High drama as UKIP win seat and Labour, Tories and Lib Dems all celebrate

High drama as UKIP win seat and  Labour, Tories and Lib Dems all celebrate

High drama as UKIP win seat and Labour, Tories and Lib Dems all celebrate

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IIT was a night of high drama and shocks in council elections across the south.

The votes are in and councils across Hampshire are now in place.

There was shock in Southampton as the city's Liberal Democrat leader Adrian Vinson lost his Portswood seat to Conservative Paul O'Neill.

Southampton City Council leader Simon Letts retained his seat in Bitterne, fending off a challenge from UKIP's Thomas Collier.

Daily Echo:

Keith Morrell (above) made history by becoming the first independent councillor on Southampton City Council after winning the Coxford ward.

There is also a recount later today for the two seats up for grabs in Millbrook after a recount fail to separate the candidates.

In Eastleigh, the Liberal Democrats managed to fend off a UKIP surge by regaining all the party's seats.

Further history was made in Fareham as 24-year-old Christopher Wood (pictured top) become the first UKIP councillor elected onto Fareham Borough Council after he won the Stubbington ward.

The Liberal Democrats lost control of Portsmouth as Ukip gained six seats.

The under-fire MP Mike Hancock has lost his council seat ion the council after attempting to be re-elected as an independent.

Mr Hancock, who was suspended from the Liberal Democrat party in January, lost his Fratton seat on the city council to Ukip's Julie Swan.

There was no Lib Dem candidate in the contest.
Mr Hancock was first elected on to Portsmouth City Council in 1971 and has represented Fratton since 1973.

The Portsmouth South MP sits in Parliament as an independent as he faces a civil case for alleged sexual assault.

 

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7:39am Fri 23 May 14

Rockhopper says...

The political earthquake has arrived UKIP seats up up up.
The UKIP fox is in the Westminster hen house.
The political earthquake has arrived UKIP seats up up up. The UKIP fox is in the Westminster hen house. Rockhopper
  • Score: -21

7:48am Fri 23 May 14

Rockhopper says...

Thank you to all those who voted >>> UKIP.
The only vote that will take back control of our country.
Thank you to all those who voted >>> UKIP. The only vote that will take back control of our country. Rockhopper
  • Score: -16

8:01am Fri 23 May 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Congratulations to Keith Morrell. Great win in Coxford in Independent campaign organised by exceptionally hard working popular and highly principled Councillor Don Thomas.

Both of them have shown the comittment to fight against ruthless cuts in services, destruction of the jobs and standing by people who elected them when they suffered due to cowardly and unprincipled decisions implemented by Thatcherised NuLabour run Southampton under the leadership of slippery Simon Letts, who one time used to pretend to be a lefty socialist, but when in power has shamelessly cut many services and destroyed jobs, which had survived even the nasty bonfire under the Tories.

Keith's win in Coxford has proved that us the ordinary people admire and support those with proven record of hard work and have faith in alternatives to the damaging right wing policies of Conservatised NuLabour, which has betrayed virtually all the good values of old Labour Party.

If those who had been busy attacking and even insulting Don and Keith (As slippery Simon Letts himself and his poodles and puppets in Council Chamber have often done and many NuLabourites along with right wingers have done on this site) have any sense of fairness left in their arrogant rightwing and opportunist blood they should do the decent thing, because apologising for their nastiness may be too much of humiliation and not their style, but they should stop those vile attacks and start showing the respect to Don and Keith as representatives of us the ordinary people of Coxford Ward.

Expecting Miliband led mob to follow the socialist path shown by Don and Keith may be too much to ask, but for the sake of the good brand name of Labour Party, which de facto Thatcher's political children exploit for misleading the voters, I must recommend that in good socialist faith.
Congratulations to Keith Morrell. Great win in Coxford in Independent campaign organised by exceptionally hard working popular and highly principled Councillor Don Thomas. Both of them have shown the comittment to fight against ruthless cuts in services, destruction of the jobs and standing by people who elected them when they suffered due to cowardly and unprincipled decisions implemented by Thatcherised NuLabour run Southampton under the leadership of slippery Simon Letts, who one time used to pretend to be a lefty socialist, but when in power has shamelessly cut many services and destroyed jobs, which had survived even the nasty bonfire under the Tories. Keith's win in Coxford has proved that us the ordinary people admire and support those with proven record of hard work and have faith in alternatives to the damaging right wing policies of Conservatised NuLabour, which has betrayed virtually all the good values of old Labour Party. If those who had been busy attacking and even insulting Don and Keith (As slippery Simon Letts himself and his poodles and puppets in Council Chamber have often done and many NuLabourites along with right wingers have done on this site) have any sense of fairness left in their arrogant rightwing and opportunist blood they should do the decent thing, because apologising for their nastiness may be too much of humiliation and not their style, but they should stop those vile attacks and start showing the respect to Don and Keith as representatives of us the ordinary people of Coxford Ward. Expecting Miliband led mob to follow the socialist path shown by Don and Keith may be too much to ask, but for the sake of the good brand name of Labour Party, which de facto Thatcher's political children exploit for misleading the voters, I must recommend that in good socialist faith. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -1

8:13am Fri 23 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Yes, let's wait for Sunday but looking good. UKIP might be denounced as poujadist by the left which currently "rools" in our country but France having rejected poujadism, has become the sclerotic basket case we see now. If the 2 main parties learn some lessons and produce some coherent policy about the governance and "occupation" of our country then the old Popey might be making him Saint Nige about 2070. Who knows?
Yes, let's wait for Sunday but looking good. UKIP might be denounced as poujadist by the left which currently "rools" in our country but France having rejected poujadism, has become the sclerotic basket case we see now. If the 2 main parties learn some lessons and produce some coherent policy about the governance and "occupation" of our country then the old Popey might be making him Saint Nige about 2070. Who knows? Dai Rear
  • Score: -23

8:18am Fri 23 May 14

Linesman says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Congratulations to Keith Morrell. Great win in Coxford in Independent campaign organised by exceptionally hard working popular and highly principled Councillor Don Thomas.

Both of them have shown the comittment to fight against ruthless cuts in services, destruction of the jobs and standing by people who elected them when they suffered due to cowardly and unprincipled decisions implemented by Thatcherised NuLabour run Southampton under the leadership of slippery Simon Letts, who one time used to pretend to be a lefty socialist, but when in power has shamelessly cut many services and destroyed jobs, which had survived even the nasty bonfire under the Tories.

Keith's win in Coxford has proved that us the ordinary people admire and support those with proven record of hard work and have faith in alternatives to the damaging right wing policies of Conservatised NuLabour, which has betrayed virtually all the good values of old Labour Party.

If those who had been busy attacking and even insulting Don and Keith (As slippery Simon Letts himself and his poodles and puppets in Council Chamber have often done and many NuLabourites along with right wingers have done on this site) have any sense of fairness left in their arrogant rightwing and opportunist blood they should do the decent thing, because apologising for their nastiness may be too much of humiliation and not their style, but they should stop those vile attacks and start showing the respect to Don and Keith as representatives of us the ordinary people of Coxford Ward.

Expecting Miliband led mob to follow the socialist path shown by Don and Keith may be too much to ask, but for the sake of the good brand name of Labour Party, which de facto Thatcher's political children exploit for misleading the voters, I must recommend that in good socialist faith.
As an Independent, he and Thomas can promise the moon, knowing that in their position they would never be in a position to be expected to deliver.

Nobody wants cuts to services, but when the money is not available, then cuts have to be made some place, which is something that they, apparently, fail to comprehend, or explain how they would deal with the situation.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Congratulations to Keith Morrell. Great win in Coxford in Independent campaign organised by exceptionally hard working popular and highly principled Councillor Don Thomas. Both of them have shown the comittment to fight against ruthless cuts in services, destruction of the jobs and standing by people who elected them when they suffered due to cowardly and unprincipled decisions implemented by Thatcherised NuLabour run Southampton under the leadership of slippery Simon Letts, who one time used to pretend to be a lefty socialist, but when in power has shamelessly cut many services and destroyed jobs, which had survived even the nasty bonfire under the Tories. Keith's win in Coxford has proved that us the ordinary people admire and support those with proven record of hard work and have faith in alternatives to the damaging right wing policies of Conservatised NuLabour, which has betrayed virtually all the good values of old Labour Party. If those who had been busy attacking and even insulting Don and Keith (As slippery Simon Letts himself and his poodles and puppets in Council Chamber have often done and many NuLabourites along with right wingers have done on this site) have any sense of fairness left in their arrogant rightwing and opportunist blood they should do the decent thing, because apologising for their nastiness may be too much of humiliation and not their style, but they should stop those vile attacks and start showing the respect to Don and Keith as representatives of us the ordinary people of Coxford Ward. Expecting Miliband led mob to follow the socialist path shown by Don and Keith may be too much to ask, but for the sake of the good brand name of Labour Party, which de facto Thatcher's political children exploit for misleading the voters, I must recommend that in good socialist faith.[/p][/quote]As an Independent, he and Thomas can promise the moon, knowing that in their position they would never be in a position to be expected to deliver. Nobody wants cuts to services, but when the money is not available, then cuts have to be made some place, which is something that they, apparently, fail to comprehend, or explain how they would deal with the situation. Linesman
  • Score: 10

8:19am Fri 23 May 14

aldermoorboy says...

Well done to all those who stood in these elections, it is not easy standing for what you believe and losing, but all you that have lost have won because you make democracy great and one day your time may come.
Tories won 8 of the 16 seats, not bad, without UKIP we may have done better.
Sadly from my point of view we still have Labour in control, so no great council, but at least no smearing or lying this time.
Total respect for all candidates that stood worked hard and stood up for their beliefs.
Well done to all those who stood in these elections, it is not easy standing for what you believe and losing, but all you that have lost have won because you make democracy great and one day your time may come. Tories won 8 of the 16 seats, not bad, without UKIP we may have done better. Sadly from my point of view we still have Labour in control, so no great council, but at least no smearing or lying this time. Total respect for all candidates that stood worked hard and stood up for their beliefs. aldermoorboy
  • Score: 11

8:30am Fri 23 May 14

KSO16R says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Yes, let's wait for Sunday but looking good. UKIP might be denounced as poujadist by the left which currently "rools" in our country but France having rejected poujadism, has become the sclerotic basket case we see now. If the 2 main parties learn some lessons and produce some coherent policy about the governance and "occupation" of our country then the old Popey might be making him Saint Nige about 2070. Who knows?
Reads . . yawns . . .carries on dating breakfast
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Yes, let's wait for Sunday but looking good. UKIP might be denounced as poujadist by the left which currently "rools" in our country but France having rejected poujadism, has become the sclerotic basket case we see now. If the 2 main parties learn some lessons and produce some coherent policy about the governance and "occupation" of our country then the old Popey might be making him Saint Nige about 2070. Who knows?[/p][/quote]Reads . . yawns . . .carries on dating breakfast KSO16R
  • Score: 1

8:35am Fri 23 May 14

skeptik says...

Nothing changes - after elections party chairmen/women telling us that although they have lost the others have not done well. The entrée is over the main course to be served up Sunday/Monday.
Nothing changes - after elections party chairmen/women telling us that although they have lost the others have not done well. The entrée is over the main course to be served up Sunday/Monday. skeptik
  • Score: 1

8:45am Fri 23 May 14

Hampshire Corn and Bread says...

I had the opportunity to talk to Christopher Wood when he was canvassing in a very wet & windy Stubbington earlier in the year. Not only his stoicism in the conditions but also his enthusiasm was very heartening. Good luck to him & well done.
I had the opportunity to talk to Christopher Wood when he was canvassing in a very wet & windy Stubbington earlier in the year. Not only his stoicism in the conditions but also his enthusiasm was very heartening. Good luck to him & well done. Hampshire Corn and Bread
  • Score: 0

8:46am Fri 23 May 14

Redhaired22 says...

People have let their Xenophobia get in the way of reason.....
http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2613565/Polish-invas
ion-thats-SAVED-home
-town-An-influx-25-0
00-Poles-left-Southa
mptons-schools-burst
ing-locals-feeling-p
ushed-But-BARBARA-DA
VIES-grew-theres-sto
ry.html

I'm the first one to slate the DM, but they actually came up with this balanced story! But of course it doesn't make good press, even the Echo have failed to run with it, and they're the same media group..... How about we promote what is good about being in Europe, how it helps our country, and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere? one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance. By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you!
People have let their Xenophobia get in the way of reason..... http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2613565/Polish-invas ion-thats-SAVED-home -town-An-influx-25-0 00-Poles-left-Southa mptons-schools-burst ing-locals-feeling-p ushed-But-BARBARA-DA VIES-grew-theres-sto ry.html I'm the first one to slate the DM, but they actually came up with this balanced story! But of course it doesn't make good press, even the Echo have failed to run with it, and they're the same media group..... How about we promote what is good about being in Europe, how it helps our country, and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere? one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance. By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you! Redhaired22
  • Score: 10

8:47am Fri 23 May 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

As a socialist who believe in the values of Labour I may not have any time for NuLabour but for personal reasons I am glad that Hannah Coombs has won in Shirley, because she is the daughter of my friend and I know that she will keep on helping people, which is her nature and what she had been doing for few years while working in the office of our hard working MP Alan Whitehead's office.

NuLabour's success in Shirley, which used to be a strong Tory ward is the proof that those who work hard helping the people in their problems with the pen pushers and communicate with them properly, can succeed in winning respect of those who may not have shared their views.

That approach of Alan Whitehead MP and Cllr. Satvir Kaur in Shirley has contributed to Hannah's victory in Shirley and always helpful in case work of his constituents John Denham and local Councillor Bogle's work has won Bargate for NuLabour.

Same is the reason for Tory Cllr. Smith keep on winning in Harefield, which Alan Lloyd through sheer hard work had turned into a safe Labour ward, but the NuLabourites expelled him from their Group because like Don and Keith he always stood solid with people of his ward. After that nobody was there to listen to the people apart from demanding votes at election times. So Royston Smith, whose political views I am not ever likely to support, spotted the opportunity, worked hard and made it a Tory area.

Will these NuLabourites ever learn from their arrogant foolish and suicidal decisions and Toffs styles when dealing with ordinary people??? I think addiction to arrogance and Thatcherism and arrogance has become part of the the DNA of New Labour Beast
As a socialist who believe in the values of Labour I may not have any time for NuLabour but for personal reasons I am glad that Hannah Coombs has won in Shirley, because she is the daughter of my friend and I know that she will keep on helping people, which is her nature and what she had been doing for few years while working in the office of our hard working MP Alan Whitehead's office. NuLabour's success in Shirley, which used to be a strong Tory ward is the proof that those who work hard helping the people in their problems with the pen pushers and communicate with them properly, can succeed in winning respect of those who may not have shared their views. That approach of Alan Whitehead MP and Cllr. Satvir Kaur in Shirley has contributed to Hannah's victory in Shirley and always helpful in case work of his constituents John Denham and local Councillor Bogle's work has won Bargate for NuLabour. Same is the reason for Tory Cllr. Smith keep on winning in Harefield, which Alan Lloyd through sheer hard work had turned into a safe Labour ward, but the NuLabourites expelled him from their Group because like Don and Keith he always stood solid with people of his ward. After that nobody was there to listen to the people apart from demanding votes at election times. So Royston Smith, whose political views I am not ever likely to support, spotted the opportunity, worked hard and made it a Tory area. Will these NuLabourites ever learn from their arrogant foolish and suicidal decisions and Toffs styles when dealing with ordinary people??? I think addiction to arrogance and Thatcherism and arrogance has become part of the the DNA of New Labour Beast Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -1

8:50am Fri 23 May 14

Dai Rear says...

KSO16R wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Yes, let's wait for Sunday but looking good. UKIP might be denounced as poujadist by the left which currently "rools" in our country but France having rejected poujadism, has become the sclerotic basket case we see now. If the 2 main parties learn some lessons and produce some coherent policy about the governance and "occupation" of our country then the old Popey might be making him Saint Nige about 2070. Who knows?
Reads . . yawns . . .carries on dating breakfast
There are good dating websites, apparently, if you get fed up with intimacy with your cornflake.
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Yes, let's wait for Sunday but looking good. UKIP might be denounced as poujadist by the left which currently "rools" in our country but France having rejected poujadism, has become the sclerotic basket case we see now. If the 2 main parties learn some lessons and produce some coherent policy about the governance and "occupation" of our country then the old Popey might be making him Saint Nige about 2070. Who knows?[/p][/quote]Reads . . yawns . . .carries on dating breakfast[/p][/quote]There are good dating websites, apparently, if you get fed up with intimacy with your cornflake. Dai Rear
  • Score: 10

8:54am Fri 23 May 14

Linesman says...

Dai Rear wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Yes, let's wait for Sunday but looking good. UKIP might be denounced as poujadist by the left which currently "rools" in our country but France having rejected poujadism, has become the sclerotic basket case we see now. If the 2 main parties learn some lessons and produce some coherent policy about the governance and "occupation" of our country then the old Popey might be making him Saint Nige about 2070. Who knows?
Reads . . yawns . . .carries on dating breakfast
There are good dating websites, apparently, if you get fed up with intimacy with your cornflake.
Agreed, but they have not got the same 'snap, crackle and pop.'
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Yes, let's wait for Sunday but looking good. UKIP might be denounced as poujadist by the left which currently "rools" in our country but France having rejected poujadism, has become the sclerotic basket case we see now. If the 2 main parties learn some lessons and produce some coherent policy about the governance and "occupation" of our country then the old Popey might be making him Saint Nige about 2070. Who knows?[/p][/quote]Reads . . yawns . . .carries on dating breakfast[/p][/quote]There are good dating websites, apparently, if you get fed up with intimacy with your cornflake.[/p][/quote]Agreed, but they have not got the same 'snap, crackle and pop.' Linesman
  • Score: 6

8:59am Fri 23 May 14

freefinker says...

Well, didn't TUSC do badly?
Their only bright spot was in Redbridge where they deselected southy and put in someone else.
And congratulations to Keith in Coxford, but as Linesman says the likes of him and TUSC can promise whatever because they will never obtain power.
And my prediction that the Greens would beat TUSC in every ward where they competed has come true, again.
Well, didn't TUSC do badly? Their only bright spot was in Redbridge where they deselected southy and put in someone else. And congratulations to Keith in Coxford, but as Linesman says the likes of him and TUSC can promise whatever because they will never obtain power. And my prediction that the Greens would beat TUSC in every ward where they competed has come true, again. freefinker
  • Score: 7

9:06am Fri 23 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Redhaired22 wrote:
People have let their Xenophobia get in the way of reason.....
http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

2613565/Polish-invas

ion-thats-SAVED-home

-town-An-influx-25-0

00-Poles-left-Southa

mptons-schools-burst

ing-locals-feeling-p

ushed-But-BARBARA-DA

VIES-grew-theres-sto

ry.html

I'm the first one to slate the DM, but they actually came up with this balanced story! But of course it doesn't make good press, even the Echo have failed to run with it, and they're the same media group..... How about we promote what is good about being in Europe, how it helps our country, and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere? one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance. By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you!
..... "How about we promote what is good about being in Europe"-we are in Europe. It is the autocracy called the EU of which the majority do not wish to be members. "how it helps our country". The EU helps itself. WE are net contributors and gain no benefit and much detriment in the form of over-regulation. "and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? "No. They would continue to be employed there, just as would have been the case before 1972, and if you believe that the Costa Geriatrica would "expel" Brits and bankrupt itself then I fear you may be related to KSO16R who has a relationship with his breakfast. "What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere?" Depends on the money they make doesn't it? Ever heard about our ex-pats working in Saudi? One of the most horrible places on the planet. It's the money dear boy. "one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance". Groups of incomers in self - contained units. Not great. "By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you!" Don't you pay tax then? As far as most of us are concerned CAP has bitten our hands severely, to name just one abuse from the vile EU.
[quote][p][bold]Redhaired22[/bold] wrote: People have let their Xenophobia get in the way of reason..... http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2613565/Polish-invas ion-thats-SAVED-home -town-An-influx-25-0 00-Poles-left-Southa mptons-schools-burst ing-locals-feeling-p ushed-But-BARBARA-DA VIES-grew-theres-sto ry.html I'm the first one to slate the DM, but they actually came up with this balanced story! But of course it doesn't make good press, even the Echo have failed to run with it, and they're the same media group..... How about we promote what is good about being in Europe, how it helps our country, and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere? one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance. By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you![/p][/quote]..... "How about we promote what is good about being in Europe"-we are in Europe. It is the autocracy called the EU of which the majority do not wish to be members. "how it helps our country". The EU helps itself. WE are net contributors and gain no benefit and much detriment in the form of over-regulation. "and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? "No. They would continue to be employed there, just as would have been the case before 1972, and if you believe that the Costa Geriatrica would "expel" Brits and bankrupt itself then I fear you may be related to KSO16R who has a relationship with his breakfast. "What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere?" Depends on the money they make doesn't it? Ever heard about our ex-pats working in Saudi? One of the most horrible places on the planet. It's the money dear boy. "one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance". Groups of incomers in self - contained units. Not great. "By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you!" Don't you pay tax then? As far as most of us are concerned CAP has bitten our hands severely, to name just one abuse from the vile EU. Dai Rear
  • Score: -9

9:16am Fri 23 May 14

Torchie1 says...

freefinker wrote:
Well, didn't TUSC do badly?
Their only bright spot was in Redbridge where they deselected southy and put in someone else.
And congratulations to Keith in Coxford, but as Linesman says the likes of him and TUSC can promise whatever because they will never obtain power.
And my prediction that the Greens would beat TUSC in every ward where they competed has come true, again.
I think you'll find the declared voting figures are 'false right wing propaganda' that Southy will be able to correct as soon as the tears clear from his eyes. The result does show why he was de-selected, or allowed to stand down on the grounds of ill health as the official version goes. Meanwhile in Woolston, Caran Chamberlain is looking for the voter that saved Labour from a total whitewash.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: Well, didn't TUSC do badly? Their only bright spot was in Redbridge where they deselected southy and put in someone else. And congratulations to Keith in Coxford, but as Linesman says the likes of him and TUSC can promise whatever because they will never obtain power. And my prediction that the Greens would beat TUSC in every ward where they competed has come true, again.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the declared voting figures are 'false right wing propaganda' that Southy will be able to correct as soon as the tears clear from his eyes. The result does show why he was de-selected, or allowed to stand down on the grounds of ill health as the official version goes. Meanwhile in Woolston, Caran Chamberlain is looking for the voter that saved Labour from a total whitewash. Torchie1
  • Score: 3

9:16am Fri 23 May 14

Smartiepants says...

Who the hell voted for Simon Letts. Ye Gods!!!
Who the hell voted for Simon Letts. Ye Gods!!! Smartiepants
  • Score: 2

9:22am Fri 23 May 14

speedicut says...

Wondering whether Millbrook will return a UKIP Councillor - 2 seats up for grabs there and voters may have been thinking "1 for Labour, 1 for UKIP".
Wondering whether Millbrook will return a UKIP Councillor - 2 seats up for grabs there and voters may have been thinking "1 for Labour, 1 for UKIP". speedicut
  • Score: 2

9:32am Fri 23 May 14

Redhaired22 says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Redhaired22 wrote:
People have let their Xenophobia get in the way of reason.....
http://www.dailymail


.co.uk/news/article-


2613565/Polish-invas


ion-thats-SAVED-home


-town-An-influx-25-0


00-Poles-left-Southa


mptons-schools-burst


ing-locals-feeling-p


ushed-But-BARBARA-DA


VIES-grew-theres-sto


ry.html

I'm the first one to slate the DM, but they actually came up with this balanced story! But of course it doesn't make good press, even the Echo have failed to run with it, and they're the same media group..... How about we promote what is good about being in Europe, how it helps our country, and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere? one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance. By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you!
..... "How about we promote what is good about being in Europe"-we are in Europe. It is the autocracy called the EU of which the majority do not wish to be members. "how it helps our country". The EU helps itself. WE are net contributors and gain no benefit and much detriment in the form of over-regulation. "and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? "No. They would continue to be employed there, just as would have been the case before 1972, and if you believe that the Costa Geriatrica would "expel" Brits and bankrupt itself then I fear you may be related to KSO16R who has a relationship with his breakfast. "What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere?" Depends on the money they make doesn't it? Ever heard about our ex-pats working in Saudi? One of the most horrible places on the planet. It's the money dear boy. "one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance". Groups of incomers in self - contained units. Not great. "By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you!" Don't you pay tax then? As far as most of us are concerned CAP has bitten our hands severely, to name just one abuse from the vile EU.
I can assure you that there's not a lot of money in nursing or research lol we are having to recruit because we've cut our places on nursing courses so therefore there aren't enough of our nurses to fill places. Nursing agencies actively recruit in Europe and beyond. And how do you assert that the 'majority' of people want to withdraw from Europe? Have you conducted a national referendum? Spain have actually reclaimed land from a lot of ex-pats and knocked down their houses. I wasn't just referring to Spain but Europe
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/shared/spl/hi/in
_depth/brits_abroad/
html/default.stm
The number of people working in Saudi is miniscule compared to Europe and other places like the US and Australia. I can assure you that all those people who built that tower, who were paid a pittance and died working on it hardly felt that they went to earn a fortune!

We have to pay Tax get over it. I pay Tax like any other working person and I'd gladly pay more council tax too if it helped our city maintain it's services! It's about time we had some real facts, instead of this typical scaremongering from the likes of you, who make sweeping assertions based on a lot of hot air.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redhaired22[/bold] wrote: People have let their Xenophobia get in the way of reason..... http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2613565/Polish-invas ion-thats-SAVED-home -town-An-influx-25-0 00-Poles-left-Southa mptons-schools-burst ing-locals-feeling-p ushed-But-BARBARA-DA VIES-grew-theres-sto ry.html I'm the first one to slate the DM, but they actually came up with this balanced story! But of course it doesn't make good press, even the Echo have failed to run with it, and they're the same media group..... How about we promote what is good about being in Europe, how it helps our country, and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere? one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance. By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you![/p][/quote]..... "How about we promote what is good about being in Europe"-we are in Europe. It is the autocracy called the EU of which the majority do not wish to be members. "how it helps our country". The EU helps itself. WE are net contributors and gain no benefit and much detriment in the form of over-regulation. "and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? "No. They would continue to be employed there, just as would have been the case before 1972, and if you believe that the Costa Geriatrica would "expel" Brits and bankrupt itself then I fear you may be related to KSO16R who has a relationship with his breakfast. "What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere?" Depends on the money they make doesn't it? Ever heard about our ex-pats working in Saudi? One of the most horrible places on the planet. It's the money dear boy. "one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance". Groups of incomers in self - contained units. Not great. "By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you!" Don't you pay tax then? As far as most of us are concerned CAP has bitten our hands severely, to name just one abuse from the vile EU.[/p][/quote]I can assure you that there's not a lot of money in nursing or research lol we are having to recruit because we've cut our places on nursing courses so therefore there aren't enough of our nurses to fill places. Nursing agencies actively recruit in Europe and beyond. And how do you assert that the 'majority' of people want to withdraw from Europe? Have you conducted a national referendum? Spain have actually reclaimed land from a lot of ex-pats and knocked down their houses. I wasn't just referring to Spain but Europe http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/shared/spl/hi/in _depth/brits_abroad/ html/default.stm The number of people working in Saudi is miniscule compared to Europe and other places like the US and Australia. I can assure you that all those people who built that tower, who were paid a pittance and died working on it hardly felt that they went to earn a fortune! We have to pay Tax get over it. I pay Tax like any other working person and I'd gladly pay more council tax too if it helped our city maintain it's services! It's about time we had some real facts, instead of this typical scaremongering from the likes of you, who make sweeping assertions based on a lot of hot air. Redhaired22
  • Score: -2

9:34am Fri 23 May 14

one in a million says...

looks like virtually no-one bothered to vote! What a joke (though not at all funny)

Time a quorum was brought in or people are compelled to vote.
looks like virtually no-one bothered to vote! What a joke (though not at all funny) Time a quorum was brought in or people are compelled to vote. one in a million
  • Score: 9

9:35am Fri 23 May 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Linesman wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Congratulations to Keith Morrell. Great win in Coxford in Independent campaign organised by exceptionally hard working popular and highly principled Councillor Don Thomas.

Both of them have shown the comittment to fight against ruthless cuts in services, destruction of the jobs and standing by people who elected them when they suffered due to cowardly and unprincipled decisions implemented by Thatcherised NuLabour run Southampton under the leadership of slippery Simon Letts, who one time used to pretend to be a lefty socialist, but when in power has shamelessly cut many services and destroyed jobs, which had survived even the nasty bonfire under the Tories.

Keith's win in Coxford has proved that us the ordinary people admire and support those with proven record of hard work and have faith in alternatives to the damaging right wing policies of Conservatised NuLabour, which has betrayed virtually all the good values of old Labour Party.

If those who had been busy attacking and even insulting Don and Keith (As slippery Simon Letts himself and his poodles and puppets in Council Chamber have often done and many NuLabourites along with right wingers have done on this site) have any sense of fairness left in their arrogant rightwing and opportunist blood they should do the decent thing, because apologising for their nastiness may be too much of humiliation and not their style, but they should stop those vile attacks and start showing the respect to Don and Keith as representatives of us the ordinary people of Coxford Ward.

Expecting Miliband led mob to follow the socialist path shown by Don and Keith may be too much to ask, but for the sake of the good brand name of Labour Party, which de facto Thatcher's political children exploit for misleading the voters, I must recommend that in good socialist faith.
As an Independent, he and Thomas can promise the moon, knowing that in their position they would never be in a position to be expected to deliver.

Nobody wants cuts to services, but when the money is not available, then cuts have to be made some place, which is something that they, apparently, fail to comprehend, or explain how they would deal with the situation.
If the heat is too much in the kitchen for your NuLabourite darlings then why don't they get out?

Is it because their huge egos or easy few thousand quids for councillors that keeps them going in?

Have often told you and your colleagues on this site, why Southampton Council like most other local authorities is short of cash, but obviously that is too much of truth for your fanatic NuLabour heads.

Yes there is only certain amount of money in nation's pot, but how that is spent is the root cause of this problems.

Either the central government can use it for the good of the ordinary people by contributing finance required for services to local councils or it can give billions to super rich, the bankers or to the EU etc etc etc and spend on killing innocent people like your heros like Blair did on immoral Iraq War and bombing Serbia etc.

In all fairness your local Leader Simon is not stupid, he is fully aware of the cause of the problem, that is why he himself had proposed motion in the Council meeting to ask for proper financial contribution from the central government. But having paid lip service to the real issue your NuLabourite lot in the Council have gone quite.

When Councillors Keith Morrell and Don Thomas tried to suggest similar idea once again, all the turn coats of so called Labour Group rather than supporting them turned on Don and Keith like wild animals, and joined the Leader of Lib-Dem in accusing them of being socialists (which obviously these days has become dirty word for Thatcherised NuLabourites) and you and your mates on this site keep on playing the same tune.

Because whole of your NuLabour philosophy these days is about dishonety misleading the public with sound bites and arrogance to cover the fact that your party has not got the conviction or courage or combination of both to stand up to the central government, but like most cowards love picking upon the weak public.

Don and Keith have proven you wrong. For a change face the fact and learn to respect the democratic verdict delivered by voters in Coxford
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Congratulations to Keith Morrell. Great win in Coxford in Independent campaign organised by exceptionally hard working popular and highly principled Councillor Don Thomas. Both of them have shown the comittment to fight against ruthless cuts in services, destruction of the jobs and standing by people who elected them when they suffered due to cowardly and unprincipled decisions implemented by Thatcherised NuLabour run Southampton under the leadership of slippery Simon Letts, who one time used to pretend to be a lefty socialist, but when in power has shamelessly cut many services and destroyed jobs, which had survived even the nasty bonfire under the Tories. Keith's win in Coxford has proved that us the ordinary people admire and support those with proven record of hard work and have faith in alternatives to the damaging right wing policies of Conservatised NuLabour, which has betrayed virtually all the good values of old Labour Party. If those who had been busy attacking and even insulting Don and Keith (As slippery Simon Letts himself and his poodles and puppets in Council Chamber have often done and many NuLabourites along with right wingers have done on this site) have any sense of fairness left in their arrogant rightwing and opportunist blood they should do the decent thing, because apologising for their nastiness may be too much of humiliation and not their style, but they should stop those vile attacks and start showing the respect to Don and Keith as representatives of us the ordinary people of Coxford Ward. Expecting Miliband led mob to follow the socialist path shown by Don and Keith may be too much to ask, but for the sake of the good brand name of Labour Party, which de facto Thatcher's political children exploit for misleading the voters, I must recommend that in good socialist faith.[/p][/quote]As an Independent, he and Thomas can promise the moon, knowing that in their position they would never be in a position to be expected to deliver. Nobody wants cuts to services, but when the money is not available, then cuts have to be made some place, which is something that they, apparently, fail to comprehend, or explain how they would deal with the situation.[/p][/quote]If the heat is too much in the kitchen for your NuLabourite darlings then why don't they get out? Is it because their huge egos or easy few thousand quids for councillors that keeps them going in? Have often told you and your colleagues on this site, why Southampton Council like most other local authorities is short of cash, but obviously that is too much of truth for your fanatic NuLabour heads. Yes there is only certain amount of money in nation's pot, but how that is spent is the root cause of this problems. Either the central government can use it for the good of the ordinary people by contributing finance required for services to local councils or it can give billions to super rich, the bankers or to the EU etc etc etc and spend on killing innocent people like your heros like Blair did on immoral Iraq War and bombing Serbia etc. In all fairness your local Leader Simon is not stupid, he is fully aware of the cause of the problem, that is why he himself had proposed motion in the Council meeting to ask for proper financial contribution from the central government. But having paid lip service to the real issue your NuLabourite lot in the Council have gone quite. When Councillors Keith Morrell and Don Thomas tried to suggest similar idea once again, all the turn coats of so called Labour Group rather than supporting them turned on Don and Keith like wild animals, and joined the Leader of Lib-Dem in accusing them of being socialists (which obviously these days has become dirty word for Thatcherised NuLabourites) and you and your mates on this site keep on playing the same tune. Because whole of your NuLabour philosophy these days is about dishonety misleading the public with sound bites and arrogance to cover the fact that your party has not got the conviction or courage or combination of both to stand up to the central government, but like most cowards love picking upon the weak public. Don and Keith have proven you wrong. For a change face the fact and learn to respect the democratic verdict delivered by voters in Coxford Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -2

9:39am Fri 23 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Redhaired22 wrote:
People have let their Xenophobia get in the way of reason.....
http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

2613565/Polish-invas

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ry.html

I'm the first one to slate the DM, but they actually came up with this balanced story! But of course it doesn't make good press, even the Echo have failed to run with it, and they're the same media group..... How about we promote what is good about being in Europe, how it helps our country, and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere? one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance. By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you!
Completely agree with you. It's the ignorant sheep that blame immigration on their own inadequacies and failures and fail to recognise the positives that immigration brings. Fuhrer Farage bleats on about restricting the number of immigrants but purely a head count on anybody with a different skin colour or country of origin. Immigration needs controlling but not on a head count but based on peoples skills and abilities.

Immigration creates a rich society in the UK and attracts the best people from across Europe so not only does the quality of our output increase, our economy is contributed to too. UKIP don't care about this, their ideal is to return Britain back 100 years and focus on imperial measurements, formal dress in theatres and hotels, bring back grandeur to train travel and smoking rooms in pubs. All absolute crap that is no benefit to anybody other a group of extremist nationalists.

Hitler did the same – he blamed all of Germany's problems on the Jews because many were successful and worked hard. Fuhrer Farage claims immigrants are taking British peoples jobs (the same jobs that the majority of British think are beneath them) so they continue to sit on their backsides and moan. Fuhrer Farage said himself that immigration has damaged the "white working class", singling out the white British from everybody else. The same party that say women can't be raped in marriage, talk about shooting gays and gay marriage causes bad weather.

Can't you see the similarities between Fuhrer Adolf and Fuhrer Farage?!
[quote][p][bold]Redhaired22[/bold] wrote: People have let their Xenophobia get in the way of reason..... http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2613565/Polish-invas ion-thats-SAVED-home -town-An-influx-25-0 00-Poles-left-Southa mptons-schools-burst ing-locals-feeling-p ushed-But-BARBARA-DA VIES-grew-theres-sto ry.html I'm the first one to slate the DM, but they actually came up with this balanced story! But of course it doesn't make good press, even the Echo have failed to run with it, and they're the same media group..... How about we promote what is good about being in Europe, how it helps our country, and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere? one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance. By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you![/p][/quote]Completely agree with you. It's the ignorant sheep that blame immigration on their own inadequacies and failures and fail to recognise the positives that immigration brings. Fuhrer Farage bleats on about restricting the number of immigrants but purely a head count on anybody with a different skin colour or country of origin. Immigration needs controlling but not on a head count but based on peoples skills and abilities. Immigration creates a rich society in the UK and attracts the best people from across Europe so not only does the quality of our output increase, our economy is contributed to too. UKIP don't care about this, their ideal is to return Britain back 100 years and focus on imperial measurements, formal dress in theatres and hotels, bring back grandeur to train travel and smoking rooms in pubs. All absolute crap that is no benefit to anybody other a group of extremist nationalists. Hitler did the same – he blamed all of Germany's problems on the Jews because many were successful and worked hard. Fuhrer Farage claims immigrants are taking British peoples jobs (the same jobs that the majority of British think are beneath them) so they continue to sit on their backsides and moan. Fuhrer Farage said himself that immigration has damaged the "white working class", singling out the white British from everybody else. The same party that say women can't be raped in marriage, talk about shooting gays and gay marriage causes bad weather. Can't you see the similarities between Fuhrer Adolf and Fuhrer Farage?! sotonboy84
  • Score: -1

9:43am Fri 23 May 14

loosehead says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Well done to all those who stood in these elections, it is not easy standing for what you believe and losing, but all you that have lost have won because you make democracy great and one day your time may come.
Tories won 8 of the 16 seats, not bad, without UKIP we may have done better.
Sadly from my point of view we still have Labour in control, so no great council, but at least no smearing or lying this time.
Total respect for all candidates that stood worked hard and stood up for their beliefs.
Looking at the results UKIP kept Labour in power. But according to the results for Woolston UKIP now have a councillor or is Labours one vote a miss print?
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Well done to all those who stood in these elections, it is not easy standing for what you believe and losing, but all you that have lost have won because you make democracy great and one day your time may come. Tories won 8 of the 16 seats, not bad, without UKIP we may have done better. Sadly from my point of view we still have Labour in control, so no great council, but at least no smearing or lying this time. Total respect for all candidates that stood worked hard and stood up for their beliefs.[/p][/quote]Looking at the results UKIP kept Labour in power. But according to the results for Woolston UKIP now have a councillor or is Labours one vote a miss print? loosehead
  • Score: 0

9:44am Fri 23 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Congratulations to Keith Morrell. Great win in Coxford in Independent campaign organised by exceptionally hard working popular and highly principled Councillor Don Thomas.

Both of them have shown the comittment to fight against ruthless cuts in services, destruction of the jobs and standing by people who elected them when they suffered due to cowardly and unprincipled decisions implemented by Thatcherised NuLabour run Southampton under the leadership of slippery Simon Letts, who one time used to pretend to be a lefty socialist, but when in power has shamelessly cut many services and destroyed jobs, which had survived even the nasty bonfire under the Tories.

Keith's win in Coxford has proved that us the ordinary people admire and support those with proven record of hard work and have faith in alternatives to the damaging right wing policies of Conservatised NuLabour, which has betrayed virtually all the good values of old Labour Party.

If those who had been busy attacking and even insulting Don and Keith (As slippery Simon Letts himself and his poodles and puppets in Council Chamber have often done and many NuLabourites along with right wingers have done on this site) have any sense of fairness left in their arrogant rightwing and opportunist blood they should do the decent thing, because apologising for their nastiness may be too much of humiliation and not their style, but they should stop those vile attacks and start showing the respect to Don and Keith as representatives of us the ordinary people of Coxford Ward.

Expecting Miliband led mob to follow the socialist path shown by Don and Keith may be too much to ask, but for the sake of the good brand name of Labour Party, which de facto Thatcher's political children exploit for misleading the voters, I must recommend that in good socialist faith.
As an Independent, he and Thomas can promise the moon, knowing that in their position they would never be in a position to be expected to deliver.

Nobody wants cuts to services, but when the money is not available, then cuts have to be made some place, which is something that they, apparently, fail to comprehend, or explain how they would deal with the situation.
If the heat is too much in the kitchen for your NuLabourite darlings then why don't they get out?

Is it because their huge egos or easy few thousand quids for councillors that keeps them going in?

Have often told you and your colleagues on this site, why Southampton Council like most other local authorities is short of cash, but obviously that is too much of truth for your fanatic NuLabour heads.

Yes there is only certain amount of money in nation's pot, but how that is spent is the root cause of this problems.

Either the central government can use it for the good of the ordinary people by contributing finance required for services to local councils or it can give billions to super rich, the bankers or to the EU etc etc etc and spend on killing innocent people like your heros like Blair did on immoral Iraq War and bombing Serbia etc.

In all fairness your local Leader Simon is not stupid, he is fully aware of the cause of the problem, that is why he himself had proposed motion in the Council meeting to ask for proper financial contribution from the central government. But having paid lip service to the real issue your NuLabourite lot in the Council have gone quite.

When Councillors Keith Morrell and Don Thomas tried to suggest similar idea once again, all the turn coats of so called Labour Group rather than supporting them turned on Don and Keith like wild animals, and joined the Leader of Lib-Dem in accusing them of being socialists (which obviously these days has become dirty word for Thatcherised NuLabourites) and you and your mates on this site keep on playing the same tune.

Because whole of your NuLabour philosophy these days is about dishonety misleading the public with sound bites and arrogance to cover the fact that your party has not got the conviction or courage or combination of both to stand up to the central government, but like most cowards love picking upon the weak public.

Don and Keith have proven you wrong. For a change face the fact and learn to respect the democratic verdict delivered by voters in Coxford
"Either the central government can use it for the good of the ordinary people by contributing finance required for services to local councils or it can give billions to super rich, the bankers or to the EU etc etc etc"

What ignorance. Do you expect Central Government to put each and every citizen on a salary or would it not be more sensible for them to run the country, defend it, invest in it, attract investment and try and reduce the country's debt?
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Congratulations to Keith Morrell. Great win in Coxford in Independent campaign organised by exceptionally hard working popular and highly principled Councillor Don Thomas. Both of them have shown the comittment to fight against ruthless cuts in services, destruction of the jobs and standing by people who elected them when they suffered due to cowardly and unprincipled decisions implemented by Thatcherised NuLabour run Southampton under the leadership of slippery Simon Letts, who one time used to pretend to be a lefty socialist, but when in power has shamelessly cut many services and destroyed jobs, which had survived even the nasty bonfire under the Tories. Keith's win in Coxford has proved that us the ordinary people admire and support those with proven record of hard work and have faith in alternatives to the damaging right wing policies of Conservatised NuLabour, which has betrayed virtually all the good values of old Labour Party. If those who had been busy attacking and even insulting Don and Keith (As slippery Simon Letts himself and his poodles and puppets in Council Chamber have often done and many NuLabourites along with right wingers have done on this site) have any sense of fairness left in their arrogant rightwing and opportunist blood they should do the decent thing, because apologising for their nastiness may be too much of humiliation and not their style, but they should stop those vile attacks and start showing the respect to Don and Keith as representatives of us the ordinary people of Coxford Ward. Expecting Miliband led mob to follow the socialist path shown by Don and Keith may be too much to ask, but for the sake of the good brand name of Labour Party, which de facto Thatcher's political children exploit for misleading the voters, I must recommend that in good socialist faith.[/p][/quote]As an Independent, he and Thomas can promise the moon, knowing that in their position they would never be in a position to be expected to deliver. Nobody wants cuts to services, but when the money is not available, then cuts have to be made some place, which is something that they, apparently, fail to comprehend, or explain how they would deal with the situation.[/p][/quote]If the heat is too much in the kitchen for your NuLabourite darlings then why don't they get out? Is it because their huge egos or easy few thousand quids for councillors that keeps them going in? Have often told you and your colleagues on this site, why Southampton Council like most other local authorities is short of cash, but obviously that is too much of truth for your fanatic NuLabour heads. Yes there is only certain amount of money in nation's pot, but how that is spent is the root cause of this problems. Either the central government can use it for the good of the ordinary people by contributing finance required for services to local councils or it can give billions to super rich, the bankers or to the EU etc etc etc and spend on killing innocent people like your heros like Blair did on immoral Iraq War and bombing Serbia etc. In all fairness your local Leader Simon is not stupid, he is fully aware of the cause of the problem, that is why he himself had proposed motion in the Council meeting to ask for proper financial contribution from the central government. But having paid lip service to the real issue your NuLabourite lot in the Council have gone quite. When Councillors Keith Morrell and Don Thomas tried to suggest similar idea once again, all the turn coats of so called Labour Group rather than supporting them turned on Don and Keith like wild animals, and joined the Leader of Lib-Dem in accusing them of being socialists (which obviously these days has become dirty word for Thatcherised NuLabourites) and you and your mates on this site keep on playing the same tune. Because whole of your NuLabour philosophy these days is about dishonety misleading the public with sound bites and arrogance to cover the fact that your party has not got the conviction or courage or combination of both to stand up to the central government, but like most cowards love picking upon the weak public. Don and Keith have proven you wrong. For a change face the fact and learn to respect the democratic verdict delivered by voters in Coxford[/p][/quote]"Either the central government can use it for the good of the ordinary people by contributing finance required for services to local councils or it can give billions to super rich, the bankers or to the EU etc etc etc" What ignorance. Do you expect Central Government to put each and every citizen on a salary or would it not be more sensible for them to run the country, defend it, invest in it, attract investment and try and reduce the country's debt? sotonboy84
  • Score: 8

9:45am Fri 23 May 14

loosehead says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Yes, let's wait for Sunday but looking good. UKIP might be denounced as poujadist by the left which currently "rools" in our country but France having rejected poujadism, has become the sclerotic basket case we see now. If the 2 main parties learn some lessons and produce some coherent policy about the governance and "occupation" of our country then the old Popey might be making him Saint Nige about 2070. Who knows?
the problem is DAI unless UKIP really go for Labour voters all they're doing is letting in a pro EU Labour Party is that what their voters want?
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Yes, let's wait for Sunday but looking good. UKIP might be denounced as poujadist by the left which currently "rools" in our country but France having rejected poujadism, has become the sclerotic basket case we see now. If the 2 main parties learn some lessons and produce some coherent policy about the governance and "occupation" of our country then the old Popey might be making him Saint Nige about 2070. Who knows?[/p][/quote]the problem is DAI unless UKIP really go for Labour voters all they're doing is letting in a pro EU Labour Party is that what their voters want? loosehead
  • Score: -1

9:48am Fri 23 May 14

loosehead says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
As a socialist who believe in the values of Labour I may not have any time for NuLabour but for personal reasons I am glad that Hannah Coombs has won in Shirley, because she is the daughter of my friend and I know that she will keep on helping people, which is her nature and what she had been doing for few years while working in the office of our hard working MP Alan Whitehead's office.

NuLabour's success in Shirley, which used to be a strong Tory ward is the proof that those who work hard helping the people in their problems with the pen pushers and communicate with them properly, can succeed in winning respect of those who may not have shared their views.

That approach of Alan Whitehead MP and Cllr. Satvir Kaur in Shirley has contributed to Hannah's victory in Shirley and always helpful in case work of his constituents John Denham and local Councillor Bogle's work has won Bargate for NuLabour.

Same is the reason for Tory Cllr. Smith keep on winning in Harefield, which Alan Lloyd through sheer hard work had turned into a safe Labour ward, but the NuLabourites expelled him from their Group because like Don and Keith he always stood solid with people of his ward. After that nobody was there to listen to the people apart from demanding votes at election times. So Royston Smith, whose political views I am not ever likely to support, spotted the opportunity, worked hard and made it a Tory area.

Will these NuLabourites ever learn from their arrogant foolish and suicidal decisions and Toffs styles when dealing with ordinary people??? I think addiction to arrogance and Thatcherism and arrogance has become part of the the DNA of New Labour Beast
Use to be a strong Tory ward? yes until Labour allowed developers to knock down family homes & build housing Association flats but exactly what percentage of the vote was there?
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: As a socialist who believe in the values of Labour I may not have any time for NuLabour but for personal reasons I am glad that Hannah Coombs has won in Shirley, because she is the daughter of my friend and I know that she will keep on helping people, which is her nature and what she had been doing for few years while working in the office of our hard working MP Alan Whitehead's office. NuLabour's success in Shirley, which used to be a strong Tory ward is the proof that those who work hard helping the people in their problems with the pen pushers and communicate with them properly, can succeed in winning respect of those who may not have shared their views. That approach of Alan Whitehead MP and Cllr. Satvir Kaur in Shirley has contributed to Hannah's victory in Shirley and always helpful in case work of his constituents John Denham and local Councillor Bogle's work has won Bargate for NuLabour. Same is the reason for Tory Cllr. Smith keep on winning in Harefield, which Alan Lloyd through sheer hard work had turned into a safe Labour ward, but the NuLabourites expelled him from their Group because like Don and Keith he always stood solid with people of his ward. After that nobody was there to listen to the people apart from demanding votes at election times. So Royston Smith, whose political views I am not ever likely to support, spotted the opportunity, worked hard and made it a Tory area. Will these NuLabourites ever learn from their arrogant foolish and suicidal decisions and Toffs styles when dealing with ordinary people??? I think addiction to arrogance and Thatcherism and arrogance has become part of the the DNA of New Labour Beast[/p][/quote]Use to be a strong Tory ward? yes until Labour allowed developers to knock down family homes & build housing Association flats but exactly what percentage of the vote was there? loosehead
  • Score: -1

9:49am Fri 23 May 14

southy says...

Well done Kieran good result, well done the team put together at the last moment to help out done well also even low it was for only one day in the Redbridge ward.
Also congrats to the rest of the TUSC I think you all done very well this year overall the count was up for most I think can't be sure till I pull out the last election results.
And the best till last the Coxford ward it was touch and go all the way though the run up, but you pulled it off congrats Keith the effort was worth while in the end, and the team who work very hard well done you earned your break now so rest up take it easy for a bit.
Well done Kieran good result, well done the team put together at the last moment to help out done well also even low it was for only one day in the Redbridge ward. Also congrats to the rest of the TUSC I think you all done very well this year overall the count was up for most I think can't be sure till I pull out the last election results. And the best till last the Coxford ward it was touch and go all the way though the run up, but you pulled it off congrats Keith the effort was worth while in the end, and the team who work very hard well done you earned your break now so rest up take it easy for a bit. southy
  • Score: -5

9:50am Fri 23 May 14

loosehead says...

Torchie1 wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Well, didn't TUSC do badly?
Their only bright spot was in Redbridge where they deselected southy and put in someone else.
And congratulations to Keith in Coxford, but as Linesman says the likes of him and TUSC can promise whatever because they will never obtain power.
And my prediction that the Greens would beat TUSC in every ward where they competed has come true, again.
I think you'll find the declared voting figures are 'false right wing propaganda' that Southy will be able to correct as soon as the tears clear from his eyes. The result does show why he was de-selected, or allowed to stand down on the grounds of ill health as the official version goes. Meanwhile in Woolston, Caran Chamberlain is looking for the voter that saved Labour from a total whitewash.
so who won Woolston?
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: Well, didn't TUSC do badly? Their only bright spot was in Redbridge where they deselected southy and put in someone else. And congratulations to Keith in Coxford, but as Linesman says the likes of him and TUSC can promise whatever because they will never obtain power. And my prediction that the Greens would beat TUSC in every ward where they competed has come true, again.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the declared voting figures are 'false right wing propaganda' that Southy will be able to correct as soon as the tears clear from his eyes. The result does show why he was de-selected, or allowed to stand down on the grounds of ill health as the official version goes. Meanwhile in Woolston, Caran Chamberlain is looking for the voter that saved Labour from a total whitewash.[/p][/quote]so who won Woolston? loosehead
  • Score: 1

9:50am Fri 23 May 14

freefinker says...

loosehead wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Well done to all those who stood in these elections, it is not easy standing for what you believe and losing, but all you that have lost have won because you make democracy great and one day your time may come.
Tories won 8 of the 16 seats, not bad, without UKIP we may have done better.
Sadly from my point of view we still have Labour in control, so no great council, but at least no smearing or lying this time.
Total respect for all candidates that stood worked hard and stood up for their beliefs.
Looking at the results UKIP kept Labour in power. But according to the results for Woolston UKIP now have a councillor or is Labours one vote a miss print?
.. use your brain.
Labour 'won' in Woolston, but the fools at the Echo have recorded it as 'one'.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Well done to all those who stood in these elections, it is not easy standing for what you believe and losing, but all you that have lost have won because you make democracy great and one day your time may come. Tories won 8 of the 16 seats, not bad, without UKIP we may have done better. Sadly from my point of view we still have Labour in control, so no great council, but at least no smearing or lying this time. Total respect for all candidates that stood worked hard and stood up for their beliefs.[/p][/quote]Looking at the results UKIP kept Labour in power. But according to the results for Woolston UKIP now have a councillor or is Labours one vote a miss print?[/p][/quote].. use your brain. Labour 'won' in Woolston, but the fools at the Echo have recorded it as 'one'. freefinker
  • Score: 4

9:55am Fri 23 May 14

loosehead says...

freefinker wrote:
loosehead wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Well done to all those who stood in these elections, it is not easy standing for what you believe and losing, but all you that have lost have won because you make democracy great and one day your time may come.
Tories won 8 of the 16 seats, not bad, without UKIP we may have done better.
Sadly from my point of view we still have Labour in control, so no great council, but at least no smearing or lying this time.
Total respect for all candidates that stood worked hard and stood up for their beliefs.
Looking at the results UKIP kept Labour in power. But according to the results for Woolston UKIP now have a councillor or is Labours one vote a miss print?
.. use your brain.
Labour 'won' in Woolston, but the fools at the Echo have recorded it as 'one'.
so once again a miss print by the echo!
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Well done to all those who stood in these elections, it is not easy standing for what you believe and losing, but all you that have lost have won because you make democracy great and one day your time may come. Tories won 8 of the 16 seats, not bad, without UKIP we may have done better. Sadly from my point of view we still have Labour in control, so no great council, but at least no smearing or lying this time. Total respect for all candidates that stood worked hard and stood up for their beliefs.[/p][/quote]Looking at the results UKIP kept Labour in power. But according to the results for Woolston UKIP now have a councillor or is Labours one vote a miss print?[/p][/quote].. use your brain. Labour 'won' in Woolston, but the fools at the Echo have recorded it as 'one'.[/p][/quote]so once again a miss print by the echo! loosehead
  • Score: 0

10:01am Fri 23 May 14

Brock_and_Roll says...

As a neutral (or at least neutral compared with some in here) may I make three observations:

1) Obviously UK will do amazingly well when the Euro results are in on Monday - but at the end of the day no one really cares (or votes) about the Euro elections other than people who have strong opinions either way. IMHO this vote may well represent the high water mark for UKIP

2) It could be argued that the UKIP vote locally has split the Tory vote and kept Labour in power. If this were repeated nationally it will have obvious implications for the general election - no sane former Tory is going to vote UKIP if he or she thinks it will let Labour in again.

3) The net result of 1) and 2) will be the Tories shifting themselves to the right to negate the UKIP vote and putting more blue water between themselves and the LibDems - basically it will be absolute majority or bust for the Tories.

Feel free to criticise!
As a neutral (or at least neutral compared with some in here) may I make three observations: 1) Obviously UK will do amazingly well when the Euro results are in on Monday - but at the end of the day no one really cares (or votes) about the Euro elections other than people who have strong opinions either way. IMHO this vote may well represent the high water mark for UKIP 2) It could be argued that the UKIP vote locally has split the Tory vote and kept Labour in power. If this were repeated nationally it will have obvious implications for the general election - no sane former Tory is going to vote UKIP if he or she thinks it will let Labour in again. 3) The net result of 1) and 2) will be the Tories shifting themselves to the right to negate the UKIP vote and putting more blue water between themselves and the LibDems - basically it will be absolute majority or bust for the Tories. Feel free to criticise! Brock_and_Roll
  • Score: 3

10:02am Fri 23 May 14

userds5050 says...

Redhaired22 wrote:
People have let their Xenophobia get in the way of reason.....
http://www.dailymail

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I'm the first one to slate the DM, but they actually came up with this balanced story! But of course it doesn't make good press, even the Echo have failed to run with it, and they're the same media group..... How about we promote what is good about being in Europe, how it helps our country, and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere? one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance. By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you!
Not sure it's a balanced piece. The DM turns it around to have a go at the feckless Brits sat in the pub and the single mums in McDonald's. Also the DE has run plenty of stories on SOS PolonIa in the past. What this story doesn't mention is the number of grants and funding they and similar groups have received in recent years while everyone else has had theirs cut completely.
[quote][p][bold]Redhaired22[/bold] wrote: People have let their Xenophobia get in the way of reason..... http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2613565/Polish-invas ion-thats-SAVED-home -town-An-influx-25-0 00-Poles-left-Southa mptons-schools-burst ing-locals-feeling-p ushed-But-BARBARA-DA VIES-grew-theres-sto ry.html I'm the first one to slate the DM, but they actually came up with this balanced story! But of course it doesn't make good press, even the Echo have failed to run with it, and they're the same media group..... How about we promote what is good about being in Europe, how it helps our country, and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere? one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance. By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you![/p][/quote]Not sure it's a balanced piece. The DM turns it around to have a go at the feckless Brits sat in the pub and the single mums in McDonald's. Also the DE has run plenty of stories on SOS PolonIa in the past. What this story doesn't mention is the number of grants and funding they and similar groups have received in recent years while everyone else has had theirs cut completely. userds5050
  • Score: 1

10:06am Fri 23 May 14

Dai Rear says...

"I can assure you that there's not a lot of money in nursing or research lol we are having to recruit because we've cut our places on nursing courses so therefore there aren't enough of our nurses to fill places. Nursing agencies actively recruit in Europe and beyond. "How does this relate to the EU? The State incompetently runs the NHS. I have not asserted that the EU does. 20 grand a year here COULD be a bit attractive for a Philipina who can get 2 grand at home.
"And how do you assert that the 'majority' of people want to withdraw from Europe? Have you conducted a national referendum? "No, kind old Messrs' Mori and Yougov did it for me." Spain have actually reclaimed land from a lot of ex-pats and knocked down their houses." Yep and that's while we linger in the failed EU. Will it be worse when we're out? I suppose it could, if we elect Mr Mugabe as Prime Minister but even Miliband could do a better job than the EU of running my country though it pains me to say it. "I wasn't just referring to Spain but Europe" Sorry I can't be assed to look up "Costa Geriatrica" in German, Italian and Greek but you'll find us old wrinklies are welcome most places so long as we've got dosh.
http://news.bbc.co.u

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" The number of people working in Saudi is miniscule compared to Europe and other places like the US and Australia. I can assure you that all those people who built that tower, who were paid a pittance and died working on it hardly felt that they went to earn a fortune!" But you're talking about people in the EU autocracy, not elsewhere and , as I've said, nothing will change when we're out. There was mobility of labour before the EU, believe me.

"We have to pay Tax get over it. I pay Tax like any other working person and I'd gladly pay more council tax too if it helped our city maintain it's services! It's about time we had some real facts, instead of this typical scaremongering from the likes of you, who make sweeping assertions based on a lot of hot air." Abuse mode, as ever. You're going to win the next election without the abuse because most of your Labour voters are tribal and would never bother to read what you and I write. Paying more tax doesn't help anything. You've read Parkinson , Hayek, Friedman and you know in your heart it's true though you'll never admit it. Well I will make an admission. We do need a State to regulate, particularly since our currency is at risk from false credit. But it has to regulate competently, not make a mess of it, like Balls and Brown did, and it has to be a smaller State than we have now. Getting out of the Franco-German hegemony is a small step in this direction. Hasta!
"I can assure you that there's not a lot of money in nursing or research lol we are having to recruit because we've cut our places on nursing courses so therefore there aren't enough of our nurses to fill places. Nursing agencies actively recruit in Europe and beyond. "How does this relate to the EU? The State incompetently runs the NHS. I have not asserted that the EU does. 20 grand a year here COULD be a bit attractive for a Philipina who can get 2 grand at home. "And how do you assert that the 'majority' of people want to withdraw from Europe? Have you conducted a national referendum? "No, kind old Messrs' Mori and Yougov did it for me." Spain have actually reclaimed land from a lot of ex-pats and knocked down their houses." Yep and that's while we linger in the failed EU. Will it be worse when we're out? I suppose it could, if we elect Mr Mugabe as Prime Minister but even Miliband could do a better job than the EU of running my country though it pains me to say it. "I wasn't just referring to Spain but Europe" Sorry I can't be assed to look up "Costa Geriatrica" in German, Italian and Greek but you'll find us old wrinklies are welcome most places so long as we've got dosh. http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/shared/spl/hi/in _depth/brits_abroad/ html/default.stm " The number of people working in Saudi is miniscule compared to Europe and other places like the US and Australia. I can assure you that all those people who built that tower, who were paid a pittance and died working on it hardly felt that they went to earn a fortune!" But you're talking about people in the EU autocracy, not elsewhere and , as I've said, nothing will change when we're out. There was mobility of labour before the EU, believe me. "We have to pay Tax get over it. I pay Tax like any other working person and I'd gladly pay more council tax too if it helped our city maintain it's services! It's about time we had some real facts, instead of this typical scaremongering from the likes of you, who make sweeping assertions based on a lot of hot air." Abuse mode, as ever. You're going to win the next election without the abuse because most of your Labour voters are tribal and would never bother to read what you and I write. Paying more tax doesn't help anything. You've read Parkinson , Hayek, Friedman and you know in your heart it's true though you'll never admit it. Well I will make an admission. We do need a State to regulate, particularly since our currency is at risk from false credit. But it has to regulate competently, not make a mess of it, like Balls and Brown did, and it has to be a smaller State than we have now. Getting out of the Franco-German hegemony is a small step in this direction. Hasta! Dai Rear
  • Score: -1

10:11am Fri 23 May 14

elvisimo says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Redhaired22 wrote:
People have let their Xenophobia get in the way of reason.....
http://www.dailymail


.co.uk/news/article-


2613565/Polish-invas


ion-thats-SAVED-home


-town-An-influx-25-0


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ing-locals-feeling-p


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ry.html

I'm the first one to slate the DM, but they actually came up with this balanced story! But of course it doesn't make good press, even the Echo have failed to run with it, and they're the same media group..... How about we promote what is good about being in Europe, how it helps our country, and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere? one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance. By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you!
Completely agree with you. It's the ignorant sheep that blame immigration on their own inadequacies and failures and fail to recognise the positives that immigration brings. Fuhrer Farage bleats on about restricting the number of immigrants but purely a head count on anybody with a different skin colour or country of origin. Immigration needs controlling but not on a head count but based on peoples skills and abilities.

Immigration creates a rich society in the UK and attracts the best people from across Europe so not only does the quality of our output increase, our economy is contributed to too. UKIP don't care about this, their ideal is to return Britain back 100 years and focus on imperial measurements, formal dress in theatres and hotels, bring back grandeur to train travel and smoking rooms in pubs. All absolute crap that is no benefit to anybody other a group of extremist nationalists.

Hitler did the same – he blamed all of Germany's problems on the Jews because many were successful and worked hard. Fuhrer Farage claims immigrants are taking British peoples jobs (the same jobs that the majority of British think are beneath them) so they continue to sit on their backsides and moan. Fuhrer Farage said himself that immigration has damaged the "white working class", singling out the white British from everybody else. The same party that say women can't be raped in marriage, talk about shooting gays and gay marriage causes bad weather.

Can't you see the similarities between Fuhrer Adolf and Fuhrer Farage?!
You are correct . The issue is to actually see how ludicrous this party is you have to research their policies. a 5 year old to come up with better! In this day and age it seems to be too much effort for most people.

The job are available for all but until we learn from the work ethic of our foreign friends things will not change.

We have allowed a generation of poorly educated layabouts get away with not working and living off the state. These jobs are beneath them despite the fact that they have no qualifications or skills.

The benefit system has to got back to what it was originally intended for, an emergency stop gap and not a lifestyle choice.

Its very easy to pick on immigration whilst totally ignoring the main issues that we have allowed to manifest over the last couple of decades.

Do you really want a party in power that wants to band certain books and documentaries and dictate what should and shouldn't be taught in school? A party that has morons talking about Bongo Bongo Land and how many people they have made pregnant whilst making ludicrous statements that have no basis on fact. You are correct - starts to smell a bit Germany 1940's....
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redhaired22[/bold] wrote: People have let their Xenophobia get in the way of reason..... http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2613565/Polish-invas ion-thats-SAVED-home -town-An-influx-25-0 00-Poles-left-Southa mptons-schools-burst ing-locals-feeling-p ushed-But-BARBARA-DA VIES-grew-theres-sto ry.html I'm the first one to slate the DM, but they actually came up with this balanced story! But of course it doesn't make good press, even the Echo have failed to run with it, and they're the same media group..... How about we promote what is good about being in Europe, how it helps our country, and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere? one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance. By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you![/p][/quote]Completely agree with you. It's the ignorant sheep that blame immigration on their own inadequacies and failures and fail to recognise the positives that immigration brings. Fuhrer Farage bleats on about restricting the number of immigrants but purely a head count on anybody with a different skin colour or country of origin. Immigration needs controlling but not on a head count but based on peoples skills and abilities. Immigration creates a rich society in the UK and attracts the best people from across Europe so not only does the quality of our output increase, our economy is contributed to too. UKIP don't care about this, their ideal is to return Britain back 100 years and focus on imperial measurements, formal dress in theatres and hotels, bring back grandeur to train travel and smoking rooms in pubs. All absolute crap that is no benefit to anybody other a group of extremist nationalists. Hitler did the same – he blamed all of Germany's problems on the Jews because many were successful and worked hard. Fuhrer Farage claims immigrants are taking British peoples jobs (the same jobs that the majority of British think are beneath them) so they continue to sit on their backsides and moan. Fuhrer Farage said himself that immigration has damaged the "white working class", singling out the white British from everybody else. The same party that say women can't be raped in marriage, talk about shooting gays and gay marriage causes bad weather. Can't you see the similarities between Fuhrer Adolf and Fuhrer Farage?![/p][/quote]You are correct . The issue is to actually see how ludicrous this party is you have to research their policies. a 5 year old to come up with better! In this day and age it seems to be too much effort for most people. The job are available for all but until we learn from the work ethic of our foreign friends things will not change. We have allowed a generation of poorly educated layabouts get away with not working and living off the state. These jobs are beneath them despite the fact that they have no qualifications or skills. The benefit system has to got back to what it was originally intended for, an emergency stop gap and not a lifestyle choice. Its very easy to pick on immigration whilst totally ignoring the main issues that we have allowed to manifest over the last couple of decades. Do you really want a party in power that wants to band certain books and documentaries and dictate what should and shouldn't be taught in school? A party that has morons talking about Bongo Bongo Land and how many people they have made pregnant whilst making ludicrous statements that have no basis on fact. You are correct - starts to smell a bit Germany 1940's.... elvisimo
  • Score: 1

10:18am Fri 23 May 14

Lone Ranger. says...

I think that the message from the Southampton electorate is quite clear ....
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The return of the Tories in this GREAT City is not going to happen .... thank the Lord
I think that the message from the Southampton electorate is quite clear .... . The return of the Tories in this GREAT City is not going to happen .... thank the Lord Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -11

10:19am Fri 23 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
As a neutral (or at least neutral compared with some in here) may I make three observations:

1) Obviously UK will do amazingly well when the Euro results are in on Monday - but at the end of the day no one really cares (or votes) about the Euro elections other than people who have strong opinions either way. IMHO this vote may well represent the high water mark for UKIP

2) It could be argued that the UKIP vote locally has split the Tory vote and kept Labour in power. If this were repeated nationally it will have obvious implications for the general election - no sane former Tory is going to vote UKIP if he or she thinks it will let Labour in again.

3) The net result of 1) and 2) will be the Tories shifting themselves to the right to negate the UKIP vote and putting more blue water between themselves and the LibDems - basically it will be absolute majority or bust for the Tories.

Feel free to criticise!
What one hopes is that the Conservative Party will return to being ..well...the Conservative Party, not about Mock Marriage and dosh for dictators ("overseas aid"). I've voted Conservative all my life and I really think that shouldn't be such a big wish.
Obviously better than Labour, which is a mess, but if this coalition couldn't even get fair electoral boundaries, well what, oh what, was the point?
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: As a neutral (or at least neutral compared with some in here) may I make three observations: 1) Obviously UK will do amazingly well when the Euro results are in on Monday - but at the end of the day no one really cares (or votes) about the Euro elections other than people who have strong opinions either way. IMHO this vote may well represent the high water mark for UKIP 2) It could be argued that the UKIP vote locally has split the Tory vote and kept Labour in power. If this were repeated nationally it will have obvious implications for the general election - no sane former Tory is going to vote UKIP if he or she thinks it will let Labour in again. 3) The net result of 1) and 2) will be the Tories shifting themselves to the right to negate the UKIP vote and putting more blue water between themselves and the LibDems - basically it will be absolute majority or bust for the Tories. Feel free to criticise![/p][/quote]What one hopes is that the Conservative Party will return to being ..well...the Conservative Party, not about Mock Marriage and dosh for dictators ("overseas aid"). I've voted Conservative all my life and I really think that shouldn't be such a big wish. Obviously better than Labour, which is a mess, but if this coalition couldn't even get fair electoral boundaries, well what, oh what, was the point? Dai Rear
  • Score: 2

10:20am Fri 23 May 14

Brock_and_Roll says...

Another thought....

You won't read this on the BBC for legal reasons but Google "Dutch election exit poll".

As you will see, their equivalent of UKIP is predicted to do badly in the EURO elections - not because they don't have lots of support, indeed they are estimated to have about 30% of the share of vote in street polls, but because their "voters" do not actually seem to have bothered to turn up and vote.

Not sure this applies to the UK and UKIP votes seem much more motivated - we will of course see on Monday.
Another thought.... You won't read this on the BBC for legal reasons but Google "Dutch election exit poll". As you will see, their equivalent of UKIP is predicted to do badly in the EURO elections - not because they don't have lots of support, indeed they are estimated to have about 30% of the share of vote in street polls, but because their "voters" do not actually seem to have bothered to turn up and vote. Not sure this applies to the UK and UKIP votes seem much more motivated - we will of course see on Monday. Brock_and_Roll
  • Score: 2

10:22am Fri 23 May 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

Sham democracy ,we live in a banksters paradise .
Sham democracy ,we live in a banksters paradise . Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: 3

10:26am Fri 23 May 14

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
I think that the message from the Southampton electorate is quite clear ....
.
The return of the Tories in this GREAT City is not going to happen .... thank the Lord
well its certainly in Labour favour now to retain control of the council for next 4 years, it would take Labour to lose most of there seats in the next 2 elections before the rest bite year for Labour to lose control of the council.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: I think that the message from the Southampton electorate is quite clear .... . The return of the Tories in this GREAT City is not going to happen .... thank the Lord[/p][/quote]well its certainly in Labour favour now to retain control of the council for next 4 years, it would take Labour to lose most of there seats in the next 2 elections before the rest bite year for Labour to lose control of the council. southy
  • Score: -8

10:34am Fri 23 May 14

Torchie1 says...

elvisimo wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Redhaired22 wrote:
People have let their Xenophobia get in the way of reason.....
http://www.dailymail



.co.uk/news/article-



2613565/Polish-invas



ion-thats-SAVED-home



-town-An-influx-25-0



00-Poles-left-Southa



mptons-schools-burst



ing-locals-feeling-p



ushed-But-BARBARA-DA



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I'm the first one to slate the DM, but they actually came up with this balanced story! But of course it doesn't make good press, even the Echo have failed to run with it, and they're the same media group..... How about we promote what is good about being in Europe, how it helps our country, and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere? one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance. By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you!
Completely agree with you. It's the ignorant sheep that blame immigration on their own inadequacies and failures and fail to recognise the positives that immigration brings. Fuhrer Farage bleats on about restricting the number of immigrants but purely a head count on anybody with a different skin colour or country of origin. Immigration needs controlling but not on a head count but based on peoples skills and abilities.

Immigration creates a rich society in the UK and attracts the best people from across Europe so not only does the quality of our output increase, our economy is contributed to too. UKIP don't care about this, their ideal is to return Britain back 100 years and focus on imperial measurements, formal dress in theatres and hotels, bring back grandeur to train travel and smoking rooms in pubs. All absolute crap that is no benefit to anybody other a group of extremist nationalists.

Hitler did the same – he blamed all of Germany's problems on the Jews because many were successful and worked hard. Fuhrer Farage claims immigrants are taking British peoples jobs (the same jobs that the majority of British think are beneath them) so they continue to sit on their backsides and moan. Fuhrer Farage said himself that immigration has damaged the "white working class", singling out the white British from everybody else. The same party that say women can't be raped in marriage, talk about shooting gays and gay marriage causes bad weather.

Can't you see the similarities between Fuhrer Adolf and Fuhrer Farage?!
You are correct . The issue is to actually see how ludicrous this party is you have to research their policies. a 5 year old to come up with better! In this day and age it seems to be too much effort for most people.

The job are available for all but until we learn from the work ethic of our foreign friends things will not change.

We have allowed a generation of poorly educated layabouts get away with not working and living off the state. These jobs are beneath them despite the fact that they have no qualifications or skills.

The benefit system has to got back to what it was originally intended for, an emergency stop gap and not a lifestyle choice.

Its very easy to pick on immigration whilst totally ignoring the main issues that we have allowed to manifest over the last couple of decades.

Do you really want a party in power that wants to band certain books and documentaries and dictate what should and shouldn't be taught in school? A party that has morons talking about Bongo Bongo Land and how many people they have made pregnant whilst making ludicrous statements that have no basis on fact. You are correct - starts to smell a bit Germany 1940's....
You live in a democracy which uses the principle of one-man, one-vote and if lots of people are going to vote for something that you personally find distasteful, the onus is on you and your group to convince these people to vote for you, not slander them for voting against you. Politicians by and large speak down to the electorate trying to tell them what to think as 'mummy knows best'. Along comes someone who speaks directly to and connects with large numbers of voters, and has caused a national upset but that's democracy for you. If your case is so strong, it should be easy to win the argument but if you can't then perhaps it's time to question your own beliefs.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redhaired22[/bold] wrote: People have let their Xenophobia get in the way of reason..... http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2613565/Polish-invas ion-thats-SAVED-home -town-An-influx-25-0 00-Poles-left-Southa mptons-schools-burst ing-locals-feeling-p ushed-But-BARBARA-DA VIES-grew-theres-sto ry.html I'm the first one to slate the DM, but they actually came up with this balanced story! But of course it doesn't make good press, even the Echo have failed to run with it, and they're the same media group..... How about we promote what is good about being in Europe, how it helps our country, and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere? one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance. By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you![/p][/quote]Completely agree with you. It's the ignorant sheep that blame immigration on their own inadequacies and failures and fail to recognise the positives that immigration brings. Fuhrer Farage bleats on about restricting the number of immigrants but purely a head count on anybody with a different skin colour or country of origin. Immigration needs controlling but not on a head count but based on peoples skills and abilities. Immigration creates a rich society in the UK and attracts the best people from across Europe so not only does the quality of our output increase, our economy is contributed to too. UKIP don't care about this, their ideal is to return Britain back 100 years and focus on imperial measurements, formal dress in theatres and hotels, bring back grandeur to train travel and smoking rooms in pubs. All absolute crap that is no benefit to anybody other a group of extremist nationalists. Hitler did the same – he blamed all of Germany's problems on the Jews because many were successful and worked hard. Fuhrer Farage claims immigrants are taking British peoples jobs (the same jobs that the majority of British think are beneath them) so they continue to sit on their backsides and moan. Fuhrer Farage said himself that immigration has damaged the "white working class", singling out the white British from everybody else. The same party that say women can't be raped in marriage, talk about shooting gays and gay marriage causes bad weather. Can't you see the similarities between Fuhrer Adolf and Fuhrer Farage?![/p][/quote]You are correct . The issue is to actually see how ludicrous this party is you have to research their policies. a 5 year old to come up with better! In this day and age it seems to be too much effort for most people. The job are available for all but until we learn from the work ethic of our foreign friends things will not change. We have allowed a generation of poorly educated layabouts get away with not working and living off the state. These jobs are beneath them despite the fact that they have no qualifications or skills. The benefit system has to got back to what it was originally intended for, an emergency stop gap and not a lifestyle choice. Its very easy to pick on immigration whilst totally ignoring the main issues that we have allowed to manifest over the last couple of decades. Do you really want a party in power that wants to band certain books and documentaries and dictate what should and shouldn't be taught in school? A party that has morons talking about Bongo Bongo Land and how many people they have made pregnant whilst making ludicrous statements that have no basis on fact. You are correct - starts to smell a bit Germany 1940's....[/p][/quote]You live in a democracy which uses the principle of one-man, one-vote and if lots of people are going to vote for something that you personally find distasteful, the onus is on you and your group to convince these people to vote for you, not slander them for voting against you. Politicians by and large speak down to the electorate trying to tell them what to think as 'mummy knows best'. Along comes someone who speaks directly to and connects with large numbers of voters, and has caused a national upset but that's democracy for you. If your case is so strong, it should be easy to win the argument but if you can't then perhaps it's time to question your own beliefs. Torchie1
  • Score: -2

10:39am Fri 23 May 14

George4th says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Congratulations to Keith Morrell. Great win in Coxford in Independent campaign organised by exceptionally hard working popular and highly principled Councillor Don Thomas.

Both of them have shown the comittment to fight against ruthless cuts in services, destruction of the jobs and standing by people who elected them when they suffered due to cowardly and unprincipled decisions implemented by Thatcherised NuLabour run Southampton under the leadership of slippery Simon Letts, who one time used to pretend to be a lefty socialist, but when in power has shamelessly cut many services and destroyed jobs, which had survived even the nasty bonfire under the Tories.

Keith's win in Coxford has proved that us the ordinary people admire and support those with proven record of hard work and have faith in alternatives to the damaging right wing policies of Conservatised NuLabour, which has betrayed virtually all the good values of old Labour Party.

If those who had been busy attacking and even insulting Don and Keith (As slippery Simon Letts himself and his poodles and puppets in Council Chamber have often done and many NuLabourites along with right wingers have done on this site) have any sense of fairness left in their arrogant rightwing and opportunist blood they should do the decent thing, because apologising for their nastiness may be too much of humiliation and not their style, but they should stop those vile attacks and start showing the respect to Don and Keith as representatives of us the ordinary people of Coxford Ward.

Expecting Miliband led mob to follow the socialist path shown by Don and Keith may be too much to ask, but for the sake of the good brand name of Labour Party, which de facto Thatcher's political children exploit for misleading the voters, I must recommend that in good socialist faith.
Agreed!

Just shows you what a mess Labour is in, both locally and nationally!

Why would anyone vote Labour in again? They have always proven to be useless!

Why would you vote UKIP in either? They have absolutely no substance and are populated by those who cannot ply their politics anywhere else!
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Congratulations to Keith Morrell. Great win in Coxford in Independent campaign organised by exceptionally hard working popular and highly principled Councillor Don Thomas. Both of them have shown the comittment to fight against ruthless cuts in services, destruction of the jobs and standing by people who elected them when they suffered due to cowardly and unprincipled decisions implemented by Thatcherised NuLabour run Southampton under the leadership of slippery Simon Letts, who one time used to pretend to be a lefty socialist, but when in power has shamelessly cut many services and destroyed jobs, which had survived even the nasty bonfire under the Tories. Keith's win in Coxford has proved that us the ordinary people admire and support those with proven record of hard work and have faith in alternatives to the damaging right wing policies of Conservatised NuLabour, which has betrayed virtually all the good values of old Labour Party. If those who had been busy attacking and even insulting Don and Keith (As slippery Simon Letts himself and his poodles and puppets in Council Chamber have often done and many NuLabourites along with right wingers have done on this site) have any sense of fairness left in their arrogant rightwing and opportunist blood they should do the decent thing, because apologising for their nastiness may be too much of humiliation and not their style, but they should stop those vile attacks and start showing the respect to Don and Keith as representatives of us the ordinary people of Coxford Ward. Expecting Miliband led mob to follow the socialist path shown by Don and Keith may be too much to ask, but for the sake of the good brand name of Labour Party, which de facto Thatcher's political children exploit for misleading the voters, I must recommend that in good socialist faith.[/p][/quote]Agreed! Just shows you what a mess Labour is in, both locally and nationally! Why would anyone vote Labour in again? They have always proven to be useless! Why would you vote UKIP in either? They have absolutely no substance and are populated by those who cannot ply their politics anywhere else! George4th
  • Score: 5

10:40am Fri 23 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
Sham democracy ,we live in a banksters paradise .
Are you thinking of a banksman? I shouldn't have thought there could be more than 6 or 8 left with only a couple of deep mines.
[quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: Sham democracy ,we live in a banksters paradise .[/p][/quote]Are you thinking of a banksman? I shouldn't have thought there could be more than 6 or 8 left with only a couple of deep mines. Dai Rear
  • Score: -5

10:40am Fri 23 May 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

freefinker wrote:
Well, didn't TUSC do badly?
Their only bright spot was in Redbridge where they deselected southy and put in someone else.
And congratulations to Keith in Coxford, but as Linesman says the likes of him and TUSC can promise whatever because they will never obtain power.
And my prediction that the Greens would beat TUSC in every ward where they competed has come true, again.
Please tell us how many seats The Greens have won in Southampton?

Although I have greatest respect for John Spotteswoode who was Green candidate in Shirley and I believe he is exceptionally good like Alan Whitehead, I am glad that Hannah Coombs won in Shirley.

How can Greens lose even with an exceptionally good candidate? Because unlike Keith and Don in Coxford the Greens do not work hard and stay in touch with the people all the time.

Although my natural instinct was forcing me to vote for your favourite Green Party in European elections I managed to resist that because:

1:Their national Leader has made it clear that she is in love with the EU more than even Clamity Clegg.
2: Greens made no attempt to canvas for votes, they could not be bothered even to drop any leaflet.
3: I may have greatest respect for likes of Caroline Lucas and John Spotteswoode but why should I vote for the Party that has selected Angela Mowle as its Parliamentery candidate, the right wing unreliable opportunist who was only interested in her own ego when she was Southampton Labour Councillor.

So I reluctantly voted for Socialist Party GB, for simple reasons, it will be a wasted vote and at least they'd sent me not one but two of their so called manifesto, which in fact had plenty of slogans but neither mentioned any policy nor even used the words EU or Europe in it!!!! Hope you have seen that as well.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: Well, didn't TUSC do badly? Their only bright spot was in Redbridge where they deselected southy and put in someone else. And congratulations to Keith in Coxford, but as Linesman says the likes of him and TUSC can promise whatever because they will never obtain power. And my prediction that the Greens would beat TUSC in every ward where they competed has come true, again.[/p][/quote]Please tell us how many seats The Greens have won in Southampton? Although I have greatest respect for John Spotteswoode who was Green candidate in Shirley and I believe he is exceptionally good like Alan Whitehead, I am glad that Hannah Coombs won in Shirley. How can Greens lose even with an exceptionally good candidate? Because unlike Keith and Don in Coxford the Greens do not work hard and stay in touch with the people all the time. Although my natural instinct was forcing me to vote for your favourite Green Party in European elections I managed to resist that because: 1:Their national Leader has made it clear that she is in love with the EU more than even Clamity Clegg. 2: Greens made no attempt to canvas for votes, they could not be bothered even to drop any leaflet. 3: I may have greatest respect for likes of Caroline Lucas and John Spotteswoode but why should I vote for the Party that has selected Angela Mowle as its Parliamentery candidate, the right wing unreliable opportunist who was only interested in her own ego when she was Southampton Labour Councillor. So I reluctantly voted for Socialist Party GB, for simple reasons, it will be a wasted vote and at least they'd sent me not one but two of their so called manifesto, which in fact had plenty of slogans but neither mentioned any policy nor even used the words EU or Europe in it!!!! Hope you have seen that as well. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -3

10:42am Fri 23 May 14

George4th says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
As a socialist who believe in the values of Labour I may not have any time for NuLabour but for personal reasons I am glad that Hannah Coombs has won in Shirley, because she is the daughter of my friend and I know that she will keep on helping people, which is her nature and what she had been doing for few years while working in the office of our hard working MP Alan Whitehead's office.

NuLabour's success in Shirley, which used to be a strong Tory ward is the proof that those who work hard helping the people in their problems with the pen pushers and communicate with them properly, can succeed in winning respect of those who may not have shared their views.

That approach of Alan Whitehead MP and Cllr. Satvir Kaur in Shirley has contributed to Hannah's victory in Shirley and always helpful in case work of his constituents John Denham and local Councillor Bogle's work has won Bargate for NuLabour.

Same is the reason for Tory Cllr. Smith keep on winning in Harefield, which Alan Lloyd through sheer hard work had turned into a safe Labour ward, but the NuLabourites expelled him from their Group because like Don and Keith he always stood solid with people of his ward. After that nobody was there to listen to the people apart from demanding votes at election times. So Royston Smith, whose political views I am not ever likely to support, spotted the opportunity, worked hard and made it a Tory area.

Will these NuLabourites ever learn from their arrogant foolish and suicidal decisions and Toffs styles when dealing with ordinary people??? I think addiction to arrogance and Thatcherism and arrogance has become part of the the DNA of New Labour Beast
Does this not coincide with the decline of Shirley over the past x number of years?
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: As a socialist who believe in the values of Labour I may not have any time for NuLabour but for personal reasons I am glad that Hannah Coombs has won in Shirley, because she is the daughter of my friend and I know that she will keep on helping people, which is her nature and what she had been doing for few years while working in the office of our hard working MP Alan Whitehead's office. NuLabour's success in Shirley, which used to be a strong Tory ward is the proof that those who work hard helping the people in their problems with the pen pushers and communicate with them properly, can succeed in winning respect of those who may not have shared their views. That approach of Alan Whitehead MP and Cllr. Satvir Kaur in Shirley has contributed to Hannah's victory in Shirley and always helpful in case work of his constituents John Denham and local Councillor Bogle's work has won Bargate for NuLabour. Same is the reason for Tory Cllr. Smith keep on winning in Harefield, which Alan Lloyd through sheer hard work had turned into a safe Labour ward, but the NuLabourites expelled him from their Group because like Don and Keith he always stood solid with people of his ward. After that nobody was there to listen to the people apart from demanding votes at election times. So Royston Smith, whose political views I am not ever likely to support, spotted the opportunity, worked hard and made it a Tory area. Will these NuLabourites ever learn from their arrogant foolish and suicidal decisions and Toffs styles when dealing with ordinary people??? I think addiction to arrogance and Thatcherism and arrogance has become part of the the DNA of New Labour Beast[/p][/quote]Does this not coincide with the decline of Shirley over the past x number of years? George4th
  • Score: 4

10:48am Fri 23 May 14

southy says...

George4th wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
As a socialist who believe in the values of Labour I may not have any time for NuLabour but for personal reasons I am glad that Hannah Coombs has won in Shirley, because she is the daughter of my friend and I know that she will keep on helping people, which is her nature and what she had been doing for few years while working in the office of our hard working MP Alan Whitehead's office.

NuLabour's success in Shirley, which used to be a strong Tory ward is the proof that those who work hard helping the people in their problems with the pen pushers and communicate with them properly, can succeed in winning respect of those who may not have shared their views.

That approach of Alan Whitehead MP and Cllr. Satvir Kaur in Shirley has contributed to Hannah's victory in Shirley and always helpful in case work of his constituents John Denham and local Councillor Bogle's work has won Bargate for NuLabour.

Same is the reason for Tory Cllr. Smith keep on winning in Harefield, which Alan Lloyd through sheer hard work had turned into a safe Labour ward, but the NuLabourites expelled him from their Group because like Don and Keith he always stood solid with people of his ward. After that nobody was there to listen to the people apart from demanding votes at election times. So Royston Smith, whose political views I am not ever likely to support, spotted the opportunity, worked hard and made it a Tory area.

Will these NuLabourites ever learn from their arrogant foolish and suicidal decisions and Toffs styles when dealing with ordinary people??? I think addiction to arrogance and Thatcherism and arrogance has become part of the the DNA of New Labour Beast
Does this not coincide with the decline of Shirley over the past x number of years?
No the decline started while the Torys was in-control of the Council and Shirley, Do that answer your question
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: As a socialist who believe in the values of Labour I may not have any time for NuLabour but for personal reasons I am glad that Hannah Coombs has won in Shirley, because she is the daughter of my friend and I know that she will keep on helping people, which is her nature and what she had been doing for few years while working in the office of our hard working MP Alan Whitehead's office. NuLabour's success in Shirley, which used to be a strong Tory ward is the proof that those who work hard helping the people in their problems with the pen pushers and communicate with them properly, can succeed in winning respect of those who may not have shared their views. That approach of Alan Whitehead MP and Cllr. Satvir Kaur in Shirley has contributed to Hannah's victory in Shirley and always helpful in case work of his constituents John Denham and local Councillor Bogle's work has won Bargate for NuLabour. Same is the reason for Tory Cllr. Smith keep on winning in Harefield, which Alan Lloyd through sheer hard work had turned into a safe Labour ward, but the NuLabourites expelled him from their Group because like Don and Keith he always stood solid with people of his ward. After that nobody was there to listen to the people apart from demanding votes at election times. So Royston Smith, whose political views I am not ever likely to support, spotted the opportunity, worked hard and made it a Tory area. Will these NuLabourites ever learn from their arrogant foolish and suicidal decisions and Toffs styles when dealing with ordinary people??? I think addiction to arrogance and Thatcherism and arrogance has become part of the the DNA of New Labour Beast[/p][/quote]Does this not coincide with the decline of Shirley over the past x number of years?[/p][/quote]No the decline started while the Torys was in-control of the Council and Shirley, Do that answer your question southy
  • Score: -10

10:50am Fri 23 May 14

southy says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
Sham democracy ,we live in a banksters paradise .
Are you thinking of a banksman? I shouldn't have thought there could be more than 6 or 8 left with only a couple of deep mines.
Do you know what a banksman is
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: Sham democracy ,we live in a banksters paradise .[/p][/quote]Are you thinking of a banksman? I shouldn't have thought there could be more than 6 or 8 left with only a couple of deep mines.[/p][/quote]Do you know what a banksman is southy
  • Score: -3

10:56am Fri 23 May 14

Dai Rear says...

southy wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
Sham democracy ,we live in a banksters paradise .
Are you thinking of a banksman? I shouldn't have thought there could be more than 6 or 8 left with only a couple of deep mines.
Do you know what a banksman is
Yes dear. I worked in a town with 3 pits in the 80's. Did you?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: Sham democracy ,we live in a banksters paradise .[/p][/quote]Are you thinking of a banksman? I shouldn't have thought there could be more than 6 or 8 left with only a couple of deep mines.[/p][/quote]Do you know what a banksman is[/p][/quote]Yes dear. I worked in a town with 3 pits in the 80's. Did you? Dai Rear
  • Score: 0

10:57am Fri 23 May 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

freefinker wrote:
loosehead wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Well done to all those who stood in these elections, it is not easy standing for what you believe and losing, but all you that have lost have won because you make democracy great and one day your time may come.
Tories won 8 of the 16 seats, not bad, without UKIP we may have done better.
Sadly from my point of view we still have Labour in control, so no great council, but at least no smearing or lying this time.
Total respect for all candidates that stood worked hard and stood up for their beliefs.
Looking at the results UKIP kept Labour in power. But according to the results for Woolston UKIP now have a councillor or is Labours one vote a miss print?
.. use your brain.
Labour 'won' in Woolston, but the fools at the Echo have recorded it as 'one'.
And even bigger brainless wonders could not spot the mistake, because just one vote for an established party even when suffering from self inflicted injuries has got to be unbelievable.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Well done to all those who stood in these elections, it is not easy standing for what you believe and losing, but all you that have lost have won because you make democracy great and one day your time may come. Tories won 8 of the 16 seats, not bad, without UKIP we may have done better. Sadly from my point of view we still have Labour in control, so no great council, but at least no smearing or lying this time. Total respect for all candidates that stood worked hard and stood up for their beliefs.[/p][/quote]Looking at the results UKIP kept Labour in power. But according to the results for Woolston UKIP now have a councillor or is Labours one vote a miss print?[/p][/quote].. use your brain. Labour 'won' in Woolston, but the fools at the Echo have recorded it as 'one'.[/p][/quote]And even bigger brainless wonders could not spot the mistake, because just one vote for an established party even when suffering from self inflicted injuries has got to be unbelievable. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -4

11:07am Fri 23 May 14

southy says...

Dai Rear wrote:
southy wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
Sham democracy ,we live in a banksters paradise .
Are you thinking of a banksman? I shouldn't have thought there could be more than 6 or 8 left with only a couple of deep mines.
Do you know what a banksman is
Yes dear. I worked in a town with 3 pits in the 80's. Did you?
Well it seems you don't a banksman is a signaller, you will not just find them in mines they are all over the place, it is part of a fully qualified Riggers job but where there so few of them now days, you can get a banksman CITB ticket to work in mines, airports, docks, construction sites and heavey plant industry.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: Sham democracy ,we live in a banksters paradise .[/p][/quote]Are you thinking of a banksman? I shouldn't have thought there could be more than 6 or 8 left with only a couple of deep mines.[/p][/quote]Do you know what a banksman is[/p][/quote]Yes dear. I worked in a town with 3 pits in the 80's. Did you?[/p][/quote]Well it seems you don't a banksman is a signaller, you will not just find them in mines they are all over the place, it is part of a fully qualified Riggers job but where there so few of them now days, you can get a banksman CITB ticket to work in mines, airports, docks, construction sites and heavey plant industry. southy
  • Score: -6

11:07am Fri 23 May 14

southy says...

Dai Rear wrote:
southy wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
Sham democracy ,we live in a banksters paradise .
Are you thinking of a banksman? I shouldn't have thought there could be more than 6 or 8 left with only a couple of deep mines.
Do you know what a banksman is
Yes dear. I worked in a town with 3 pits in the 80's. Did you?
Well it seems you don't a banksman is a signaller, you will not just find them in mines they are all over the place, it is part of a fully qualified Riggers job but where there so few of them now days, you can get a banksman CITB ticket to work in mines, airports, docks, construction sites and heavy plant industry.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: Sham democracy ,we live in a banksters paradise .[/p][/quote]Are you thinking of a banksman? I shouldn't have thought there could be more than 6 or 8 left with only a couple of deep mines.[/p][/quote]Do you know what a banksman is[/p][/quote]Yes dear. I worked in a town with 3 pits in the 80's. Did you?[/p][/quote]Well it seems you don't a banksman is a signaller, you will not just find them in mines they are all over the place, it is part of a fully qualified Riggers job but where there so few of them now days, you can get a banksman CITB ticket to work in mines, airports, docks, construction sites and heavy plant industry. southy
  • Score: -8

11:11am Fri 23 May 14

southy says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Well, didn't TUSC do badly?
Their only bright spot was in Redbridge where they deselected southy and put in someone else.
And congratulations to Keith in Coxford, but as Linesman says the likes of him and TUSC can promise whatever because they will never obtain power.
And my prediction that the Greens would beat TUSC in every ward where they competed has come true, again.
Please tell us how many seats The Greens have won in Southampton?

Although I have greatest respect for John Spotteswoode who was Green candidate in Shirley and I believe he is exceptionally good like Alan Whitehead, I am glad that Hannah Coombs won in Shirley.

How can Greens lose even with an exceptionally good candidate? Because unlike Keith and Don in Coxford the Greens do not work hard and stay in touch with the people all the time.

Although my natural instinct was forcing me to vote for your favourite Green Party in European elections I managed to resist that because:

1:Their national Leader has made it clear that she is in love with the EU more than even Clamity Clegg.
2: Greens made no attempt to canvas for votes, they could not be bothered even to drop any leaflet.
3: I may have greatest respect for likes of Caroline Lucas and John Spotteswoode but why should I vote for the Party that has selected Angela Mowle as its Parliamentery candidate, the right wing unreliable opportunist who was only interested in her own ego when she was Southampton Labour Councillor.

So I reluctantly voted for Socialist Party GB, for simple reasons, it will be a wasted vote and at least they'd sent me not one but two of their so called manifesto, which in fact had plenty of slogans but neither mentioned any policy nor even used the words EU or Europe in it!!!! Hope you have seen that as well.
I done the same for the EU
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: Well, didn't TUSC do badly? Their only bright spot was in Redbridge where they deselected southy and put in someone else. And congratulations to Keith in Coxford, but as Linesman says the likes of him and TUSC can promise whatever because they will never obtain power. And my prediction that the Greens would beat TUSC in every ward where they competed has come true, again.[/p][/quote]Please tell us how many seats The Greens have won in Southampton? Although I have greatest respect for John Spotteswoode who was Green candidate in Shirley and I believe he is exceptionally good like Alan Whitehead, I am glad that Hannah Coombs won in Shirley. How can Greens lose even with an exceptionally good candidate? Because unlike Keith and Don in Coxford the Greens do not work hard and stay in touch with the people all the time. Although my natural instinct was forcing me to vote for your favourite Green Party in European elections I managed to resist that because: 1:Their national Leader has made it clear that she is in love with the EU more than even Clamity Clegg. 2: Greens made no attempt to canvas for votes, they could not be bothered even to drop any leaflet. 3: I may have greatest respect for likes of Caroline Lucas and John Spotteswoode but why should I vote for the Party that has selected Angela Mowle as its Parliamentery candidate, the right wing unreliable opportunist who was only interested in her own ego when she was Southampton Labour Councillor. So I reluctantly voted for Socialist Party GB, for simple reasons, it will be a wasted vote and at least they'd sent me not one but two of their so called manifesto, which in fact had plenty of slogans but neither mentioned any policy nor even used the words EU or Europe in it!!!! Hope you have seen that as well.[/p][/quote]I done the same for the EU southy
  • Score: -6

11:12am Fri 23 May 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
Sham democracy ,we live in a banksters paradise .
Are you thinking of a banksman? I shouldn't have thought there could be more than 6 or 8 left with only a couple of deep mines.
no , they work in the square mile , with fake phoney lickspittles in westminster , pointing the finger at foreigners ,the sick and the poor for the banksters fraud .
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: Sham democracy ,we live in a banksters paradise .[/p][/quote]Are you thinking of a banksman? I shouldn't have thought there could be more than 6 or 8 left with only a couple of deep mines.[/p][/quote]no , they work in the square mile , with fake phoney lickspittles in westminster , pointing the finger at foreigners ,the sick and the poor for the banksters fraud . Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: 0

11:12am Fri 23 May 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

George4th wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
As a socialist who believe in the values of Labour I may not have any time for NuLabour but for personal reasons I am glad that Hannah Coombs has won in Shirley, because she is the daughter of my friend and I know that she will keep on helping people, which is her nature and what she had been doing for few years while working in the office of our hard working MP Alan Whitehead's office.

NuLabour's success in Shirley, which used to be a strong Tory ward is the proof that those who work hard helping the people in their problems with the pen pushers and communicate with them properly, can succeed in winning respect of those who may not have shared their views.

That approach of Alan Whitehead MP and Cllr. Satvir Kaur in Shirley has contributed to Hannah's victory in Shirley and always helpful in case work of his constituents John Denham and local Councillor Bogle's work has won Bargate for NuLabour.

Same is the reason for Tory Cllr. Smith keep on winning in Harefield, which Alan Lloyd through sheer hard work had turned into a safe Labour ward, but the NuLabourites expelled him from their Group because like Don and Keith he always stood solid with people of his ward. After that nobody was there to listen to the people apart from demanding votes at election times. So Royston Smith, whose political views I am not ever likely to support, spotted the opportunity, worked hard and made it a Tory area.

Will these NuLabourites ever learn from their arrogant foolish and suicidal decisions and Toffs styles when dealing with ordinary people??? I think addiction to arrogance and Thatcherism and arrogance has become part of the the DNA of New Labour Beast
Does this not coincide with the decline of Shirley over the past x number of years?
Shirley along with Bassett used to be strong Tory ward, but they lost it because of Tory councillors started taking voters for guranted and treating them with virtual contempt. Tories managed to make a comeback few years later and Paula Holt worked hard to make it fairly safe again, but when she decided to give up NuLabour's Satvir Kaur spotted the situation developed communication with the people helped people in dealing with authorities and has contributed towards the success of Hannah Coombs.

If both of them keep on doing that, which I think they will do, even NuLabour can hold on to Shirley.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: As a socialist who believe in the values of Labour I may not have any time for NuLabour but for personal reasons I am glad that Hannah Coombs has won in Shirley, because she is the daughter of my friend and I know that she will keep on helping people, which is her nature and what she had been doing for few years while working in the office of our hard working MP Alan Whitehead's office. NuLabour's success in Shirley, which used to be a strong Tory ward is the proof that those who work hard helping the people in their problems with the pen pushers and communicate with them properly, can succeed in winning respect of those who may not have shared their views. That approach of Alan Whitehead MP and Cllr. Satvir Kaur in Shirley has contributed to Hannah's victory in Shirley and always helpful in case work of his constituents John Denham and local Councillor Bogle's work has won Bargate for NuLabour. Same is the reason for Tory Cllr. Smith keep on winning in Harefield, which Alan Lloyd through sheer hard work had turned into a safe Labour ward, but the NuLabourites expelled him from their Group because like Don and Keith he always stood solid with people of his ward. After that nobody was there to listen to the people apart from demanding votes at election times. So Royston Smith, whose political views I am not ever likely to support, spotted the opportunity, worked hard and made it a Tory area. Will these NuLabourites ever learn from their arrogant foolish and suicidal decisions and Toffs styles when dealing with ordinary people??? I think addiction to arrogance and Thatcherism and arrogance has become part of the the DNA of New Labour Beast[/p][/quote]Does this not coincide with the decline of Shirley over the past x number of years?[/p][/quote]Shirley along with Bassett used to be strong Tory ward, but they lost it because of Tory councillors started taking voters for guranted and treating them with virtual contempt. Tories managed to make a comeback few years later and Paula Holt worked hard to make it fairly safe again, but when she decided to give up NuLabour's Satvir Kaur spotted the situation developed communication with the people helped people in dealing with authorities and has contributed towards the success of Hannah Coombs. If both of them keep on doing that, which I think they will do, even NuLabour can hold on to Shirley. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -1

11:13am Fri 23 May 14

aldermoorboy says...

Well done Royston, 600 more votes for the Tories in Itchen than Labour, even with the UKIP Factor.

Maybe Royston will be a Southampton MP next year.

Result Tories 8 wards -Labour 8 wards.
Well done Royston, 600 more votes for the Tories in Itchen than Labour, even with the UKIP Factor. Maybe Royston will be a Southampton MP next year. Result Tories 8 wards -Labour 8 wards. aldermoorboy
  • Score: 7

11:13am Fri 23 May 14

Dai Rear says...

southy wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
southy wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
Sham democracy ,we live in a banksters paradise .
Are you thinking of a banksman? I shouldn't have thought there could be more than 6 or 8 left with only a couple of deep mines.
Do you know what a banksman is
Yes dear. I worked in a town with 3 pits in the 80's. Did you?
Well it seems you don't a banksman is a signaller, you will not just find them in mines they are all over the place, it is part of a fully qualified Riggers job but where there so few of them now days, you can get a banksman CITB ticket to work in mines, airports, docks, construction sites and heavy plant industry.
OK , so why does Bob feel that things are so good for them these days? He's very quiet about it. Maybe no more tickets are to be issued so if you've got one it'll be like being an NGA man before Wapping.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: Sham democracy ,we live in a banksters paradise .[/p][/quote]Are you thinking of a banksman? I shouldn't have thought there could be more than 6 or 8 left with only a couple of deep mines.[/p][/quote]Do you know what a banksman is[/p][/quote]Yes dear. I worked in a town with 3 pits in the 80's. Did you?[/p][/quote]Well it seems you don't a banksman is a signaller, you will not just find them in mines they are all over the place, it is part of a fully qualified Riggers job but where there so few of them now days, you can get a banksman CITB ticket to work in mines, airports, docks, construction sites and heavy plant industry.[/p][/quote]OK , so why does Bob feel that things are so good for them these days? He's very quiet about it. Maybe no more tickets are to be issued so if you've got one it'll be like being an NGA man before Wapping. Dai Rear
  • Score: 0

11:24am Fri 23 May 14

southy says...

Dai Rear wrote:
southy wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
southy wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
Sham democracy ,we live in a banksters paradise .
Are you thinking of a banksman? I shouldn't have thought there could be more than 6 or 8 left with only a couple of deep mines.
Do you know what a banksman is
Yes dear. I worked in a town with 3 pits in the 80's. Did you?
Well it seems you don't a banksman is a signaller, you will not just find them in mines they are all over the place, it is part of a fully qualified Riggers job but where there so few of them now days, you can get a banksman CITB ticket to work in mines, airports, docks, construction sites and heavy plant industry.
OK , so why does Bob feel that things are so good for them these days? He's very quiet about it. Maybe no more tickets are to be issued so if you've got one it'll be like being an NGA man before Wapping.
He on about Bankers as in finance.

as for CITB and the other one training as a banksman as not stop there are 100's of them in the country, a Ticket only last so long before a refresher course is need to be taken also I don't need one personally my self as Rigging is my trade and I get grandfathers rights on all jobs that riggers jobs that others need CITB tickets for.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: Sham democracy ,we live in a banksters paradise .[/p][/quote]Are you thinking of a banksman? I shouldn't have thought there could be more than 6 or 8 left with only a couple of deep mines.[/p][/quote]Do you know what a banksman is[/p][/quote]Yes dear. I worked in a town with 3 pits in the 80's. Did you?[/p][/quote]Well it seems you don't a banksman is a signaller, you will not just find them in mines they are all over the place, it is part of a fully qualified Riggers job but where there so few of them now days, you can get a banksman CITB ticket to work in mines, airports, docks, construction sites and heavy plant industry.[/p][/quote]OK , so why does Bob feel that things are so good for them these days? He's very quiet about it. Maybe no more tickets are to be issued so if you've got one it'll be like being an NGA man before Wapping.[/p][/quote]He on about Bankers as in finance. as for CITB and the other one training as a banksman as not stop there are 100's of them in the country, a Ticket only last so long before a refresher course is need to be taken also I don't need one personally my self as Rigging is my trade and I get grandfathers rights on all jobs that riggers jobs that others need CITB tickets for. southy
  • Score: -2

11:27am Fri 23 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Bob must have been writing this as I did. Bob , it's the same old, same old-bankers made everyone borrow too much, bankers practised vivisection on un-anaesthetised animals, etc etc. They didn't invent original sin Bob, they tee me off with all the unnecessary insurance scams and fixes but they didn't make Brown spend like there was no tomorrow, they didn't make him destroy our pensions. He would be hurt to hear you. He did it all himself. Brown bu**ered up Britain.
Bob must have been writing this as I did. Bob , it's the same old, same old-bankers made everyone borrow too much, bankers practised vivisection on un-anaesthetised animals, etc etc. They didn't invent original sin Bob, they tee me off with all the unnecessary insurance scams and fixes but they didn't make Brown spend like there was no tomorrow, they didn't make him destroy our pensions. He would be hurt to hear you. He did it all himself. Brown bu**ered up Britain. Dai Rear
  • Score: -2

11:27am Fri 23 May 14

southy says...

PS Dai Rear
He said banksters and not banksman.
Gangsters Paradise = Banksters Paradise
PS Dai Rear He said banksters and not banksman. Gangsters Paradise = Banksters Paradise southy
  • Score: -1

11:38am Fri 23 May 14

Brock_and_Roll says...

Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
Sham democracy ,we live in a banksters paradise .
Are you thinking of a banksman? I shouldn't have thought there could be more than 6 or 8 left with only a couple of deep mines.
no , they work in the square mile , with fake phoney lickspittles in westminster , pointing the finger at foreigners ,the sick and the poor for the banksters fraud .
If I were you I would stop smoking whatever it is that your smoking......serious
ly do you think that the rise of UKIP is all part of some grand criminal banker conspiracy? Anyone else involved? Martians? Freemasons? Masonic Martians?

I am a banker, and I work in the square mile. I am also skint, and as cheesed off as everyone else about what happened. Many banks lent far to much, too cheaply to individuals, companies and countries who were more than happy at the time to borrow & spend. Along the way quite a few bankers got very rich.

Foot soldiers such as my colleagues knew that the whole country, indeed most of the world was over-extended, but nothing we could do. When the bubble burst a lot of innocent people got hurt and we are now in the "hangover" period when personal and national finances have to de-leverage to more sustainable levels.

Just blaming the bankers on their own is a bit like blaming McDonalds for making you fat....or that spliff for making you paranoid!
[quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: Sham democracy ,we live in a banksters paradise .[/p][/quote]Are you thinking of a banksman? I shouldn't have thought there could be more than 6 or 8 left with only a couple of deep mines.[/p][/quote]no , they work in the square mile , with fake phoney lickspittles in westminster , pointing the finger at foreigners ,the sick and the poor for the banksters fraud .[/p][/quote]If I were you I would stop smoking whatever it is that your smoking......serious ly do you think that the rise of UKIP is all part of some grand criminal banker conspiracy? Anyone else involved? Martians? Freemasons? Masonic Martians? I am a banker, and I work in the square mile. I am also skint, and as cheesed off as everyone else about what happened. Many banks lent far to much, too cheaply to individuals, companies and countries who were more than happy at the time to borrow & spend. Along the way quite a few bankers got very rich. Foot soldiers such as my colleagues knew that the whole country, indeed most of the world was over-extended, but nothing we could do. When the bubble burst a lot of innocent people got hurt and we are now in the "hangover" period when personal and national finances have to de-leverage to more sustainable levels. Just blaming the bankers on their own is a bit like blaming McDonalds for making you fat....or that spliff for making you paranoid! Brock_and_Roll
  • Score: 0

11:39am Fri 23 May 14

Quizbook says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Congratulations to Keith Morrell. Great win in Coxford in Independent campaign organised by exceptionally hard working popular and highly principled Councillor Don Thomas.

Both of them have shown the comittment to fight against ruthless cuts in services, destruction of the jobs and standing by people who elected them when they suffered due to cowardly and unprincipled decisions implemented by Thatcherised NuLabour run Southampton under the leadership of slippery Simon Letts, who one time used to pretend to be a lefty socialist, but when in power has shamelessly cut many services and destroyed jobs, which had survived even the nasty bonfire under the Tories.

Keith's win in Coxford has proved that us the ordinary people admire and support those with proven record of hard work and have faith in alternatives to the damaging right wing policies of Conservatised NuLabour, which has betrayed virtually all the good values of old Labour Party.

If those who had been busy attacking and even insulting Don and Keith (As slippery Simon Letts himself and his poodles and puppets in Council Chamber have often done and many NuLabourites along with right wingers have done on this site) have any sense of fairness left in their arrogant rightwing and opportunist blood they should do the decent thing, because apologising for their nastiness may be too much of humiliation and not their style, but they should stop those vile attacks and start showing the respect to Don and Keith as representatives of us the ordinary people of Coxford Ward.

Expecting Miliband led mob to follow the socialist path shown by Don and Keith may be too much to ask, but for the sake of the good brand name of Labour Party, which de facto Thatcher's political children exploit for misleading the voters, I must recommend that in good socialist faith.
Amazing. Keith got more than twice the Labour vote. This shows that a well run, openly left-wing campaign, can offer an alternative to the little Englanders of Ukip.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Congratulations to Keith Morrell. Great win in Coxford in Independent campaign organised by exceptionally hard working popular and highly principled Councillor Don Thomas. Both of them have shown the comittment to fight against ruthless cuts in services, destruction of the jobs and standing by people who elected them when they suffered due to cowardly and unprincipled decisions implemented by Thatcherised NuLabour run Southampton under the leadership of slippery Simon Letts, who one time used to pretend to be a lefty socialist, but when in power has shamelessly cut many services and destroyed jobs, which had survived even the nasty bonfire under the Tories. Keith's win in Coxford has proved that us the ordinary people admire and support those with proven record of hard work and have faith in alternatives to the damaging right wing policies of Conservatised NuLabour, which has betrayed virtually all the good values of old Labour Party. If those who had been busy attacking and even insulting Don and Keith (As slippery Simon Letts himself and his poodles and puppets in Council Chamber have often done and many NuLabourites along with right wingers have done on this site) have any sense of fairness left in their arrogant rightwing and opportunist blood they should do the decent thing, because apologising for their nastiness may be too much of humiliation and not their style, but they should stop those vile attacks and start showing the respect to Don and Keith as representatives of us the ordinary people of Coxford Ward. Expecting Miliband led mob to follow the socialist path shown by Don and Keith may be too much to ask, but for the sake of the good brand name of Labour Party, which de facto Thatcher's political children exploit for misleading the voters, I must recommend that in good socialist faith.[/p][/quote]Amazing. Keith got more than twice the Labour vote. This shows that a well run, openly left-wing campaign, can offer an alternative to the little Englanders of Ukip. Quizbook
  • Score: 3

11:39am Fri 23 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

elvisimo wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Redhaired22 wrote:
People have let their Xenophobia get in the way of reason.....
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I'm the first one to slate the DM, but they actually came up with this balanced story! But of course it doesn't make good press, even the Echo have failed to run with it, and they're the same media group..... How about we promote what is good about being in Europe, how it helps our country, and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere? one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance. By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you!
Completely agree with you. It's the ignorant sheep that blame immigration on their own inadequacies and failures and fail to recognise the positives that immigration brings. Fuhrer Farage bleats on about restricting the number of immigrants but purely a head count on anybody with a different skin colour or country of origin. Immigration needs controlling but not on a head count but based on peoples skills and abilities.

Immigration creates a rich society in the UK and attracts the best people from across Europe so not only does the quality of our output increase, our economy is contributed to too. UKIP don't care about this, their ideal is to return Britain back 100 years and focus on imperial measurements, formal dress in theatres and hotels, bring back grandeur to train travel and smoking rooms in pubs. All absolute crap that is no benefit to anybody other a group of extremist nationalists.

Hitler did the same – he blamed all of Germany's problems on the Jews because many were successful and worked hard. Fuhrer Farage claims immigrants are taking British peoples jobs (the same jobs that the majority of British think are beneath them) so they continue to sit on their backsides and moan. Fuhrer Farage said himself that immigration has damaged the "white working class", singling out the white British from everybody else. The same party that say women can't be raped in marriage, talk about shooting gays and gay marriage causes bad weather.

Can't you see the similarities between Fuhrer Adolf and Fuhrer Farage?!
You are correct . The issue is to actually see how ludicrous this party is you have to research their policies. a 5 year old to come up with better! In this day and age it seems to be too much effort for most people.

The job are available for all but until we learn from the work ethic of our foreign friends things will not change.

We have allowed a generation of poorly educated layabouts get away with not working and living off the state. These jobs are beneath them despite the fact that they have no qualifications or skills.

The benefit system has to got back to what it was originally intended for, an emergency stop gap and not a lifestyle choice.

Its very easy to pick on immigration whilst totally ignoring the main issues that we have allowed to manifest over the last couple of decades.

Do you really want a party in power that wants to band certain books and documentaries and dictate what should and shouldn't be taught in school? A party that has morons talking about Bongo Bongo Land and how many people they have made pregnant whilst making ludicrous statements that have no basis on fact. You are correct - starts to smell a bit Germany 1940's....
Exactly, people are pointing the finger of blame towards immigration because they're an easy target. They're being used as a scapegoat for their own inadequacies. The only problem with immigration was it was uncontrolled by Labour and the country couldn't cope. A lot of these layabout British actually believe they have more rights than an immigrant because they were born in the UK. It's rubbish, I'm sure most people would rather see people in the UK that work, contribute to our country and our economy regardless of what country they're from rather than have a load of benefit dependent scroungers that are embarrassing representatives of "British values". In many parts of Europe the UK has an image of being lazy, ignorant and overweight. Hardly surprising at the stomach turning thought of 20 stone Brits sat in Spain, refusing to attempt to speak the language and demanding eggs, chips and beer… One of the big problems with the UK is its indigenous people, they're spoilt, lazy and have become complacent and ignorant. It's only natural that somebody else is to blame when something goes wrong especially after being wrapped up in cotton wool by "Nanny Labour" for so long.

Times change and the UK has changed too, its changed for the better and there's no going back. What benefit is formal dress in theatre, grandeur on trains, restricting foreigners on football teams and smoking in pubs? The list goes on… The loonies may have abandoned these policies but these pointless policies are at the route of their beliefs. It would seem that UKIP would be happy if Britain had an Empire again, "send them all back" as one member said, all the coloured people lived in their own countries or worked on their plantations and gays were prosecuted for who they are. Things change for a reason and the violent way that Britain controlled half the world was wrong and in the past. We live in a modern world, immensely different from 50 years ago. The technology we have has advanced us more than we have ever been. With this comes integration with the rest of the world, rather than trying to control it and take the good bits you want but refuse to give anything back.

As a newspaper in 1868 said about the Royal Mail " The railway, the telegraph, the Post Office, have taught populations sundered by hundreds or thousands of miles that they are part, after all, of the same human family."
This is a great analogy, even 150 years ago people appreciated each other. What a very sad state the UK has become, and all due to the behaviour of its indigenous people. All those years of education and learning from history to fight discrimination and intolerance and we're back to this – people being judged and denied equal rights because they might have been born in Poland, or be gay, or have brown skin. It's sickening.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redhaired22[/bold] wrote: People have let their Xenophobia get in the way of reason..... http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2613565/Polish-invas ion-thats-SAVED-home -town-An-influx-25-0 00-Poles-left-Southa mptons-schools-burst ing-locals-feeling-p ushed-But-BARBARA-DA VIES-grew-theres-sto ry.html I'm the first one to slate the DM, but they actually came up with this balanced story! But of course it doesn't make good press, even the Echo have failed to run with it, and they're the same media group..... How about we promote what is good about being in Europe, how it helps our country, and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere? one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance. By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you![/p][/quote]Completely agree with you. It's the ignorant sheep that blame immigration on their own inadequacies and failures and fail to recognise the positives that immigration brings. Fuhrer Farage bleats on about restricting the number of immigrants but purely a head count on anybody with a different skin colour or country of origin. Immigration needs controlling but not on a head count but based on peoples skills and abilities. Immigration creates a rich society in the UK and attracts the best people from across Europe so not only does the quality of our output increase, our economy is contributed to too. UKIP don't care about this, their ideal is to return Britain back 100 years and focus on imperial measurements, formal dress in theatres and hotels, bring back grandeur to train travel and smoking rooms in pubs. All absolute crap that is no benefit to anybody other a group of extremist nationalists. Hitler did the same – he blamed all of Germany's problems on the Jews because many were successful and worked hard. Fuhrer Farage claims immigrants are taking British peoples jobs (the same jobs that the majority of British think are beneath them) so they continue to sit on their backsides and moan. Fuhrer Farage said himself that immigration has damaged the "white working class", singling out the white British from everybody else. The same party that say women can't be raped in marriage, talk about shooting gays and gay marriage causes bad weather. Can't you see the similarities between Fuhrer Adolf and Fuhrer Farage?![/p][/quote]You are correct . The issue is to actually see how ludicrous this party is you have to research their policies. a 5 year old to come up with better! In this day and age it seems to be too much effort for most people. The job are available for all but until we learn from the work ethic of our foreign friends things will not change. We have allowed a generation of poorly educated layabouts get away with not working and living off the state. These jobs are beneath them despite the fact that they have no qualifications or skills. The benefit system has to got back to what it was originally intended for, an emergency stop gap and not a lifestyle choice. Its very easy to pick on immigration whilst totally ignoring the main issues that we have allowed to manifest over the last couple of decades. Do you really want a party in power that wants to band certain books and documentaries and dictate what should and shouldn't be taught in school? A party that has morons talking about Bongo Bongo Land and how many people they have made pregnant whilst making ludicrous statements that have no basis on fact. You are correct - starts to smell a bit Germany 1940's....[/p][/quote]Exactly, people are pointing the finger of blame towards immigration because they're an easy target. They're being used as a scapegoat for their own inadequacies. The only problem with immigration was it was uncontrolled by Labour and the country couldn't cope. A lot of these layabout British actually believe they have more rights than an immigrant because they were born in the UK. It's rubbish, I'm sure most people would rather see people in the UK that work, contribute to our country and our economy regardless of what country they're from rather than have a load of benefit dependent scroungers that are embarrassing representatives of "British values". In many parts of Europe the UK has an image of being lazy, ignorant and overweight. Hardly surprising at the stomach turning thought of 20 stone Brits sat in Spain, refusing to attempt to speak the language and demanding eggs, chips and beer… One of the big problems with the UK is its indigenous people, they're spoilt, lazy and have become complacent and ignorant. It's only natural that somebody else is to blame when something goes wrong especially after being wrapped up in cotton wool by "Nanny Labour" for so long. Times change and the UK has changed too, its changed for the better and there's no going back. What benefit is formal dress in theatre, grandeur on trains, restricting foreigners on football teams and smoking in pubs? The list goes on… The loonies may have abandoned these policies but these pointless policies are at the route of their beliefs. It would seem that UKIP would be happy if Britain had an Empire again, "send them all back" as one member said, all the coloured people lived in their own countries or worked on their plantations and gays were prosecuted for who they are. Things change for a reason and the violent way that Britain controlled half the world was wrong and in the past. We live in a modern world, immensely different from 50 years ago. The technology we have has advanced us more than we have ever been. With this comes integration with the rest of the world, rather than trying to control it and take the good bits you want but refuse to give anything back. As a newspaper in 1868 said about the Royal Mail " The railway, the telegraph, the Post Office, have taught populations sundered by hundreds or thousands of miles that they are part, after all, of the same human family." This is a great analogy, even 150 years ago people appreciated each other. What a very sad state the UK has become, and all due to the behaviour of its indigenous people. All those years of education and learning from history to fight discrimination and intolerance and we're back to this – people being judged and denied equal rights because they might have been born in Poland, or be gay, or have brown skin. It's sickening. sotonboy84
  • Score: 8

11:40am Fri 23 May 14

southy says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
George4th wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
As a socialist who believe in the values of Labour I may not have any time for NuLabour but for personal reasons I am glad that Hannah Coombs has won in Shirley, because she is the daughter of my friend and I know that she will keep on helping people, which is her nature and what she had been doing for few years while working in the office of our hard working MP Alan Whitehead's office.

NuLabour's success in Shirley, which used to be a strong Tory ward is the proof that those who work hard helping the people in their problems with the pen pushers and communicate with them properly, can succeed in winning respect of those who may not have shared their views.

That approach of Alan Whitehead MP and Cllr. Satvir Kaur in Shirley has contributed to Hannah's victory in Shirley and always helpful in case work of his constituents John Denham and local Councillor Bogle's work has won Bargate for NuLabour.

Same is the reason for Tory Cllr. Smith keep on winning in Harefield, which Alan Lloyd through sheer hard work had turned into a safe Labour ward, but the NuLabourites expelled him from their Group because like Don and Keith he always stood solid with people of his ward. After that nobody was there to listen to the people apart from demanding votes at election times. So Royston Smith, whose political views I am not ever likely to support, spotted the opportunity, worked hard and made it a Tory area.

Will these NuLabourites ever learn from their arrogant foolish and suicidal decisions and Toffs styles when dealing with ordinary people??? I think addiction to arrogance and Thatcherism and arrogance has become part of the the DNA of New Labour Beast
Does this not coincide with the decline of Shirley over the past x number of years?
Shirley along with Bassett used to be strong Tory ward, but they lost it because of Tory councillors started taking voters for guranted and treating them with virtual contempt. Tories managed to make a comeback few years later and Paula Holt worked hard to make it fairly safe again, but when she decided to give up NuLabour's Satvir Kaur spotted the situation developed communication with the people helped people in dealing with authorities and has contributed towards the success of Hannah Coombs.

If both of them keep on doing that, which I think they will do, even NuLabour can hold on to Shirley.
I will give Salvir Kaur due she did get that communication going with the locals before she was elected in office, we see her a few times taking to people while doing a stall out side Sainsbury's in Shirley
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: As a socialist who believe in the values of Labour I may not have any time for NuLabour but for personal reasons I am glad that Hannah Coombs has won in Shirley, because she is the daughter of my friend and I know that she will keep on helping people, which is her nature and what she had been doing for few years while working in the office of our hard working MP Alan Whitehead's office. NuLabour's success in Shirley, which used to be a strong Tory ward is the proof that those who work hard helping the people in their problems with the pen pushers and communicate with them properly, can succeed in winning respect of those who may not have shared their views. That approach of Alan Whitehead MP and Cllr. Satvir Kaur in Shirley has contributed to Hannah's victory in Shirley and always helpful in case work of his constituents John Denham and local Councillor Bogle's work has won Bargate for NuLabour. Same is the reason for Tory Cllr. Smith keep on winning in Harefield, which Alan Lloyd through sheer hard work had turned into a safe Labour ward, but the NuLabourites expelled him from their Group because like Don and Keith he always stood solid with people of his ward. After that nobody was there to listen to the people apart from demanding votes at election times. So Royston Smith, whose political views I am not ever likely to support, spotted the opportunity, worked hard and made it a Tory area. Will these NuLabourites ever learn from their arrogant foolish and suicidal decisions and Toffs styles when dealing with ordinary people??? I think addiction to arrogance and Thatcherism and arrogance has become part of the the DNA of New Labour Beast[/p][/quote]Does this not coincide with the decline of Shirley over the past x number of years?[/p][/quote]Shirley along with Bassett used to be strong Tory ward, but they lost it because of Tory councillors started taking voters for guranted and treating them with virtual contempt. Tories managed to make a comeback few years later and Paula Holt worked hard to make it fairly safe again, but when she decided to give up NuLabour's Satvir Kaur spotted the situation developed communication with the people helped people in dealing with authorities and has contributed towards the success of Hannah Coombs. If both of them keep on doing that, which I think they will do, even NuLabour can hold on to Shirley.[/p][/quote]I will give Salvir Kaur due she did get that communication going with the locals before she was elected in office, we see her a few times taking to people while doing a stall out side Sainsbury's in Shirley southy
  • Score: -1

11:41am Fri 23 May 14

eastsidemush says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Redhaired22 wrote:
People have let their Xenophobia get in the way of reason.....
http://www.dailymail


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I'm the first one to slate the DM, but they actually came up with this balanced story! But of course it doesn't make good press, even the Echo have failed to run with it, and they're the same media group..... How about we promote what is good about being in Europe, how it helps our country, and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere? one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance. By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you!
Completely agree with you. It's the ignorant sheep that blame immigration on their own inadequacies and failures and fail to recognise the positives that immigration brings. Fuhrer Farage bleats on about restricting the number of immigrants but purely a head count on anybody with a different skin colour or country of origin. Immigration needs controlling but not on a head count but based on peoples skills and abilities.

Immigration creates a rich society in the UK and attracts the best people from across Europe so not only does the quality of our output increase, our economy is contributed to too. UKIP don't care about this, their ideal is to return Britain back 100 years and focus on imperial measurements, formal dress in theatres and hotels, bring back grandeur to train travel and smoking rooms in pubs. All absolute crap that is no benefit to anybody other a group of extremist nationalists.

Hitler did the same – he blamed all of Germany's problems on the Jews because many were successful and worked hard. Fuhrer Farage claims immigrants are taking British peoples jobs (the same jobs that the majority of British think are beneath them) so they continue to sit on their backsides and moan. Fuhrer Farage said himself that immigration has damaged the "white working class", singling out the white British from everybody else. The same party that say women can't be raped in marriage, talk about shooting gays and gay marriage causes bad weather.

Can't you see the similarities between Fuhrer Adolf and Fuhrer Farage?!
Oh dear sotonboy, you really are a very deluded and warped person aren't you. Never mind, at least you must feel at home on this site. It seems to be a popular venue for fellow left wing knuckle draggers such as yourself.
Looking forward to the EU results on Sunday night are you? ............ No?
I think you may be a tad disappointed eh.
UKIP! .......... Onwards and upwards.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redhaired22[/bold] wrote: People have let their Xenophobia get in the way of reason..... http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2613565/Polish-invas ion-thats-SAVED-home -town-An-influx-25-0 00-Poles-left-Southa mptons-schools-burst ing-locals-feeling-p ushed-But-BARBARA-DA VIES-grew-theres-sto ry.html I'm the first one to slate the DM, but they actually came up with this balanced story! But of course it doesn't make good press, even the Echo have failed to run with it, and they're the same media group..... How about we promote what is good about being in Europe, how it helps our country, and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere? one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance. By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you![/p][/quote]Completely agree with you. It's the ignorant sheep that blame immigration on their own inadequacies and failures and fail to recognise the positives that immigration brings. Fuhrer Farage bleats on about restricting the number of immigrants but purely a head count on anybody with a different skin colour or country of origin. Immigration needs controlling but not on a head count but based on peoples skills and abilities. Immigration creates a rich society in the UK and attracts the best people from across Europe so not only does the quality of our output increase, our economy is contributed to too. UKIP don't care about this, their ideal is to return Britain back 100 years and focus on imperial measurements, formal dress in theatres and hotels, bring back grandeur to train travel and smoking rooms in pubs. All absolute crap that is no benefit to anybody other a group of extremist nationalists. Hitler did the same – he blamed all of Germany's problems on the Jews because many were successful and worked hard. Fuhrer Farage claims immigrants are taking British peoples jobs (the same jobs that the majority of British think are beneath them) so they continue to sit on their backsides and moan. Fuhrer Farage said himself that immigration has damaged the "white working class", singling out the white British from everybody else. The same party that say women can't be raped in marriage, talk about shooting gays and gay marriage causes bad weather. Can't you see the similarities between Fuhrer Adolf and Fuhrer Farage?![/p][/quote]Oh dear sotonboy, you really are a very deluded and warped person aren't you. Never mind, at least you must feel at home on this site. It seems to be a popular venue for fellow left wing knuckle draggers such as yourself. Looking forward to the EU results on Sunday night are you? ............ No? I think you may be a tad disappointed eh. UKIP! .......... Onwards and upwards. eastsidemush
  • Score: -6

11:45am Fri 23 May 14

southy says...

Quizbook wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Congratulations to Keith Morrell. Great win in Coxford in Independent campaign organised by exceptionally hard working popular and highly principled Councillor Don Thomas.

Both of them have shown the comittment to fight against ruthless cuts in services, destruction of the jobs and standing by people who elected them when they suffered due to cowardly and unprincipled decisions implemented by Thatcherised NuLabour run Southampton under the leadership of slippery Simon Letts, who one time used to pretend to be a lefty socialist, but when in power has shamelessly cut many services and destroyed jobs, which had survived even the nasty bonfire under the Tories.

Keith's win in Coxford has proved that us the ordinary people admire and support those with proven record of hard work and have faith in alternatives to the damaging right wing policies of Conservatised NuLabour, which has betrayed virtually all the good values of old Labour Party.

If those who had been busy attacking and even insulting Don and Keith (As slippery Simon Letts himself and his poodles and puppets in Council Chamber have often done and many NuLabourites along with right wingers have done on this site) have any sense of fairness left in their arrogant rightwing and opportunist blood they should do the decent thing, because apologising for their nastiness may be too much of humiliation and not their style, but they should stop those vile attacks and start showing the respect to Don and Keith as representatives of us the ordinary people of Coxford Ward.

Expecting Miliband led mob to follow the socialist path shown by Don and Keith may be too much to ask, but for the sake of the good brand name of Labour Party, which de facto Thatcher's political children exploit for misleading the voters, I must recommend that in good socialist faith.
Amazing. Keith got more than twice the Labour vote. This shows that a well run, openly left-wing campaign, can offer an alternative to the little Englanders of Ukip.
Very true, Quizbook
[quote][p][bold]Quizbook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Congratulations to Keith Morrell. Great win in Coxford in Independent campaign organised by exceptionally hard working popular and highly principled Councillor Don Thomas. Both of them have shown the comittment to fight against ruthless cuts in services, destruction of the jobs and standing by people who elected them when they suffered due to cowardly and unprincipled decisions implemented by Thatcherised NuLabour run Southampton under the leadership of slippery Simon Letts, who one time used to pretend to be a lefty socialist, but when in power has shamelessly cut many services and destroyed jobs, which had survived even the nasty bonfire under the Tories. Keith's win in Coxford has proved that us the ordinary people admire and support those with proven record of hard work and have faith in alternatives to the damaging right wing policies of Conservatised NuLabour, which has betrayed virtually all the good values of old Labour Party. If those who had been busy attacking and even insulting Don and Keith (As slippery Simon Letts himself and his poodles and puppets in Council Chamber have often done and many NuLabourites along with right wingers have done on this site) have any sense of fairness left in their arrogant rightwing and opportunist blood they should do the decent thing, because apologising for their nastiness may be too much of humiliation and not their style, but they should stop those vile attacks and start showing the respect to Don and Keith as representatives of us the ordinary people of Coxford Ward. Expecting Miliband led mob to follow the socialist path shown by Don and Keith may be too much to ask, but for the sake of the good brand name of Labour Party, which de facto Thatcher's political children exploit for misleading the voters, I must recommend that in good socialist faith.[/p][/quote]Amazing. Keith got more than twice the Labour vote. This shows that a well run, openly left-wing campaign, can offer an alternative to the little Englanders of Ukip.[/p][/quote]Very true, Quizbook southy
  • Score: -1

11:54am Fri 23 May 14

Babylon51 says...

Now the Southampton elections are done, will they now make some kind of effort to repair badly maintained roads in Coxford and Lordswood areas. Or will the labour council decide to wait longer now that Keith Morrell has beaten them in that ward?
Now the Southampton elections are done, will they now make some kind of effort to repair badly maintained roads in Coxford and Lordswood areas. Or will the labour council decide to wait longer now that Keith Morrell has beaten them in that ward? Babylon51
  • Score: 1

12:44pm Fri 23 May 14

redsnapper says...

After all these changes, will we see any change? None whatsoever expected. Politics in this country no longer has the interest of 75% of the general population .Tthe Westminster Theatre of Greed. is just pigs around the trough. The young don't vote because they have no connection to the likes of Camoron, Vladimir Farage and Millipede...all of them just self serving fools.
After all these changes, will we see any change? None whatsoever expected. Politics in this country no longer has the interest of 75% of the general population .Tthe Westminster Theatre of Greed. is just pigs around the trough. The young don't vote because they have no connection to the likes of Camoron, Vladimir Farage and Millipede...all of them just self serving fools. redsnapper
  • Score: 1

12:54pm Fri 23 May 14

Lone Ranger. says...

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
I think that the message from the Southampton electorate is quite clear ....
.
The return of the Tories in this GREAT City is not going to happen .... thank the Lord
well its certainly in Labour favour now to retain control of the council for next 4 years, it would take Labour to lose most of there seats in the next 2 elections before the rest bite year for Labour to lose control of the council.
Yes you are quite right Southy ......
.
Why would anyone in their right mind vote Tory ...... Well they didnt !!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: I think that the message from the Southampton electorate is quite clear .... . The return of the Tories in this GREAT City is not going to happen .... thank the Lord[/p][/quote]well its certainly in Labour favour now to retain control of the council for next 4 years, it would take Labour to lose most of there seats in the next 2 elections before the rest bite year for Labour to lose control of the council.[/p][/quote]Yes you are quite right Southy ...... . Why would anyone in their right mind vote Tory ...... Well they didnt !! Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -11

12:54pm Fri 23 May 14

Lone Ranger. says...

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
I think that the message from the Southampton electorate is quite clear ....
.
The return of the Tories in this GREAT City is not going to happen .... thank the Lord
well its certainly in Labour favour now to retain control of the council for next 4 years, it would take Labour to lose most of there seats in the next 2 elections before the rest bite year for Labour to lose control of the council.
Yes you are quite right Southy ......
.
Why would anyone in their right mind vote Tory ...... Well they didnt !!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: I think that the message from the Southampton electorate is quite clear .... . The return of the Tories in this GREAT City is not going to happen .... thank the Lord[/p][/quote]well its certainly in Labour favour now to retain control of the council for next 4 years, it would take Labour to lose most of there seats in the next 2 elections before the rest bite year for Labour to lose control of the council.[/p][/quote]Yes you are quite right Southy ...... . Why would anyone in their right mind vote Tory ...... Well they didnt !! Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -6

12:55pm Fri 23 May 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Babylon51 wrote:
Now the Southampton elections are done, will they now make some kind of effort to repair badly maintained roads in Coxford and Lordswood areas. Or will the labour council decide to wait longer now that Keith Morrell has beaten them in that ward?
Some arrogant people in NuLabour can be very vindictive, but thankfully all of them are not like that. So if the resident keep on supporting Don and Keith in demanding what is good for Coxford even NuLabour run Council will have to do something.
[quote][p][bold]Babylon51[/bold] wrote: Now the Southampton elections are done, will they now make some kind of effort to repair badly maintained roads in Coxford and Lordswood areas. Or will the labour council decide to wait longer now that Keith Morrell has beaten them in that ward?[/p][/quote]Some arrogant people in NuLabour can be very vindictive, but thankfully all of them are not like that. So if the resident keep on supporting Don and Keith in demanding what is good for Coxford even NuLabour run Council will have to do something. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -4

1:16pm Fri 23 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

eastsidemush wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Redhaired22 wrote:
People have let their Xenophobia get in the way of reason.....
http://www.dailymail



.co.uk/news/article-



2613565/Polish-invas



ion-thats-SAVED-home



-town-An-influx-25-0



00-Poles-left-Southa



mptons-schools-burst



ing-locals-feeling-p



ushed-But-BARBARA-DA



VIES-grew-theres-sto



ry.html

I'm the first one to slate the DM, but they actually came up with this balanced story! But of course it doesn't make good press, even the Echo have failed to run with it, and they're the same media group..... How about we promote what is good about being in Europe, how it helps our country, and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere? one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance. By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you!
Completely agree with you. It's the ignorant sheep that blame immigration on their own inadequacies and failures and fail to recognise the positives that immigration brings. Fuhrer Farage bleats on about restricting the number of immigrants but purely a head count on anybody with a different skin colour or country of origin. Immigration needs controlling but not on a head count but based on peoples skills and abilities.

Immigration creates a rich society in the UK and attracts the best people from across Europe so not only does the quality of our output increase, our economy is contributed to too. UKIP don't care about this, their ideal is to return Britain back 100 years and focus on imperial measurements, formal dress in theatres and hotels, bring back grandeur to train travel and smoking rooms in pubs. All absolute crap that is no benefit to anybody other a group of extremist nationalists.

Hitler did the same – he blamed all of Germany's problems on the Jews because many were successful and worked hard. Fuhrer Farage claims immigrants are taking British peoples jobs (the same jobs that the majority of British think are beneath them) so they continue to sit on their backsides and moan. Fuhrer Farage said himself that immigration has damaged the "white working class", singling out the white British from everybody else. The same party that say women can't be raped in marriage, talk about shooting gays and gay marriage causes bad weather.

Can't you see the similarities between Fuhrer Adolf and Fuhrer Farage?!
Oh dear sotonboy, you really are a very deluded and warped person aren't you. Never mind, at least you must feel at home on this site. It seems to be a popular venue for fellow left wing knuckle draggers such as yourself.
Looking forward to the EU results on Sunday night are you? ............ No?
I think you may be a tad disappointed eh.
UKIP! .......... Onwards and upwards.
I have nothing to say to you. You're a typical UKIP supporter - arrogant and rude. You can't debate or consider others opinions without swearing and throwing abuse as you don't have the inteligence to do anything else.
[quote][p][bold]eastsidemush[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Redhaired22[/bold] wrote: People have let their Xenophobia get in the way of reason..... http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2613565/Polish-invas ion-thats-SAVED-home -town-An-influx-25-0 00-Poles-left-Southa mptons-schools-burst ing-locals-feeling-p ushed-But-BARBARA-DA VIES-grew-theres-sto ry.html I'm the first one to slate the DM, but they actually came up with this balanced story! But of course it doesn't make good press, even the Echo have failed to run with it, and they're the same media group..... How about we promote what is good about being in Europe, how it helps our country, and how the hundreds and thousands of British who live (and work in many cases) in Europe would cope. Would they all be sent home? What about the good quality doctors, nurses, researchers, lecturers, scientists and the business owners in the above article.Would they want to stay in such a horrible atmosphere? one of the great things about Great Britain has been our multi-cultural stance. By all means restrict the numbers but don't bite the hand that's fed you![/p][/quote]Completely agree with you. It's the ignorant sheep that blame immigration on their own inadequacies and failures and fail to recognise the positives that immigration brings. Fuhrer Farage bleats on about restricting the number of immigrants but purely a head count on anybody with a different skin colour or country of origin. Immigration needs controlling but not on a head count but based on peoples skills and abilities. Immigration creates a rich society in the UK and attracts the best people from across Europe so not only does the quality of our output increase, our economy is contributed to too. UKIP don't care about this, their ideal is to return Britain back 100 years and focus on imperial measurements, formal dress in theatres and hotels, bring back grandeur to train travel and smoking rooms in pubs. All absolute crap that is no benefit to anybody other a group of extremist nationalists. Hitler did the same – he blamed all of Germany's problems on the Jews because many were successful and worked hard. Fuhrer Farage claims immigrants are taking British peoples jobs (the same jobs that the majority of British think are beneath them) so they continue to sit on their backsides and moan. Fuhrer Farage said himself that immigration has damaged the "white working class", singling out the white British from everybody else. The same party that say women can't be raped in marriage, talk about shooting gays and gay marriage causes bad weather. Can't you see the similarities between Fuhrer Adolf and Fuhrer Farage?![/p][/quote]Oh dear sotonboy, you really are a very deluded and warped person aren't you. Never mind, at least you must feel at home on this site. It seems to be a popular venue for fellow left wing knuckle draggers such as yourself. Looking forward to the EU results on Sunday night are you? ............ No? I think you may be a tad disappointed eh. UKIP! .......... Onwards and upwards.[/p][/quote]I have nothing to say to you. You're a typical UKIP supporter - arrogant and rude. You can't debate or consider others opinions without swearing and throwing abuse as you don't have the inteligence to do anything else. sotonboy84
  • Score: -2

1:26pm Fri 23 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
I think that the message from the Southampton electorate is quite clear ....
.
The return of the Tories in this GREAT City is not going to happen .... thank the Lord
well its certainly in Labour favour now to retain control of the council for next 4 years, it would take Labour to lose most of there seats in the next 2 elections before the rest bite year for Labour to lose control of the council.
Yes you are quite right Southy ......
.
Why would anyone in their right mind vote Tory ...... Well they didnt !!
You scared that a decline in Labour's popularity would mean you have to go out and get a job?

It's really funny that you claim to support Labour but can't ever say anything good about them. You hide behind insults about other parties instead. Sad.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: I think that the message from the Southampton electorate is quite clear .... . The return of the Tories in this GREAT City is not going to happen .... thank the Lord[/p][/quote]well its certainly in Labour favour now to retain control of the council for next 4 years, it would take Labour to lose most of there seats in the next 2 elections before the rest bite year for Labour to lose control of the council.[/p][/quote]Yes you are quite right Southy ...... . Why would anyone in their right mind vote Tory ...... Well they didnt !![/p][/quote]You scared that a decline in Labour's popularity would mean you have to go out and get a job? It's really funny that you claim to support Labour but can't ever say anything good about them. You hide behind insults about other parties instead. Sad. sotonboy84
  • Score: 10

2:18pm Fri 23 May 14

Lone Ranger. says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
I think that the message from the Southampton electorate is quite clear ....
.
The return of the Tories in this GREAT City is not going to happen .... thank the Lord
well its certainly in Labour favour now to retain control of the council for next 4 years, it would take Labour to lose most of there seats in the next 2 elections before the rest bite year for Labour to lose control of the council.
Yes you are quite right Southy ......
.
Why would anyone in their right mind vote Tory ...... Well they didnt !!
You scared that a decline in Labour's popularity would mean you have to go out and get a job?

It's really funny that you claim to support Labour but can't ever say anything good about them. You hide behind insults about other parties instead. Sad.
I think that you are of the last posters on here to accuse others of hiding behind insults.
.
You seem to be a little bitter that the Tories were not elected back in or even gain any headway .....
.
Well even you, a staunch Tory lemming, must now realise that your party is not really electable anymore .... it just makes me have a good old chuckle to read your posts and the bitterness in them .......
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As regards a job !!!!!! ...... You have no idea sunshine .... you are just a boy as you're posting name suggests ...... and it's agood day for me so far ......... how about you .... The BIG loser that you are
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: I think that the message from the Southampton electorate is quite clear .... . The return of the Tories in this GREAT City is not going to happen .... thank the Lord[/p][/quote]well its certainly in Labour favour now to retain control of the council for next 4 years, it would take Labour to lose most of there seats in the next 2 elections before the rest bite year for Labour to lose control of the council.[/p][/quote]Yes you are quite right Southy ...... . Why would anyone in their right mind vote Tory ...... Well they didnt !![/p][/quote]You scared that a decline in Labour's popularity would mean you have to go out and get a job? It's really funny that you claim to support Labour but can't ever say anything good about them. You hide behind insults about other parties instead. Sad.[/p][/quote]I think that you are of the last posters on here to accuse others of hiding behind insults. . You seem to be a little bitter that the Tories were not elected back in or even gain any headway ..... . Well even you, a staunch Tory lemming, must now realise that your party is not really electable anymore .... it just makes me have a good old chuckle to read your posts and the bitterness in them ....... . As regards a job !!!!!! ...... You have no idea sunshine .... you are just a boy as you're posting name suggests ...... and it's agood day for me so far ......... how about you .... The BIG loser that you are Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -7

2:30pm Fri 23 May 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
Sham democracy ,we live in a banksters paradise .
Are you thinking of a banksman? I shouldn't have thought there could be more than 6 or 8 left with only a couple of deep mines.
no , they work in the square mile , with fake phoney lickspittles in westminster , pointing the finger at foreigners ,the sick and the poor for the banksters fraud .
If I were you I would stop smoking whatever it is that your smoking......serious

ly do you think that the rise of UKIP is all part of some grand criminal banker conspiracy? Anyone else involved? Martians? Freemasons? Masonic Martians?

I am a banker, and I work in the square mile. I am also skint, and as cheesed off as everyone else about what happened. Many banks lent far to much, too cheaply to individuals, companies and countries who were more than happy at the time to borrow & spend. Along the way quite a few bankers got very rich.

Foot soldiers such as my colleagues knew that the whole country, indeed most of the world was over-extended, but nothing we could do. When the bubble burst a lot of innocent people got hurt and we are now in the "hangover" period when personal and national finances have to de-leverage to more sustainable levels.

Just blaming the bankers on their own is a bit like blaming McDonalds for making you fat....or that spliff for making you paranoid!
75 per cent of the country have no faith in any of them ,where is the mandate ?
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: Sham democracy ,we live in a banksters paradise .[/p][/quote]Are you thinking of a banksman? I shouldn't have thought there could be more than 6 or 8 left with only a couple of deep mines.[/p][/quote]no , they work in the square mile , with fake phoney lickspittles in westminster , pointing the finger at foreigners ,the sick and the poor for the banksters fraud .[/p][/quote]If I were you I would stop smoking whatever it is that your smoking......serious ly do you think that the rise of UKIP is all part of some grand criminal banker conspiracy? Anyone else involved? Martians? Freemasons? Masonic Martians? I am a banker, and I work in the square mile. I am also skint, and as cheesed off as everyone else about what happened. Many banks lent far to much, too cheaply to individuals, companies and countries who were more than happy at the time to borrow & spend. Along the way quite a few bankers got very rich. Foot soldiers such as my colleagues knew that the whole country, indeed most of the world was over-extended, but nothing we could do. When the bubble burst a lot of innocent people got hurt and we are now in the "hangover" period when personal and national finances have to de-leverage to more sustainable levels. Just blaming the bankers on their own is a bit like blaming McDonalds for making you fat....or that spliff for making you paranoid![/p][/quote]75 per cent of the country have no faith in any of them ,where is the mandate ? Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: 3

4:06pm Fri 23 May 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

I'm proud to say that I helped to keep the UK Nazi Party(UKIP) out of Southampton by NOT voting for them, I only voted for who I did because the green party had no candidate for the Bitterne ward.
I'm proud to say that I helped to keep the UK Nazi Party(UKIP) out of Southampton by NOT voting for them, I only voted for who I did because the green party had no candidate for the Bitterne ward. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -3

5:39pm Fri 23 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
I'm proud to say that I helped to keep the UK Nazi Party(UKIP) out of Southampton by NOT voting for them, I only voted for who I did because the green party had no candidate for the Bitterne ward.
Well, one vote for the Monster Raving Looney Party anyway. Well done!
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: I'm proud to say that I helped to keep the UK Nazi Party(UKIP) out of Southampton by NOT voting for them, I only voted for who I did because the green party had no candidate for the Bitterne ward.[/p][/quote]Well, one vote for the Monster Raving Looney Party anyway. Well done! Dai Rear
  • Score: 4

5:41pm Fri 23 May 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
I'm proud to say that I helped to keep the UK Nazi Party(UKIP) out of Southampton by NOT voting for them, I only voted for who I did because the green party had no candidate for the Bitterne ward.
Well, one vote for the Monster Raving Looney Party anyway. Well done!
They didn't have a candidate here either.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: I'm proud to say that I helped to keep the UK Nazi Party(UKIP) out of Southampton by NOT voting for them, I only voted for who I did because the green party had no candidate for the Bitterne ward.[/p][/quote]Well, one vote for the Monster Raving Looney Party anyway. Well done![/p][/quote]They didn't have a candidate here either. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -5

5:53pm Fri 23 May 14

loosehead says...

Watched BBC2 & the Labour vote didn't move it was the fact the Tory vote was down partly to UKIP but what happens in the General election will these voters go back to the Tories?
Steve Galton wins according to Southy a safe labour seat well done Steve.
Why is it that Shirley an area of private housing where you can constantly hear the residents moaning about the increase in council tax some how vote in a Labour candidate? exactly what was the percentage of the electorate voting?
Labour has been chaotic in road work management & made a total mess of a cycle scheme,
Labour lied to get elected under Williams & then lied whilst elected.
Labour has young families in one bedroomed flats whilst single people or couples are in two to three bedroomed houses then say there's not enough smaller properties for these people to up size or down size why?
To blame the Government to gain votes for Labour as they have by increasing council pay whilst cutting jobs & services to once again blame the government so why are the people of Shirley so gullible? Or is it a case of they just couldn't bother voting?
other seats in this city the UKIP vote let in Letts & several other Labour councillors are UKIP happy about letting in a Pro EU Party?
Milliband never mentioned changing his views on the EU so why aren't UKIP going for Labour?
The Jam said "the Public get what the public voted for" going underground.
Well I hope to hear no attacks on this site from anyone who voted Labour about the Council as you've got what you wanted & it seems you fell for "it's the cruise ships/Governments fault" hook line & sinker.
As a person vehemently Anti this council I will continue to say I told you so.
Watched BBC2 & the Labour vote didn't move it was the fact the Tory vote was down partly to UKIP but what happens in the General election will these voters go back to the Tories? Steve Galton wins according to Southy a safe labour seat well done Steve. Why is it that Shirley an area of private housing where you can constantly hear the residents moaning about the increase in council tax some how vote in a Labour candidate? exactly what was the percentage of the electorate voting? Labour has been chaotic in road work management & made a total mess of a cycle scheme, Labour lied to get elected under Williams & then lied whilst elected. Labour has young families in one bedroomed flats whilst single people or couples are in two to three bedroomed houses then say there's not enough smaller properties for these people to up size or down size why? To blame the Government to gain votes for Labour as they have by increasing council pay whilst cutting jobs & services to once again blame the government so why are the people of Shirley so gullible? Or is it a case of they just couldn't bother voting? other seats in this city the UKIP vote let in Letts & several other Labour councillors are UKIP happy about letting in a Pro EU Party? Milliband never mentioned changing his views on the EU so why aren't UKIP going for Labour? The Jam said "the Public get what the public voted for" going underground. Well I hope to hear no attacks on this site from anyone who voted Labour about the Council as you've got what you wanted & it seems you fell for "it's the cruise ships/Governments fault" hook line & sinker. As a person vehemently Anti this council I will continue to say I told you so. loosehead
  • Score: 3

6:48pm Fri 23 May 14

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
Watched BBC2 & the Labour vote didn't move it was the fact the Tory vote was down partly to UKIP but what happens in the General election will these voters go back to the Tories?
Steve Galton wins according to Southy a safe labour seat well done Steve.
Why is it that Shirley an area of private housing where you can constantly hear the residents moaning about the increase in council tax some how vote in a Labour candidate? exactly what was the percentage of the electorate voting?
Labour has been chaotic in road work management & made a total mess of a cycle scheme,
Labour lied to get elected under Williams & then lied whilst elected.
Labour has young families in one bedroomed flats whilst single people or couples are in two to three bedroomed houses then say there's not enough smaller properties for these people to up size or down size why?
To blame the Government to gain votes for Labour as they have by increasing council pay whilst cutting jobs & services to once again blame the government so why are the people of Shirley so gullible? Or is it a case of they just couldn't bother voting?
other seats in this city the UKIP vote let in Letts & several other Labour councillors are UKIP happy about letting in a Pro EU Party?
Milliband never mentioned changing his views on the EU so why aren't UKIP going for Labour?
The Jam said "the Public get what the public voted for" going underground.
Well I hope to hear no attacks on this site from anyone who voted Labour about the Council as you've got what you wanted & it seems you fell for "it's the cruise ships/Governments fault" hook line & sinker.
As a person vehemently Anti this council I will continue to say I told you so.
Watch the lips loose I said Coxford and Redbridge wards never said any thing about Millbrook yes it was at one time a safe Labour seat but that was 40 plus years ago, the Liberals have had a good record in this ward in recent years
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Watched BBC2 & the Labour vote didn't move it was the fact the Tory vote was down partly to UKIP but what happens in the General election will these voters go back to the Tories? Steve Galton wins according to Southy a safe labour seat well done Steve. Why is it that Shirley an area of private housing where you can constantly hear the residents moaning about the increase in council tax some how vote in a Labour candidate? exactly what was the percentage of the electorate voting? Labour has been chaotic in road work management & made a total mess of a cycle scheme, Labour lied to get elected under Williams & then lied whilst elected. Labour has young families in one bedroomed flats whilst single people or couples are in two to three bedroomed houses then say there's not enough smaller properties for these people to up size or down size why? To blame the Government to gain votes for Labour as they have by increasing council pay whilst cutting jobs & services to once again blame the government so why are the people of Shirley so gullible? Or is it a case of they just couldn't bother voting? other seats in this city the UKIP vote let in Letts & several other Labour councillors are UKIP happy about letting in a Pro EU Party? Milliband never mentioned changing his views on the EU so why aren't UKIP going for Labour? The Jam said "the Public get what the public voted for" going underground. Well I hope to hear no attacks on this site from anyone who voted Labour about the Council as you've got what you wanted & it seems you fell for "it's the cruise ships/Governments fault" hook line & sinker. As a person vehemently Anti this council I will continue to say I told you so.[/p][/quote]Watch the lips loose I said Coxford and Redbridge wards never said any thing about Millbrook yes it was at one time a safe Labour seat but that was 40 plus years ago, the Liberals have had a good record in this ward in recent years southy
  • Score: -3

7:17pm Fri 23 May 14

Lone Ranger. says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Watched BBC2 & the Labour vote didn't move it was the fact the Tory vote was down partly to UKIP but what happens in the General election will these voters go back to the Tories?
Steve Galton wins according to Southy a safe labour seat well done Steve.
Why is it that Shirley an area of private housing where you can constantly hear the residents moaning about the increase in council tax some how vote in a Labour candidate? exactly what was the percentage of the electorate voting?
Labour has been chaotic in road work management & made a total mess of a cycle scheme,
Labour lied to get elected under Williams & then lied whilst elected.
Labour has young families in one bedroomed flats whilst single people or couples are in two to three bedroomed houses then say there's not enough smaller properties for these people to up size or down size why?
To blame the Government to gain votes for Labour as they have by increasing council pay whilst cutting jobs & services to once again blame the government so why are the people of Shirley so gullible? Or is it a case of they just couldn't bother voting?
other seats in this city the UKIP vote let in Letts & several other Labour councillors are UKIP happy about letting in a Pro EU Party?
Milliband never mentioned changing his views on the EU so why aren't UKIP going for Labour?
The Jam said "the Public get what the public voted for" going underground.
Well I hope to hear no attacks on this site from anyone who voted Labour about the Council as you've got what you wanted & it seems you fell for "it's the cruise ships/Governments fault" hook line & sinker.
As a person vehemently Anti this council I will continue to say I told you so.
Watch the lips loose I said Coxford and Redbridge wards never said any thing about Millbrook yes it was at one time a safe Labour seat but that was 40 plus years ago, the Liberals have had a good record in this ward in recent years
The Libs did well in the days of Pete Wakeford and co.
.
Galton missed out last time by a couple of hundred votes so not a great surprise ....... shame its just another Tory though.
.
Mind you the usual Tory brigade have been quiet today ...... another two years at least in the wilderness for them ....... Richly deserved
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Watched BBC2 & the Labour vote didn't move it was the fact the Tory vote was down partly to UKIP but what happens in the General election will these voters go back to the Tories? Steve Galton wins according to Southy a safe labour seat well done Steve. Why is it that Shirley an area of private housing where you can constantly hear the residents moaning about the increase in council tax some how vote in a Labour candidate? exactly what was the percentage of the electorate voting? Labour has been chaotic in road work management & made a total mess of a cycle scheme, Labour lied to get elected under Williams & then lied whilst elected. Labour has young families in one bedroomed flats whilst single people or couples are in two to three bedroomed houses then say there's not enough smaller properties for these people to up size or down size why? To blame the Government to gain votes for Labour as they have by increasing council pay whilst cutting jobs & services to once again blame the government so why are the people of Shirley so gullible? Or is it a case of they just couldn't bother voting? other seats in this city the UKIP vote let in Letts & several other Labour councillors are UKIP happy about letting in a Pro EU Party? Milliband never mentioned changing his views on the EU so why aren't UKIP going for Labour? The Jam said "the Public get what the public voted for" going underground. Well I hope to hear no attacks on this site from anyone who voted Labour about the Council as you've got what you wanted & it seems you fell for "it's the cruise ships/Governments fault" hook line & sinker. As a person vehemently Anti this council I will continue to say I told you so.[/p][/quote]Watch the lips loose I said Coxford and Redbridge wards never said any thing about Millbrook yes it was at one time a safe Labour seat but that was 40 plus years ago, the Liberals have had a good record in this ward in recent years[/p][/quote]The Libs did well in the days of Pete Wakeford and co. . Galton missed out last time by a couple of hundred votes so not a great surprise ....... shame its just another Tory though. . Mind you the usual Tory brigade have been quiet today ...... another two years at least in the wilderness for them ....... Richly deserved Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -2

9:04pm Fri 23 May 14

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Watched BBC2 & the Labour vote didn't move it was the fact the Tory vote was down partly to UKIP but what happens in the General election will these voters go back to the Tories?
Steve Galton wins according to Southy a safe labour seat well done Steve.
Why is it that Shirley an area of private housing where you can constantly hear the residents moaning about the increase in council tax some how vote in a Labour candidate? exactly what was the percentage of the electorate voting?
Labour has been chaotic in road work management & made a total mess of a cycle scheme,
Labour lied to get elected under Williams & then lied whilst elected.
Labour has young families in one bedroomed flats whilst single people or couples are in two to three bedroomed houses then say there's not enough smaller properties for these people to up size or down size why?
To blame the Government to gain votes for Labour as they have by increasing council pay whilst cutting jobs & services to once again blame the government so why are the people of Shirley so gullible? Or is it a case of they just couldn't bother voting?
other seats in this city the UKIP vote let in Letts & several other Labour councillors are UKIP happy about letting in a Pro EU Party?
Milliband never mentioned changing his views on the EU so why aren't UKIP going for Labour?
The Jam said "the Public get what the public voted for" going underground.
Well I hope to hear no attacks on this site from anyone who voted Labour about the Council as you've got what you wanted & it seems you fell for "it's the cruise ships/Governments fault" hook line & sinker.
As a person vehemently Anti this council I will continue to say I told you so.
Watch the lips loose I said Coxford and Redbridge wards never said any thing about Millbrook yes it was at one time a safe Labour seat but that was 40 plus years ago, the Liberals have had a good record in this ward in recent years
The Libs did well in the days of Pete Wakeford and co.
.
Galton missed out last time by a couple of hundred votes so not a great surprise ....... shame its just another Tory though.
.
Mind you the usual Tory brigade have been quiet today ...... another two years at least in the wilderness for them ....... Richly deserved
quiet no i haven't
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Watched BBC2 & the Labour vote didn't move it was the fact the Tory vote was down partly to UKIP but what happens in the General election will these voters go back to the Tories? Steve Galton wins according to Southy a safe labour seat well done Steve. Why is it that Shirley an area of private housing where you can constantly hear the residents moaning about the increase in council tax some how vote in a Labour candidate? exactly what was the percentage of the electorate voting? Labour has been chaotic in road work management & made a total mess of a cycle scheme, Labour lied to get elected under Williams & then lied whilst elected. Labour has young families in one bedroomed flats whilst single people or couples are in two to three bedroomed houses then say there's not enough smaller properties for these people to up size or down size why? To blame the Government to gain votes for Labour as they have by increasing council pay whilst cutting jobs & services to once again blame the government so why are the people of Shirley so gullible? Or is it a case of they just couldn't bother voting? other seats in this city the UKIP vote let in Letts & several other Labour councillors are UKIP happy about letting in a Pro EU Party? Milliband never mentioned changing his views on the EU so why aren't UKIP going for Labour? The Jam said "the Public get what the public voted for" going underground. Well I hope to hear no attacks on this site from anyone who voted Labour about the Council as you've got what you wanted & it seems you fell for "it's the cruise ships/Governments fault" hook line & sinker. As a person vehemently Anti this council I will continue to say I told you so.[/p][/quote]Watch the lips loose I said Coxford and Redbridge wards never said any thing about Millbrook yes it was at one time a safe Labour seat but that was 40 plus years ago, the Liberals have had a good record in this ward in recent years[/p][/quote]The Libs did well in the days of Pete Wakeford and co. . Galton missed out last time by a couple of hundred votes so not a great surprise ....... shame its just another Tory though. . Mind you the usual Tory brigade have been quiet today ...... another two years at least in the wilderness for them ....... Richly deserved[/p][/quote]quiet no i haven't loosehead
  • Score: 1

7:30am Sat 24 May 14

skeptik says...

A point of strategy - 'better to win badly than to lose well'. You have to choose your paper to get the answer that fits your thinking.
A point of strategy - 'better to win badly than to lose well'. You have to choose your paper to get the answer that fits your thinking. skeptik
  • Score: 2

8:31am Sat 24 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
I'm proud to say that I helped to keep the UK Nazi Party(UKIP) out of Southampton by NOT voting for them, I only voted for who I did because the green party had no candidate for the Bitterne ward.
You perceive UKIP to be a socialist party like BNP, hence your spleen. Socialism is inherently schismatic-like all faiths, think Presbyterian-v-Catho
lic, Bolshevik-v-National Socialist, even individual Plymouth Brethren congregations, apparently-but I don't think you're right. Time will tell but if they turn out to be pro-big state, pro tariff barriers, pro direction of labour , you'll be able to say I'm wrong when I say their current stance is anti-dogmatic, i.e. anti-socialist.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: I'm proud to say that I helped to keep the UK Nazi Party(UKIP) out of Southampton by NOT voting for them, I only voted for who I did because the green party had no candidate for the Bitterne ward.[/p][/quote]You perceive UKIP to be a socialist party like BNP, hence your spleen. Socialism is inherently schismatic-like all faiths, think Presbyterian-v-Catho lic, Bolshevik-v-National Socialist, even individual Plymouth Brethren congregations, apparently-but I don't think you're right. Time will tell but if they turn out to be pro-big state, pro tariff barriers, pro direction of labour , you'll be able to say I'm wrong when I say their current stance is anti-dogmatic, i.e. anti-socialist. Dai Rear
  • Score: 2

10:55am Sat 24 May 14

southy says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
I'm proud to say that I helped to keep the UK Nazi Party(UKIP) out of Southampton by NOT voting for them, I only voted for who I did because the green party had no candidate for the Bitterne ward.
You perceive UKIP to be a socialist party like BNP, hence your spleen. Socialism is inherently schismatic-like all faiths, think Presbyterian-v-Catho

lic, Bolshevik-v-National Socialist, even individual Plymouth Brethren congregations, apparently-but I don't think you're right. Time will tell but if they turn out to be pro-big state, pro tariff barriers, pro direction of labour , you'll be able to say I'm wrong when I say their current stance is anti-dogmatic, i.e. anti-socialist.
Learn what is false propaganda to get people votes.
There is no such thing as National and Socialism in the real sense the 2 do not go together they are are opposite ends of the political pole.
Socialism is international and never national except in case where Socialism is used as false propaganda to gain workers support.

You use the word schismatic to describe Socialism but avoid saying that it can also be used to describe Capitalism as being Schismatic a faith of greed, power, money and wars
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: I'm proud to say that I helped to keep the UK Nazi Party(UKIP) out of Southampton by NOT voting for them, I only voted for who I did because the green party had no candidate for the Bitterne ward.[/p][/quote]You perceive UKIP to be a socialist party like BNP, hence your spleen. Socialism is inherently schismatic-like all faiths, think Presbyterian-v-Catho lic, Bolshevik-v-National Socialist, even individual Plymouth Brethren congregations, apparently-but I don't think you're right. Time will tell but if they turn out to be pro-big state, pro tariff barriers, pro direction of labour , you'll be able to say I'm wrong when I say their current stance is anti-dogmatic, i.e. anti-socialist.[/p][/quote]Learn what is false propaganda to get people votes. There is no such thing as National and Socialism in the real sense the 2 do not go together they are are opposite ends of the political pole. Socialism is international and never national except in case where Socialism is used as false propaganda to gain workers support. You use the word schismatic to describe Socialism but avoid saying that it can also be used to describe Capitalism as being Schismatic a faith of greed, power, money and wars southy
  • Score: -1

10:59am Sat 24 May 14

southy says...

The best result in Southampton came from Keith Morrell in Coxford ward, Keith is offering a mandate what ordinary people want.
The best result in Southampton came from Keith Morrell in Coxford ward, Keith is offering a mandate what ordinary people want. southy
  • Score: -1

11:10am Sat 24 May 14

Dai Rear says...

"There is no such thing as National and Socialism in the real sense the 2 do not go together they are are opposite ends of the political pole"
They are at ends of a socialist continuum. Consider-Mussolini was first a Communist. If you have the stomach to read "Mein Kampf" you will find much socialist orthodoxy. The parallel continuum is between larger and smaller state, pragmatic, not utopian.
Do you genuinely believe that a Fabian socialist from the early 20th century would be comfortable with Mr Rent Acts and rationing Miliband? Fabian socialism was about self-help, the auto-didact and self improvement; rationing and the Rent acts are big statism.
"There is no such thing as National and Socialism in the real sense the 2 do not go together they are are opposite ends of the political pole" They are at ends of a socialist continuum. Consider-Mussolini was first a Communist. If you have the stomach to read "Mein Kampf" you will find much socialist orthodoxy. The parallel continuum is between larger and smaller state, pragmatic, not utopian. Do you genuinely believe that a Fabian socialist from the early 20th century would be comfortable with Mr Rent Acts and rationing Miliband? Fabian socialism was about self-help, the auto-didact and self improvement; rationing and the Rent acts are big statism. Dai Rear
  • Score: 2

11:59am Sat 24 May 14

southy says...

Not Fabian socialist try Fabian Society, It was a type of Think Tank, The Fabian Society was about determining what policys was Socialism and what was Capitalism, its design was the slow movement from Capitalism to Socialism, but in the last 30 to 40 years they have change they are no longer the Left wing group that they once was as all left wingers with in the Society have been replace with right wing capitalist Thatcherites Blairites type people.
Milliband would never been able to address the Fabians Society up to when Neil kinnock was in control of the Labour Party, He would of been refused just like Neil Kinnock was refuse to talk to the Fabians, and why Kinnock started to have them replace and Blair finished the job off.
Not Fabian socialist try Fabian Society, It was a type of Think Tank, The Fabian Society was about determining what policys was Socialism and what was Capitalism, its design was the slow movement from Capitalism to Socialism, but in the last 30 to 40 years they have change they are no longer the Left wing group that they once was as all left wingers with in the Society have been replace with right wing capitalist Thatcherites Blairites type people. Milliband would never been able to address the Fabians Society up to when Neil kinnock was in control of the Labour Party, He would of been refused just like Neil Kinnock was refuse to talk to the Fabians, and why Kinnock started to have them replace and Blair finished the job off. southy
  • Score: -3

12:48pm Sat 24 May 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Not Fabian socialist try Fabian Society, It was a type of Think Tank, The Fabian Society was about determining what policys was Socialism and what was Capitalism, its design was the slow movement from Capitalism to Socialism, but in the last 30 to 40 years they have change they are no longer the Left wing group that they once was as all left wingers with in the Society have been replace with right wing capitalist Thatcherites Blairites type people.
Milliband would never been able to address the Fabians Society up to when Neil kinnock was in control of the Labour Party, He would of been refused just like Neil Kinnock was refuse to talk to the Fabians, and why Kinnock started to have them replace and Blair finished the job off.
If Labour hadn't decided that the lurch to the left had to be corrected, it would now be languishing with the 'others' along with you recent favourite political party. Hard left groups present themselves to the electorate and they're consistently rejected without the message getting home to people who would rather split hairs about their exact position on the political spectrum rather than face reality.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Not Fabian socialist try Fabian Society, It was a type of Think Tank, The Fabian Society was about determining what policys was Socialism and what was Capitalism, its design was the slow movement from Capitalism to Socialism, but in the last 30 to 40 years they have change they are no longer the Left wing group that they once was as all left wingers with in the Society have been replace with right wing capitalist Thatcherites Blairites type people. Milliband would never been able to address the Fabians Society up to when Neil kinnock was in control of the Labour Party, He would of been refused just like Neil Kinnock was refuse to talk to the Fabians, and why Kinnock started to have them replace and Blair finished the job off.[/p][/quote]If Labour hadn't decided that the lurch to the left had to be corrected, it would now be languishing with the 'others' along with you recent favourite political party. Hard left groups present themselves to the electorate and they're consistently rejected without the message getting home to people who would rather split hairs about their exact position on the political spectrum rather than face reality. Torchie1
  • Score: 2

1:02pm Sat 24 May 14

freefinker says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Not Fabian socialist try Fabian Society, It was a type of Think Tank, The Fabian Society was about determining what policys was Socialism and what was Capitalism, its design was the slow movement from Capitalism to Socialism, but in the last 30 to 40 years they have change they are no longer the Left wing group that they once was as all left wingers with in the Society have been replace with right wing capitalist Thatcherites Blairites type people.
Milliband would never been able to address the Fabians Society up to when Neil kinnock was in control of the Labour Party, He would of been refused just like Neil Kinnock was refuse to talk to the Fabians, and why Kinnock started to have them replace and Blair finished the job off.
If Labour hadn't decided that the lurch to the left had to be corrected, it would now be languishing with the 'others' along with you recent favourite political party. Hard left groups present themselves to the electorate and they're consistently rejected without the message getting home to people who would rather split hairs about their exact position on the political spectrum rather than face reality.
Indeed.
Life of Brian got it spot on.
People's Front of Judea.
Judean People's Front.
Judean Popular People's Front.
Splitters.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Not Fabian socialist try Fabian Society, It was a type of Think Tank, The Fabian Society was about determining what policys was Socialism and what was Capitalism, its design was the slow movement from Capitalism to Socialism, but in the last 30 to 40 years they have change they are no longer the Left wing group that they once was as all left wingers with in the Society have been replace with right wing capitalist Thatcherites Blairites type people. Milliband would never been able to address the Fabians Society up to when Neil kinnock was in control of the Labour Party, He would of been refused just like Neil Kinnock was refuse to talk to the Fabians, and why Kinnock started to have them replace and Blair finished the job off.[/p][/quote]If Labour hadn't decided that the lurch to the left had to be corrected, it would now be languishing with the 'others' along with you recent favourite political party. Hard left groups present themselves to the electorate and they're consistently rejected without the message getting home to people who would rather split hairs about their exact position on the political spectrum rather than face reality.[/p][/quote]Indeed. Life of Brian got it spot on. People's Front of Judea. Judean People's Front. Judean Popular People's Front. Splitters. freefinker
  • Score: 1

1:14pm Sat 24 May 14

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
The best result in Southampton came from Keith Morrell in Coxford ward, Keith is offering a mandate what ordinary people want.
.. shame the 'ordinary people' didn't really endorse him.
1633 votes out of 3821 cast is only 42.7%.
1633 votes out of an electorate of 10,720 is only 15.2%.
Is it perhaps that the 'ordinary people' are just a small minority group?

As for what he offers it's not far off what TUSC offered.
However you have yet to meet the challenge I have put to you many times - where will the money for 'No Cuts' come from when local government income IS being cut by central government?

You can't answer that one, can you? It's a fiscal and mathematical impossibility.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The best result in Southampton came from Keith Morrell in Coxford ward, Keith is offering a mandate what ordinary people want.[/p][/quote].. shame the 'ordinary people' didn't really endorse him. 1633 votes out of 3821 cast is only 42.7%. 1633 votes out of an electorate of 10,720 is only 15.2%. Is it perhaps that the 'ordinary people' are just a small minority group? As for what he offers it's not far off what TUSC offered. However you have yet to meet the challenge I have put to you many times - where will the money for 'No Cuts' come from when local government income IS being cut by central government? You can't answer that one, can you? It's a fiscal and mathematical impossibility. freefinker
  • Score: 1

2:58pm Sat 24 May 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Not Fabian socialist try Fabian Society, It was a type of Think Tank, The Fabian Society was about determining what policys was Socialism and what was Capitalism, its design was the slow movement from Capitalism to Socialism, but in the last 30 to 40 years they have change they are no longer the Left wing group that they once was as all left wingers with in the Society have been replace with right wing capitalist Thatcherites Blairites type people.
Milliband would never been able to address the Fabians Society up to when Neil kinnock was in control of the Labour Party, He would of been refused just like Neil Kinnock was refuse to talk to the Fabians, and why Kinnock started to have them replace and Blair finished the job off.
If Labour hadn't decided that the lurch to the left had to be corrected, it would now be languishing with the 'others' along with you recent favourite political party. Hard left groups present themselves to the electorate and they're consistently rejected without the message getting home to people who would rather split hairs about their exact position on the political spectrum rather than face reality.
No it would not off been, the idea behind the Labour party was to move slowly to the left, Labour it self did not to decide, it was interfered with by the right wing so the right would have total control in politics, remember what thatcher did but would not apply the same rule to her own party, the ruling of voting with in a party that she force onto Labour and to the Unions.
There are no Left hard groups in the UK, it only seems hard left because the right as moved that far right wing it only looks to be hard left but the real truth is that they are center to left.
The reality of it all you remove Right wing Influence from politics like the right wing as done to the left and things would return back heading into the left that would be the natural coarse as the majority even low they don't know it are left wing
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Not Fabian socialist try Fabian Society, It was a type of Think Tank, The Fabian Society was about determining what policys was Socialism and what was Capitalism, its design was the slow movement from Capitalism to Socialism, but in the last 30 to 40 years they have change they are no longer the Left wing group that they once was as all left wingers with in the Society have been replace with right wing capitalist Thatcherites Blairites type people. Milliband would never been able to address the Fabians Society up to when Neil kinnock was in control of the Labour Party, He would of been refused just like Neil Kinnock was refuse to talk to the Fabians, and why Kinnock started to have them replace and Blair finished the job off.[/p][/quote]If Labour hadn't decided that the lurch to the left had to be corrected, it would now be languishing with the 'others' along with you recent favourite political party. Hard left groups present themselves to the electorate and they're consistently rejected without the message getting home to people who would rather split hairs about their exact position on the political spectrum rather than face reality.[/p][/quote]No it would not off been, the idea behind the Labour party was to move slowly to the left, Labour it self did not to decide, it was interfered with by the right wing so the right would have total control in politics, remember what thatcher did but would not apply the same rule to her own party, the ruling of voting with in a party that she force onto Labour and to the Unions. There are no Left hard groups in the UK, it only seems hard left because the right as moved that far right wing it only looks to be hard left but the real truth is that they are center to left. The reality of it all you remove Right wing Influence from politics like the right wing as done to the left and things would return back heading into the left that would be the natural coarse as the majority even low they don't know it are left wing southy
  • Score: -3

3:56pm Sat 24 May 14

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
The best result in Southampton came from Keith Morrell in Coxford ward, Keith is offering a mandate what ordinary people want.
Souhty even I believe you think you tell the truth so how can you celebrate a guy who was part of the Labour Party where Williams went to press laid out what would happen then denied it before Labour defeated the tories.
Morrell & Thomas both must have known about Labours planned cuts yet went ahead & canvassed & rallied support around them.
Yes Williams lied but all Labour councillors knew about it way before Morrell resigned & the way he's suckered the people of Coxford into voting for him is unbelievable.
Are you saying he's suckered you as well?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The best result in Southampton came from Keith Morrell in Coxford ward, Keith is offering a mandate what ordinary people want.[/p][/quote]Souhty even I believe you think you tell the truth so how can you celebrate a guy who was part of the Labour Party where Williams went to press laid out what would happen then denied it before Labour defeated the tories. Morrell & Thomas both must have known about Labours planned cuts yet went ahead & canvassed & rallied support around them. Yes Williams lied but all Labour councillors knew about it way before Morrell resigned & the way he's suckered the people of Coxford into voting for him is unbelievable. Are you saying he's suckered you as well? loosehead
  • Score: 3

5:23pm Sat 24 May 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Not Fabian socialist try Fabian Society, It was a type of Think Tank, The Fabian Society was about determining what policys was Socialism and what was Capitalism, its design was the slow movement from Capitalism to Socialism, but in the last 30 to 40 years they have change they are no longer the Left wing group that they once was as all left wingers with in the Society have been replace with right wing capitalist Thatcherites Blairites type people.
Milliband would never been able to address the Fabians Society up to when Neil kinnock was in control of the Labour Party, He would of been refused just like Neil Kinnock was refuse to talk to the Fabians, and why Kinnock started to have them replace and Blair finished the job off.
If Labour hadn't decided that the lurch to the left had to be corrected, it would now be languishing with the 'others' along with you recent favourite political party. Hard left groups present themselves to the electorate and they're consistently rejected without the message getting home to people who would rather split hairs about their exact position on the political spectrum rather than face reality.
No it would not off been, the idea behind the Labour party was to move slowly to the left, Labour it self did not to decide, it was interfered with by the right wing so the right would have total control in politics, remember what thatcher did but would not apply the same rule to her own party, the ruling of voting with in a party that she force onto Labour and to the Unions.
There are no Left hard groups in the UK, it only seems hard left because the right as moved that far right wing it only looks to be hard left but the real truth is that they are center to left.
The reality of it all you remove Right wing Influence from politics like the right wing as done to the left and things would return back heading into the left that would be the natural coarse as the majority even low they don't know it are left wing
You don't think diatribes of fiction and fantasy like this could be among the reasons that you were asked to 'step down on the grounds of ill health' ?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Not Fabian socialist try Fabian Society, It was a type of Think Tank, The Fabian Society was about determining what policys was Socialism and what was Capitalism, its design was the slow movement from Capitalism to Socialism, but in the last 30 to 40 years they have change they are no longer the Left wing group that they once was as all left wingers with in the Society have been replace with right wing capitalist Thatcherites Blairites type people. Milliband would never been able to address the Fabians Society up to when Neil kinnock was in control of the Labour Party, He would of been refused just like Neil Kinnock was refuse to talk to the Fabians, and why Kinnock started to have them replace and Blair finished the job off.[/p][/quote]If Labour hadn't decided that the lurch to the left had to be corrected, it would now be languishing with the 'others' along with you recent favourite political party. Hard left groups present themselves to the electorate and they're consistently rejected without the message getting home to people who would rather split hairs about their exact position on the political spectrum rather than face reality.[/p][/quote]No it would not off been, the idea behind the Labour party was to move slowly to the left, Labour it self did not to decide, it was interfered with by the right wing so the right would have total control in politics, remember what thatcher did but would not apply the same rule to her own party, the ruling of voting with in a party that she force onto Labour and to the Unions. There are no Left hard groups in the UK, it only seems hard left because the right as moved that far right wing it only looks to be hard left but the real truth is that they are center to left. The reality of it all you remove Right wing Influence from politics like the right wing as done to the left and things would return back heading into the left that would be the natural coarse as the majority even low they don't know it are left wing[/p][/quote]You don't think diatribes of fiction and fantasy like this could be among the reasons that you were asked to 'step down on the grounds of ill health' ? Torchie1
  • Score: 0

5:40pm Sat 24 May 14

Dai Rear says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Not Fabian socialist try Fabian Society, It was a type of Think Tank, The Fabian Society was about determining what policys was Socialism and what was Capitalism, its design was the slow movement from Capitalism to Socialism, but in the last 30 to 40 years they have change they are no longer the Left wing group that they once was as all left wingers with in the Society have been replace with right wing capitalist Thatcherites Blairites type people.
Milliband would never been able to address the Fabians Society up to when Neil kinnock was in control of the Labour Party, He would of been refused just like Neil Kinnock was refuse to talk to the Fabians, and why Kinnock started to have them replace and Blair finished the job off.
If Labour hadn't decided that the lurch to the left had to be corrected, it would now be languishing with the 'others' along with you recent favourite political party. Hard left groups present themselves to the electorate and they're consistently rejected without the message getting home to people who would rather split hairs about their exact position on the political spectrum rather than face reality.
No it would not off been, the idea behind the Labour party was to move slowly to the left, Labour it self did not to decide, it was interfered with by the right wing so the right would have total control in politics, remember what thatcher did but would not apply the same rule to her own party, the ruling of voting with in a party that she force onto Labour and to the Unions.
There are no Left hard groups in the UK, it only seems hard left because the right as moved that far right wing it only looks to be hard left but the real truth is that they are center to left.
The reality of it all you remove Right wing Influence from politics like the right wing as done to the left and things would return back heading into the left that would be the natural coarse as the majority even low they don't know it are left wing
Doesn't the Socialist Workers' Party strike you as a teensy bit left? Or do you think we need the Bolshevik Party?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Not Fabian socialist try Fabian Society, It was a type of Think Tank, The Fabian Society was about determining what policys was Socialism and what was Capitalism, its design was the slow movement from Capitalism to Socialism, but in the last 30 to 40 years they have change they are no longer the Left wing group that they once was as all left wingers with in the Society have been replace with right wing capitalist Thatcherites Blairites type people. Milliband would never been able to address the Fabians Society up to when Neil kinnock was in control of the Labour Party, He would of been refused just like Neil Kinnock was refuse to talk to the Fabians, and why Kinnock started to have them replace and Blair finished the job off.[/p][/quote]If Labour hadn't decided that the lurch to the left had to be corrected, it would now be languishing with the 'others' along with you recent favourite political party. Hard left groups present themselves to the electorate and they're consistently rejected without the message getting home to people who would rather split hairs about their exact position on the political spectrum rather than face reality.[/p][/quote]No it would not off been, the idea behind the Labour party was to move slowly to the left, Labour it self did not to decide, it was interfered with by the right wing so the right would have total control in politics, remember what thatcher did but would not apply the same rule to her own party, the ruling of voting with in a party that she force onto Labour and to the Unions. There are no Left hard groups in the UK, it only seems hard left because the right as moved that far right wing it only looks to be hard left but the real truth is that they are center to left. The reality of it all you remove Right wing Influence from politics like the right wing as done to the left and things would return back heading into the left that would be the natural coarse as the majority even low they don't know it are left wing[/p][/quote]Doesn't the Socialist Workers' Party strike you as a teensy bit left? Or do you think we need the Bolshevik Party? Dai Rear
  • Score: 1

6:04pm Sat 24 May 14

freefinker says...

Dai Rear wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Not Fabian socialist try Fabian Society, It was a type of Think Tank, The Fabian Society was about determining what policys was Socialism and what was Capitalism, its design was the slow movement from Capitalism to Socialism, but in the last 30 to 40 years they have change they are no longer the Left wing group that they once was as all left wingers with in the Society have been replace with right wing capitalist Thatcherites Blairites type people.
Milliband would never been able to address the Fabians Society up to when Neil kinnock was in control of the Labour Party, He would of been refused just like Neil Kinnock was refuse to talk to the Fabians, and why Kinnock started to have them replace and Blair finished the job off.
If Labour hadn't decided that the lurch to the left had to be corrected, it would now be languishing with the 'others' along with you recent favourite political party. Hard left groups present themselves to the electorate and they're consistently rejected without the message getting home to people who would rather split hairs about their exact position on the political spectrum rather than face reality.
No it would not off been, the idea behind the Labour party was to move slowly to the left, Labour it self did not to decide, it was interfered with by the right wing so the right would have total control in politics, remember what thatcher did but would not apply the same rule to her own party, the ruling of voting with in a party that she force onto Labour and to the Unions.
There are no Left hard groups in the UK, it only seems hard left because the right as moved that far right wing it only looks to be hard left but the real truth is that they are center to left.
The reality of it all you remove Right wing Influence from politics like the right wing as done to the left and things would return back heading into the left that would be the natural coarse as the majority even low they don't know it are left wing
Doesn't the Socialist Workers' Party strike you as a teensy bit left? Or do you think we need the Bolshevik Party?
ooohhh!!!
He's not Socialist Workers Party -spit.
southy is in the Socialist Party (England and Wales).
Splitters.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Not Fabian socialist try Fabian Society, It was a type of Think Tank, The Fabian Society was about determining what policys was Socialism and what was Capitalism, its design was the slow movement from Capitalism to Socialism, but in the last 30 to 40 years they have change they are no longer the Left wing group that they once was as all left wingers with in the Society have been replace with right wing capitalist Thatcherites Blairites type people. Milliband would never been able to address the Fabians Society up to when Neil kinnock was in control of the Labour Party, He would of been refused just like Neil Kinnock was refuse to talk to the Fabians, and why Kinnock started to have them replace and Blair finished the job off.[/p][/quote]If Labour hadn't decided that the lurch to the left had to be corrected, it would now be languishing with the 'others' along with you recent favourite political party. Hard left groups present themselves to the electorate and they're consistently rejected without the message getting home to people who would rather split hairs about their exact position on the political spectrum rather than face reality.[/p][/quote]No it would not off been, the idea behind the Labour party was to move slowly to the left, Labour it self did not to decide, it was interfered with by the right wing so the right would have total control in politics, remember what thatcher did but would not apply the same rule to her own party, the ruling of voting with in a party that she force onto Labour and to the Unions. There are no Left hard groups in the UK, it only seems hard left because the right as moved that far right wing it only looks to be hard left but the real truth is that they are center to left. The reality of it all you remove Right wing Influence from politics like the right wing as done to the left and things would return back heading into the left that would be the natural coarse as the majority even low they don't know it are left wing[/p][/quote]Doesn't the Socialist Workers' Party strike you as a teensy bit left? Or do you think we need the Bolshevik Party?[/p][/quote]ooohhh!!! He's not Socialist Workers Party -spit. southy is in the Socialist Party (England and Wales). Splitters. freefinker
  • Score: 1

7:02pm Sat 24 May 14

skeptik says...

'Even though they don't know it are left wing' Maybe they do know it and trying to sell them a pig in a poke is not working. Odd reading - the fact that few people belong to or vote for left wing parties is down to the 'influence of the right wing'. A tad offensive suggesting the electorate does not know it's own mind because it disagrees with a few hundred left wing - the world owes me a living unelectable chancers.
'Even though they don't know it are left wing' Maybe they do know it and trying to sell them a pig in a poke is not working. Odd reading - the fact that few people belong to or vote for left wing parties is down to the 'influence of the right wing'. A tad offensive suggesting the electorate does not know it's own mind because it disagrees with a few hundred left wing - the world owes me a living unelectable chancers. skeptik
  • Score: 0

9:49pm Sat 24 May 14

Torchie1 says...

skeptik wrote:
'Even though they don't know it are left wing' Maybe they do know it and trying to sell them a pig in a poke is not working. Odd reading - the fact that few people belong to or vote for left wing parties is down to the 'influence of the right wing'. A tad offensive suggesting the electorate does not know it's own mind because it disagrees with a few hundred left wing - the world owes me a living unelectable chancers.
It's probably easier to accept than facing the truth.
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: 'Even though they don't know it are left wing' Maybe they do know it and trying to sell them a pig in a poke is not working. Odd reading - the fact that few people belong to or vote for left wing parties is down to the 'influence of the right wing'. A tad offensive suggesting the electorate does not know it's own mind because it disagrees with a few hundred left wing - the world owes me a living unelectable chancers.[/p][/quote]It's probably easier to accept than facing the truth. Torchie1
  • Score: 0

8:32am Sun 25 May 14

Dai Rear says...

freefinker wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Not Fabian socialist try Fabian Society, It was a type of Think Tank, The Fabian Society was about determining what policys was Socialism and what was Capitalism, its design was the slow movement from Capitalism to Socialism, but in the last 30 to 40 years they have change they are no longer the Left wing group that they once was as all left wingers with in the Society have been replace with right wing capitalist Thatcherites Blairites type people.
Milliband would never been able to address the Fabians Society up to when Neil kinnock was in control of the Labour Party, He would of been refused just like Neil Kinnock was refuse to talk to the Fabians, and why Kinnock started to have them replace and Blair finished the job off.
If Labour hadn't decided that the lurch to the left had to be corrected, it would now be languishing with the 'others' along with you recent favourite political party. Hard left groups present themselves to the electorate and they're consistently rejected without the message getting home to people who would rather split hairs about their exact position on the political spectrum rather than face reality.
No it would not off been, the idea behind the Labour party was to move slowly to the left, Labour it self did not to decide, it was interfered with by the right wing so the right would have total control in politics, remember what thatcher did but would not apply the same rule to her own party, the ruling of voting with in a party that she force onto Labour and to the Unions.
There are no Left hard groups in the UK, it only seems hard left because the right as moved that far right wing it only looks to be hard left but the real truth is that they are center to left.
The reality of it all you remove Right wing Influence from politics like the right wing as done to the left and things would return back heading into the left that would be the natural coarse as the majority even low they don't know it are left wing
Doesn't the Socialist Workers' Party strike you as a teensy bit left? Or do you think we need the Bolshevik Party?
ooohhh!!!
He's not Socialist Workers Party -spit.
southy is in the Socialist Party (England and Wales).
Splitters.
I don't think I quite followed Southy's post. If I were being rude I'd echo the words of the Bard "It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing."
But I can't let all this "Right" go on. The "Right" is the same as "The Left"; both are contentious and obsolete orthodoxies. Southy , we don't have secret police, concentration camps and "disappearances", that is, the stuff of "The Right" and "The Left".. We do have the Rule of Law. They aren't the issues. The dispute between shades of the Left, Communists and Fascists, Maoists and Trotskyites is history, Southy. The question now is whether people are better served by a liberally run economy (some attempt to control the ossified growth of the state) or a control economy (Miliband's Rent Acts and rationing) If you don't focus Southy no one will take you seriously. Oh hush my mouth!
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Not Fabian socialist try Fabian Society, It was a type of Think Tank, The Fabian Society was about determining what policys was Socialism and what was Capitalism, its design was the slow movement from Capitalism to Socialism, but in the last 30 to 40 years they have change they are no longer the Left wing group that they once was as all left wingers with in the Society have been replace with right wing capitalist Thatcherites Blairites type people. Milliband would never been able to address the Fabians Society up to when Neil kinnock was in control of the Labour Party, He would of been refused just like Neil Kinnock was refuse to talk to the Fabians, and why Kinnock started to have them replace and Blair finished the job off.[/p][/quote]If Labour hadn't decided that the lurch to the left had to be corrected, it would now be languishing with the 'others' along with you recent favourite political party. Hard left groups present themselves to the electorate and they're consistently rejected without the message getting home to people who would rather split hairs about their exact position on the political spectrum rather than face reality.[/p][/quote]No it would not off been, the idea behind the Labour party was to move slowly to the left, Labour it self did not to decide, it was interfered with by the right wing so the right would have total control in politics, remember what thatcher did but would not apply the same rule to her own party, the ruling of voting with in a party that she force onto Labour and to the Unions. There are no Left hard groups in the UK, it only seems hard left because the right as moved that far right wing it only looks to be hard left but the real truth is that they are center to left. The reality of it all you remove Right wing Influence from politics like the right wing as done to the left and things would return back heading into the left that would be the natural coarse as the majority even low they don't know it are left wing[/p][/quote]Doesn't the Socialist Workers' Party strike you as a teensy bit left? Or do you think we need the Bolshevik Party?[/p][/quote]ooohhh!!! He's not Socialist Workers Party -spit. southy is in the Socialist Party (England and Wales). Splitters.[/p][/quote]I don't think I quite followed Southy's post. If I were being rude I'd echo the words of the Bard "It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury Signifying nothing." But I can't let all this "Right" go on. The "Right" is the same as "The Left"; both are contentious and obsolete orthodoxies. Southy , we don't have secret police, concentration camps and "disappearances", that is, the stuff of "The Right" and "The Left".. We do have the Rule of Law. They aren't the issues. The dispute between shades of the Left, Communists and Fascists, Maoists and Trotskyites is history, Southy. The question now is whether people are better served by a liberally run economy (some attempt to control the ossified growth of the state) or a control economy (Miliband's Rent Acts and rationing) If you don't focus Southy no one will take you seriously. Oh hush my mouth! Dai Rear
  • Score: 0

10:00am Sun 25 May 14

skeptik says...

Truly difficult to work through some of this incoherent nonsense - the right interfering with the left? All of this talk about parties moving this way or that - one wonders if the electorate have an influence on any of these theories and outcomes. Trying to apply yesterdays ideas and theories today with a different electorate - more are property owners, they do not work in mass employment - factories. works and yards now. Personally I admire anyone with principles - what many cannot do is adapt to a changing world. All the left or for that matter the right has to do is convince the electorate - it is truly arrogant to suggest because they do not 'comply' they are being brainwashed by the right - it would appear that the expertise in brainwashing is elsewhere.
Truly difficult to work through some of this incoherent nonsense - the right interfering with the left? All of this talk about parties moving this way or that - one wonders if the electorate have an influence on any of these theories and outcomes. Trying to apply yesterdays ideas and theories today with a different electorate - more are property owners, they do not work in mass employment - factories. works and yards now. Personally I admire anyone with principles - what many cannot do is adapt to a changing world. All the left or for that matter the right has to do is convince the electorate - it is truly arrogant to suggest because they do not 'comply' they are being brainwashed by the right - it would appear that the expertise in brainwashing is elsewhere. skeptik
  • Score: 0

11:30am Sun 25 May 14

southy says...

Dai Rear wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Not Fabian socialist try Fabian Society, It was a type of Think Tank, The Fabian Society was about determining what policys was Socialism and what was Capitalism, its design was the slow movement from Capitalism to Socialism, but in the last 30 to 40 years they have change they are no longer the Left wing group that they once was as all left wingers with in the Society have been replace with right wing capitalist Thatcherites Blairites type people.
Milliband would never been able to address the Fabians Society up to when Neil kinnock was in control of the Labour Party, He would of been refused just like Neil Kinnock was refuse to talk to the Fabians, and why Kinnock started to have them replace and Blair finished the job off.
If Labour hadn't decided that the lurch to the left had to be corrected, it would now be languishing with the 'others' along with you recent favourite political party. Hard left groups present themselves to the electorate and they're consistently rejected without the message getting home to people who would rather split hairs about their exact position on the political spectrum rather than face reality.
No it would not off been, the idea behind the Labour party was to move slowly to the left, Labour it self did not to decide, it was interfered with by the right wing so the right would have total control in politics, remember what thatcher did but would not apply the same rule to her own party, the ruling of voting with in a party that she force onto Labour and to the Unions.
There are no Left hard groups in the UK, it only seems hard left because the right as moved that far right wing it only looks to be hard left but the real truth is that they are center to left.
The reality of it all you remove Right wing Influence from politics like the right wing as done to the left and things would return back heading into the left that would be the natural coarse as the majority even low they don't know it are left wing
Doesn't the Socialist Workers' Party strike you as a teensy bit left? Or do you think we need the Bolshevik Party?
One I am not in the Socialist Workers Party, that is a different political party, left wing yes and maybe a bit more left than the Socialist Party (the SP is a more center to left ground party, where as the SWP are all left wing and a bit more) The SP which I belong to thought out England and Wales the Socialist Party is backing the TUSC, but with the SWP they are split some parts in the country they back the TUSC while in other parts they don't and prefer to back Left Unity, which have the far left wing groups.
If your talking about Lenin Communism then yes we do need them, as they did not get rid of political party groups just because they where right wing capitalist, Lenin allowed them the carry on in the Russian Government/Politics and they was the bigger of the political groups at the time, Stalin was a member to one off these right wing revolutionist the Revolutionist Provincialist Republicans, He was never a member to any Socialist party what so ever he Hated them, what put and kept Lenin in power was that he had the backing of the Majority of the people even low his party was the smallest of all the Political party,s in Russia
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Not Fabian socialist try Fabian Society, It was a type of Think Tank, The Fabian Society was about determining what policys was Socialism and what was Capitalism, its design was the slow movement from Capitalism to Socialism, but in the last 30 to 40 years they have change they are no longer the Left wing group that they once was as all left wingers with in the Society have been replace with right wing capitalist Thatcherites Blairites type people. Milliband would never been able to address the Fabians Society up to when Neil kinnock was in control of the Labour Party, He would of been refused just like Neil Kinnock was refuse to talk to the Fabians, and why Kinnock started to have them replace and Blair finished the job off.[/p][/quote]If Labour hadn't decided that the lurch to the left had to be corrected, it would now be languishing with the 'others' along with you recent favourite political party. Hard left groups present themselves to the electorate and they're consistently rejected without the message getting home to people who would rather split hairs about their exact position on the political spectrum rather than face reality.[/p][/quote]No it would not off been, the idea behind the Labour party was to move slowly to the left, Labour it self did not to decide, it was interfered with by the right wing so the right would have total control in politics, remember what thatcher did but would not apply the same rule to her own party, the ruling of voting with in a party that she force onto Labour and to the Unions. There are no Left hard groups in the UK, it only seems hard left because the right as moved that far right wing it only looks to be hard left but the real truth is that they are center to left. The reality of it all you remove Right wing Influence from politics like the right wing as done to the left and things would return back heading into the left that would be the natural coarse as the majority even low they don't know it are left wing[/p][/quote]Doesn't the Socialist Workers' Party strike you as a teensy bit left? Or do you think we need the Bolshevik Party?[/p][/quote]One I am not in the Socialist Workers Party, that is a different political party, left wing yes and maybe a bit more left than the Socialist Party (the SP is a more center to left ground party, where as the SWP are all left wing and a bit more) The SP which I belong to thought out England and Wales the Socialist Party is backing the TUSC, but with the SWP they are split some parts in the country they back the TUSC while in other parts they don't and prefer to back Left Unity, which have the far left wing groups. If your talking about Lenin Communism then yes we do need them, as they did not get rid of political party groups just because they where right wing capitalist, Lenin allowed them the carry on in the Russian Government/Politics and they was the bigger of the political groups at the time, Stalin was a member to one off these right wing revolutionist the Revolutionist Provincialist Republicans, He was never a member to any Socialist party what so ever he Hated them, what put and kept Lenin in power was that he had the backing of the Majority of the people even low his party was the smallest of all the Political party,s in Russia southy
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12:25pm Sun 25 May 14

southy says...

skeptik wrote:
Truly difficult to work through some of this incoherent nonsense - the right interfering with the left? All of this talk about parties moving this way or that - one wonders if the electorate have an influence on any of these theories and outcomes. Trying to apply yesterdays ideas and theories today with a different electorate - more are property owners, they do not work in mass employment - factories. works and yards now. Personally I admire anyone with principles - what many cannot do is adapt to a changing world. All the left or for that matter the right has to do is convince the electorate - it is truly arrogant to suggest because they do not 'comply' they are being brainwashed by the right - it would appear that the expertise in brainwashing is elsewhere.
What have all the political party,s got in common apart from the TUSC.

Not sure well here your answer you look at all the party's and this includes UKIP and the Green party, they all have connections to the Bilderberg Meeting they have all sent some one to attend these meetings and many of them all so have people going to other closed doors organisations like the Masons which UKIP as fair few of its members belonging to the Masons, these groups operate behind closed doors the general public are not allowed to know what is going on inside there meetings and when you look at what some off the members are in public life, should it be allowed I and many other think it should not be allowed because they are being influence by those with money and power.
Like if you wanted to attend say the Bilderberg meetings you would not be allowed, unless you are a person of great wealth or power or both like our Government Millionaire Cabinet who most have been to a Bilderberg meeting, the kind of people that are invited is well out of reach for 99% of the population, because they are not top politicians, financiers, Corporations bosses and very high ranking military officers and they all operating behind closed doors and determining the worlds future in which the majority have no say in the matter.
The Labour party was meant to slowly move to the left it was designed that way, but control was taking over by the right and I no longer surprise after learning that Dennis Healey, Neil Kinnock, Tony Blair, Miliband Brothers and other Labour members have been invited and attended the Bilderberg meetings along side high number of Tory members which include Ted Heath, M,Thatcher, Cameron and other top Tory party members. And we are not talking about a few country's attending we are talking about the majority of country's attending and those that do not attend are declared enemy's, this group as the biggest influence in world politics and its not politics that is best suited for the majority its only best for the few.
If it was what is best for the majority around the world it would be moving to the Left but it is not it is slowly moving more and more to the right. also who controls the media its not the left is it, its is totally controlled you with out realising it are being bombarded all the time the way to think and not what to think.
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: Truly difficult to work through some of this incoherent nonsense - the right interfering with the left? All of this talk about parties moving this way or that - one wonders if the electorate have an influence on any of these theories and outcomes. Trying to apply yesterdays ideas and theories today with a different electorate - more are property owners, they do not work in mass employment - factories. works and yards now. Personally I admire anyone with principles - what many cannot do is adapt to a changing world. All the left or for that matter the right has to do is convince the electorate - it is truly arrogant to suggest because they do not 'comply' they are being brainwashed by the right - it would appear that the expertise in brainwashing is elsewhere.[/p][/quote]What have all the political party,s got in common apart from the TUSC. Not sure well here your answer you look at all the party's and this includes UKIP and the Green party, they all have connections to the Bilderberg Meeting they have all sent some one to attend these meetings and many of them all so have people going to other closed doors organisations like the Masons which UKIP as fair few of its members belonging to the Masons, these groups operate behind closed doors the general public are not allowed to know what is going on inside there meetings and when you look at what some off the members are in public life, should it be allowed I and many other think it should not be allowed because they are being influence by those with money and power. Like if you wanted to attend say the Bilderberg meetings you would not be allowed, unless you are a person of great wealth or power or both like our Government Millionaire Cabinet who most have been to a Bilderberg meeting, the kind of people that are invited is well out of reach for 99% of the population, because they are not top politicians, financiers, Corporations bosses and very high ranking military officers and they all operating behind closed doors and determining the worlds future in which the majority have no say in the matter. The Labour party was meant to slowly move to the left it was designed that way, but control was taking over by the right and I no longer surprise after learning that Dennis Healey, Neil Kinnock, Tony Blair, Miliband Brothers and other Labour members have been invited and attended the Bilderberg meetings along side high number of Tory members which include Ted Heath, M,Thatcher, Cameron and other top Tory party members. And we are not talking about a few country's attending we are talking about the majority of country's attending and those that do not attend are declared enemy's, this group as the biggest influence in world politics and its not politics that is best suited for the majority its only best for the few. If it was what is best for the majority around the world it would be moving to the Left but it is not it is slowly moving more and more to the right. also who controls the media its not the left is it, its is totally controlled you with out realising it are being bombarded all the time the way to think and not what to think. southy
  • Score: -1

2:29pm Sun 25 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Conspiracy theories are so deja vu Southy old chap. Try again. In passing, since I think you stand for election, is this what you say to your potential electorate? Do they look a bit confused? At least Rent Acts and rationing are simple, even if complete tosh.
Conspiracy theories are so deja vu Southy old chap. Try again. In passing, since I think you stand for election, is this what you say to your potential electorate? Do they look a bit confused? At least Rent Acts and rationing are simple, even if complete tosh. Dai Rear
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4:21pm Sun 25 May 14

skeptik says...

Listen how you arrived at 'not sure' and then went on to enlighten me with incoherent nonsense - explains why so few vote for such tosh. It's not down to the Masons or right wing it is self explanatory - all theory and no proof. To suggest people are being bombarded with 'the way to think and not what to think' is that not a tad arrogant? - Not sure what the difference is - are we all stupid because we do not fall for this. Everyone and everything is to blame - if the proof is there for you to see, I assume you have proof and this is not just a tirade - why is it that the rest of the population have not seen it - perhaps you should tell all.
Listen how you arrived at 'not sure' and then went on to enlighten me with incoherent nonsense - explains why so few vote for such tosh. It's not down to the Masons or right wing it is self explanatory - all theory and no proof. To suggest people are being bombarded with 'the way to think and not what to think' is that not a tad arrogant? - Not sure what the difference is - are we all stupid because we do not fall for this. Everyone and everything is to blame - if the proof is there for you to see, I assume you have proof and this is not just a tirade - why is it that the rest of the population have not seen it - perhaps you should tell all. skeptik
  • Score: 0

5:27pm Sun 25 May 14

southy says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Conspiracy theories are so deja vu Southy old chap. Try again. In passing, since I think you stand for election, is this what you say to your potential electorate? Do they look a bit confused? At least Rent Acts and rationing are simple, even if complete tosh.
Do you realise what conspiracy theories mean, What I have said in no secret so there for can not be a Conspiracy.
Every Time there,s a Bilderberg Group Meeting it is known about, there is a group of people who work hard in finding out where the Bilderberg meeting is to take place and when and that same group arrange people at the entrances and at other locations to record and take note who go's into these meetings.
These meetings are behind closed doors, the press is not even allowed to enter and take notes or to report of what is being talk about. They are not there to play around of golf or for weekend together over dinner, they are there to discus world policy.
As for the masons they contain Judges, Police officers, lawyers, lower level politicians, business owners/directors ect You have to be some one in the know or know some one that is, Another case of close doors.
These people have influences over others and should not be allowed to take up any government post or if they are then they should not be allowed to attain such meetings that operates behind closed doors
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Conspiracy theories are so deja vu Southy old chap. Try again. In passing, since I think you stand for election, is this what you say to your potential electorate? Do they look a bit confused? At least Rent Acts and rationing are simple, even if complete tosh.[/p][/quote]Do you realise what conspiracy theories mean, What I have said in no secret so there for can not be a Conspiracy. Every Time there,s a Bilderberg Group Meeting it is known about, there is a group of people who work hard in finding out where the Bilderberg meeting is to take place and when and that same group arrange people at the entrances and at other locations to record and take note who go's into these meetings. These meetings are behind closed doors, the press is not even allowed to enter and take notes or to report of what is being talk about. They are not there to play around of golf or for weekend together over dinner, they are there to discus world policy. As for the masons they contain Judges, Police officers, lawyers, lower level politicians, business owners/directors ect You have to be some one in the know or know some one that is, Another case of close doors. These people have influences over others and should not be allowed to take up any government post or if they are then they should not be allowed to attain such meetings that operates behind closed doors southy
  • Score: -3

6:05pm Sun 25 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Southy, you can have conspiracies which are perfectly open. For example the parties in government and the socialist opposition conspire to pretend we can go on borrowing indefinitely to cover the massive social security budget. A similar pretence is maintained by other Western European governments.
Next?
Southy, you can have conspiracies which are perfectly open. For example the parties in government and the socialist opposition conspire to pretend we can go on borrowing indefinitely to cover the massive social security budget. A similar pretence is maintained by other Western European governments. Next? Dai Rear
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7:03pm Sun 25 May 14

southy says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Southy, you can have conspiracies which are perfectly open. For example the parties in government and the socialist opposition conspire to pretend we can go on borrowing indefinitely to cover the massive social security budget. A similar pretence is maintained by other Western European governments.
Next?
conspiracies are secret, conspire with others is different, means that they got found out, which is the case of the Bilderberg meetings these meetings had been going on for decades with out any one knowing about them apart from a few. And what go's on in-side the meetings are still secret and that is what is wrong.
Ah you mean borrowing our own money at a cost for that what it is, We give money to the IMF for example but when we need some of that back to run things it comes at an cost and we can only borrow up to 1/3 to what we give to the IMF and we have to pay interest on what we borrow. To pay for things like the NHS who as £120 million per day to run the NHS, but who gets this money its not the NHS it self, it go's to the private sector of the NHS the parts that was sold off.
Another words you been sold a lie over the social security budget we all have but some did not buy into it. the debt is not a real debt it is man made for the benefit of a few.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Southy, you can have conspiracies which are perfectly open. For example the parties in government and the socialist opposition conspire to pretend we can go on borrowing indefinitely to cover the massive social security budget. A similar pretence is maintained by other Western European governments. Next?[/p][/quote]conspiracies are secret, conspire with others is different, means that they got found out, which is the case of the Bilderberg meetings these meetings had been going on for decades with out any one knowing about them apart from a few. And what go's on in-side the meetings are still secret and that is what is wrong. Ah you mean borrowing our own money at a cost for that what it is, We give money to the IMF for example but when we need some of that back to run things it comes at an cost and we can only borrow up to 1/3 to what we give to the IMF and we have to pay interest on what we borrow. To pay for things like the NHS who as £120 million per day to run the NHS, but who gets this money its not the NHS it self, it go's to the private sector of the NHS the parts that was sold off. Another words you been sold a lie over the social security budget we all have but some did not buy into it. the debt is not a real debt it is man made for the benefit of a few. southy
  • Score: -1

7:59pm Sun 25 May 14

southy says...

One for the UKIP supporters to think about.
If UKIP was not interested in staying in the EU, why put up candidates for the EU election why not use all your resources to fight local and national elections, like what the TUSC as done
One for the UKIP supporters to think about. If UKIP was not interested in staying in the EU, why put up candidates for the EU election why not use all your resources to fight local and national elections, like what the TUSC as done southy
  • Score: -2

8:32pm Sun 25 May 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
One for the UKIP supporters to think about.
If UKIP was not interested in staying in the EU, why put up candidates for the EU election why not use all your resources to fight local and national elections, like what the TUSC as done
It's going to be painful to accept but a complete failure like 'the Tusc' is not a good example to quote when UKIP have just gained 180+ seats on English councils and the three main party's are praying that UKIP won't make a clean sweep in the European elections. UKIP would have the same level of influence as 'the Tusc' (IE; Zero) by not standing for the European parliament but they can wield power from within. UKIP cannot offer any sort of referendum without gaining power in Westminster so the parliament in Strasbourg is the next best thing. I think they're trying to do the decent thing and leave Maltby Parish Council to those better suited to entry level politics.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: One for the UKIP supporters to think about. If UKIP was not interested in staying in the EU, why put up candidates for the EU election why not use all your resources to fight local and national elections, like what the TUSC as done[/p][/quote]It's going to be painful to accept but a complete failure like 'the Tusc' is not a good example to quote when UKIP have just gained 180+ seats on English councils and the three main party's are praying that UKIP won't make a clean sweep in the European elections. UKIP would have the same level of influence as 'the Tusc' (IE; Zero) by not standing for the European parliament but they can wield power from within. UKIP cannot offer any sort of referendum without gaining power in Westminster so the parliament in Strasbourg is the next best thing. I think they're trying to do the decent thing and leave Maltby Parish Council to those better suited to entry level politics. Torchie1
  • Score: 2

8:35pm Sun 25 May 14

Torchie1 says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
One for the UKIP supporters to think about.
If UKIP was not interested in staying in the EU, why put up candidates for the EU election why not use all your resources to fight local and national elections, like what the TUSC as done
It's going to be painful to accept but a complete failure like 'the Tusc' is not a good example to quote when UKIP have just gained 180+ seats on English councils and the three main party's are praying that UKIP won't make a clean sweep in the European elections. UKIP would have the same level of influence as 'the Tusc' (IE; Zero) by not standing for the European parliament but they can wield power from within. UKIP cannot offer any sort of referendum without gaining power in Westminster so the parliament in Strasbourg is the next best thing. I think they're trying to do the decent thing and leave Maltby Parish Council to those better suited to entry level politics.
Could I correct the "180+" seats and replace it with 161 before the argument goes off on a tangent?
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: One for the UKIP supporters to think about. If UKIP was not interested in staying in the EU, why put up candidates for the EU election why not use all your resources to fight local and national elections, like what the TUSC as done[/p][/quote]It's going to be painful to accept but a complete failure like 'the Tusc' is not a good example to quote when UKIP have just gained 180+ seats on English councils and the three main party's are praying that UKIP won't make a clean sweep in the European elections. UKIP would have the same level of influence as 'the Tusc' (IE; Zero) by not standing for the European parliament but they can wield power from within. UKIP cannot offer any sort of referendum without gaining power in Westminster so the parliament in Strasbourg is the next best thing. I think they're trying to do the decent thing and leave Maltby Parish Council to those better suited to entry level politics.[/p][/quote]Could I correct the "180+" seats and replace it with 161 before the argument goes off on a tangent? Torchie1
  • Score: 0

9:07pm Sun 25 May 14

loosehead says...

I thought the Milliband family were of Jewish descent? So why was he trying to eat a bacon butty/sandwich & is that the look of total revulsion on his face?
Was he trying to act like a working class person?
I thought the Milliband family were of Jewish descent? So why was he trying to eat a bacon butty/sandwich & is that the look of total revulsion on his face? Was he trying to act like a working class person? loosehead
  • Score: 1

8:03am Mon 26 May 14

Dai Rear says...

southy wrote:
One for the UKIP supporters to think about.
If UKIP was not interested in staying in the EU, why put up candidates for the EU election why not use all your resources to fight local and national elections, like what the TUSC as done
One for Southy to think about-if Mohammedan fundamentalists detest liberal education why did they infiltrate the governing bodies of Birmingham Schools? Southy, you've heard of the Trojan Horse haven't you? Well UKIP in Brussels is a kind of Trojan Horse that everyone knows about, a public conspiracy if you will. geddit?
Anyway Nige dun good and if it means that the 3 stooges, CC&M get a vague notion that London is not the entire UK then it's a good day.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: One for the UKIP supporters to think about. If UKIP was not interested in staying in the EU, why put up candidates for the EU election why not use all your resources to fight local and national elections, like what the TUSC as done[/p][/quote]One for Southy to think about-if Mohammedan fundamentalists detest liberal education why did they infiltrate the governing bodies of Birmingham Schools? Southy, you've heard of the Trojan Horse haven't you? Well UKIP in Brussels is a kind of Trojan Horse that everyone knows about, a public conspiracy if you will. geddit? Anyway Nige dun good and if it means that the 3 stooges, CC&M get a vague notion that London is not the entire UK then it's a good day. Dai Rear
  • Score: 1

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