Students and lecturers could be key in deciding the Southampton Itchen seat at next year's General Election

Southampton Itchen MP John Denham is standing down next year

Southampton Itchen MP John Denham is standing down next year

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STUDENTS and lecturers hold the key to a “knife-edge” Southampton constituency, a Tory pollster has concluded.

The Itchen seat – held by Labour with a thin majority of just 192 votes – is neck-and-neck with nine months to go to the General Election, a detailed poll found.

Both Labour and the Conservatives are on 34 per cent, with the Liberal Democrats trailing on ten per cent, according to the survey by Lord Ashcroft, a former major Tory donor.

It means David Cameron’s party has enjoyed a slight swing in Itchen since the 2010 election – in sharp contrast to other Labour ultra-marginal seats, where the reverse has happened.

In a blog about his poll – which was taken by 1,000 voters – Lord Ashcroft wrote: “This could point to a very tight race in the city, where the local council elections in May were very closely fought.”

However, the former Conservative deputy chairman suggested Itchen’s “curious demographics” could explain why the result was different to other key seats.

There were “an unusually high proportion of students (most of whom will have been at home elsewhere for the summer vacation) and academics (most of whom will have been in Tuscany. Or Cuba)”.

Lord Ashcroft implied the missing students and academics were more likely to vote Labour next year, adding: “We will see in future rounds of research whether Itchen stays on a knife-edge, or reverts to the general pattern.”

In Itchen journalist and councillor Rowenna Davis will fight to retain the seat held by John Denham, who is standing down after 23 years.

Daily Echo: Rowenna Davis

Labour candidate Rowenna Davis

She will face Royston Smith the leader of the city council’s Conservative opposition, who was narrowly beaten by Mr Denham four years ago.

Daily Echo: Southampton City Council leader Royston Smith and HMS Astute

Conservative candidate Royston Smith

The Tories must win seats such as Itchen if Mr Cameron is to win a Commons majority – while losing it would be a disaster for Labour.

Elsewhere in the county, Lord Ashcroft found that Labour is gaining ground in more Conservative seats, as former Tory voters switch to the UK Independence Party in growing numbers.

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8:37am Sun 24 Aug 14

speedicut says...

Indeed - the 1000 additional students at Mayflower Plaza (in Bargate Ward which is part of Southampton Itchen) won't hurt Ms Davis either. It will be an interesting one.
Indeed - the 1000 additional students at Mayflower Plaza (in Bargate Ward which is part of Southampton Itchen) won't hurt Ms Davis either. It will be an interesting one. speedicut
  • Score: 10

10:40am Sun 24 Aug 14

On the inside says...

Ashcroft does a good job running competent polls but even he cannot avoid the odd outlier. This is one of them. Wait for the next poll.
Ashcroft does a good job running competent polls but even he cannot avoid the odd outlier. This is one of them. Wait for the next poll. On the inside
  • Score: 3

10:45am Sun 24 Aug 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

NuLabour's lady imported from London to replace exceptionally hard working John Denham, who because of his political unreliability can be every thing to whoever he talks to, could pose to be a problem for Miliband led Thatcherised unprincipled mob in Southampton Itchen.

Unlike John her record of loyalty to people she represents can be questioned, as she got herself elected conncillor in London but then moved to Southampton, so while living far away from the people she was elected to help, pocketing her Council allowances/wage/expe
nses etc.

While trying to be overclever to get selected as candidate in Itchen Rowenna Davis has also proved herself to be a liar, because she was very rightly exposed by Daily Echo for falsely claiming full support / endorsement for herself from leading business leader and head of a prominent school.

Only things going for her will be, she will be fielded as candidate for The Labour Party (The trick Thatcherised New Labour plays to secure support of decent people who believe in true old Labour and it's values) and nasty image of the Tories plus their contamination with Lib-Dem, whose total collapse may shift those votes towards NuLabour pretending to be Labour.

Tory candidate Cllr. Royston Smith may not get the votes of real socialists but underestimating his chance of winnig in Itchen will be arrogance or stupidity or combination of both, of which there is no shortage in Miliband led 'Mob'

Cllr. Smith may not be popular with us on the left, but like John Denham he too has a very good record of helping his constituents with their individual problems/cases.

For people of Harefield ward Cllr. Smith has proved to be worthy replacement for former extra ordinarily hard worker and exceptionally able socialisty leaning Alan Lloyd, whom the NuLabourite Mafia banned from contesting elections because he was too faithful to people of his ward (Just like what they did to Cllr. Don Thomas and Keith Morrell and few others)

In fact what we on the real principled left don't like about Cllr. Smith may turn out to be his advantage with many voters.

We rightly view him as anti trade unions and not willing to forget that Council workers had to go on strike to oppose his cuts. BUT others may think of him as a rare politician with strong knees who says what he means and means what he says, so on that score even better than John Denham, who has always been politically dodgy apart from his admirable stand against Iraq war.

But it won't be plain sailing for Cllr. Smith, because the B team of Tories the UKIP is likely to nick some of his votes, whether his own scepticsism of EU will be sufficient to save his skin or not remains to be seen.

So NuLabour's imported hack from London may turn out to be lucky lady as UKIP may prove to be her saviour and like minded right wing friends.
NuLabour's lady imported from London to replace exceptionally hard working John Denham, who because of his political unreliability can be every thing to whoever he talks to, could pose to be a problem for Miliband led Thatcherised unprincipled mob in Southampton Itchen. Unlike John her record of loyalty to people she represents can be questioned, as she got herself elected conncillor in London but then moved to Southampton, so while living far away from the people she was elected to help, pocketing her Council allowances/wage/expe nses etc. While trying to be overclever to get selected as candidate in Itchen Rowenna Davis has also proved herself to be a liar, because she was very rightly exposed by Daily Echo for falsely claiming full support / endorsement for herself from leading business leader and head of a prominent school. Only things going for her will be, she will be fielded as candidate for The Labour Party (The trick Thatcherised New Labour plays to secure support of decent people who believe in true old Labour and it's values) and nasty image of the Tories plus their contamination with Lib-Dem, whose total collapse may shift those votes towards NuLabour pretending to be Labour. Tory candidate Cllr. Royston Smith may not get the votes of real socialists but underestimating his chance of winnig in Itchen will be arrogance or stupidity or combination of both, of which there is no shortage in Miliband led 'Mob' Cllr. Smith may not be popular with us on the left, but like John Denham he too has a very good record of helping his constituents with their individual problems/cases. For people of Harefield ward Cllr. Smith has proved to be worthy replacement for former extra ordinarily hard worker and exceptionally able socialisty leaning Alan Lloyd, whom the NuLabourite Mafia banned from contesting elections because he was too faithful to people of his ward (Just like what they did to Cllr. Don Thomas and Keith Morrell and few others) In fact what we on the real principled left don't like about Cllr. Smith may turn out to be his advantage with many voters. We rightly view him as anti trade unions and not willing to forget that Council workers had to go on strike to oppose his cuts. BUT others may think of him as a rare politician with strong knees who says what he means and means what he says, so on that score even better than John Denham, who has always been politically dodgy apart from his admirable stand against Iraq war. But it won't be plain sailing for Cllr. Smith, because the B team of Tories the UKIP is likely to nick some of his votes, whether his own scepticsism of EU will be sufficient to save his skin or not remains to be seen. So NuLabour's imported hack from London may turn out to be lucky lady as UKIP may prove to be her saviour and like minded right wing friends. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -6

11:16am Sun 24 Aug 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Yes Ashcroft said the same in 5 words "It could go either way".
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I think that Rowena is looking forward to your help in canvassing the area !! as it seems she has your backhanded support .... almost, maybe, perhaps.
Yes Ashcroft said the same in 5 words "It could go either way". . I think that Rowena is looking forward to your help in canvassing the area !! as it seems she has your backhanded support .... almost, maybe, perhaps. Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -4

11:35am Sun 24 Aug 14

Donald2000 says...

What does anyone think that Denham has done for us. These Labour people are the laziest people on God's green earth. I have pointed out to the Labour councillors in St Mary's (Bargate) ward things that need doing; the filthy premises and leaning buildings that need demolishing. There has been no response to my enquiries. Yet, in my own ward, Royston always seems to be dealing with constituent queries and dealing with them well.

He is obtainable and he has a presence within the local community; unlike Denham who spends a lot of time in London and has a property there that we (taxpayers) purchased for him.

I think Royston will get in. He has proved himself worthy as an upstanding citizen. Were it not for him others might have lost their lives on that submarine. I think you know what you are getting with Royston. I would not normally vote Tory but I would recommend voting for him. I think he will get things done.
What does anyone think that Denham has done for us. These Labour people are the laziest people on God's green earth. I have pointed out to the Labour councillors in St Mary's (Bargate) ward things that need doing; the filthy premises and leaning buildings that need demolishing. There has been no response to my enquiries. Yet, in my own ward, Royston always seems to be dealing with constituent queries and dealing with them well. He is obtainable and he has a presence within the local community; unlike Denham who spends a lot of time in London and has a property there that we (taxpayers) purchased for him. I think Royston will get in. He has proved himself worthy as an upstanding citizen. Were it not for him others might have lost their lives on that submarine. I think you know what you are getting with Royston. I would not normally vote Tory but I would recommend voting for him. I think he will get things done. Donald2000
  • Score: -3

11:36am Sun 24 Aug 14

Miguel Raton says...

Does it really matter who wins the seat? The result will be the same. Another Lib/Lab/Con parasite feeding from the public trough while implementing policies that will ensure the continued demise of this once great country to the status of third world dump.
Does it really matter who wins the seat? The result will be the same. Another Lib/Lab/Con parasite feeding from the public trough while implementing policies that will ensure the continued demise of this once great country to the status of third world dump. Miguel Raton
  • Score: -2

11:48am Sun 24 Aug 14

skeptik says...

If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?
If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them? skeptik
  • Score: 0

12:00pm Sun 24 Aug 14

southy says...

Southampton Itchen Constituency, will be where it's all at, its a 5 horse race, unlike Southampton Test Constituency where Whitehead will retain his seat in Government, the Itchen Constituency is a totally different ball game.
You have Labour who bought a yes woman and will fall in-line with head office, Bring in some one from the outside as never really work to well for Labour here in Southampton, except for the odd one or two, Labour will lose votes because of this.
Then you have the Torys, Royston done him self to mach damage while leader of the Southampton Council he tried to force his ditatorship onto the workers and did not go down well, even with the Union's Tory Voters and theres a number of them out there, he will lose these votes, The Torys on the Eastern side of the City also have to contend with UKIP who will take a fair numbers of votes away from the Tory's.
UKIP done well in the by-election increasing there votes down the outside of the City on the eastern side, and they have not stop working hard since they can smell the blood of the Tory Voter's anger and they want there vote's, UKIP members and supporters have been told to hit every UK blogg going and they have been doing so, while all other partys have been ignoring the power of the bloggs, it might be only the very small number that get onto the blogg's to debate, But UKIP as realise that you only need to turn one person to make effect as they will talk to other's and so-forth.
The Green Party could make large gains here but it will mean a lot of hard work a lot more than they are doing now and the same applies to TUSC if they want votes they need to get out there and work hard. there are loads of people who want to change but do not know what the smaller partys are about yet.
As for the Lib/Dems well you can discount them they kick them selfs up the butt by teaming up with the Tory's.
On the whole though out the UK its going to be a Labour party controled government, so expect no change they will not undo what the Tory's as messed up they will just carry on with the Thatcherite policy.
Southampton Itchen Constituency, will be where it's all at, its a 5 horse race, unlike Southampton Test Constituency where Whitehead will retain his seat in Government, the Itchen Constituency is a totally different ball game. You have Labour who bought a yes woman and will fall in-line with head office, Bring in some one from the outside as never really work to well for Labour here in Southampton, except for the odd one or two, Labour will lose votes because of this. Then you have the Torys, Royston done him self to mach damage while leader of the Southampton Council he tried to force his ditatorship onto the workers and did not go down well, even with the Union's Tory Voters and theres a number of them out there, he will lose these votes, The Torys on the Eastern side of the City also have to contend with UKIP who will take a fair numbers of votes away from the Tory's. UKIP done well in the by-election increasing there votes down the outside of the City on the eastern side, and they have not stop working hard since they can smell the blood of the Tory Voter's anger and they want there vote's, UKIP members and supporters have been told to hit every UK blogg going and they have been doing so, while all other partys have been ignoring the power of the bloggs, it might be only the very small number that get onto the blogg's to debate, But UKIP as realise that you only need to turn one person to make effect as they will talk to other's and so-forth. The Green Party could make large gains here but it will mean a lot of hard work a lot more than they are doing now and the same applies to TUSC if they want votes they need to get out there and work hard. there are loads of people who want to change but do not know what the smaller partys are about yet. As for the Lib/Dems well you can discount them they kick them selfs up the butt by teaming up with the Tory's. On the whole though out the UK its going to be a Labour party controled government, so expect no change they will not undo what the Tory's as messed up they will just carry on with the Thatcherite policy. southy
  • Score: -11

12:41pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Yes Ashcroft said the same in 5 words "It could go either way".
.
I think that Rowena is looking forward to your help in canvassing the area !! as it seems she has your backhanded support .... almost, maybe, perhaps.
I can't understand why Cashcroft has wasted money on this opinion poll. Because without any meaningful policies wise difference between all the major parties, result of not only Southampton Itchen but the next government can certainly be predicted in 5 words "Will be another Thatcherite government".

That will mean super rich will keep on doing well at the expense of working and middle classes. End of decent socialist Nye Bevan's baby, our NHS.

Have a nice day, switch on your TV to watch F1 at Spa. That is if you can still afford a TV while suffering from austerity measures of last and current governments, because of the greed of their buddies in banking and big business world which virtually killed our nation's economy.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Yes Ashcroft said the same in 5 words "It could go either way". . I think that Rowena is looking forward to your help in canvassing the area !! as it seems she has your backhanded support .... almost, maybe, perhaps.[/p][/quote]I can't understand why Cashcroft has wasted money on this opinion poll. Because without any meaningful policies wise difference between all the major parties, result of not only Southampton Itchen but the next government can certainly be predicted in 5 words "Will be another Thatcherite government". That will mean super rich will keep on doing well at the expense of working and middle classes. End of decent socialist Nye Bevan's baby, our NHS. Have a nice day, switch on your TV to watch F1 at Spa. That is if you can still afford a TV while suffering from austerity measures of last and current governments, because of the greed of their buddies in banking and big business world which virtually killed our nation's economy. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -5

12:58pm Sun 24 Aug 14

skeptik says...

The passing of years has taught me one thing - those who shout most about what others should or should not be doing - 'make them' is the cry - will in the fullness of time be in that group described as 'them'. The low wage economy is coming your way however secure you feel at present.
The passing of years has taught me one thing - those who shout most about what others should or should not be doing - 'make them' is the cry - will in the fullness of time be in that group described as 'them'. The low wage economy is coming your way however secure you feel at present. skeptik
  • Score: 0

1:00pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

southy wrote:
Southampton Itchen Constituency, will be where it's all at, its a 5 horse race, unlike Southampton Test Constituency where Whitehead will retain his seat in Government, the Itchen Constituency is a totally different ball game.
You have Labour who bought a yes woman and will fall in-line with head office, Bring in some one from the outside as never really work to well for Labour here in Southampton, except for the odd one or two, Labour will lose votes because of this.
Then you have the Torys, Royston done him self to mach damage while leader of the Southampton Council he tried to force his ditatorship onto the workers and did not go down well, even with the Union's Tory Voters and theres a number of them out there, he will lose these votes, The Torys on the Eastern side of the City also have to contend with UKIP who will take a fair numbers of votes away from the Tory's.
UKIP done well in the by-election increasing there votes down the outside of the City on the eastern side, and they have not stop working hard since they can smell the blood of the Tory Voter's anger and they want there vote's, UKIP members and supporters have been told to hit every UK blogg going and they have been doing so, while all other partys have been ignoring the power of the bloggs, it might be only the very small number that get onto the blogg's to debate, But UKIP as realise that you only need to turn one person to make effect as they will talk to other's and so-forth.
The Green Party could make large gains here but it will mean a lot of hard work a lot more than they are doing now and the same applies to TUSC if they want votes they need to get out there and work hard. there are loads of people who want to change but do not know what the smaller partys are about yet.
As for the Lib/Dems well you can discount them they kick them selfs up the butt by teaming up with the Tory's.
On the whole though out the UK its going to be a Labour party controled government, so expect no change they will not undo what the Tory's as messed up they will just carry on with the Thatcherite policy.
Peter you have analysed well but there may be one minor flaw about Greens doing well. As we don't know if they'd be contesting Itchen, or do a deal with NuLabour, as they did once with Denham when he first won against Chris Chope.

Even if Greens contest it will also depend on who is their candidate, if he/she is like useless former Labour councillor Angela Mowle whom they have selected in Southampton Test then nobody with bit of working brain should be considering opting for Greens. As you know they haven't got many like Caroline Lucas amongst their membership, will they be able to find a decent candidate?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Southampton Itchen Constituency, will be where it's all at, its a 5 horse race, unlike Southampton Test Constituency where Whitehead will retain his seat in Government, the Itchen Constituency is a totally different ball game. You have Labour who bought a yes woman and will fall in-line with head office, Bring in some one from the outside as never really work to well for Labour here in Southampton, except for the odd one or two, Labour will lose votes because of this. Then you have the Torys, Royston done him self to mach damage while leader of the Southampton Council he tried to force his ditatorship onto the workers and did not go down well, even with the Union's Tory Voters and theres a number of them out there, he will lose these votes, The Torys on the Eastern side of the City also have to contend with UKIP who will take a fair numbers of votes away from the Tory's. UKIP done well in the by-election increasing there votes down the outside of the City on the eastern side, and they have not stop working hard since they can smell the blood of the Tory Voter's anger and they want there vote's, UKIP members and supporters have been told to hit every UK blogg going and they have been doing so, while all other partys have been ignoring the power of the bloggs, it might be only the very small number that get onto the blogg's to debate, But UKIP as realise that you only need to turn one person to make effect as they will talk to other's and so-forth. The Green Party could make large gains here but it will mean a lot of hard work a lot more than they are doing now and the same applies to TUSC if they want votes they need to get out there and work hard. there are loads of people who want to change but do not know what the smaller partys are about yet. As for the Lib/Dems well you can discount them they kick them selfs up the butt by teaming up with the Tory's. On the whole though out the UK its going to be a Labour party controled government, so expect no change they will not undo what the Tory's as messed up they will just carry on with the Thatcherite policy.[/p][/quote]Peter you have analysed well but there may be one minor flaw about Greens doing well. As we don't know if they'd be contesting Itchen, or do a deal with NuLabour, as they did once with Denham when he first won against Chris Chope. Even if Greens contest it will also depend on who is their candidate, if he/she is like useless former Labour councillor Angela Mowle whom they have selected in Southampton Test then nobody with bit of working brain should be considering opting for Greens. As you know they haven't got many like Caroline Lucas amongst their membership, will they be able to find a decent candidate? Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -2

1:12pm Sun 24 Aug 14

The Watcher says...

Donald2000 wrote:
What does anyone think that Denham has done for us. These Labour people are the laziest people on God's green earth. I have pointed out to the Labour councillors in St Mary's (Bargate) ward things that need doing; the filthy premises and leaning buildings that need demolishing. There has been no response to my enquiries. Yet, in my own ward, Royston always seems to be dealing with constituent queries and dealing with them well.

He is obtainable and he has a presence within the local community; unlike Denham who spends a lot of time in London and has a property there that we (taxpayers) purchased for him.

I think Royston will get in. He has proved himself worthy as an upstanding citizen. Were it not for him others might have lost their lives on that submarine. I think you know what you are getting with Royston. I would not normally vote Tory but I would recommend voting for him. I think he will get things done.
Balderdash.
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Southampton Itchen has in recent years been blessed with excellent representatives. The Rt Hon Christopher Chope was an excellent MP, whilst Denham has also shown himself to be a great MP.
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Both juggled senior positions in Government and representing their constituents with aplomb.
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Whilst they may have opposing political viewpoints, they both served their constituents effectively and efficiently.
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Your partisan political point scoring is wide of the mark.
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Sadly, the washed up Smith and the somewhat naive Davis are not a patch on these two politicians. Even though it pains me to say it, I actually think Davis has more to offer, as long as she hits the ground running. Smith must be one of the worst nominations for such a crucial seat.
[quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: What does anyone think that Denham has done for us. These Labour people are the laziest people on God's green earth. I have pointed out to the Labour councillors in St Mary's (Bargate) ward things that need doing; the filthy premises and leaning buildings that need demolishing. There has been no response to my enquiries. Yet, in my own ward, Royston always seems to be dealing with constituent queries and dealing with them well. He is obtainable and he has a presence within the local community; unlike Denham who spends a lot of time in London and has a property there that we (taxpayers) purchased for him. I think Royston will get in. He has proved himself worthy as an upstanding citizen. Were it not for him others might have lost their lives on that submarine. I think you know what you are getting with Royston. I would not normally vote Tory but I would recommend voting for him. I think he will get things done.[/p][/quote]Balderdash. . Southampton Itchen has in recent years been blessed with excellent representatives. The Rt Hon Christopher Chope was an excellent MP, whilst Denham has also shown himself to be a great MP. . Both juggled senior positions in Government and representing their constituents with aplomb. . Whilst they may have opposing political viewpoints, they both served their constituents effectively and efficiently. . Your partisan political point scoring is wide of the mark. . Sadly, the washed up Smith and the somewhat naive Davis are not a patch on these two politicians. Even though it pains me to say it, I actually think Davis has more to offer, as long as she hits the ground running. Smith must be one of the worst nominations for such a crucial seat. The Watcher
  • Score: 3

1:16pm Sun 24 Aug 14

IronLady2010 says...

I live in Southampton Itchen and to be fair I would prefer Royston at this moment in time.

I've emailed Denham a few times and the response time is poor, whereas when Royston was Council leader you always had a reply the same day sometimes as late as 11pm.
I live in Southampton Itchen and to be fair I would prefer Royston at this moment in time. I've emailed Denham a few times and the response time is poor, whereas when Royston was Council leader you always had a reply the same day sometimes as late as 11pm. IronLady2010
  • Score: 1

1:21pm Sun 24 Aug 14

southy says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
Southampton Itchen Constituency, will be where it's all at, its a 5 horse race, unlike Southampton Test Constituency where Whitehead will retain his seat in Government, the Itchen Constituency is a totally different ball game.
You have Labour who bought a yes woman and will fall in-line with head office, Bring in some one from the outside as never really work to well for Labour here in Southampton, except for the odd one or two, Labour will lose votes because of this.
Then you have the Torys, Royston done him self to mach damage while leader of the Southampton Council he tried to force his ditatorship onto the workers and did not go down well, even with the Union's Tory Voters and theres a number of them out there, he will lose these votes, The Torys on the Eastern side of the City also have to contend with UKIP who will take a fair numbers of votes away from the Tory's.
UKIP done well in the by-election increasing there votes down the outside of the City on the eastern side, and they have not stop working hard since they can smell the blood of the Tory Voter's anger and they want there vote's, UKIP members and supporters have been told to hit every UK blogg going and they have been doing so, while all other partys have been ignoring the power of the bloggs, it might be only the very small number that get onto the blogg's to debate, But UKIP as realise that you only need to turn one person to make effect as they will talk to other's and so-forth.
The Green Party could make large gains here but it will mean a lot of hard work a lot more than they are doing now and the same applies to TUSC if they want votes they need to get out there and work hard. there are loads of people who want to change but do not know what the smaller partys are about yet.
As for the Lib/Dems well you can discount them they kick them selfs up the butt by teaming up with the Tory's.
On the whole though out the UK its going to be a Labour party controled government, so expect no change they will not undo what the Tory's as messed up they will just carry on with the Thatcherite policy.
Peter you have analysed well but there may be one minor flaw about Greens doing well. As we don't know if they'd be contesting Itchen, or do a deal with NuLabour, as they did once with Denham when he first won against Chris Chope.

Even if Greens contest it will also depend on who is their candidate, if he/she is like useless former Labour councillor Angela Mowle whom they have selected in Southampton Test then nobody with bit of working brain should be considering opting for Greens. As you know they haven't got many like Caroline Lucas amongst their membership, will they be able to find a decent candidate?
Agreed but I think you find that they will stand and it will be a he. Your right there are a few good Greens, but what on the back of my mine is Brighton and Bristol, where in Brighton the Greens did not present any form of alternative budget even if it would of got voted out but applied the Government cutts and the case of that old lady who they took to court to get her evicted from her home, in Bristol they voted for cutts, So in reality they are showing them selfs to be the same as the Government.
But I do feel that they could do well if only they got theres selfs out and work hard to gain those votes
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Southampton Itchen Constituency, will be where it's all at, its a 5 horse race, unlike Southampton Test Constituency where Whitehead will retain his seat in Government, the Itchen Constituency is a totally different ball game. You have Labour who bought a yes woman and will fall in-line with head office, Bring in some one from the outside as never really work to well for Labour here in Southampton, except for the odd one or two, Labour will lose votes because of this. Then you have the Torys, Royston done him self to mach damage while leader of the Southampton Council he tried to force his ditatorship onto the workers and did not go down well, even with the Union's Tory Voters and theres a number of them out there, he will lose these votes, The Torys on the Eastern side of the City also have to contend with UKIP who will take a fair numbers of votes away from the Tory's. UKIP done well in the by-election increasing there votes down the outside of the City on the eastern side, and they have not stop working hard since they can smell the blood of the Tory Voter's anger and they want there vote's, UKIP members and supporters have been told to hit every UK blogg going and they have been doing so, while all other partys have been ignoring the power of the bloggs, it might be only the very small number that get onto the blogg's to debate, But UKIP as realise that you only need to turn one person to make effect as they will talk to other's and so-forth. The Green Party could make large gains here but it will mean a lot of hard work a lot more than they are doing now and the same applies to TUSC if they want votes they need to get out there and work hard. there are loads of people who want to change but do not know what the smaller partys are about yet. As for the Lib/Dems well you can discount them they kick them selfs up the butt by teaming up with the Tory's. On the whole though out the UK its going to be a Labour party controled government, so expect no change they will not undo what the Tory's as messed up they will just carry on with the Thatcherite policy.[/p][/quote]Peter you have analysed well but there may be one minor flaw about Greens doing well. As we don't know if they'd be contesting Itchen, or do a deal with NuLabour, as they did once with Denham when he first won against Chris Chope. Even if Greens contest it will also depend on who is their candidate, if he/she is like useless former Labour councillor Angela Mowle whom they have selected in Southampton Test then nobody with bit of working brain should be considering opting for Greens. As you know they haven't got many like Caroline Lucas amongst their membership, will they be able to find a decent candidate?[/p][/quote]Agreed but I think you find that they will stand and it will be a he. Your right there are a few good Greens, but what on the back of my mine is Brighton and Bristol, where in Brighton the Greens did not present any form of alternative budget even if it would of got voted out but applied the Government cutts and the case of that old lady who they took to court to get her evicted from her home, in Bristol they voted for cutts, So in reality they are showing them selfs to be the same as the Government. But I do feel that they could do well if only they got theres selfs out and work hard to gain those votes southy
  • Score: -3

2:01pm Sun 24 Aug 14

forest hump says...

Miguel Raton wrote:
Does it really matter who wins the seat? The result will be the same. Another Lib/Lab/Con parasite feeding from the public trough while implementing policies that will ensure the continued demise of this once great country to the status of third world dump.
Brilliant post! They are all lying self-indulgent egotists. The only agenda is to promote themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Miguel Raton[/bold] wrote: Does it really matter who wins the seat? The result will be the same. Another Lib/Lab/Con parasite feeding from the public trough while implementing policies that will ensure the continued demise of this once great country to the status of third world dump.[/p][/quote]Brilliant post! They are all lying self-indulgent egotists. The only agenda is to promote themselves. forest hump
  • Score: -1

2:32pm Sun 24 Aug 14

forest hump says...

skeptik wrote:
If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?
That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?[/p][/quote]That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful forest hump
  • Score: -3

2:44pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Lone Ranger. says...

forest hump wrote:
skeptik wrote:
If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?
That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful
Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?[/p][/quote]That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful[/p][/quote]Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -2

2:56pm Sun 24 Aug 14

IronLady2010 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
forest hump wrote:
skeptik wrote:
If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?
That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful
Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on
Why can't someone have an opinion without 'standing'?

Williams is a classic example!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?[/p][/quote]That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful[/p][/quote]Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on[/p][/quote]Why can't someone have an opinion without 'standing'? Williams is a classic example! IronLady2010
  • Score: 4

3:09pm Sun 24 Aug 14

forest hump says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
forest hump wrote:
skeptik wrote:
If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?
That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful
Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on
My point is: Most stand for attention seeking or reasons of self interest. My experience of my local councillors is not good. Totally inept. Not qualified to make informed decisions and socialise in "cliques". I have dealt with these people in a professional perspective and their performance was nothing short of shameful.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?[/p][/quote]That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful[/p][/quote]Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on[/p][/quote]My point is: Most stand for attention seeking or reasons of self interest. My experience of my local councillors is not good. Totally inept. Not qualified to make informed decisions and socialise in "cliques". I have dealt with these people in a professional perspective and their performance was nothing short of shameful. forest hump
  • Score: -2

3:49pm Sun 24 Aug 14

IronLady2010 says...

southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
Southampton Itchen Constituency, will be where it's all at, its a 5 horse race, unlike Southampton Test Constituency where Whitehead will retain his seat in Government, the Itchen Constituency is a totally different ball game.
You have Labour who bought a yes woman and will fall in-line with head office, Bring in some one from the outside as never really work to well for Labour here in Southampton, except for the odd one or two, Labour will lose votes because of this.
Then you have the Torys, Royston done him self to mach damage while leader of the Southampton Council he tried to force his ditatorship onto the workers and did not go down well, even with the Union's Tory Voters and theres a number of them out there, he will lose these votes, The Torys on the Eastern side of the City also have to contend with UKIP who will take a fair numbers of votes away from the Tory's.
UKIP done well in the by-election increasing there votes down the outside of the City on the eastern side, and they have not stop working hard since they can smell the blood of the Tory Voter's anger and they want there vote's, UKIP members and supporters have been told to hit every UK blogg going and they have been doing so, while all other partys have been ignoring the power of the bloggs, it might be only the very small number that get onto the blogg's to debate, But UKIP as realise that you only need to turn one person to make effect as they will talk to other's and so-forth.
The Green Party could make large gains here but it will mean a lot of hard work a lot more than they are doing now and the same applies to TUSC if they want votes they need to get out there and work hard. there are loads of people who want to change but do not know what the smaller partys are about yet.
As for the Lib/Dems well you can discount them they kick them selfs up the butt by teaming up with the Tory's.
On the whole though out the UK its going to be a Labour party controled government, so expect no change they will not undo what the Tory's as messed up they will just carry on with the Thatcherite policy.
Peter you have analysed well but there may be one minor flaw about Greens doing well. As we don't know if they'd be contesting Itchen, or do a deal with NuLabour, as they did once with Denham when he first won against Chris Chope.

Even if Greens contest it will also depend on who is their candidate, if he/she is like useless former Labour councillor Angela Mowle whom they have selected in Southampton Test then nobody with bit of working brain should be considering opting for Greens. As you know they haven't got many like Caroline Lucas amongst their membership, will they be able to find a decent candidate?
Agreed but I think you find that they will stand and it will be a he. Your right there are a few good Greens, but what on the back of my mine is Brighton and Bristol, where in Brighton the Greens did not present any form of alternative budget even if it would of got voted out but applied the Government cutts and the case of that old lady who they took to court to get her evicted from her home, in Bristol they voted for cutts, So in reality they are showing them selfs to be the same as the Government.
But I do feel that they could do well if only they got theres selfs out and work hard to gain those votes
Southy,

No matter who gets locally elected the cuts will continue, you can't simply say we won't make cuts unless you're going to fund it out of your own pocket, which you could add a few pounds due to you buying your home under the Thatcher days.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Southampton Itchen Constituency, will be where it's all at, its a 5 horse race, unlike Southampton Test Constituency where Whitehead will retain his seat in Government, the Itchen Constituency is a totally different ball game. You have Labour who bought a yes woman and will fall in-line with head office, Bring in some one from the outside as never really work to well for Labour here in Southampton, except for the odd one or two, Labour will lose votes because of this. Then you have the Torys, Royston done him self to mach damage while leader of the Southampton Council he tried to force his ditatorship onto the workers and did not go down well, even with the Union's Tory Voters and theres a number of them out there, he will lose these votes, The Torys on the Eastern side of the City also have to contend with UKIP who will take a fair numbers of votes away from the Tory's. UKIP done well in the by-election increasing there votes down the outside of the City on the eastern side, and they have not stop working hard since they can smell the blood of the Tory Voter's anger and they want there vote's, UKIP members and supporters have been told to hit every UK blogg going and they have been doing so, while all other partys have been ignoring the power of the bloggs, it might be only the very small number that get onto the blogg's to debate, But UKIP as realise that you only need to turn one person to make effect as they will talk to other's and so-forth. The Green Party could make large gains here but it will mean a lot of hard work a lot more than they are doing now and the same applies to TUSC if they want votes they need to get out there and work hard. there are loads of people who want to change but do not know what the smaller partys are about yet. As for the Lib/Dems well you can discount them they kick them selfs up the butt by teaming up with the Tory's. On the whole though out the UK its going to be a Labour party controled government, so expect no change they will not undo what the Tory's as messed up they will just carry on with the Thatcherite policy.[/p][/quote]Peter you have analysed well but there may be one minor flaw about Greens doing well. As we don't know if they'd be contesting Itchen, or do a deal with NuLabour, as they did once with Denham when he first won against Chris Chope. Even if Greens contest it will also depend on who is their candidate, if he/she is like useless former Labour councillor Angela Mowle whom they have selected in Southampton Test then nobody with bit of working brain should be considering opting for Greens. As you know they haven't got many like Caroline Lucas amongst their membership, will they be able to find a decent candidate?[/p][/quote]Agreed but I think you find that they will stand and it will be a he. Your right there are a few good Greens, but what on the back of my mine is Brighton and Bristol, where in Brighton the Greens did not present any form of alternative budget even if it would of got voted out but applied the Government cutts and the case of that old lady who they took to court to get her evicted from her home, in Bristol they voted for cutts, So in reality they are showing them selfs to be the same as the Government. But I do feel that they could do well if only they got theres selfs out and work hard to gain those votes[/p][/quote]Southy, No matter who gets locally elected the cuts will continue, you can't simply say we won't make cuts unless you're going to fund it out of your own pocket, which you could add a few pounds due to you buying your home under the Thatcher days. IronLady2010
  • Score: 2

4:29pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Linesman says...

Donald2000 wrote:
What does anyone think that Denham has done for us. These Labour people are the laziest people on God's green earth. I have pointed out to the Labour councillors in St Mary's (Bargate) ward things that need doing; the filthy premises and leaning buildings that need demolishing. There has been no response to my enquiries. Yet, in my own ward, Royston always seems to be dealing with constituent queries and dealing with them well.

He is obtainable and he has a presence within the local community; unlike Denham who spends a lot of time in London and has a property there that we (taxpayers) purchased for him.

I think Royston will get in. He has proved himself worthy as an upstanding citizen. Were it not for him others might have lost their lives on that submarine. I think you know what you are getting with Royston. I would not normally vote Tory but I would recommend voting for him. I think he will get things done.
I wonder whether you raised these concerns with 'always obtainable' Royston Smith when he was Leader of the City Council, or have you only noticed this during the past few months since the electorate rejected the Tories?

Royston Smith's administration left a lot of 'clearing up' to be done by the current administration, and left it with more bills to pay and less money to pay them with.
[quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: What does anyone think that Denham has done for us. These Labour people are the laziest people on God's green earth. I have pointed out to the Labour councillors in St Mary's (Bargate) ward things that need doing; the filthy premises and leaning buildings that need demolishing. There has been no response to my enquiries. Yet, in my own ward, Royston always seems to be dealing with constituent queries and dealing with them well. He is obtainable and he has a presence within the local community; unlike Denham who spends a lot of time in London and has a property there that we (taxpayers) purchased for him. I think Royston will get in. He has proved himself worthy as an upstanding citizen. Were it not for him others might have lost their lives on that submarine. I think you know what you are getting with Royston. I would not normally vote Tory but I would recommend voting for him. I think he will get things done.[/p][/quote]I wonder whether you raised these concerns with 'always obtainable' Royston Smith when he was Leader of the City Council, or have you only noticed this during the past few months since the electorate rejected the Tories? Royston Smith's administration left a lot of 'clearing up' to be done by the current administration, and left it with more bills to pay and less money to pay them with. Linesman
  • Score: 1

4:41pm Sun 24 Aug 14

IronLady2010 says...

Linesman wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
What does anyone think that Denham has done for us. These Labour people are the laziest people on God's green earth. I have pointed out to the Labour councillors in St Mary's (Bargate) ward things that need doing; the filthy premises and leaning buildings that need demolishing. There has been no response to my enquiries. Yet, in my own ward, Royston always seems to be dealing with constituent queries and dealing with them well.

He is obtainable and he has a presence within the local community; unlike Denham who spends a lot of time in London and has a property there that we (taxpayers) purchased for him.

I think Royston will get in. He has proved himself worthy as an upstanding citizen. Were it not for him others might have lost their lives on that submarine. I think you know what you are getting with Royston. I would not normally vote Tory but I would recommend voting for him. I think he will get things done.
I wonder whether you raised these concerns with 'always obtainable' Royston Smith when he was Leader of the City Council, or have you only noticed this during the past few months since the electorate rejected the Tories?

Royston Smith's administration left a lot of 'clearing up' to be done by the current administration, and left it with more bills to pay and less money to pay them with.
Clearing up? I guess you mean restoring pay etc, which the City can't afford?

Have the current administration acted in the best interests of the City residents or the workers who chose to work for us?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: What does anyone think that Denham has done for us. These Labour people are the laziest people on God's green earth. I have pointed out to the Labour councillors in St Mary's (Bargate) ward things that need doing; the filthy premises and leaning buildings that need demolishing. There has been no response to my enquiries. Yet, in my own ward, Royston always seems to be dealing with constituent queries and dealing with them well. He is obtainable and he has a presence within the local community; unlike Denham who spends a lot of time in London and has a property there that we (taxpayers) purchased for him. I think Royston will get in. He has proved himself worthy as an upstanding citizen. Were it not for him others might have lost their lives on that submarine. I think you know what you are getting with Royston. I would not normally vote Tory but I would recommend voting for him. I think he will get things done.[/p][/quote]I wonder whether you raised these concerns with 'always obtainable' Royston Smith when he was Leader of the City Council, or have you only noticed this during the past few months since the electorate rejected the Tories? Royston Smith's administration left a lot of 'clearing up' to be done by the current administration, and left it with more bills to pay and less money to pay them with.[/p][/quote]Clearing up? I guess you mean restoring pay etc, which the City can't afford? Have the current administration acted in the best interests of the City residents or the workers who chose to work for us? IronLady2010
  • Score: 2

5:45pm Sun 24 Aug 14

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
What does anyone think that Denham has done for us. These Labour people are the laziest people on God's green earth. I have pointed out to the Labour councillors in St Mary's (Bargate) ward things that need doing; the filthy premises and leaning buildings that need demolishing. There has been no response to my enquiries. Yet, in my own ward, Royston always seems to be dealing with constituent queries and dealing with them well.

He is obtainable and he has a presence within the local community; unlike Denham who spends a lot of time in London and has a property there that we (taxpayers) purchased for him.

I think Royston will get in. He has proved himself worthy as an upstanding citizen. Were it not for him others might have lost their lives on that submarine. I think you know what you are getting with Royston. I would not normally vote Tory but I would recommend voting for him. I think he will get things done.
I wonder whether you raised these concerns with 'always obtainable' Royston Smith when he was Leader of the City Council, or have you only noticed this during the past few months since the electorate rejected the Tories?

Royston Smith's administration left a lot of 'clearing up' to be done by the current administration, and left it with more bills to pay and less money to pay them with.
very true Lines
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: What does anyone think that Denham has done for us. These Labour people are the laziest people on God's green earth. I have pointed out to the Labour councillors in St Mary's (Bargate) ward things that need doing; the filthy premises and leaning buildings that need demolishing. There has been no response to my enquiries. Yet, in my own ward, Royston always seems to be dealing with constituent queries and dealing with them well. He is obtainable and he has a presence within the local community; unlike Denham who spends a lot of time in London and has a property there that we (taxpayers) purchased for him. I think Royston will get in. He has proved himself worthy as an upstanding citizen. Were it not for him others might have lost their lives on that submarine. I think you know what you are getting with Royston. I would not normally vote Tory but I would recommend voting for him. I think he will get things done.[/p][/quote]I wonder whether you raised these concerns with 'always obtainable' Royston Smith when he was Leader of the City Council, or have you only noticed this during the past few months since the electorate rejected the Tories? Royston Smith's administration left a lot of 'clearing up' to be done by the current administration, and left it with more bills to pay and less money to pay them with.[/p][/quote]very true Lines southy
  • Score: 1

5:49pm Sun 24 Aug 14

IronLady2010 says...

southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
What does anyone think that Denham has done for us. These Labour people are the laziest people on God's green earth. I have pointed out to the Labour councillors in St Mary's (Bargate) ward things that need doing; the filthy premises and leaning buildings that need demolishing. There has been no response to my enquiries. Yet, in my own ward, Royston always seems to be dealing with constituent queries and dealing with them well.

He is obtainable and he has a presence within the local community; unlike Denham who spends a lot of time in London and has a property there that we (taxpayers) purchased for him.

I think Royston will get in. He has proved himself worthy as an upstanding citizen. Were it not for him others might have lost their lives on that submarine. I think you know what you are getting with Royston. I would not normally vote Tory but I would recommend voting for him. I think he will get things done.
I wonder whether you raised these concerns with 'always obtainable' Royston Smith when he was Leader of the City Council, or have you only noticed this during the past few months since the electorate rejected the Tories?

Royston Smith's administration left a lot of 'clearing up' to be done by the current administration, and left it with more bills to pay and less money to pay them with.
very true Lines
Southy just killed your comment!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: What does anyone think that Denham has done for us. These Labour people are the laziest people on God's green earth. I have pointed out to the Labour councillors in St Mary's (Bargate) ward things that need doing; the filthy premises and leaning buildings that need demolishing. There has been no response to my enquiries. Yet, in my own ward, Royston always seems to be dealing with constituent queries and dealing with them well. He is obtainable and he has a presence within the local community; unlike Denham who spends a lot of time in London and has a property there that we (taxpayers) purchased for him. I think Royston will get in. He has proved himself worthy as an upstanding citizen. Were it not for him others might have lost their lives on that submarine. I think you know what you are getting with Royston. I would not normally vote Tory but I would recommend voting for him. I think he will get things done.[/p][/quote]I wonder whether you raised these concerns with 'always obtainable' Royston Smith when he was Leader of the City Council, or have you only noticed this during the past few months since the electorate rejected the Tories? Royston Smith's administration left a lot of 'clearing up' to be done by the current administration, and left it with more bills to pay and less money to pay them with.[/p][/quote]very true Lines[/p][/quote]Southy just killed your comment! IronLady2010
  • Score: 1

6:00pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Lone Ranger. says...

forest hump wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
forest hump wrote:
skeptik wrote:
If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?
That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful
Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on
My point is: Most stand for attention seeking or reasons of self interest. My experience of my local councillors is not good. Totally inept. Not qualified to make informed decisions and socialise in "cliques". I have dealt with these people in a professional perspective and their performance was nothing short of shameful.
Then i suggest that you have a very been unfortunate in the ones that you have dealt with.
.
A fair amount of my working time is taken up with these people and i can honestly say that my experiences are not refelective of yours ....
.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?[/p][/quote]That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful[/p][/quote]Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on[/p][/quote]My point is: Most stand for attention seeking or reasons of self interest. My experience of my local councillors is not good. Totally inept. Not qualified to make informed decisions and socialise in "cliques". I have dealt with these people in a professional perspective and their performance was nothing short of shameful.[/p][/quote]Then i suggest that you have a very been unfortunate in the ones that you have dealt with. . A fair amount of my working time is taken up with these people and i can honestly say that my experiences are not refelective of yours .... . Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 2

6:05pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Lone Ranger. says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
forest hump wrote:
skeptik wrote:
If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?
That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful
Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on
Why can't someone have an opinion without 'standing'?

Williams is a classic example!
Why is Williams a classic example ....... Do you know him ? .....
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?[/p][/quote]That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful[/p][/quote]Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on[/p][/quote]Why can't someone have an opinion without 'standing'? Williams is a classic example![/p][/quote]Why is Williams a classic example ....... Do you know him ? ..... Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 0

6:06pm Sun 24 Aug 14

IronLady2010 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
forest hump wrote:
skeptik wrote:
If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?
That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful
Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on
My point is: Most stand for attention seeking or reasons of self interest. My experience of my local councillors is not good. Totally inept. Not qualified to make informed decisions and socialise in "cliques". I have dealt with these people in a professional perspective and their performance was nothing short of shameful.
Then i suggest that you have a very been unfortunate in the ones that you have dealt with.
.
A fair amount of my working time is taken up with these people and i can honestly say that my experiences are not refelective of yours ....
.
That's in your opinion?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?[/p][/quote]That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful[/p][/quote]Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on[/p][/quote]My point is: Most stand for attention seeking or reasons of self interest. My experience of my local councillors is not good. Totally inept. Not qualified to make informed decisions and socialise in "cliques". I have dealt with these people in a professional perspective and their performance was nothing short of shameful.[/p][/quote]Then i suggest that you have a very been unfortunate in the ones that you have dealt with. . A fair amount of my working time is taken up with these people and i can honestly say that my experiences are not refelective of yours .... .[/p][/quote]That's in your opinion? IronLady2010
  • Score: -2

6:08pm Sun 24 Aug 14

IronLady2010 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
forest hump wrote:
skeptik wrote:
If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?
That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful
Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on
Why can't someone have an opinion without 'standing'?

Williams is a classic example!
Why is Williams a classic example ....... Do you know him ? .....
Thankfully not, but he got the boot!

He was a Gentleman who lied to the electorate, much like the rest of Labour. x
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?[/p][/quote]That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful[/p][/quote]Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on[/p][/quote]Why can't someone have an opinion without 'standing'? Williams is a classic example![/p][/quote]Why is Williams a classic example ....... Do you know him ? .....[/p][/quote]Thankfully not, but he got the boot! He was a Gentleman who lied to the electorate, much like the rest of Labour. x IronLady2010
  • Score: 2

6:40pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
forest hump wrote:
skeptik wrote:
If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?
That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful
Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on
Why can't someone have an opinion without 'standing'?

Williams is a classic example!
Why is Williams a classic example ....... Do you know him ? .....
Thankfully not, but he got the boot!

He was a Gentleman who lied to the electorate, much like the rest of Labour. x
You may have been sipping too much champagne all day to get confused between 'Labour' and Thatcherised 'New Labour'!!!

Williams was from 'NuLabour' mob, which is virtually unofficial right wing of your beloved CON-servative Party.

I notice in another of your comment you have expressed concern about speed of responses to your emails by John Denham. I find that surprising because although there has never been much politically common between me and John, I have always found him to be very helpful and efficient in dealing with people's cases I referred to him as their local MP.
In fairness on that matter even Tory Chris Chope and Ex-Labour Bob Mitchell who were MPs for Itchen before John were also very good. And Dr. Horace King of real old Labour who later became Lord Maybray King was exceptionally brilliant.

Have a nice evening
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?[/p][/quote]That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful[/p][/quote]Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on[/p][/quote]Why can't someone have an opinion without 'standing'? Williams is a classic example![/p][/quote]Why is Williams a classic example ....... Do you know him ? .....[/p][/quote]Thankfully not, but he got the boot! He was a Gentleman who lied to the electorate, much like the rest of Labour. x[/p][/quote]You may have been sipping too much champagne all day to get confused between 'Labour' and Thatcherised 'New Labour'!!! Williams was from 'NuLabour' mob, which is virtually unofficial right wing of your beloved CON-servative Party. I notice in another of your comment you have expressed concern about speed of responses to your emails by John Denham. I find that surprising because although there has never been much politically common between me and John, I have always found him to be very helpful and efficient in dealing with people's cases I referred to him as their local MP. In fairness on that matter even Tory Chris Chope and Ex-Labour Bob Mitchell who were MPs for Itchen before John were also very good. And Dr. Horace King of real old Labour who later became Lord Maybray King was exceptionally brilliant. Have a nice evening Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 2

8:02pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Lone Ranger. says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
forest hump wrote:
skeptik wrote:
If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?
That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful
Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on
Why can't someone have an opinion without 'standing'?

Williams is a classic example!
Why is Williams a classic example ....... Do you know him ? .....
Thankfully not, but he got the boot!

He was a Gentleman who lied to the electorate, much like the rest of Labour. x
Oh dear thats a bit strong from an aledged "floating voter" !!
.
You obviously feel that your Tory party are beyond reproach ....... Perhaps you should read these posts more often for the truth rather than using your imagination ....... x !
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?[/p][/quote]That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful[/p][/quote]Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on[/p][/quote]Why can't someone have an opinion without 'standing'? Williams is a classic example![/p][/quote]Why is Williams a classic example ....... Do you know him ? .....[/p][/quote]Thankfully not, but he got the boot! He was a Gentleman who lied to the electorate, much like the rest of Labour. x[/p][/quote]Oh dear thats a bit strong from an aledged "floating voter" !! . You obviously feel that your Tory party are beyond reproach ....... Perhaps you should read these posts more often for the truth rather than using your imagination ....... x ! Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 4

8:03pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Lone Ranger. says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
forest hump wrote:
skeptik wrote:
If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?
That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful
Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on
My point is: Most stand for attention seeking or reasons of self interest. My experience of my local councillors is not good. Totally inept. Not qualified to make informed decisions and socialise in "cliques". I have dealt with these people in a professional perspective and their performance was nothing short of shameful.
Then i suggest that you have a very been unfortunate in the ones that you have dealt with.
.
A fair amount of my working time is taken up with these people and i can honestly say that my experiences are not refelective of yours ....
.
That's in your opinion?
Yes it is and surprisingly one or were Tories .......
.
As we said before its great to have an opinion ...... even if yours is wrong
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?[/p][/quote]That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful[/p][/quote]Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on[/p][/quote]My point is: Most stand for attention seeking or reasons of self interest. My experience of my local councillors is not good. Totally inept. Not qualified to make informed decisions and socialise in "cliques". I have dealt with these people in a professional perspective and their performance was nothing short of shameful.[/p][/quote]Then i suggest that you have a very been unfortunate in the ones that you have dealt with. . A fair amount of my working time is taken up with these people and i can honestly say that my experiences are not refelective of yours .... .[/p][/quote]That's in your opinion?[/p][/quote]Yes it is and surprisingly one or were Tories ....... . As we said before its great to have an opinion ...... even if yours is wrong Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -1

10:55pm Sun 24 Aug 14

southy says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
What does anyone think that Denham has done for us. These Labour people are the laziest people on God's green earth. I have pointed out to the Labour councillors in St Mary's (Bargate) ward things that need doing; the filthy premises and leaning buildings that need demolishing. There has been no response to my enquiries. Yet, in my own ward, Royston always seems to be dealing with constituent queries and dealing with them well.

He is obtainable and he has a presence within the local community; unlike Denham who spends a lot of time in London and has a property there that we (taxpayers) purchased for him.

I think Royston will get in. He has proved himself worthy as an upstanding citizen. Were it not for him others might have lost their lives on that submarine. I think you know what you are getting with Royston. I would not normally vote Tory but I would recommend voting for him. I think he will get things done.
I wonder whether you raised these concerns with 'always obtainable' Royston Smith when he was Leader of the City Council, or have you only noticed this during the past few months since the electorate rejected the Tories?

Royston Smith's administration left a lot of 'clearing up' to be done by the current administration, and left it with more bills to pay and less money to pay them with.
very true Lines
Southy just killed your comment!
It done no such thing, its just wishful thinking on your part, I just agreed with Lines about the debt that the torys ran up and left fpr those next in office.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: What does anyone think that Denham has done for us. These Labour people are the laziest people on God's green earth. I have pointed out to the Labour councillors in St Mary's (Bargate) ward things that need doing; the filthy premises and leaning buildings that need demolishing. There has been no response to my enquiries. Yet, in my own ward, Royston always seems to be dealing with constituent queries and dealing with them well. He is obtainable and he has a presence within the local community; unlike Denham who spends a lot of time in London and has a property there that we (taxpayers) purchased for him. I think Royston will get in. He has proved himself worthy as an upstanding citizen. Were it not for him others might have lost their lives on that submarine. I think you know what you are getting with Royston. I would not normally vote Tory but I would recommend voting for him. I think he will get things done.[/p][/quote]I wonder whether you raised these concerns with 'always obtainable' Royston Smith when he was Leader of the City Council, or have you only noticed this during the past few months since the electorate rejected the Tories? Royston Smith's administration left a lot of 'clearing up' to be done by the current administration, and left it with more bills to pay and less money to pay them with.[/p][/quote]very true Lines[/p][/quote]Southy just killed your comment![/p][/quote]It done no such thing, its just wishful thinking on your part, I just agreed with Lines about the debt that the torys ran up and left fpr those next in office. southy
  • Score: -1

10:31am Mon 25 Aug 14

forest hump says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
forest hump wrote:
skeptik wrote:
If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?
That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful
Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on
My point is: Most stand for attention seeking or reasons of self interest. My experience of my local councillors is not good. Totally inept. Not qualified to make informed decisions and socialise in "cliques". I have dealt with these people in a professional perspective and their performance was nothing short of shameful.
Then i suggest that you have a very been unfortunate in the ones that you have dealt with.
.
A fair amount of my working time is taken up with these people and i can honestly say that my experiences are not refelective of yours ....
.
Fair comment, my local councillors (who out of respect I will not name) are unprofessional, self-centered and totally inept. They have achieved their positions by clever self promotion but are functionally useless. I guess there are some good ones out there but I do question their motives. I honestly believe people who are elected into positions of power should at least have some kind of relevant background or CV.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?[/p][/quote]That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful[/p][/quote]Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on[/p][/quote]My point is: Most stand for attention seeking or reasons of self interest. My experience of my local councillors is not good. Totally inept. Not qualified to make informed decisions and socialise in "cliques". I have dealt with these people in a professional perspective and their performance was nothing short of shameful.[/p][/quote]Then i suggest that you have a very been unfortunate in the ones that you have dealt with. . A fair amount of my working time is taken up with these people and i can honestly say that my experiences are not refelective of yours .... .[/p][/quote]Fair comment, my local councillors (who out of respect I will not name) are unprofessional, self-centered and totally inept. They have achieved their positions by clever self promotion but are functionally useless. I guess there are some good ones out there but I do question their motives. I honestly believe people who are elected into positions of power should at least have some kind of relevant background or CV. forest hump
  • Score: 1

11:56am Mon 25 Aug 14

IronLady2010 says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
forest hump wrote:
skeptik wrote:
If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?
That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful
Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on
Why can't someone have an opinion without 'standing'?

Williams is a classic example!
Why is Williams a classic example ....... Do you know him ? .....
Thankfully not, but he got the boot!

He was a Gentleman who lied to the electorate, much like the rest of Labour. x
You may have been sipping too much champagne all day to get confused between 'Labour' and Thatcherised 'New Labour'!!!

Williams was from 'NuLabour' mob, which is virtually unofficial right wing of your beloved CON-servative Party.

I notice in another of your comment you have expressed concern about speed of responses to your emails by John Denham. I find that surprising because although there has never been much politically common between me and John, I have always found him to be very helpful and efficient in dealing with people's cases I referred to him as their local MP.
In fairness on that matter even Tory Chris Chope and Ex-Labour Bob Mitchell who were MPs for Itchen before John were also very good. And Dr. Horace King of real old Labour who later became Lord Maybray King was exceptionally brilliant.

Have a nice evening
Hi Paramjit,
Regardless of Labour or NuLabour, I can only judge the party as it is today.
I've seen the mess this current administration has made and so my opinions are not to vote Labour. Now, in the future that could change but it will take a lot to rebuild that trust.

On a local level since Labour seized power, we have seen numerous people either leave or jump ship, that hardly gives the electorate any faith in the administration.

On a national level you have Millie who is the worst thing to happen to the Labour party in many years.

I will continue to vote for the party who I believe can deliver, I read the Manifesto and look at wether it can be achieved. Many of us suggested that Labours Manifesto couldn't be achieved and we were correct.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?[/p][/quote]That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful[/p][/quote]Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on[/p][/quote]Why can't someone have an opinion without 'standing'? Williams is a classic example![/p][/quote]Why is Williams a classic example ....... Do you know him ? .....[/p][/quote]Thankfully not, but he got the boot! He was a Gentleman who lied to the electorate, much like the rest of Labour. x[/p][/quote]You may have been sipping too much champagne all day to get confused between 'Labour' and Thatcherised 'New Labour'!!! Williams was from 'NuLabour' mob, which is virtually unofficial right wing of your beloved CON-servative Party. I notice in another of your comment you have expressed concern about speed of responses to your emails by John Denham. I find that surprising because although there has never been much politically common between me and John, I have always found him to be very helpful and efficient in dealing with people's cases I referred to him as their local MP. In fairness on that matter even Tory Chris Chope and Ex-Labour Bob Mitchell who were MPs for Itchen before John were also very good. And Dr. Horace King of real old Labour who later became Lord Maybray King was exceptionally brilliant. Have a nice evening[/p][/quote]Hi Paramjit, Regardless of Labour or NuLabour, I can only judge the party as it is today. I've seen the mess this current administration has made and so my opinions are not to vote Labour. Now, in the future that could change but it will take a lot to rebuild that trust. On a local level since Labour seized power, we have seen numerous people either leave or jump ship, that hardly gives the electorate any faith in the administration. On a national level you have Millie who is the worst thing to happen to the Labour party in many years. I will continue to vote for the party who I believe can deliver, I read the Manifesto and look at wether it can be achieved. Many of us suggested that Labours Manifesto couldn't be achieved and we were correct. IronLady2010
  • Score: 2

2:20pm Mon 25 Aug 14

southy says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
forest hump wrote:
skeptik wrote:
If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?
That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful
Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on
Why can't someone have an opinion without 'standing'?

Williams is a classic example!
Why is Williams a classic example ....... Do you know him ? .....
Thankfully not, but he got the boot!

He was a Gentleman who lied to the electorate, much like the rest of Labour. x
You may have been sipping too much champagne all day to get confused between 'Labour' and Thatcherised 'New Labour'!!!

Williams was from 'NuLabour' mob, which is virtually unofficial right wing of your beloved CON-servative Party.

I notice in another of your comment you have expressed concern about speed of responses to your emails by John Denham. I find that surprising because although there has never been much politically common between me and John, I have always found him to be very helpful and efficient in dealing with people's cases I referred to him as their local MP.
In fairness on that matter even Tory Chris Chope and Ex-Labour Bob Mitchell who were MPs for Itchen before John were also very good. And Dr. Horace King of real old Labour who later became Lord Maybray King was exceptionally brilliant.

Have a nice evening
Hi Paramjit,
Regardless of Labour or NuLabour, I can only judge the party as it is today.
I've seen the mess this current administration has made and so my opinions are not to vote Labour. Now, in the future that could change but it will take a lot to rebuild that trust.

On a local level since Labour seized power, we have seen numerous people either leave or jump ship, that hardly gives the electorate any faith in the administration.

On a national level you have Millie who is the worst thing to happen to the Labour party in many years.

I will continue to vote for the party who I believe can deliver, I read the Manifesto and look at wether it can be achieved. Many of us suggested that Labours Manifesto couldn't be achieved and we were correct.
Then how come you think the Torys manifest can be achived Tory's and Labour with others partys manifest are basically the same with very little difference, So if you think Nu-Labour manifest can not be achived then you are also saying the same about Tory's, Lib/Dems, UKIP and BNP and all other right wing policy's can not be achived.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?[/p][/quote]That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful[/p][/quote]Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on[/p][/quote]Why can't someone have an opinion without 'standing'? Williams is a classic example![/p][/quote]Why is Williams a classic example ....... Do you know him ? .....[/p][/quote]Thankfully not, but he got the boot! He was a Gentleman who lied to the electorate, much like the rest of Labour. x[/p][/quote]You may have been sipping too much champagne all day to get confused between 'Labour' and Thatcherised 'New Labour'!!! Williams was from 'NuLabour' mob, which is virtually unofficial right wing of your beloved CON-servative Party. I notice in another of your comment you have expressed concern about speed of responses to your emails by John Denham. I find that surprising because although there has never been much politically common between me and John, I have always found him to be very helpful and efficient in dealing with people's cases I referred to him as their local MP. In fairness on that matter even Tory Chris Chope and Ex-Labour Bob Mitchell who were MPs for Itchen before John were also very good. And Dr. Horace King of real old Labour who later became Lord Maybray King was exceptionally brilliant. Have a nice evening[/p][/quote]Hi Paramjit, Regardless of Labour or NuLabour, I can only judge the party as it is today. I've seen the mess this current administration has made and so my opinions are not to vote Labour. Now, in the future that could change but it will take a lot to rebuild that trust. On a local level since Labour seized power, we have seen numerous people either leave or jump ship, that hardly gives the electorate any faith in the administration. On a national level you have Millie who is the worst thing to happen to the Labour party in many years. I will continue to vote for the party who I believe can deliver, I read the Manifesto and look at wether it can be achieved. Many of us suggested that Labours Manifesto couldn't be achieved and we were correct.[/p][/quote]Then how come you think the Torys manifest can be achived Tory's and Labour with others partys manifest are basically the same with very little difference, So if you think Nu-Labour manifest can not be achived then you are also saying the same about Tory's, Lib/Dems, UKIP and BNP and all other right wing policy's can not be achived. southy
  • Score: -1

2:55pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Lone Ranger. says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
forest hump wrote:
skeptik wrote:
If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?
That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful
Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on
Why can't someone have an opinion without 'standing'?

Williams is a classic example!
Why is Williams a classic example ....... Do you know him ? .....
Thankfully not, but he got the boot!

He was a Gentleman who lied to the electorate, much like the rest of Labour. x
You may have been sipping too much champagne all day to get confused between 'Labour' and Thatcherised 'New Labour'!!!

Williams was from 'NuLabour' mob, which is virtually unofficial right wing of your beloved CON-servative Party.

I notice in another of your comment you have expressed concern about speed of responses to your emails by John Denham. I find that surprising because although there has never been much politically common between me and John, I have always found him to be very helpful and efficient in dealing with people's cases I referred to him as their local MP.
In fairness on that matter even Tory Chris Chope and Ex-Labour Bob Mitchell who were MPs for Itchen before John were also very good. And Dr. Horace King of real old Labour who later became Lord Maybray King was exceptionally brilliant.

Have a nice evening
Hi Paramjit,
Regardless of Labour or NuLabour, I can only judge the party as it is today.
I've seen the mess this current administration has made and so my opinions are not to vote Labour. Now, in the future that could change but it will take a lot to rebuild that trust.

On a local level since Labour seized power, we have seen numerous people either leave or jump ship, that hardly gives the electorate any faith in the administration.

On a national level you have Millie who is the worst thing to happen to the Labour party in many years.

I will continue to vote for the party who I believe can deliver, I read the Manifesto and look at wether it can be achieved. Many of us suggested that Labours Manifesto couldn't be achieved and we were correct.
....... and you are totally oblivious to the poor performance of the Tories both Locally and Nationally ....... And you said you were undecided who to vote for.
.
It strikes me you know perfectly well where you will put your cross ...... the only problem i see is will you be able to find the ballot papers with those BIG blinkers that you wear !!!
.
None so blind as those that dont want to see ....
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?[/p][/quote]That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful[/p][/quote]Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on[/p][/quote]Why can't someone have an opinion without 'standing'? Williams is a classic example![/p][/quote]Why is Williams a classic example ....... Do you know him ? .....[/p][/quote]Thankfully not, but he got the boot! He was a Gentleman who lied to the electorate, much like the rest of Labour. x[/p][/quote]You may have been sipping too much champagne all day to get confused between 'Labour' and Thatcherised 'New Labour'!!! Williams was from 'NuLabour' mob, which is virtually unofficial right wing of your beloved CON-servative Party. I notice in another of your comment you have expressed concern about speed of responses to your emails by John Denham. I find that surprising because although there has never been much politically common between me and John, I have always found him to be very helpful and efficient in dealing with people's cases I referred to him as their local MP. In fairness on that matter even Tory Chris Chope and Ex-Labour Bob Mitchell who were MPs for Itchen before John were also very good. And Dr. Horace King of real old Labour who later became Lord Maybray King was exceptionally brilliant. Have a nice evening[/p][/quote]Hi Paramjit, Regardless of Labour or NuLabour, I can only judge the party as it is today. I've seen the mess this current administration has made and so my opinions are not to vote Labour. Now, in the future that could change but it will take a lot to rebuild that trust. On a local level since Labour seized power, we have seen numerous people either leave or jump ship, that hardly gives the electorate any faith in the administration. On a national level you have Millie who is the worst thing to happen to the Labour party in many years. I will continue to vote for the party who I believe can deliver, I read the Manifesto and look at wether it can be achieved. Many of us suggested that Labours Manifesto couldn't be achieved and we were correct.[/p][/quote]....... and you are totally oblivious to the poor performance of the Tories both Locally and Nationally ....... And you said you were undecided who to vote for. . It strikes me you know perfectly well where you will put your cross ...... the only problem i see is will you be able to find the ballot papers with those BIG blinkers that you wear !!! . None so blind as those that dont want to see .... Lone Ranger.
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10:41am Tue 26 Aug 14

aldermoorboy says...

Royston Labour are worried and they should be you would be a great MP, hope you win.
Say neither Labour or Tory win, who will be living in Southampton after the election, my money is on Royston.
Royston Labour are worried and they should be you would be a great MP, hope you win. Say neither Labour or Tory win, who will be living in Southampton after the election, my money is on Royston. aldermoorboy
  • Score: 1

6:58pm Thu 18 Sep 14

nelson1 says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
forest hump wrote:
skeptik wrote:
If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?
That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful
Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on
Why can't someone have an opinion without 'standing'?

Williams is a classic example!
Do not worry Iron Lady, Lone Ranger has got the hump because he lost his horse. He's a constipated tardigrade straining on the toilet of ignorance.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?[/p][/quote]That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful[/p][/quote]Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on[/p][/quote]Why can't someone have an opinion without 'standing'? Williams is a classic example![/p][/quote]Do not worry Iron Lady, Lone Ranger has got the hump because he lost his horse. He's a constipated tardigrade straining on the toilet of ignorance. nelson1
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7:00pm Thu 18 Sep 14

nelson1 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
forest hump wrote:
skeptik wrote:
If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?
That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful
Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on
Why can't someone have an opinion without 'standing'?

Williams is a classic example!
Why is Williams a classic example ....... Do you know him ? .....
Thankfully not, but he got the boot!

He was a Gentleman who lied to the electorate, much like the rest of Labour. x
You may have been sipping too much champagne all day to get confused between 'Labour' and Thatcherised 'New Labour'!!!

Williams was from 'NuLabour' mob, which is virtually unofficial right wing of your beloved CON-servative Party.

I notice in another of your comment you have expressed concern about speed of responses to your emails by John Denham. I find that surprising because although there has never been much politically common between me and John, I have always found him to be very helpful and efficient in dealing with people's cases I referred to him as their local MP.
In fairness on that matter even Tory Chris Chope and Ex-Labour Bob Mitchell who were MPs for Itchen before John were also very good. And Dr. Horace King of real old Labour who later became Lord Maybray King was exceptionally brilliant.

Have a nice evening
Hi Paramjit,
Regardless of Labour or NuLabour, I can only judge the party as it is today.
I've seen the mess this current administration has made and so my opinions are not to vote Labour. Now, in the future that could change but it will take a lot to rebuild that trust.

On a local level since Labour seized power, we have seen numerous people either leave or jump ship, that hardly gives the electorate any faith in the administration.

On a national level you have Millie who is the worst thing to happen to the Labour party in many years.

I will continue to vote for the party who I believe can deliver, I read the Manifesto and look at wether it can be achieved. Many of us suggested that Labours Manifesto couldn't be achieved and we were correct.
....... and you are totally oblivious to the poor performance of the Tories both Locally and Nationally ....... And you said you were undecided who to vote for.
.
It strikes me you know perfectly well where you will put your cross ...... the only problem i see is will you be able to find the ballot papers with those BIG blinkers that you wear !!!
.
None so blind as those that dont want to see ....
How would you kow ? You're the one wearing a mask who needs Tonto to show you where to go!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are the top three the question must be - why is politics attracting so many who desire a status that ability alone would deny them?[/p][/quote]That comment holds for most people in elected positions. Unprofessional, failed thespians who seek attention. Only have to look at most Councils and the rabble that run them....shameful[/p][/quote]Not to sure about "rabble" ...... but there again perhaps you have the guts to stand ...... but there again perhaps you dont ....... I know which i would bet on[/p][/quote]Why can't someone have an opinion without 'standing'? Williams is a classic example![/p][/quote]Why is Williams a classic example ....... Do you know him ? .....[/p][/quote]Thankfully not, but he got the boot! He was a Gentleman who lied to the electorate, much like the rest of Labour. x[/p][/quote]You may have been sipping too much champagne all day to get confused between 'Labour' and Thatcherised 'New Labour'!!! Williams was from 'NuLabour' mob, which is virtually unofficial right wing of your beloved CON-servative Party. I notice in another of your comment you have expressed concern about speed of responses to your emails by John Denham. I find that surprising because although there has never been much politically common between me and John, I have always found him to be very helpful and efficient in dealing with people's cases I referred to him as their local MP. In fairness on that matter even Tory Chris Chope and Ex-Labour Bob Mitchell who were MPs for Itchen before John were also very good. And Dr. Horace King of real old Labour who later became Lord Maybray King was exceptionally brilliant. Have a nice evening[/p][/quote]Hi Paramjit, Regardless of Labour or NuLabour, I can only judge the party as it is today. I've seen the mess this current administration has made and so my opinions are not to vote Labour. Now, in the future that could change but it will take a lot to rebuild that trust. On a local level since Labour seized power, we have seen numerous people either leave or jump ship, that hardly gives the electorate any faith in the administration. On a national level you have Millie who is the worst thing to happen to the Labour party in many years. I will continue to vote for the party who I believe can deliver, I read the Manifesto and look at wether it can be achieved. Many of us suggested that Labours Manifesto couldn't be achieved and we were correct.[/p][/quote]....... and you are totally oblivious to the poor performance of the Tories both Locally and Nationally ....... And you said you were undecided who to vote for. . It strikes me you know perfectly well where you will put your cross ...... the only problem i see is will you be able to find the ballot papers with those BIG blinkers that you wear !!! . None so blind as those that dont want to see ....[/p][/quote]How would you kow ? You're the one wearing a mask who needs Tonto to show you where to go! nelson1
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