Hampshire County Council staff to hold strike ballot over cuts to motoring expenses

Daily Echo: Unite and Unison holding a protest against council cuts Unite and Unison holding a protest against council cuts

THOUSANDS of county council staff in Hampshire are poised to ballot for industrial action after bosses moved to slash their motoring expenses.

Leaders of the union Unison are consulting employees who are affected by plans to cut back travel costs as part of a £800,000 efficiency drive.

It is the latest blow to staff at the council in recent weeks, after the Daily Echo revealed county bosses have rubber-stamped £93m of cuts which could see more than 1,000 jobs lost.

This will see those earning less than £17,000 have their rate cut from 59.3p per mile to the non taxable rate of 45p – the maximum tax-free rate recommended by the Inland Revenue.

Those earning up to £33,000 will see their rate cut from 53.5p to the tax free rate.

But unions say that reductions will hit hard-pressed workers such as carers and youth workers most because they use their own cars for their job, travelling hundreds of miles each year across one of the largest counties in England.

Recently, the county council confirmed 277 full-time jobs will be lost by the end of the next financial year, and that number could rocket to 1,000 over the next year.

Dozens of bus services and the historic Hythe ferry could be cut as the authority shaves 12 per cent off departments’ budgets over the next two years, while the county’s Community Safety Officers will also be axed.

About 8,000 county council staff will be affected in total by the cut in motoring expenses.

Unison, which says it represents most of them, is polling its members on whether to take industrial action, including strikes.

Branch secretary for Hampshire, Tim Cutter, said: “It is going to cost our members more than £100 each year at a time when they are already struggling and facing a national pay cut.

“The lower paid staff are also more likely to have older cars that are less efficient and are likely to have high maintenance.

“This will make it more difficult for staff to use their car and for the council to use their services.”

Mr Cutter said talks with the council, which has just passed a budget to save £93m, had proved futile, and called upon the council to dip into its £400m of reserves rather than penalising hardpressed staff. He said a ballot would be held within a month unless the council dropped its plans.

But the county council’s Tory administration says the cut will simply bring staff into line with the rate claimed in companies and councils across Britain.

Human resources chief Cllr Stephen Reid said: “Most other councils of similar size to Hampshire already reimburse their staff for business mileage at HMRC rates, and these proposed changes would therefore bring Hampshire into line with standard practice elsewhere.

“It could save around £800,000, and therefore help to protect jobs.”

Cllr Reid said in 2010 the county council had moved towards introducing the national “standard” by reducing mileage rates paid to higher graded staff.

The original proposal was to reduce the rate for all staff in one go, but the council decided against that at the time.

He added: “We are consulting on the proposed change and we will consider carefully the results of that consultation.”

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9:53am Fri 28 Mar 14

allstar says...

I do not see what all the fuss is about , Are these people using their private cars for work? , If so then what about their car insurance are the persons concerned declaring on their insurance that the car or van is being used for for work?.
Maybe we are paying for employees to travel to work?
The proposed cut is set by the HMRC Guidance and to believe that we were paying over the top in the past is not very fair, And will bring them into line with rest of the population.
I do not see what all the fuss is about , Are these people using their private cars for work? , If so then what about their car insurance are the persons concerned declaring on their insurance that the car or van is being used for for work?. Maybe we are paying for employees to travel to work? The proposed cut is set by the HMRC Guidance and to believe that we were paying over the top in the past is not very fair, And will bring them into line with rest of the population. allstar
  • Score: 5

10:27am Fri 28 Mar 14

Forest Resident says...

The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.
The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards. Forest Resident
  • Score: 15

10:52am Fri 28 Mar 14

Torchie1 says...

Forest Resident wrote:
The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.
With your blinkered views on transport I'm surprised that the suggested 'Pool' vehicles aren't bicycles.
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.[/p][/quote]With your blinkered views on transport I'm surprised that the suggested 'Pool' vehicles aren't bicycles. Torchie1
  • Score: -8

11:43am Fri 28 Mar 14

Maine Lobster says...

Forest Resident wrote:
The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.
The point here is that HCC know that providing pool cars is much more expensive than paying the staff the appropriate rate for their vehicle use. As the need to have a vehicle to do the job is essential, they take advantage of staff goodwill in exploiting the use of their car to deliver Council services and therefore subsidise HCC costs. A cynical move for which the staff ought to withdraw the use of their vehicles & then let the Council take the backlash when critical work is not done due to the HCC penny pinching!
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.[/p][/quote]The point here is that HCC know that providing pool cars is much more expensive than paying the staff the appropriate rate for their vehicle use. As the need to have a vehicle to do the job is essential, they take advantage of staff goodwill in exploiting the use of their car to deliver Council services and therefore subsidise HCC costs. A cynical move for which the staff ought to withdraw the use of their vehicles & then let the Council take the backlash when critical work is not done due to the HCC penny pinching! Maine Lobster
  • Score: 11

11:48am Fri 28 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

allstar wrote:
I do not see what all the fuss is about , Are these people using their private cars for work? , If so then what about their car insurance are the persons concerned declaring on their insurance that the car or van is being used for for work?.
Maybe we are paying for employees to travel to work?
The proposed cut is set by the HMRC Guidance and to believe that we were paying over the top in the past is not very fair, And will bring them into line with rest of the population.
Try reading the thread,it says "But unions say that reductions will hit hard-pressed workers such as carers and youth workers most because they use their own cars for their job, travelling hundreds of miles each year across one of the largest counties in England". FR has a good point, which is the cheapest option? Perhaps if whoever thought of this brilliant plan had known of the consequences they may have looked elsewhere for ways of saving money, starting with their own wage, they are being overpaid it would appear.
[quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: I do not see what all the fuss is about , Are these people using their private cars for work? , If so then what about their car insurance are the persons concerned declaring on their insurance that the car or van is being used for for work?. Maybe we are paying for employees to travel to work? The proposed cut is set by the HMRC Guidance and to believe that we were paying over the top in the past is not very fair, And will bring them into line with rest of the population.[/p][/quote]Try reading the thread,it says "But unions say that reductions will hit hard-pressed workers such as carers and youth workers most because they use their own cars for their job, travelling hundreds of miles each year across one of the largest counties in England". FR has a good point, which is the cheapest option? Perhaps if whoever thought of this brilliant plan had known of the consequences they may have looked elsewhere for ways of saving money, starting with their own wage, they are being overpaid it would appear. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 8

12:20pm Fri 28 Mar 14

allstar says...

The council seems to waste money on dishing out expensive cars to managers just to travel from home to work , This should be scrapped and the money saved should be given to key workers who really need transport to do do their jobs.
The council seems to waste money on dishing out expensive cars to managers just to travel from home to work , This should be scrapped and the money saved should be given to key workers who really need transport to do do their jobs. allstar
  • Score: 8

12:41pm Fri 28 Mar 14

S!monOn says...

Forest Resident wrote:
The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.
Out of curiosity.... what type of vehicle is used as a basis for your real world costs of motoring?
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.[/p][/quote]Out of curiosity.... what type of vehicle is used as a basis for your real world costs of motoring? S!monOn
  • Score: -2

12:47pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Maine Lobster says...

S!monOn wrote:
Forest Resident wrote: The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.
Out of curiosity.... what type of vehicle is used as a basis for your real world costs of motoring?
Local Authorities base their payments on modest engine capacities, so running a gas guzzler is not an advantage.
[quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.[/p][/quote]Out of curiosity.... what type of vehicle is used as a basis for your real world costs of motoring?[/p][/quote]Local Authorities base their payments on modest engine capacities, so running a gas guzzler is not an advantage. Maine Lobster
  • Score: 6

12:49pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Barney123 says...

53.5p a mile sounds like a cushy number....and they say the public sector don't have their perks! (sorry, I forgot about their gold-plated pensions, flexi-time, easy-going attitude about sick leave, additional leave for the Queens Corgi's birthday and 37.5 hour weeks).
53.5p a mile sounds like a cushy number....and they say the public sector don't have their perks! (sorry, I forgot about their gold-plated pensions, flexi-time, easy-going attitude about sick leave, additional leave for the Queens Corgi's birthday and 37.5 hour weeks). Barney123
  • Score: -3

1:05pm Fri 28 Mar 14

bam2000 says...

poor little piggies, is the trough getting empty? dont pay them a allowance at all and let them claim it back through the hmrc like some of us have to.
i bet they are more nift because they wont be able to get a new car out of the proceeds
poor little piggies, is the trough getting empty? dont pay them a allowance at all and let them claim it back through the hmrc like some of us have to. i bet they are more nift because they wont be able to get a new car out of the proceeds bam2000
  • Score: -4

1:13pm Fri 28 Mar 14

bam2000 says...

allstar wrote:
The council seems to waste money on dishing out expensive cars to managers just to travel from home to work , This should be scrapped and the money saved should be given to key workers who really need transport to do do their jobs.
do do pay tax on company cars you know.
[quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: The council seems to waste money on dishing out expensive cars to managers just to travel from home to work , This should be scrapped and the money saved should be given to key workers who really need transport to do do their jobs.[/p][/quote]do do pay tax on company cars you know. bam2000
  • Score: 1

1:13pm Fri 28 Mar 14

bam2000 says...

allstar wrote:
The council seems to waste money on dishing out expensive cars to managers just to travel from home to work , This should be scrapped and the money saved should be given to key workers who really need transport to do do their jobs.
do do pay tax on company cars you know.
[quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: The council seems to waste money on dishing out expensive cars to managers just to travel from home to work , This should be scrapped and the money saved should be given to key workers who really need transport to do do their jobs.[/p][/quote]do do pay tax on company cars you know. bam2000
  • Score: -1

1:14pm Fri 28 Mar 14

bam2000 says...

Forest Resident wrote:
The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.
45ppm is good, greed is the main driving force
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.[/p][/quote]45ppm is good, greed is the main driving force bam2000
  • Score: -1

1:16pm Fri 28 Mar 14

bam2000 says...

bam2000 wrote:
allstar wrote:
The council seems to waste money on dishing out expensive cars to managers just to travel from home to work , This should be scrapped and the money saved should be given to key workers who really need transport to do do their jobs.
do do pay tax on company cars you know.
pmsl, do do
[quote][p][bold]bam2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allstar[/bold] wrote: The council seems to waste money on dishing out expensive cars to managers just to travel from home to work , This should be scrapped and the money saved should be given to key workers who really need transport to do do their jobs.[/p][/quote]do do pay tax on company cars you know.[/p][/quote]pmsl, do do bam2000
  • Score: 0

1:57pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Lone Ranger. says...

bam2000 wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.
45ppm is good, greed is the main driving force
45p is not good ..... but it is the maximum before it is taxed.
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Greed is not the main driving force ata all. ...... Its about allowing the "company" to effectively use your car for their business and at 45p it barely covers running costs ( fuel, tyres, insurance, servicing) let alone depreciation etc
[quote][p][bold]bam2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.[/p][/quote]45ppm is good, greed is the main driving force[/p][/quote]45p is not good ..... but it is the maximum before it is taxed. . Greed is not the main driving force ata all. ...... Its about allowing the "company" to effectively use your car for their business and at 45p it barely covers running costs ( fuel, tyres, insurance, servicing) let alone depreciation etc Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 8

2:58pm Fri 28 Mar 14

bam2000 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
bam2000 wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.
45ppm is good, greed is the main driving force
45p is not good ..... but it is the maximum before it is taxed.
.
Greed is not the main driving force ata all. ...... Its about allowing the "company" to effectively use your car for their business and at 45p it barely covers running costs ( fuel, tyres, insurance, servicing) let alone depreciation etc
dont use your car then, if you choose to use your car 45p is ample. 300 miles is £135. it aint a bad return when it would cost in real terms only £48. you cannot factor in servicing costs as you would have to stand that yourself any way.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bam2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.[/p][/quote]45ppm is good, greed is the main driving force[/p][/quote]45p is not good ..... but it is the maximum before it is taxed. . Greed is not the main driving force ata all. ...... Its about allowing the "company" to effectively use your car for their business and at 45p it barely covers running costs ( fuel, tyres, insurance, servicing) let alone depreciation etc[/p][/quote]dont use your car then, if you choose to use your car 45p is ample. 300 miles is £135. it aint a bad return when it would cost in real terms only £48. you cannot factor in servicing costs as you would have to stand that yourself any way. bam2000
  • Score: -1

3:15pm Fri 28 Mar 14

good-gosh says...

45 pence a mile is twice the user cost.
45 pence a mile is twice the user cost. good-gosh
  • Score: -5

3:26pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Thelma _wheeler41 says...

Workers should not have to use their own cars for work the fat cats at the top all have cars for driving around in their leisure time 45p is an insult they should supply a company car ( good luck to you all in your protest )
Workers should not have to use their own cars for work the fat cats at the top all have cars for driving around in their leisure time 45p is an insult they should supply a company car ( good luck to you all in your protest ) Thelma _wheeler41
  • Score: 5

3:43pm Fri 28 Mar 14

chimneysweep 1234 says...

Bloody ....... They get good fuel alowence ..what the hell they moaning about caras get 18 p
Bloody ....... They get good fuel alowence ..what the hell they moaning about caras get 18 p chimneysweep 1234
  • Score: -4

3:58pm Fri 28 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Is there a clever dick out there that knows what other Councils do in comparison?
Is there a clever dick out there that knows what other Councils do in comparison? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

4:08pm Fri 28 Mar 14

S Pance says...

45p per mile is more than fair!

Most vehicles cost
45p per mile is more than fair! Most vehicles cost S Pance
  • Score: -4

4:13pm Fri 28 Mar 14

S Pance says...

Loving the way the Unite banner above is saying "No to TORY cuts" yet the City council is LABOUR controlled and the Government is a COALITION!

However, Unite don't want to admit that LABOUR is behind this!!
Loving the way the Unite banner above is saying "No to TORY cuts" yet the City council is LABOUR controlled and the Government is a COALITION! However, Unite don't want to admit that LABOUR is behind this!! S Pance
  • Score: -2

4:13pm Fri 28 Mar 14

S Pance says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
bam2000 wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.
45ppm is good, greed is the main driving force
45p is not good ..... but it is the maximum before it is taxed.
.
Greed is not the main driving force ata all. ...... Its about allowing the "company" to effectively use your car for their business and at 45p it barely covers running costs ( fuel, tyres, insurance, servicing) let alone depreciation etc
45p more than covers it. As others have said it's about double the real world cost.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bam2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.[/p][/quote]45ppm is good, greed is the main driving force[/p][/quote]45p is not good ..... but it is the maximum before it is taxed. . Greed is not the main driving force ata all. ...... Its about allowing the "company" to effectively use your car for their business and at 45p it barely covers running costs ( fuel, tyres, insurance, servicing) let alone depreciation etc[/p][/quote]45p more than covers it. As others have said it's about double the real world cost. S Pance
  • Score: -3

4:23pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Maine Lobster says...

bam2000 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
bam2000 wrote:
Forest Resident wrote: The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.
45ppm is good, greed is the main driving force
45p is not good ..... but it is the maximum before it is taxed. . Greed is not the main driving force ata all. ...... Its about allowing the "company" to effectively use your car for their business and at 45p it barely covers running costs ( fuel, tyres, insurance, servicing) let alone depreciation etc
dont use your car then, if you choose to use your car 45p is ample. 300 miles is £135. it aint a bad return when it would cost in real terms only £48. you cannot factor in servicing costs as you would have to stand that yourself any way.
Not forgetting many of these employees are contractually obliged to provide a car to do their job on the basis of receiving an agreed allowance, only for their employer to reduce it!
[quote][p][bold]bam2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bam2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.[/p][/quote]45ppm is good, greed is the main driving force[/p][/quote]45p is not good ..... but it is the maximum before it is taxed. . Greed is not the main driving force ata all. ...... Its about allowing the "company" to effectively use your car for their business and at 45p it barely covers running costs ( fuel, tyres, insurance, servicing) let alone depreciation etc[/p][/quote]dont use your car then, if you choose to use your car 45p is ample. 300 miles is £135. it aint a bad return when it would cost in real terms only £48. you cannot factor in servicing costs as you would have to stand that yourself any way.[/p][/quote]Not forgetting many of these employees are contractually obliged to provide a car to do their job on the basis of receiving an agreed allowance, only for their employer to reduce it! Maine Lobster
  • Score: 3

5:35pm Fri 28 Mar 14

issacchunt says...

Forest Resident wrote:
The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.
How does it not stack up, at 45p on a average 30mpg thats £13.50 per gallon or more with a sensible frugal car. Even with insurance and wear and tear it's still an earner. The present 59p is ridiculous, near £18 or more per gallon used.

If this recession has done one thing it's righting a few wrongs, only the bloody minded would refuse to accept and insist on a pool car etc.
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.[/p][/quote]How does it not stack up, at 45p on a average 30mpg thats £13.50 per gallon or more with a sensible frugal car. Even with insurance and wear and tear it's still an earner. The present 59p is ridiculous, near £18 or more per gallon used. If this recession has done one thing it's righting a few wrongs, only the bloody minded would refuse to accept and insist on a pool car etc. issacchunt
  • Score: -6

5:55pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Lone Ranger. says...

bam2000 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
bam2000 wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.
45ppm is good, greed is the main driving force
45p is not good ..... but it is the maximum before it is taxed.
.
Greed is not the main driving force ata all. ...... Its about allowing the "company" to effectively use your car for their business and at 45p it barely covers running costs ( fuel, tyres, insurance, servicing) let alone depreciation etc
dont use your car then, if you choose to use your car 45p is ample. 300 miles is £135. it aint a bad return when it would cost in real terms only £48. you cannot factor in servicing costs as you would have to stand that yourself any way.
Do you really have any idea on the subject at all ?
.
Have YOU ever run or expensed your car this way ?
[quote][p][bold]bam2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bam2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.[/p][/quote]45ppm is good, greed is the main driving force[/p][/quote]45p is not good ..... but it is the maximum before it is taxed. . Greed is not the main driving force ata all. ...... Its about allowing the "company" to effectively use your car for their business and at 45p it barely covers running costs ( fuel, tyres, insurance, servicing) let alone depreciation etc[/p][/quote]dont use your car then, if you choose to use your car 45p is ample. 300 miles is £135. it aint a bad return when it would cost in real terms only £48. you cannot factor in servicing costs as you would have to stand that yourself any way.[/p][/quote]Do you really have any idea on the subject at all ? . Have YOU ever run or expensed your car this way ? Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 3

7:46pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Maine Lobster says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
bam2000 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
bam2000 wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.
45ppm is good, greed is the main driving force
45p is not good ..... but it is the maximum before it is taxed.
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Greed is not the main driving force ata all. ...... Its about allowing the "company" to effectively use your car for their business and at 45p it barely covers running costs ( fuel, tyres, insurance, servicing) let alone depreciation etc
dont use your car then, if you choose to use your car 45p is ample. 300 miles is £135. it aint a bad return when it would cost in real terms only £48. you cannot factor in servicing costs as you would have to stand that yourself any way.
Do you really have any idea on the subject at all ?
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Have YOU ever run or expensed your car this way ?
No he doesn't, simple.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bam2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bam2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: The HMRC guidleine figures simply do not stack up in respect of covering the real world actual costs of fuel, business insurance, & wear & tear per mile. As far as I am aware most staff have the right to withdraw the use of their own vehicle for work purposes, and with this is mind I suggest that they should exercise that right and leave HCC to provide adequate pool vehicles with fuel cards.[/p][/quote]45ppm is good, greed is the main driving force[/p][/quote]45p is not good ..... but it is the maximum before it is taxed. . Greed is not the main driving force ata all. ...... Its about allowing the "company" to effectively use your car for their business and at 45p it barely covers running costs ( fuel, tyres, insurance, servicing) let alone depreciation etc[/p][/quote]dont use your car then, if you choose to use your car 45p is ample. 300 miles is £135. it aint a bad return when it would cost in real terms only £48. you cannot factor in servicing costs as you would have to stand that yourself any way.[/p][/quote]Do you really have any idea on the subject at all ? . Have YOU ever run or expensed your car this way ?[/p][/quote]No he doesn't, simple. Maine Lobster
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7:50pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Maine Lobster says...

S Pance wrote:
Loving the way the Unite banner above is saying "No to TORY cuts" yet the City council is LABOUR controlled and the Government is a COALITION!

However, Unite don't want to admit that LABOUR is behind this!!
Councils of all political colours are being forced into making cuts because of central government cuts to Council funding! It may be a coalition in name but it is effectively a Tory government. Understand now?
[quote][p][bold]S Pance[/bold] wrote: Loving the way the Unite banner above is saying "No to TORY cuts" yet the City council is LABOUR controlled and the Government is a COALITION! However, Unite don't want to admit that LABOUR is behind this!![/p][/quote]Councils of all political colours are being forced into making cuts because of central government cuts to Council funding! It may be a coalition in name but it is effectively a Tory government. Understand now? Maine Lobster
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10:26pm Fri 28 Mar 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
S Pance wrote:
Loving the way the Unite banner above is saying "No to TORY cuts" yet the City council is LABOUR controlled and the Government is a COALITION!

However, Unite don't want to admit that LABOUR is behind this!!
Councils of all political colours are being forced into making cuts because of central government cuts to Council funding! It may be a coalition in name but it is effectively a Tory government. Understand now?
There's a fascinating interactive map here which shows where the cuts have hit hardest: http://public.tablea
usoftware.com/profil
e/#!/vizhome/2014012
60-sgs/Map

Winchester has it relatively easy - it's lost about £30 per person of central government grant towards local services. Southampton has lost £150 over the same time period. Southampton has a Labour administration but as Maine Lobster points out, it is having to work under these government constraints.
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S Pance[/bold] wrote: Loving the way the Unite banner above is saying "No to TORY cuts" yet the City council is LABOUR controlled and the Government is a COALITION! However, Unite don't want to admit that LABOUR is behind this!![/p][/quote]Councils of all political colours are being forced into making cuts because of central government cuts to Council funding! It may be a coalition in name but it is effectively a Tory government. Understand now?[/p][/quote]There's a fascinating interactive map here which shows where the cuts have hit hardest: http://public.tablea usoftware.com/profil e/#!/vizhome/2014012 60-sgs/Map Winchester has it relatively easy - it's lost about £30 per person of central government grant towards local services. Southampton has lost £150 over the same time period. Southampton has a Labour administration but as Maine Lobster points out, it is having to work under these government constraints. WalkingOnAWire
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