sat 22 Mar 14

mickey01 says...

restricting the pensioners usage of the bus pass for between 9.30 am to say 3.45 pm sounds good to start with but now that more pensioners are working to make ends meet they may need to use it at other times but on the flip side if they are working should they get free travel anyway
restricting the pensioners usage of the bus pass for between 9.30 am to say 3.45 pm sounds good to start with but now that more pensioners are working to make ends meet they may need to use it at other times but on the flip side if they are working should they get free travel anyway mickey01
  • Score: 7

9:46am Sat 22 Mar 14

skeptik says...

'More folk than ever in work' - they must be walking or using private transport then.
'More folk than ever in work' - they must be walking or using private transport then. skeptik
  • Score: 8

10:06am Sat 22 Mar 14

O_crusti says...

restricting the concessions on buses, then the companys claim less people are using services, which justifies them to cut the less profitable services.
More people seek alternative transport, bus companies complain about lack of passengers and look for ways to cut the unprofitable services. Public Transport shoudl be for the public to get around, not for 1 to 2 transport to manipulate and milk for their own gains.

PS. I use the Hythe ferry 3 or 4 times a years, I have no connection to
Hythe but it make a change from the generic city centre of Soton
restricting the concessions on buses, then the companys claim less people are using services, which justifies them to cut the less profitable services. More people seek alternative transport, bus companies complain about lack of passengers and look for ways to cut the unprofitable services. Public Transport shoudl be for the public to get around, not for 1 to 2 transport to manipulate and milk for their own gains. PS. I use the Hythe ferry 3 or 4 times a years, I have no connection to Hythe but it make a change from the generic city centre of Soton O_crusti
  • Score: 10

10:33am Sat 22 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Pensioners make use of free travel already, if they had to pay they probably couldn't, would simply stop travelling, there would be no financial impact, just putting restrictions on their movement. One of the arguments used against the Hythe Rail link was that it would affect the Hythe Ferry, well if that is going to die anyway that argument is now fatuous, everyone will have to use their own cars or join the queues on an inadequate and diminishing bus service. Hardly showing Green Credentials is it? I would prefer to see a lowering of payments to these Councillors who seem to be incapable of delivering what we require of them.
Pensioners make use of free travel already, if they had to pay they probably couldn't, would simply stop travelling, there would be no financial impact, just putting restrictions on their movement. One of the arguments used against the Hythe Rail link was that it would affect the Hythe Ferry, well if that is going to die anyway that argument is now fatuous, everyone will have to use their own cars or join the queues on an inadequate and diminishing bus service. Hardly showing Green Credentials is it? I would prefer to see a lowering of payments to these Councillors who seem to be incapable of delivering what we require of them. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 16

10:34am Sat 22 Mar 14

sotonbusdriver says...

The government could step in and allow buses to use RED DIESEL, instead of traditional diesel.
This would significantly reduce the taxes on fuel that bus companies spend, therefore making them less of a loss leader for the non-peak hours, so that these private bus companies are more likely to run them....
If the funding is significantly cut, bus services in general will be cut, and companies will cherry pick a few that make profit and nothing else.
If then the government want to get public transport to be used, will end up buying back those that they sold off in the De-Nationalisation times of the 80's... Costing further drain on public taxes...
Most, (but not all) pensioners, have said they would be happy to pay a sum towards their travel on buses, so why not return the previously used 50% reduction on fares or a maximum fare of 80p to all pensioners... This was the way till they gave pensioners totally free travel, that fares were done.
The costs towards bus companies could easily be reduced, as I previously said allow red diesel in buses, lower taxation on road fund licences, reduced insurance taxes, and even a special allowance for staff so that less is contributed from employers NI contributions.
All are within the chancellors powers, this they really want to promote public transport, but this government like previous, say they are promoting public transport, but are hitting those companies in the backdoor in hidden taxation and charges.
The government could step in and allow buses to use RED DIESEL, instead of traditional diesel. This would significantly reduce the taxes on fuel that bus companies spend, therefore making them less of a loss leader for the non-peak hours, so that these private bus companies are more likely to run them.... If the funding is significantly cut, bus services in general will be cut, and companies will cherry pick a few that make profit and nothing else. If then the government want to get public transport to be used, will end up buying back those that they sold off in the De-Nationalisation times of the 80's... Costing further drain on public taxes... Most, (but not all) pensioners, have said they would be happy to pay a sum towards their travel on buses, so why not return the previously used 50% reduction on fares or a maximum fare of 80p to all pensioners... This was the way till they gave pensioners totally free travel, that fares were done. The costs towards bus companies could easily be reduced, as I previously said allow red diesel in buses, lower taxation on road fund licences, reduced insurance taxes, and even a special allowance for staff so that less is contributed from employers NI contributions. All are within the chancellors powers, this they really want to promote public transport, but this government like previous, say they are promoting public transport, but are hitting those companies in the backdoor in hidden taxation and charges. sotonbusdriver
  • Score: 0

10:43am Sat 22 Mar 14

exforester says...

.So much for the vast amount of money spent trying to encourage the public to use public transport. This decision shows how little Hampshire County Council thinks of the environment - and those who don't drive.
They also can't see the hypocrisy of their own transport plan.
In Winchester, you can park in the park & ride for £3 a day. Up to 5 people from that car can get a P&R bus anywhere around Winchester. Buses are every 10 - 15 minutes.
Catch an 'ordinary' bus in Winchester, or a P&R bus without a parking ticket, and the cost for ONE person to get a day ticket is £3.80.
I live 10 minutes walk from the Bar End Park. The buses don't come round our way, as, apparently the P&R passengers 'don't like to be delayed'. We get a bus every hour, the last one is at 18:15. A single to the top of town is £1.50. The P&R buses are all new, with wheelchair/pushchair access. Many of the uses put on our route are inaccessible to both wheelchair users and pushchairs. We were told it was because of a lack of new stock. Both the Park & Ride and the local buses and the local buses are run by Stagecoach, so I can't see how the P&R passengers are more entitled to decent buses than the locals.
Hampshire County Council also funds some of the P&R buses, but none of the (very few) buses on our route.
Personally, I'd like to see all Councillors get out of their flash gas guzzling cars and use public transport, especially to get to Council meetings.
This would save on petrol claims, as most could use their bus passes!!
.So much for the vast amount of money spent trying to encourage the public to use public transport. This decision shows how little Hampshire County Council thinks of the environment - and those who don't drive. They also can't see the hypocrisy of their own transport plan. In Winchester, you can park in the park & ride for £3 a day. Up to 5 people from that car can get a P&R bus anywhere around Winchester. Buses are every 10 - 15 minutes. Catch an 'ordinary' bus in Winchester, or a P&R bus without a parking ticket, and the cost for ONE person to get a day ticket is £3.80. I live 10 minutes walk from the Bar End Park. The buses don't come round our way, as, apparently the P&R passengers 'don't like to be delayed'. We get a bus every hour, the last one is at 18:15. A single to the top of town is £1.50. The P&R buses are all new, with wheelchair/pushchair access. Many of the uses put on our route are inaccessible to both wheelchair users and pushchairs. We were told it was because of a lack of new stock. Both the Park & Ride and the local buses and the local buses are run by Stagecoach, so I can't see how the P&R passengers are more entitled to decent buses than the locals. Hampshire County Council also funds some of the P&R buses, but none of the (very few) buses on our route. Personally, I'd like to see all Councillors get out of their flash gas guzzling cars and use public transport, especially to get to Council meetings. This would save on petrol claims, as most could use their bus passes!! exforester
  • Score: 10

11:06am Sat 22 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

sotonbusdriver wrote:
The government could step in and allow buses to use RED DIESEL, instead of traditional diesel.
This would significantly reduce the taxes on fuel that bus companies spend, therefore making them less of a loss leader for the non-peak hours, so that these private bus companies are more likely to run them....
If the funding is significantly cut, bus services in general will be cut, and companies will cherry pick a few that make profit and nothing else.
If then the government want to get public transport to be used, will end up buying back those that they sold off in the De-Nationalisation times of the 80's... Costing further drain on public taxes...
Most, (but not all) pensioners, have said they would be happy to pay a sum towards their travel on buses, so why not return the previously used 50% reduction on fares or a maximum fare of 80p to all pensioners... This was the way till they gave pensioners totally free travel, that fares were done.
The costs towards bus companies could easily be reduced, as I previously said allow red diesel in buses, lower taxation on road fund licences, reduced insurance taxes, and even a special allowance for staff so that less is contributed from employers NI contributions.
All are within the chancellors powers, this they really want to promote public transport, but this government like previous, say they are promoting public transport, but are hitting those companies in the backdoor in hidden taxation and charges.
I would agree with the use of Red Diesel if I thought that it would benefit bus users rather than increase the profits of the bus companies!
[quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: The government could step in and allow buses to use RED DIESEL, instead of traditional diesel. This would significantly reduce the taxes on fuel that bus companies spend, therefore making them less of a loss leader for the non-peak hours, so that these private bus companies are more likely to run them.... If the funding is significantly cut, bus services in general will be cut, and companies will cherry pick a few that make profit and nothing else. If then the government want to get public transport to be used, will end up buying back those that they sold off in the De-Nationalisation times of the 80's... Costing further drain on public taxes... Most, (but not all) pensioners, have said they would be happy to pay a sum towards their travel on buses, so why not return the previously used 50% reduction on fares or a maximum fare of 80p to all pensioners... This was the way till they gave pensioners totally free travel, that fares were done. The costs towards bus companies could easily be reduced, as I previously said allow red diesel in buses, lower taxation on road fund licences, reduced insurance taxes, and even a special allowance for staff so that less is contributed from employers NI contributions. All are within the chancellors powers, this they really want to promote public transport, but this government like previous, say they are promoting public transport, but are hitting those companies in the backdoor in hidden taxation and charges.[/p][/quote]I would agree with the use of Red Diesel if I thought that it would benefit bus users rather than increase the profits of the bus companies! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 6

11:27am Sat 22 Mar 14

loosehead says...

sotonbusdriver wrote:
The government could step in and allow buses to use RED DIESEL, instead of traditional diesel.
This would significantly reduce the taxes on fuel that bus companies spend, therefore making them less of a loss leader for the non-peak hours, so that these private bus companies are more likely to run them....
If the funding is significantly cut, bus services in general will be cut, and companies will cherry pick a few that make profit and nothing else.
If then the government want to get public transport to be used, will end up buying back those that they sold off in the De-Nationalisation times of the 80's... Costing further drain on public taxes...
Most, (but not all) pensioners, have said they would be happy to pay a sum towards their travel on buses, so why not return the previously used 50% reduction on fares or a maximum fare of 80p to all pensioners... This was the way till they gave pensioners totally free travel, that fares were done.
The costs towards bus companies could easily be reduced, as I previously said allow red diesel in buses, lower taxation on road fund licences, reduced insurance taxes, and even a special allowance for staff so that less is contributed from employers NI contributions.
All are within the chancellors powers, this they really want to promote public transport, but this government like previous, say they are promoting public transport, but are hitting those companies in the backdoor in hidden taxation and charges.
Surely the answer should be to lower fares attract more fare paying customers?
The bus companies admit a bus pass only brings in a third of the fare so a full bus with all bus passes is in effect only a third full & these companies have raised fares to make up this money.
lowering of fares to attract more fare paying customers would bring the bus passes up to 50% of the fare so it would be a win win solution.
lower fares more regular busses more people using them less cars on the road & no traffic jams in Southampton.
Instead fares keep rising fewer & fewer people using them so they raise fares again then they scrap the service so no winners.
As for the Hythe Ferry maybe the marina folk can chip in to subsidise it?
[quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: The government could step in and allow buses to use RED DIESEL, instead of traditional diesel. This would significantly reduce the taxes on fuel that bus companies spend, therefore making them less of a loss leader for the non-peak hours, so that these private bus companies are more likely to run them.... If the funding is significantly cut, bus services in general will be cut, and companies will cherry pick a few that make profit and nothing else. If then the government want to get public transport to be used, will end up buying back those that they sold off in the De-Nationalisation times of the 80's... Costing further drain on public taxes... Most, (but not all) pensioners, have said they would be happy to pay a sum towards their travel on buses, so why not return the previously used 50% reduction on fares or a maximum fare of 80p to all pensioners... This was the way till they gave pensioners totally free travel, that fares were done. The costs towards bus companies could easily be reduced, as I previously said allow red diesel in buses, lower taxation on road fund licences, reduced insurance taxes, and even a special allowance for staff so that less is contributed from employers NI contributions. All are within the chancellors powers, this they really want to promote public transport, but this government like previous, say they are promoting public transport, but are hitting those companies in the backdoor in hidden taxation and charges.[/p][/quote]Surely the answer should be to lower fares attract more fare paying customers? The bus companies admit a bus pass only brings in a third of the fare so a full bus with all bus passes is in effect only a third full & these companies have raised fares to make up this money. lowering of fares to attract more fare paying customers would bring the bus passes up to 50% of the fare so it would be a win win solution. lower fares more regular busses more people using them less cars on the road & no traffic jams in Southampton. Instead fares keep rising fewer & fewer people using them so they raise fares again then they scrap the service so no winners. As for the Hythe Ferry maybe the marina folk can chip in to subsidise it? loosehead
  • Score: -4

11:35am Sat 22 Mar 14

good-gosh says...

The wife took me on the Hythe ferry on a choppy day last year and I nearly fell overboard. She says we must try it again soon.
The wife took me on the Hythe ferry on a choppy day last year and I nearly fell overboard. She says we must try it again soon. good-gosh
  • Score: 12

11:41am Sat 22 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

good-gosh wrote:
The wife took me on the Hythe ferry on a choppy day last year and I nearly fell overboard. She says we must try it again soon.
Great Expectations?
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: The wife took me on the Hythe ferry on a choppy day last year and I nearly fell overboard. She says we must try it again soon.[/p][/quote]Great Expectations? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

11:50am Sat 22 Mar 14

legod7 says...

People with New Forest bus passes (which includes Totton & Hythe ) cannot use them until 9.30 anyway
People with New Forest bus passes (which includes Totton & Hythe ) cannot use them until 9.30 anyway legod7
  • Score: 3

1:00pm Sat 22 Mar 14

sotonbusdriver says...

loosehead wrote:
sotonbusdriver wrote:
The government could step in and allow buses to use RED DIESEL, instead of traditional diesel.
This would significantly reduce the taxes on fuel that bus companies spend, therefore making them less of a loss leader for the non-peak hours, so that these private bus companies are more likely to run them....
If the funding is significantly cut, bus services in general will be cut, and companies will cherry pick a few that make profit and nothing else.
If then the government want to get public transport to be used, will end up buying back those that they sold off in the De-Nationalisation times of the 80's... Costing further drain on public taxes...
Most, (but not all) pensioners, have said they would be happy to pay a sum towards their travel on buses, so why not return the previously used 50% reduction on fares or a maximum fare of 80p to all pensioners... This was the way till they gave pensioners totally free travel, that fares were done.
The costs towards bus companies could easily be reduced, as I previously said allow red diesel in buses, lower taxation on road fund licences, reduced insurance taxes, and even a special allowance for staff so that less is contributed from employers NI contributions.
All are within the chancellors powers, this they really want to promote public transport, but this government like previous, say they are promoting public transport, but are hitting those companies in the backdoor in hidden taxation and charges.
Surely the answer should be to lower fares attract more fare paying customers?
The bus companies admit a bus pass only brings in a third of the fare so a full bus with all bus passes is in effect only a third full & these companies have raised fares to make up this money.
lowering of fares to attract more fare paying customers would bring the bus passes up to 50% of the fare so it would be a win win solution.
lower fares more regular busses more people using them less cars on the road & no traffic jams in Southampton.
Instead fares keep rising fewer & fewer people using them so they raise fares again then they scrap the service so no winners.
As for the Hythe Ferry maybe the marina folk can chip in to subsidise it?
I would love to agree with lower fares, but when you realise the cost of buying, running and maintaining a bus, along with the un-insurable damage from vandalism, broken windows from stones, to be honest there isn't much profit for the shareholders as it is.
Unfortunately, shareholders want to see a reasonable return on their £m's they invest, and unless the company makes a profit that doesn't happen and shareholders sell their stakes and the companies don't then have anything to invest...
When you think that clothing retail makes some 200+% profits, other retailing makes between 25%-50% profit, it doesn't seem such a big profit margin of 10% bus companies make....
If you are looking for good returns on shares you are fair better off buying into big chains likes ASDA and TESCO's, rather than, invest in Go-ahead and First.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: The government could step in and allow buses to use RED DIESEL, instead of traditional diesel. This would significantly reduce the taxes on fuel that bus companies spend, therefore making them less of a loss leader for the non-peak hours, so that these private bus companies are more likely to run them.... If the funding is significantly cut, bus services in general will be cut, and companies will cherry pick a few that make profit and nothing else. If then the government want to get public transport to be used, will end up buying back those that they sold off in the De-Nationalisation times of the 80's... Costing further drain on public taxes... Most, (but not all) pensioners, have said they would be happy to pay a sum towards their travel on buses, so why not return the previously used 50% reduction on fares or a maximum fare of 80p to all pensioners... This was the way till they gave pensioners totally free travel, that fares were done. The costs towards bus companies could easily be reduced, as I previously said allow red diesel in buses, lower taxation on road fund licences, reduced insurance taxes, and even a special allowance for staff so that less is contributed from employers NI contributions. All are within the chancellors powers, this they really want to promote public transport, but this government like previous, say they are promoting public transport, but are hitting those companies in the backdoor in hidden taxation and charges.[/p][/quote]Surely the answer should be to lower fares attract more fare paying customers? The bus companies admit a bus pass only brings in a third of the fare so a full bus with all bus passes is in effect only a third full & these companies have raised fares to make up this money. lowering of fares to attract more fare paying customers would bring the bus passes up to 50% of the fare so it would be a win win solution. lower fares more regular busses more people using them less cars on the road & no traffic jams in Southampton. Instead fares keep rising fewer & fewer people using them so they raise fares again then they scrap the service so no winners. As for the Hythe Ferry maybe the marina folk can chip in to subsidise it?[/p][/quote]I would love to agree with lower fares, but when you realise the cost of buying, running and maintaining a bus, along with the un-insurable damage from vandalism, broken windows from stones, to be honest there isn't much profit for the shareholders as it is. Unfortunately, shareholders want to see a reasonable return on their £m's they invest, and unless the company makes a profit that doesn't happen and shareholders sell their stakes and the companies don't then have anything to invest... When you think that clothing retail makes some 200+% profits, other retailing makes between 25%-50% profit, it doesn't seem such a big profit margin of 10% bus companies make.... If you are looking for good returns on shares you are fair better off buying into big chains likes ASDA and TESCO's, rather than, invest in Go-ahead and First. sotonbusdriver
  • Score: 1

1:42pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Northamboy says...

As a retired bus driver with an OAP pass I would quite happily pay half fare as long as I could do so at any time of the day. Bus companies in Southampton no longer give a public service as they used to nowadays it's all profit driven. Forty years ago Hants and Dorset used to run services to every outlying village even in the late evenings. This was only possible because the bus companies were nationalised and money came from the Government through local councils. Renationalise the buses and we may get a decent service again. Leave them to the big companies that run them now and the service will decline even more.
As a retired bus driver with an OAP pass I would quite happily pay half fare as long as I could do so at any time of the day. Bus companies in Southampton no longer give a public service as they used to nowadays it's all profit driven. Forty years ago Hants and Dorset used to run services to every outlying village even in the late evenings. This was only possible because the bus companies were nationalised and money came from the Government through local councils. Renationalise the buses and we may get a decent service again. Leave them to the big companies that run them now and the service will decline even more. Northamboy
  • Score: 12

2:46pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Brock_and_Roll says...

If the Hythe ferry does close down, it will show a complete lack of joined up thinking as one of the main reasons the proposed re-opening of the Hythe branch rail line was the likely effect on the Hythe ferry.......

Personally, whilst I like the old ferry, the rail line would be a lot more use to more people and provide connections nationwide.
If the Hythe ferry does close down, it will show a complete lack of joined up thinking as one of the main reasons the proposed re-opening of the Hythe branch rail line was the likely effect on the Hythe ferry....... Personally, whilst I like the old ferry, the rail line would be a lot more use to more people and provide connections nationwide. Brock_and_Roll
  • Score: 7

2:55pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Brubaker45 says...

OK well you who aren't pensioners should think about this. Don't forget these are politicians the only things they care about are staying in power and milking it for all they can get. The bus companies get money for carrying pensioners it's true but if you can stop them travelling are the buses full of fare payers -NO! What next - why - no passengers, no subsidy - no service. Council has more money to go to Ibeza with and the bus company can get rid of some wages and overheads. Winners all round - eh? Career politicians in local Government are an anathema as is 'Chief Executives' - when I was involved there was no wages, few of us claimed expenses and meetings were at night, any visits we shared transport! Blair brought in Mayors & Cabinets and the local scene is dominated like the National by failed lawyers, teachers (those who can do, those who can't teach) and the rest of the parasitical hierarchy. "Look at the big I am - every four years I might need some of you to vote for me & then you can all b****r off for another four years while I make hay" - Philosophy of the average politician!
OK well you who aren't pensioners should think about this. Don't forget these are politicians the only things they care about are staying in power and milking it for all they can get. The bus companies get money for carrying pensioners it's true but if you can stop them travelling are the buses full of fare payers -NO! What next - why - no passengers, no subsidy - no service. Council has more money to go to Ibeza with and the bus company can get rid of some wages and overheads. Winners all round - eh? Career politicians in local Government are an anathema as is 'Chief Executives' - when I was involved there was no wages, few of us claimed expenses and meetings were at night, any visits we shared transport! Blair brought in Mayors & Cabinets and the local scene is dominated like the National by failed lawyers, teachers (those who can do, those who can't teach) and the rest of the parasitical hierarchy. "Look at the big I am - every four years I might need some of you to vote for me & then you can all b****r off for another four years while I make hay" - Philosophy of the average politician! Brubaker45
  • Score: 5

3:22pm Sat 22 Mar 14

The Wickham Man says...

So let's get this straight - the Hythe ferry was cited as a reason not to invest in the Waterside Rail Link and now less than 3 months later it is under threat of withdrawal. THis is the what the English have to put up with for subsidising Scotland and the rest of the world with their taxes - we are last in the queue for public sector investment. The bonny scots meanwhile are reinstating a 35 mile rail line through the borders that was ripped up in the 1960s at a cost now approaching £350m while Hampshire COunty Council claims it cannot even afford to consider running passenger trains along a line that already exists and running freight trains and cites the Hythe ferry as reason it doesn't need to!! And we are expected to beleive that the UK is one country?
So let's get this straight - the Hythe ferry was cited as a reason not to invest in the Waterside Rail Link and now less than 3 months later it is under threat of withdrawal. THis is the what the English have to put up with for subsidising Scotland and the rest of the world with their taxes - we are last in the queue for public sector investment. The bonny scots meanwhile are reinstating a 35 mile rail line through the borders that was ripped up in the 1960s at a cost now approaching £350m while Hampshire COunty Council claims it cannot even afford to consider running passenger trains along a line that already exists and running freight trains and cites the Hythe ferry as reason it doesn't need to!! And we are expected to beleive that the UK is one country? The Wickham Man
  • Score: 8

3:24pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Go on a number 7 one every 5 minutes both ways!
Go on a number 7 one every 5 minutes both ways! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 0

3:34pm Sat 22 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Brubaker45 wrote:
OK well you who aren't pensioners should think about this. Don't forget these are politicians the only things they care about are staying in power and milking it for all they can get. The bus companies get money for carrying pensioners it's true but if you can stop them travelling are the buses full of fare payers -NO! What next - why - no passengers, no subsidy - no service. Council has more money to go to Ibeza with and the bus company can get rid of some wages and overheads. Winners all round - eh? Career politicians in local Government are an anathema as is 'Chief Executives' - when I was involved there was no wages, few of us claimed expenses and meetings were at night, any visits we shared transport! Blair brought in Mayors & Cabinets and the local scene is dominated like the National by failed lawyers, teachers (those who can do, those who can't teach) and the rest of the parasitical hierarchy. "Look at the big I am - every four years I might need some of you to vote for me & then you can all b****r off for another four years while I make hay" - Philosophy of the average politician!
I know of a 70 year old man who has a car can afford to drive a car yet he qualifies for a bus pass?
Surely these type of credits should be for those who were on low paid jobs & are now on state pensions only?
My neighbour lives with his son gets state pension Army pension & his son earns £25,000 a year are you telling me he needs hand outs?
Give credits or bus passes only to those who are only getting state pension & make the rest pay full amount then maybe we'll see a better bus service?
[quote][p][bold]Brubaker45[/bold] wrote: OK well you who aren't pensioners should think about this. Don't forget these are politicians the only things they care about are staying in power and milking it for all they can get. The bus companies get money for carrying pensioners it's true but if you can stop them travelling are the buses full of fare payers -NO! What next - why - no passengers, no subsidy - no service. Council has more money to go to Ibeza with and the bus company can get rid of some wages and overheads. Winners all round - eh? Career politicians in local Government are an anathema as is 'Chief Executives' - when I was involved there was no wages, few of us claimed expenses and meetings were at night, any visits we shared transport! Blair brought in Mayors & Cabinets and the local scene is dominated like the National by failed lawyers, teachers (those who can do, those who can't teach) and the rest of the parasitical hierarchy. "Look at the big I am - every four years I might need some of you to vote for me & then you can all b****r off for another four years while I make hay" - Philosophy of the average politician![/p][/quote]I know of a 70 year old man who has a car can afford to drive a car yet he qualifies for a bus pass? Surely these type of credits should be for those who were on low paid jobs & are now on state pensions only? My neighbour lives with his son gets state pension Army pension & his son earns £25,000 a year are you telling me he needs hand outs? Give credits or bus passes only to those who are only getting state pension & make the rest pay full amount then maybe we'll see a better bus service? loosehead
  • Score: -3

3:36pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

We want better transport links for Dibden Bay dont worry its is the next roll of a dice!
We want better transport links for Dibden Bay dont worry its is the next roll of a dice! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 2

4:06pm Sat 22 Mar 14

sotonbusdriver says...

I think although it wouldn't be possibly now, as it would cost way too much....
But the original sale of public transport was a very foolish thing....
The Government made a huge sum of money selling off, our buses and railways.
Now the costs have escalated, the private companies in charge, are holding the country to ransom in many ways.
There was a lot of wastage in nationalised transport, which could have been sorted, leaving it in the public realm... But the labour Government of the late 70's saw a way to make a buck or two, then lost the election, which gave the Conservatives with Maggie the chance to use the labour policies to their own advantages
I think although it wouldn't be possibly now, as it would cost way too much.... But the original sale of public transport was a very foolish thing.... The Government made a huge sum of money selling off, our buses and railways. Now the costs have escalated, the private companies in charge, are holding the country to ransom in many ways. There was a lot of wastage in nationalised transport, which could have been sorted, leaving it in the public realm... But the labour Government of the late 70's saw a way to make a buck or two, then lost the election, which gave the Conservatives with Maggie the chance to use the labour policies to their own advantages sotonbusdriver
  • Score: 5

4:40pm Sat 22 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
Brubaker45 wrote:
OK well you who aren't pensioners should think about this. Don't forget these are politicians the only things they care about are staying in power and milking it for all they can get. The bus companies get money for carrying pensioners it's true but if you can stop them travelling are the buses full of fare payers -NO! What next - why - no passengers, no subsidy - no service. Council has more money to go to Ibeza with and the bus company can get rid of some wages and overheads. Winners all round - eh? Career politicians in local Government are an anathema as is 'Chief Executives' - when I was involved there was no wages, few of us claimed expenses and meetings were at night, any visits we shared transport! Blair brought in Mayors & Cabinets and the local scene is dominated like the National by failed lawyers, teachers (those who can do, those who can't teach) and the rest of the parasitical hierarchy. "Look at the big I am - every four years I might need some of you to vote for me & then you can all b****r off for another four years while I make hay" - Philosophy of the average politician!
I know of a 70 year old man who has a car can afford to drive a car yet he qualifies for a bus pass?
Surely these type of credits should be for those who were on low paid jobs & are now on state pensions only?
My neighbour lives with his son gets state pension Army pension & his son earns £25,000 a year are you telling me he needs hand outs?
Give credits or bus passes only to those who are only getting state pension & make the rest pay full amount then maybe we'll see a better bus service?
Daft comment LH, are you asking for means testing? How much would that cost to organise, we have enough bureaucracy as it is, and it would never be done fairly.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brubaker45[/bold] wrote: OK well you who aren't pensioners should think about this. Don't forget these are politicians the only things they care about are staying in power and milking it for all they can get. The bus companies get money for carrying pensioners it's true but if you can stop them travelling are the buses full of fare payers -NO! What next - why - no passengers, no subsidy - no service. Council has more money to go to Ibeza with and the bus company can get rid of some wages and overheads. Winners all round - eh? Career politicians in local Government are an anathema as is 'Chief Executives' - when I was involved there was no wages, few of us claimed expenses and meetings were at night, any visits we shared transport! Blair brought in Mayors & Cabinets and the local scene is dominated like the National by failed lawyers, teachers (those who can do, those who can't teach) and the rest of the parasitical hierarchy. "Look at the big I am - every four years I might need some of you to vote for me & then you can all b****r off for another four years while I make hay" - Philosophy of the average politician![/p][/quote]I know of a 70 year old man who has a car can afford to drive a car yet he qualifies for a bus pass? Surely these type of credits should be for those who were on low paid jobs & are now on state pensions only? My neighbour lives with his son gets state pension Army pension & his son earns £25,000 a year are you telling me he needs hand outs? Give credits or bus passes only to those who are only getting state pension & make the rest pay full amount then maybe we'll see a better bus service?[/p][/quote]Daft comment LH, are you asking for means testing? How much would that cost to organise, we have enough bureaucracy as it is, and it would never be done fairly. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

4:56pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Well what do expect from the Budget rob Peter to pay Paul!
Well what do expect from the Budget rob Peter to pay Paul! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 1

5:31pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Torchie1 says...

Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
We want better transport links for Dibden Bay dont worry its is the next roll of a dice!
If I could point you in the direction of companies that will benefit from any development at Dibden Bay, how much money have you got to invest before the potential growth becomes a reality. Investment would be a indication of the confidence you have in your beliefs.
[quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: We want better transport links for Dibden Bay dont worry its is the next roll of a dice![/p][/quote]If I could point you in the direction of companies that will benefit from any development at Dibden Bay, how much money have you got to invest before the potential growth becomes a reality. Investment would be a indication of the confidence you have in your beliefs. Torchie1
  • Score: 0

5:45pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Tanni w says...

I think it will be awful if Hythe Ferry closes as i use it a lot as it only takes 10 minutes to get to Southampton and the bus takes nearly an hour,no rail link to be reopened why not the line is already there! the A326 is so congested already and a nightmare during rush hour, the waterside has a lot of residents and deserves better transport links.
I think it will be awful if Hythe Ferry closes as i use it a lot as it only takes 10 minutes to get to Southampton and the bus takes nearly an hour,no rail link to be reopened why not the line is already there! the A326 is so congested already and a nightmare during rush hour, the waterside has a lot of residents and deserves better transport links. Tanni w
  • Score: 7

6:15pm Sat 22 Mar 14

christine12 says...

I am shocked that some of you think that the people who have paid the most towards the "free" bus service shouldn't be allowed to use it and the people who have paid the least or nothing at all should use it. I certainly wouldn't want to be in your pub whip-round!!
I am shocked that some of you think that the people who have paid the most towards the "free" bus service shouldn't be allowed to use it and the people who have paid the least or nothing at all should use it. I certainly wouldn't want to be in your pub whip-round!! christine12
  • Score: 1

7:10pm Sat 22 Mar 14

cmth40 says...

loosehead you really have no idea to reduce fares and still allow us oldies for free is stupid have yo any idea how much these companies get for the free passes,its a pittance compared to the costs,and as so many oldies work/have very nice pensions/why shouldnt they pay i would and do several times a week dont have a carso need the b7uses many oldies drive their car to a nice park free thenm get a bus asits a freebie and whjy should i pay for parking in the towns you hear and see that all the time,as for park and ridee the amount this service is subserdised for is a very expensive service that for 90pc of the day runs around empty instead of being used as a service,a lot of it doesnt cover any area you can get to without a car one big con that should be stopped or diverted to serve more stops
loosehead you really have no idea to reduce fares and still allow us oldies for free is stupid have yo any idea how much these companies get for the free passes,its a pittance compared to the costs,and as so many oldies work/have very nice pensions/why shouldnt they pay i would and do several times a week dont have a carso need the b7uses many oldies drive their car to a nice park free thenm get a bus asits a freebie and whjy should i pay for parking in the towns you hear and see that all the time,as for park and ridee the amount this service is subserdised for is a very expensive service that for 90pc of the day runs around empty instead of being used as a service,a lot of it doesnt cover any area you can get to without a car one big con that should be stopped or diverted to serve more stops cmth40
  • Score: 0

8:28pm Sat 22 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
We want better transport links for Dibden Bay dont worry its is the next roll of a dice!
Do you mean Dibden specifically or do you mean Waterside in general?
[quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: We want better transport links for Dibden Bay dont worry its is the next roll of a dice![/p][/quote]Do you mean Dibden specifically or do you mean Waterside in general? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

8:39pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
We want better transport links for Dibden Bay dont worry its is the next roll of a dice!
Do you mean Dibden specifically or do you mean Waterside in general?
One Road in and Out or the Ferry it is just not good enough!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: We want better transport links for Dibden Bay dont worry its is the next roll of a dice![/p][/quote]Do you mean Dibden specifically or do you mean Waterside in general?[/p][/quote]One Road in and Out or the Ferry it is just not good enough! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 1

8:54pm Sat 22 Mar 14

yellowhedgepig says...

legod7 wrote:
People with New Forest bus passes (which includes Totton & Hythe ) cannot use them until 9.30 anyway
Incorrect, you can use your pass from 9am as long as you are boarding within your own issuing area. Not if you were trying to board outside that area then it would be 9.30
[quote][p][bold]legod7[/bold] wrote: People with New Forest bus passes (which includes Totton & Hythe ) cannot use them until 9.30 anyway[/p][/quote]Incorrect, you can use your pass from 9am as long as you are boarding within your own issuing area. Not if you were trying to board outside that area then it would be 9.30 yellowhedgepig
  • Score: 1

9:07pm Sat 22 Mar 14

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Brubaker45 wrote:
OK well you who aren't pensioners should think about this. Don't forget these are politicians the only things they care about are staying in power and milking it for all they can get. The bus companies get money for carrying pensioners it's true but if you can stop them travelling are the buses full of fare payers -NO! What next - why - no passengers, no subsidy - no service. Council has more money to go to Ibeza with and the bus company can get rid of some wages and overheads. Winners all round - eh? Career politicians in local Government are an anathema as is 'Chief Executives' - when I was involved there was no wages, few of us claimed expenses and meetings were at night, any visits we shared transport! Blair brought in Mayors & Cabinets and the local scene is dominated like the National by failed lawyers, teachers (those who can do, those who can't teach) and the rest of the parasitical hierarchy. "Look at the big I am - every four years I might need some of you to vote for me & then you can all b****r off for another four years while I make hay" - Philosophy of the average politician!
I know of a 70 year old man who has a car can afford to drive a car yet he qualifies for a bus pass?
Surely these type of credits should be for those who were on low paid jobs & are now on state pensions only?
My neighbour lives with his son gets state pension Army pension & his son earns £25,000 a year are you telling me he needs hand outs?
Give credits or bus passes only to those who are only getting state pension & make the rest pay full amount then maybe we'll see a better bus service?
Daft comment LH, are you asking for means testing? How much would that cost to organise, we have enough bureaucracy as it is, and it would never be done fairly.
really? to get a bus pass or heating you have to fill out a form with your circumstances on it if you receive more than a certain amount you don't get these things if below that figure you do.
If I was told correctly about means testing by my father they use to go into your house to see if there was anything you could sell before you had help this wouldn't be the case.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brubaker45[/bold] wrote: OK well you who aren't pensioners should think about this. Don't forget these are politicians the only things they care about are staying in power and milking it for all they can get. The bus companies get money for carrying pensioners it's true but if you can stop them travelling are the buses full of fare payers -NO! What next - why - no passengers, no subsidy - no service. Council has more money to go to Ibeza with and the bus company can get rid of some wages and overheads. Winners all round - eh? Career politicians in local Government are an anathema as is 'Chief Executives' - when I was involved there was no wages, few of us claimed expenses and meetings were at night, any visits we shared transport! Blair brought in Mayors & Cabinets and the local scene is dominated like the National by failed lawyers, teachers (those who can do, those who can't teach) and the rest of the parasitical hierarchy. "Look at the big I am - every four years I might need some of you to vote for me & then you can all b****r off for another four years while I make hay" - Philosophy of the average politician![/p][/quote]I know of a 70 year old man who has a car can afford to drive a car yet he qualifies for a bus pass? Surely these type of credits should be for those who were on low paid jobs & are now on state pensions only? My neighbour lives with his son gets state pension Army pension & his son earns £25,000 a year are you telling me he needs hand outs? Give credits or bus passes only to those who are only getting state pension & make the rest pay full amount then maybe we'll see a better bus service?[/p][/quote]Daft comment LH, are you asking for means testing? How much would that cost to organise, we have enough bureaucracy as it is, and it would never be done fairly.[/p][/quote]really? to get a bus pass or heating you have to fill out a form with your circumstances on it if you receive more than a certain amount you don't get these things if below that figure you do. If I was told correctly about means testing by my father they use to go into your house to see if there was anything you could sell before you had help this wouldn't be the case. loosehead
  • Score: -1

9:12pm Sat 22 Mar 14

loosehead says...

cmth40 wrote:
loosehead you really have no idea to reduce fares and still allow us oldies for free is stupid have yo any idea how much these companies get for the free passes,its a pittance compared to the costs,and as so many oldies work/have very nice pensions/why shouldnt they pay i would and do several times a week dont have a carso need the b7uses many oldies drive their car to a nice park free thenm get a bus asits a freebie and whjy should i pay for parking in the towns you hear and see that all the time,as for park and ridee the amount this service is subserdised for is a very expensive service that for 90pc of the day runs around empty instead of being used as a service,a lot of it doesnt cover any area you can get to without a car one big con that should be stopped or diverted to serve more stops
What I was trying to say was the bus companies openly admit to hiking up the fares to cover the lost revenue through bus passes.
But the only real way to get a good bus service might be through heavily subsidising the busses but why should tax payers pay for people who some of them are on a good pension & are better off than some who work?
Some had final salary pensions & state pensions should they be subsidised?
[quote][p][bold]cmth40[/bold] wrote: loosehead you really have no idea to reduce fares and still allow us oldies for free is stupid have yo any idea how much these companies get for the free passes,its a pittance compared to the costs,and as so many oldies work/have very nice pensions/why shouldnt they pay i would and do several times a week dont have a carso need the b7uses many oldies drive their car to a nice park free thenm get a bus asits a freebie and whjy should i pay for parking in the towns you hear and see that all the time,as for park and ridee the amount this service is subserdised for is a very expensive service that for 90pc of the day runs around empty instead of being used as a service,a lot of it doesnt cover any area you can get to without a car one big con that should be stopped or diverted to serve more stops[/p][/quote]What I was trying to say was the bus companies openly admit to hiking up the fares to cover the lost revenue through bus passes. But the only real way to get a good bus service might be through heavily subsidising the busses but why should tax payers pay for people who some of them are on a good pension & are better off than some who work? Some had final salary pensions & state pensions should they be subsidised? loosehead
  • Score: 0

9:26pm Sat 22 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Let's put the record straight I have nothing but respect for the older generation
I feel that those who were on low pay & worked all their lives but couldn't afford to put money away for a private pension or weren't in company or final salary pension schemes should be looked out for & for these Universal Credits are a must.
But look at the generation below me we have companies crying out for workers to the point they have to go abroad for cleaners,Fruit pickers & other forms of farm & manual work whilst are people turn down these jobs & are happy to live on the dole should workers subsidise them now & when they're OAP's?
Should the low paid above £10,500 pay for Universal credits for OAP's who can earn double their pay?
This financial banking crisis should have taught bus we're living beyond our means & we have to stop handing out freebies to all & just give them to the needy.
Do I feel sorry for Hythe losing it's ferry Service?NO
If ABP had built on Dibden a better rail link would have been built but Hythe Marina said no.
Now we Have Marchwood Military Port & both roads & train tracks would be up graded but hey it's still a NO.
So let them pack their roads with cars & let them complain but it's their own fault isn't it?
Let's put the record straight I have nothing but respect for the older generation I feel that those who were on low pay & worked all their lives but couldn't afford to put money away for a private pension or weren't in company or final salary pension schemes should be looked out for & for these Universal Credits are a must. But look at the generation below me we have companies crying out for workers to the point they have to go abroad for cleaners,Fruit pickers & other forms of farm & manual work whilst are people turn down these jobs & are happy to live on the dole should workers subsidise them now & when they're OAP's? Should the low paid above £10,500 pay for Universal credits for OAP's who can earn double their pay? This financial banking crisis should have taught bus we're living beyond our means & we have to stop handing out freebies to all & just give them to the needy. Do I feel sorry for Hythe losing it's ferry Service?NO If ABP had built on Dibden a better rail link would have been built but Hythe Marina said no. Now we Have Marchwood Military Port & both roads & train tracks would be up graded but hey it's still a NO. So let them pack their roads with cars & let them complain but it's their own fault isn't it? loosehead
  • Score: 1

1:14pm Sun 23 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
cmth40 wrote:
loosehead you really have no idea to reduce fares and still allow us oldies for free is stupid have yo any idea how much these companies get for the free passes,its a pittance compared to the costs,and as so many oldies work/have very nice pensions/why shouldnt they pay i would and do several times a week dont have a carso need the b7uses many oldies drive their car to a nice park free thenm get a bus asits a freebie and whjy should i pay for parking in the towns you hear and see that all the time,as for park and ridee the amount this service is subserdised for is a very expensive service that for 90pc of the day runs around empty instead of being used as a service,a lot of it doesnt cover any area you can get to without a car one big con that should be stopped or diverted to serve more stops
What I was trying to say was the bus companies openly admit to hiking up the fares to cover the lost revenue through bus passes.
But the only real way to get a good bus service might be through heavily subsidising the busses but why should tax payers pay for people who some of them are on a good pension & are better off than some who work?
Some had final salary pensions & state pensions should they be subsidised?
The problem I see here is that you want to penalise some of the people that have been prudent with their money, they may not have had more than others, but they have chosen to be careful with it rather the blowing it on the good things in life. That shouldn't be a reason to prevent them from enjoying the benefits of something that they have been subscribing into all of their working lives. I felt a bit of a fraud when I first received my bus pass, as I was still earning at the time, however now that I am only on a Pension, also I don't drive, I am grateful for anything that I can get, but I have seen the benefits being rapidly diminished with route cuts and less buses.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cmth40[/bold] wrote: loosehead you really have no idea to reduce fares and still allow us oldies for free is stupid have yo any idea how much these companies get for the free passes,its a pittance compared to the costs,and as so many oldies work/have very nice pensions/why shouldnt they pay i would and do several times a week dont have a carso need the b7uses many oldies drive their car to a nice park free thenm get a bus asits a freebie and whjy should i pay for parking in the towns you hear and see that all the time,as for park and ridee the amount this service is subserdised for is a very expensive service that for 90pc of the day runs around empty instead of being used as a service,a lot of it doesnt cover any area you can get to without a car one big con that should be stopped or diverted to serve more stops[/p][/quote]What I was trying to say was the bus companies openly admit to hiking up the fares to cover the lost revenue through bus passes. But the only real way to get a good bus service might be through heavily subsidising the busses but why should tax payers pay for people who some of them are on a good pension & are better off than some who work? Some had final salary pensions & state pensions should they be subsidised?[/p][/quote]The problem I see here is that you want to penalise some of the people that have been prudent with their money, they may not have had more than others, but they have chosen to be careful with it rather the blowing it on the good things in life. That shouldn't be a reason to prevent them from enjoying the benefits of something that they have been subscribing into all of their working lives. I felt a bit of a fraud when I first received my bus pass, as I was still earning at the time, however now that I am only on a Pension, also I don't drive, I am grateful for anything that I can get, but I have seen the benefits being rapidly diminished with route cuts and less buses. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

1:23pm Sun 23 Mar 14

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
cmth40 wrote:
loosehead you really have no idea to reduce fares and still allow us oldies for free is stupid have yo any idea how much these companies get for the free passes,its a pittance compared to the costs,and as so many oldies work/have very nice pensions/why shouldnt they pay i would and do several times a week dont have a carso need the b7uses many oldies drive their car to a nice park free thenm get a bus asits a freebie and whjy should i pay for parking in the towns you hear and see that all the time,as for park and ridee the amount this service is subserdised for is a very expensive service that for 90pc of the day runs around empty instead of being used as a service,a lot of it doesnt cover any area you can get to without a car one big con that should be stopped or diverted to serve more stops
What I was trying to say was the bus companies openly admit to hiking up the fares to cover the lost revenue through bus passes.
But the only real way to get a good bus service might be through heavily subsidising the busses but why should tax payers pay for people who some of them are on a good pension & are better off than some who work?
Some had final salary pensions & state pensions should they be subsidised?
The problem I see here is that you want to penalise some of the people that have been prudent with their money, they may not have had more than others, but they have chosen to be careful with it rather the blowing it on the good things in life. That shouldn't be a reason to prevent them from enjoying the benefits of something that they have been subscribing into all of their working lives. I felt a bit of a fraud when I first received my bus pass, as I was still earning at the time, however now that I am only on a Pension, also I don't drive, I am grateful for anything that I can get, but I have seen the benefits being rapidly diminished with route cuts and less buses.
now you're twisting my words aren't you? What's prudent about final salary pensions?
Most of the pensioners I was talking about are Pre Common market generation where wages of £40-50 a week were the norm so saving was a joke.
Yes teachers,managers were in the position of saving or having the good luck to get final salary pensions but not every one was in that situation.
Now if your saying a guy working at say £16,000 a year or in my case on a pension of £19,000 a year but to young to get a bus pass should subsidise someone on £25,000 =a state pension then I'm sorry I think you're wrong.
when I was made redundant I didn't do as many did & quickly pay off all my debts & go on Social but I asked if my NI could be paid for & was told I had to much money so why doesn't that count when it comes to Universal Credits?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cmth40[/bold] wrote: loosehead you really have no idea to reduce fares and still allow us oldies for free is stupid have yo any idea how much these companies get for the free passes,its a pittance compared to the costs,and as so many oldies work/have very nice pensions/why shouldnt they pay i would and do several times a week dont have a carso need the b7uses many oldies drive their car to a nice park free thenm get a bus asits a freebie and whjy should i pay for parking in the towns you hear and see that all the time,as for park and ridee the amount this service is subserdised for is a very expensive service that for 90pc of the day runs around empty instead of being used as a service,a lot of it doesnt cover any area you can get to without a car one big con that should be stopped or diverted to serve more stops[/p][/quote]What I was trying to say was the bus companies openly admit to hiking up the fares to cover the lost revenue through bus passes. But the only real way to get a good bus service might be through heavily subsidising the busses but why should tax payers pay for people who some of them are on a good pension & are better off than some who work? Some had final salary pensions & state pensions should they be subsidised?[/p][/quote]The problem I see here is that you want to penalise some of the people that have been prudent with their money, they may not have had more than others, but they have chosen to be careful with it rather the blowing it on the good things in life. That shouldn't be a reason to prevent them from enjoying the benefits of something that they have been subscribing into all of their working lives. I felt a bit of a fraud when I first received my bus pass, as I was still earning at the time, however now that I am only on a Pension, also I don't drive, I am grateful for anything that I can get, but I have seen the benefits being rapidly diminished with route cuts and less buses.[/p][/quote]now you're twisting my words aren't you? What's prudent about final salary pensions? Most of the pensioners I was talking about are Pre Common market generation where wages of £40-50 a week were the norm so saving was a joke. Yes teachers,managers were in the position of saving or having the good luck to get final salary pensions but not every one was in that situation. Now if your saying a guy working at say £16,000 a year or in my case on a pension of £19,000 a year but to young to get a bus pass should subsidise someone on £25,000 =a state pension then I'm sorry I think you're wrong. when I was made redundant I didn't do as many did & quickly pay off all my debts & go on Social but I asked if my NI could be paid for & was told I had to much money so why doesn't that count when it comes to Universal Credits? loosehead
  • Score: 0

5:16pm Sun 23 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
cmth40 wrote:
loosehead you really have no idea to reduce fares and still allow us oldies for free is stupid have yo any idea how much these companies get for the free passes,its a pittance compared to the costs,and as so many oldies work/have very nice pensions/why shouldnt they pay i would and do several times a week dont have a carso need the b7uses many oldies drive their car to a nice park free thenm get a bus asits a freebie and whjy should i pay for parking in the towns you hear and see that all the time,as for park and ridee the amount this service is subserdised for is a very expensive service that for 90pc of the day runs around empty instead of being used as a service,a lot of it doesnt cover any area you can get to without a car one big con that should be stopped or diverted to serve more stops
What I was trying to say was the bus companies openly admit to hiking up the fares to cover the lost revenue through bus passes.
But the only real way to get a good bus service might be through heavily subsidising the busses but why should tax payers pay for people who some of them are on a good pension & are better off than some who work?
Some had final salary pensions & state pensions should they be subsidised?
The problem I see here is that you want to penalise some of the people that have been prudent with their money, they may not have had more than others, but they have chosen to be careful with it rather the blowing it on the good things in life. That shouldn't be a reason to prevent them from enjoying the benefits of something that they have been subscribing into all of their working lives. I felt a bit of a fraud when I first received my bus pass, as I was still earning at the time, however now that I am only on a Pension, also I don't drive, I am grateful for anything that I can get, but I have seen the benefits being rapidly diminished with route cuts and less buses.
now you're twisting my words aren't you? What's prudent about final salary pensions?
Most of the pensioners I was talking about are Pre Common market generation where wages of £40-50 a week were the norm so saving was a joke.
Yes teachers,managers were in the position of saving or having the good luck to get final salary pensions but not every one was in that situation.
Now if your saying a guy working at say £16,000 a year or in my case on a pension of £19,000 a year but to young to get a bus pass should subsidise someone on £25,000 =a state pension then I'm sorry I think you're wrong.
when I was made redundant I didn't do as many did & quickly pay off all my debts & go on Social but I asked if my NI could be paid for & was told I had to much money so why doesn't that count when it comes to Universal Credits?
You are getting your knickers in a twist and confusing lots of issues, I hope you have a suitable plan in prospect, because the promises that were made to me on my Pension, failed to materialise because of the low interest rates. No good asking me why you had these problems, it is outside of my remit, just make sure you have a decent deal and don't worry what others are doing because there is very little you can do as an individual.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cmth40[/bold] wrote: loosehead you really have no idea to reduce fares and still allow us oldies for free is stupid have yo any idea how much these companies get for the free passes,its a pittance compared to the costs,and as so many oldies work/have very nice pensions/why shouldnt they pay i would and do several times a week dont have a carso need the b7uses many oldies drive their car to a nice park free thenm get a bus asits a freebie and whjy should i pay for parking in the towns you hear and see that all the time,as for park and ridee the amount this service is subserdised for is a very expensive service that for 90pc of the day runs around empty instead of being used as a service,a lot of it doesnt cover any area you can get to without a car one big con that should be stopped or diverted to serve more stops[/p][/quote]What I was trying to say was the bus companies openly admit to hiking up the fares to cover the lost revenue through bus passes. But the only real way to get a good bus service might be through heavily subsidising the busses but why should tax payers pay for people who some of them are on a good pension & are better off than some who work? Some had final salary pensions & state pensions should they be subsidised?[/p][/quote]The problem I see here is that you want to penalise some of the people that have been prudent with their money, they may not have had more than others, but they have chosen to be careful with it rather the blowing it on the good things in life. That shouldn't be a reason to prevent them from enjoying the benefits of something that they have been subscribing into all of their working lives. I felt a bit of a fraud when I first received my bus pass, as I was still earning at the time, however now that I am only on a Pension, also I don't drive, I am grateful for anything that I can get, but I have seen the benefits being rapidly diminished with route cuts and less buses.[/p][/quote]now you're twisting my words aren't you? What's prudent about final salary pensions? Most of the pensioners I was talking about are Pre Common market generation where wages of £40-50 a week were the norm so saving was a joke. Yes teachers,managers were in the position of saving or having the good luck to get final salary pensions but not every one was in that situation. Now if your saying a guy working at say £16,000 a year or in my case on a pension of £19,000 a year but to young to get a bus pass should subsidise someone on £25,000 =a state pension then I'm sorry I think you're wrong. when I was made redundant I didn't do as many did & quickly pay off all my debts & go on Social but I asked if my NI could be paid for & was told I had to much money so why doesn't that count when it comes to Universal Credits?[/p][/quote]You are getting your knickers in a twist and confusing lots of issues, I hope you have a suitable plan in prospect, because the promises that were made to me on my Pension, failed to materialise because of the low interest rates. No good asking me why you had these problems, it is outside of my remit, just make sure you have a decent deal and don't worry what others are doing because there is very little you can do as an individual. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

6:40pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Torchie1 says...

loosehead wrote:
Let's put the record straight I have nothing but respect for the older generation
I feel that those who were on low pay & worked all their lives but couldn't afford to put money away for a private pension or weren't in company or final salary pension schemes should be looked out for & for these Universal Credits are a must.
But look at the generation below me we have companies crying out for workers to the point they have to go abroad for cleaners,Fruit pickers & other forms of farm & manual work whilst are people turn down these jobs & are happy to live on the dole should workers subsidise them now & when they're OAP's?
Should the low paid above £10,500 pay for Universal credits for OAP's who can earn double their pay?
This financial banking crisis should have taught bus we're living beyond our means & we have to stop handing out freebies to all & just give them to the needy.
Do I feel sorry for Hythe losing it's ferry Service?NO
If ABP had built on Dibden a better rail link would have been built but Hythe Marina said no.
Now we Have Marchwood Military Port & both roads & train tracks would be up graded but hey it's still a NO.
So let them pack their roads with cars & let them complain but it's their own fault isn't it?
I'm not going to interrupt the flow of your thoughts about pension provision but while the residents of Hythe Marina may have voiced their concerns about Dibden Bay it was a report provided by Michael Hurley as a State appointed representative that stopped the development and the document is freely available to study if you want to see the list of reasons why ABP failed in their application. I think you have grossly overestimated the power of the marina residents.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Let's put the record straight I have nothing but respect for the older generation I feel that those who were on low pay & worked all their lives but couldn't afford to put money away for a private pension or weren't in company or final salary pension schemes should be looked out for & for these Universal Credits are a must. But look at the generation below me we have companies crying out for workers to the point they have to go abroad for cleaners,Fruit pickers & other forms of farm & manual work whilst are people turn down these jobs & are happy to live on the dole should workers subsidise them now & when they're OAP's? Should the low paid above £10,500 pay for Universal credits for OAP's who can earn double their pay? This financial banking crisis should have taught bus we're living beyond our means & we have to stop handing out freebies to all & just give them to the needy. Do I feel sorry for Hythe losing it's ferry Service?NO If ABP had built on Dibden a better rail link would have been built but Hythe Marina said no. Now we Have Marchwood Military Port & both roads & train tracks would be up graded but hey it's still a NO. So let them pack their roads with cars & let them complain but it's their own fault isn't it?[/p][/quote]I'm not going to interrupt the flow of your thoughts about pension provision but while the residents of Hythe Marina may have voiced their concerns about Dibden Bay it was a report provided by Michael Hurley as a State appointed representative that stopped the development and the document is freely available to study if you want to see the list of reasons why ABP failed in their application. I think you have grossly overestimated the power of the marina residents. Torchie1
  • Score: 0

9:11pm Sun 23 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Torchie1 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Let's put the record straight I have nothing but respect for the older generation
I feel that those who were on low pay & worked all their lives but couldn't afford to put money away for a private pension or weren't in company or final salary pension schemes should be looked out for & for these Universal Credits are a must.
But look at the generation below me we have companies crying out for workers to the point they have to go abroad for cleaners,Fruit pickers & other forms of farm & manual work whilst are people turn down these jobs & are happy to live on the dole should workers subsidise them now & when they're OAP's?
Should the low paid above £10,500 pay for Universal credits for OAP's who can earn double their pay?
This financial banking crisis should have taught bus we're living beyond our means & we have to stop handing out freebies to all & just give them to the needy.
Do I feel sorry for Hythe losing it's ferry Service?NO
If ABP had built on Dibden a better rail link would have been built but Hythe Marina said no.
Now we Have Marchwood Military Port & both roads & train tracks would be up graded but hey it's still a NO.
So let them pack their roads with cars & let them complain but it's their own fault isn't it?
I'm not going to interrupt the flow of your thoughts about pension provision but while the residents of Hythe Marina may have voiced their concerns about Dibden Bay it was a report provided by Michael Hurley as a State appointed representative that stopped the development and the document is freely available to study if you want to see the list of reasons why ABP failed in their application. I think you have grossly overestimated the power of the marina residents.
Torchie let's look at who was in power. Labour & Gordon Brown who broke EU laws & allowed Shellhaven to be built with grant money do you honestly think he wanted Southampton to expand their container Port to give direct competition to Shellhaven before it was up & running?
I know one of the reasons given by the NO campaign was the wildlife but ABP had addressed that problem.
The other reason was the road infrastructure which ABP had said they would improve on so sorry I think this was a whitewash & I hope the residents of the waterside live to regret not having it & if they stop ABP buying Marchwood I hope they get a rival port operator in there who will definitely increase the traffic flow of heavy vehicles as in my books it would serve them right.
Many of the estates built since the 60's on the waterside are Southampton overspill so rather hypocritical saying keep Southampton out of the New Forest.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Let's put the record straight I have nothing but respect for the older generation I feel that those who were on low pay & worked all their lives but couldn't afford to put money away for a private pension or weren't in company or final salary pension schemes should be looked out for & for these Universal Credits are a must. But look at the generation below me we have companies crying out for workers to the point they have to go abroad for cleaners,Fruit pickers & other forms of farm & manual work whilst are people turn down these jobs & are happy to live on the dole should workers subsidise them now & when they're OAP's? Should the low paid above £10,500 pay for Universal credits for OAP's who can earn double their pay? This financial banking crisis should have taught bus we're living beyond our means & we have to stop handing out freebies to all & just give them to the needy. Do I feel sorry for Hythe losing it's ferry Service?NO If ABP had built on Dibden a better rail link would have been built but Hythe Marina said no. Now we Have Marchwood Military Port & both roads & train tracks would be up graded but hey it's still a NO. So let them pack their roads with cars & let them complain but it's their own fault isn't it?[/p][/quote]I'm not going to interrupt the flow of your thoughts about pension provision but while the residents of Hythe Marina may have voiced their concerns about Dibden Bay it was a report provided by Michael Hurley as a State appointed representative that stopped the development and the document is freely available to study if you want to see the list of reasons why ABP failed in their application. I think you have grossly overestimated the power of the marina residents.[/p][/quote]Torchie let's look at who was in power. Labour & Gordon Brown who broke EU laws & allowed Shellhaven to be built with grant money do you honestly think he wanted Southampton to expand their container Port to give direct competition to Shellhaven before it was up & running? I know one of the reasons given by the NO campaign was the wildlife but ABP had addressed that problem. The other reason was the road infrastructure which ABP had said they would improve on so sorry I think this was a whitewash & I hope the residents of the waterside live to regret not having it & if they stop ABP buying Marchwood I hope they get a rival port operator in there who will definitely increase the traffic flow of heavy vehicles as in my books it would serve them right. Many of the estates built since the 60's on the waterside are Southampton overspill so rather hypocritical saying keep Southampton out of the New Forest. loosehead
  • Score: 0

9:13pm Sun 23 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Now I hope Southampton puts into place Toll booths on every entrance to this city from the West.
Now I hope Southampton puts into place Toll booths on every entrance to this city from the West. loosehead
  • Score: 0

10:18pm Sun 23 Mar 14

neilchi says...

Historically (And varied per area) OAP where given the chance to buy a bus pass and travel off peak. This included a peak time during the afternoon. Then the bus pass went free then the bus pass entitled you to free travel in your area and into a neighbouring area.

Gordon Brown come along and knowing he wasn't popular dangled a carrot in the form of 'free' bus travel to OAP/Disabled. He promised that the bus companies would not worse off and not profit from it. However, the money given by central government to pay via the local authority to the bus company a fare rate has NEVER materialised. This situation was carried out by the Con-Lib Government as they know as does any political party that once you start interfering with pensioner benefits you risk upsetting the strongest demographic that actually turn up at the polling station.

The amount of money paid to cover the bus passes has been CUT and it is the services that are used by mostly the elderly and disabled passes that are at risk. Unless there is a fare proportion of people who are turning up to pay cash for a fare then these services are at best 'break even'. This is why there is no longer a X7 to Salisbury on Sunday's in the winter and no 'fast' buses to the likes of Portsmouth/Bournemou
th as the people using it where mostly bus pass uses. You only had to look at (Then) Solent BlueLine X27 which was often to full to see that a large majority of the users were bus passes users and the money the bus company doesn't cover staff costs, road costs etc.

The bus pass as it stands MUST be withdrawn and the right to travel nationwide limited free of charge withdrawn. . 'Free' Travel should only exist in your local area. However, I do feel that if you have a free bus pass and wish to use it in another part of the country you can travel with a half fare discount. Eg. Return Fare £6.00 bus pass holder pays £2.00. This covers the costs of the concessionary travel.

Bus companies are not charities. They are businesses run for profit. The same as Tesco's and South West Trains. They have shareholder to pay for. I feel for people that live in rural areas but this system cannot be maintained without proper funding and the money simply isn't there.
Historically (And varied per area) OAP where given the chance to buy a bus pass and travel off peak. This included a peak time during the afternoon. Then the bus pass went free then the bus pass entitled you to free travel in your area and into a neighbouring area. Gordon Brown come along and knowing he wasn't popular dangled a carrot in the form of 'free' bus travel to OAP/Disabled. He promised that the bus companies would not worse off and not profit from it. However, the money given by central government to pay via the local authority to the bus company a fare rate has NEVER materialised. This situation was carried out by the Con-Lib Government as they know as does any political party that once you start interfering with pensioner benefits you risk upsetting the strongest demographic that actually turn up at the polling station. The amount of money paid to cover the bus passes has been CUT and it is the services that are used by mostly the elderly and disabled passes that are at risk. Unless there is a fare proportion of people who are turning up to pay cash for a fare then these services are at best 'break even'. This is why there is no longer a X7 to Salisbury on Sunday's in the winter and no 'fast' buses to the likes of Portsmouth/Bournemou th as the people using it where mostly bus pass uses. You only had to look at (Then) Solent BlueLine X27 which was often to full to see that a large majority of the users were bus passes users and the money the bus company doesn't cover staff costs, road costs etc. The bus pass as it stands MUST be withdrawn and the right to travel nationwide limited free of charge withdrawn. . 'Free' Travel should only exist in your local area. However, I do feel that if you have a free bus pass and wish to use it in another part of the country you can travel with a half fare discount. Eg. Return Fare £6.00 bus pass holder pays £2.00. This covers the costs of the concessionary travel. Bus companies are not charities. They are businesses run for profit. The same as Tesco's and South West Trains. They have shareholder to pay for. I feel for people that live in rural areas but this system cannot be maintained without proper funding and the money simply isn't there. neilchi
  • Score: 0

10:24pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Torchie1 says...

loosehead wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Let's put the record straight I have nothing but respect for the older generation
I feel that those who were on low pay & worked all their lives but couldn't afford to put money away for a private pension or weren't in company or final salary pension schemes should be looked out for & for these Universal Credits are a must.
But look at the generation below me we have companies crying out for workers to the point they have to go abroad for cleaners,Fruit pickers & other forms of farm & manual work whilst are people turn down these jobs & are happy to live on the dole should workers subsidise them now & when they're OAP's?
Should the low paid above £10,500 pay for Universal credits for OAP's who can earn double their pay?
This financial banking crisis should have taught bus we're living beyond our means & we have to stop handing out freebies to all & just give them to the needy.
Do I feel sorry for Hythe losing it's ferry Service?NO
If ABP had built on Dibden a better rail link would have been built but Hythe Marina said no.
Now we Have Marchwood Military Port & both roads & train tracks would be up graded but hey it's still a NO.
So let them pack their roads with cars & let them complain but it's their own fault isn't it?
I'm not going to interrupt the flow of your thoughts about pension provision but while the residents of Hythe Marina may have voiced their concerns about Dibden Bay it was a report provided by Michael Hurley as a State appointed representative that stopped the development and the document is freely available to study if you want to see the list of reasons why ABP failed in their application. I think you have grossly overestimated the power of the marina residents.
Torchie let's look at who was in power. Labour & Gordon Brown who broke EU laws & allowed Shellhaven to be built with grant money do you honestly think he wanted Southampton to expand their container Port to give direct competition to Shellhaven before it was up & running?
I know one of the reasons given by the NO campaign was the wildlife but ABP had addressed that problem.
The other reason was the road infrastructure which ABP had said they would improve on so sorry I think this was a whitewash & I hope the residents of the waterside live to regret not having it & if they stop ABP buying Marchwood I hope they get a rival port operator in there who will definitely increase the traffic flow of heavy vehicles as in my books it would serve them right.
Many of the estates built since the 60's on the waterside are Southampton overspill so rather hypocritical saying keep Southampton out of the New Forest.
A public inquiry will seldom meet with the approval of everyone. Local objectors to all industrial plans are immediately denounced as NIMBYs but everyone else can see the benefits of the project. Just add Dibden Bay to Navitus Bay, various Wind-Farms, Bio-Mass, Sulphur Plants etc etc etc. All were clearly underhand developments designed to line the pockets of the rich and when built were only as a result of brown envelopes full of cash being thrust in to the hands of criminal councillors. Accept it, or perhaps more radically, prove it.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Let's put the record straight I have nothing but respect for the older generation I feel that those who were on low pay & worked all their lives but couldn't afford to put money away for a private pension or weren't in company or final salary pension schemes should be looked out for & for these Universal Credits are a must. But look at the generation below me we have companies crying out for workers to the point they have to go abroad for cleaners,Fruit pickers & other forms of farm & manual work whilst are people turn down these jobs & are happy to live on the dole should workers subsidise them now & when they're OAP's? Should the low paid above £10,500 pay for Universal credits for OAP's who can earn double their pay? This financial banking crisis should have taught bus we're living beyond our means & we have to stop handing out freebies to all & just give them to the needy. Do I feel sorry for Hythe losing it's ferry Service?NO If ABP had built on Dibden a better rail link would have been built but Hythe Marina said no. Now we Have Marchwood Military Port & both roads & train tracks would be up graded but hey it's still a NO. So let them pack their roads with cars & let them complain but it's their own fault isn't it?[/p][/quote]I'm not going to interrupt the flow of your thoughts about pension provision but while the residents of Hythe Marina may have voiced their concerns about Dibden Bay it was a report provided by Michael Hurley as a State appointed representative that stopped the development and the document is freely available to study if you want to see the list of reasons why ABP failed in their application. I think you have grossly overestimated the power of the marina residents.[/p][/quote]Torchie let's look at who was in power. Labour & Gordon Brown who broke EU laws & allowed Shellhaven to be built with grant money do you honestly think he wanted Southampton to expand their container Port to give direct competition to Shellhaven before it was up & running? I know one of the reasons given by the NO campaign was the wildlife but ABP had addressed that problem. The other reason was the road infrastructure which ABP had said they would improve on so sorry I think this was a whitewash & I hope the residents of the waterside live to regret not having it & if they stop ABP buying Marchwood I hope they get a rival port operator in there who will definitely increase the traffic flow of heavy vehicles as in my books it would serve them right. Many of the estates built since the 60's on the waterside are Southampton overspill so rather hypocritical saying keep Southampton out of the New Forest.[/p][/quote]A public inquiry will seldom meet with the approval of everyone. Local objectors to all industrial plans are immediately denounced as NIMBYs but everyone else can see the benefits of the project. Just add Dibden Bay to Navitus Bay, various Wind-Farms, Bio-Mass, Sulphur Plants etc etc etc. All were clearly underhand developments designed to line the pockets of the rich and when built were only as a result of brown envelopes full of cash being thrust in to the hands of criminal councillors. Accept it, or perhaps more radically, prove it. Torchie1
  • Score: -1

11:57pm Sun 23 Mar 14

exforester says...

Yes, bus companies are run for a profit, and certain services are funded by Hampshire County Council - but why do visitors who use the Park & Ride get a much better deal (ie parking and up to 5 people travel anywhere in Winchester for £3) than the locals - not necessarily pensioners - who don't own a car, rely on buses and pay full fare?
Yes, bus companies are run for a profit, and certain services are funded by Hampshire County Council - but why do visitors who use the Park & Ride get a much better deal (ie parking and up to 5 people travel anywhere in Winchester for £3) than the locals - not necessarily pensioners - who don't own a car, rely on buses and pay full fare? exforester
  • Score: 0

6:34am Mon 24 Mar 14

loosehead says...

Less busses no rail way link. more cars on a bad road infrastructure this is the NO to Dibden bays supporters dream isn't it?
you reap what you sow I hope you're happy with your crop!
Less busses no rail way link. more cars on a bad road infrastructure this is the NO to Dibden bays supporters dream isn't it? you reap what you sow I hope you're happy with your crop! loosehead
  • Score: 1

11:42am Mon 24 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
Now I hope Southampton puts into place Toll booths on every entrance to this city from the West.
Why discriminate? Border Controls from the East would be useful too.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Now I hope Southampton puts into place Toll booths on every entrance to this city from the West.[/p][/quote]Why discriminate? Border Controls from the East would be useful too. OSPREYSAINT
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