Michelle Parker and her puppy attacked by Staffordshire Bull Terrier in Southampton

Daily Echo: Michelle Parker and her puppy Toby Michelle Parker and her puppy Toby

A MUM has told of the terrifying moment an out-of-control dog attacked her in a public park, biting her face three times.

Michelle Parker had stepped in to stop her puppy being mauled to death by what is believed to Staffordshire bull terrier, which was not on a lead at the time.

It had grabbed her eight-month-old Pomeranian Toby in its jaws and was savaging it in Cutbush Lane Recreation Ground, Townhill Park, Southampton.

Her ordeal only ended when the owner grabbed the raging dog, giving Michelle time to escape with Toby.

Michelle, 43, needed treatment at Southampton General Hospital for a cut lip, bites to her right ear and bruising on her cheek.

Michelle, who works as a solicitor at Eric Robinson in Southampton, said: “I was just walking along with Toby who was on a leash, and I heard some shouting and I heard the owner shout at his dog which was running towards my dog at a million miles an hour.

“Toby started to run off and he was quite scared. I could not get hold of him and the dog was biting him and throwing him around like a ragdoll.

Daily Echo: Michelle Parker shortly after she was attacked by a dog in Townhill ParkMichelle Parker in the aftermath of the attack

As I leaned down to pick him up, that was when the dog went for me and bit me in the face. At the time my only concern was for Toby, if I had not stepped in he would have mauled him to death.

“I was not concerned about me, I was just scared about my dog. The dog could have bitten my ear off for all I care, I just wanted to save Toby.”

The dog’s owner was a young man who was with a group of several people at the time including a young girl. There was also another Staffordshire bull terrier type dog running around the field without a lead.

After the attack Michelle, mum to 16-yearold daughter Chloe, said the owner apologised and said his dog had never done anything like that previously, but he refused to put the dog on a lead. He later ran off when witnesses asked him to give his details.

Daily Echo: Michelle Parker's scras following the dog attackMichelle Parker's injuries

Police were called and Michelle, of Torridge Gardens, West End, was taken to Southampton General Hospital by South Central Ambulance Service. Toby was treated at Beech House Veterinary Centre in West End Road, Bitterne, for injuries to his back. He was given injections and is now on painkillers.

Hampshire police are investigating the attack at 7pm on Wednesday and appealing for witnesses. Anyone with information should ring Eastleigh police station on 101.

  • Additional reporting by Megan Thomas

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9:39am Fri 11 Apr 14

Randoor says...

I hope they find the owner and he or she is prosecuted , and the dog is destroyed before this happens again.
The Staffordshire bull terrier and other so called tough dogs has become a status dog for many people who clearly do not have a clue about training and how to even care for their animals.
This type of person needs to know that failure to control their dog will result in a hefty prison sentence , Giving them a fine is no deterrent because they will probably plead poverty and arrange to pay it back at £1.00 per week.
This needs a wake up call to those who fail to control their dogs.
I hope they find the owner and he or she is prosecuted , and the dog is destroyed before this happens again. The Staffordshire bull terrier and other so called tough dogs has become a status dog for many people who clearly do not have a clue about training and how to even care for their animals. This type of person needs to know that failure to control their dog will result in a hefty prison sentence , Giving them a fine is no deterrent because they will probably plead poverty and arrange to pay it back at £1.00 per week. This needs a wake up call to those who fail to control their dogs. Randoor
  • Score: 119

9:54am Fri 11 Apr 14

sotonboy84 says...

Poor women and poor dog, I really feel for them. I'm a dog owner but a responsible one. I completely trust my dogs and believe they wouldn't hurt anybody BUT I'm fully aware that they're animals and could easily be spooked. They're kept on leads wherever they're walked for their own safety and safety of others. Even if a dog wouldn't attack anybody, walking it down a road with no lead is highly irresponsible. What if it got spooked and ran into the road and caused a crash?

There's a correlation between a lot of owners of these Staffy type dogs and attacks because they seem to be owened by a lot of idiots! The amount of them I've seen walking around with no leads and an owner half naked and a can of beer in one hand… As the above comment says, for a lot of people they're status dogs and owned by people that can't look after themselves, let alone an animal.

The amount of times I've had to pick my dogs up because these types of dogs run over to mine off lead and start growling or barking. You don't even get an apology from the owner, just a whistle to call their dog back. Rules around owing dogs need to be much stricter. People should by law me made to have a licence and any un-licenced dogs taken away and the owner given a hefty fine.
Poor women and poor dog, I really feel for them. I'm a dog owner but a responsible one. I completely trust my dogs and believe they wouldn't hurt anybody BUT I'm fully aware that they're animals and could easily be spooked. They're kept on leads wherever they're walked for their own safety and safety of others. Even if a dog wouldn't attack anybody, walking it down a road with no lead is highly irresponsible. What if it got spooked and ran into the road and caused a crash? There's a correlation between a lot of owners of these Staffy type dogs and attacks because they seem to be owened by a lot of idiots! The amount of them I've seen walking around with no leads and an owner half naked and a can of beer in one hand… As the above comment says, for a lot of people they're status dogs and owned by people that can't look after themselves, let alone an animal. The amount of times I've had to pick my dogs up because these types of dogs run over to mine off lead and start growling or barking. You don't even get an apology from the owner, just a whistle to call their dog back. Rules around owing dogs need to be much stricter. People should by law me made to have a licence and any un-licenced dogs taken away and the owner given a hefty fine. sotonboy84
  • Score: 89

9:55am Fri 11 Apr 14

rich the stitch says...

There's a lesson for everyone in this story. Unless you've got a staffy or you're wearing a Burberry cap keep away from townhill park.
There's a lesson for everyone in this story. Unless you've got a staffy or you're wearing a Burberry cap keep away from townhill park. rich the stitch
  • Score: 43

9:55am Fri 11 Apr 14

bigfella777 says...

Staffy again, how many more times before this evil breed is banned?
Staffy again, how many more times before this evil breed is banned? bigfella777
  • Score: -80

10:03am Fri 11 Apr 14

Brite Spark says...

Poor lady.

I agree with bigfella - the cons outway the pros of having Staffordshire Bull Terriers in our society, they (and unfortunately some of their owners), should be culled.
Poor lady. I agree with bigfella - the cons outway the pros of having Staffordshire Bull Terriers in our society, they (and unfortunately some of their owners), should be culled. Brite Spark
  • Score: -49

10:25am Fri 11 Apr 14

elvisimo says...

Brite Spark wrote:
Poor lady.

I agree with bigfella - the cons outway the pros of having Staffordshire Bull Terriers in our society, they (and unfortunately some of their owners), should be culled.
no problem with the breed - it is unfortunately they type of person that gets these dogs - generally scum bags.

Years ago one had a pop at my dog on Southampton common. the owner was outraged (i.e came out with their full vocabulary of slurred swear words) when I drop kicked their do into a bush. no surprise to hear they were about 20 stone and fully "chaved" up.
[quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: Poor lady. I agree with bigfella - the cons outway the pros of having Staffordshire Bull Terriers in our society, they (and unfortunately some of their owners), should be culled.[/p][/quote]no problem with the breed - it is unfortunately they type of person that gets these dogs - generally scum bags. Years ago one had a pop at my dog on Southampton common. the owner was outraged (i.e came out with their full vocabulary of slurred swear words) when I drop kicked their do into a bush. no surprise to hear they were about 20 stone and fully "chaved" up. elvisimo
  • Score: 83

10:27am Fri 11 Apr 14

sallyrdn says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Staffy again, how many more times before this evil breed is banned?
This breed is not evil, when properly trained and socialised they are lovely, gentle dogs. They were called Nanny dogs in the olden days as they were so good with children.
As usual it's the owners to blame and the dogs get put down. Don't tar all Staffies with the same brush.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Staffy again, how many more times before this evil breed is banned?[/p][/quote]This breed is not evil, when properly trained and socialised they are lovely, gentle dogs. They were called Nanny dogs in the olden days as they were so good with children. As usual it's the owners to blame and the dogs get put down. Don't tar all Staffies with the same brush. sallyrdn
  • Score: 158

10:37am Fri 11 Apr 14

alan.of.eastleigh says...

elvisimo wrote:
Brite Spark wrote:
Poor lady.

I agree with bigfella - the cons outway the pros of having Staffordshire Bull Terriers in our society, they (and unfortunately some of their owners), should be culled.
no problem with the breed - it is unfortunately they type of person that gets these dogs - generally scum bags.

Years ago one had a pop at my dog on Southampton common. the owner was outraged (i.e came out with their full vocabulary of slurred swear words) when I drop kicked their do into a bush. no surprise to hear they were about 20 stone and fully "chaved" up.
Pot? Kettle?
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: Poor lady. I agree with bigfella - the cons outway the pros of having Staffordshire Bull Terriers in our society, they (and unfortunately some of their owners), should be culled.[/p][/quote]no problem with the breed - it is unfortunately they type of person that gets these dogs - generally scum bags. Years ago one had a pop at my dog on Southampton common. the owner was outraged (i.e came out with their full vocabulary of slurred swear words) when I drop kicked their do into a bush. no surprise to hear they were about 20 stone and fully "chaved" up.[/p][/quote]Pot? Kettle? alan.of.eastleigh
  • Score: 14

10:38am Fri 11 Apr 14

Sandyws says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Staffy again, how many more times before this evil breed is banned?
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, 'evil breed' i've owned 3 staffys, none of which have been aggressive. They have been my babies & not had a bad bone in them! Any dog can act aggressive, its down to the owners not the dogs!!!
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Staffy again, how many more times before this evil breed is banned?[/p][/quote]You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, 'evil breed' i've owned 3 staffys, none of which have been aggressive. They have been my babies & not had a bad bone in them! Any dog can act aggressive, its down to the owners not the dogs!!! Sandyws
  • Score: 108

10:40am Fri 11 Apr 14

camerajuan says...

Absolutely no qualms about "Gavin Hastings"-ing a savage dog in the knackers when it's attacking a dog, myself or anyone I happen to be near at the time.

Best way to make them release their hold if its a male. If a female, choke them using a stick. Owner can have no logical comeback although they surely will.
Absolutely no qualms about "Gavin Hastings"-ing a savage dog in the knackers when it's attacking a dog, myself or anyone I happen to be near at the time. Best way to make them release their hold if its a male. If a female, choke them using a stick. Owner can have no logical comeback although they surely will. camerajuan
  • Score: 22

10:54am Fri 11 Apr 14

maggiewatts2@btinternet.com says...

Once, with my small dog who was on a lead at Cutbush Lane recreation ground (again during school holidays) I was confronted by 2 young lads and one girl who had 6 Staffordshire bull terriers running around off lead, the dogs appeared to be of different ages, so can only assume they are being bred and kept, these dogs then started to form a pack and we were literally chased from the park by these vicious snarling dogs with my little dog terrified in my arms. I feel so sorry for this lady and her little dog and hope they will both recover from their ordeal. I too would have protected my dog with no thought to myself.
Once, with my small dog who was on a lead at Cutbush Lane recreation ground (again during school holidays) I was confronted by 2 young lads and one girl who had 6 Staffordshire bull terriers running around off lead, the dogs appeared to be of different ages, so can only assume they are being bred and kept, these dogs then started to form a pack and we were literally chased from the park by these vicious snarling dogs with my little dog terrified in my arms. I feel so sorry for this lady and her little dog and hope they will both recover from their ordeal. I too would have protected my dog with no thought to myself. maggiewatts2@btinternet.com
  • Score: 37

10:55am Fri 11 Apr 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

People who want dangerous dogs should be made to get a licence. Then they would have to go through a process to determine if they can handle and look after a dog!
People who want dangerous dogs should be made to get a licence. Then they would have to go through a process to determine if they can handle and look after a dog! SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 49

10:57am Fri 11 Apr 14

sotonboy84 says...

sallyrdn wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Staffy again, how many more times before this evil breed is banned?
This breed is not evil, when properly trained and socialised they are lovely, gentle dogs. They were called Nanny dogs in the olden days as they were so good with children.
As usual it's the owners to blame and the dogs get put down. Don't tar all Staffies with the same brush.
I agree to an extent, with any dog it's down to the owner and how they train them (or don't train them...)

A Staffy is a terrier though and was used for hunting and fighting so they naturally have this instinct in them. It's easy to make a dog like this aggressive on purpose because it can make some of the halfwit owners feel tough and like real men. It's these owners that should be put down before they 'breed' any more dangerous animals.

Sadly in this case though, this dog has been failed by its owner and will have to be destroyed in case it attacks again.
[quote][p][bold]sallyrdn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Staffy again, how many more times before this evil breed is banned?[/p][/quote]This breed is not evil, when properly trained and socialised they are lovely, gentle dogs. They were called Nanny dogs in the olden days as they were so good with children. As usual it's the owners to blame and the dogs get put down. Don't tar all Staffies with the same brush.[/p][/quote]I agree to an extent, with any dog it's down to the owner and how they train them (or don't train them...) A Staffy is a terrier though and was used for hunting and fighting so they naturally have this instinct in them. It's easy to make a dog like this aggressive on purpose because it can make some of the halfwit owners feel tough and like real men. It's these owners that should be put down before they 'breed' any more dangerous animals. Sadly in this case though, this dog has been failed by its owner and will have to be destroyed in case it attacks again. sotonboy84
  • Score: 37

11:02am Fri 11 Apr 14

sotonboy84 says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
People who want dangerous dogs should be made to get a licence. Then they would have to go through a process to determine if they can handle and look after a dog!
People with ANY dog should be made to have one and failure to have one should carry a heafty fine or prison sentence. If you're a responsible owner you will have no issue with having one and it might make attacks like this a lot rarer.

How many more people and children need to be attacked/ killed before a logical step is taken?
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: People who want dangerous dogs should be made to get a licence. Then they would have to go through a process to determine if they can handle and look after a dog![/p][/quote]People with ANY dog should be made to have one and failure to have one should carry a heafty fine or prison sentence. If you're a responsible owner you will have no issue with having one and it might make attacks like this a lot rarer. How many more people and children need to be attacked/ killed before a logical step is taken? sotonboy84
  • Score: 37

11:14am Fri 11 Apr 14

jofabulous says...

My best friend has a staffie and she is the softest, most playful loving dog you could wish to meet. But my friend would never dream of having her running about off the leash in a public place! Once again, it is the owners, not the breed who need culling.
My best friend has a staffie and she is the softest, most playful loving dog you could wish to meet. But my friend would never dream of having her running about off the leash in a public place! Once again, it is the owners, not the breed who need culling. jofabulous
  • Score: 71

11:22am Fri 11 Apr 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

licence and liability insurance should be the standard.
licence and liability insurance should be the standard. Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: 36

11:56am Fri 11 Apr 14

daisy.talks says...

Why do these chavs insist on giving respectable dog owners a bad name? He could have at least had the b@lls to stick around and make sure the Pom was okay, exchange details etc.
With the compulsory microchipping coming into place soon they should introduce personal insurance too, along with essential basic training and socialisation.
Or muzzles, no dog is 100% trustworthy and the addition of a muzzle will provide that extra security if your dog does take a dislike to another. You must also understand that Bull Breeds have a very high prey drive, attracted to small moving things, this can be worked on.
No description of the dog or owner? Keep an eye on Gumtree, the poor dog is probably for sale for a pittance on there
Why do these chavs insist on giving respectable dog owners a bad name? He could have at least had the b@lls to stick around and make sure the Pom was okay, exchange details etc. With the compulsory microchipping coming into place soon they should introduce personal insurance too, along with essential basic training and socialisation. Or muzzles, no dog is 100% trustworthy and the addition of a muzzle will provide that extra security if your dog does take a dislike to another. You must also understand that Bull Breeds have a very high prey drive, attracted to small moving things, this can be worked on. No description of the dog or owner? Keep an eye on Gumtree, the poor dog is probably for sale for a pittance on there daisy.talks
  • Score: 13

11:59am Fri 11 Apr 14

bobby the crane says...

Staffs can be great dogs good with children & families etc if brought up in the right environment from a puppy, if they are ''not'' they can be vicious & will attack other dogs at will, in this case the blame lies completely on the owner for not having the dog on a leash in a public area, & unfortunately for the dog it should be put down as it will never change, due to it's upbringing
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Staffs can be great dogs good with children & families etc if brought up in the right environment from a puppy, if they are ''not'' they can be vicious & will attack other dogs at will, in this case the blame lies completely on the owner for not having the dog on a leash in a public area, & unfortunately for the dog it should be put down as it will never change, due to it's upbringing , bobby the crane
  • Score: 16

12:05pm Fri 11 Apr 14

sammie.beer1994 says...

about a month ago me and my partner was involved with an incident with this dog in townhill park, we went to take out 9 year old springer spaniel zous for a walk and not even within a minute of leaving our house a brown female staffordshire bull terrier came bounding down the road towards us growling barking and showing her teeth, being animal lovers and very protective of our dog my partner immediately picked our dog zous up so he wasnt in danger of being attacked or hurt and the dog was running around his feed trying to jump up to attack our dog. i was very angry with the owners and the fact the dog was not on a lead and they clearly had no control over her either, the women was very defensive but the man was a bit more understanding, fortunately no one was harmed in this incident but this poor women and her puppy have been a victim of this dogs and her owners bad behavior. a stop needs to be put to this and it is giving other dogs and owners a bad name! i hope they find this dog soon and no one else is hurt or injured!
about a month ago me and my partner was involved with an incident with this dog in townhill park, we went to take out 9 year old springer spaniel zous for a walk and not even within a minute of leaving our house a brown female staffordshire bull terrier came bounding down the road towards us growling barking and showing her teeth, being animal lovers and very protective of our dog my partner immediately picked our dog zous up so he wasnt in danger of being attacked or hurt and the dog was running around his feed trying to jump up to attack our dog. i was very angry with the owners and the fact the dog was not on a lead and they clearly had no control over her either, the women was very defensive but the man was a bit more understanding, fortunately no one was harmed in this incident but this poor women and her puppy have been a victim of this dogs and her owners bad behavior. a stop needs to be put to this and it is giving other dogs and owners a bad name! i hope they find this dog soon and no one else is hurt or injured! sammie.beer1994
  • Score: 25

12:23pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Wendih says...

sallyrdn wrote:
bigfella777 wrote: Staffy again, how many more times before this evil breed is banned?
This breed is not evil, when properly trained and socialised they are lovely, gentle dogs. They were called Nanny dogs in the olden days as they were so good with children. As usual it's the owners to blame and the dogs get put down. Don't tar all Staffies with the same brush.
They were not called the nanny dogs! That was the pit bull.
[quote][p][bold]sallyrdn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Staffy again, how many more times before this evil breed is banned?[/p][/quote]This breed is not evil, when properly trained and socialised they are lovely, gentle dogs. They were called Nanny dogs in the olden days as they were so good with children. As usual it's the owners to blame and the dogs get put down. Don't tar all Staffies with the same brush.[/p][/quote]They were not called the nanny dogs! That was the pit bull. Wendih
  • Score: -8

12:51pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Inform Al says...

I have a friend with a staffy, the dog is a well kept friendly animal, but there again it is properly looked after. I tend to refer to staffies as Dork dogs because there is usually a dork nearby.
I have a friend with a staffy, the dog is a well kept friendly animal, but there again it is properly looked after. I tend to refer to staffies as Dork dogs because there is usually a dork nearby. Inform Al
  • Score: 11

12:56pm Fri 11 Apr 14

bigfella777 says...

I have a staffy, I know someone with a staffy, my staffys lovely, he is so cuddly and then one day it snaps and people get hurt. Its a chavs dog, they are ugly,they look stupid and so do you when you're with it. Grow up.
I have a staffy, I know someone with a staffy, my staffys lovely, he is so cuddly and then one day it snaps and people get hurt. Its a chavs dog, they are ugly,they look stupid and so do you when you're with it. Grow up. bigfella777
  • Score: -36

1:07pm Fri 11 Apr 14

dimebag99 says...

i used to walk my dog there,but will not anymore so many totally irresponsible people who go to this area ,who have no idea of how to look after a pet.
i used to walk my dog there,but will not anymore so many totally irresponsible people who go to this area ,who have no idea of how to look after a pet. dimebag99
  • Score: 11

1:11pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Jordan20 says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Staffy again, how many more times before this evil breed is banned?
ermm all breeds are dangerous its all to how the staffods are brought up i have one n disgusted with your comment some are own by complete idots but brought up right they can be the best breed of dog ****** DEED NOT BREED******
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Staffy again, how many more times before this evil breed is banned?[/p][/quote]ermm all breeds are dangerous its all to how the staffods are brought up i have one n disgusted with your comment some are own by complete idots but brought up right they can be the best breed of dog ****** DEED NOT BREED****** Jordan20
  • Score: 36

1:16pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Jordan20 says...

camerajuan wrote:
Absolutely no qualms about "Gavin Hastings"-ing a savage dog in the knackers when it's attacking a dog, myself or anyone I happen to be near at the time.

Best way to make them release their hold if its a male. If a female, choke them using a stick. Owner can have no logical comeback although they surely will.
THATS NOT THE BEST WAY THE WAY TOO MAKE THEM RELEASE IS PRESSING UNDER THERE TOUNGE NO CHOCKING NEEDED
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: Absolutely no qualms about "Gavin Hastings"-ing a savage dog in the knackers when it's attacking a dog, myself or anyone I happen to be near at the time. Best way to make them release their hold if its a male. If a female, choke them using a stick. Owner can have no logical comeback although they surely will.[/p][/quote]THATS NOT THE BEST WAY THE WAY TOO MAKE THEM RELEASE IS PRESSING UNDER THERE TOUNGE NO CHOCKING NEEDED Jordan20
  • Score: -5

1:17pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Jordan20 says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
People who want dangerous dogs should be made to get a licence. Then they would have to go through a process to determine if they can handle and look after a dog!
All Breeds can be dangerous not just bull breeds you need to go educate yourself
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: People who want dangerous dogs should be made to get a licence. Then they would have to go through a process to determine if they can handle and look after a dog![/p][/quote]All Breeds can be dangerous not just bull breeds you need to go educate yourself Jordan20
  • Score: 14

1:39pm Fri 11 Apr 14

chaz666 says...

cant believe the amount of comments saying staffies should be culled. I have a staffie that is the most loving dog in the world. Jack russels are more likely to attack that a staff and I think people should stop being so ignorant. My staffy has been bitten by several dogs and not once retaliated, she is now scared of other dogs. the dogs that have attacked her have been jack russels, collies, shitzu's and even a Labrador!! open you're eyes you complete morons

if this was a different breed im sure it wouldn't be quite so publicised!!!
cant believe the amount of comments saying staffies should be culled. I have a staffie that is the most loving dog in the world. Jack russels are more likely to attack that a staff and I think people should stop being so ignorant. My staffy has been bitten by several dogs and not once retaliated, she is now scared of other dogs. the dogs that have attacked her have been jack russels, collies, shitzu's and even a Labrador!! open you're eyes you complete morons if this was a different breed im sure it wouldn't be quite so publicised!!! chaz666
  • Score: 26

1:39pm Fri 11 Apr 14

JennyC87 says...

Hi, I'm sorry to hear of this... I live directly opposite these playing fields and didn't hear the commotion. I regularly see dogs off lead... My cats have been attacked by dogs off lead where they have run onto my own property abd front garden, council did nothing as it was just a cat they said... If they had done something sooner and been more strict with dogs on leads this nay never have have happened to this lady abd her dog... I will be keeping a close eye out for these dogs now to make sure they don't harm anyone else!!
Hi, I'm sorry to hear of this... I live directly opposite these playing fields and didn't hear the commotion. I regularly see dogs off lead... My cats have been attacked by dogs off lead where they have run onto my own property abd front garden, council did nothing as it was just a cat they said... If they had done something sooner and been more strict with dogs on leads this nay never have have happened to this lady abd her dog... I will be keeping a close eye out for these dogs now to make sure they don't harm anyone else!! JennyC87
  • Score: 14

1:54pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Randoor says...

“how to break up a dog fight” in an impossible position. On the one hand we cannot recommend taking action that would put someone at risk. On the other hand, anyone who has witnessed their dog being attacked, or attacking another dog, will know that the overwhelming instinctive response, is to dive in head first and try to stop the fight.
Perhaps the most responsible approach is to point out the extremely serious risks involved in physical intervention, and offer for consideration, options that are likely to be more effective and less risky than diving in head first.
Lifting from behind and pulling apart: is the physical intervention advocated by many sources. There is not complete consistency about how this should be done.
The consistent factors are that all sources recommend that two people are involved and that they each grab the dogs from behind and lift them at the same time. Once the dogs have been lifted the two people should pull the dogs apart and as soon as the dogs release, the humans should spin the dogs around 180 degrees, still holding them by the back legs. This keeps the dogs’ mouths away from the humans to stop the dogs from instinctively lashing out. As soon as the dogs are facing away from each other they should be taken away from each other and prevented from resuming the fight.
Finger up the bum: is a safer technique of last resort, which one source reported as being instantly effective The journal describes an eye witness account of a small, elderly dog trainer separating two fighting dogs by getting other people to restrain them then lifting the tail of the dog that had locked on and inserting her thumb up his rectum. It worked immediately. Although this procedure appears to be effective it could also result in a bite if the person carrying it out des not move away
“how to break up a dog fight” in an impossible position. On the one hand we cannot recommend taking action that would put someone at risk. On the other hand, anyone who has witnessed their dog being attacked, or attacking another dog, will know that the overwhelming instinctive response, is to dive in head first and try to stop the fight. Perhaps the most responsible approach is to point out the extremely serious risks involved in physical intervention, and offer for consideration, options that are likely to be more effective and less risky than diving in head first. Lifting from behind and pulling apart: is the physical intervention advocated by many sources. There is not complete consistency about how this should be done. The consistent factors are that all sources recommend that two people are involved and that they each grab the dogs from behind and lift them at the same time. Once the dogs have been lifted the two people should pull the dogs apart and as soon as the dogs release, the humans should spin the dogs around 180 degrees, still holding them by the back legs. This keeps the dogs’ mouths away from the humans to stop the dogs from instinctively lashing out. As soon as the dogs are facing away from each other they should be taken away from each other and prevented from resuming the fight. Finger up the bum: is a safer technique of last resort, which one source reported as being instantly effective The journal describes an eye witness account of a small, elderly dog trainer separating two fighting dogs by getting other people to restrain them then lifting the tail of the dog that had locked on and inserting her thumb up his rectum. It worked immediately. Although this procedure appears to be effective it could also result in a bite if the person carrying it out des not move away Randoor
  • Score: 6

2:05pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Tracedaace says...

I also have a staff and he is the most beautiful dog in the world they are not at all a bad breed, it is the owners like one comment said jack Russell are the worst coming up to my dog and trying to bite him but no one says anything about that breed I get very angry
I also have a staff and he is the most beautiful dog in the world they are not at all a bad breed, it is the owners like one comment said jack Russell are the worst coming up to my dog and trying to bite him but no one says anything about that breed I get very angry Tracedaace
  • Score: 12

2:07pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Sandyws says...

bigfella777 wrote:
I have a staffy, I know someone with a staffy, my staffys lovely, he is so cuddly and then one day it snaps and people get hurt. Its a chavs dog, they are ugly,they look stupid and so do you when you're with it. Grow up.
Your comments are ridiculous & unneccesary. Staffys make beautiful family pets in the right hands.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: I have a staffy, I know someone with a staffy, my staffys lovely, he is so cuddly and then one day it snaps and people get hurt. Its a chavs dog, they are ugly,they look stupid and so do you when you're with it. Grow up.[/p][/quote]Your comments are ridiculous & unneccesary. Staffys make beautiful family pets in the right hands. Sandyws
  • Score: 21

2:14pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Rhombus says...

Whats the real answer here? A blanket licence for any would be dog owner? If you cant blame the animal then owners need vetting somehow. This cant keep happening with this breed of dog or you will find them going the same way as the pit. If they are to blame or not. Manditory training should be required.
Whats the real answer here? A blanket licence for any would be dog owner? If you cant blame the animal then owners need vetting somehow. This cant keep happening with this breed of dog or you will find them going the same way as the pit. If they are to blame or not. Manditory training should be required. Rhombus
  • Score: 12

2:25pm Fri 11 Apr 14

ShakeyWiffles says...

Can't believe some of the idiocy in these comments. There is NOTHING wrong with Staffy's. It's all down to the owners! They act how they're treated and if you think otherwise then you clearly have no understanding of the breed. I know of at least 3, all different owners and all lovely! If you treat a dog like sh1t, no matter the breed, it will treat you like sh1t back. Train the owners, don't let people breed them and sell on without knowing the new owner or his/her responsibility. As for Tracedaace. I used to have a Jack Russell and not all are like you've experienced. As for nobody saying anything about that breed you're wrong. It's just died down for a while. Mark my words though, this Staffy "hate" will stop in a year or so then we'll have another breed to blame for all injuries and conveniently forget about this. Time for dog licenses to be brought back
Can't believe some of the idiocy in these comments. There is NOTHING wrong with Staffy's. It's all down to the owners! They act how they're treated and if you think otherwise then you clearly have no understanding of the breed. I know of at least 3, all different owners and all lovely! If you treat a dog like sh1t, no matter the breed, it will treat you like sh1t back. Train the owners, don't let people breed them and sell on without knowing the new owner or his/her responsibility. As for Tracedaace. I used to have a Jack Russell and not all are like you've experienced. As for nobody saying anything about that breed you're wrong. It's just died down for a while. Mark my words though, this Staffy "hate" will stop in a year or so then we'll have another breed to blame for all injuries and conveniently forget about this. Time for dog licenses to be brought back ShakeyWiffles
  • Score: 11

2:27pm Fri 11 Apr 14

camerajuan says...

Jordan20 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
Absolutely no qualms about "Gavin Hastings"-ing a savage dog in the knackers when it's attacking a dog, myself or anyone I happen to be near at the time.

Best way to make them release their hold if its a male. If a female, choke them using a stick. Owner can have no logical comeback although they surely will.
THATS NOT THE BEST WAY THE WAY TOO MAKE THEM RELEASE IS PRESSING UNDER THERE TOUNGE NO CHOCKING NEEDED
WHAT?!?! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

I'd rather not put my fingers anywhere near their "tounge" when they're trying to bite down hard thank you! Rather keep my hands safe and around their throat, "chocking" them.

Jesus, that was a difficult one!
[quote][p][bold]Jordan20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: Absolutely no qualms about "Gavin Hastings"-ing a savage dog in the knackers when it's attacking a dog, myself or anyone I happen to be near at the time. Best way to make them release their hold if its a male. If a female, choke them using a stick. Owner can have no logical comeback although they surely will.[/p][/quote]THATS NOT THE BEST WAY THE WAY TOO MAKE THEM RELEASE IS PRESSING UNDER THERE TOUNGE NO CHOCKING NEEDED[/p][/quote]WHAT?!?! I CAN'T HEAR YOU! I'd rather not put my fingers anywhere near their "tounge" when they're trying to bite down hard thank you! Rather keep my hands safe and around their throat, "chocking" them. Jesus, that was a difficult one! camerajuan
  • Score: 13

2:29pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Brite Spark says...

There's one breed of dog that is ALWAYS coming back to haunt us in the headlines and that's Staffies. An eradication programme should be instigated by the Government, round them up and put them out of our misery.
There's one breed of dog that is ALWAYS coming back to haunt us in the headlines and that's Staffies. An eradication programme should be instigated by the Government, round them up and put them out of our misery. Brite Spark
  • Score: -16

2:38pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Suntanned Snowman says...

The fact remains that Staffies are very strong dogs, so the results of an attack are more severe. After all, they were bred for bull baiting. There is a reason that the Staffy is the dog of choice for drug dealers.
The fact remains that Staffies are very strong dogs, so the results of an attack are more severe. After all, they were bred for bull baiting. There is a reason that the Staffy is the dog of choice for drug dealers. Suntanned Snowman
  • Score: 9

2:47pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Lockssmart says...

Inform Al wrote:
I have a friend with a staffy, the dog is a well kept friendly animal, but there again it is properly looked after. I tend to refer to staffies as Dork dogs because there is usually a dork nearby.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz sleeping bag please
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: I have a friend with a staffy, the dog is a well kept friendly animal, but there again it is properly looked after. I tend to refer to staffies as Dork dogs because there is usually a dork nearby.[/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz sleeping bag please Lockssmart
  • Score: -4

2:58pm Fri 11 Apr 14

wwozzer says...

The poor woman, her injuries look horrific.

There are good and bad dogs of every breed and a lot of it has to do with how they've been treated but I doubt if that is any comfort to this woman or anyone else who's been attacked by a dog.

Isn't it about time we have a law that ensures all dogs are muzzled when out in public?
The poor woman, her injuries look horrific. There are good and bad dogs of every breed and a lot of it has to do with how they've been treated but I doubt if that is any comfort to this woman or anyone else who's been attacked by a dog. Isn't it about time we have a law that ensures all dogs are muzzled when out in public? wwozzer
  • Score: 7

2:59pm Fri 11 Apr 14

SAINTPAUL007 says...

Why menetion 16 year old pregnant daughter???


Get the bloody dogs off the streets along with the owners
Why menetion 16 year old pregnant daughter??? Get the bloody dogs off the streets along with the owners SAINTPAUL007
  • Score: 7

3:03pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Truth Not Fantasy says...

To all the knee jerk, over zealous posters on this site- You do realise that if Staffies are banned /culled or fall victim to whatever other ridiculous sanctions that have been suggested on this comments page, the ill educated and irresponsible dog owners will simply turn to another breed and the same thing will happen again? In the 80's and 90's there was seldom mention of Staffordshire Bull Terriers as aggressive dogs, the focus was purely on Rottweilers and German Shepherds.

The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is the same as any othe dog, and it's long history and Kennel Club accreditation for being good with children precede it. I have a Staffie and I certainly do not fit into the negative categories being discussed on here. In fact, I am employed, have a Bachelors degree and am currently studying a Masters degree. My dog was well raised and socialised and has boundaries that he understands.

Further to that, bringing back the dog licence or mandatory registration will fail, as the irresponsible owners will simply ignore this and it is, in essence, unenforcable. The most appropriate response is a better awareness and application of education regarding dog ownership in general, perhaps in schools or in community sessions held by PCSO's in conjunction with local vets/ animal welfare charities, as well as stiff and rigorously enforced penalties for the PERSON responsible for the dog.
To all the knee jerk, over zealous posters on this site- You do realise that if Staffies are banned /culled or fall victim to whatever other ridiculous sanctions that have been suggested on this comments page, the ill educated and irresponsible dog owners will simply turn to another breed and the same thing will happen again? In the 80's and 90's there was seldom mention of Staffordshire Bull Terriers as aggressive dogs, the focus was purely on Rottweilers and German Shepherds. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is the same as any othe dog, and it's long history and Kennel Club accreditation for being good with children precede it. I have a Staffie and I certainly do not fit into the negative categories being discussed on here. In fact, I am employed, have a Bachelors degree and am currently studying a Masters degree. My dog was well raised and socialised and has boundaries that he understands. Further to that, bringing back the dog licence or mandatory registration will fail, as the irresponsible owners will simply ignore this and it is, in essence, unenforcable. The most appropriate response is a better awareness and application of education regarding dog ownership in general, perhaps in schools or in community sessions held by PCSO's in conjunction with local vets/ animal welfare charities, as well as stiff and rigorously enforced penalties for the PERSON responsible for the dog. Truth Not Fantasy
  • Score: 21

3:15pm Fri 11 Apr 14

wingalingadingdong says...

Blame the deed and the owner not the breed, My Staffy got attacked by a jack russell and I had 2 stitches breaking up the fight caused by a un leashed jack russel - How come that didnt make frontpage news?????!

BLAME THE DEED NOT THE BREED!
Blame the deed and the owner not the breed, My Staffy got attacked by a jack russell and I had 2 stitches breaking up the fight caused by a un leashed jack russel - How come that didnt make frontpage news?????! BLAME THE DEED NOT THE BREED! wingalingadingdong
  • Score: 16

3:37pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Rhombus says...

You lot can you just stop repeating yourselves and understand that a vetting process is the only way forward. You want the problem to begin to go away then training for dogs and licences must be put in place.
You lot can you just stop repeating yourselves and understand that a vetting process is the only way forward. You want the problem to begin to go away then training for dogs and licences must be put in place. Rhombus
  • Score: 7

4:20pm Fri 11 Apr 14

sotonboy84 says...

Truth Not Fantasy wrote:
To all the knee jerk, over zealous posters on this site- You do realise that if Staffies are banned /culled or fall victim to whatever other ridiculous sanctions that have been suggested on this comments page, the ill educated and irresponsible dog owners will simply turn to another breed and the same thing will happen again? In the 80's and 90's there was seldom mention of Staffordshire Bull Terriers as aggressive dogs, the focus was purely on Rottweilers and German Shepherds.

The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is the same as any othe dog, and it's long history and Kennel Club accreditation for being good with children precede it. I have a Staffie and I certainly do not fit into the negative categories being discussed on here. In fact, I am employed, have a Bachelors degree and am currently studying a Masters degree. My dog was well raised and socialised and has boundaries that he understands.

Further to that, bringing back the dog licence or mandatory registration will fail, as the irresponsible owners will simply ignore this and it is, in essence, unenforcable. The most appropriate response is a better awareness and application of education regarding dog ownership in general, perhaps in schools or in community sessions held by PCSO's in conjunction with local vets/ animal welfare charities, as well as stiff and rigorously enforced penalties for the PERSON responsible for the dog.
Hmmm, I personally think that mandatory licenses would work better than the current system if they were properly enforced and failure to have a license was punishable. If as you say irresponsible dog owners were to ignore a requirement to have a dog and flout the law, they're certainly not going to be interested in education. I think the answer is a combination of both, licenses AND education as they would complement each other.
[quote][p][bold]Truth Not Fantasy[/bold] wrote: To all the knee jerk, over zealous posters on this site- You do realise that if Staffies are banned /culled or fall victim to whatever other ridiculous sanctions that have been suggested on this comments page, the ill educated and irresponsible dog owners will simply turn to another breed and the same thing will happen again? In the 80's and 90's there was seldom mention of Staffordshire Bull Terriers as aggressive dogs, the focus was purely on Rottweilers and German Shepherds. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is the same as any othe dog, and it's long history and Kennel Club accreditation for being good with children precede it. I have a Staffie and I certainly do not fit into the negative categories being discussed on here. In fact, I am employed, have a Bachelors degree and am currently studying a Masters degree. My dog was well raised and socialised and has boundaries that he understands. Further to that, bringing back the dog licence or mandatory registration will fail, as the irresponsible owners will simply ignore this and it is, in essence, unenforcable. The most appropriate response is a better awareness and application of education regarding dog ownership in general, perhaps in schools or in community sessions held by PCSO's in conjunction with local vets/ animal welfare charities, as well as stiff and rigorously enforced penalties for the PERSON responsible for the dog.[/p][/quote]Hmmm, I personally think that mandatory licenses would work better than the current system if they were properly enforced and failure to have a license was punishable. If as you say irresponsible dog owners were to ignore a requirement to have a dog and flout the law, they're certainly not going to be interested in education. I think the answer is a combination of both, licenses AND education as they would complement each other. sotonboy84
  • Score: 7

4:26pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Steph7 says...

jofabulous wrote:
My best friend has a staffie and she is the softest, most playful loving dog you could wish to meet. But my friend would never dream of having her running about off the leash in a public place! Once again, it is the owners, not the breed who need culling.
I totally agree, it's the owners who need putting down, not the dogs! They have a lovely temperament if they are trained properly from day one.
[quote][p][bold]jofabulous[/bold] wrote: My best friend has a staffie and she is the softest, most playful loving dog you could wish to meet. But my friend would never dream of having her running about off the leash in a public place! Once again, it is the owners, not the breed who need culling.[/p][/quote]I totally agree, it's the owners who need putting down, not the dogs! They have a lovely temperament if they are trained properly from day one. Steph7
  • Score: 10

4:34pm Fri 11 Apr 14

wwozzer says...

Licenses and education will only affect responsible owners who already need neither. The type of feral moron who let's a dangerous animal roam in public off a lead won't be interested or in the slightest bit worried of the consequences of not conforming.

In some circumstances you're dealing with a section of society who fear nothing, have an excuse for everything and don't give a toss about rules, regulations or law.
Licenses and education will only affect responsible owners who already need neither. The type of feral moron who let's a dangerous animal roam in public off a lead won't be interested or in the slightest bit worried of the consequences of not conforming. In some circumstances you're dealing with a section of society who fear nothing, have an excuse for everything and don't give a toss about rules, regulations or law. wwozzer
  • Score: 9

4:36pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Truth Not Fantasy says...

Yes wwozzer I am in. Total agreement with your comment about certain sections of society. This extends way beyond the dog debate as well.
Yes wwozzer I am in. Total agreement with your comment about certain sections of society. This extends way beyond the dog debate as well. Truth Not Fantasy
  • Score: 6

4:37pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

looks a bit like stage blood to me ,can;t be sure though.
looks a bit like stage blood to me ,can;t be sure though. Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: -9

5:19pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Millie0505 says...

I have to say that my dog, who is a 6 month old staffy male, just to clarify so that you can all rip into me, call me a chav and then call for a public execution, is an absolute darling, BUT when he goes out he always wears what is called a long line, 50ft of nylon leashe , he can charge around all he likes and I can reel him in if I see smaller dogs or children close by, NOT BECAUSE HE WILL SAVAGE THEM, I am just being considerate. I will also take him to say hello to smaller breeds and let children and other adults pet him, this is called SOCIALISATION, it is one of the most important parts of owning any dog, I agree with all opinions posted here however, there is a total lack of knowledge and respect for this breed and although if not trained and socialised can be bolshy and unpredictable, they are loyal, loving and very treasured companions to a lot of people and families, my children adore him as he does them, I never leave either of my dogs unattended with my younger daughters and they have seperate living areas and sleeping areas, (the dogs I mean, I don't segregate my children from one another!) my other dog is a very old border collie who is the love of his life! Please try to understand that although there is a definite underlying problem with reckless and downright stupid people that take these dogs on, there are also many more of us that do take time to care for and train our staffies, there are many arguments to be had here but at the end of the day any dog be it a tiny jack Russell or a giant mountain dog has the ability to kill or maim a person or an animal,....... Now you can all go on the attack! Don't worry I have thick skin, so does my boy, I won't let him read the comments page this evening while he has his cocoa xx
I have to say that my dog, who is a 6 month old staffy male, just to clarify so that you can all rip into me, call me a chav and then call for a public execution, is an absolute darling, BUT when he goes out he always wears what is called a long line, 50ft of nylon leashe , he can charge around all he likes and I can reel him in if I see smaller dogs or children close by, NOT BECAUSE HE WILL SAVAGE THEM, I am just being considerate. I will also take him to say hello to smaller breeds and let children and other adults pet him, this is called SOCIALISATION, it is one of the most important parts of owning any dog, I agree with all opinions posted here however, there is a total lack of knowledge and respect for this breed and although if not trained and socialised can be bolshy and unpredictable, they are loyal, loving and very treasured companions to a lot of people and families, my children adore him as he does them, I never leave either of my dogs unattended with my younger daughters and they have seperate living areas and sleeping areas, (the dogs I mean, I don't segregate my children from one another!) my other dog is a very old border collie who is the love of his life! Please try to understand that although there is a definite underlying problem with reckless and downright stupid people that take these dogs on, there are also many more of us that do take time to care for and train our staffies, there are many arguments to be had here but at the end of the day any dog be it a tiny jack Russell or a giant mountain dog has the ability to kill or maim a person or an animal,....... Now you can all go on the attack! Don't worry I have thick skin, so does my boy, I won't let him read the comments page this evening while he has his cocoa xx Millie0505
  • Score: 25

5:39pm Fri 11 Apr 14

george h says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Staffy again, how many more times before this evil breed is banned?
Not banned bigfella, but euthanized.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Staffy again, how many more times before this evil breed is banned?[/p][/quote]Not banned bigfella, but euthanized. george h
  • Score: -18

5:41pm Fri 11 Apr 14

george h says...

sallyrdn wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Staffy again, how many more times before this evil breed is banned?
This breed is not evil, when properly trained and socialised they are lovely, gentle dogs. They were called Nanny dogs in the olden days as they were so good with children.
As usual it's the owners to blame and the dogs get put down. Don't tar all Staffies with the same brush.
Then we should put down the owners sally.
[quote][p][bold]sallyrdn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Staffy again, how many more times before this evil breed is banned?[/p][/quote]This breed is not evil, when properly trained and socialised they are lovely, gentle dogs. They were called Nanny dogs in the olden days as they were so good with children. As usual it's the owners to blame and the dogs get put down. Don't tar all Staffies with the same brush.[/p][/quote]Then we should put down the owners sally. george h
  • Score: 11

5:44pm Fri 11 Apr 14

IronLady2010 says...

Do we know what happened to the other dog from last week. The woman was in Court Monday I believe, but the echo didn't follow up.
Do we know what happened to the other dog from last week. The woman was in Court Monday I believe, but the echo didn't follow up. IronLady2010
  • Score: 5

6:30pm Fri 11 Apr 14

xuandsw says...

http://www.themost10
.com/10-most-dangero
us-dog-breeds/ I own a staffie, and she's great with the kids and other dogs, imagine that, and the page I've linked doesn't mention the Staffordshire Bull Terrier in the top 10, however, if we're going to 'cull a breed' because of idiots suggesting it, why not just take out the whole top 10, that way everyone will be safe, right? Oh and that would include the dalmatian at number ten, and please remember that a Staffordshire Bull Terrier is NOT a Pitt Bull, there is a difference, and also consider the breed most likely to bite, statistically is the Labrador, so we'll get rid of them too, might as well eh? Idiots!
http://www.themost10 .com/10-most-dangero us-dog-breeds/ I own a staffie, and she's great with the kids and other dogs, imagine that, and the page I've linked doesn't mention the Staffordshire Bull Terrier in the top 10, however, if we're going to 'cull a breed' because of idiots suggesting it, why not just take out the whole top 10, that way everyone will be safe, right? Oh and that would include the dalmatian at number ten, and please remember that a Staffordshire Bull Terrier is NOT a Pitt Bull, there is a difference, and also consider the breed most likely to bite, statistically is the Labrador, so we'll get rid of them too, might as well eh? Idiots! xuandsw
  • Score: 6

6:41pm Fri 11 Apr 14

robj1969 says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Poor women and poor dog, I really feel for them. I'm a dog owner but a responsible one. I completely trust my dogs and believe they wouldn't hurt anybody BUT I'm fully aware that they're animals and could easily be spooked. They're kept on leads wherever they're walked for their own safety and safety of others. Even if a dog wouldn't attack anybody, walking it down a road with no lead is highly irresponsible. What if it got spooked and ran into the road and caused a crash?

There's a correlation between a lot of owners of these Staffy type dogs and attacks because they seem to be owened by a lot of idiots! The amount of them I've seen walking around with no leads and an owner half naked and a can of beer in one hand… As the above comment says, for a lot of people they're status dogs and owned by people that can't look after themselves, let alone an animal.

The amount of times I've had to pick my dogs up because these types of dogs run over to mine off lead and start growling or barking. You don't even get an apology from the owner, just a whistle to call their dog back. Rules around owing dogs need to be much stricter. People should by law me made to have a licence and any un-licenced dogs taken away and the owner given a hefty fine.
Sotonboy I agree with most of the stuff you say but picking a dog up causes problems in itself...I know when someone picks up a dog it sets off one of my dogs because it puts your dog in a position of looking down and being dominant especially if it growls or barks and also it is a situation that "in the wild" wouldn't happen. (Caesar Milan has done a bit on it)

My other dog had a staffie lock on for 10 minutes leaving holes through his tail. The owner hit it with a lump of wood and wouldn't let go.

One tip for everyone walking a dog. Have a bottle of water with you and if a staffie grabs hold of your dog squirt the water in it's face and down throat ....it either lets go of your dog or chokes/drowns in the water....it works a treat.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: Poor women and poor dog, I really feel for them. I'm a dog owner but a responsible one. I completely trust my dogs and believe they wouldn't hurt anybody BUT I'm fully aware that they're animals and could easily be spooked. They're kept on leads wherever they're walked for their own safety and safety of others. Even if a dog wouldn't attack anybody, walking it down a road with no lead is highly irresponsible. What if it got spooked and ran into the road and caused a crash? There's a correlation between a lot of owners of these Staffy type dogs and attacks because they seem to be owened by a lot of idiots! The amount of them I've seen walking around with no leads and an owner half naked and a can of beer in one hand… As the above comment says, for a lot of people they're status dogs and owned by people that can't look after themselves, let alone an animal. The amount of times I've had to pick my dogs up because these types of dogs run over to mine off lead and start growling or barking. You don't even get an apology from the owner, just a whistle to call their dog back. Rules around owing dogs need to be much stricter. People should by law me made to have a licence and any un-licenced dogs taken away and the owner given a hefty fine.[/p][/quote]Sotonboy I agree with most of the stuff you say but picking a dog up causes problems in itself...I know when someone picks up a dog it sets off one of my dogs because it puts your dog in a position of looking down and being dominant especially if it growls or barks and also it is a situation that "in the wild" wouldn't happen. (Caesar Milan has done a bit on it) My other dog had a staffie lock on for 10 minutes leaving holes through his tail. The owner hit it with a lump of wood and wouldn't let go. One tip for everyone walking a dog. Have a bottle of water with you and if a staffie grabs hold of your dog squirt the water in it's face and down throat ....it either lets go of your dog or chokes/drowns in the water....it works a treat. robj1969
  • Score: 3

6:57pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Sir Ad E Noid says...

Sandyws wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
I have a staffy, I know someone with a staffy, my staffys lovely, he is so cuddly and then one day it snaps and people get hurt. Its a chavs dog, they are ugly,they look stupid and so do you when you're with it. Grow up.
Your comments are ridiculous & unneccesary. Staffys make beautiful family pets in the right hands.
So do Rottweilers and Doberman Pincers. So did my brothers Alsatian, till she tried to eat the postman and a delivery driver. Staffies are fine, as are most other dogs. But when they do get the hump, and they easily do, they are a powerful dog and can inflict some nasty injuries. By all means defend the breed, they can be very placid, but never forget they were only bred for one reason. They have not forgot that either.
[quote][p][bold]Sandyws[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: I have a staffy, I know someone with a staffy, my staffys lovely, he is so cuddly and then one day it snaps and people get hurt. Its a chavs dog, they are ugly,they look stupid and so do you when you're with it. Grow up.[/p][/quote]Your comments are ridiculous & unneccesary. Staffys make beautiful family pets in the right hands.[/p][/quote]So do Rottweilers and Doberman Pincers. So did my brothers Alsatian, till she tried to eat the postman and a delivery driver. Staffies are fine, as are most other dogs. But when they do get the hump, and they easily do, they are a powerful dog and can inflict some nasty injuries. By all means defend the breed, they can be very placid, but never forget they were only bred for one reason. They have not forgot that either. Sir Ad E Noid
  • Score: -3

7:23pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Kaaaaaa123 says...

Staffordshire Bull Terriers were originally bred to look after children hence the name 'nanny dogs' I'm appalled by the view people have on the breed. It all boils down to the owner, this applies to any breed!!!! Look at Ceaser Millan, the dog he uses to rehabilitate other problem dogs is a pittbull!!!
The dog that attacks most people is a Labrador! Don't hear many people complaining about them??? People who do not understand dogs cannot comment on a breed, typical idiots who's opinions really are not educated on the matter!
Staffs are brilliant dogs and the only reason you hear so much is because they are bred ,sold and purchased by idiots!
Staffordshire Bull Terriers were originally bred to look after children hence the name 'nanny dogs' I'm appalled by the view people have on the breed. It all boils down to the owner, this applies to any breed!!!! Look at Ceaser Millan, the dog he uses to rehabilitate other problem dogs is a pittbull!!! The dog that attacks most people is a Labrador! Don't hear many people complaining about them??? People who do not understand dogs cannot comment on a breed, typical idiots who's opinions really are not educated on the matter! Staffs are brilliant dogs and the only reason you hear so much is because they are bred ,sold and purchased by idiots! Kaaaaaa123
  • Score: 7

8:02pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Suntanned Snowman says...

Kaaaaaa123 wrote:
Staffordshire Bull Terriers were originally bred to look after children hence the name 'nanny dogs' I'm appalled by the view people have on the breed. It all boils down to the owner, this applies to any breed!!!! Look at Ceaser Millan, the dog he uses to rehabilitate other problem dogs is a pittbull!!!
The dog that attacks most people is a Labrador! Don't hear many people complaining about them??? People who do not understand dogs cannot comment on a breed, typical idiots who's opinions really are not educated on the matter!
Staffs are brilliant dogs and the only reason you hear so much is because they are bred ,sold and purchased by idiots!
Absolute rubbish. The clue is in the name. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier was bred for bull baiting. the term "Nanny dog" was applied to various dogs, including Bull Terriers, which were used to guard children.

Any dog can be badly trained and vicious, but the level of danger is proportional to the strength of the dog. Therefore an untrained Staffy is far more of a threat than, say, a Poodle. When was the last time you heard of a child being savaged to death by a Poodle?
[quote][p][bold]Kaaaaaa123[/bold] wrote: Staffordshire Bull Terriers were originally bred to look after children hence the name 'nanny dogs' I'm appalled by the view people have on the breed. It all boils down to the owner, this applies to any breed!!!! Look at Ceaser Millan, the dog he uses to rehabilitate other problem dogs is a pittbull!!! The dog that attacks most people is a Labrador! Don't hear many people complaining about them??? People who do not understand dogs cannot comment on a breed, typical idiots who's opinions really are not educated on the matter! Staffs are brilliant dogs and the only reason you hear so much is because they are bred ,sold and purchased by idiots![/p][/quote]Absolute rubbish. The clue is in the name. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier was bred for bull baiting. the term "Nanny dog" was applied to various dogs, including Bull Terriers, which were used to guard children. Any dog can be badly trained and vicious, but the level of danger is proportional to the strength of the dog. Therefore an untrained Staffy is far more of a threat than, say, a Poodle. When was the last time you heard of a child being savaged to death by a Poodle? Suntanned Snowman
  • Score: 6

9:35pm Fri 11 Apr 14

sensible-pete says...

I think you should add Staffordshire Bull terriers to the dangerous dog's list and put down the people who use such dogs as "macho" status symbols.
I think you should add Staffordshire Bull terriers to the dangerous dog's list and put down the people who use such dogs as "macho" status symbols. sensible-pete
  • Score: 1

10:00pm Fri 11 Apr 14

100%HANTSBOY says...

It's about time all these devil dogs were rounded up and exterminated closely followed by their sub-human chavvy owners..there is no place in society for either of these horror elements...I dread to think what this city/country will be like in twenty years time..sometimes it's like a scene out of a futuristic horror movie
It's about time all these devil dogs were rounded up and exterminated closely followed by their sub-human chavvy owners..there is no place in society for either of these horror elements...I dread to think what this city/country will be like in twenty years time..sometimes it's like a scene out of a futuristic horror movie 100%HANTSBOY
  • Score: -3

10:01pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Truth Not Fantasy says...

Because the dangerous dogs list has been really successful hasn't it......
Because the dangerous dogs list has been really successful hasn't it...... Truth Not Fantasy
  • Score: 1

10:11pm Fri 11 Apr 14

funkadelic says...

It doesn't matter what breed the dog is, the thing is these people shouldn't own any dog! Poor old staffie's don't ask to be homed with people who are unable to have control over their dogs, and don't invest anytime in training.
It doesn't matter what breed the dog is, the thing is these people shouldn't own any dog! Poor old staffie's don't ask to be homed with people who are unable to have control over their dogs, and don't invest anytime in training. funkadelic
  • Score: 9

11:21pm Fri 11 Apr 14

gemsybobsy says...

Very worrying. I'm a dog carer and in my 7 years in this job I have looked after 200+ dogs. I've had 3 serious 'fights' to break up - first and second times were a staffy (the same dog twice, should never have had him back after the first time), and the other one was a staff x lab. Very rarely do dogs fight to the death - the typical everyday 'fight' you see between dogs (growling, snarling, rolling around, pinning each other) is scary to humans (especially when we get in the way of those clashing jaws) but is usually merely a heated argument in dog language - sometimes there will be wounds and bruises, but when you consider the real damage canine teeth can do, the bites are inhibited. It's a row that quickly resolves itself, or is easily stopped by humans with a loud enough noise. But no, these 3 serious fights I experienced were fights where I thought somebody was going to die, or lose a limb... Intervention involved hosepipes up the nose, up the butt, chairs being thrown, doors being shut on heads... wounds involved torn collie ears, 8 deep puncture wounds to the leg of a bichon frise (very tiny dog, he was very lucky to be alive) and a ragged gash to the ear and neck (plus the last dog ran away for 3 hours... Absolutely awful ordeals that I will never forget. And each time, once I'd got the staff to let go, he has smiled and wagged his tail to say, 'I'm just doing what I was programmed to do? C'mon, wasn't I a good boy?'

Staffs are loving, soppy dogs; they are, after all, dogs! - they therefore have a dog's attitude to life - "I LOVE PEOPLE and I LOVE DOGS and I LOVE WALKS AND FUN THINGS and I'd rather do ANYTHING than use these weapons in my mouth if I can help it." The problem with staffs (and some other breeds) is that we humans have built in them a reactionary device, on a genetic level, that triggers a nasty bite to other dogs, that is very forceful, and won't quit. I am always wary when I meet a staffy - never scared for my own wellbeing because we never bred them to attack people; we bred them to fight other dogs - but I'm concerned for my dogs. I don't know who owns that staffy, and I don't know if something in the communication between that staffy and one of my dogs is going to accidentally trigger that bite.

Staffs are also powerhouses, they vibrate with energy, and do everything with 100% enthusiasm. If you are a fan of the breed and want one to join your family, it is YOUR responsibility to make sure that bite is never even NEAR to being triggered, and the only way to do that is to socialise him (i.e. let him mix with LOTS of other dogs in LOTS of situations), use POSITIVE reward training (never negative/provoking/'
dominating') and I mean from day 1, from 8 weeks of age. That's going to be difficult if it's a rescue, so with a rescue you need to work even harder, start from square one and work really bloody hard, using a lead in public until you're sure you are completely in tune with what your dog's thinking at all times.

Of course, there is a class of brainless idiot who often chooses a staffy and can not be bothered with any of this, which is why you rarely get staffs at puppy socialisation classes or training schools, you don't often see them playing with groups of other dogs in parks, which is why staffs always end up in the rescue centres and/or being destroyed because they've injured or killed another dog. What's more, the brainless idiots use negative training methods like choke chain collars, provoking cues ( 'get him mush, get him'), and believe in 'dominating'. All because the brainless idiot wants a 'hard' dog. Then the brainless idiot is everything but 'hard' and he runs away when his dog does his job, and attacks another dog with that bite he's been programmed (and then encouraged!!) to use (although I am reluctant to speculate on the specifics in this particular case, it doesn't seem like it was 'that bite' in this situation - the bite wounds, though not denying they look awfully painful, seem to be from inhibited bites.)

Anyway, that went on a bit, sorry. Poor Michelle; I hope she feels better soon, and I hope her poor pom recovers well and hasn't taken it personally - a dog who has decided that all other dogs can be a threat can have a difficult life. :(
Very worrying. I'm a dog carer and in my 7 years in this job I have looked after 200+ dogs. I've had 3 serious 'fights' to break up - first and second times were a staffy (the same dog twice, should never have had him back after the first time), and the other one was a staff x lab. Very rarely do dogs fight to the death - the typical everyday 'fight' you see between dogs (growling, snarling, rolling around, pinning each other) is scary to humans (especially when we get in the way of those clashing jaws) but is usually merely a heated argument in dog language - sometimes there will be wounds and bruises, but when you consider the real damage canine teeth can do, the bites are inhibited. It's a row that quickly resolves itself, or is easily stopped by humans with a loud enough noise. But no, these 3 serious fights I experienced were fights where I thought somebody was going to die, or lose a limb... Intervention involved hosepipes up the nose, up the butt, chairs being thrown, doors being shut on heads... wounds involved torn collie ears, 8 deep puncture wounds to the leg of a bichon frise (very tiny dog, he was very lucky to be alive) and a ragged gash to the ear and neck (plus the last dog ran away for 3 hours... Absolutely awful ordeals that I will never forget. And each time, once I'd got the staff to let go, he has smiled and wagged his tail to say, 'I'm just doing what I was programmed to do? C'mon, wasn't I a good boy?' Staffs are loving, soppy dogs; they are, after all, dogs! - they therefore have a dog's attitude to life - "I LOVE PEOPLE and I LOVE DOGS and I LOVE WALKS AND FUN THINGS and I'd rather do ANYTHING than use these weapons in my mouth if I can help it." The problem with staffs (and some other breeds) is that we humans have built in them a reactionary device, on a genetic level, that triggers a nasty bite to other dogs, that is very forceful, and won't quit. I am always wary when I meet a staffy - never scared for my own wellbeing because we never bred them to attack people; we bred them to fight other dogs - but I'm concerned for my dogs. I don't know who owns that staffy, and I don't know if something in the communication between that staffy and one of my dogs is going to accidentally trigger that bite. Staffs are also powerhouses, they vibrate with energy, and do everything with 100% enthusiasm. If you are a fan of the breed and want one to join your family, it is YOUR responsibility to make sure that bite is never even NEAR to being triggered, and the only way to do that is to socialise him (i.e. let him mix with LOTS of other dogs in LOTS of situations), use POSITIVE reward training (never negative/provoking/' dominating') and I mean from day 1, from 8 weeks of age. That's going to be difficult if it's a rescue, so with a rescue you need to work even harder, start from square one and work really bloody hard, using a lead in public until you're sure you are completely in tune with what your dog's thinking at all times. Of course, there is a class of brainless idiot who often chooses a staffy and can not be bothered with any of this, which is why you rarely get staffs at puppy socialisation classes or training schools, you don't often see them playing with groups of other dogs in parks, which is why staffs always end up in the rescue centres and/or being destroyed because they've injured or killed another dog. What's more, the brainless idiots use negative training methods like choke chain collars, provoking cues ( 'get him mush, get him'), and believe in 'dominating'. All because the brainless idiot wants a 'hard' dog. Then the brainless idiot is everything but 'hard' and he runs away when his dog does his job, and attacks another dog with that bite he's been programmed (and then encouraged!!) to use (although I am reluctant to speculate on the specifics in this particular case, it doesn't seem like it was 'that bite' in this situation - the bite wounds, though not denying they look awfully painful, seem to be from inhibited [not killer] bites.) Anyway, that went on a bit, sorry. Poor Michelle; I hope she feels better soon, and I hope her poor pom recovers well and hasn't taken it personally - a dog who has decided that all other dogs can be a threat can have a difficult life. :( gemsybobsy
  • Score: 17

12:48am Sat 12 Apr 14

Rick777 says...

elvisimo wrote:
Brite Spark wrote:
Poor lady.

I agree with bigfella - the cons outway the pros of having Staffordshire Bull Terriers in our society, they (and unfortunately some of their owners), should be culled.no problem with the breed - it is unfortunately they type of person that gets these dogs - generally scum bags.

Years ago one had a pop at my dog on Southampton common. the owner was outraged (i.e came out with their full vocabulary of slurred swear words) when I drop kicked their do into a bush. no surprise to hear they were about 20 stone and fully "chavedThis **** disgusts me and unfortunately I encounter so many situations that could easily end up the same way on a daily basis! I have a Pitbull/Sharpei cross and she is sweet and soft and most importantly obeys me! I avoid other walkers and dogs where I can and if I see some I can't avoid in my planned route and there is no alternative diversion to take then I put my dog back on her lead!
The problem isn't the dogs it's the owners, the amount of times I have found myself with someone else's dog running circles around me and my dog and the owner is 200 yards away without a care in the world making no attempt to call their dog back, or I have clearly called my dog back and leashed her while approaching other dog walkers and they make no attempt to do the same, then my dog is stressed because I've restrained her while some random dog is running around her and sniffing ect while I'm trying to lead her away a safe distance and this dick heads dog is still following us down the path so every time I get her to walk a few paces the other dog runs up behind her so obviously she then spins round defensively so I then end up shouting at my dog and continuing to pull her away and It's not her fault! Do they not see that if I am putting mine on her lead that there's a reason! It **** me off no end, my dog is never far enough away from me to be out of my control! People say things like "He just wants to say hello!" or "He just want's to play" ect, what they don't consider is that my dog might not want to play or say hello, it may even think I am in danger by a strange dog bounding towards us and become defensive!

In my honest opinion anyone who cannot 100% control their dog should not be allowed to have it off it's leash! Maybe a short test to obtain a free roaming license to prove that your dog will adhere to your commands when faced with certain situations. For example seeing other dogs, or bikers, skaters, Cats and birds ect! I can safely say that if my dog sees any of those things in her vicinity I have usually seen them 1st and made a pre-emptive move either changed route, called her back to me and put her on her lead until we are passed whatever the hazard may have been! In my opinion that's basic common sense as a dog owner! The worst part is that one day my dog may end up defending herself in such a situation and end up being put down because of some other muppet who has no control whatsoever over his/her Dog!

I have many times in the split seconds when I see some other dog running towards us considered booting the dog as it approaches but you can guarantee I'd be the one in the wrong then! Anyway in short, if you can't control your god **** dog then don't let it run free, simple! Rant over!
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: Poor lady. I agree with bigfella - the cons outway the pros of having Staffordshire Bull Terriers in our society, they (and unfortunately some of their owners), should be culled.[/p][/quote]no problem with the breed - it is unfortunately they type of person that gets these dogs - generally scum bags. Years ago one had a pop at my dog on Southampton common. the owner was outraged (i.e came out with their full vocabulary of slurred swear words) when I drop kicked their do into a bush. no surprise to hear they were about 20 stone and fully "chavedThis **** disgusts me and unfortunately I encounter so many situations that could easily end up the same way on a daily basis! I have a Pitbull/Sharpei cross and she is sweet and soft and most importantly obeys me! I avoid other walkers and dogs where I can and if I see some I can't avoid in my planned route and there is no alternative diversion to take then I put my dog back on her lead! The problem isn't the dogs it's the owners, the amount of times I have found myself with someone else's dog running circles around me and my dog and the owner is 200 yards away without a care in the world making no attempt to call their dog back, or I have clearly called my dog back and leashed her while approaching other dog walkers and they make no attempt to do the same, then my dog is stressed because I've restrained her while some random dog is running around her and sniffing ect while I'm trying to lead her away a safe distance and this dick heads dog is still following us down the path so every time I get her to walk a few paces the other dog runs up behind her so obviously she then spins round defensively so I then end up shouting at my dog and continuing to pull her away and It's not her fault! Do they not see that if I am putting mine on her lead that there's a reason! It **** me off no end, my dog is never far enough away from me to be out of my control! People say things like "He just wants to say hello!" or "He just want's to play" ect, what they don't consider is that my dog might not want to play or say hello, it may even think I am in danger by a strange dog bounding towards us and become defensive! In my honest opinion anyone who cannot 100% control their dog should not be allowed to have it off it's leash! Maybe a short test to obtain a free roaming license to prove that your dog will adhere to your commands when faced with certain situations. For example seeing other dogs, or bikers, skaters, Cats and birds ect! I can safely say that if my dog sees any of those things in her vicinity I have usually seen them 1st and made a pre-emptive move either changed route, called her back to me and put her on her lead until we are passed whatever the hazard may have been! In my opinion that's basic common sense as a dog owner! The worst part is that one day my dog may end up defending herself in such a situation and end up being put down because of some other muppet who has no control whatsoever over his/her Dog! I have many times in the split seconds when I see some other dog running towards us considered booting the dog as it approaches but you can guarantee I'd be the one in the wrong then! Anyway in short, if you can't control your god **** dog then don't let it run free, simple! Rant over! Rick777
  • Score: 1

6:50am Sat 12 Apr 14

St.Winch70 says...

Dog owners are a bit like parents...everyone thinks their child is wonderful and will criticise other parents! You only have to read some of these blinkered posts by 'responsible dog owners' for this to ring true.
It's a fact that Staffies in the main are a social menace, because the majority of them are in the wrong hands. They are very powerful dogs that should be regulated with regard to ownership. In my experience there are very few dog owners who understand the breed of dog they have, how they should be exercised and more importantly what behaviour they should encourage to ensure the animal is happy. Too many dog owners take the 'dog' element out of their animals, and try to mould a dog's character to fit an environment which it is not suited to.
Dog owners are a bit like parents...everyone thinks their child is wonderful and will criticise other parents! You only have to read some of these blinkered posts by 'responsible dog owners' for this to ring true. It's a fact that Staffies in the main are a social menace, because the majority of them are in the wrong hands. They are very powerful dogs that should be regulated with regard to ownership. In my experience there are very few dog owners who understand the breed of dog they have, how they should be exercised and more importantly what behaviour they should encourage to ensure the animal is happy. Too many dog owners take the 'dog' element out of their animals, and try to mould a dog's character to fit an environment which it is not suited to. St.Winch70
  • Score: 2

8:17am Sat 12 Apr 14

jimmy.j says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Staffy again, how many more times before this evil breed is banned?
Are you for real you are obviously a very narrow minded
Person I have a staffy an I never ever walk her on a lead
I don't need to she listens to every command I give her either to my
Voice or a click and point she is the best behaved,well mannered,
Obedient dog me or anybody who has ever met her knows of
It is the owners fault anyone can make any dog bad
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Staffy again, how many more times before this evil breed is banned?[/p][/quote]Are you for real you are obviously a very narrow minded Person I have a staffy an I never ever walk her on a lead I don't need to she listens to every command I give her either to my Voice or a click and point she is the best behaved,well mannered, Obedient dog me or anybody who has ever met her knows of It is the owners fault anyone can make any dog bad jimmy.j
  • Score: 6

8:22am Sat 12 Apr 14

gemsybobsy says...

It is a shame that people feel the need to actually say they're a responsible dog owner, and that it's not just assumed that people are responsible, because of incidents like this. I've seen people change direction, pick up their kids and even run away when they see I've got a dog at my side. Humans and dogs evolved together; dogs used to roam our streets and meet each other on their own terms, they'd communicate with each other without our interference and without leads and 'commands'... They were unattended and respected, but not feared. Dogs haven't changed since those days; there still needn't be any fear when meeting dogs. Very sad how all dogs are slowly being pushed out from open human society after thousands of years. Because of these status-dog numpties tarring all dogs and dog lovers with their brush!
It is a shame that people feel the need to actually say they're a responsible dog owner, and that it's not just assumed that people are responsible, because of incidents like this. I've seen people change direction, pick up their kids and even run away when they see I've got a dog at my side. Humans and dogs evolved together; dogs used to roam our streets and meet each other on their own terms, they'd communicate with each other without our interference and without leads and 'commands'... They were unattended and respected, but not feared. Dogs haven't changed since those days; there still needn't be any fear when meeting dogs. Very sad how all dogs are slowly being pushed out from open human society after thousands of years. Because of these status-dog numpties tarring all dogs and dog lovers with their brush! gemsybobsy
  • Score: 3

3:17pm Sat 12 Apr 14

alnero says...

There are a lot of fools commenting here on banning certain breeds of dogs.
Dogs do not come with a breed verification label attached to them, this is why the dangerous dogs act has stumbled around in the dark for the last 20, or so,
years. All dogs are mongrels, a pedigree,at most, is a stabilisation of type over so many generations.
The fact that so many ' feckless ' people grab a certain breed to mirror or replace elements missing, or deformed, in their own character is an entirely
different problem. The dog displayed is a symptom and the dog behaviour is the result.
Deal with the root of this malaise you will get answers. Changing law and banning things on a knee jerk reaction tends to amplify the problem.
There are a lot of fools commenting here on banning certain breeds of dogs. Dogs do not come with a breed verification label attached to them, this is why the dangerous dogs act has stumbled around in the dark for the last 20, or so, years. All dogs are mongrels, a pedigree,at most, is a stabilisation of type over so many generations. The fact that so many ' feckless ' people grab a certain breed to mirror or replace elements missing, or deformed, in their own character is an entirely different problem. The dog displayed is a symptom and the dog behaviour is the result. Deal with the root of this malaise you will get answers. Changing law and banning things on a knee jerk reaction tends to amplify the problem. alnero
  • Score: 2

3:41pm Sat 12 Apr 14

IronLady2010 says...

I don't feel banning a specific breed of dog will work.

Let's be honest with each other, you will always get those people who will not train their pet.

So If we ban Staffies, they'll get a rottweiler or something of similar muscle power.

We need to fix the core of the problem which is the owners.
I don't feel banning a specific breed of dog will work. Let's be honest with each other, you will always get those people who will not train their pet. So If we ban Staffies, they'll get a rottweiler or something of similar muscle power. We need to fix the core of the problem which is the owners. IronLady2010
  • Score: 7

5:21pm Sat 12 Apr 14

bobby the crane says...

sammie.beer1994 wrote:
about a month ago me and my partner was involved with an incident with this dog in townhill park, we went to take out 9 year old springer spaniel zous for a walk and not even within a minute of leaving our house a brown female staffordshire bull terrier came bounding down the road towards us growling barking and showing her teeth, being animal lovers and very protective of our dog my partner immediately picked our dog zous up so he wasnt in danger of being attacked or hurt and the dog was running around his feed trying to jump up to attack our dog. i was very angry with the owners and the fact the dog was not on a lead and they clearly had no control over her either, the women was very defensive but the man was a bit more understanding, fortunately no one was harmed in this incident but this poor women and her puppy have been a victim of this dogs and her owners bad behavior. a stop needs to be put to this and it is giving other dogs and owners a bad name! i hope they find this dog soon and no one else is hurt or injured!
What A STUPID COMMENT the dog is mainly ''white'' with some marks, why make up these lies & post them
[quote][p][bold]sammie.beer1994[/bold] wrote: about a month ago me and my partner was involved with an incident with this dog in townhill park, we went to take out 9 year old springer spaniel zous for a walk and not even within a minute of leaving our house a brown female staffordshire bull terrier came bounding down the road towards us growling barking and showing her teeth, being animal lovers and very protective of our dog my partner immediately picked our dog zous up so he wasnt in danger of being attacked or hurt and the dog was running around his feed trying to jump up to attack our dog. i was very angry with the owners and the fact the dog was not on a lead and they clearly had no control over her either, the women was very defensive but the man was a bit more understanding, fortunately no one was harmed in this incident but this poor women and her puppy have been a victim of this dogs and her owners bad behavior. a stop needs to be put to this and it is giving other dogs and owners a bad name! i hope they find this dog soon and no one else is hurt or injured![/p][/quote]What A STUPID COMMENT the dog is mainly ''white'' with some marks, why make up these lies & post them bobby the crane
  • Score: 0

6:46pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Millie0505 says...

bobby the crane wrote:
sammie.beer1994 wrote:
about a month ago me and my partner was involved with an incident with this dog in townhill park, we went to take out 9 year old springer spaniel zous for a walk and not even within a minute of leaving our house a brown female staffordshire bull terrier came bounding down the road towards us growling barking and showing her teeth, being animal lovers and very protective of our dog my partner immediately picked our dog zous up so he wasnt in danger of being attacked or hurt and the dog was running around his feed trying to jump up to attack our dog. i was very angry with the owners and the fact the dog was not on a lead and they clearly had no control over her either, the women was very defensive but the man was a bit more understanding, fortunately no one was harmed in this incident but this poor women and her puppy have been a victim of this dogs and her owners bad behavior. a stop needs to be put to this and it is giving other dogs and owners a bad name! i hope they find this dog soon and no one else is hurt or injured!
What A STUPID COMMENT the dog is mainly ''white'' with some marks, why make up these lies & post them
I think you are referring to the white staffy that has just been destroyed, this is an unrelated incident and I feel you were rather quick to assume someone is stupid when it is quite clear you are the one that is slightly slow off the mark here.... Just saying xx
[quote][p][bold]bobby the crane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sammie.beer1994[/bold] wrote: about a month ago me and my partner was involved with an incident with this dog in townhill park, we went to take out 9 year old springer spaniel zous for a walk and not even within a minute of leaving our house a brown female staffordshire bull terrier came bounding down the road towards us growling barking and showing her teeth, being animal lovers and very protective of our dog my partner immediately picked our dog zous up so he wasnt in danger of being attacked or hurt and the dog was running around his feed trying to jump up to attack our dog. i was very angry with the owners and the fact the dog was not on a lead and they clearly had no control over her either, the women was very defensive but the man was a bit more understanding, fortunately no one was harmed in this incident but this poor women and her puppy have been a victim of this dogs and her owners bad behavior. a stop needs to be put to this and it is giving other dogs and owners a bad name! i hope they find this dog soon and no one else is hurt or injured![/p][/quote]What A STUPID COMMENT the dog is mainly ''white'' with some marks, why make up these lies & post them[/p][/quote]I think you are referring to the white staffy that has just been destroyed, this is an unrelated incident and I feel you were rather quick to assume someone is stupid when it is quite clear you are the one that is slightly slow off the mark here.... Just saying xx Millie0505
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8:17am Sun 13 Apr 14

fluffybunnnie says...

i think its funny how nobody questions what the little dog did to the staffy to cause it to react so. i was bitten 2 weeks ago in the face by a whippet, and i tell you now my injuries are worse than the lady's in this article. theres no hiding it, staffies are a powerful breed, with powerful jaws, yet the little dog survived, and the owner has little more than scratches on her face, if that staff REALLY wanted to hurt that dog, it wouldnt be here now. staffs are great dogs, as are any other in the right hands, but every dog has a limit. nobody questions what caused the reaction of the staffy, they just assume its at fault. if there was a staff on lead, being harassed by a little dog off lead, and the staff reacted after much provocation, the staff would still be blamed. my dog was attacked by another dog, whilst on lead and minding his own business, he owners attitude, "oh its ok for my dog to do that, yours is a savage dog", what because he's a staff? cheers for that.

i have many dogs that i walk that are dog reactive while out on walks (and they are not staffs), not because they are aggressive, but because of the inadequate control and socialisation owners have with their dogs. my dogs would not dream of approaching another dog on lead, nor would they approach another dogs face, if you understood dog behaviour, you would understand why. so when dogs approach other dogs of mine, they wonder why my dogs kick off, as they dont see that poor little snuggles approaching another dog on lead is not appropriate, and i then get abuse and told that my dogs are dangerous, for simply telling other dogs to go away in the only way they know how to. good, decent, correct education about dog behaviour and psychology is what is necessary here. not blaming a breed
i think its funny how nobody questions what the little dog did to the staffy to cause it to react so. i was bitten 2 weeks ago in the face by a whippet, and i tell you now my injuries are worse than the lady's in this article. theres no hiding it, staffies are a powerful breed, with powerful jaws, yet the little dog survived, and the owner has little more than scratches on her face, if that staff REALLY wanted to hurt that dog, it wouldnt be here now. staffs are great dogs, as are any other in the right hands, but every dog has a limit. nobody questions what caused the reaction of the staffy, they just assume its at fault. if there was a staff on lead, being harassed by a little dog off lead, and the staff reacted after much provocation, the staff would still be blamed. my dog was attacked by another dog, whilst on lead and minding his own business, he owners attitude, "oh its ok for my dog to do that, yours is a savage dog", what because he's a staff? cheers for that. i have many dogs that i walk that are dog reactive while out on walks (and they are not staffs), not because they are aggressive, but because of the inadequate control and socialisation owners have with their dogs. my dogs would not dream of approaching another dog on lead, nor would they approach another dogs face, if you understood dog behaviour, you would understand why. so when dogs approach other dogs of mine, they wonder why my dogs kick off, as they dont see that poor little snuggles approaching another dog on lead is not appropriate, and i then get abuse and told that my dogs are dangerous, for simply telling other dogs to go away in the only way they know how to. good, decent, correct education about dog behaviour and psychology is what is necessary here. not blaming a breed fluffybunnnie
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3:29pm Tue 15 Apr 14

D Bartlett says...

There's nothing wrong with any breed! It's the people that buy these dogs treat them badly and train them to attack. Staffies are lovely dogs but any dog reared to attack will do damage.
We need to bring back dog licensing and the fee should be set high to stop these hooligans buying several dogs and checks should be made on ownership.
At the end of the day people need to be vigilant and report owners that are using dogs as aggressors.
Please don't blame the dogs, it's the humans that rear them!
There's nothing wrong with any breed! It's the people that buy these dogs treat them badly and train them to attack. Staffies are lovely dogs but any dog reared to attack will do damage. We need to bring back dog licensing and the fee should be set high to stop these hooligans buying several dogs and checks should be made on ownership. At the end of the day people need to be vigilant and report owners that are using dogs as aggressors. Please don't blame the dogs, it's the humans that rear them! D Bartlett
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8:40pm Sun 20 Apr 14

lovestaffies says...

bigfella777 wrote:
I have a staffy, I know someone with a staffy, my staffys lovely, he is so cuddly and then one day it snaps and people get hurt. Its a chavs dog, they are ugly,they look stupid and so do you when you're with it. Grow up.
I clicked on thumbs up for this post by mistake,meant to click thumbs down. What an idiot you are,these dogs are as soft as brushes,i have 2 and they like nothing better than snuggling up on the sofa with me,my husband and 2 granddaughters when they visit. They love the girls to bits and go crazy when they see them.I also have 2 cats and the dogs get on very well with them!! ALL dogs can attack,as usual it's the same old thing,how they're brought up!
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: I have a staffy, I know someone with a staffy, my staffys lovely, he is so cuddly and then one day it snaps and people get hurt. Its a chavs dog, they are ugly,they look stupid and so do you when you're with it. Grow up.[/p][/quote]I clicked on thumbs up for this post by mistake,meant to click thumbs down. What an idiot you are,these dogs are as soft as brushes,i have 2 and they like nothing better than snuggling up on the sofa with me,my husband and 2 granddaughters when they visit. They love the girls to bits and go crazy when they see them.I also have 2 cats and the dogs get on very well with them!! ALL dogs can attack,as usual it's the same old thing,how they're brought up! lovestaffies
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