'Don't call UKIP racist' says Southampton Itchen MP John Denham

Nigel Farage

Nigel Farage

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Parliamentary Correspondent

SOUTHAMPTON MP John Denham has urged Labour colleagues not to brand Ukip “racist” – warning the tactic will backfire.

The Itchen MP, pictured, said his party will only win over voters tempted by Nigel Farage’s poll surge by listening carefully to their genuine concerns.

Last week, one Labour MP in London attacked Ukip’s billboard campaign – with slogans such as ‘British workers are hit hard by unlimited cheap labour’ – as “racist”.

But Mr Denham told the Daily Echo: “It’s clear that calling Ukip racist is not helpful, because what we need to do is talk about issues their voters are concerned about.

“Doing that sort of thing simply blocks off those voters – they won’t listen to the rest of what you have to say.

“We’ve got a very strong record about employment rights, public services and the NHS which appeals to a lot of the people who may be thinking of voting for Ukip.

“They want to hear about our arguments for dealing with migration, for how we will improve migration – calling Ukip racist sets up barriers.”

The MP, who steps down next year, was speaking after delivering a seminar in which he warned Labour still faced a huge challenge to win back Southern voters.

Mr Denham, an Ed Miliband loyalist, heads up his party’s ‘Southern Taskforce’, which is charged with boosting Labour’s appeal in the Tory heartlands.

Speaking at the London School of Economics (LSE), he urged Labour against speaking about a ‘north-south’ divide – because it alienated southern voters who were far from wealthy.

And he said: “Our difficulty is that, outside the target seats, most voters don’t think about voting Labour – and most voters don’t even think we are talking about them, when we think we are talking about them.

“Many of my party colleagues insist on talking about a north south divide. We are simply not on the agenda for most southern voters.”

Speaking afterwards, Mr Denham said he fully backed Mr Miliband’s ‘cost of living’ agenda, which was connecting with southern voters.

And he said: “The south needs to make its contribution to ensuring that Labour wins the seats that it needs to win – and I’m confident the south will deliver that share of target seats.”

Asked about the comments, Mr Miliband said: “I think that John speaks a lot of sense about the challenges for Labour right across the country, including in the south.

“I think we have a very important message about the south and to the people in the south of England because the cost of living crisis is what so many people are facing.”

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4:27am Sat 3 May 14

issacchunt says...

John, have you found the key to the door your party left wide open yet?
John, have you found the key to the door your party left wide open yet? issacchunt
  • Score: 15

5:43am Sat 3 May 14

mrs pepperpot says...

They have my vote.
They have my vote. mrs pepperpot
  • Score: 13

5:53am Sat 3 May 14

KSO16R says...

issacchunt wrote:
John, have you found the key to the door your party left wide open yet?
Issacchunt by name . . . Bigger one by nature!
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: John, have you found the key to the door your party left wide open yet?[/p][/quote]Issacchunt by name . . . Bigger one by nature! KSO16R
  • Score: -12

6:31am Sat 3 May 14

issacchunt says...

KSO16R wrote:
issacchunt wrote: John, have you found the key to the door your party left wide open yet?
Issacchunt by name . . . Bigger one by nature!
Don't get it?
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: John, have you found the key to the door your party left wide open yet?[/p][/quote]Issacchunt by name . . . Bigger one by nature![/p][/quote]Don't get it? issacchunt
  • Score: 5

6:46am Sat 3 May 14

Orwell's Ghost says...

Labour chose to adopt an open door immigration policy partly for ideological reasons and partly because it was their rich capitalist donors wanted a cheaper supply of labour. The result for the working class has been a disaster, lower pay and conditions, more pressure on State housing, health care and education, increased rents in the private sector, not to mention the environmental damage caused by massive migration's carbon footprint. The middle and upper classes have benefitted from cheaper goods and services and guess what? These are the classes that politicians belong to. The Left will realise after the election that criticism of mass immigration is not based on racism, but on the simple economics of demand and supply.
Labour chose to adopt an open door immigration policy partly for ideological reasons and partly because it was their rich capitalist donors wanted a cheaper supply of labour. The result for the working class has been a disaster, lower pay and conditions, more pressure on State housing, health care and education, increased rents in the private sector, not to mention the environmental damage caused by massive migration's carbon footprint. The middle and upper classes have benefitted from cheaper goods and services and guess what? These are the classes that politicians belong to. The Left will realise after the election that criticism of mass immigration is not based on racism, but on the simple economics of demand and supply. Orwell's Ghost
  • Score: 51

7:08am Sat 3 May 14

10 Minute Man says...

If you think UKIP are going to protect the working people of this country, think again.

Taking us away from laws protecting peoples rights at work, we will be left like people in the US: fired at will, little holiday or sickness cover.

Euro politicians may be out of control and out of touch, but the route is reform not exit. Unfortunately the other parties - left and right - don't have the balls to address this, nor immigration and out of control corporate power. So the fascist stockbroker wolf in "normal bloke down the pub" clothing will take power.

Still, Europe works out well for Farage- he isn't shy of claiming all the expenses and allowances he can just like the other leeches.
If you think UKIP are going to protect the working people of this country, think again. Taking us away from laws protecting peoples rights at work, we will be left like people in the US: fired at will, little holiday or sickness cover. Euro politicians may be out of control and out of touch, but the route is reform not exit. Unfortunately the other parties - left and right - don't have the balls to address this, nor immigration and out of control corporate power. So the fascist stockbroker wolf in "normal bloke down the pub" clothing will take power. Still, Europe works out well for Farage- he isn't shy of claiming all the expenses and allowances he can just like the other leeches. 10 Minute Man
  • Score: -5

7:19am Sat 3 May 14

loosehead says...

UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights?
After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system.
Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another.
How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?
UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights? After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system. Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another. How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site? loosehead
  • Score: 32

7:36am Sat 3 May 14

Kirsty666 says...

UKIP have my vote all the way
UKIP have my vote all the way Kirsty666
  • Score: 30

7:58am Sat 3 May 14

Charlie Bucket says...

Kirsty666 wrote:
UKIP have my vote all the way
We know. It's painfully obvious who the racists are on these boards.

Cue the usual "why's it racist to ?" rhetoric.
[quote][p][bold]Kirsty666[/bold] wrote: UKIP have my vote all the way[/p][/quote]We know. It's painfully obvious who the racists are on these boards. Cue the usual "why's it racist to ?" rhetoric. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: -20

8:40am Sat 3 May 14

IanUnite says...

loosehead wrote:
UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights?
After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system.
Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another.
How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?
Yes they have said they will take away workers rights on working hours, holidays (legal right brought in by EU), Maternity leave.

I agree with John Denham. I wouldn't brand UKIP as outwardly racist. I would brand a lot of their individual members as prejudiced against foreigners though. And a lot of their individual members have on a regular basis come out with opinions which are racist (lenny henry comment) Anti gay ( bad weather caused by gay marraige) and anti trade union. UKIP in my view are the old Thatcherite wing of the Tory party. They are obsessed with the EU, Immigration and are anti Trade Union.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights? After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system. Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another. How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?[/p][/quote]Yes they have said they will take away workers rights on working hours, holidays (legal right brought in by EU), Maternity leave. I agree with John Denham. I wouldn't brand UKIP as outwardly racist. I would brand a lot of their individual members as prejudiced against foreigners though. And a lot of their individual members have on a regular basis come out with opinions which are racist (lenny henry comment) Anti gay ( bad weather caused by gay marraige) and anti trade union. UKIP in my view are the old Thatcherite wing of the Tory party. They are obsessed with the EU, Immigration and are anti Trade Union. IanUnite
  • Score: -6

8:40am Sat 3 May 14

Quizbook says...

Is this how far the Labour Party have sunk ?

Ukip are a backward looking, unrealistic, revival of the old Empire Loyalists from the 1950s.

Get your head round the fact that people are more mobile nowadays. Well over a million and a half British people now live in EU states. If we leave the Eu and expel EU citizens, do you think the other EU nations will not send our people packing as well ?

Leaving The EU would devastate the British economy. Whatever you do, dont vote for Ukip - or Labour either come to that !
Is this how far the Labour Party have sunk ? Ukip are a backward looking, unrealistic, revival of the old Empire Loyalists from the 1950s. Get your head round the fact that people are more mobile nowadays. Well over a million and a half British people now live in EU states. If we leave the Eu and expel EU citizens, do you think the other EU nations will not send our people packing as well ? Leaving The EU would devastate the British economy. Whatever you do, dont vote for Ukip - or Labour either come to that ! Quizbook
  • Score: -27

8:46am Sat 3 May 14

Nod says...

Can we call UKIP naive and stupid for having policies to introduce charges to jump A & E queues and to Visit Doctors?

Can we call them complete imbeciles for wanting to scrap the top rate of tax instead putting everybody on a flat rate, effectively reducing the amount top rate tax payers pay to 30%?
Can we call UKIP naive and stupid for having policies to introduce charges to jump A & E queues and to Visit Doctors? Can we call them complete imbeciles for wanting to scrap the top rate of tax instead putting everybody on a flat rate, effectively reducing the amount top rate tax payers pay to 30%? Nod
  • Score: 1

8:48am Sat 3 May 14

bogart259 says...

But UKIP are a bunch of racists - can't see a problem with that statement
But UKIP are a bunch of racists - can't see a problem with that statement bogart259
  • Score: 34

8:50am Sat 3 May 14

From the sidelines says...

White Dee can see the Benefits in voting Labour.
White Dee can see the Benefits in voting Labour. From the sidelines
  • Score: 5

9:17am Sat 3 May 14

Kirsty666 says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
Kirsty666 wrote:
UKIP have my vote all the way
We know. It's painfully obvious who the racists are on these boards.

Cue the usual "why's it racist to ?" rhetoric.
Did I state I'm racist? No I did not but I'd rather my vote go to waste on UKIP than voting Labour Lib Dems and Tories and if I was racist I'd vote BNP
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kirsty666[/bold] wrote: UKIP have my vote all the way[/p][/quote]We know. It's painfully obvious who the racists are on these boards. Cue the usual "why's it racist to ?" rhetoric.[/p][/quote]Did I state I'm racist? No I did not but I'd rather my vote go to waste on UKIP than voting Labour Lib Dems and Tories and if I was racist I'd vote BNP Kirsty666
  • Score: 19

9:18am Sat 3 May 14

Charlie Bucket says...

Kirsty666 wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Kirsty666 wrote:
UKIP have my vote all the way
We know. It's painfully obvious who the racists are on these boards.

Cue the usual "why's it racist to ?" rhetoric.
Did I state I'm racist? No I did not but I'd rather my vote go to waste on UKIP than voting Labour Lib Dems and Tories and if I was racist I'd vote BNP
Of course you didn't state it. I inferred it from your many racist posts.
[quote][p][bold]Kirsty666[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kirsty666[/bold] wrote: UKIP have my vote all the way[/p][/quote]We know. It's painfully obvious who the racists are on these boards. Cue the usual "why's it racist to ?" rhetoric.[/p][/quote]Did I state I'm racist? No I did not but I'd rather my vote go to waste on UKIP than voting Labour Lib Dems and Tories and if I was racist I'd vote BNP[/p][/quote]Of course you didn't state it. I inferred it from your many racist posts. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: -5

9:21am Sat 3 May 14

Charlie Bucket says...

bogart259 wrote:
But UKIP are a bunch of racists - can't see a problem with that statement
His idea is that if the Labour party *pretend* to take the neanderthals seriously, people are less likely to vote against Labour.
[quote][p][bold]bogart259[/bold] wrote: But UKIP are a bunch of racists - can't see a problem with that statement[/p][/quote]His idea is that if the Labour party *pretend* to take the neanderthals seriously, people are less likely to vote against Labour. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 5

9:28am Sat 3 May 14

good-gosh says...

Can we put off leaving Europe until we have a few hundred more warships, just in case our now friendly foes fancy another punch up when the treaties are torn up?
Can we put off leaving Europe until we have a few hundred more warships, just in case our now friendly foes fancy another punch up when the treaties are torn up? good-gosh
  • Score: 5

9:33am Sat 3 May 14

freefinker says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
bogart259 wrote:
But UKIP are a bunch of racists - can't see a problem with that statement
His idea is that if the Labour party *pretend* to take the neanderthals seriously, people are less likely to vote against Labour.
.. please, please don't insult Neanderthals by associating them with UKIP.

They were a very successful species for 10's of thousands of years and if they were still around today would be shocked by you associating them with these real thoughtless primitives that call themselves UKIP
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogart259[/bold] wrote: But UKIP are a bunch of racists - can't see a problem with that statement[/p][/quote]His idea is that if the Labour party *pretend* to take the neanderthals seriously, people are less likely to vote against Labour.[/p][/quote].. please, please don't insult Neanderthals by associating them with UKIP. They were a very successful species for 10's of thousands of years and if they were still around today would be shocked by you associating them with these real thoughtless primitives that call themselves UKIP freefinker
  • Score: -6

9:37am Sat 3 May 14

loosehead says...

I'm married to a Thai, Farage is married to a German,The Test UKIP candidate is of West Indian descent yet still we have Labour supporters & Unite union members branding UKIP racist?
Any law the EU has forced on us which is good for the people we can pass as a law by ourselves wasn't the idea of the last referendum to vote on a trading block of independent nations?
Please tell me where in any of the Pro Common market literature it stated one country ruled by a Parliament/commissio
n in Europe?
Where did anything at the time of the referendum state there would be a Euro currency?
Why is it racist to say we want our country back? Are the Scots/SNP racist? If so why aren't Labour supporters & the ANTI racist groups attacking SNP meetings?
I'm married to a Thai, Farage is married to a German,The Test UKIP candidate is of West Indian descent yet still we have Labour supporters & Unite union members branding UKIP racist? Any law the EU has forced on us which is good for the people we can pass as a law by ourselves wasn't the idea of the last referendum to vote on a trading block of independent nations? Please tell me where in any of the Pro Common market literature it stated one country ruled by a Parliament/commissio n in Europe? Where did anything at the time of the referendum state there would be a Euro currency? Why is it racist to say we want our country back? Are the Scots/SNP racist? If so why aren't Labour supporters & the ANTI racist groups attacking SNP meetings? loosehead
  • Score: 27

9:40am Sat 3 May 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Quizbook wrote:
Is this how far the Labour Party have sunk ?

Ukip are a backward looking, unrealistic, revival of the old Empire Loyalists from the 1950s.

Get your head round the fact that people are more mobile nowadays. Well over a million and a half British people now live in EU states. If we leave the Eu and expel EU citizens, do you think the other EU nations will not send our people packing as well ?

Leaving The EU would devastate the British economy. Whatever you do, dont vote for Ukip - or Labour either come to that !
So ........... according to you "Leaving The EU would devastate the British economy. Whatever you do, dont vote for Ukip - or Labour either come to that"
.
So if you vote say Tory and in the unlikely event you get a referendum ..... people WILL vote to come out ...... then what ?
[quote][p][bold]Quizbook[/bold] wrote: Is this how far the Labour Party have sunk ? Ukip are a backward looking, unrealistic, revival of the old Empire Loyalists from the 1950s. Get your head round the fact that people are more mobile nowadays. Well over a million and a half British people now live in EU states. If we leave the Eu and expel EU citizens, do you think the other EU nations will not send our people packing as well ? Leaving The EU would devastate the British economy. Whatever you do, dont vote for Ukip - or Labour either come to that ![/p][/quote]So ........... according to you "Leaving The EU would devastate the British economy. Whatever you do, dont vote for Ukip - or Labour either come to that" . So if you vote say Tory and in the unlikely event you get a referendum ..... people WILL vote to come out ...... then what ? Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 2

9:44am Sat 3 May 14

Linesman says...

issacchunt wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
issacchunt wrote: John, have you found the key to the door your party left wide open yet?
Issacchunt by name . . . Bigger one by nature!
Don't get it?
Why? Too big a one?
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: John, have you found the key to the door your party left wide open yet?[/p][/quote]Issacchunt by name . . . Bigger one by nature![/p][/quote]Don't get it?[/p][/quote]Why? Too big a one? Linesman
  • Score: -1

9:44am Sat 3 May 14

loosehead says...

freefinker wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
bogart259 wrote:
But UKIP are a bunch of racists - can't see a problem with that statement
His idea is that if the Labour party *pretend* to take the neanderthals seriously, people are less likely to vote against Labour.
.. please, please don't insult Neanderthals by associating them with UKIP.

They were a very successful species for 10's of thousands of years and if they were still around today would be shocked by you associating them with these real thoughtless primitives that call themselves UKIP
So wait a minute they think yes THINK differently than you do so you call them thoughtless primitives?
So your only answer to UKIP is insults? who's the thoughtless primitive?
We have Socialists harking on about what Labour have done for us the working people ion the past are Labour/Union supporters all thoughtless primitives as well?
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogart259[/bold] wrote: But UKIP are a bunch of racists - can't see a problem with that statement[/p][/quote]His idea is that if the Labour party *pretend* to take the neanderthals seriously, people are less likely to vote against Labour.[/p][/quote].. please, please don't insult Neanderthals by associating them with UKIP. They were a very successful species for 10's of thousands of years and if they were still around today would be shocked by you associating them with these real thoughtless primitives that call themselves UKIP[/p][/quote]So wait a minute they think yes THINK differently than you do so you call them thoughtless primitives? So your only answer to UKIP is insults? who's the thoughtless primitive? We have Socialists harking on about what Labour have done for us the working people ion the past are Labour/Union supporters all thoughtless primitives as well? loosehead
  • Score: 9

9:45am Sat 3 May 14

Linesman says...

Orwell's Ghost wrote:
Labour chose to adopt an open door immigration policy partly for ideological reasons and partly because it was their rich capitalist donors wanted a cheaper supply of labour. The result for the working class has been a disaster, lower pay and conditions, more pressure on State housing, health care and education, increased rents in the private sector, not to mention the environmental damage caused by massive migration's carbon footprint. The middle and upper classes have benefitted from cheaper goods and services and guess what? These are the classes that politicians belong to. The Left will realise after the election that criticism of mass immigration is not based on racism, but on the simple economics of demand and supply.
Despite the pre-election promises, Cameron & Co have done nothing about it in the past four years, other than talk.
[quote][p][bold]Orwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Labour chose to adopt an open door immigration policy partly for ideological reasons and partly because it was their rich capitalist donors wanted a cheaper supply of labour. The result for the working class has been a disaster, lower pay and conditions, more pressure on State housing, health care and education, increased rents in the private sector, not to mention the environmental damage caused by massive migration's carbon footprint. The middle and upper classes have benefitted from cheaper goods and services and guess what? These are the classes that politicians belong to. The Left will realise after the election that criticism of mass immigration is not based on racism, but on the simple economics of demand and supply.[/p][/quote]Despite the pre-election promises, Cameron & Co have done nothing about it in the past four years, other than talk. Linesman
  • Score: 5

9:52am Sat 3 May 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights?
After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system.
Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another.
How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?
A lot of workers rights are protected by the Human Rights Act.

Redundancy and unfair dismissal have all been covered in the Human Rights Act to protect the worker.

Do you really think that you got such good redundancy terms, just because BAT thought you were a nice bloke and deserved it?

There were rules that they had to follow, and they were part of the Human Rights Act.

Is that Act perfect?

Of course it is not. It was drawn up by humans, and humans are not perfect, so of course there are bits that are bad and need amending, but that does not mean that the whole lot should be scrapped.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights? After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system. Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another. How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?[/p][/quote]A lot of workers rights are protected by the Human Rights Act. Redundancy and unfair dismissal have all been covered in the Human Rights Act to protect the worker. Do you really think that you got such good redundancy terms, just because BAT thought you were a nice bloke and deserved it? There were rules that they had to follow, and they were part of the Human Rights Act. Is that Act perfect? Of course it is not. It was drawn up by humans, and humans are not perfect, so of course there are bits that are bad and need amending, but that does not mean that the whole lot should be scrapped. Linesman
  • Score: 6

9:52am Sat 3 May 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights?
After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system.
Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another.
How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?
A lot of workers rights are protected by the Human Rights Act.

Redundancy and unfair dismissal have all been covered in the Human Rights Act to protect the worker.

Do you really think that you got such good redundancy terms, just because BAT thought you were a nice bloke and deserved it?

There were rules that they had to follow, and they were part of the Human Rights Act.

Is that Act perfect?

Of course it is not. It was drawn up by humans, and humans are not perfect, so of course there are bits that are bad and need amending, but that does not mean that the whole lot should be scrapped.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights? After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system. Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another. How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?[/p][/quote]A lot of workers rights are protected by the Human Rights Act. Redundancy and unfair dismissal have all been covered in the Human Rights Act to protect the worker. Do you really think that you got such good redundancy terms, just because BAT thought you were a nice bloke and deserved it? There were rules that they had to follow, and they were part of the Human Rights Act. Is that Act perfect? Of course it is not. It was drawn up by humans, and humans are not perfect, so of course there are bits that are bad and need amending, but that does not mean that the whole lot should be scrapped. Linesman
  • Score: 2

10:02am Sat 3 May 14

Kirsty666 says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
Kirsty666 wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Kirsty666 wrote:
UKIP have my vote all the way
We know. It's painfully obvious who the racists are on these boards.

Cue the usual "why's it racist to ?" rhetoric.
Did I state I'm racist? No I did not but I'd rather my vote go to waste on UKIP than voting Labour Lib Dems and Tories and if I was racist I'd vote BNP
Of course you didn't state it. I inferred it from your many racist posts.
Ooops didn't realise you were the only person in the UK allowed an opinion I think the rest of us DE commenters best keep quiet and allow Mr Charlie Bucket big head only comment!!
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kirsty666[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kirsty666[/bold] wrote: UKIP have my vote all the way[/p][/quote]We know. It's painfully obvious who the racists are on these boards. Cue the usual "why's it racist to ?" rhetoric.[/p][/quote]Did I state I'm racist? No I did not but I'd rather my vote go to waste on UKIP than voting Labour Lib Dems and Tories and if I was racist I'd vote BNP[/p][/quote]Of course you didn't state it. I inferred it from your many racist posts.[/p][/quote]Ooops didn't realise you were the only person in the UK allowed an opinion I think the rest of us DE commenters best keep quiet and allow Mr Charlie Bucket big head only comment!! Kirsty666
  • Score: 9

10:07am Sat 3 May 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
bogart259 wrote:
But UKIP are a bunch of racists - can't see a problem with that statement
His idea is that if the Labour party *pretend* to take the neanderthals seriously, people are less likely to vote against Labour.
.. please, please don't insult Neanderthals by associating them with UKIP.

They were a very successful species for 10's of thousands of years and if they were still around today would be shocked by you associating them with these real thoughtless primitives that call themselves UKIP
So wait a minute they think yes THINK differently than you do so you call them thoughtless primitives?
So your only answer to UKIP is insults? who's the thoughtless primitive?
We have Socialists harking on about what Labour have done for us the working people ion the past are Labour/Union supporters all thoughtless primitives as well?
That's rich coming from you.

You often hurl insults at posters who get you boxed into a corner, pointing out the errors and falsehoods in your comments.

You have been lucky to have had better educational opportunities, thanks to the improvements made to the system under the post-war Labour Government.

You are too young to have worked during the time when the 48 hour week/five and a half day week was the norm.

When there was no Bank Holiday on New Year's day or a May Day Bank holiday.

You were never in a position where you saw your parents check the pockets and lining in old coats to see whether there was enough money to make a visit to the GP, because a Labour Government had brought in the NHS.

The improvements in pay and conditions at work, health and safety etc. have not come about thanks to the benevolence of perfect, humanitarian employers, but by the efforts of Unions and their officials, that you can never say a good word about.

Your ignorance of what Labour and the Unions have done for working people in the past is shocking.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogart259[/bold] wrote: But UKIP are a bunch of racists - can't see a problem with that statement[/p][/quote]His idea is that if the Labour party *pretend* to take the neanderthals seriously, people are less likely to vote against Labour.[/p][/quote].. please, please don't insult Neanderthals by associating them with UKIP. They were a very successful species for 10's of thousands of years and if they were still around today would be shocked by you associating them with these real thoughtless primitives that call themselves UKIP[/p][/quote]So wait a minute they think yes THINK differently than you do so you call them thoughtless primitives? So your only answer to UKIP is insults? who's the thoughtless primitive? We have Socialists harking on about what Labour have done for us the working people ion the past are Labour/Union supporters all thoughtless primitives as well?[/p][/quote]That's rich coming from you. You often hurl insults at posters who get you boxed into a corner, pointing out the errors and falsehoods in your comments. You have been lucky to have had better educational opportunities, thanks to the improvements made to the system under the post-war Labour Government. You are too young to have worked during the time when the 48 hour week/five and a half day week was the norm. When there was no Bank Holiday on New Year's day or a May Day Bank holiday. You were never in a position where you saw your parents check the pockets and lining in old coats to see whether there was enough money to make a visit to the GP, because a Labour Government had brought in the NHS. The improvements in pay and conditions at work, health and safety etc. have not come about thanks to the benevolence of perfect, humanitarian employers, but by the efforts of Unions and their officials, that you can never say a good word about. Your ignorance of what Labour and the Unions have done for working people in the past is shocking. Linesman
  • Score: 6

10:24am Sat 3 May 14

mickey01 says...

10 Minute Man wrote:
If you think UKIP are going to protect the working people of this country, think again.

Taking us away from laws protecting peoples rights at work, we will be left like people in the US: fired at will, little holiday or sickness cover.

Euro politicians may be out of control and out of touch, but the route is reform not exit. Unfortunately the other parties - left and right - don't have the balls to address this, nor immigration and out of control corporate power. So the fascist stockbroker wolf in "normal bloke down the pub" clothing will take power.

Still, Europe works out well for Farage- he isn't shy of claiming all the expenses and allowances he can just like the other leeches.
they get my vote
[quote][p][bold]10 Minute Man[/bold] wrote: If you think UKIP are going to protect the working people of this country, think again. Taking us away from laws protecting peoples rights at work, we will be left like people in the US: fired at will, little holiday or sickness cover. Euro politicians may be out of control and out of touch, but the route is reform not exit. Unfortunately the other parties - left and right - don't have the balls to address this, nor immigration and out of control corporate power. So the fascist stockbroker wolf in "normal bloke down the pub" clothing will take power. Still, Europe works out well for Farage- he isn't shy of claiming all the expenses and allowances he can just like the other leeches.[/p][/quote]they get my vote mickey01
  • Score: -1

10:25am Sat 3 May 14

mickey01 says...

bogart259 wrote:
But UKIP are a bunch of racists - can't see a problem with that statement
they get my vote
[quote][p][bold]bogart259[/bold] wrote: But UKIP are a bunch of racists - can't see a problem with that statement[/p][/quote]they get my vote mickey01
  • Score: -5

10:33am Sat 3 May 14

southy says...

Quizbook wrote:
Is this how far the Labour Party have sunk ?

Ukip are a backward looking, unrealistic, revival of the old Empire Loyalists from the 1950s.

Get your head round the fact that people are more mobile nowadays. Well over a million and a half British people now live in EU states. If we leave the Eu and expel EU citizens, do you think the other EU nations will not send our people packing as well ?

Leaving The EU would devastate the British economy. Whatever you do, dont vote for Ukip - or Labour either come to that !
Or Torys and Lib/Dem
[quote][p][bold]Quizbook[/bold] wrote: Is this how far the Labour Party have sunk ? Ukip are a backward looking, unrealistic, revival of the old Empire Loyalists from the 1950s. Get your head round the fact that people are more mobile nowadays. Well over a million and a half British people now live in EU states. If we leave the Eu and expel EU citizens, do you think the other EU nations will not send our people packing as well ? Leaving The EU would devastate the British economy. Whatever you do, dont vote for Ukip - or Labour either come to that ![/p][/quote]Or Torys and Lib/Dem southy
  • Score: -9

10:38am Sat 3 May 14

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
bogart259 wrote:
But UKIP are a bunch of racists - can't see a problem with that statement
His idea is that if the Labour party *pretend* to take the neanderthals seriously, people are less likely to vote against Labour.
.. please, please don't insult Neanderthals by associating them with UKIP.

They were a very successful species for 10's of thousands of years and if they were still around today would be shocked by you associating them with these real thoughtless primitives that call themselves UKIP
They still are around Free, Neanderthals DNA is in every one of us, its cross breeding that makes up modern man and yes i do agree with you on the insult to Neanderthals
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogart259[/bold] wrote: But UKIP are a bunch of racists - can't see a problem with that statement[/p][/quote]His idea is that if the Labour party *pretend* to take the neanderthals seriously, people are less likely to vote against Labour.[/p][/quote].. please, please don't insult Neanderthals by associating them with UKIP. They were a very successful species for 10's of thousands of years and if they were still around today would be shocked by you associating them with these real thoughtless primitives that call themselves UKIP[/p][/quote]They still are around Free, Neanderthals DNA is in every one of us, its cross breeding that makes up modern man and yes i do agree with you on the insult to Neanderthals southy
  • Score: -3

10:40am Sat 3 May 14

tootle says...

My son asked me yesterday who i would vote for. If the general election was this month I would vote UKIP. Why? Policies - no, belief - no, racism - no. Basically, as a child of the sixties, it could be FUN. I, for one, am fed up of clone politicians from clone parties with clone policies, none of which improve my lot(but then again I think it is up to me to improve my lot, I'd just approve of less stacking of odds against me) People's Army, earthquake in British politics - All for that. This week..

However since the general election is next year I will wait, see and decide then..
My son asked me yesterday who i would vote for. If the general election was this month I would vote UKIP. Why? Policies - no, belief - no, racism - no. Basically, as a child of the sixties, it could be FUN. I, for one, am fed up of clone politicians from clone parties with clone policies, none of which improve my lot(but then again I think it is up to me to improve my lot, I'd just approve of less stacking of odds against me) People's Army, earthquake in British politics - All for that. This week.. However since the general election is next year I will wait, see and decide then.. tootle
  • Score: 8

10:45am Sat 3 May 14

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
I'm married to a Thai, Farage is married to a German,The Test UKIP candidate is of West Indian descent yet still we have Labour supporters & Unite union members branding UKIP racist?
Any law the EU has forced on us which is good for the people we can pass as a law by ourselves wasn't the idea of the last referendum to vote on a trading block of independent nations?
Please tell me where in any of the Pro Common market literature it stated one country ruled by a Parliament/commissio

n in Europe?
Where did anything at the time of the referendum state there would be a Euro currency?
Why is it racist to say we want our country back? Are the Scots/SNP racist? If so why aren't Labour supporters & the ANTI racist groups attacking SNP meetings?
Hitlers party had a Mishlings army but that did not stop it being a racist fascist party now did it. UKIP are no different they need to give a false image to gain the workers vote, with out it they have no hope.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I'm married to a Thai, Farage is married to a German,The Test UKIP candidate is of West Indian descent yet still we have Labour supporters & Unite union members branding UKIP racist? Any law the EU has forced on us which is good for the people we can pass as a law by ourselves wasn't the idea of the last referendum to vote on a trading block of independent nations? Please tell me where in any of the Pro Common market literature it stated one country ruled by a Parliament/commissio n in Europe? Where did anything at the time of the referendum state there would be a Euro currency? Why is it racist to say we want our country back? Are the Scots/SNP racist? If so why aren't Labour supporters & the ANTI racist groups attacking SNP meetings?[/p][/quote]Hitlers party had a Mishlings army but that did not stop it being a racist fascist party now did it. UKIP are no different they need to give a false image to gain the workers vote, with out it they have no hope. southy
  • Score: -12

10:48am Sat 3 May 14

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
bogart259 wrote:
But UKIP are a bunch of racists - can't see a problem with that statement
His idea is that if the Labour party *pretend* to take the neanderthals seriously, people are less likely to vote against Labour.
.. please, please don't insult Neanderthals by associating them with UKIP.

They were a very successful species for 10's of thousands of years and if they were still around today would be shocked by you associating them with these real thoughtless primitives that call themselves UKIP
So wait a minute they think yes THINK differently than you do so you call them thoughtless primitives?
So your only answer to UKIP is insults? who's the thoughtless primitive?
We have Socialists harking on about what Labour have done for us the working people ion the past are Labour/Union supporters all thoughtless primitives as well?
That's rich coming from you.

You often hurl insults at posters who get you boxed into a corner, pointing out the errors and falsehoods in your comments.

You have been lucky to have had better educational opportunities, thanks to the improvements made to the system under the post-war Labour Government.

You are too young to have worked during the time when the 48 hour week/five and a half day week was the norm.

When there was no Bank Holiday on New Year's day or a May Day Bank holiday.

You were never in a position where you saw your parents check the pockets and lining in old coats to see whether there was enough money to make a visit to the GP, because a Labour Government had brought in the NHS.

The improvements in pay and conditions at work, health and safety etc. have not come about thanks to the benevolence of perfect, humanitarian employers, but by the efforts of Unions and their officials, that you can never say a good word about.

Your ignorance of what Labour and the Unions have done for working people in the past is shocking.
Lone that came about because of the 46% socialist that was in the Labour party, its not the Nu-Labour of now days.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogart259[/bold] wrote: But UKIP are a bunch of racists - can't see a problem with that statement[/p][/quote]His idea is that if the Labour party *pretend* to take the neanderthals seriously, people are less likely to vote against Labour.[/p][/quote].. please, please don't insult Neanderthals by associating them with UKIP. They were a very successful species for 10's of thousands of years and if they were still around today would be shocked by you associating them with these real thoughtless primitives that call themselves UKIP[/p][/quote]So wait a minute they think yes THINK differently than you do so you call them thoughtless primitives? So your only answer to UKIP is insults? who's the thoughtless primitive? We have Socialists harking on about what Labour have done for us the working people ion the past are Labour/Union supporters all thoughtless primitives as well?[/p][/quote]That's rich coming from you. You often hurl insults at posters who get you boxed into a corner, pointing out the errors and falsehoods in your comments. You have been lucky to have had better educational opportunities, thanks to the improvements made to the system under the post-war Labour Government. You are too young to have worked during the time when the 48 hour week/five and a half day week was the norm. When there was no Bank Holiday on New Year's day or a May Day Bank holiday. You were never in a position where you saw your parents check the pockets and lining in old coats to see whether there was enough money to make a visit to the GP, because a Labour Government had brought in the NHS. The improvements in pay and conditions at work, health and safety etc. have not come about thanks to the benevolence of perfect, humanitarian employers, but by the efforts of Unions and their officials, that you can never say a good word about. Your ignorance of what Labour and the Unions have done for working people in the past is shocking.[/p][/quote]Lone that came about because of the 46% socialist that was in the Labour party, its not the Nu-Labour of now days. southy
  • Score: -4

10:56am Sat 3 May 14

skeptik says...

Time to mature up a bit and realize that columns of point scoring contributions change nothing - we could say it started with the conservative party and was made worse under labour and all governments of whatever stripe since the 1950s, we can repeat that as often as we like - we are still here and we need to plan and make decisions for tomorrow. My party good yours bad is a two way street leading nowhere. Ideas and plans will make change.
Time to mature up a bit and realize that columns of point scoring contributions change nothing - we could say it started with the conservative party and was made worse under labour and all governments of whatever stripe since the 1950s, we can repeat that as often as we like - we are still here and we need to plan and make decisions for tomorrow. My party good yours bad is a two way street leading nowhere. Ideas and plans will make change. skeptik
  • Score: 8

10:58am Sat 3 May 14

southy says...

IanUnite wrote:
loosehead wrote:
UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights?
After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system.
Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another.
How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?
Yes they have said they will take away workers rights on working hours, holidays (legal right brought in by EU), Maternity leave.

I agree with John Denham. I wouldn't brand UKIP as outwardly racist. I would brand a lot of their individual members as prejudiced against foreigners though. And a lot of their individual members have on a regular basis come out with opinions which are racist (lenny henry comment) Anti gay ( bad weather caused by gay marraige) and anti trade union. UKIP in my view are the old Thatcherite wing of the Tory party. They are obsessed with the EU, Immigration and are anti Trade Union.
Nicely put Ian, But Labour have abandon the workers and the Unions but they still want the Workers votes and the Unions money but what have they done for these people when last in office nothing they just carried on with Thatchers policy, Your never going to win back Labour they are a lost cause.
And if you think Milliband is going to be any different well they are not its just sound bites coming from them and when they are back in office next year they will just implement more Thatcherite,s policy of selling up things like NHS, I still not forgotten the bits that they sold last time in office or giving part of what was RM to the private sector
[quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights? After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system. Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another. How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?[/p][/quote]Yes they have said they will take away workers rights on working hours, holidays (legal right brought in by EU), Maternity leave. I agree with John Denham. I wouldn't brand UKIP as outwardly racist. I would brand a lot of their individual members as prejudiced against foreigners though. And a lot of their individual members have on a regular basis come out with opinions which are racist (lenny henry comment) Anti gay ( bad weather caused by gay marraige) and anti trade union. UKIP in my view are the old Thatcherite wing of the Tory party. They are obsessed with the EU, Immigration and are anti Trade Union.[/p][/quote]Nicely put Ian, But Labour have abandon the workers and the Unions but they still want the Workers votes and the Unions money but what have they done for these people when last in office nothing they just carried on with Thatchers policy, Your never going to win back Labour they are a lost cause. And if you think Milliband is going to be any different well they are not its just sound bites coming from them and when they are back in office next year they will just implement more Thatcherite,s policy of selling up things like NHS, I still not forgotten the bits that they sold last time in office or giving part of what was RM to the private sector southy
  • Score: 0

11:17am Sat 3 May 14

cliffwalker says...

Unfortunately to call UKIP racist makes it attractive to some voters who might otherwise consider voting for one of the major parties.
Many voters make their decisions on the flimsiest of evidence but based on strong feelings about the general tone of the parties. Further, many of us are easily swayed by xenophobic rhetoric even when we know it's unfounded and unworthy.
Denham is absolutely right to emphasize issues like employment rights, public services and the NHS which can be perverted by some to a discussion of immigration which has little to do with the real problems.
Unfortunately to call UKIP racist makes it attractive to some voters who might otherwise consider voting for one of the major parties. Many voters make their decisions on the flimsiest of evidence but based on strong feelings about the general tone of the parties. Further, many of us are easily swayed by xenophobic rhetoric even when we know it's unfounded and unworthy. Denham is absolutely right to emphasize issues like employment rights, public services and the NHS which can be perverted by some to a discussion of immigration which has little to do with the real problems. cliffwalker
  • Score: 2

11:20am Sat 3 May 14

Inform Al says...

10 Minute Man wrote:
If you think UKIP are going to protect the working people of this country, think again.

Taking us away from laws protecting peoples rights at work, we will be left like people in the US: fired at will, little holiday or sickness cover.

Euro politicians may be out of control and out of touch, but the route is reform not exit. Unfortunately the other parties - left and right - don't have the balls to address this, nor immigration and out of control corporate power. So the fascist stockbroker wolf in "normal bloke down the pub" clothing will take power.

Still, Europe works out well for Farage- he isn't shy of claiming all the expenses and allowances he can just like the other leeches.
I take it Dawn French's scriptwriter is your political adviser.
[quote][p][bold]10 Minute Man[/bold] wrote: If you think UKIP are going to protect the working people of this country, think again. Taking us away from laws protecting peoples rights at work, we will be left like people in the US: fired at will, little holiday or sickness cover. Euro politicians may be out of control and out of touch, but the route is reform not exit. Unfortunately the other parties - left and right - don't have the balls to address this, nor immigration and out of control corporate power. So the fascist stockbroker wolf in "normal bloke down the pub" clothing will take power. Still, Europe works out well for Farage- he isn't shy of claiming all the expenses and allowances he can just like the other leeches.[/p][/quote]I take it Dawn French's scriptwriter is your political adviser. Inform Al
  • Score: -6

11:24am Sat 3 May 14

issacchunt says...

Linesman wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
issacchunt wrote: John, have you found the key to the door your party left wide open yet?
Issacchunt by name . . . Bigger one by nature!
Don't get it?
Why? Too big a one?
Still don't get it, but I do smell the fear of the mainstream parties. Name calling won't change the inevitable, I see a revolution coming and it's purple.

Most of the berks on hear have not really taken on board Denhams well thought out comment.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: John, have you found the key to the door your party left wide open yet?[/p][/quote]Issacchunt by name . . . Bigger one by nature![/p][/quote]Don't get it?[/p][/quote]Why? Too big a one?[/p][/quote]Still don't get it, but I do smell the fear of the mainstream parties. Name calling won't change the inevitable, I see a revolution coming and it's purple. Most of the berks on hear have not really taken on board Denhams well thought out comment. issacchunt
  • Score: 6

11:25am Sat 3 May 14

mickey01 says...

cliffwalker wrote:
Unfortunately to call UKIP racist makes it attractive to some voters who might otherwise consider voting for one of the major parties.
Many voters make their decisions on the flimsiest of evidence but based on strong feelings about the general tone of the parties. Further, many of us are easily swayed by xenophobic rhetoric even when we know it's unfounded and unworthy.
Denham is absolutely right to emphasize issues like employment rights, public services and the NHS which can be perverted by some to a discussion of immigration which has little to do with the real problems.
i just want my effin country back thank you and if voting ukip is the way to make the euro puppets in Westminster wake up then they get my vote everytime ,immigration is the REAL problem
[quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately to call UKIP racist makes it attractive to some voters who might otherwise consider voting for one of the major parties. Many voters make their decisions on the flimsiest of evidence but based on strong feelings about the general tone of the parties. Further, many of us are easily swayed by xenophobic rhetoric even when we know it's unfounded and unworthy. Denham is absolutely right to emphasize issues like employment rights, public services and the NHS which can be perverted by some to a discussion of immigration which has little to do with the real problems.[/p][/quote]i just want my effin country back thank you and if voting ukip is the way to make the euro puppets in Westminster wake up then they get my vote everytime ,immigration is the REAL problem mickey01
  • Score: 3

12:14pm Sat 3 May 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

He may be politically Dodgy but John Denham knows what he is talking about, so his advice to the Thatcherised NuLabour which has betrayed virtually every Labour value is absolutely right.

Because John has been in the party for a long time, he is fully aware that not only in NuLabour but even old Labour and also in British trade union movement there is no shortage of racists and on the issue of race record of these bodies stinks.

I spent 35 years of my life in Labour Party, which I eventually left in 1996 to stay a socialist. Even when I was in the Labour Party I'd often said that if race was the only issue I would't be member of Labour.

It was either in 1979 or 80 when as Chairman of another body I wrote a report in which I said that when it comes to the issue of racevboth Labour and Tory parties are racing each other to be more racist. That had upset all the fake socialist and colonial minded people within the Labour Party so much that inside the Party I was made to suffer like hell. I can say lots about my own bad experience within the Labour Party, but mine were not unique.

On the single issue of race record of all the so called lefty parties or groups is disgraceful and full of hypocrisy.

Limit of my tolerance to stay comparatively quite, while trying to deal with the problem within the Labour Party ended when I got fed up with what the Party was doing to its own many other so called ethnic minority members around whole of Britain. So along with close friend of mine in Leicester we decided to go public in the national media, only to find out that problem of racism within the party was much greater than even I and Paul Sood had realised.

But because we were only working class without resource to secure the services of spin doctors, the Party increased its intimidation and managed to kill our campaign by letting their spin doctors and attack dogs lose after us.

Both Labour and NuLabour operate on the basis of failed policies of British Empire, it is all about 'divide and rule' and controlling the so called minority communities through their puppets, whom likes of Denham call 'community leaders'.

It is very similar to how British Raj controlled India and Africa. In India they created Raja and Maharajas and in Africa the Chiefs; by keeping them happy by providing them opportunity to kiss the backside of British rulers the Empire through them kept on sucking the blood of ordinary people.

That evil system fell apart, when likes of Mahatama Gandhi started educating the people to ignore the Raja and Maharajas who were de facto pimps of the Empire, and demand equal rights for all members of the same human race and stop divisions on the basis of casts race or religions. That eventually contributed towards the end of one of world's greatest imperialist power.

But rather than learning from past mistakes most of the British establishment is still trying to implement same failed policies in UK itself.

In that field the NuLabour and most of the so called left is by far the biggest culprit than even the Tories.

With my experience I can only feel that John Denham's own record in this regard is full of much bigger hypocrisies than even his own Party's shocking record, which is more than full of shame on the issue of race.

Because now some within the UKIP have started pointing towards NuLabour's own warehouse full with Skeltons of shame, clever Denham has started advising his followers to protect themselves and their party from exposure to truth.

We the people should collectively realise that on this planet Earth there is only one race, which is human race, and us in UK should face the fact that there are many more bigger issues than the problem of race, which is exploited by certain people in all political parties for distracting us from problems of education, health care, housing and increasing gap between super rich and people at the bottom of economic heap who keep on sinking into accute poverty and becoming dependent on the food banks.

Us the people should stop blind loyalties to political parties and face the fact that there are both good and bad people in all parties, (apart from in fascist organisations which have only the most evil lot) So we should start supporting and voting on the basis of credibility and reliability of indvidual candidate based on his/her record.

Sadly that is not possible in elections for MEPs, because voters are only provided with slates by political parties. (another reason for my dislike of EU).

But us the voters have the choice to vote for indvidual candidate for Council and Parliamentary elections. Personally I will be exercising that choice in Coxford
He may be politically Dodgy but John Denham knows what he is talking about, so his advice to the Thatcherised NuLabour which has betrayed virtually every Labour value is absolutely right. Because John has been in the party for a long time, he is fully aware that not only in NuLabour but even old Labour and also in British trade union movement there is no shortage of racists and on the issue of race record of these bodies stinks. I spent 35 years of my life in Labour Party, which I eventually left in 1996 to stay a socialist. Even when I was in the Labour Party I'd often said that if race was the only issue I would't be member of Labour. It was either in 1979 or 80 when as Chairman of another body I wrote a report in which I said that when it comes to the issue of racevboth Labour and Tory parties are racing each other to be more racist. That had upset all the fake socialist and colonial minded people within the Labour Party so much that inside the Party I was made to suffer like hell. I can say lots about my own bad experience within the Labour Party, but mine were not unique. On the single issue of race record of all the so called lefty parties or groups is disgraceful and full of hypocrisy. Limit of my tolerance to stay comparatively quite, while trying to deal with the problem within the Labour Party ended when I got fed up with what the Party was doing to its own many other so called ethnic minority members around whole of Britain. So along with close friend of mine in Leicester we decided to go public in the national media, only to find out that problem of racism within the party was much greater than even I and Paul Sood had realised. But because we were only working class without resource to secure the services of spin doctors, the Party increased its intimidation and managed to kill our campaign by letting their spin doctors and attack dogs lose after us. Both Labour and NuLabour operate on the basis of failed policies of British Empire, it is all about 'divide and rule' and controlling the so called minority communities through their puppets, whom likes of Denham call 'community leaders'. It is very similar to how British Raj controlled India and Africa. In India they created Raja and Maharajas and in Africa the Chiefs; by keeping them happy by providing them opportunity to kiss the backside of British rulers the Empire through them kept on sucking the blood of ordinary people. That evil system fell apart, when likes of Mahatama Gandhi started educating the people to ignore the Raja and Maharajas who were de facto pimps of the Empire, and demand equal rights for all members of the same human race and stop divisions on the basis of casts race or religions. That eventually contributed towards the end of one of world's greatest imperialist power. But rather than learning from past mistakes most of the British establishment is still trying to implement same failed policies in UK itself. In that field the NuLabour and most of the so called left is by far the biggest culprit than even the Tories. With my experience I can only feel that John Denham's own record in this regard is full of much bigger hypocrisies than even his own Party's shocking record, which is more than full of shame on the issue of race. Because now some within the UKIP have started pointing towards NuLabour's own warehouse full with Skeltons of shame, clever Denham has started advising his followers to protect themselves and their party from exposure to truth. We the people should collectively realise that on this planet Earth there is only one race, which is human race, and us in UK should face the fact that there are many more bigger issues than the problem of race, which is exploited by certain people in all political parties for distracting us from problems of education, health care, housing and increasing gap between super rich and people at the bottom of economic heap who keep on sinking into accute poverty and becoming dependent on the food banks. Us the people should stop blind loyalties to political parties and face the fact that there are both good and bad people in all parties, (apart from in fascist organisations which have only the most evil lot) So we should start supporting and voting on the basis of credibility and reliability of indvidual candidate based on his/her record. Sadly that is not possible in elections for MEPs, because voters are only provided with slates by political parties. (another reason for my dislike of EU). But us the voters have the choice to vote for indvidual candidate for Council and Parliamentary elections. Personally I will be exercising that choice in Coxford Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -3

12:18pm Sat 3 May 14

skeptik says...

This what the socialists did for the people is in contravention of the trades description act. 1911 the Liberal party - National Insurance Act, pensions, sick pay, the 9d for 4d health act - see a panel doctor and medicines free (with national insurance contributions) and much more. The parliament act - in simple terms stopping the wealthy unelected lords vetoing - free health care.
This what the socialists did for the people is in contravention of the trades description act. 1911 the Liberal party - National Insurance Act, pensions, sick pay, the 9d for 4d health act - see a panel doctor and medicines free (with national insurance contributions) and much more. The parliament act - in simple terms stopping the wealthy unelected lords vetoing - free health care. skeptik
  • Score: 4

1:15pm Sat 3 May 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
IanUnite wrote:
loosehead wrote:
UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights?
After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system.
Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another.
How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?
Yes they have said they will take away workers rights on working hours, holidays (legal right brought in by EU), Maternity leave.

I agree with John Denham. I wouldn't brand UKIP as outwardly racist. I would brand a lot of their individual members as prejudiced against foreigners though. And a lot of their individual members have on a regular basis come out with opinions which are racist (lenny henry comment) Anti gay ( bad weather caused by gay marraige) and anti trade union. UKIP in my view are the old Thatcherite wing of the Tory party. They are obsessed with the EU, Immigration and are anti Trade Union.
Nicely put Ian, But Labour have abandon the workers and the Unions but they still want the Workers votes and the Unions money but what have they done for these people when last in office nothing they just carried on with Thatchers policy, Your never going to win back Labour they are a lost cause.
And if you think Milliband is going to be any different well they are not its just sound bites coming from them and when they are back in office next year they will just implement more Thatcherite,s policy of selling up things like NHS, I still not forgotten the bits that they sold last time in office or giving part of what was RM to the private sector
If only the thorny issue of allowing the electorate to select the government could be got round, it would make life so much easier for you. Before you go off on a tangent and say that no-one voted for the current coalition, no-one voted for a Liberal-Labour coalition either but Gordon Brown couldn't persuade the Liberals to help him form a government.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights? After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system. Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another. How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?[/p][/quote]Yes they have said they will take away workers rights on working hours, holidays (legal right brought in by EU), Maternity leave. I agree with John Denham. I wouldn't brand UKIP as outwardly racist. I would brand a lot of their individual members as prejudiced against foreigners though. And a lot of their individual members have on a regular basis come out with opinions which are racist (lenny henry comment) Anti gay ( bad weather caused by gay marraige) and anti trade union. UKIP in my view are the old Thatcherite wing of the Tory party. They are obsessed with the EU, Immigration and are anti Trade Union.[/p][/quote]Nicely put Ian, But Labour have abandon the workers and the Unions but they still want the Workers votes and the Unions money but what have they done for these people when last in office nothing they just carried on with Thatchers policy, Your never going to win back Labour they are a lost cause. And if you think Milliband is going to be any different well they are not its just sound bites coming from them and when they are back in office next year they will just implement more Thatcherite,s policy of selling up things like NHS, I still not forgotten the bits that they sold last time in office or giving part of what was RM to the private sector[/p][/quote]If only the thorny issue of allowing the electorate to select the government could be got round, it would make life so much easier for you. Before you go off on a tangent and say that no-one voted for the current coalition, no-one voted for a Liberal-Labour coalition either but Gordon Brown couldn't persuade the Liberals to help him form a government. Torchie1
  • Score: 1

1:24pm Sat 3 May 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
IanUnite wrote:
loosehead wrote:
UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights?
After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system.
Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another.
How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?
Yes they have said they will take away workers rights on working hours, holidays (legal right brought in by EU), Maternity leave.

I agree with John Denham. I wouldn't brand UKIP as outwardly racist. I would brand a lot of their individual members as prejudiced against foreigners though. And a lot of their individual members have on a regular basis come out with opinions which are racist (lenny henry comment) Anti gay ( bad weather caused by gay marraige) and anti trade union. UKIP in my view are the old Thatcherite wing of the Tory party. They are obsessed with the EU, Immigration and are anti Trade Union.
Nicely put Ian, But Labour have abandon the workers and the Unions but they still want the Workers votes and the Unions money but what have they done for these people when last in office nothing they just carried on with Thatchers policy, Your never going to win back Labour they are a lost cause.
And if you think Milliband is going to be any different well they are not its just sound bites coming from them and when they are back in office next year they will just implement more Thatcherite,s policy of selling up things like NHS, I still not forgotten the bits that they sold last time in office or giving part of what was RM to the private sector
If only the thorny issue of allowing the electorate to select the government could be got round, it would make life so much easier for you. Before you go off on a tangent and say that no-one voted for the current coalition, no-one voted for a Liberal-Labour coalition either but Gordon Brown couldn't persuade the Liberals to help him form a government.
But the Labour/Lib Governments of the pass did not change the rules to help them stay in power now did they
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights? After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system. Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another. How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?[/p][/quote]Yes they have said they will take away workers rights on working hours, holidays (legal right brought in by EU), Maternity leave. I agree with John Denham. I wouldn't brand UKIP as outwardly racist. I would brand a lot of their individual members as prejudiced against foreigners though. And a lot of their individual members have on a regular basis come out with opinions which are racist (lenny henry comment) Anti gay ( bad weather caused by gay marraige) and anti trade union. UKIP in my view are the old Thatcherite wing of the Tory party. They are obsessed with the EU, Immigration and are anti Trade Union.[/p][/quote]Nicely put Ian, But Labour have abandon the workers and the Unions but they still want the Workers votes and the Unions money but what have they done for these people when last in office nothing they just carried on with Thatchers policy, Your never going to win back Labour they are a lost cause. And if you think Milliband is going to be any different well they are not its just sound bites coming from them and when they are back in office next year they will just implement more Thatcherite,s policy of selling up things like NHS, I still not forgotten the bits that they sold last time in office or giving part of what was RM to the private sector[/p][/quote]If only the thorny issue of allowing the electorate to select the government could be got round, it would make life so much easier for you. Before you go off on a tangent and say that no-one voted for the current coalition, no-one voted for a Liberal-Labour coalition either but Gordon Brown couldn't persuade the Liberals to help him form a government.[/p][/quote]But the Labour/Lib Governments of the pass did not change the rules to help them stay in power now did they southy
  • Score: 0

1:41pm Sat 3 May 14

skeptik says...

The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available. skeptik
  • Score: 3

3:09pm Sat 3 May 14

cliffwalker says...

skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life. cliffwalker
  • Score: 2

3:47pm Sat 3 May 14

bigal007 says...

One thing we are all forgetting we are British. And I want to stay that way don't you think we should take back what is ares and stay British not to be made to feel bad because. We are British get a back bone UKIP all the way it's time to take back
One thing we are all forgetting we are British. And I want to stay that way don't you think we should take back what is ares and stay British not to be made to feel bad because. We are British get a back bone UKIP all the way it's time to take back bigal007
  • Score: 3

3:47pm Sat 3 May 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
IanUnite wrote:
loosehead wrote:
UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights?
After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system.
Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another.
How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?
Yes they have said they will take away workers rights on working hours, holidays (legal right brought in by EU), Maternity leave.

I agree with John Denham. I wouldn't brand UKIP as outwardly racist. I would brand a lot of their individual members as prejudiced against foreigners though. And a lot of their individual members have on a regular basis come out with opinions which are racist (lenny henry comment) Anti gay ( bad weather caused by gay marraige) and anti trade union. UKIP in my view are the old Thatcherite wing of the Tory party. They are obsessed with the EU, Immigration and are anti Trade Union.
Nicely put Ian, But Labour have abandon the workers and the Unions but they still want the Workers votes and the Unions money but what have they done for these people when last in office nothing they just carried on with Thatchers policy, Your never going to win back Labour they are a lost cause.
And if you think Milliband is going to be any different well they are not its just sound bites coming from them and when they are back in office next year they will just implement more Thatcherite,s policy of selling up things like NHS, I still not forgotten the bits that they sold last time in office or giving part of what was RM to the private sector
If only the thorny issue of allowing the electorate to select the government could be got round, it would make life so much easier for you. Before you go off on a tangent and say that no-one voted for the current coalition, no-one voted for a Liberal-Labour coalition either but Gordon Brown couldn't persuade the Liberals to help him form a government.
But the Labour/Lib Governments of the pass did not change the rules to help them stay in power now did they
There are rules and guidelines to decide the outcome of all election situations which have been in place for years. If you believe some 'special' rules have been invented for nefarious reasons you will be able to explain your case quite easily but if someone is going to do this then the benefit can only be enjoyed for a fixed term of five years. Is there a single subject that you can't manage to twist to explain why no-one votes for socialism?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights? After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system. Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another. How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?[/p][/quote]Yes they have said they will take away workers rights on working hours, holidays (legal right brought in by EU), Maternity leave. I agree with John Denham. I wouldn't brand UKIP as outwardly racist. I would brand a lot of their individual members as prejudiced against foreigners though. And a lot of their individual members have on a regular basis come out with opinions which are racist (lenny henry comment) Anti gay ( bad weather caused by gay marraige) and anti trade union. UKIP in my view are the old Thatcherite wing of the Tory party. They are obsessed with the EU, Immigration and are anti Trade Union.[/p][/quote]Nicely put Ian, But Labour have abandon the workers and the Unions but they still want the Workers votes and the Unions money but what have they done for these people when last in office nothing they just carried on with Thatchers policy, Your never going to win back Labour they are a lost cause. And if you think Milliband is going to be any different well they are not its just sound bites coming from them and when they are back in office next year they will just implement more Thatcherite,s policy of selling up things like NHS, I still not forgotten the bits that they sold last time in office or giving part of what was RM to the private sector[/p][/quote]If only the thorny issue of allowing the electorate to select the government could be got round, it would make life so much easier for you. Before you go off on a tangent and say that no-one voted for the current coalition, no-one voted for a Liberal-Labour coalition either but Gordon Brown couldn't persuade the Liberals to help him form a government.[/p][/quote]But the Labour/Lib Governments of the pass did not change the rules to help them stay in power now did they[/p][/quote]There are rules and guidelines to decide the outcome of all election situations which have been in place for years. If you believe some 'special' rules have been invented for nefarious reasons you will be able to explain your case quite easily but if someone is going to do this then the benefit can only be enjoyed for a fixed term of five years. Is there a single subject that you can't manage to twist to explain why no-one votes for socialism? Torchie1
  • Score: 0

4:13pm Sat 3 May 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
IanUnite wrote:
loosehead wrote:
UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights?
After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system.
Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another.
How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?
Yes they have said they will take away workers rights on working hours, holidays (legal right brought in by EU), Maternity leave.

I agree with John Denham. I wouldn't brand UKIP as outwardly racist. I would brand a lot of their individual members as prejudiced against foreigners though. And a lot of their individual members have on a regular basis come out with opinions which are racist (lenny henry comment) Anti gay ( bad weather caused by gay marraige) and anti trade union. UKIP in my view are the old Thatcherite wing of the Tory party. They are obsessed with the EU, Immigration and are anti Trade Union.
Nicely put Ian, But Labour have abandon the workers and the Unions but they still want the Workers votes and the Unions money but what have they done for these people when last in office nothing they just carried on with Thatchers policy, Your never going to win back Labour they are a lost cause.
And if you think Milliband is going to be any different well they are not its just sound bites coming from them and when they are back in office next year they will just implement more Thatcherite,s policy of selling up things like NHS, I still not forgotten the bits that they sold last time in office or giving part of what was RM to the private sector
If only the thorny issue of allowing the electorate to select the government could be got round, it would make life so much easier for you. Before you go off on a tangent and say that no-one voted for the current coalition, no-one voted for a Liberal-Labour coalition either but Gordon Brown couldn't persuade the Liberals to help him form a government.
But the Labour/Lib Governments of the pass did not change the rules to help them stay in power now did they
There are rules and guidelines to decide the outcome of all election situations which have been in place for years. If you believe some 'special' rules have been invented for nefarious reasons you will be able to explain your case quite easily but if someone is going to do this then the benefit can only be enjoyed for a fixed term of five years. Is there a single subject that you can't manage to twist to explain why no-one votes for socialism?
and the Torys seem to change the rules all the time to their favour, reason why few vote socialism is because they are not brainwashed.
Just look what the Americans was doing in the 60's that was meant of stop in 1970 but as not it as gone global.
Check out MKUltra documents release CIA files and how they was brainwashing a whole generation and now that generation is brainwashing the next generation and the next and then.
And would explain a lot why they want control of of the Internet and put in the hands of Murdoch.
Thatcher put a deposit on people standing in General Elections why to reduce the choice that people could have.
Cameron change the rules on how many MP's votes was needed to force a government out of office in a vote of no confidence.
these are not new rules these are rules design to keep 1 system in place and not be able to change it.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights? After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system. Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another. How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?[/p][/quote]Yes they have said they will take away workers rights on working hours, holidays (legal right brought in by EU), Maternity leave. I agree with John Denham. I wouldn't brand UKIP as outwardly racist. I would brand a lot of their individual members as prejudiced against foreigners though. And a lot of their individual members have on a regular basis come out with opinions which are racist (lenny henry comment) Anti gay ( bad weather caused by gay marraige) and anti trade union. UKIP in my view are the old Thatcherite wing of the Tory party. They are obsessed with the EU, Immigration and are anti Trade Union.[/p][/quote]Nicely put Ian, But Labour have abandon the workers and the Unions but they still want the Workers votes and the Unions money but what have they done for these people when last in office nothing they just carried on with Thatchers policy, Your never going to win back Labour they are a lost cause. And if you think Milliband is going to be any different well they are not its just sound bites coming from them and when they are back in office next year they will just implement more Thatcherite,s policy of selling up things like NHS, I still not forgotten the bits that they sold last time in office or giving part of what was RM to the private sector[/p][/quote]If only the thorny issue of allowing the electorate to select the government could be got round, it would make life so much easier for you. Before you go off on a tangent and say that no-one voted for the current coalition, no-one voted for a Liberal-Labour coalition either but Gordon Brown couldn't persuade the Liberals to help him form a government.[/p][/quote]But the Labour/Lib Governments of the pass did not change the rules to help them stay in power now did they[/p][/quote]There are rules and guidelines to decide the outcome of all election situations which have been in place for years. If you believe some 'special' rules have been invented for nefarious reasons you will be able to explain your case quite easily but if someone is going to do this then the benefit can only be enjoyed for a fixed term of five years. Is there a single subject that you can't manage to twist to explain why no-one votes for socialism?[/p][/quote]and the Torys seem to change the rules all the time to their favour, reason why few vote socialism is because they are not brainwashed. Just look what the Americans was doing in the 60's that was meant of stop in 1970 but as not it as gone global. Check out MKUltra documents release CIA files and how they was brainwashing a whole generation and now that generation is brainwashing the next generation and the next and then. And would explain a lot why they want control of of the Internet and put in the hands of Murdoch. Thatcher put a deposit on people standing in General Elections why to reduce the choice that people could have. Cameron change the rules on how many MP's votes was needed to force a government out of office in a vote of no confidence. these are not new rules these are rules design to keep 1 system in place and not be able to change it. southy
  • Score: -6

5:39pm Sat 3 May 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
IanUnite wrote:
loosehead wrote:
UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights?
After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system.
Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another.
How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?
Yes they have said they will take away workers rights on working hours, holidays (legal right brought in by EU), Maternity leave.

I agree with John Denham. I wouldn't brand UKIP as outwardly racist. I would brand a lot of their individual members as prejudiced against foreigners though. And a lot of their individual members have on a regular basis come out with opinions which are racist (lenny henry comment) Anti gay ( bad weather caused by gay marraige) and anti trade union. UKIP in my view are the old Thatcherite wing of the Tory party. They are obsessed with the EU, Immigration and are anti Trade Union.
Nicely put Ian, But Labour have abandon the workers and the Unions but they still want the Workers votes and the Unions money but what have they done for these people when last in office nothing they just carried on with Thatchers policy, Your never going to win back Labour they are a lost cause.
And if you think Milliband is going to be any different well they are not its just sound bites coming from them and when they are back in office next year they will just implement more Thatcherite,s policy of selling up things like NHS, I still not forgotten the bits that they sold last time in office or giving part of what was RM to the private sector
If only the thorny issue of allowing the electorate to select the government could be got round, it would make life so much easier for you. Before you go off on a tangent and say that no-one voted for the current coalition, no-one voted for a Liberal-Labour coalition either but Gordon Brown couldn't persuade the Liberals to help him form a government.
But the Labour/Lib Governments of the pass did not change the rules to help them stay in power now did they
There are rules and guidelines to decide the outcome of all election situations which have been in place for years. If you believe some 'special' rules have been invented for nefarious reasons you will be able to explain your case quite easily but if someone is going to do this then the benefit can only be enjoyed for a fixed term of five years. Is there a single subject that you can't manage to twist to explain why no-one votes for socialism?
and the Torys seem to change the rules all the time to their favour, reason why few vote socialism is because they are not brainwashed.
Just look what the Americans was doing in the 60's that was meant of stop in 1970 but as not it as gone global.
Check out MKUltra documents release CIA files and how they was brainwashing a whole generation and now that generation is brainwashing the next generation and the next and then.
And would explain a lot why they want control of of the Internet and put in the hands of Murdoch.
Thatcher put a deposit on people standing in General Elections why to reduce the choice that people could have.
Cameron change the rules on how many MP's votes was needed to force a government out of office in a vote of no confidence.
these are not new rules these are rules design to keep 1 system in place and not be able to change it.
"I can't get anyone to vote for socialism so I'll invent all sorts of reasons to explain how the people aren't allowed to but somehow they do vote in favour of systems I want to tear down". If it helps you deal with the world, who am I to spoil the illusion.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights? After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system. Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another. How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?[/p][/quote]Yes they have said they will take away workers rights on working hours, holidays (legal right brought in by EU), Maternity leave. I agree with John Denham. I wouldn't brand UKIP as outwardly racist. I would brand a lot of their individual members as prejudiced against foreigners though. And a lot of their individual members have on a regular basis come out with opinions which are racist (lenny henry comment) Anti gay ( bad weather caused by gay marraige) and anti trade union. UKIP in my view are the old Thatcherite wing of the Tory party. They are obsessed with the EU, Immigration and are anti Trade Union.[/p][/quote]Nicely put Ian, But Labour have abandon the workers and the Unions but they still want the Workers votes and the Unions money but what have they done for these people when last in office nothing they just carried on with Thatchers policy, Your never going to win back Labour they are a lost cause. And if you think Milliband is going to be any different well they are not its just sound bites coming from them and when they are back in office next year they will just implement more Thatcherite,s policy of selling up things like NHS, I still not forgotten the bits that they sold last time in office or giving part of what was RM to the private sector[/p][/quote]If only the thorny issue of allowing the electorate to select the government could be got round, it would make life so much easier for you. Before you go off on a tangent and say that no-one voted for the current coalition, no-one voted for a Liberal-Labour coalition either but Gordon Brown couldn't persuade the Liberals to help him form a government.[/p][/quote]But the Labour/Lib Governments of the pass did not change the rules to help them stay in power now did they[/p][/quote]There are rules and guidelines to decide the outcome of all election situations which have been in place for years. If you believe some 'special' rules have been invented for nefarious reasons you will be able to explain your case quite easily but if someone is going to do this then the benefit can only be enjoyed for a fixed term of five years. Is there a single subject that you can't manage to twist to explain why no-one votes for socialism?[/p][/quote]and the Torys seem to change the rules all the time to their favour, reason why few vote socialism is because they are not brainwashed. Just look what the Americans was doing in the 60's that was meant of stop in 1970 but as not it as gone global. Check out MKUltra documents release CIA files and how they was brainwashing a whole generation and now that generation is brainwashing the next generation and the next and then. And would explain a lot why they want control of of the Internet and put in the hands of Murdoch. Thatcher put a deposit on people standing in General Elections why to reduce the choice that people could have. Cameron change the rules on how many MP's votes was needed to force a government out of office in a vote of no confidence. these are not new rules these are rules design to keep 1 system in place and not be able to change it.[/p][/quote]"I can't get anyone to vote for socialism so I'll invent all sorts of reasons to explain how the people aren't allowed to but somehow they do vote in favour of systems I want to tear down". If it helps you deal with the world, who am I to spoil the illusion. Torchie1
  • Score: 1

5:42pm Sat 3 May 14

mickey01 says...

the one thing nigel farage and his party have done is shown a backbone and bring immigration to the table which the other yellow bellied parties have failed to do and for that reason he has my vote
the one thing nigel farage and his party have done is shown a backbone and bring immigration to the table which the other yellow bellied parties have failed to do and for that reason he has my vote mickey01
  • Score: 10

5:46pm Sat 3 May 14

southy says...

Not in venting at all you just don't like it pointed out to you that the Tory,s will cheat the system to get into power and stay in power.
It all facts that I stated and can easy be check on.
Not in venting at all you just don't like it pointed out to you that the Tory,s will cheat the system to get into power and stay in power. It all facts that I stated and can easy be check on. southy
  • Score: 1

6:07pm Sat 3 May 14

Peter.Smith says...

loosehead wrote:
UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights?
After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system.
Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another.
How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?
Yes they did say they would take away workers rights. They plan to ban maternity leave, ban the minimum wage, allow people to be sacked at will and make us all pay 35 - 40% tax.

It's all in last year's manifesto which you clearly haven't read. Yet again another UKIP supporter who has no idea what they are supporting.

As long as Nigel and his beer drinking, fag smoking mates say whatever you want to hear they will have your vote....
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights? After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system. Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another. How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?[/p][/quote]Yes they did say they would take away workers rights. They plan to ban maternity leave, ban the minimum wage, allow people to be sacked at will and make us all pay 35 - 40% tax. It's all in last year's manifesto which you clearly haven't read. Yet again another UKIP supporter who has no idea what they are supporting. As long as Nigel and his beer drinking, fag smoking mates say whatever you want to hear they will have your vote.... Peter.Smith
  • Score: 6

6:07pm Sat 3 May 14

Peter.Smith says...

loosehead wrote:
UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights?
After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system.
Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another.
How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?
Yes they did say they would take away workers rights. They plan to ban maternity leave, ban the minimum wage, allow people to be sacked at will and make us all pay 35 - 40% tax.

It's all in last year's manifesto which you clearly haven't read. Yet again another UKIP supporter who has no idea what they are supporting.

As long as Nigel and his beer drinking, fag smoking mates say whatever you want to hear they will have your vote....
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights? After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system. Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another. How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?[/p][/quote]Yes they did say they would take away workers rights. They plan to ban maternity leave, ban the minimum wage, allow people to be sacked at will and make us all pay 35 - 40% tax. It's all in last year's manifesto which you clearly haven't read. Yet again another UKIP supporter who has no idea what they are supporting. As long as Nigel and his beer drinking, fag smoking mates say whatever you want to hear they will have your vote.... Peter.Smith
  • Score: 4

8:42pm Sat 3 May 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights?
After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system.
Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another.
How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?
A lot of workers rights are protected by the Human Rights Act.

Redundancy and unfair dismissal have all been covered in the Human Rights Act to protect the worker.

Do you really think that you got such good redundancy terms, just because BAT thought you were a nice bloke and deserved it?

There were rules that they had to follow, and they were part of the Human Rights Act.

Is that Act perfect?

Of course it is not. It was drawn up by humans, and humans are not perfect, so of course there are bits that are bad and need amending, but that does not mean that the whole lot should be scrapped.
No because BAT like a few other companies realised if you pay well & set up a good pension scheme you'll keep staff longer & if they're as good as the BAT workers were you would be crazy to lose them.
But this reply from you was because I brought up the fact that you & other Labour supporters bang on for what the Unions did for us & Labour did for us back in the 50'-60's not how they're putting jobs at risk now.
The only reason I mentioned your beloved Labour Party is because people are insulting UKIP supporters foe looking back & that's exactly what you do isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights? After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system. Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another. How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?[/p][/quote]A lot of workers rights are protected by the Human Rights Act. Redundancy and unfair dismissal have all been covered in the Human Rights Act to protect the worker. Do you really think that you got such good redundancy terms, just because BAT thought you were a nice bloke and deserved it? There were rules that they had to follow, and they were part of the Human Rights Act. Is that Act perfect? Of course it is not. It was drawn up by humans, and humans are not perfect, so of course there are bits that are bad and need amending, but that does not mean that the whole lot should be scrapped.[/p][/quote]No because BAT like a few other companies realised if you pay well & set up a good pension scheme you'll keep staff longer & if they're as good as the BAT workers were you would be crazy to lose them. But this reply from you was because I brought up the fact that you & other Labour supporters bang on for what the Unions did for us & Labour did for us back in the 50'-60's not how they're putting jobs at risk now. The only reason I mentioned your beloved Labour Party is because people are insulting UKIP supporters foe looking back & that's exactly what you do isn't it? loosehead
  • Score: 2

8:48pm Sat 3 May 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
bogart259 wrote:
But UKIP are a bunch of racists - can't see a problem with that statement
His idea is that if the Labour party *pretend* to take the neanderthals seriously, people are less likely to vote against Labour.
.. please, please don't insult Neanderthals by associating them with UKIP.

They were a very successful species for 10's of thousands of years and if they were still around today would be shocked by you associating them with these real thoughtless primitives that call themselves UKIP
So wait a minute they think yes THINK differently than you do so you call them thoughtless primitives?
So your only answer to UKIP is insults? who's the thoughtless primitive?
We have Socialists harking on about what Labour have done for us the working people ion the past are Labour/Union supporters all thoughtless primitives as well?
That's rich coming from you.

You often hurl insults at posters who get you boxed into a corner, pointing out the errors and falsehoods in your comments.

You have been lucky to have had better educational opportunities, thanks to the improvements made to the system under the post-war Labour Government.

You are too young to have worked during the time when the 48 hour week/five and a half day week was the norm.

When there was no Bank Holiday on New Year's day or a May Day Bank holiday.

You were never in a position where you saw your parents check the pockets and lining in old coats to see whether there was enough money to make a visit to the GP, because a Labour Government had brought in the NHS.

The improvements in pay and conditions at work, health and safety etc. have not come about thanks to the benevolence of perfect, humanitarian employers, but by the efforts of Unions and their officials, that you can never say a good word about.

Your ignorance of what Labour and the Unions have done for working people in the past is shocking.
See again you're saying Lies aren't you!
My dad worked every hour bought things for the house then when he was imprisoned my mother had to sell everything & had to take out HP on most things.
We (the children) had to go Guy Fawksing,Carol Singing & do paper rounds,Log rounds & milk rounds to give money to buy food & pay for the electric.
We had a coal fire in the lounge & no where else which was converted by the council to a gas fire no central heating.
We had a black & white TV set for the whole family & depended on church donations for clothes so please don't tell me about the old days & then at the same time bang on about food banks now.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogart259[/bold] wrote: But UKIP are a bunch of racists - can't see a problem with that statement[/p][/quote]His idea is that if the Labour party *pretend* to take the neanderthals seriously, people are less likely to vote against Labour.[/p][/quote].. please, please don't insult Neanderthals by associating them with UKIP. They were a very successful species for 10's of thousands of years and if they were still around today would be shocked by you associating them with these real thoughtless primitives that call themselves UKIP[/p][/quote]So wait a minute they think yes THINK differently than you do so you call them thoughtless primitives? So your only answer to UKIP is insults? who's the thoughtless primitive? We have Socialists harking on about what Labour have done for us the working people ion the past are Labour/Union supporters all thoughtless primitives as well?[/p][/quote]That's rich coming from you. You often hurl insults at posters who get you boxed into a corner, pointing out the errors and falsehoods in your comments. You have been lucky to have had better educational opportunities, thanks to the improvements made to the system under the post-war Labour Government. You are too young to have worked during the time when the 48 hour week/five and a half day week was the norm. When there was no Bank Holiday on New Year's day or a May Day Bank holiday. You were never in a position where you saw your parents check the pockets and lining in old coats to see whether there was enough money to make a visit to the GP, because a Labour Government had brought in the NHS. The improvements in pay and conditions at work, health and safety etc. have not come about thanks to the benevolence of perfect, humanitarian employers, but by the efforts of Unions and their officials, that you can never say a good word about. Your ignorance of what Labour and the Unions have done for working people in the past is shocking.[/p][/quote]See again you're saying Lies aren't you! My dad worked every hour bought things for the house then when he was imprisoned my mother had to sell everything & had to take out HP on most things. We (the children) had to go Guy Fawksing,Carol Singing & do paper rounds,Log rounds & milk rounds to give money to buy food & pay for the electric. We had a coal fire in the lounge & no where else which was converted by the council to a gas fire no central heating. We had a black & white TV set for the whole family & depended on church donations for clothes so please don't tell me about the old days & then at the same time bang on about food banks now. loosehead
  • Score: -1

8:56pm Sat 3 May 14

loosehead says...

Peter.Smith wrote:
loosehead wrote:
UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights?
After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system.
Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another.
How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?
Yes they did say they would take away workers rights. They plan to ban maternity leave, ban the minimum wage, allow people to be sacked at will and make us all pay 35 - 40% tax.

It's all in last year's manifesto which you clearly haven't read. Yet again another UKIP supporter who has no idea what they are supporting.

As long as Nigel and his beer drinking, fag smoking mates say whatever you want to hear they will have your vote....
Actually if you read their manifesto correctly the figure of tax is Tax & NI payments together,
So if you no longer pay NI you get a lower tax level or didn't you want to post that information?
Reading the attacks on UKIP by Socialists & Liberals is amazing as these parties have cheered about how UKIP are taking away Tory voters.
I guess the table's now turned & UKIP's taking Labour votes & the Liberal Party is sinking into oblivion.
[quote][p][bold]Peter.Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: UKIP has said they'll pull out of the Human Rights act/court but have they said they'll take away workers rights? After the debacle of Abu Hamza & being told not asked but told to give prisoners the vote & allowing scum who've killed & are in prison to sue because their human rights were breached I for one will be glad to get out of that system. Once again Denham saying one thing local Labour party members saying another. How many times have Labour Party members branded UKIP racist on this web site?[/p][/quote]Yes they did say they would take away workers rights. They plan to ban maternity leave, ban the minimum wage, allow people to be sacked at will and make us all pay 35 - 40% tax. It's all in last year's manifesto which you clearly haven't read. Yet again another UKIP supporter who has no idea what they are supporting. As long as Nigel and his beer drinking, fag smoking mates say whatever you want to hear they will have your vote....[/p][/quote]Actually if you read their manifesto correctly the figure of tax is Tax & NI payments together, So if you no longer pay NI you get a lower tax level or didn't you want to post that information? Reading the attacks on UKIP by Socialists & Liberals is amazing as these parties have cheered about how UKIP are taking away Tory voters. I guess the table's now turned & UKIP's taking Labour votes & the Liberal Party is sinking into oblivion. loosehead
  • Score: 2

10:26pm Sat 3 May 14

derek james says...

if you're going to call ukip racist then you might as well call the labour party the home of paedophiles, there's more evidence
if you're going to call ukip racist then you might as well call the labour party the home of paedophiles, there's more evidence derek james
  • Score: 0

11:52pm Sat 3 May 14

cameodel says...

good-gosh wrote:
Can we put off leaving Europe until we have a few hundred more warships, just in case our now friendly foes fancy another punch up when the treaties are torn up?
We cant afford another hundred more warships & if it wasn't for our political elite running down our armed services we wouldn't need them, our biggest concern should be our dependency on power from Russia, which has been brought about by our stupid rush towards green targets when our potential enemies have been building up their forces whilst our political elite tell us how being in the EU saves us from wars....God help us from these idiots & the people who follow them, we've been left at the mercy of Putin by our stupid liberal Chamberlain's, when the lights go out wait for the next step!
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Can we put off leaving Europe until we have a few hundred more warships, just in case our now friendly foes fancy another punch up when the treaties are torn up?[/p][/quote]We cant afford another hundred more warships & if it wasn't for our political elite running down our armed services we wouldn't need them, our biggest concern should be our dependency on power from Russia, which has been brought about by our stupid rush towards green targets when our potential enemies have been building up their forces whilst our political elite tell us how being in the EU saves us from wars....God help us from these idiots & the people who follow them, we've been left at the mercy of Putin by our stupid liberal Chamberlain's, when the lights go out wait for the next step! cameodel
  • Score: -4

1:03am Sun 4 May 14

notableedingheart says...

bogart259 wrote:
But UKIP are a bunch of racists - can't see a problem with that statement
What bogart and all of the other lazy debaters confuse is racism with realism. Left leaning types are among the most judgemental groups on the planet and will invariably rush to the old "ism" words whenever they fear contrary logic is prevailing.
UKIP is no more racist than any other mainstream party and like those parties probably is not racist in any manner. What UKIP is however, is a massive and growing threat to the "luvvies from the left" and the financially and socially privileged from the right.
UKIP is simply and plainly the previously missing third party that appeals to the middle - the aspirational, responsible and hard toiling working and middle classes - because it addresses the concerns of the middle. Uncontrolled immigration is only one such concern and an entirely valid concern that is being manifested in many other western countries. The immigration concerns overseas and in the UK are startlingly similar - uncontrolled with minimal vetting to see if the immigrant body will integrate, be a productive, accepting and supportive member of the community, will contribute rather than simply consume resources and services including housing, medical and educational services. Note that these concerns have taken years to manifest themselves and follow many years of evidence based and anecdotal experiences and examples.
Left wing luvvies like bogart will never be able to accept such obvious logic so energy spent trying to convince the luvvies is wasted - best tactic is to expose them, ridicule them or just roll on and ignore them.
UKIP is the party that addresses and promises to meet the broad concerns of the vast majority of the electorate - that mass who provide the energy, stability and taxes that keep all western countries afloat and relatively prosperous.
Belately the UK is responding appropriately and introducing the middle ground party. Overseas have seen this movement for some years now, if not a 3rd party then a move to the middle by one or other mainstream party. Of course those parties overseas had the usual "isms" thrown at them by the increasingly irrelevant "luvvies" and to some extent by the right. However, the right soon realised that they had better embrace the movement or risk becoming irrelevant.
To the "luvvies" - this is the era of the middle parties and will remain so for many years. Get used to it or become even more irrelevant than you already are. Your time is the sun has gone.
[quote][p][bold]bogart259[/bold] wrote: But UKIP are a bunch of racists - can't see a problem with that statement[/p][/quote]What bogart and all of the other lazy debaters confuse is racism with realism. Left leaning types are among the most judgemental groups on the planet and will invariably rush to the old "ism" words whenever they fear contrary logic is prevailing. UKIP is no more racist than any other mainstream party and like those parties probably is not racist in any manner. What UKIP is however, is a massive and growing threat to the "luvvies from the left" and the financially and socially privileged from the right. UKIP is simply and plainly the previously missing third party that appeals to the middle - the aspirational, responsible and hard toiling working and middle classes - because it addresses the concerns of the middle. Uncontrolled immigration is only one such concern and an entirely valid concern that is being manifested in many other western countries. The immigration concerns overseas and in the UK are startlingly similar - uncontrolled with minimal vetting to see if the immigrant body will integrate, be a productive, accepting and supportive member of the community, will contribute rather than simply consume resources and services including housing, medical and educational services. Note that these concerns have taken years to manifest themselves and follow many years of evidence based and anecdotal experiences and examples. Left wing luvvies like bogart will never be able to accept such obvious logic so energy spent trying to convince the luvvies is wasted - best tactic is to expose them, ridicule them or just roll on and ignore them. UKIP is the party that addresses and promises to meet the broad concerns of the vast majority of the electorate - that mass who provide the energy, stability and taxes that keep all western countries afloat and relatively prosperous. Belately the UK is responding appropriately and introducing the middle ground party. Overseas have seen this movement for some years now, if not a 3rd party then a move to the middle by one or other mainstream party. Of course those parties overseas had the usual "isms" thrown at them by the increasingly irrelevant "luvvies" and to some extent by the right. However, the right soon realised that they had better embrace the movement or risk becoming irrelevant. To the "luvvies" - this is the era of the middle parties and will remain so for many years. Get used to it or become even more irrelevant than you already are. Your time is the sun has gone. notableedingheart
  • Score: 8

5:20am Sun 4 May 14

skeptik says...

Firstly - it will not be which party reduces well paid employment - technology is well on it's way to the unmanned office - some claim reductions of 36% in office staff across the nation by the end of the decade. Secondly - British, some areas of the British Isles can claim to contain more of an indigenous population - just. Would England be able to say that? Germanic, Scandinavian, Roman, Norman - many know the list - some might say this anti Europe stance is denying the ancestry of the 'English'.
Firstly - it will not be which party reduces well paid employment - technology is well on it's way to the unmanned office - some claim reductions of 36% in office staff across the nation by the end of the decade. Secondly - British, some areas of the British Isles can claim to contain more of an indigenous population - just. Would England be able to say that? Germanic, Scandinavian, Roman, Norman - many know the list - some might say this anti Europe stance is denying the ancestry of the 'English'. skeptik
  • Score: 2

5:31am Sun 4 May 14

skeptik says...

Things change - including debate. On the way to the biblical life span, it depresses somewhat when debate is reduced to 'idiots who vote for' or right wing this or left wing luvvies' - 'nobody votes for' well I never according to the returning officers after elections people did vote for! Sadly it appears that many base their heartfelt belief on headlines - when there is a wealth of documentation from many sources that can be checked on line. Hansard - or 'they work for you' verbatim from the house. Government ministries and external sources that we can check against. Never cease to be amazed - when checking headlines - from different papers how one fact can be distorted so many times to suit the preference of the reader. Personal abuse will never replace facts it is often used by those who have no facts to rely on.
Things change - including debate. On the way to the biblical life span, it depresses somewhat when debate is reduced to 'idiots who vote for' or right wing this or left wing luvvies' - 'nobody votes for' well I never according to the returning officers after elections people did vote for! Sadly it appears that many base their heartfelt belief on headlines - when there is a wealth of documentation from many sources that can be checked on line. Hansard - or 'they work for you' verbatim from the house. Government ministries and external sources that we can check against. Never cease to be amazed - when checking headlines - from different papers how one fact can be distorted so many times to suit the preference of the reader. Personal abuse will never replace facts it is often used by those who have no facts to rely on. skeptik
  • Score: 6

8:48am Sun 4 May 14

Charlie Bucket says...

Kirsty666 wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Kirsty666 wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Kirsty666 wrote:
UKIP have my vote all the way
We know. It's painfully obvious who the racists are on these boards.

Cue the usual "why's it racist to ?" rhetoric.
Did I state I'm racist? No I did not but I'd rather my vote go to waste on UKIP than voting Labour Lib Dems and Tories and if I was racist I'd vote BNP
Of course you didn't state it. I inferred it from your many racist posts.
Ooops didn't realise you were the only person in the UK allowed an opinion I think the rest of us DE commenters best keep quiet and allow Mr Charlie Bucket big head only comment!!
I'm fairly sure I didn't say anything about who was allowed an opinion. Learn to read please.
[quote][p][bold]Kirsty666[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kirsty666[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kirsty666[/bold] wrote: UKIP have my vote all the way[/p][/quote]We know. It's painfully obvious who the racists are on these boards. Cue the usual "why's it racist to ?" rhetoric.[/p][/quote]Did I state I'm racist? No I did not but I'd rather my vote go to waste on UKIP than voting Labour Lib Dems and Tories and if I was racist I'd vote BNP[/p][/quote]Of course you didn't state it. I inferred it from your many racist posts.[/p][/quote]Ooops didn't realise you were the only person in the UK allowed an opinion I think the rest of us DE commenters best keep quiet and allow Mr Charlie Bucket big head only comment!![/p][/quote]I'm fairly sure I didn't say anything about who was allowed an opinion. Learn to read please. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 0

9:56am Sun 4 May 14

Charlie Bucket says...

notableedingheart wrote:
bogart259 wrote:
But UKIP are a bunch of racists - can't see a problem with that statement
What bogart and all of the other lazy debaters confuse is racism with realism. Left leaning types are among the most judgemental groups on the planet and will invariably rush to the old "ism" words whenever they fear contrary logic is prevailing.
UKIP is no more racist than any other mainstream party and like those parties probably is not racist in any manner. What UKIP is however, is a massive and growing threat to the "luvvies from the left" and the financially and socially privileged from the right.
UKIP is simply and plainly the previously missing third party that appeals to the middle - the aspirational, responsible and hard toiling working and middle classes - because it addresses the concerns of the middle. Uncontrolled immigration is only one such concern and an entirely valid concern that is being manifested in many other western countries. The immigration concerns overseas and in the UK are startlingly similar - uncontrolled with minimal vetting to see if the immigrant body will integrate, be a productive, accepting and supportive member of the community, will contribute rather than simply consume resources and services including housing, medical and educational services. Note that these concerns have taken years to manifest themselves and follow many years of evidence based and anecdotal experiences and examples.
Left wing luvvies like bogart will never be able to accept such obvious logic so energy spent trying to convince the luvvies is wasted - best tactic is to expose them, ridicule them or just roll on and ignore them.
UKIP is the party that addresses and promises to meet the broad concerns of the vast majority of the electorate - that mass who provide the energy, stability and taxes that keep all western countries afloat and relatively prosperous.
Belately the UK is responding appropriately and introducing the middle ground party. Overseas have seen this movement for some years now, if not a 3rd party then a move to the middle by one or other mainstream party. Of course those parties overseas had the usual "isms" thrown at them by the increasingly irrelevant "luvvies" and to some extent by the right. However, the right soon realised that they had better embrace the movement or risk becoming irrelevant.
To the "luvvies" - this is the era of the middle parties and will remain so for many years. Get used to it or become even more irrelevant than you already are. Your time is the sun has gone.
You lost the right to accuse anyone of being judgemental in your first sentence and a half. The rest of your post is so riddled with logical fallacies I don't even know where to begin.
[quote][p][bold]notableedingheart[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogart259[/bold] wrote: But UKIP are a bunch of racists - can't see a problem with that statement[/p][/quote]What bogart and all of the other lazy debaters confuse is racism with realism. Left leaning types are among the most judgemental groups on the planet and will invariably rush to the old "ism" words whenever they fear contrary logic is prevailing. UKIP is no more racist than any other mainstream party and like those parties probably is not racist in any manner. What UKIP is however, is a massive and growing threat to the "luvvies from the left" and the financially and socially privileged from the right. UKIP is simply and plainly the previously missing third party that appeals to the middle - the aspirational, responsible and hard toiling working and middle classes - because it addresses the concerns of the middle. Uncontrolled immigration is only one such concern and an entirely valid concern that is being manifested in many other western countries. The immigration concerns overseas and in the UK are startlingly similar - uncontrolled with minimal vetting to see if the immigrant body will integrate, be a productive, accepting and supportive member of the community, will contribute rather than simply consume resources and services including housing, medical and educational services. Note that these concerns have taken years to manifest themselves and follow many years of evidence based and anecdotal experiences and examples. Left wing luvvies like bogart will never be able to accept such obvious logic so energy spent trying to convince the luvvies is wasted - best tactic is to expose them, ridicule them or just roll on and ignore them. UKIP is the party that addresses and promises to meet the broad concerns of the vast majority of the electorate - that mass who provide the energy, stability and taxes that keep all western countries afloat and relatively prosperous. Belately the UK is responding appropriately and introducing the middle ground party. Overseas have seen this movement for some years now, if not a 3rd party then a move to the middle by one or other mainstream party. Of course those parties overseas had the usual "isms" thrown at them by the increasingly irrelevant "luvvies" and to some extent by the right. However, the right soon realised that they had better embrace the movement or risk becoming irrelevant. To the "luvvies" - this is the era of the middle parties and will remain so for many years. Get used to it or become even more irrelevant than you already are. Your time is the sun has gone.[/p][/quote]You lost the right to accuse anyone of being judgemental in your first sentence and a half. The rest of your post is so riddled with logical fallacies I don't even know where to begin. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: -3

9:59am Sun 4 May 14

southy says...

skeptik wrote:
Firstly - it will not be which party reduces well paid employment - technology is well on it's way to the unmanned office - some claim reductions of 36% in office staff across the nation by the end of the decade. Secondly - British, some areas of the British Isles can claim to contain more of an indigenous population - just. Would England be able to say that? Germanic, Scandinavian, Roman, Norman - many know the list - some might say this anti Europe stance is denying the ancestry of the 'English'.
Well I warned the about what was coming to the office a few years ago and about the development of an computer program that will do away with office workers
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: Firstly - it will not be which party reduces well paid employment - technology is well on it's way to the unmanned office - some claim reductions of 36% in office staff across the nation by the end of the decade. Secondly - British, some areas of the British Isles can claim to contain more of an indigenous population - just. Would England be able to say that? Germanic, Scandinavian, Roman, Norman - many know the list - some might say this anti Europe stance is denying the ancestry of the 'English'.[/p][/quote]Well I warned the about what was coming to the office a few years ago and about the development of an computer program that will do away with office workers southy
  • Score: -4

10:48am Sun 4 May 14

Charlie Bucket says...

southy wrote:
skeptik wrote:
Firstly - it will not be which party reduces well paid employment - technology is well on it's way to the unmanned office - some claim reductions of 36% in office staff across the nation by the end of the decade. Secondly - British, some areas of the British Isles can claim to contain more of an indigenous population - just. Would England be able to say that? Germanic, Scandinavian, Roman, Norman - many know the list - some might say this anti Europe stance is denying the ancestry of the 'English'.
Well I warned the about what was coming to the office a few years ago and about the development of an computer program that will do away with office workers
That's because you think all office workers do the same thing.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: Firstly - it will not be which party reduces well paid employment - technology is well on it's way to the unmanned office - some claim reductions of 36% in office staff across the nation by the end of the decade. Secondly - British, some areas of the British Isles can claim to contain more of an indigenous population - just. Would England be able to say that? Germanic, Scandinavian, Roman, Norman - many know the list - some might say this anti Europe stance is denying the ancestry of the 'English'.[/p][/quote]Well I warned the about what was coming to the office a few years ago and about the development of an computer program that will do away with office workers[/p][/quote]That's because you think all office workers do the same thing. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 3

2:43pm Sun 4 May 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
skeptik wrote:
Firstly - it will not be which party reduces well paid employment - technology is well on it's way to the unmanned office - some claim reductions of 36% in office staff across the nation by the end of the decade. Secondly - British, some areas of the British Isles can claim to contain more of an indigenous population - just. Would England be able to say that? Germanic, Scandinavian, Roman, Norman - many know the list - some might say this anti Europe stance is denying the ancestry of the 'English'.
Well I warned the about what was coming to the office a few years ago and about the development of an computer program that will do away with office workers
Another apocalyptic that we will be waiting on forever.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: Firstly - it will not be which party reduces well paid employment - technology is well on it's way to the unmanned office - some claim reductions of 36% in office staff across the nation by the end of the decade. Secondly - British, some areas of the British Isles can claim to contain more of an indigenous population - just. Would England be able to say that? Germanic, Scandinavian, Roman, Norman - many know the list - some might say this anti Europe stance is denying the ancestry of the 'English'.[/p][/quote]Well I warned the about what was coming to the office a few years ago and about the development of an computer program that will do away with office workers[/p][/quote]Another apocalyptic that we will be waiting on forever. Shoong
  • Score: 0

5:22pm Sun 4 May 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

Inform Al wrote:
10 Minute Man wrote:
If you think UKIP are going to protect the working people of this country, think again.

Taking us away from laws protecting peoples rights at work, we will be left like people in the US: fired at will, little holiday or sickness cover.

Euro politicians may be out of control and out of touch, but the route is reform not exit. Unfortunately the other parties - left and right - don't have the balls to address this, nor immigration and out of control corporate power. So the fascist stockbroker wolf in "normal bloke down the pub" clothing will take power.

Still, Europe works out well for Farage- he isn't shy of claiming all the expenses and allowances he can just like the other leeches.
I take it Dawn French's scriptwriter is your political adviser.
As a UKIP candidate, why don't you make a positive contribution to this debate Mr Kebble? Perhaps you can clarify UKIP's policy on tax? I keep asking you to do this, and you keep failing to address it. That's not very impressive from a man who wants people to vote for him.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]10 Minute Man[/bold] wrote: If you think UKIP are going to protect the working people of this country, think again. Taking us away from laws protecting peoples rights at work, we will be left like people in the US: fired at will, little holiday or sickness cover. Euro politicians may be out of control and out of touch, but the route is reform not exit. Unfortunately the other parties - left and right - don't have the balls to address this, nor immigration and out of control corporate power. So the fascist stockbroker wolf in "normal bloke down the pub" clothing will take power. Still, Europe works out well for Farage- he isn't shy of claiming all the expenses and allowances he can just like the other leeches.[/p][/quote]I take it Dawn French's scriptwriter is your political adviser.[/p][/quote]As a UKIP candidate, why don't you make a positive contribution to this debate Mr Kebble? Perhaps you can clarify UKIP's policy on tax? I keep asking you to do this, and you keep failing to address it. That's not very impressive from a man who wants people to vote for him. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: -7

7:12pm Sun 4 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
[quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called. sotonboy84
  • Score: -3

9:08pm Sun 4 May 14

loosehead says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)? loosehead
  • Score: 6

9:26pm Sun 4 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?!

Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?! Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK. sotonboy84
  • Score: -4

1:31am Mon 5 May 14

michael67 says...

I will be voting UKIP no matter what people say about there politics and past. They have one policy i will vote for, FREEDOM from the corrupt EU. I do not care what damage they do to the country providing they get us out of the EU. Once we are free and an independent country in control of our selves, labour who caused more damage to the country than any other Party in History, or the useless spineless conservatives who don't have the courage to sort it out. Can sort out the problems we will have.

So call UKIP useless, racist, what ever they are the only party who will give us freedom.
I will be voting UKIP no matter what people say about there politics and past. They have one policy i will vote for, FREEDOM from the corrupt EU. I do not care what damage they do to the country providing they get us out of the EU. Once we are free and an independent country in control of our selves, labour who caused more damage to the country than any other Party in History, or the useless spineless conservatives who don't have the courage to sort it out. Can sort out the problems we will have. So call UKIP useless, racist, what ever they are the only party who will give us freedom. michael67
  • Score: 6

7:48am Mon 5 May 14

skeptik says...

If you look up the papers from Hitler's 1930s - they are accessed at sites such as Harvard. His advisers were advising that growth and increasing wealth would increase birth rates. This would require higher agricultural output - more than Germany could provide, the seed was sown - his hatred for many and the land that was under foreign control that he considered German soil with German speaking people - the events are well known. Interesting point suggested by a group of businessmen on the World Service - they asked if the UK did leave the EU - which companies that are British would they trade with the world? Most of the big boys are offshore owned and would still be within one of the worlds trading blocks in Asia or Europe - something to think about.
If you look up the papers from Hitler's 1930s - they are accessed at sites such as Harvard. His advisers were advising that growth and increasing wealth would increase birth rates. This would require higher agricultural output - more than Germany could provide, the seed was sown - his hatred for many and the land that was under foreign control that he considered German soil with German speaking people - the events are well known. Interesting point suggested by a group of businessmen on the World Service - they asked if the UK did leave the EU - which companies that are British would they trade with the world? Most of the big boys are offshore owned and would still be within one of the worlds trading blocks in Asia or Europe - something to think about. skeptik
  • Score: 0

7:53am Mon 5 May 14

loosehead says...

skeptik wrote:
If you look up the papers from Hitler's 1930s - they are accessed at sites such as Harvard. His advisers were advising that growth and increasing wealth would increase birth rates. This would require higher agricultural output - more than Germany could provide, the seed was sown - his hatred for many and the land that was under foreign control that he considered German soil with German speaking people - the events are well known. Interesting point suggested by a group of businessmen on the World Service - they asked if the UK did leave the EU - which companies that are British would they trade with the world? Most of the big boys are offshore owned and would still be within one of the worlds trading blocks in Asia or Europe - something to think about.
Is this sounding similar to Russian ambitions in the Ukraine? As Farage has said there's no point banging on about it as we won't support that country militarily & Russias not worried about sanctions whilst it provides Gas & oil to Germany.
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: If you look up the papers from Hitler's 1930s - they are accessed at sites such as Harvard. His advisers were advising that growth and increasing wealth would increase birth rates. This would require higher agricultural output - more than Germany could provide, the seed was sown - his hatred for many and the land that was under foreign control that he considered German soil with German speaking people - the events are well known. Interesting point suggested by a group of businessmen on the World Service - they asked if the UK did leave the EU - which companies that are British would they trade with the world? Most of the big boys are offshore owned and would still be within one of the worlds trading blocks in Asia or Europe - something to think about.[/p][/quote]Is this sounding similar to Russian ambitions in the Ukraine? As Farage has said there's no point banging on about it as we won't support that country militarily & Russias not worried about sanctions whilst it provides Gas & oil to Germany. loosehead
  • Score: 0

10:14am Mon 5 May 14

skeptik says...

Above I mentioned Harvard - a good site for research - 'The Avalon Project' - a Yale Law School site.
Above I mentioned Harvard - a good site for research - 'The Avalon Project' - a Yale Law School site. skeptik
  • Score: 0

10:57am Mon 5 May 14

ChopStick says...

I will most defiantly be voting UKIP and as far as I'm aware my friends and family will be too... UKIP may not be perfect but we need a change in this country... A big change.
I will most defiantly be voting UKIP and as far as I'm aware my friends and family will be too... UKIP may not be perfect but we need a change in this country... A big change. ChopStick
  • Score: 7

11:41am Mon 5 May 14

Torchie1 says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?!

Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.
Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?! Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.[/p][/quote]Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support? Torchie1
  • Score: 1

12:47pm Mon 5 May 14

southy says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
southy wrote:
skeptik wrote:
Firstly - it will not be which party reduces well paid employment - technology is well on it's way to the unmanned office - some claim reductions of 36% in office staff across the nation by the end of the decade. Secondly - British, some areas of the British Isles can claim to contain more of an indigenous population - just. Would England be able to say that? Germanic, Scandinavian, Roman, Norman - many know the list - some might say this anti Europe stance is denying the ancestry of the 'English'.
Well I warned the about what was coming to the office a few years ago and about the development of an computer program that will do away with office workers
That's because you think all office workers do the same thing.
And the computer program is able to change according to the set of rules you give it and be able communicate with other computors doing the same job or totally different jobs in the office.
The program is being tested now as been for at lest 6 mths to iron out any problems and to make changes to make it run more quicker, office workers days are numbered
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: Firstly - it will not be which party reduces well paid employment - technology is well on it's way to the unmanned office - some claim reductions of 36% in office staff across the nation by the end of the decade. Secondly - British, some areas of the British Isles can claim to contain more of an indigenous population - just. Would England be able to say that? Germanic, Scandinavian, Roman, Norman - many know the list - some might say this anti Europe stance is denying the ancestry of the 'English'.[/p][/quote]Well I warned the about what was coming to the office a few years ago and about the development of an computer program that will do away with office workers[/p][/quote]That's because you think all office workers do the same thing.[/p][/quote]And the computer program is able to change according to the set of rules you give it and be able communicate with other computors doing the same job or totally different jobs in the office. The program is being tested now as been for at lest 6 mths to iron out any problems and to make changes to make it run more quicker, office workers days are numbered southy
  • Score: -4

12:50pm Mon 5 May 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?!

Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.
Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?
Well UKIP are taking the same coarse as Hilter did and is why people are warning others where it will lead to, Remember UKIP was born out of the far right wing of the Tory party, Farage him self came from that group when he was a memeber to the Tory Party.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?! Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.[/p][/quote]Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?[/p][/quote]Well UKIP are taking the same coarse as Hilter did and is why people are warning others where it will lead to, Remember UKIP was born out of the far right wing of the Tory party, Farage him self came from that group when he was a memeber to the Tory Party. southy
  • Score: -1

1:28pm Mon 5 May 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?!

Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.
Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?
Well UKIP are taking the same coarse as Hilter did and is why people are warning others where it will lead to, Remember UKIP was born out of the far right wing of the Tory party, Farage him self came from that group when he was a memeber to the Tory Party.
A nice post from someone else who is bitter and twisted that no-one is fooled by 'the Tusc' crude brainwashing attempts. It's one of the downsides of a democracy that people like Stalin, Pol-Pot, and the usual ragbag of socialist tyrants decided to overcome at the point of a gun.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?! Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.[/p][/quote]Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?[/p][/quote]Well UKIP are taking the same coarse as Hilter did and is why people are warning others where it will lead to, Remember UKIP was born out of the far right wing of the Tory party, Farage him self came from that group when he was a memeber to the Tory Party.[/p][/quote]A nice post from someone else who is bitter and twisted that no-one is fooled by 'the Tusc' crude brainwashing attempts. It's one of the downsides of a democracy that people like Stalin, Pol-Pot, and the usual ragbag of socialist tyrants decided to overcome at the point of a gun. Torchie1
  • Score: -1

2:13pm Mon 5 May 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?!

Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.
Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?
Well UKIP are taking the same coarse as Hilter did and is why people are warning others where it will lead to, Remember UKIP was born out of the far right wing of the Tory party, Farage him self came from that group when he was a memeber to the Tory Party.
A nice post from someone else who is bitter and twisted that no-one is fooled by 'the Tusc' crude brainwashing attempts. It's one of the downsides of a democracy that people like Stalin, Pol-Pot, and the usual ragbag of socialist tyrants decided to overcome at the point of a gun.
Torchie that fact is that you are trying to forget what history as taught us, like Pol-pot was not a Socialist He was a puppet to the American System Capitalist and was put into power by the USA, that,s why the USA stop any western world country from going into Cambodia to put an end to it, it took a Communist Country Vietnam after beating the USA in a war to bring it to an end and when they caught up with the leaders and cornered them they had USA dollars, USA guns they also stop a USA helicopter from landing to pick up the high ranking officers and what was left to the Government.
Stalin was a Capitalist even Churchill knew that, and is why Stalin undone every thing that Lenin had done and why Stalin murdered Socialist, and Union leaders.
So stop with the BS your not fooling any one
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?! Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.[/p][/quote]Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?[/p][/quote]Well UKIP are taking the same coarse as Hilter did and is why people are warning others where it will lead to, Remember UKIP was born out of the far right wing of the Tory party, Farage him self came from that group when he was a memeber to the Tory Party.[/p][/quote]A nice post from someone else who is bitter and twisted that no-one is fooled by 'the Tusc' crude brainwashing attempts. It's one of the downsides of a democracy that people like Stalin, Pol-Pot, and the usual ragbag of socialist tyrants decided to overcome at the point of a gun.[/p][/quote]Torchie that fact is that you are trying to forget what history as taught us, like Pol-pot was not a Socialist He was a puppet to the American System Capitalist and was put into power by the USA, that,s why the USA stop any western world country from going into Cambodia to put an end to it, it took a Communist Country Vietnam after beating the USA in a war to bring it to an end and when they caught up with the leaders and cornered them they had USA dollars, USA guns they also stop a USA helicopter from landing to pick up the high ranking officers and what was left to the Government. Stalin was a Capitalist even Churchill knew that, and is why Stalin undone every thing that Lenin had done and why Stalin murdered Socialist, and Union leaders. So stop with the BS your not fooling any one southy
  • Score: 0

2:14pm Mon 5 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Torchie1 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?!

Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.
Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?
Nope. The real issue is as I've said in my above posts.

They're a dangerous, racist, homophobic & bigoted party with extremist views just like the Nazi party. I just hope you have no non-white, foreign or homosexual friends because voting for UKIP is denying them equal rights.

So many people are blinded and believe that the atrocities of the Holocaust could never happen again. The Nazi party started out as UKIP are now. They didn't promise to exterminate an entire religion to win power, this came later by which time it was too late.

The only thing that's surprised me out of all the noise that UKIP have been making is the number of sheep like, uneducated buffoons there are that say they'll vote for them.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?! Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.[/p][/quote]Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?[/p][/quote]Nope. The real issue is as I've said in my above posts. They're a dangerous, racist, homophobic & bigoted party with extremist views just like the Nazi party. I just hope you have no non-white, foreign or homosexual friends because voting for UKIP is denying them equal rights. So many people are blinded and believe that the atrocities of the Holocaust could never happen again. The Nazi party started out as UKIP are now. They didn't promise to exterminate an entire religion to win power, this came later by which time it was too late. The only thing that's surprised me out of all the noise that UKIP have been making is the number of sheep like, uneducated buffoons there are that say they'll vote for them. sotonboy84
  • Score: -1

2:16pm Mon 5 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?!

Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.
Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?
Well UKIP are taking the same coarse as Hilter did and is why people are warning others where it will lead to, Remember UKIP was born out of the far right wing of the Tory party, Farage him self came from that group when he was a memeber to the Tory Party.
A nice post from someone else who is bitter and twisted that no-one is fooled by 'the Tusc' crude brainwashing attempts. It's one of the downsides of a democracy that people like Stalin, Pol-Pot, and the usual ragbag of socialist tyrants decided to overcome at the point of a gun.
Torchie that fact is that you are trying to forget what history as taught us, like Pol-pot was not a Socialist He was a puppet to the American System Capitalist and was put into power by the USA, that,s why the USA stop any western world country from going into Cambodia to put an end to it, it took a Communist Country Vietnam after beating the USA in a war to bring it to an end and when they caught up with the leaders and cornered them they had USA dollars, USA guns they also stop a USA helicopter from landing to pick up the high ranking officers and what was left to the Government.
Stalin was a Capitalist even Churchill knew that, and is why Stalin undone every thing that Lenin had done and why Stalin murdered Socialist, and Union leaders.
So stop with the BS your not fooling any one
Many people ignore history and believe it's all in the past and that because it's happened, it won't happen again.

Look at present day Russia for example with their treatment of homosexuals. Atrocities can happen and do and voting UKIP will just be pointing the finger of blame at another group of people.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?! Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.[/p][/quote]Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?[/p][/quote]Well UKIP are taking the same coarse as Hilter did and is why people are warning others where it will lead to, Remember UKIP was born out of the far right wing of the Tory party, Farage him self came from that group when he was a memeber to the Tory Party.[/p][/quote]A nice post from someone else who is bitter and twisted that no-one is fooled by 'the Tusc' crude brainwashing attempts. It's one of the downsides of a democracy that people like Stalin, Pol-Pot, and the usual ragbag of socialist tyrants decided to overcome at the point of a gun.[/p][/quote]Torchie that fact is that you are trying to forget what history as taught us, like Pol-pot was not a Socialist He was a puppet to the American System Capitalist and was put into power by the USA, that,s why the USA stop any western world country from going into Cambodia to put an end to it, it took a Communist Country Vietnam after beating the USA in a war to bring it to an end and when they caught up with the leaders and cornered them they had USA dollars, USA guns they also stop a USA helicopter from landing to pick up the high ranking officers and what was left to the Government. Stalin was a Capitalist even Churchill knew that, and is why Stalin undone every thing that Lenin had done and why Stalin murdered Socialist, and Union leaders. So stop with the BS your not fooling any one[/p][/quote]Many people ignore history and believe it's all in the past and that because it's happened, it won't happen again. Look at present day Russia for example with their treatment of homosexuals. Atrocities can happen and do and voting UKIP will just be pointing the finger of blame at another group of people. sotonboy84
  • Score: 1

2:49pm Mon 5 May 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?!

Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.
Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?
Well UKIP are taking the same coarse as Hilter did and is why people are warning others where it will lead to, Remember UKIP was born out of the far right wing of the Tory party, Farage him self came from that group when he was a memeber to the Tory Party.
A nice post from someone else who is bitter and twisted that no-one is fooled by 'the Tusc' crude brainwashing attempts. It's one of the downsides of a democracy that people like Stalin, Pol-Pot, and the usual ragbag of socialist tyrants decided to overcome at the point of a gun.
Torchie that fact is that you are trying to forget what history as taught us, like Pol-pot was not a Socialist He was a puppet to the American System Capitalist and was put into power by the USA, that,s why the USA stop any western world country from going into Cambodia to put an end to it, it took a Communist Country Vietnam after beating the USA in a war to bring it to an end and when they caught up with the leaders and cornered them they had USA dollars, USA guns they also stop a USA helicopter from landing to pick up the high ranking officers and what was left to the Government.
Stalin was a Capitalist even Churchill knew that, and is why Stalin undone every thing that Lenin had done and why Stalin murdered Socialist, and Union leaders.
So stop with the BS your not fooling any one
It must be disappointing to be the only one who knows the 'truth' and not be able to turn up a credible source to back it up.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?! Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.[/p][/quote]Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?[/p][/quote]Well UKIP are taking the same coarse as Hilter did and is why people are warning others where it will lead to, Remember UKIP was born out of the far right wing of the Tory party, Farage him self came from that group when he was a memeber to the Tory Party.[/p][/quote]A nice post from someone else who is bitter and twisted that no-one is fooled by 'the Tusc' crude brainwashing attempts. It's one of the downsides of a democracy that people like Stalin, Pol-Pot, and the usual ragbag of socialist tyrants decided to overcome at the point of a gun.[/p][/quote]Torchie that fact is that you are trying to forget what history as taught us, like Pol-pot was not a Socialist He was a puppet to the American System Capitalist and was put into power by the USA, that,s why the USA stop any western world country from going into Cambodia to put an end to it, it took a Communist Country Vietnam after beating the USA in a war to bring it to an end and when they caught up with the leaders and cornered them they had USA dollars, USA guns they also stop a USA helicopter from landing to pick up the high ranking officers and what was left to the Government. Stalin was a Capitalist even Churchill knew that, and is why Stalin undone every thing that Lenin had done and why Stalin murdered Socialist, and Union leaders. So stop with the BS your not fooling any one[/p][/quote]It must be disappointing to be the only one who knows the 'truth' and not be able to turn up a credible source to back it up. Torchie1
  • Score: 1

3:24pm Mon 5 May 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?!

Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.
Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?
Well UKIP are taking the same coarse as Hilter did and is why people are warning others where it will lead to, Remember UKIP was born out of the far right wing of the Tory party, Farage him self came from that group when he was a memeber to the Tory Party.
A nice post from someone else who is bitter and twisted that no-one is fooled by 'the Tusc' crude brainwashing attempts. It's one of the downsides of a democracy that people like Stalin, Pol-Pot, and the usual ragbag of socialist tyrants decided to overcome at the point of a gun.
Torchie that fact is that you are trying to forget what history as taught us, like Pol-pot was not a Socialist He was a puppet to the American System Capitalist and was put into power by the USA, that,s why the USA stop any western world country from going into Cambodia to put an end to it, it took a Communist Country Vietnam after beating the USA in a war to bring it to an end and when they caught up with the leaders and cornered them they had USA dollars, USA guns they also stop a USA helicopter from landing to pick up the high ranking officers and what was left to the Government.
Stalin was a Capitalist even Churchill knew that, and is why Stalin undone every thing that Lenin had done and why Stalin murdered Socialist, and Union leaders.
So stop with the BS your not fooling any one
It must be disappointing to be the only one who knows the 'truth' and not be able to turn up a credible source to back it up.
Its all written down in the History books you just need to go and get the books, its harder to alter the written book form than it is on the internet, Like the Troys have been changing there own history and been removing parts of what they have said and done in the past on the internet a number of people have been commenting on this on other sites.
You what the truth then get books and read them and also under stand them.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?! Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.[/p][/quote]Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?[/p][/quote]Well UKIP are taking the same coarse as Hilter did and is why people are warning others where it will lead to, Remember UKIP was born out of the far right wing of the Tory party, Farage him self came from that group when he was a memeber to the Tory Party.[/p][/quote]A nice post from someone else who is bitter and twisted that no-one is fooled by 'the Tusc' crude brainwashing attempts. It's one of the downsides of a democracy that people like Stalin, Pol-Pot, and the usual ragbag of socialist tyrants decided to overcome at the point of a gun.[/p][/quote]Torchie that fact is that you are trying to forget what history as taught us, like Pol-pot was not a Socialist He was a puppet to the American System Capitalist and was put into power by the USA, that,s why the USA stop any western world country from going into Cambodia to put an end to it, it took a Communist Country Vietnam after beating the USA in a war to bring it to an end and when they caught up with the leaders and cornered them they had USA dollars, USA guns they also stop a USA helicopter from landing to pick up the high ranking officers and what was left to the Government. Stalin was a Capitalist even Churchill knew that, and is why Stalin undone every thing that Lenin had done and why Stalin murdered Socialist, and Union leaders. So stop with the BS your not fooling any one[/p][/quote]It must be disappointing to be the only one who knows the 'truth' and not be able to turn up a credible source to back it up.[/p][/quote]Its all written down in the History books you just need to go and get the books, its harder to alter the written book form than it is on the internet, Like the Troys have been changing there own history and been removing parts of what they have said and done in the past on the internet a number of people have been commenting on this on other sites. You what the truth then get books and read them and also under stand them. southy
  • Score: -1

3:30pm Mon 5 May 14

southy says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?!

Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.
Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?
Well UKIP are taking the same coarse as Hilter did and is why people are warning others where it will lead to, Remember UKIP was born out of the far right wing of the Tory party, Farage him self came from that group when he was a memeber to the Tory Party.
A nice post from someone else who is bitter and twisted that no-one is fooled by 'the Tusc' crude brainwashing attempts. It's one of the downsides of a democracy that people like Stalin, Pol-Pot, and the usual ragbag of socialist tyrants decided to overcome at the point of a gun.
Torchie that fact is that you are trying to forget what history as taught us, like Pol-pot was not a Socialist He was a puppet to the American System Capitalist and was put into power by the USA, that,s why the USA stop any western world country from going into Cambodia to put an end to it, it took a Communist Country Vietnam after beating the USA in a war to bring it to an end and when they caught up with the leaders and cornered them they had USA dollars, USA guns they also stop a USA helicopter from landing to pick up the high ranking officers and what was left to the Government.
Stalin was a Capitalist even Churchill knew that, and is why Stalin undone every thing that Lenin had done and why Stalin murdered Socialist, and Union leaders.
So stop with the BS your not fooling any one
Many people ignore history and believe it's all in the past and that because it's happened, it won't happen again.

Look at present day Russia for example with their treatment of homosexuals. Atrocities can happen and do and voting UKIP will just be pointing the finger of blame at another group of people.
funny you should mention Russia just been reading a little bit about it on

http://rt.com/op-edg
e/156740-west-ukrain
e-policy-yugoslavia/


Never though much about it till some one pointed out this, The guy on the side of the APC don't look or his stance is not of that off a Russian Solider its one of a American Stance. looking at the picture it do seem doctored/photoshop
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?! Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.[/p][/quote]Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?[/p][/quote]Well UKIP are taking the same coarse as Hilter did and is why people are warning others where it will lead to, Remember UKIP was born out of the far right wing of the Tory party, Farage him self came from that group when he was a memeber to the Tory Party.[/p][/quote]A nice post from someone else who is bitter and twisted that no-one is fooled by 'the Tusc' crude brainwashing attempts. It's one of the downsides of a democracy that people like Stalin, Pol-Pot, and the usual ragbag of socialist tyrants decided to overcome at the point of a gun.[/p][/quote]Torchie that fact is that you are trying to forget what history as taught us, like Pol-pot was not a Socialist He was a puppet to the American System Capitalist and was put into power by the USA, that,s why the USA stop any western world country from going into Cambodia to put an end to it, it took a Communist Country Vietnam after beating the USA in a war to bring it to an end and when they caught up with the leaders and cornered them they had USA dollars, USA guns they also stop a USA helicopter from landing to pick up the high ranking officers and what was left to the Government. Stalin was a Capitalist even Churchill knew that, and is why Stalin undone every thing that Lenin had done and why Stalin murdered Socialist, and Union leaders. So stop with the BS your not fooling any one[/p][/quote]Many people ignore history and believe it's all in the past and that because it's happened, it won't happen again. Look at present day Russia for example with their treatment of homosexuals. Atrocities can happen and do and voting UKIP will just be pointing the finger of blame at another group of people.[/p][/quote]funny you should mention Russia just been reading a little bit about it on http://rt.com/op-edg e/156740-west-ukrain e-policy-yugoslavia/ Never though much about it till some one pointed out this, The guy on the side of the APC don't look or his stance is not of that off a Russian Solider its one of a American Stance. looking at the picture it do seem doctored/photoshop southy
  • Score: -1

4:08pm Mon 5 May 14

Inform Al says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?!

Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.
So many stupid posts on this thread but this one is probably the most stupid.
Yes UKIP are concerned with the level of immigration from the EU due to the numbers involved, but they are the only party that says we let the commonwealth down badly when we joined the common market, and that we should renew all ties with them, and that includes all the non white bits as well. Far from racist, but then that's what your type call realism, isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?! Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.[/p][/quote]So many stupid posts on this thread but this one is probably the most stupid. Yes UKIP are concerned with the level of immigration from the EU due to the numbers involved, but they are the only party that says we let the commonwealth down badly when we joined the common market, and that we should renew all ties with them, and that includes all the non white bits as well. Far from racist, but then that's what your type call realism, isn't it? Inform Al
  • Score: -1

6:43pm Mon 5 May 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?!

Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.
Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?
Well UKIP are taking the same coarse as Hilter did and is why people are warning others where it will lead to, Remember UKIP was born out of the far right wing of the Tory party, Farage him self came from that group when he was a memeber to the Tory Party.
A nice post from someone else who is bitter and twisted that no-one is fooled by 'the Tusc' crude brainwashing attempts. It's one of the downsides of a democracy that people like Stalin, Pol-Pot, and the usual ragbag of socialist tyrants decided to overcome at the point of a gun.
Torchie that fact is that you are trying to forget what history as taught us, like Pol-pot was not a Socialist He was a puppet to the American System Capitalist and was put into power by the USA, that,s why the USA stop any western world country from going into Cambodia to put an end to it, it took a Communist Country Vietnam after beating the USA in a war to bring it to an end and when they caught up with the leaders and cornered them they had USA dollars, USA guns they also stop a USA helicopter from landing to pick up the high ranking officers and what was left to the Government.
Stalin was a Capitalist even Churchill knew that, and is why Stalin undone every thing that Lenin had done and why Stalin murdered Socialist, and Union leaders.
So stop with the BS your not fooling any one
It must be disappointing to be the only one who knows the 'truth' and not be able to turn up a credible source to back it up.
Its all written down in the History books you just need to go and get the books, its harder to alter the written book form than it is on the internet, Like the Troys have been changing there own history and been removing parts of what they have said and done in the past on the internet a number of people have been commenting on this on other sites.
You what the truth then get books and read them and also under stand them.
I'm more than willing to read the books but you'll never reveal what they are. Here's your big chance to prove that you are right. Perhaps you could also reveal how you are able to offer legitimate Youtube clips as the indisputable truth but here you dismiss the Internet as unreliable.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?! Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.[/p][/quote]Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?[/p][/quote]Well UKIP are taking the same coarse as Hilter did and is why people are warning others where it will lead to, Remember UKIP was born out of the far right wing of the Tory party, Farage him self came from that group when he was a memeber to the Tory Party.[/p][/quote]A nice post from someone else who is bitter and twisted that no-one is fooled by 'the Tusc' crude brainwashing attempts. It's one of the downsides of a democracy that people like Stalin, Pol-Pot, and the usual ragbag of socialist tyrants decided to overcome at the point of a gun.[/p][/quote]Torchie that fact is that you are trying to forget what history as taught us, like Pol-pot was not a Socialist He was a puppet to the American System Capitalist and was put into power by the USA, that,s why the USA stop any western world country from going into Cambodia to put an end to it, it took a Communist Country Vietnam after beating the USA in a war to bring it to an end and when they caught up with the leaders and cornered them they had USA dollars, USA guns they also stop a USA helicopter from landing to pick up the high ranking officers and what was left to the Government. Stalin was a Capitalist even Churchill knew that, and is why Stalin undone every thing that Lenin had done and why Stalin murdered Socialist, and Union leaders. So stop with the BS your not fooling any one[/p][/quote]It must be disappointing to be the only one who knows the 'truth' and not be able to turn up a credible source to back it up.[/p][/quote]Its all written down in the History books you just need to go and get the books, its harder to alter the written book form than it is on the internet, Like the Troys have been changing there own history and been removing parts of what they have said and done in the past on the internet a number of people have been commenting on this on other sites. You what the truth then get books and read them and also under stand them.[/p][/quote]I'm more than willing to read the books but you'll never reveal what they are. Here's your big chance to prove that you are right. Perhaps you could also reveal how you are able to offer legitimate Youtube clips as the indisputable truth but here you dismiss the Internet as unreliable. Torchie1
  • Score: 1

6:58pm Mon 5 May 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?!

Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.
Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?
Well UKIP are taking the same coarse as Hilter did and is why people are warning others where it will lead to, Remember UKIP was born out of the far right wing of the Tory party, Farage him self came from that group when he was a memeber to the Tory Party.
A nice post from someone else who is bitter and twisted that no-one is fooled by 'the Tusc' crude brainwashing attempts. It's one of the downsides of a democracy that people like Stalin, Pol-Pot, and the usual ragbag of socialist tyrants decided to overcome at the point of a gun.
Torchie that fact is that you are trying to forget what history as taught us, like Pol-pot was not a Socialist He was a puppet to the American System Capitalist and was put into power by the USA, that,s why the USA stop any western world country from going into Cambodia to put an end to it, it took a Communist Country Vietnam after beating the USA in a war to bring it to an end and when they caught up with the leaders and cornered them they had USA dollars, USA guns they also stop a USA helicopter from landing to pick up the high ranking officers and what was left to the Government.
Stalin was a Capitalist even Churchill knew that, and is why Stalin undone every thing that Lenin had done and why Stalin murdered Socialist, and Union leaders.
So stop with the BS your not fooling any one
It must be disappointing to be the only one who knows the 'truth' and not be able to turn up a credible source to back it up.
Its all written down in the History books you just need to go and get the books, its harder to alter the written book form than it is on the internet, Like the Troys have been changing there own history and been removing parts of what they have said and done in the past on the internet a number of people have been commenting on this on other sites.
You what the truth then get books and read them and also under stand them.
I'm more than willing to read the books but you'll never reveal what they are. Here's your big chance to prove that you are right. Perhaps you could also reveal how you are able to offer legitimate Youtube clips as the indisputable truth but here you dismiss the Internet as unreliable.
The trouble is you don't and it shows that you don't, Because I read books also and true accounts, Youtube clips is because we have some out there on the spot and we can watch on-line as it is happening, thats how I knew about what was going on in Romania when people took to the streets and stop there government from selling off to private hands any of there health and welfare services
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?! Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.[/p][/quote]Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?[/p][/quote]Well UKIP are taking the same coarse as Hilter did and is why people are warning others where it will lead to, Remember UKIP was born out of the far right wing of the Tory party, Farage him self came from that group when he was a memeber to the Tory Party.[/p][/quote]A nice post from someone else who is bitter and twisted that no-one is fooled by 'the Tusc' crude brainwashing attempts. It's one of the downsides of a democracy that people like Stalin, Pol-Pot, and the usual ragbag of socialist tyrants decided to overcome at the point of a gun.[/p][/quote]Torchie that fact is that you are trying to forget what history as taught us, like Pol-pot was not a Socialist He was a puppet to the American System Capitalist and was put into power by the USA, that,s why the USA stop any western world country from going into Cambodia to put an end to it, it took a Communist Country Vietnam after beating the USA in a war to bring it to an end and when they caught up with the leaders and cornered them they had USA dollars, USA guns they also stop a USA helicopter from landing to pick up the high ranking officers and what was left to the Government. Stalin was a Capitalist even Churchill knew that, and is why Stalin undone every thing that Lenin had done and why Stalin murdered Socialist, and Union leaders. So stop with the BS your not fooling any one[/p][/quote]It must be disappointing to be the only one who knows the 'truth' and not be able to turn up a credible source to back it up.[/p][/quote]Its all written down in the History books you just need to go and get the books, its harder to alter the written book form than it is on the internet, Like the Troys have been changing there own history and been removing parts of what they have said and done in the past on the internet a number of people have been commenting on this on other sites. You what the truth then get books and read them and also under stand them.[/p][/quote]I'm more than willing to read the books but you'll never reveal what they are. Here's your big chance to prove that you are right. Perhaps you could also reveal how you are able to offer legitimate Youtube clips as the indisputable truth but here you dismiss the Internet as unreliable.[/p][/quote]The trouble is you don't and it shows that you don't, Because I read books also and true accounts, Youtube clips is because we have some out there on the spot and we can watch on-line as it is happening, thats how I knew about what was going on in Romania when people took to the streets and stop there government from selling off to private hands any of there health and welfare services southy
  • Score: -2

7:51pm Mon 5 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?!

Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.
So many stupid posts on this thread but this one is probably the most stupid.
Yes UKIP are concerned with the level of immigration from the EU due to the numbers involved, but they are the only party that says we let the commonwealth down badly when we joined the common market, and that we should renew all ties with them, and that includes all the non white bits as well. Far from racist, but then that's what your type call realism, isn't it?
I think the most stupid post I read was yours recently, hoping for a coalition between UKIP and Labour.

Labour are the cause of uncapped immigration and it's UKIP that want to put a cap on it. Both different ends of the spectrum. So how do you propose such a coalition would work? One caused the issue that the other is obsessed in putting an end to!!
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?! Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.[/p][/quote]So many stupid posts on this thread but this one is probably the most stupid. Yes UKIP are concerned with the level of immigration from the EU due to the numbers involved, but they are the only party that says we let the commonwealth down badly when we joined the common market, and that we should renew all ties with them, and that includes all the non white bits as well. Far from racist, but then that's what your type call realism, isn't it?[/p][/quote]I think the most stupid post I read was yours recently, hoping for a coalition between UKIP and Labour. Labour are the cause of uncapped immigration and it's UKIP that want to put a cap on it. Both different ends of the spectrum. So how do you propose such a coalition would work? One caused the issue that the other is obsessed in putting an end to!! sotonboy84
  • Score: 1

7:56pm Mon 5 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?!

Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.
So many stupid posts on this thread but this one is probably the most stupid.
Yes UKIP are concerned with the level of immigration from the EU due to the numbers involved, but they are the only party that says we let the commonwealth down badly when we joined the common market, and that we should renew all ties with them, and that includes all the non white bits as well. Far from racist, but then that's what your type call realism, isn't it?
And on your point of racism - can you explain Farage's distinction of the "white working class"? Not to mention various other comments by other loony members.

And presumably these ties that UKIP want to renew - are they only available to heterosexuals? They deny equal rights to individuals because of their sexuality after all.

Whatever you say they're an extremist party, blaming the UK's problems on a small number of the population. They're scaremongering and have no track record of doing anything positive.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?! Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.[/p][/quote]So many stupid posts on this thread but this one is probably the most stupid. Yes UKIP are concerned with the level of immigration from the EU due to the numbers involved, but they are the only party that says we let the commonwealth down badly when we joined the common market, and that we should renew all ties with them, and that includes all the non white bits as well. Far from racist, but then that's what your type call realism, isn't it?[/p][/quote]And on your point of racism - can you explain Farage's distinction of the "white working class"? Not to mention various other comments by other loony members. And presumably these ties that UKIP want to renew - are they only available to heterosexuals? They deny equal rights to individuals because of their sexuality after all. Whatever you say they're an extremist party, blaming the UK's problems on a small number of the population. They're scaremongering and have no track record of doing anything positive. sotonboy84
  • Score: -4

8:26pm Mon 5 May 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?!

Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.
Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?
Well UKIP are taking the same coarse as Hilter did and is why people are warning others where it will lead to, Remember UKIP was born out of the far right wing of the Tory party, Farage him self came from that group when he was a memeber to the Tory Party.
A nice post from someone else who is bitter and twisted that no-one is fooled by 'the Tusc' crude brainwashing attempts. It's one of the downsides of a democracy that people like Stalin, Pol-Pot, and the usual ragbag of socialist tyrants decided to overcome at the point of a gun.
Torchie that fact is that you are trying to forget what history as taught us, like Pol-pot was not a Socialist He was a puppet to the American System Capitalist and was put into power by the USA, that,s why the USA stop any western world country from going into Cambodia to put an end to it, it took a Communist Country Vietnam after beating the USA in a war to bring it to an end and when they caught up with the leaders and cornered them they had USA dollars, USA guns they also stop a USA helicopter from landing to pick up the high ranking officers and what was left to the Government.
Stalin was a Capitalist even Churchill knew that, and is why Stalin undone every thing that Lenin had done and why Stalin murdered Socialist, and Union leaders.
So stop with the BS your not fooling any one
It must be disappointing to be the only one who knows the 'truth' and not be able to turn up a credible source to back it up.
Its all written down in the History books you just need to go and get the books, its harder to alter the written book form than it is on the internet, Like the Troys have been changing there own history and been removing parts of what they have said and done in the past on the internet a number of people have been commenting on this on other sites.
You what the truth then get books and read them and also under stand them.
I'm more than willing to read the books but you'll never reveal what they are. Here's your big chance to prove that you are right. Perhaps you could also reveal how you are able to offer legitimate Youtube clips as the indisputable truth but here you dismiss the Internet as unreliable.
The trouble is you don't and it shows that you don't, Because I read books also and true accounts, Youtube clips is because we have some out there on the spot and we can watch on-line as it is happening, thats how I knew about what was going on in Romania when people took to the streets and stop there government from selling off to private hands any of there health and welfare services
It's quite simple to list the books and their authors then isn't it? Anyone can set themselves up as a fountain of knowledge but when they constantly refuse to name their sources the suspicious mind begins to think that they are making it up. Going off on another tangent altogether instead of listing the sources makes it look even more shady.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?! Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.[/p][/quote]Are you sure that the real issue you have with UKIP is that they are better at brainwashing people than the political group that you support?[/p][/quote]Well UKIP are taking the same coarse as Hilter did and is why people are warning others where it will lead to, Remember UKIP was born out of the far right wing of the Tory party, Farage him self came from that group when he was a memeber to the Tory Party.[/p][/quote]A nice post from someone else who is bitter and twisted that no-one is fooled by 'the Tusc' crude brainwashing attempts. It's one of the downsides of a democracy that people like Stalin, Pol-Pot, and the usual ragbag of socialist tyrants decided to overcome at the point of a gun.[/p][/quote]Torchie that fact is that you are trying to forget what history as taught us, like Pol-pot was not a Socialist He was a puppet to the American System Capitalist and was put into power by the USA, that,s why the USA stop any western world country from going into Cambodia to put an end to it, it took a Communist Country Vietnam after beating the USA in a war to bring it to an end and when they caught up with the leaders and cornered them they had USA dollars, USA guns they also stop a USA helicopter from landing to pick up the high ranking officers and what was left to the Government. Stalin was a Capitalist even Churchill knew that, and is why Stalin undone every thing that Lenin had done and why Stalin murdered Socialist, and Union leaders. So stop with the BS your not fooling any one[/p][/quote]It must be disappointing to be the only one who knows the 'truth' and not be able to turn up a credible source to back it up.[/p][/quote]Its all written down in the History books you just need to go and get the books, its harder to alter the written book form than it is on the internet, Like the Troys have been changing there own history and been removing parts of what they have said and done in the past on the internet a number of people have been commenting on this on other sites. You what the truth then get books and read them and also under stand them.[/p][/quote]I'm more than willing to read the books but you'll never reveal what they are. Here's your big chance to prove that you are right. Perhaps you could also reveal how you are able to offer legitimate Youtube clips as the indisputable truth but here you dismiss the Internet as unreliable.[/p][/quote]The trouble is you don't and it shows that you don't, Because I read books also and true accounts, Youtube clips is because we have some out there on the spot and we can watch on-line as it is happening, thats how I knew about what was going on in Romania when people took to the streets and stop there government from selling off to private hands any of there health and welfare services[/p][/quote]It's quite simple to list the books and their authors then isn't it? Anyone can set themselves up as a fountain of knowledge but when they constantly refuse to name their sources the suspicious mind begins to think that they are making it up. Going off on another tangent altogether instead of listing the sources makes it look even more shady. Torchie1
  • Score: 2

8:59pm Mon 5 May 14

Inform Al says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?!

Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.
So many stupid posts on this thread but this one is probably the most stupid.
Yes UKIP are concerned with the level of immigration from the EU due to the numbers involved, but they are the only party that says we let the commonwealth down badly when we joined the common market, and that we should renew all ties with them, and that includes all the non white bits as well. Far from racist, but then that's what your type call realism, isn't it?
And on your point of racism - can you explain Farage's distinction of the "white working class"? Not to mention various other comments by other loony members.

And presumably these ties that UKIP want to renew - are they only available to heterosexuals? They deny equal rights to individuals because of their sexuality after all.

Whatever you say they're an extremist party, blaming the UK's problems on a small number of the population. They're scaremongering and have no track record of doing anything positive.
Rubbish again, the comment used was indigenous citizens, only those that wish to lie would see indigenous as white. If you think UKIP do not wish to renew our relationship with the commonwealth perhaps you should ask Pearline Hingston UKIP's Southampton Test leader what her view is, as she is of West Indian origin and supports the party's line. It is no longer a small number of the population that are taking our jobs, and it is getting bigger every day.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?! Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.[/p][/quote]So many stupid posts on this thread but this one is probably the most stupid. Yes UKIP are concerned with the level of immigration from the EU due to the numbers involved, but they are the only party that says we let the commonwealth down badly when we joined the common market, and that we should renew all ties with them, and that includes all the non white bits as well. Far from racist, but then that's what your type call realism, isn't it?[/p][/quote]And on your point of racism - can you explain Farage's distinction of the "white working class"? Not to mention various other comments by other loony members. And presumably these ties that UKIP want to renew - are they only available to heterosexuals? They deny equal rights to individuals because of their sexuality after all. Whatever you say they're an extremist party, blaming the UK's problems on a small number of the population. They're scaremongering and have no track record of doing anything positive.[/p][/quote]Rubbish again, the comment used was indigenous citizens, only those that wish to lie would see indigenous as white. If you think UKIP do not wish to renew our relationship with the commonwealth perhaps you should ask Pearline Hingston UKIP's Southampton Test leader what her view is, as she is of West Indian origin and supports the party's line. It is no longer a small number of the population that are taking our jobs, and it is getting bigger every day. Inform Al
  • Score: 2

8:59pm Mon 5 May 14

loosehead says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?!

Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.
So many stupid posts on this thread but this one is probably the most stupid.
Yes UKIP are concerned with the level of immigration from the EU due to the numbers involved, but they are the only party that says we let the commonwealth down badly when we joined the common market, and that we should renew all ties with them, and that includes all the non white bits as well. Far from racist, but then that's what your type call realism, isn't it?
And on your point of racism - can you explain Farage's distinction of the "white working class"? Not to mention various other comments by other loony members.

And presumably these ties that UKIP want to renew - are they only available to heterosexuals? They deny equal rights to individuals because of their sexuality after all.

Whatever you say they're an extremist party, blaming the UK's problems on a small number of the population. They're scaremongering and have no track record of doing anything positive.
He also said that EU migration was also taking jobs from Afro Caribbean descended Brits so is that racism?
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?! Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.[/p][/quote]So many stupid posts on this thread but this one is probably the most stupid. Yes UKIP are concerned with the level of immigration from the EU due to the numbers involved, but they are the only party that says we let the commonwealth down badly when we joined the common market, and that we should renew all ties with them, and that includes all the non white bits as well. Far from racist, but then that's what your type call realism, isn't it?[/p][/quote]And on your point of racism - can you explain Farage's distinction of the "white working class"? Not to mention various other comments by other loony members. And presumably these ties that UKIP want to renew - are they only available to heterosexuals? They deny equal rights to individuals because of their sexuality after all. Whatever you say they're an extremist party, blaming the UK's problems on a small number of the population. They're scaremongering and have no track record of doing anything positive.[/p][/quote]He also said that EU migration was also taking jobs from Afro Caribbean descended Brits so is that racism? loosehead
  • Score: 2

9:15pm Mon 5 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?!

Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.
So many stupid posts on this thread but this one is probably the most stupid.
Yes UKIP are concerned with the level of immigration from the EU due to the numbers involved, but they are the only party that says we let the commonwealth down badly when we joined the common market, and that we should renew all ties with them, and that includes all the non white bits as well. Far from racist, but then that's what your type call realism, isn't it?
And on your point of racism - can you explain Farage's distinction of the "white working class"? Not to mention various other comments by other loony members.

And presumably these ties that UKIP want to renew - are they only available to heterosexuals? They deny equal rights to individuals because of their sexuality after all.

Whatever you say they're an extremist party, blaming the UK's problems on a small number of the population. They're scaremongering and have no track record of doing anything positive.
Rubbish again, the comment used was indigenous citizens, only those that wish to lie would see indigenous as white. If you think UKIP do not wish to renew our relationship with the commonwealth perhaps you should ask Pearline Hingston UKIP's Southampton Test leader what her view is, as she is of West Indian origin and supports the party's line. It is no longer a small number of the population that are taking our jobs, and it is getting bigger every day.
So all indigenous people of the UK are white and working class? If this is what he meant, why didn't the just say the indigenous people of the UK? It's because that's not what he meant and your picking things apart to find the answer you want rather than seeing the truth.

So UKIP have a black member, it doesn't mean other members and their polices cannot be racist.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?! Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.[/p][/quote]So many stupid posts on this thread but this one is probably the most stupid. Yes UKIP are concerned with the level of immigration from the EU due to the numbers involved, but they are the only party that says we let the commonwealth down badly when we joined the common market, and that we should renew all ties with them, and that includes all the non white bits as well. Far from racist, but then that's what your type call realism, isn't it?[/p][/quote]And on your point of racism - can you explain Farage's distinction of the "white working class"? Not to mention various other comments by other loony members. And presumably these ties that UKIP want to renew - are they only available to heterosexuals? They deny equal rights to individuals because of their sexuality after all. Whatever you say they're an extremist party, blaming the UK's problems on a small number of the population. They're scaremongering and have no track record of doing anything positive.[/p][/quote]Rubbish again, the comment used was indigenous citizens, only those that wish to lie would see indigenous as white. If you think UKIP do not wish to renew our relationship with the commonwealth perhaps you should ask Pearline Hingston UKIP's Southampton Test leader what her view is, as she is of West Indian origin and supports the party's line. It is no longer a small number of the population that are taking our jobs, and it is getting bigger every day.[/p][/quote]So all indigenous people of the UK are white and working class? If this is what he meant, why didn't the just say the indigenous people of the UK? It's because that's not what he meant and your picking things apart to find the answer you want rather than seeing the truth. So UKIP have a black member, it doesn't mean other members and their polices cannot be racist. sotonboy84
  • Score: -4

9:18pm Mon 5 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?!

Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.
So many stupid posts on this thread but this one is probably the most stupid.
Yes UKIP are concerned with the level of immigration from the EU due to the numbers involved, but they are the only party that says we let the commonwealth down badly when we joined the common market, and that we should renew all ties with them, and that includes all the non white bits as well. Far from racist, but then that's what your type call realism, isn't it?
And on your point of racism - can you explain Farage's distinction of the "white working class"? Not to mention various other comments by other loony members.

And presumably these ties that UKIP want to renew - are they only available to heterosexuals? They deny equal rights to individuals because of their sexuality after all.

Whatever you say they're an extremist party, blaming the UK's problems on a small number of the population. They're scaremongering and have no track record of doing anything positive.
He also said that EU migration was also taking jobs from Afro Caribbean descended Brits so is that racism?
Shut up. You're just picking an argument now. You often make valid points then belittle your own arguments by scraping at the bottom of the barrel with comments like this.

No it's not racist, it's his view, his opinion. It's racist to blame the UK's problems on anybody not born in Britain and to distinguish the "white working class" from any other person in the country.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?! Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.[/p][/quote]So many stupid posts on this thread but this one is probably the most stupid. Yes UKIP are concerned with the level of immigration from the EU due to the numbers involved, but they are the only party that says we let the commonwealth down badly when we joined the common market, and that we should renew all ties with them, and that includes all the non white bits as well. Far from racist, but then that's what your type call realism, isn't it?[/p][/quote]And on your point of racism - can you explain Farage's distinction of the "white working class"? Not to mention various other comments by other loony members. And presumably these ties that UKIP want to renew - are they only available to heterosexuals? They deny equal rights to individuals because of their sexuality after all. Whatever you say they're an extremist party, blaming the UK's problems on a small number of the population. They're scaremongering and have no track record of doing anything positive.[/p][/quote]He also said that EU migration was also taking jobs from Afro Caribbean descended Brits so is that racism?[/p][/quote]Shut up. You're just picking an argument now. You often make valid points then belittle your own arguments by scraping at the bottom of the barrel with comments like this. No it's not racist, it's his view, his opinion. It's racist to blame the UK's problems on anybody not born in Britain and to distinguish the "white working class" from any other person in the country. sotonboy84
  • Score: -2

7:33am Tue 6 May 14

loosehead says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?!

Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.
So many stupid posts on this thread but this one is probably the most stupid.
Yes UKIP are concerned with the level of immigration from the EU due to the numbers involved, but they are the only party that says we let the commonwealth down badly when we joined the common market, and that we should renew all ties with them, and that includes all the non white bits as well. Far from racist, but then that's what your type call realism, isn't it?
And on your point of racism - can you explain Farage's distinction of the "white working class"? Not to mention various other comments by other loony members.

And presumably these ties that UKIP want to renew - are they only available to heterosexuals? They deny equal rights to individuals because of their sexuality after all.

Whatever you say they're an extremist party, blaming the UK's problems on a small number of the population. They're scaremongering and have no track record of doing anything positive.
He also said that EU migration was also taking jobs from Afro Caribbean descended Brits so is that racism?
Shut up. You're just picking an argument now. You often make valid points then belittle your own arguments by scraping at the bottom of the barrel with comments like this.

No it's not racist, it's his view, his opinion. It's racist to blame the UK's problems on anybody not born in Britain and to distinguish the "white working class" from any other person in the country.
I'm not looking for an argument I vote Tory but I will argue against anyone who comes out with the racist argument.
Let's look at the truth,UKIP are/have taken votes from the Tories,UKIP came close to taking a Liberal seat, UKIP are now saying they're going for Labour votes.
With their popularity all three main parties are worried & the Pro EU party the Liberal party could be sank without a trace.
Labour's leader isn't listening & won't give a referendum & loves the EU so they're worried they'll go the Lib Dem way,
Then you have my Tory Party which has already lost votes to UKIP but has woken up to the fact that a large proportion of the electorate want to trade but not belong to the EU so are offering a referendum.
the up coming EU elections won't be a true reflection on what the vote would be in a general election but if UKIP win it this might persuade more Labour voters of anti EU persuasion to vote UKIP so now out comes all the mud slinging.
I want elections based on the policies & performances of the Parties not by racist calls or any other under the belt name calling.
This is not looking for an argument but wanting a level playing field .
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?! Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.[/p][/quote]So many stupid posts on this thread but this one is probably the most stupid. Yes UKIP are concerned with the level of immigration from the EU due to the numbers involved, but they are the only party that says we let the commonwealth down badly when we joined the common market, and that we should renew all ties with them, and that includes all the non white bits as well. Far from racist, but then that's what your type call realism, isn't it?[/p][/quote]And on your point of racism - can you explain Farage's distinction of the "white working class"? Not to mention various other comments by other loony members. And presumably these ties that UKIP want to renew - are they only available to heterosexuals? They deny equal rights to individuals because of their sexuality after all. Whatever you say they're an extremist party, blaming the UK's problems on a small number of the population. They're scaremongering and have no track record of doing anything positive.[/p][/quote]He also said that EU migration was also taking jobs from Afro Caribbean descended Brits so is that racism?[/p][/quote]Shut up. You're just picking an argument now. You often make valid points then belittle your own arguments by scraping at the bottom of the barrel with comments like this. No it's not racist, it's his view, his opinion. It's racist to blame the UK's problems on anybody not born in Britain and to distinguish the "white working class" from any other person in the country.[/p][/quote]I'm not looking for an argument I vote Tory but I will argue against anyone who comes out with the racist argument. Let's look at the truth,UKIP are/have taken votes from the Tories,UKIP came close to taking a Liberal seat, UKIP are now saying they're going for Labour votes. With their popularity all three main parties are worried & the Pro EU party the Liberal party could be sank without a trace. Labour's leader isn't listening & won't give a referendum & loves the EU so they're worried they'll go the Lib Dem way, Then you have my Tory Party which has already lost votes to UKIP but has woken up to the fact that a large proportion of the electorate want to trade but not belong to the EU so are offering a referendum. the up coming EU elections won't be a true reflection on what the vote would be in a general election but if UKIP win it this might persuade more Labour voters of anti EU persuasion to vote UKIP so now out comes all the mud slinging. I want elections based on the policies & performances of the Parties not by racist calls or any other under the belt name calling. This is not looking for an argument but wanting a level playing field . loosehead
  • Score: 0

10:12am Tue 6 May 14

skeptik says...

As pointed out during a debate on business on the World Service with a panel of businessmen, 'if the UK does leave the EU which of it's major businesses -domestic and how many will still be owned by companies in the EU, Asian or other trading blocks. Will those in the UK be allowed to undercut the workforce of these companies in these blocks? We have taken sides- in or out yet there are so many questions that have not been addressed - it will be alright seems to be the outlook.
As pointed out during a debate on business on the World Service with a panel of businessmen, 'if the UK does leave the EU which of it's major businesses -domestic and how many will still be owned by companies in the EU, Asian or other trading blocks. Will those in the UK be allowed to undercut the workforce of these companies in these blocks? We have taken sides- in or out yet there are so many questions that have not been addressed - it will be alright seems to be the outlook. skeptik
  • Score: 1

11:05am Tue 6 May 14

cliffwalker says...

"Many people ignore history and believe it's all in the past and that because it's happened, it won't happen again.

Look at present day Russia for example with their treatment of homosexuals. Atrocities can happen and do and voting UKIP will just be pointing the finger of blame at another group of people."

As Hegel said, the only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history.
"Many people ignore history and believe it's all in the past and that because it's happened, it won't happen again. Look at present day Russia for example with their treatment of homosexuals. Atrocities can happen and do and voting UKIP will just be pointing the finger of blame at another group of people." As Hegel said, the only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history. cliffwalker
  • Score: -3

11:51am Tue 6 May 14

Inform Al says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
skeptik wrote:
The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.
Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.
The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to.

As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not.

He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage.

Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual.

I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.
So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist?
He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years,
we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not?
Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide?
By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party.
Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?
You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?!

Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.
So many stupid posts on this thread but this one is probably the most stupid.
Yes UKIP are concerned with the level of immigration from the EU due to the numbers involved, but they are the only party that says we let the commonwealth down badly when we joined the common market, and that we should renew all ties with them, and that includes all the non white bits as well. Far from racist, but then that's what your type call realism, isn't it?
And on your point of racism - can you explain Farage's distinction of the "white working class"? Not to mention various other comments by other loony members.

And presumably these ties that UKIP want to renew - are they only available to heterosexuals? They deny equal rights to individuals because of their sexuality after all.

Whatever you say they're an extremist party, blaming the UK's problems on a small number of the population. They're scaremongering and have no track record of doing anything positive.
Rubbish again, the comment used was indigenous citizens, only those that wish to lie would see indigenous as white. If you think UKIP do not wish to renew our relationship with the commonwealth perhaps you should ask Pearline Hingston UKIP's Southampton Test leader what her view is, as she is of West Indian origin and supports the party's line. It is no longer a small number of the population that are taking our jobs, and it is getting bigger every day.
So all indigenous people of the UK are white and working class? If this is what he meant, why didn't the just say the indigenous people of the UK? It's because that's not what he meant and your picking things apart to find the answer you want rather than seeing the truth.

So UKIP have a black member, it doesn't mean other members and their polices cannot be racist.
Just as members of the other parties are racist you mean? There are no racist UKIP policies, quite the reverse UKIP want the best for all of us living in the UK, not just the few rich s0ds who are using the EU to get richer at our expense.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The wonder of the internet - we can look up a topic on several sites and cross reference until we are reasonably happy we are near the truth. Since 1966 the cases framed against the UK in the courts of human rights 97% deemed inadmissible of the remaining 3% - 1 in 50 were decided against the UK. Now if we also scan a selection of newspaper headlines some are nothing short of blatant lies. One claimed one on four! Whatever view people have - it would be hoped they based it on facts which are freely available.[/p][/quote]Regrettably, people's opinions are rarely changed by simple evidence - it needs something much more dramatic to affect a strongly held faith. Dictators and tyrants have always known that a quick way to get the support of the masses is to offer an external threat to livelihood or life.[/p][/quote]The external threat Farage is bleating is immigration. Hitler's was Jews. Amazing similarities between the two parties and just as the German's were, many people on here are blind to the party's real motives and what a vote for them could lead to. As I've said before on here, Farage is on record for saying immigration is damaging the "white working class". He distinguishes people by the colour of their skin, regardless of being British or not. He supports civil partnerships for homosexual's but not marriage. Equal rights are denied unless you're white, British born and heterosexual. I think the term "racist" is one of the last names that the party needs to worry about being called.[/p][/quote]So Alex Salmond bleating on about not being treated as equals by the English isn't racist? He wants to break up this country(group) that has been going for hundreds of years, we had Scottish kings,we've fought in many wars & as a United Kingdom we stood against Germany yet no one calls the SNP racist so why not? Farage & UKIP want to trade with Europe but doesn't want to be in Europe how can you compare him to Hitler ? Does Farage at any time say commit genocide? By even suggesting UKIP is the same as Germany's National socialist party is wrong as many of UKIP's members have fought for democracy & I'm a Tory who's totally disgusted with any poster who compares UKIP with any type of Nazi party. Is Southy's Party the same as the Khmer Rouge(Pol Pot)?[/p][/quote]You're clutching at straws a little. You can't compare Scotland wanting to be an independent country to a political party that blame the UK's problems on immigration, differentiate between people because the of the colour of their skin and deny equality to homosexuals. And brining back smoking in pubs - what the hell is that all about?! Hitler didn't commit genocide when he was climbing to power and brainwashing people. He was blaming the country's troubles on a group of the population who shared the same religion. Farage is blaming the UK's problems on immigration and scaremongering people in the UK.[/p][/quote]So many stupid posts on this thread but this one is probably the most stupid. Yes UKIP are concerned with the level of immigration from the EU due to the numbers involved, but they are the only party that says we let the commonwealth down badly when we joined the common market, and that we should renew all ties with them, and that includes all the non white bits as well. Far from racist, but then that's what your type call realism, isn't it?[/p][/quote]And on your point of racism - can you explain Farage's distinction of the "white working class"? Not to mention various other comments by other loony members. And presumably these ties that UKIP want to renew - are they only available to heterosexuals? They deny equal rights to individuals because of their sexuality after all. Whatever you say they're an extremist party, blaming the UK's problems on a small number of the population. They're scaremongering and have no track record of doing anything positive.[/p][/quote]Rubbish again, the comment used was indigenous citizens, only those that wish to lie would see indigenous as white. If you think UKIP do not wish to renew our relationship with the commonwealth perhaps you should ask Pearline Hingston UKIP's Southampton Test leader what her view is, as she is of West Indian origin and supports the party's line. It is no longer a small number of the population that are taking our jobs, and it is getting bigger every day.[/p][/quote]So all indigenous people of the UK are white and working class? If this is what he meant, why didn't the just say the indigenous people of the UK? It's because that's not what he meant and your picking things apart to find the answer you want rather than seeing the truth. So UKIP have a black member, it doesn't mean other members and their polices cannot be racist.[/p][/quote]Just as members of the other parties are racist you mean? There are no racist UKIP policies, quite the reverse UKIP want the best for all of us living in the UK, not just the few rich s0ds who are using the EU to get richer at our expense. Inform Al
  • Score: 6

11:54am Fri 9 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Orwell's Ghost wrote:
Labour chose to adopt an open door immigration policy partly for ideological reasons and partly because it was their rich capitalist donors wanted a cheaper supply of labour. The result for the working class has been a disaster, lower pay and conditions, more pressure on State housing, health care and education, increased rents in the private sector, not to mention the environmental damage caused by massive migration's carbon footprint. The middle and upper classes have benefitted from cheaper goods and services and guess what? These are the classes that politicians belong to. The Left will realise after the election that criticism of mass immigration is not based on racism, but on the simple economics of demand and supply.
Includes the middle class as well. Moving, or fleeing, from Southampton and Bournemouth to the areas in between means higher property prices, and our services are supplied by the indigenous locals, at the same price as before. De-coupling from the EU will be Reformation 2, but without the violence. You see the papacy was just like the EU, autocratic. We don't want an autocracy running our country now , any more than the rather charmless Henry VIII did. But I prefer Nigel to Hennery.
[quote][p][bold]Orwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Labour chose to adopt an open door immigration policy partly for ideological reasons and partly because it was their rich capitalist donors wanted a cheaper supply of labour. The result for the working class has been a disaster, lower pay and conditions, more pressure on State housing, health care and education, increased rents in the private sector, not to mention the environmental damage caused by massive migration's carbon footprint. The middle and upper classes have benefitted from cheaper goods and services and guess what? These are the classes that politicians belong to. The Left will realise after the election that criticism of mass immigration is not based on racism, but on the simple economics of demand and supply.[/p][/quote]Includes the middle class as well. Moving, or fleeing, from Southampton and Bournemouth to the areas in between means higher property prices, and our services are supplied by the indigenous locals, at the same price as before. De-coupling from the EU will be Reformation 2, but without the violence. You see the papacy was just like the EU, autocratic. We don't want an autocracy running our country now , any more than the rather charmless Henry VIII did. But I prefer Nigel to Hennery. Dai Rear
  • Score: 0

9:06pm Fri 9 May 14

Pettle says...

skeptik wrote:
Firstly - it will not be which party reduces well paid employment - technology is well on it's way to the unmanned office - some claim reductions of 36% in office staff across the nation by the end of the decade. Secondly - British, some areas of the British Isles can claim to contain more of an indigenous population - just. Would England be able to say that? Germanic, Scandinavian, Roman, Norman - many know the list - some might say this anti Europe stance is denying the ancestry of the 'English'.
That's an old outdated myth and idea that is completely wrong. People from England are the same as Scotland and Wales. Germanic, Scandinavian etc..., were a dominant minority over us. The ancestry of English is the same as the other made up nations in the British nation, the Briton! That's why mostly in part, Scotland has nationalism and Wales too, to feel different. To think this Country could break up over myths and people being manipulated by politicians like salmond is tragic.

Incidently, we have never recieved apologies from those Germanic, Scandinavians, Scotti (dominant Irish who gave their name to Britons in that area), Roman, Norman etc, for dividing our Country. But we have done this for so many others.
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: Firstly - it will not be which party reduces well paid employment - technology is well on it's way to the unmanned office - some claim reductions of 36% in office staff across the nation by the end of the decade. Secondly - British, some areas of the British Isles can claim to contain more of an indigenous population - just. Would England be able to say that? Germanic, Scandinavian, Roman, Norman - many know the list - some might say this anti Europe stance is denying the ancestry of the 'English'.[/p][/quote]That's an old outdated myth and idea that is completely wrong. People from England are the same as Scotland and Wales. Germanic, Scandinavian etc..., were a dominant minority over us. The ancestry of English is the same as the other made up nations in the British nation, the Briton! That's why mostly in part, Scotland has nationalism and Wales too, to feel different. To think this Country could break up over myths and people being manipulated by politicians like salmond is tragic. Incidently, we have never recieved apologies from those Germanic, Scandinavians, Scotti (dominant Irish who gave their name to Britons in that area), Roman, Norman etc, for dividing our Country. But we have done this for so many others. Pettle
  • Score: 0

9:50pm Fri 9 May 14

Pettle says...

Quizbook wrote:
Is this how far the Labour Party have sunk ?

Ukip are a backward looking, unrealistic, revival of the old Empire Loyalists from the 1950s.

Get your head round the fact that people are more mobile nowadays. Well over a million and a half British people now live in EU states. If we leave the Eu and expel EU citizens, do you think the other EU nations will not send our people packing as well ?

Leaving The EU would devastate the British economy. Whatever you do, dont vote for Ukip - or Labour either come to that !
I think, no I know, you are a eu empire loyalist. The rest you come out with is pure comedy. Can you explain the rest of your complete tosh.
[quote][p][bold]Quizbook[/bold] wrote: Is this how far the Labour Party have sunk ? Ukip are a backward looking, unrealistic, revival of the old Empire Loyalists from the 1950s. Get your head round the fact that people are more mobile nowadays. Well over a million and a half British people now live in EU states. If we leave the Eu and expel EU citizens, do you think the other EU nations will not send our people packing as well ? Leaving The EU would devastate the British economy. Whatever you do, dont vote for Ukip - or Labour either come to that ![/p][/quote]I think, no I know, you are a eu empire loyalist. The rest you come out with is pure comedy. Can you explain the rest of your complete tosh. Pettle
  • Score: 0

8:03am Sat 10 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Pettle wrote:
Quizbook wrote:
Is this how far the Labour Party have sunk ?

Ukip are a backward looking, unrealistic, revival of the old Empire Loyalists from the 1950s.

Get your head round the fact that people are more mobile nowadays. Well over a million and a half British people now live in EU states. If we leave the Eu and expel EU citizens, do you think the other EU nations will not send our people packing as well ?

Leaving The EU would devastate the British economy. Whatever you do, dont vote for Ukip - or Labour either come to that !
I think, no I know, you are a eu empire loyalist. The rest you come out with is pure comedy. Can you explain the rest of your complete tosh.
The million and a half living in EU states is trotted out frequently. They are mostly retirees living in Spain. Spain can't afford to chuck them out so dinna fret. If we expel Roumanian "Big Issue" sellers or Slovakian pikeys, will France and Germany expel Brit academics, engineers, financiers? Guess. Will we get lots of Syrians, Afghans, Iraqis, if Turkey accedes to the EU? Guess. "Devastate the economy" is standard ex cathedra Heseltine type stuff. If our economy suffers as much damage as the Swiss economy from not being in the EU then count me out
[quote][p][bold]Pettle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quizbook[/bold] wrote: Is this how far the Labour Party have sunk ? Ukip are a backward looking, unrealistic, revival of the old Empire Loyalists from the 1950s. Get your head round the fact that people are more mobile nowadays. Well over a million and a half British people now live in EU states. If we leave the Eu and expel EU citizens, do you think the other EU nations will not send our people packing as well ? Leaving The EU would devastate the British economy. Whatever you do, dont vote for Ukip - or Labour either come to that ![/p][/quote]I think, no I know, you are a eu empire loyalist. The rest you come out with is pure comedy. Can you explain the rest of your complete tosh.[/p][/quote]The million and a half living in EU states is trotted out frequently. They are mostly retirees living in Spain. Spain can't afford to chuck them out so dinna fret. If we expel Roumanian "Big Issue" sellers or Slovakian pikeys, will France and Germany expel Brit academics, engineers, financiers? Guess. Will we get lots of Syrians, Afghans, Iraqis, if Turkey accedes to the EU? Guess. "Devastate the economy" is standard ex cathedra Heseltine type stuff. If our economy suffers as much damage as the Swiss economy from not being in the EU then count me out Dai Rear
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