Saints may have to spend

Mauricio Pochettino

Mauricio Pochettino

First published in Sport Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Sports Editor

BACK in November, Saints hit the giddy heights of third place in the Premier League.

For a brief moment, fans were able to dream.

Could this really be the season when Saints pieced together a sustained bid for a Champions League place?

Sadly not, as it’s turned out.

The dream has long gone, and the weekend defeat to Liverpool further underlined how much Saints need to improve if they are to one day challenge the country’s very best.

Though still a very impressive ninth – as I have said before, virtually the highest place they can realistically be – the stats tell their own story.

As of today, Saints are closer to the relegation places than they are to the top four.

Fifteen points clear of the drop zone, and 18 points adrift of fourth placed Manchester City - and the latter have two games in hand.

Saints have obviously made some strides forward this season – they are only two points off equalling their 2012/13 points haul and still have ten games left to play.

But last year there was some big talk from the likes of Pochettino and goalkeeper Artur Boruc of challenging for the Champions League.

Saints splashed out over £30m last summer, and have seen an improvement.

They will need to spend even more this summer if they want to make the stellar leap into the top four.

Saints, it might surprise some people to learn, are the seventh highest scorers in the Premier League this season.

They have bagged 38 goals from 28 games, which is actually one less than they had managed at the same stage of last season.

But they need a lot more goals to become a major force.

Chelsea and Arsenal both have 52 goals so far, while Liverpool and Manchester City have a staggering 73 and 69 respectively.

It is intriguing to see the table printed on this page.

It shows each Premier League club’s record against the clubs currently in the top flight’s top ten.

Saints have managed just a solitary victory in 13 games against the clubs they would like to be competing for a European place alongside.

That was the 1-0 win at Liverpool last September.

Only two clubs have scored fewer goals against the top ten this season than Saints.

That single-goal success at Anfield, meanwhile, was one of just two clean sheets in those 13 games.

So does Pochettino also need to further strengthen his back four this summer, in addition to bringing in more potent goal threats?

These are the sort of questions that need to be asked now, as attention is already starting to turn to 2014/15 already.

Saints’ record against teams in the bottom half of the table is good, and if you want to avoid being sucked into a relegation battle then you need to beat the lowly sides.

But Pochettino’s ambitions are considerably higher than staying out of the bottom three.

That is why the table printed with this article could cause alarm.

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7:17am Mon 3 Mar 14

Velleity says...

I've said it before. We need the striker we wanted Dani to be. SRL isn't netting them like he did and will decline as he ages (even our heroes get older). JR is excellent but not quite there,

We also need cover/replacement for centre-back.

Not sure we need a great deal more (thought I'd LIKE more), which is a testament to the quality already in the squad.
I've said it before. We need the striker we wanted Dani to be. SRL isn't netting them like he did and will decline as he ages (even our heroes get older). JR is excellent but not quite there, We also need cover/replacement for centre-back. Not sure we need a great deal more (thought I'd LIKE more), which is a testament to the quality already in the squad. Velleity
  • Score: 26

7:29am Mon 3 Mar 14

Littleton-Saint says...

When one lets in 3 goals a game, one needs a super
strike-force to seal a win.

We need a pacy winger to get in behind defences, replacements
for slow and ageing Rickie and the disappointing Osvaldo, and a top CB
to support Lovren - perhaps, also a good left back to
step in for/replace Shaw.

A variation in tactics might also improve things.
When one lets in 3 goals a game, one needs a super strike-force to seal a win. We need a pacy winger to get in behind defences, replacements for slow and ageing Rickie and the disappointing Osvaldo, and a top CB to support Lovren - perhaps, also a good left back to step in for/replace Shaw. A variation in tactics might also improve things. Littleton-Saint
  • Score: 19

8:10am Mon 3 Mar 14

Rising_Son says...

Our biggest problem is lack of depth. We need to spend money to make sure we have enough prem quality players in the squad and can rotate them throughout the season in order to make sure they are always match fit when injuries hit. Of course, a clinical finisher wouldn't go amiss.
Our biggest problem is lack of depth. We need to spend money to make sure we have enough prem quality players in the squad and can rotate them throughout the season in order to make sure they are always match fit when injuries hit. Of course, a clinical finisher wouldn't go amiss. Rising_Son
  • Score: 15

8:12am Mon 3 Mar 14

only1chopper says...

Options, something we seem to be really lacking in. But looking at our younger players who let's face it, would be eager/desperate to play in the first team, can come in and provide that spark/impetus to bring the team back to life. This would be on the wings, Rowe and Sinclair could really help the team right now, just putting them on the bench to bring on for the last 15 mins would really help the whole team.
SRL seems to be really struggling to find the net, at this stage of his career, I feel he needs to drop off a bit and to have a pacey striker behind him to feed off him. Not sure if Sam is ready for either role, and I don't think we have anyone in the youth ranks who could do this either, so a dip in the transfer market is needed. Sell the 'nutter' to juve or whoever offers the most money and use that money to put towards a fox in the box.
Or, start playing Gaston in that hole behind the striker and leave SRL up front. Gaston has played really well in recent games and he could do with the minutes, he should be more 'fresh' with the lack of games compared to the rest of the squad.
Just a thought.
Options, something we seem to be really lacking in. But looking at our younger players who let's face it, would be eager/desperate to play in the first team, can come in and provide that spark/impetus to bring the team back to life. This would be on the wings, Rowe and Sinclair could really help the team right now, just putting them on the bench to bring on for the last 15 mins would really help the whole team. SRL seems to be really struggling to find the net, at this stage of his career, I feel he needs to drop off a bit and to have a pacey striker behind him to feed off him. Not sure if Sam is ready for either role, and I don't think we have anyone in the youth ranks who could do this either, so a dip in the transfer market is needed. Sell the 'nutter' to juve or whoever offers the most money and use that money to put towards a fox in the box. Or, start playing Gaston in that hole behind the striker and leave SRL up front. Gaston has played really well in recent games and he could do with the minutes, he should be more 'fresh' with the lack of games compared to the rest of the squad. Just a thought. only1chopper
  • Score: 18

8:18am Mon 3 Mar 14

JohnItaly says...

Interesting! Yesterday I posted using very similar stats to highlight Saints' current situation and it caused quite a bit of response, not all of it complimentary.
Interesting! Yesterday I posted using very similar stats to highlight Saints' current situation and it caused quite a bit of response, not all of it complimentary. JohnItaly
  • Score: 2

8:31am Mon 3 Mar 14

miltonarcher says...

Gutted this season is spluttering to a mediocre end after the highs of the early part of the season. The transfer activity has been poor. Lovren excepted Poch has not excelled with the players he has bought in. We need some new faces for sure. Centre back and goalkeeper, midfield player who can chip in with some goals and a pacy wide player.

At a risk of annoying the lets move on brigade, we had some momentum prior to the FA cup game, fielding a weakened team has put the brakes on our progress. Look how the competition is opening up, we could have made Wembley and possibly a Europa lge spot. Talk about there still being something to play for is fine but let's see some evidence of that in our remaining games.
Gutted this season is spluttering to a mediocre end after the highs of the early part of the season. The transfer activity has been poor. Lovren excepted Poch has not excelled with the players he has bought in. We need some new faces for sure. Centre back and goalkeeper, midfield player who can chip in with some goals and a pacy wide player. At a risk of annoying the lets move on brigade, we had some momentum prior to the FA cup game, fielding a weakened team has put the brakes on our progress. Look how the competition is opening up, we could have made Wembley and possibly a Europa lge spot. Talk about there still being something to play for is fine but let's see some evidence of that in our remaining games. miltonarcher
  • Score: 13

9:06am Mon 3 Mar 14

Santa Retfordia says...

Velleity wrote:
I've said it before. We need the striker we wanted Dani to be. SRL isn't netting them like he did and will decline as he ages (even our heroes get older). JR is excellent but not quite there,

We also need cover/replacement for centre-back.

Not sure we need a great deal more (thought I'd LIKE more), which is a testament to the quality already in the squad.
Agree 100% and Saturday perfectly illustrated this. We bossed maybe 75% of that game and yet lost 3-0 to a team that created two chances. Strikers were the difference.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: I've said it before. We need the striker we wanted Dani to be. SRL isn't netting them like he did and will decline as he ages (even our heroes get older). JR is excellent but not quite there, We also need cover/replacement for centre-back. Not sure we need a great deal more (thought I'd LIKE more), which is a testament to the quality already in the squad.[/p][/quote]Agree 100% and Saturday perfectly illustrated this. We bossed maybe 75% of that game and yet lost 3-0 to a team that created two chances. Strikers were the difference. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 23

9:23am Mon 3 Mar 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Top quality strikers are hard to come by.
I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea
Anyone else got any ideas?
Top quality strikers are hard to come by. I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea Anyone else got any ideas? Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 6

9:42am Mon 3 Mar 14

worried of n e hampshire says...

we need Tom Daley, he's a good diver!
we need Tom Daley, he's a good diver! worried of n e hampshire
  • Score: 14

9:46am Mon 3 Mar 14

Blackknight says...

My Saints shopping list, Striker, Pacey Winger, and a Centre Back.
My Saints shopping list, Striker, Pacey Winger, and a Centre Back. Blackknight
  • Score: 8

9:49am Mon 3 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

I guess from recent posts that this thread is stating the obvious, but our immediate concern is the lack of goals scored, often in the past, when we had a problem, we found the solution from within, does anyone know of any options in this respect? Is there anyone in the Development Squad that is showing enough to step up or is there another whiz kid in the Under 18's that could step up and do a job?

On the subject of the thread I think most of us would like to see some sensible incoming transfers i.e. a quality Centre Back, an out and out striker and with Kelvin showing some fatigue, a GK. Also a back up Left Back if Luke is staying, or a top class replacement should money talk.
I guess from recent posts that this thread is stating the obvious, but our immediate concern is the lack of goals scored, often in the past, when we had a problem, we found the solution from within, does anyone know of any options in this respect? Is there anyone in the Development Squad that is showing enough to step up or is there another whiz kid in the Under 18's that could step up and do a job? On the subject of the thread I think most of us would like to see some sensible incoming transfers i.e. a quality Centre Back, an out and out striker and with Kelvin showing some fatigue, a GK. Also a back up Left Back if Luke is staying, or a top class replacement should money talk. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

9:50am Mon 3 Mar 14

bathsaints says...

The problem this season has been a lack of cutting edge to finish teams off (Saturday was proof of that) and defensive frailty that gives away sloppy goals on a more regular basis than we should. We are not far off and a quality striker who knows/is comfortable playing in the premier league (unlike Dani) and another quality centre back are musts as is probably a challenger for the goalkeepers position and some pacy width would give us options. The bigger issue may be not who are we buying but who can we hold on to. If we can retain our current highly talented young players and just increase the depth/quality around them we'll move on again next season but if we peter out and show a lack of ambition then will we hold on to the likes of Shaw, J-Rod, Clyne, Lallana etc? Whatever the managers view on the Europa league lets still give it our all for the final games of the season and see where we an end up...Newcastle could be about to implode and so an 8th place finish not beyond us! COYR
The problem this season has been a lack of cutting edge to finish teams off (Saturday was proof of that) and defensive frailty that gives away sloppy goals on a more regular basis than we should. We are not far off and a quality striker who knows/is comfortable playing in the premier league (unlike Dani) and another quality centre back are musts as is probably a challenger for the goalkeepers position and some pacy width would give us options. The bigger issue may be not who are we buying but who can we hold on to. If we can retain our current highly talented young players and just increase the depth/quality around them we'll move on again next season but if we peter out and show a lack of ambition then will we hold on to the likes of Shaw, J-Rod, Clyne, Lallana etc? Whatever the managers view on the Europa league lets still give it our all for the final games of the season and see where we an end up...Newcastle could be about to implode and so an 8th place finish not beyond us! COYR bathsaints
  • Score: 6

9:51am Mon 3 Mar 14

Clever Dick says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Top quality strikers are hard to come by.
I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea
Anyone else got any ideas?
Yep.Ask MoPo. I expect he has a few ideas and probably a few irons in fires already.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Top quality strikers are hard to come by. I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea Anyone else got any ideas?[/p][/quote]Yep.Ask MoPo. I expect he has a few ideas and probably a few irons in fires already. Clever Dick
  • Score: 4

9:52am Mon 3 Mar 14

Egomaniac says...

How's this for a far fetched idea? Man U have some pretty good quality up front, and their club will not be in the Champions league next season. I imagine they might have an exodus because of that,. Maybe we could reverse the trend and buy some of theirs for a change? I still think we have ambition (though perhaps not this season any more) and Man U have become just another mid table team.

I wonder how their plastic supporters feel now? Just a thought, and at my age I am entitled to be fanciful methinks.
How's this for a far fetched idea? Man U have some pretty good quality up front, and their club will not be in the Champions league next season. I imagine they might have an exodus because of that,. Maybe we could reverse the trend and buy some of theirs for a change? I still think we have ambition (though perhaps not this season any more) and Man U have become just another mid table team. I wonder how their plastic supporters feel now? Just a thought, and at my age I am entitled to be fanciful methinks. Egomaniac
  • Score: 1

10:03am Mon 3 Mar 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Just a clinical striker would have won us the last few games, even with the existing defence, but if you can't put the chances you make away,sooner or later,the other team will,and then its game over.
Just a clinical striker would have won us the last few games, even with the existing defence, but if you can't put the chances you make away,sooner or later,the other team will,and then its game over. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 5

10:04am Mon 3 Mar 14

Dubai-saints89 says...

if we want a CUP run next season then we need a big squad. so in that case, we need to buy a player for every position. our squad this season was to little and not good enough to see off teams comfortably. spend and bring in 6-7 players.

if we want to Challenge for top 6 next season then were going to need a class striker (meaning Lambert will be benched or shipped off on loan). a quality CB to replace fonte and an effective AM to replace davis. ramirez cant do the job either.

it will be risky to use the likes of chambers/JWP/Cork as they are very good players but they can be replaced with better quality. but as they are young and improving then it would be better to stick with them. its a tough call.

but what im saying is, if we want to dream about winning a cup next season or challenging the big boys we NEED NEEEED to bring in more quality
if we want a CUP run next season then we need a big squad. so in that case, we need to buy a player for every position. our squad this season was to little and not good enough to see off teams comfortably. spend and bring in 6-7 players. if we want to Challenge for top 6 next season then were going to need a class striker (meaning Lambert will be benched or shipped off on loan). a quality CB to replace fonte and an effective AM to replace davis. ramirez cant do the job either. it will be risky to use the likes of chambers/JWP/Cork as they are very good players but they can be replaced with better quality. but as they are young and improving then it would be better to stick with them. its a tough call. but what im saying is, if we want to dream about winning a cup next season or challenging the big boys we NEED NEEEED to bring in more quality Dubai-saints89
  • Score: 3

10:11am Mon 3 Mar 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Egomaniac wrote:
How's this for a far fetched idea? Man U have some pretty good quality up front, and their club will not be in the Champions league next season. I imagine they might have an exodus because of that,. Maybe we could reverse the trend and buy some of theirs for a change? I still think we have ambition (though perhaps not this season any more) and Man U have become just another mid table team.

I wonder how their plastic supporters feel now? Just a thought, and at my age I am entitled to be fanciful methinks.
So which Manure players that might be cheap enough (transfers, signing on fees, agent's fees and salaries) do you think are both good enough and would fit the Southampton Way?

Unless you mean a cut-priced RVP, I can't think of anyone who fits the bill.

It's so easy to draw up a shopping list, but much, much harder to find the right players. Mayuka came with a huge reputation, was scoring for fun, quick and on everyone's radar. Maybe he'll find his feet and be the player we need but he's currently warming the bench for struggling Sochaux. Dani managed (and is managing) to net regularly in a league not known for it's goals. Oh what might have been!

Like others, I'd love a 20+ goals per season striker and a world-class CB. But, more than that, I'd love to see Sam G. Harrison Reed, Jordan Turnbull, Jack Stephens and others follow JWP, Luke, Callam and Adam into the first team on a regular basis.
[quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: How's this for a far fetched idea? Man U have some pretty good quality up front, and their club will not be in the Champions league next season. I imagine they might have an exodus because of that,. Maybe we could reverse the trend and buy some of theirs for a change? I still think we have ambition (though perhaps not this season any more) and Man U have become just another mid table team. I wonder how their plastic supporters feel now? Just a thought, and at my age I am entitled to be fanciful methinks.[/p][/quote]So which Manure players that might be cheap enough (transfers, signing on fees, agent's fees and salaries) do you think are both good enough and would fit the Southampton Way? Unless you mean a cut-priced RVP, I can't think of anyone who fits the bill. It's so easy to draw up a shopping list, but much, much harder to find the right players. Mayuka came with a huge reputation, was scoring for fun, quick and on everyone's radar. Maybe he'll find his feet and be the player we need but he's currently warming the bench for struggling Sochaux. Dani managed (and is managing) to net regularly in a league not known for it's goals. Oh what might have been! Like others, I'd love a 20+ goals per season striker and a world-class CB. But, more than that, I'd love to see Sam G. Harrison Reed, Jordan Turnbull, Jack Stephens and others follow JWP, Luke, Callam and Adam into the first team on a regular basis. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 6

10:17am Mon 3 Mar 14

Dubai-saints89 says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Top quality strikers are hard to come by.
I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea
Anyone else got any ideas?
Danny Ings from Burnley
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Top quality strikers are hard to come by. I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea Anyone else got any ideas?[/p][/quote]Danny Ings from Burnley Dubai-saints89
  • Score: 5

10:18am Mon 3 Mar 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
Velleity wrote:
I've said it before. We need the striker we wanted Dani to be. SRL isn't netting them like he did and will decline as he ages (even our heroes get older). JR is excellent but not quite there,

We also need cover/replacement for centre-back.

Not sure we need a great deal more (thought I'd LIKE more), which is a testament to the quality already in the squad.
Agree 100% and Saturday perfectly illustrated this. We bossed maybe 75% of that game and yet lost 3-0 to a team that created two chances. Strikers were the difference.
is mayuka the answer? he is still our player and will be back in the summer. we know he`s got pace but is he the 20+ a season striker we need?
if not then is he good enough to challenge J-rod for his wider role?
will he have an impact coming off the bench?
if the answers no to all of those then we need to let him go and then bring in another striker.
does anyone know how he`s doing in france?
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: I've said it before. We need the striker we wanted Dani to be. SRL isn't netting them like he did and will decline as he ages (even our heroes get older). JR is excellent but not quite there, We also need cover/replacement for centre-back. Not sure we need a great deal more (thought I'd LIKE more), which is a testament to the quality already in the squad.[/p][/quote]Agree 100% and Saturday perfectly illustrated this. We bossed maybe 75% of that game and yet lost 3-0 to a team that created two chances. Strikers were the difference.[/p][/quote]is mayuka the answer? he is still our player and will be back in the summer. we know he`s got pace but is he the 20+ a season striker we need? if not then is he good enough to challenge J-rod for his wider role? will he have an impact coming off the bench? if the answers no to all of those then we need to let him go and then bring in another striker. does anyone know how he`s doing in france? el caballo santos101
  • Score: 4

10:28am Mon 3 Mar 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Dubai-saints89 wrote:
if we want a CUP run next season then we need a big squad. so in that case, we need to buy a player for every position. our squad this season was to little and not good enough to see off teams comfortably. spend and bring in 6-7 players.

if we want to Challenge for top 6 next season then were going to need a class striker (meaning Lambert will be benched or shipped off on loan). a quality CB to replace fonte and an effective AM to replace davis. ramirez cant do the job either.

it will be risky to use the likes of chambers/JWP/Cork as they are very good players but they can be replaced with better quality. but as they are young and improving then it would be better to stick with them. its a tough call.

but what im saying is, if we want to dream about winning a cup next season or challenging the big boys we NEED NEEEED to bring in more quality
Sunderland have done pretty well in the cups this year (at our expense) but - based on our league position and the two Sunderland league matches - I think the evidence (alas, not the results) shows that we have the outline of a far superior squad.

As Dave M would put it, 'what we don't want to do now is bring in 6 or 7 merceneries and upset the development that has been at the centre of our success these past 3-4 seasons'.
[quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: if we want a CUP run next season then we need a big squad. so in that case, we need to buy a player for every position. our squad this season was to little and not good enough to see off teams comfortably. spend and bring in 6-7 players. if we want to Challenge for top 6 next season then were going to need a class striker (meaning Lambert will be benched or shipped off on loan). a quality CB to replace fonte and an effective AM to replace davis. ramirez cant do the job either. it will be risky to use the likes of chambers/JWP/Cork as they are very good players but they can be replaced with better quality. but as they are young and improving then it would be better to stick with them. its a tough call. but what im saying is, if we want to dream about winning a cup next season or challenging the big boys we NEED NEEEED to bring in more quality[/p][/quote]Sunderland have done pretty well in the cups this year (at our expense) but - based on our league position and the two Sunderland league matches - I think the evidence (alas, not the results) shows that we have the outline of a far superior squad. As Dave M would put it, 'what we don't want to do now is bring in 6 or 7 merceneries and upset the development that has been at the centre of our success these past 3-4 seasons'. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 7

10:32am Mon 3 Mar 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Velleity wrote:
I've said it before. We need the striker we wanted Dani to be. SRL isn't netting them like he did and will decline as he ages (even our heroes get older). JR is excellent but not quite there,

We also need cover/replacement for centre-back.

Not sure we need a great deal more (thought I'd LIKE more), which is a testament to the quality already in the squad.
Agree 100% and Saturday perfectly illustrated this. We bossed maybe 75% of that game and yet lost 3-0 to a team that created two chances. Strikers were the difference.
is mayuka the answer? he is still our player and will be back in the summer. we know he`s got pace but is he the 20+ a season striker we need?
if not then is he good enough to challenge J-rod for his wider role?
will he have an impact coming off the bench?
if the answers no to all of those then we need to let him go and then bring in another striker.
does anyone know how he`s doing in france?
I think I answered your last question above, Horse. He's been okay, scored one cracker and a couple of others but wasn't setting the world alight. That doesn't mean he won't ever be the answer - he's still young - but it doesn't look promising for him right now.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: I've said it before. We need the striker we wanted Dani to be. SRL isn't netting them like he did and will decline as he ages (even our heroes get older). JR is excellent but not quite there, We also need cover/replacement for centre-back. Not sure we need a great deal more (thought I'd LIKE more), which is a testament to the quality already in the squad.[/p][/quote]Agree 100% and Saturday perfectly illustrated this. We bossed maybe 75% of that game and yet lost 3-0 to a team that created two chances. Strikers were the difference.[/p][/quote]is mayuka the answer? he is still our player and will be back in the summer. we know he`s got pace but is he the 20+ a season striker we need? if not then is he good enough to challenge J-rod for his wider role? will he have an impact coming off the bench? if the answers no to all of those then we need to let him go and then bring in another striker. does anyone know how he`s doing in france?[/p][/quote]I think I answered your last question above, Horse. He's been okay, scored one cracker and a couple of others but wasn't setting the world alight. That doesn't mean he won't ever be the answer - he's still young - but it doesn't look promising for him right now. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 3

10:41am Mon 3 Mar 14

Confucious says...

An analysis of the statistics would seem to support the thrust of the suggestions on here for striking and defensive additions - because, superficially at least, the figures indicate that we need to score more goals and concede fewer.

However, looking even more closely and examining possible comparative scenarios, the numbers show that the key isn't necessarily scoring more AND conceding fewer, but could be just scoring a lot more and conceding the same or scoring the same and conceding a lot fewer.

Further complexity arises if we add a more uneven distribution of the goals. For example, at the extreme, if we had lost our first match 35-nil and then fairly evenly distributed our 38 goals scored across the other 27 games, we would now be comfortably at the top of the league. Indeed we could be in the same position even if we only scored 27 goals in total this season so far instead of the 38 we have scored.

I'm not saying that the suggestions for team strengthening on here stem from shallow or mathematically illiterate thinking (tempted though I am), but simply pointing out that the numbers present a wide variety of possibilities.

Remarkably, the same numerical situation arises right across the league from top to bottom. Alter the distribution pattern of the actual goals scored and conceded (whilst making no change at all to the totals) and Fulham could now be where Chelsea are and vice versa.

This would indicate that football managers and players are simply not very good at managing numbers and I have told MoPo (via Mrs Wilson) that he should add a reasonably qualified mathematician to his back-up team.
An analysis of the statistics would seem to support the thrust of the suggestions on here for striking and defensive additions - because, superficially at least, the figures indicate that we need to score more goals and concede fewer. However, looking even more closely and examining possible comparative scenarios, the numbers show that the key isn't necessarily scoring more AND conceding fewer, but could be just scoring a lot more and conceding the same or scoring the same and conceding a lot fewer. Further complexity arises if we add a more uneven distribution of the goals. For example, at the extreme, if we had lost our first match 35-nil and then fairly evenly distributed our 38 goals scored across the other 27 games, we would now be comfortably at the top of the league. Indeed we could be in the same position even if we only scored 27 goals in total this season so far instead of the 38 we have scored. I'm not saying that the suggestions for team strengthening on here stem from shallow or mathematically illiterate thinking (tempted though I am), but simply pointing out that the numbers present a wide variety of possibilities. Remarkably, the same numerical situation arises right across the league from top to bottom. Alter the distribution pattern of the actual goals scored and conceded (whilst making no change at all to the totals) and Fulham could now be where Chelsea are and vice versa. This would indicate that football managers and players are simply not very good at managing numbers and I have told MoPo (via Mrs Wilson) that he should add a reasonably qualified mathematician to his back-up team. Confucious
  • Score: 0

10:44am Mon 3 Mar 14

george chivers says...

Velleity wrote:
I've said it before. We need the striker we wanted Dani to be. SRL isn't netting them like he did and will decline as he ages (even our heroes get older). JR is excellent but not quite there,

We also need cover/replacement for centre-back.

Not sure we need a great deal more (thought I'd LIKE more), which is a testament to the quality already in the squad.
I agree with what you are saying, but you are making the assumption all of our key players will be here for next season. I think that is a dangerous assumption especially with the WC coming up. Brazil will be crawling with agents tapping up players for top clubs. And we will be vulnerable if our key players have a good tournament. The lure of a double or treble pay deal will cut through loyalty like a knife through butter.

I know you will say I'm not being positive and my glass is half empty but I think that is a realistic view.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: I've said it before. We need the striker we wanted Dani to be. SRL isn't netting them like he did and will decline as he ages (even our heroes get older). JR is excellent but not quite there, We also need cover/replacement for centre-back. Not sure we need a great deal more (thought I'd LIKE more), which is a testament to the quality already in the squad.[/p][/quote]I agree with what you are saying, but you are making the assumption all of our key players will be here for next season. I think that is a dangerous assumption especially with the WC coming up. Brazil will be crawling with agents tapping up players for top clubs. And we will be vulnerable if our key players have a good tournament. The lure of a double or treble pay deal will cut through loyalty like a knife through butter. I know you will say I'm not being positive and my glass is half empty but I think that is a realistic view. george chivers
  • Score: 2

10:51am Mon 3 Mar 14

saint Compo says...

17 points from our last 17 games is relegation zone form. We are surviving on our early season success when we got 22 points from our first 11 games. (That's similar to what WBA did last season and look at where they are now, a season later.) During that spell we conceded very few goals and scored most of our own from set pieces. Our defence is now very porous.

The team creates a lot of opportunities with their attacking game but very few serious scoring chances; thus the failure to score many goals.

MoPo's weekly bemoaning of an unfair result is becoming embarrassing. His tactics are not working and other teams have worked us out. On Saturday we lacked energy and commitment in the second half, without which our whole game plan falls apart. I think the decision not to try to win the FA Cup has demotivated the players because there's nothing left to play for this season.

Our player recruitment has been poor. Ramirez and Osvaldo are not suited to the speed and physicality of the Premier League. Lovren and Wanyama look to be good buys but Wanyama was a shadow of his early season self on Saturday (perhaps because he's still not fully match fit after his recent injury).

This summer we need to recruit 2 strong centre backs, a forceful central attacking midfielder, a pacey wide man and a top class international striker who can actually score goals. It's also critical that we retain our young talent; otherwise they will have to be replaced by worthy alternatives.

All is not rosy in the Saints camp, I'm afraid. I see big problems ahead which will need money to fix.

COYR
17 points from our last 17 games is relegation zone form. We are surviving on our early season success when we got 22 points from our first 11 games. (That's similar to what WBA did last season and look at where they are now, a season later.) During that spell we conceded very few goals and scored most of our own from set pieces. Our defence is now very porous. The team creates a lot of opportunities with their attacking game but very few serious scoring chances; thus the failure to score many goals. MoPo's weekly bemoaning of an unfair result is becoming embarrassing. His tactics are not working and other teams have worked us out. On Saturday we lacked energy and commitment in the second half, without which our whole game plan falls apart. I think the decision not to try to win the FA Cup has demotivated the players because there's nothing left to play for this season. Our player recruitment has been poor. Ramirez and Osvaldo are not suited to the speed and physicality of the Premier League. Lovren and Wanyama look to be good buys but Wanyama was a shadow of his early season self on Saturday (perhaps because he's still not fully match fit after his recent injury). This summer we need to recruit 2 strong centre backs, a forceful central attacking midfielder, a pacey wide man and a top class international striker who can actually score goals. It's also critical that we retain our young talent; otherwise they will have to be replaced by worthy alternatives. All is not rosy in the Saints camp, I'm afraid. I see big problems ahead which will need money to fix. COYR saint Compo
  • Score: 8

10:52am Mon 3 Mar 14

Sammy2sheds says...

What about pardew up front he's not bad with his head
What about pardew up front he's not bad with his head Sammy2sheds
  • Score: 10

10:53am Mon 3 Mar 14

george chivers says...

Littleton-Saint wrote:
When one lets in 3 goals a game, one needs a super
strike-force to seal a win.

We need a pacy winger to get in behind defences, replacements
for slow and ageing Rickie and the disappointing Osvaldo, and a top CB
to support Lovren - perhaps, also a good left back to
step in for/replace Shaw.

A variation in tactics might also improve things.
With you 100%. But I don't think we will buy a winger. We let Puncheon go and made no attempt to replace him which I think says our strategy is no wingers and let the full backs make the crosses. A pity because a winger would give us a nice variation and the opposition something different to defend against. At times I think we are too predictable, despite our high possession percentages.
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: When one lets in 3 goals a game, one needs a super strike-force to seal a win. We need a pacy winger to get in behind defences, replacements for slow and ageing Rickie and the disappointing Osvaldo, and a top CB to support Lovren - perhaps, also a good left back to step in for/replace Shaw. A variation in tactics might also improve things.[/p][/quote]With you 100%. But I don't think we will buy a winger. We let Puncheon go and made no attempt to replace him which I think says our strategy is no wingers and let the full backs make the crosses. A pity because a winger would give us a nice variation and the opposition something different to defend against. At times I think we are too predictable, despite our high possession percentages. george chivers
  • Score: 3

10:56am Mon 3 Mar 14

george chivers says...

saint Compo wrote:
17 points from our last 17 games is relegation zone form. We are surviving on our early season success when we got 22 points from our first 11 games. (That's similar to what WBA did last season and look at where they are now, a season later.) During that spell we conceded very few goals and scored most of our own from set pieces. Our defence is now very porous.

The team creates a lot of opportunities with their attacking game but very few serious scoring chances; thus the failure to score many goals.

MoPo's weekly bemoaning of an unfair result is becoming embarrassing. His tactics are not working and other teams have worked us out. On Saturday we lacked energy and commitment in the second half, without which our whole game plan falls apart. I think the decision not to try to win the FA Cup has demotivated the players because there's nothing left to play for this season.

Our player recruitment has been poor. Ramirez and Osvaldo are not suited to the speed and physicality of the Premier League. Lovren and Wanyama look to be good buys but Wanyama was a shadow of his early season self on Saturday (perhaps because he's still not fully match fit after his recent injury).

This summer we need to recruit 2 strong centre backs, a forceful central attacking midfielder, a pacey wide man and a top class international striker who can actually score goals. It's also critical that we retain our young talent; otherwise they will have to be replaced by worthy alternatives.

All is not rosy in the Saints camp, I'm afraid. I see big problems ahead which will need money to fix.

COYR
Spot on.
[quote][p][bold]saint Compo[/bold] wrote: 17 points from our last 17 games is relegation zone form. We are surviving on our early season success when we got 22 points from our first 11 games. (That's similar to what WBA did last season and look at where they are now, a season later.) During that spell we conceded very few goals and scored most of our own from set pieces. Our defence is now very porous. The team creates a lot of opportunities with their attacking game but very few serious scoring chances; thus the failure to score many goals. MoPo's weekly bemoaning of an unfair result is becoming embarrassing. His tactics are not working and other teams have worked us out. On Saturday we lacked energy and commitment in the second half, without which our whole game plan falls apart. I think the decision not to try to win the FA Cup has demotivated the players because there's nothing left to play for this season. Our player recruitment has been poor. Ramirez and Osvaldo are not suited to the speed and physicality of the Premier League. Lovren and Wanyama look to be good buys but Wanyama was a shadow of his early season self on Saturday (perhaps because he's still not fully match fit after his recent injury). This summer we need to recruit 2 strong centre backs, a forceful central attacking midfielder, a pacey wide man and a top class international striker who can actually score goals. It's also critical that we retain our young talent; otherwise they will have to be replaced by worthy alternatives. All is not rosy in the Saints camp, I'm afraid. I see big problems ahead which will need money to fix. COYR[/p][/quote]Spot on. george chivers
  • Score: 2

10:56am Mon 3 Mar 14

alanrr says...

I would still rather progress slowly and develop our own ...we can't become champions league contenders in 2 seasons of being back in the prem....I've always felt we were lightweight up front but sam is a big guy and hopefully will do a job......we do need cover in a number of positions and options in styles of play......
I would still rather progress slowly and develop our own ...we can't become champions league contenders in 2 seasons of being back in the prem....I've always felt we were lightweight up front but sam is a big guy and hopefully will do a job......we do need cover in a number of positions and options in styles of play...... alanrr
  • Score: 6

11:05am Mon 3 Mar 14

justaSaintsfan says...

Thanks for an interesting article, Daily Echo. Thanks to your writer, Simon Carter, for putting his name to it.

However, the article's title, 'Saints may have to spend,' does suggest uncertainty. Of course Saints have to spend and there should be nothing uncertain about it! Yes, Saints have a great academy, which is providing a steady supply of good, 'home grown' young players, but there will always be need to buy in players from elsewhere. This need is hardly a revelation and is
no different from that of other football clubs, which all need to buy players from time to time.

I wrote above that the Daily Echo article is interesting. We Saints fans were apparently able to dream in November! I quote, 'For a brief moment, fans were able to dream.'

A brief moment! RUBBISH!!! I'm a life long Saints fan and my dreams for Saints are still very much intact and ongoing!

You people at the Daily Echo really do need to start looking at the bigger picture, which would make a welcome change. Have you failed to notice the tremendous progress that Saints continue to make during the ownership of the club by first Saint Markus and for years by Katharina Liebherr???

The fact is, each season has been better than the last since the dark days in Division 1 and there is absolutely no reason to suppose that next season will not be yet another better one. I think it's seventeen Saints players who are currently away with various international squads. Seventeen!!!

What more proof of Saints' continuing progress do you want, Daily Echo???

It's high time our local newspaper started being more optimistic about Saints, its local club!!! Progress for Saints has been remarkably quick so far and the progress continues. So be positive, Daily Echo, be positive!!!

The dreams for our Saints are still very much alive!!!
Thanks for an interesting article, Daily Echo. Thanks to your writer, Simon Carter, for putting his name to it. However, the article's title, 'Saints may have to spend,' does suggest uncertainty. Of course Saints have to spend and there should be nothing uncertain about it! Yes, Saints have a great academy, which is providing a steady supply of good, 'home grown' young players, but there will always be need to buy in players from elsewhere. This need is hardly a revelation and is no different from that of other football clubs, which all need to buy players from time to time. I wrote above that the Daily Echo article is interesting. We Saints fans were apparently able to dream in November! I quote, 'For a brief moment, fans were able to dream.' A brief moment! RUBBISH!!! I'm a life long Saints fan and my dreams for Saints are still very much intact and ongoing! You people at the Daily Echo really do need to start looking at the bigger picture, which would make a welcome change. Have you failed to notice the tremendous progress that Saints continue to make during the ownership of the club by first Saint Markus and for years by Katharina Liebherr??? The fact is, each season has been better than the last since the dark days in Division 1 and there is absolutely no reason to suppose that next season will not be yet another better one. I think it's seventeen Saints players who are currently away with various international squads. Seventeen!!! What more proof of Saints' continuing progress do you want, Daily Echo??? It's high time our local newspaper started being more optimistic about Saints, its local club!!! Progress for Saints has been remarkably quick so far and the progress continues. So be positive, Daily Echo, be positive!!! The dreams for our Saints are still very much alive!!! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 16

11:09am Mon 3 Mar 14

donni1437 says...

Spending to get into the top four!!! Where do we start? I guess it depends how we play. At the start of the season we were solid and our form was based on our defensive qualities. Since our injury issues the defence seems to have gone a little bit walkabout. Maybe there are many factors but I do feel we are committing more players to the attacks. Whatever it is 6 goals conceded in the first 11 games v 29 goals in 17 since shows where the majority of our problems have been.

It seems fans want a goal scorer and more chances converted but as a general rule the team with the best defence finishes in one of the top 4 spots in the league. I don't feel we've got a major problem with goal scoring but tightening up the defence has to be a priority for next season.

If we can tighten up and find the net more next season, easier said than done I know, then a double bonus.
Spending to get into the top four!!! Where do we start? I guess it depends how we play. At the start of the season we were solid and our form was based on our defensive qualities. Since our injury issues the defence seems to have gone a little bit walkabout. Maybe there are many factors but I do feel we are committing more players to the attacks. Whatever it is 6 goals conceded in the first 11 games v 29 goals in 17 since shows where the majority of our problems have been. It seems fans want a goal scorer and more chances converted but as a general rule the team with the best defence finishes in one of the top 4 spots in the league. I don't feel we've got a major problem with goal scoring but tightening up the defence has to be a priority for next season. If we can tighten up and find the net more next season, easier said than done I know, then a double bonus. donni1437
  • Score: 3

11:28am Mon 3 Mar 14

SaintJD says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Just a clinical striker would have won us the last few games, even with the existing defence, but if you can't put the chances you make away,sooner or later,the other team will,and then its game over.
And what does it say about England that we have two strikers in the national team?

I do think that while Simon Carter points to a huge gulf between us and European football I do think in actual fact that Saturday proved beyond doubt that clinical strikers win you games... convincingly.

We managed to make a lot of brilliant chances look like half chances by ballooning them over the bar or hitting lame shots.

In my opinion, if we had one or two class strikers (one with pace who can cut in) and two more top quality centre back options, we'd be flying and have the depth of squad we need - the midfield options are pretty deep already if you consider our midfielders to be three solid hard working and skillful players from a pool of: JWP, Cork, Spider, Davis, Adam, Gaston and Wanyama.

But we desperately need more striking options as shown on Saturday and particularly another target man and a pacey J-Rod/Sturridge style wide attacker for the other flank (Ince/Zaha or someone from Europe).

And defensively we just don't have enough depth bar on the right side. Left back and centre back positions need to be strengthened.

In my opinion we need: experienced (25-28 range) target man and experienced international centre back x2, young wide attacker and left back cover. Ideally I'd also like a better back-up or first choice option in goal to challenge Artur.

Then we're looking pretty good.

And I don't think that necessarily means spending more money than we did on Gaston and Osvaldo combined and, frankly, we may not need to spend anything if we can get a decent amount back on those two.

So we don't actually need to spend in the summer - we just need to redistribute the money we spent on them and potentially Maya, who's been slightly lacking in the last couple of games in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Just a clinical striker would have won us the last few games, even with the existing defence, but if you can't put the chances you make away,sooner or later,the other team will,and then its game over.[/p][/quote]And what does it say about England that we have two strikers in the national team? I do think that while Simon Carter points to a huge gulf between us and European football I do think in actual fact that Saturday proved beyond doubt that clinical strikers win you games... convincingly. We managed to make a lot of brilliant chances look like half chances by ballooning them over the bar or hitting lame shots. In my opinion, if we had one or two class strikers (one with pace who can cut in) and two more top quality centre back options, we'd be flying and have the depth of squad we need - the midfield options are pretty deep already if you consider our midfielders to be three solid hard working and skillful players from a pool of: JWP, Cork, Spider, Davis, Adam, Gaston and Wanyama. But we desperately need more striking options as shown on Saturday and particularly another target man and a pacey J-Rod/Sturridge style wide attacker for the other flank (Ince/Zaha or someone from Europe). And defensively we just don't have enough depth bar on the right side. Left back and centre back positions need to be strengthened. In my opinion we need: experienced (25-28 range) target man and experienced international centre back x2, young wide attacker and left back cover. Ideally I'd also like a better back-up or first choice option in goal to challenge Artur. Then we're looking pretty good. And I don't think that necessarily means spending more money than we did on Gaston and Osvaldo combined and, frankly, we may not need to spend anything if we can get a decent amount back on those two. So we don't actually need to spend in the summer - we just need to redistribute the money we spent on them and potentially Maya, who's been slightly lacking in the last couple of games in my opinion. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

11:49am Mon 3 Mar 14

Egomaniac says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
How's this for a far fetched idea? Man U have some pretty good quality up front, and their club will not be in the Champions league next season. I imagine they might have an exodus because of that,. Maybe we could reverse the trend and buy some of theirs for a change? I still think we have ambition (though perhaps not this season any more) and Man U have become just another mid table team.

I wonder how their plastic supporters feel now? Just a thought, and at my age I am entitled to be fanciful methinks.
So which Manure players that might be cheap enough (transfers, signing on fees, agent's fees and salaries) do you think are both good enough and would fit the Southampton Way?

Unless you mean a cut-priced RVP, I can't think of anyone who fits the bill.

It's so easy to draw up a shopping list, but much, much harder to find the right players. Mayuka came with a huge reputation, was scoring for fun, quick and on everyone's radar. Maybe he'll find his feet and be the player we need but he's currently warming the bench for struggling Sochaux. Dani managed (and is managing) to net regularly in a league not known for it's goals. Oh what might have been!

Like others, I'd love a 20+ goals per season striker and a world-class CB. But, more than that, I'd love to see Sam G. Harrison Reed, Jordan Turnbull, Jack Stephens and others follow JWP, Luke, Callam and Adam into the first team on a regular basis.
I take your point Strssbourg - but remember I was only fantasising - a medical condition which is prevelant in the aged!

Anyway, thinking about it, the MU players aren't exactly showing a great deal are they! We need to aim higher…!
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: How's this for a far fetched idea? Man U have some pretty good quality up front, and their club will not be in the Champions league next season. I imagine they might have an exodus because of that,. Maybe we could reverse the trend and buy some of theirs for a change? I still think we have ambition (though perhaps not this season any more) and Man U have become just another mid table team. I wonder how their plastic supporters feel now? Just a thought, and at my age I am entitled to be fanciful methinks.[/p][/quote]So which Manure players that might be cheap enough (transfers, signing on fees, agent's fees and salaries) do you think are both good enough and would fit the Southampton Way? Unless you mean a cut-priced RVP, I can't think of anyone who fits the bill. It's so easy to draw up a shopping list, but much, much harder to find the right players. Mayuka came with a huge reputation, was scoring for fun, quick and on everyone's radar. Maybe he'll find his feet and be the player we need but he's currently warming the bench for struggling Sochaux. Dani managed (and is managing) to net regularly in a league not known for it's goals. Oh what might have been! Like others, I'd love a 20+ goals per season striker and a world-class CB. But, more than that, I'd love to see Sam G. Harrison Reed, Jordan Turnbull, Jack Stephens and others follow JWP, Luke, Callam and Adam into the first team on a regular basis.[/p][/quote]I take your point Strssbourg - but remember I was only fantasising - a medical condition which is prevelant in the aged! Anyway, thinking about it, the MU players aren't exactly showing a great deal are they! We need to aim higher…! Egomaniac
  • Score: 0

12:00pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Saintsayer II says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Top quality strikers are hard to come by.
I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea
Anyone else got any ideas?
That's the hard part.

Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?
Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO

Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U

Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos

Any 2 of that lot please
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Top quality strikers are hard to come by. I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea Anyone else got any ideas?[/p][/quote]That's the hard part. Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?[/p][/quote]Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos Any 2 of that lot please Saintsayer II
  • Score: 6

12:36pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Winman says...

One consistent feature of our season, in my view, has been our ability to outplay the opposition; another has been our inability to convert chances created into goals.
It's ironic that the difference between this could be solved with a Walcott or an Oxlade-Chamberlain. So I reckon we should stay positive and hope that we keep all of our youngsters for next season - it's easy to forget that we are still a young team growing in experience all the time. We do need to take our goal scoring chances, but after Saturday I think we are increasingly making them.
So a poacher with a bit of pace is needed, but the glass is always half full!
One consistent feature of our season, in my view, has been our ability to outplay the opposition; another has been our inability to convert chances created into goals. It's ironic that the difference between this could be solved with a Walcott or an Oxlade-Chamberlain. So I reckon we should stay positive and hope that we keep all of our youngsters for next season - it's easy to forget that we are still a young team growing in experience all the time. We do need to take our goal scoring chances, but after Saturday I think we are increasingly making them. So a poacher with a bit of pace is needed, but the glass is always half full! Winman
  • Score: 5

12:40pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Egomaniac wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
How's this for a far fetched idea? Man U have some pretty good quality up front, and their club will not be in the Champions league next season. I imagine they might have an exodus because of that,. Maybe we could reverse the trend and buy some of theirs for a change? I still think we have ambition (though perhaps not this season any more) and Man U have become just another mid table team.

I wonder how their plastic supporters feel now? Just a thought, and at my age I am entitled to be fanciful methinks.
So which Manure players that might be cheap enough (transfers, signing on fees, agent's fees and salaries) do you think are both good enough and would fit the Southampton Way?

Unless you mean a cut-priced RVP, I can't think of anyone who fits the bill.

It's so easy to draw up a shopping list, but much, much harder to find the right players. Mayuka came with a huge reputation, was scoring for fun, quick and on everyone's radar. Maybe he'll find his feet and be the player we need but he's currently warming the bench for struggling Sochaux. Dani managed (and is managing) to net regularly in a league not known for it's goals. Oh what might have been!

Like others, I'd love a 20+ goals per season striker and a world-class CB. But, more than that, I'd love to see Sam G. Harrison Reed, Jordan Turnbull, Jack Stephens and others follow JWP, Luke, Callam and Adam into the first team on a regular basis.
I take your point Strssbourg - but remember I was only fantasising - a medical condition which is prevelant in the aged!

Anyway, thinking about it, the MU players aren't exactly showing a great deal are they! We need to aim higher…!
The best way to do it is to get with a kid who plays FIFA14. Such a moment happened to me a little while ago on a train. One of the younger Strassies told me that Saints were beating Barca 18-0 and that Pele had come off the bench at half time and just completed his double hatrick following a through ball from Maradona. Apparently, though, Rickie had beaten Pele to the match ball.

Still dreaming ........
[quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: How's this for a far fetched idea? Man U have some pretty good quality up front, and their club will not be in the Champions league next season. I imagine they might have an exodus because of that,. Maybe we could reverse the trend and buy some of theirs for a change? I still think we have ambition (though perhaps not this season any more) and Man U have become just another mid table team. I wonder how their plastic supporters feel now? Just a thought, and at my age I am entitled to be fanciful methinks.[/p][/quote]So which Manure players that might be cheap enough (transfers, signing on fees, agent's fees and salaries) do you think are both good enough and would fit the Southampton Way? Unless you mean a cut-priced RVP, I can't think of anyone who fits the bill. It's so easy to draw up a shopping list, but much, much harder to find the right players. Mayuka came with a huge reputation, was scoring for fun, quick and on everyone's radar. Maybe he'll find his feet and be the player we need but he's currently warming the bench for struggling Sochaux. Dani managed (and is managing) to net regularly in a league not known for it's goals. Oh what might have been! Like others, I'd love a 20+ goals per season striker and a world-class CB. But, more than that, I'd love to see Sam G. Harrison Reed, Jordan Turnbull, Jack Stephens and others follow JWP, Luke, Callam and Adam into the first team on a regular basis.[/p][/quote]I take your point Strssbourg - but remember I was only fantasising - a medical condition which is prevelant in the aged! Anyway, thinking about it, the MU players aren't exactly showing a great deal are they! We need to aim higher…![/p][/quote]The best way to do it is to get with a kid who plays FIFA14. Such a moment happened to me a little while ago on a train. One of the younger Strassies told me that Saints were beating Barca 18-0 and that Pele had come off the bench at half time and just completed his double hatrick following a through ball from Maradona. Apparently, though, Rickie had beaten Pele to the match ball. Still dreaming ........ Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 2

1:15pm Mon 3 Mar 14

redsnapper says...

Too many negative vibes, yes we need to score more, they tried Osvaldo and failed so expect a replacement. Our football is attractive and effective and this is only the second season back in one of the worlds toughest leagues, we have made serious progress and I am sure learning from mistakes. I expect LS to leave for Chelsea this summer and those funds (at least £30M- look at Bale) will help fund next year's progress.
COYR - you've done great so far!!
Too many negative vibes, yes we need to score more, they tried Osvaldo and failed so expect a replacement. Our football is attractive and effective and this is only the second season back in one of the worlds toughest leagues, we have made serious progress and I am sure learning from mistakes. I expect LS to leave for Chelsea this summer and those funds (at least £30M- look at Bale) will help fund next year's progress. COYR - you've done great so far!! redsnapper
  • Score: 5

1:17pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Jon Forte says...

Don't forget about me. I've been training hard and am pushing for a place in the team. It's been a long time but I really feel I can make a difference and give Rickie some much needed support up top. Watch this space.
#FORTEknox back in the game....
Don't forget about me. I've been training hard and am pushing for a place in the team. It's been a long time but I really feel I can make a difference and give Rickie some much needed support up top. Watch this space. #FORTEknox back in the game.... Jon Forte
  • Score: 7

1:28pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Terry_Nutkins says...

Daily Echo in a negative, glass half empty article shocker!

We have come on leaps and bounds and while they are correct in their assertion we need strength ad depth (we had a PM quality first 11 but with Osvaldo gone, Ramirez often out and when Lovren and Shaw were out, a Championship at best standard squad).

It's all good and well to talk CL and even Europe but we need to push out the players not playing and replace with a higher quality of reserve/fringe players Not always easy if players can't get game time. However, we do seem to be seeing out the contracts of player not rated for the PL and I do believe the club are patient and will replace with better quality within the sustainable model we have competently built but this will be do gradually. Not in a panic as we have stated before. I have faith and perhaps the Echo should too judging by how far we have come in the short space of 3 years and the club have not done anything overly drastic or rash to warrant such sensationalist pessimism.
Daily Echo in a negative, glass half empty article shocker! We have come on leaps and bounds and while they are correct in their assertion we need strength ad depth (we had a PM quality first 11 but with Osvaldo gone, Ramirez often out and when Lovren and Shaw were out, a Championship at best standard squad). It's all good and well to talk CL and even Europe but we need to push out the players not playing and replace with a higher quality of reserve/fringe players Not always easy if players can't get game time. However, we do seem to be seeing out the contracts of player not rated for the PL and I do believe the club are patient and will replace with better quality within the sustainable model we have competently built but this will be do gradually. Not in a panic as we have stated before. I have faith and perhaps the Echo should too judging by how far we have come in the short space of 3 years and the club have not done anything overly drastic or rash to warrant such sensationalist pessimism. Terry_Nutkins
  • Score: 4

1:33pm Mon 3 Mar 14

saints fan #1 says...

young goal scoring talent waiting to be discovered and would fit in well at SAINTS.
2 Marvin Ducksch Borussia Dortmund II
3 Timo Werner VfB Stuttgart II
4 Donis Avdijaj FC Schalke 04 U19
6 Shawn Parker 1.FSV Mainz 05
7 Kacper Przybylko 1.FC Köln
8 Philipp Hofmann FC Schalke 04 – SC Paderborn 07
9 Aleksandr Kozlov Spartak Moskau
10 Niclas Füllkrug SV Werder Bremen
11 Nils Quaschner FC Hansa Rostock
12 Max Meyer FC Schalke 04
13 Said Benkarit Borussia Dortmund U19
young goal scoring talent waiting to be discovered and would fit in well at SAINTS. 2 Marvin Ducksch Borussia Dortmund II 3 Timo Werner VfB Stuttgart II 4 Donis Avdijaj FC Schalke 04 U19 6 Shawn Parker 1.FSV Mainz 05 7 Kacper Przybylko 1.FC Köln 8 Philipp Hofmann FC Schalke 04 – SC Paderborn 07 9 Aleksandr Kozlov Spartak Moskau 10 Niclas Füllkrug SV Werder Bremen 11 Nils Quaschner FC Hansa Rostock 12 Max Meyer FC Schalke 04 13 Said Benkarit Borussia Dortmund U19 saints fan #1
  • Score: -1

1:40pm Mon 3 Mar 14

lowe esteem says...

Dubai-saints89 wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Top quality strikers are hard to come by.
I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea
Anyone else got any ideas?
Danny Ings from Burnley
...and Vokes, make a nice value deal, and enable us to seamlessly change gear without substituting the work ethic. This makes for subtle changes to our style where THE TEAM have not been finishing regularly.
This would take the pressure of SRL -who seems to be the nub of veiled criticism since Dani Nob left- despite making the single best attacking manoeuvre of Saturday, and still being immense for the team -if only he had a foreign sounding name or was a Brazilian-OK, forget that, we're in real Aunt Sally territory now.
[quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Top quality strikers are hard to come by. I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea Anyone else got any ideas?[/p][/quote]Danny Ings from Burnley[/p][/quote]...and Vokes, make a nice value deal, and enable us to seamlessly change gear without substituting the work ethic. This makes for subtle changes to our style where THE TEAM have not been finishing regularly. This would take the pressure of SRL -who seems to be the nub of veiled criticism since Dani Nob left- despite making the single best attacking manoeuvre of Saturday, and still being immense for the team -if only he had a foreign sounding name or was a Brazilian-OK, forget that, we're in real Aunt Sally territory now. lowe esteem
  • Score: -2

1:42pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Santa Retfordia says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Top quality strikers are hard to come by.
I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea
Anyone else got any ideas?
That's the hard part.

Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?
Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO

Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U

Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos

Any 2 of that lot please
Someone like Remy is exactly who we need - fast, powerful and with that element of surprise about them.

But we do need to make sure that whoever we go for fits into our mental profile and buys into the team ethic. That's the difficult thing with strikers - they do quite often tend to be egotistical knobwands.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Top quality strikers are hard to come by. I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea Anyone else got any ideas?[/p][/quote]That's the hard part. Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?[/p][/quote]Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos Any 2 of that lot please[/p][/quote]Someone like Remy is exactly who we need - fast, powerful and with that element of surprise about them. But we do need to make sure that whoever we go for fits into our mental profile and buys into the team ethic. That's the difficult thing with strikers - they do quite often tend to be egotistical knobwands. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 2

2:16pm Mon 3 Mar 14

The Straight Shooter says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Top quality strikers are hard to come by.
I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea
Anyone else got any ideas?
That's the hard part.

Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?
Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO

Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U

Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos

Any 2 of that lot please
Someone like Remy is exactly who we need - fast, powerful and with that element of surprise about them.

But we do need to make sure that whoever we go for fits into our mental profile and buys into the team ethic. That's the difficult thing with strikers - they do quite often tend to be egotistical knobwands.
What are you on about "mental profile" and "team ethic". We are trying to bring in some quality players, not help Sir Alan find his apprentice. Let's say it the way it is, we want a quality striker who has a good attitude. You can leave out the rest of the guff and pie charts.
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Top quality strikers are hard to come by. I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea Anyone else got any ideas?[/p][/quote]That's the hard part. Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?[/p][/quote]Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos Any 2 of that lot please[/p][/quote]Someone like Remy is exactly who we need - fast, powerful and with that element of surprise about them. But we do need to make sure that whoever we go for fits into our mental profile and buys into the team ethic. That's the difficult thing with strikers - they do quite often tend to be egotistical knobwands.[/p][/quote]What are you on about "mental profile" and "team ethic". We are trying to bring in some quality players, not help Sir Alan find his apprentice. Let's say it the way it is, we want a quality striker who has a good attitude. You can leave out the rest of the guff and pie charts. The Straight Shooter
  • Score: 3

2:41pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Cincinnati says...

There has to been a quality striker out there that we can afford who can convert the half chances that come our way that are regularly being missed right now. Example being the chance that Rodriguez missed in the first half from deep inside the penalty box. Frequently opportunities like that are not converted into a goal. Despite all the beautiful football the team regularly plays the end product is not there. The strikers really labour to score. It is hard work for them. We are also starting to leak goals on a regular basis now. 6 in just the past two games alone. A few months ago the back four was very tight. The fullbacks are obviously a part of the club's future and Lovren has proved to be a quality center back. Nothing against Fonte, he works very hard and is a great team member, but there is a weakness in that back four somewhere. I feel that a second center back of the level of Lovren is greatly needed. Just my observations after having seen every game this season both home and away with the exception of the Hull game at home.
There has to been a quality striker out there that we can afford who can convert the half chances that come our way that are regularly being missed right now. Example being the chance that Rodriguez missed in the first half from deep inside the penalty box. Frequently opportunities like that are not converted into a goal. Despite all the beautiful football the team regularly plays the end product is not there. The strikers really labour to score. It is hard work for them. We are also starting to leak goals on a regular basis now. 6 in just the past two games alone. A few months ago the back four was very tight. The fullbacks are obviously a part of the club's future and Lovren has proved to be a quality center back. Nothing against Fonte, he works very hard and is a great team member, but there is a weakness in that back four somewhere. I feel that a second center back of the level of Lovren is greatly needed. Just my observations after having seen every game this season both home and away with the exception of the Hull game at home. Cincinnati
  • Score: -2

3:00pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

The Straight Shooter wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Top quality strikers are hard to come by.
I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea
Anyone else got any ideas?
That's the hard part.

Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?
Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO

Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U

Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos

Any 2 of that lot please
Someone like Remy is exactly who we need - fast, powerful and with that element of surprise about them.

But we do need to make sure that whoever we go for fits into our mental profile and buys into the team ethic. That's the difficult thing with strikers - they do quite often tend to be egotistical knobwands.
What are you on about "mental profile" and "team ethic". We are trying to bring in some quality players, not help Sir Alan find his apprentice. Let's say it the way it is, we want a quality striker who has a good attitude. You can leave out the rest of the guff and pie charts.
Retford, why did you mention egotistical knobwands?
[quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Top quality strikers are hard to come by. I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea Anyone else got any ideas?[/p][/quote]That's the hard part. Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?[/p][/quote]Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos Any 2 of that lot please[/p][/quote]Someone like Remy is exactly who we need - fast, powerful and with that element of surprise about them. But we do need to make sure that whoever we go for fits into our mental profile and buys into the team ethic. That's the difficult thing with strikers - they do quite often tend to be egotistical knobwands.[/p][/quote]What are you on about "mental profile" and "team ethic". We are trying to bring in some quality players, not help Sir Alan find his apprentice. Let's say it the way it is, we want a quality striker who has a good attitude. You can leave out the rest of the guff and pie charts.[/p][/quote]Retford, why did you mention egotistical knobwands? Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: -1

3:02pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

saints fan #1 wrote:
young goal scoring talent waiting to be discovered and would fit in well at SAINTS.
2 Marvin Ducksch Borussia Dortmund II
3 Timo Werner VfB Stuttgart II
4 Donis Avdijaj FC Schalke 04 U19
6 Shawn Parker 1.FSV Mainz 05
7 Kacper Przybylko 1.FC Köln
8 Philipp Hofmann FC Schalke 04 – SC Paderborn 07
9 Aleksandr Kozlov Spartak Moskau
10 Niclas Füllkrug SV Werder Bremen
11 Nils Quaschner FC Hansa Rostock
12 Max Meyer FC Schalke 04
13 Said Benkarit Borussia Dortmund U19
I don't know any of them but I'll take your word for it. There's certainly some good scrable winners there.
[quote][p][bold]saints fan #1[/bold] wrote: young goal scoring talent waiting to be discovered and would fit in well at SAINTS. 2 Marvin Ducksch Borussia Dortmund II 3 Timo Werner VfB Stuttgart II 4 Donis Avdijaj FC Schalke 04 U19 6 Shawn Parker 1.FSV Mainz 05 7 Kacper Przybylko 1.FC Köln 8 Philipp Hofmann FC Schalke 04 – SC Paderborn 07 9 Aleksandr Kozlov Spartak Moskau 10 Niclas Füllkrug SV Werder Bremen 11 Nils Quaschner FC Hansa Rostock 12 Max Meyer FC Schalke 04 13 Said Benkarit Borussia Dortmund U19[/p][/quote]I don't know any of them but I'll take your word for it. There's certainly some good scrable winners there. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 2

3:03pm Mon 3 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Jon Forte wrote:
Don't forget about me. I've been training hard and am pushing for a place in the team. It's been a long time but I really feel I can make a difference and give Rickie some much needed support up top. Watch this space.
#FORTEknox back in the game....
May be the Invisible man that was mentioned in a lot of tweets lately!
[quote][p][bold]Jon Forte[/bold] wrote: Don't forget about me. I've been training hard and am pushing for a place in the team. It's been a long time but I really feel I can make a difference and give Rickie some much needed support up top. Watch this space. #FORTEknox back in the game....[/p][/quote]May be the Invisible man that was mentioned in a lot of tweets lately! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -6

3:04pm Mon 3 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
saints fan #1 wrote:
young goal scoring talent waiting to be discovered and would fit in well at SAINTS.
2 Marvin Ducksch Borussia Dortmund II
3 Timo Werner VfB Stuttgart II
4 Donis Avdijaj FC Schalke 04 U19
6 Shawn Parker 1.FSV Mainz 05
7 Kacper Przybylko 1.FC Köln
8 Philipp Hofmann FC Schalke 04 – SC Paderborn 07
9 Aleksandr Kozlov Spartak Moskau
10 Niclas Füllkrug SV Werder Bremen
11 Nils Quaschner FC Hansa Rostock
12 Max Meyer FC Schalke 04
13 Said Benkarit Borussia Dortmund U19
I don't know any of them but I'll take your word for it. There's certainly some good scrable winners there.
Any known price tags?
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saints fan #1[/bold] wrote: young goal scoring talent waiting to be discovered and would fit in well at SAINTS. 2 Marvin Ducksch Borussia Dortmund II 3 Timo Werner VfB Stuttgart II 4 Donis Avdijaj FC Schalke 04 U19 6 Shawn Parker 1.FSV Mainz 05 7 Kacper Przybylko 1.FC Köln 8 Philipp Hofmann FC Schalke 04 – SC Paderborn 07 9 Aleksandr Kozlov Spartak Moskau 10 Niclas Füllkrug SV Werder Bremen 11 Nils Quaschner FC Hansa Rostock 12 Max Meyer FC Schalke 04 13 Said Benkarit Borussia Dortmund U19[/p][/quote]I don't know any of them but I'll take your word for it. There's certainly some good scrable winners there.[/p][/quote]Any known price tags? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -6

3:05pm Mon 3 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
saints fan #1 wrote:
young goal scoring talent waiting to be discovered and would fit in well at SAINTS.
2 Marvin Ducksch Borussia Dortmund II
3 Timo Werner VfB Stuttgart II
4 Donis Avdijaj FC Schalke 04 U19
6 Shawn Parker 1.FSV Mainz 05
7 Kacper Przybylko 1.FC Köln
8 Philipp Hofmann FC Schalke 04 – SC Paderborn 07
9 Aleksandr Kozlov Spartak Moskau
10 Niclas Füllkrug SV Werder Bremen
11 Nils Quaschner FC Hansa Rostock
12 Max Meyer FC Schalke 04
13 Said Benkarit Borussia Dortmund U19
I don't know any of them but I'll take your word for it. There's certainly some good scrable winners there.
With that spelling you wouldn't get far in a game of Scrabble!
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saints fan #1[/bold] wrote: young goal scoring talent waiting to be discovered and would fit in well at SAINTS. 2 Marvin Ducksch Borussia Dortmund II 3 Timo Werner VfB Stuttgart II 4 Donis Avdijaj FC Schalke 04 U19 6 Shawn Parker 1.FSV Mainz 05 7 Kacper Przybylko 1.FC Köln 8 Philipp Hofmann FC Schalke 04 – SC Paderborn 07 9 Aleksandr Kozlov Spartak Moskau 10 Niclas Füllkrug SV Werder Bremen 11 Nils Quaschner FC Hansa Rostock 12 Max Meyer FC Schalke 04 13 Said Benkarit Borussia Dortmund U19[/p][/quote]I don't know any of them but I'll take your word for it. There's certainly some good scrable winners there.[/p][/quote]With that spelling you wouldn't get far in a game of Scrabble! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -6

3:08pm Mon 3 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Top quality strikers are hard to come by.
I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea
Anyone else got any ideas?
That's the hard part.

Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?
Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO

Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U

Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos

Any 2 of that lot please
Do you mean la cuckoo or Romelu Lukaku? Otherwise some reasonable punts.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Top quality strikers are hard to come by. I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea Anyone else got any ideas?[/p][/quote]That's the hard part. Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?[/p][/quote]Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos Any 2 of that lot please[/p][/quote]Do you mean la cuckoo or Romelu Lukaku? Otherwise some reasonable punts. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -7

3:27pm Mon 3 Mar 14

The Straight Shooter says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
The Straight Shooter wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Top quality strikers are hard to come by.
I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea
Anyone else got any ideas?
That's the hard part.

Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?
Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO

Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U

Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos

Any 2 of that lot please
Someone like Remy is exactly who we need - fast, powerful and with that element of surprise about them.

But we do need to make sure that whoever we go for fits into our mental profile and buys into the team ethic. That's the difficult thing with strikers - they do quite often tend to be egotistical knobwands.
What are you on about "mental profile" and "team ethic". We are trying to bring in some quality players, not help Sir Alan find his apprentice. Let's say it the way it is, we want a quality striker who has a good attitude. You can leave out the rest of the guff and pie charts.
Retford, why did you mention egotistical knobwands?
You're right! It's almost as if he knew you were going to post something.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Top quality strikers are hard to come by. I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea Anyone else got any ideas?[/p][/quote]That's the hard part. Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?[/p][/quote]Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos Any 2 of that lot please[/p][/quote]Someone like Remy is exactly who we need - fast, powerful and with that element of surprise about them. But we do need to make sure that whoever we go for fits into our mental profile and buys into the team ethic. That's the difficult thing with strikers - they do quite often tend to be egotistical knobwands.[/p][/quote]What are you on about "mental profile" and "team ethic". We are trying to bring in some quality players, not help Sir Alan find his apprentice. Let's say it the way it is, we want a quality striker who has a good attitude. You can leave out the rest of the guff and pie charts.[/p][/quote]Retford, why did you mention egotistical knobwands?[/p][/quote]You're right! It's almost as if he knew you were going to post something. The Straight Shooter
  • Score: -2

3:50pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Jesus_02 says...

Dubai-saints89 wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote: Top quality strikers are hard to come by. I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea Anyone else got any ideas?
Danny Ings from Burnley
I cant imagine that he would be a popular choice as he is "unproven".

Personally I think he would play his heart out and fit into the team ethic seamlessly. I also think that buying him would not shut the door on Sam Gallagher which is important to retain the right level of competition.
[quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Top quality strikers are hard to come by. I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea Anyone else got any ideas?[/p][/quote]Danny Ings from Burnley[/p][/quote]I cant imagine that he would be a popular choice as he is "unproven". Personally I think he would play his heart out and fit into the team ethic seamlessly. I also think that buying him would not shut the door on Sam Gallagher which is important to retain the right level of competition. Jesus_02
  • Score: 0

3:58pm Mon 3 Mar 14

worried of n e hampshire says...

The Straight Shooter wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Top quality strikers are hard to come by.
I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea
Anyone else got any ideas?
That's the hard part.

Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?
Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO

Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U

Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos

Any 2 of that lot please
Someone like Remy is exactly who we need - fast, powerful and with that element of surprise about them.

But we do need to make sure that whoever we go for fits into our mental profile and buys into the team ethic. That's the difficult thing with strikers - they do quite often tend to be egotistical knobwands.
What are you on about "mental profile" and "team ethic". We are trying to bring in some quality players, not help Sir Alan find his apprentice. Let's say it the way it is, we want a quality striker who has a good attitude. You can leave out the rest of the guff and pie charts.
can he bite people?
[quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Top quality strikers are hard to come by. I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea Anyone else got any ideas?[/p][/quote]That's the hard part. Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?[/p][/quote]Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos Any 2 of that lot please[/p][/quote]Someone like Remy is exactly who we need - fast, powerful and with that element of surprise about them. But we do need to make sure that whoever we go for fits into our mental profile and buys into the team ethic. That's the difficult thing with strikers - they do quite often tend to be egotistical knobwands.[/p][/quote]What are you on about "mental profile" and "team ethic". We are trying to bring in some quality players, not help Sir Alan find his apprentice. Let's say it the way it is, we want a quality striker who has a good attitude. You can leave out the rest of the guff and pie charts.[/p][/quote]can he bite people? worried of n e hampshire
  • Score: 1

4:03pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Jesus_02 says...

SaintJD wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote: Just a clinical striker would have won us the last few games, even with the existing defence, but if you can't put the chances you make away,sooner or later,the other team will,and then its game over.
And what does it say about England that we have two strikers in the national team? I do think that while Simon Carter points to a huge gulf between us and European football I do think in actual fact that Saturday proved beyond doubt that clinical strikers win you games... convincingly. We managed to make a lot of brilliant chances look like half chances by ballooning them over the bar or hitting lame shots. In my opinion, if we had one or two class strikers (one with pace who can cut in) and two more top quality centre back options, we'd be flying and have the depth of squad we need - the midfield options are pretty deep already if you consider our midfielders to be three solid hard working and skillful players from a pool of: JWP, Cork, Spider, Davis, Adam, Gaston and Wanyama. But we desperately need more striking options as shown on Saturday and particularly another target man and a pacey J-Rod/Sturridge style wide attacker for the other flank (Ince/Zaha or someone from Europe). And defensively we just don't have enough depth bar on the right side. Left back and centre back positions need to be strengthened. In my opinion we need: experienced (25-28 range) target man and experienced international centre back x2, young wide attacker and left back cover. Ideally I'd also like a better back-up or first choice option in goal to challenge Artur. Then we're looking pretty good. And I don't think that necessarily means spending more money than we did on Gaston and Osvaldo combined and, frankly, we may not need to spend anything if we can get a decent amount back on those two. So we don't actually need to spend in the summer - we just need to redistribute the money we spent on them and potentially Maya, who's been slightly lacking in the last couple of games in my opinion.
So basically you want.

Experienced 20+ "target Man",
Zaha or Ince,
Experienced International CB
Experienced International CB
a Keeper better than Boruc and
a quality Left Back that is happy to play second fiddle to Shaw

In return for....

Gaston Ramerez and Oszaldo... Oh and Maybe Yoshida
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Just a clinical striker would have won us the last few games, even with the existing defence, but if you can't put the chances you make away,sooner or later,the other team will,and then its game over.[/p][/quote]And what does it say about England that we have two strikers in the national team? I do think that while Simon Carter points to a huge gulf between us and European football I do think in actual fact that Saturday proved beyond doubt that clinical strikers win you games... convincingly. We managed to make a lot of brilliant chances look like half chances by ballooning them over the bar or hitting lame shots. In my opinion, if we had one or two class strikers (one with pace who can cut in) and two more top quality centre back options, we'd be flying and have the depth of squad we need - the midfield options are pretty deep already if you consider our midfielders to be three solid hard working and skillful players from a pool of: JWP, Cork, Spider, Davis, Adam, Gaston and Wanyama. But we desperately need more striking options as shown on Saturday and particularly another target man and a pacey J-Rod/Sturridge style wide attacker for the other flank (Ince/Zaha or someone from Europe). And defensively we just don't have enough depth bar on the right side. Left back and centre back positions need to be strengthened. In my opinion we need: experienced (25-28 range) target man and experienced international centre back x2, young wide attacker and left back cover. Ideally I'd also like a better back-up or first choice option in goal to challenge Artur. Then we're looking pretty good. And I don't think that necessarily means spending more money than we did on Gaston and Osvaldo combined and, frankly, we may not need to spend anything if we can get a decent amount back on those two. So we don't actually need to spend in the summer - we just need to redistribute the money we spent on them and potentially Maya, who's been slightly lacking in the last couple of games in my opinion.[/p][/quote]So basically you want. Experienced 20+ "target Man", Zaha or Ince, Experienced International CB Experienced International CB a Keeper better than Boruc and a quality Left Back that is happy to play second fiddle to Shaw In return for.... Gaston Ramerez and Oszaldo... Oh and Maybe Yoshida Jesus_02
  • Score: 0

4:06pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Jesus_02 says...

Cincinnati wrote:
There has to been a quality striker out there that we can afford who can convert the half chances that come our way that are regularly being missed right now. Example being the chance that Rodriguez missed in the first half from deep inside the penalty box. Frequently opportunities like that are not converted into a goal. Despite all the beautiful football the team regularly plays the end product is not there. The strikers really labour to score. It is hard work for them. We are also starting to leak goals on a regular basis now. 6 in just the past two games alone. A few months ago the back four was very tight. The fullbacks are obviously a part of the club's future and Lovren has proved to be a quality center back. Nothing against Fonte, he works very hard and is a great team member, but there is a weakness in that back four somewhere. I feel that a second center back of the level of Lovren is greatly needed. Just my observations after having seen every game this season both home and away with the exception of the Hull game at home.
Shaw had a poor game defensivley and I fealt Clyne would have been better than Chambers..

Also we did (uncharictaristicly) lose the ball in midfield quite a bit, Morgan didnt have a great game
[quote][p][bold]Cincinnati[/bold] wrote: There has to been a quality striker out there that we can afford who can convert the half chances that come our way that are regularly being missed right now. Example being the chance that Rodriguez missed in the first half from deep inside the penalty box. Frequently opportunities like that are not converted into a goal. Despite all the beautiful football the team regularly plays the end product is not there. The strikers really labour to score. It is hard work for them. We are also starting to leak goals on a regular basis now. 6 in just the past two games alone. A few months ago the back four was very tight. The fullbacks are obviously a part of the club's future and Lovren has proved to be a quality center back. Nothing against Fonte, he works very hard and is a great team member, but there is a weakness in that back four somewhere. I feel that a second center back of the level of Lovren is greatly needed. Just my observations after having seen every game this season both home and away with the exception of the Hull game at home.[/p][/quote]Shaw had a poor game defensivley and I fealt Clyne would have been better than Chambers.. Also we did (uncharictaristicly) lose the ball in midfield quite a bit, Morgan didnt have a great game Jesus_02
  • Score: 2

4:06pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Positively4thStreet says...

worried of n e hampshire wrote:
The Straight Shooter wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Top quality strikers are hard to come by.
I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea
Anyone else got any ideas?
That's the hard part.

Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?
Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO

Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U

Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos

Any 2 of that lot please
Someone like Remy is exactly who we need - fast, powerful and with that element of surprise about them.

But we do need to make sure that whoever we go for fits into our mental profile and buys into the team ethic. That's the difficult thing with strikers - they do quite often tend to be egotistical knobwands.
What are you on about "mental profile" and "team ethic". We are trying to bring in some quality players, not help Sir Alan find his apprentice. Let's say it the way it is, we want a quality striker who has a good attitude. You can leave out the rest of the guff and pie charts.
can he bite people?
Apparently Suarez recently became dissatisfied with the woolley hat the club had issued him for training,and took a bite out of it...it's a bad hat he chewed.
[quote][p][bold]worried of n e hampshire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Top quality strikers are hard to come by. I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea Anyone else got any ideas?[/p][/quote]That's the hard part. Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?[/p][/quote]Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos Any 2 of that lot please[/p][/quote]Someone like Remy is exactly who we need - fast, powerful and with that element of surprise about them. But we do need to make sure that whoever we go for fits into our mental profile and buys into the team ethic. That's the difficult thing with strikers - they do quite often tend to be egotistical knobwands.[/p][/quote]What are you on about "mental profile" and "team ethic". We are trying to bring in some quality players, not help Sir Alan find his apprentice. Let's say it the way it is, we want a quality striker who has a good attitude. You can leave out the rest of the guff and pie charts.[/p][/quote]can he bite people?[/p][/quote]Apparently Suarez recently became dissatisfied with the woolley hat the club had issued him for training,and took a bite out of it...it's a bad hat he chewed. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -2

4:22pm Mon 3 Mar 14

bathsaints says...

Micah Richards as a CB who is proven and yet doesn't get much game time or Vermalen from Arsenal?

Remy, Lukaku or Benteke - big strong strikers who surely would want to come to a proper footballing team?
Micah Richards as a CB who is proven and yet doesn't get much game time or Vermalen from Arsenal? Remy, Lukaku or Benteke - big strong strikers who surely would want to come to a proper footballing team? bathsaints
  • Score: 3

4:28pm Mon 3 Mar 14

warrens 76 says...

For high quality players Adam and Jay do not exactly cover themselves in glory in front of goal, scoring is the rare exception not the rule…

This season missed chances that the top four score for fun have ruined our superb possession and pressure…

If the finishing was in the class of the rest of our play (apart from defending) the Echo would not need to write this article, however it is'nt so they have..
Adam is a much improved player from last year nonetheless his finishing is often abysmal…

JRod as a striker should really be on 20+…imagine Suarez on the end of the chances both have had all season and he would have 40 goals for us, that would have changed our points total massively..

I know we all want a proven scorer up front but these two hitting the net with reasonable frequency would go a long way to solving our goalscoring issues.
For high quality players Adam and Jay do not exactly cover themselves in glory in front of goal, scoring is the rare exception not the rule… This season missed chances that the top four score for fun have ruined our superb possession and pressure… If the finishing was in the class of the rest of our play (apart from defending) the Echo would not need to write this article, however it is'nt so they have.. Adam is a much improved player from last year nonetheless his finishing is often abysmal… JRod as a striker should really be on 20+…imagine Suarez on the end of the chances both have had all season and he would have 40 goals for us, that would have changed our points total massively.. I know we all want a proven scorer up front but these two hitting the net with reasonable frequency would go a long way to solving our goalscoring issues. warrens 76
  • Score: 3

5:19pm Mon 3 Mar 14

the_elf says...

Reality check please. Who are the season on season 20 goal + strikers in the PL that would want to come here. Man U buy RVP after years of fits and starts and pay Spud-U-like £300k per week. Suarez wasn't sold for £40m, Silva or Aguero wouldn't be less than that. We have a ground roughly half that of Arsenal and less than half of Man U. Man City and Chelsea have deep pockets. Why are we even talking about top four? I want Southampton to look to clubs like Everton who appear to balance budgets, get decent loan signings and are regularly in the top 8 without running the financial risks that Poopey and Leeds have been through.
Be careful with what you wish for, I think top half is a fantastic result for us, stop peddling the lie that the only way forward is top 4 as I think it's a dangerous road.
Reality check please. Who are the season on season 20 goal + strikers in the PL that would want to come here. Man U buy RVP after years of fits and starts and pay Spud-U-like £300k per week. Suarez wasn't sold for £40m, Silva or Aguero wouldn't be less than that. We have a ground roughly half that of Arsenal and less than half of Man U. Man City and Chelsea have deep pockets. Why are we even talking about top four? I want Southampton to look to clubs like Everton who appear to balance budgets, get decent loan signings and are regularly in the top 8 without running the financial risks that Poopey and Leeds have been through. Be careful with what you wish for, I think top half is a fantastic result for us, stop peddling the lie that the only way forward is top 4 as I think it's a dangerous road. the_elf
  • Score: 8

5:28pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Londonsaint76 says...

I think Poch has to come up with a plan B. We don't play with much width especially if teams put someone up against Shaw and Chambers/Clyne. I am convinced this is why Lambert hasn't been scoring many as (a) basically he's not getting the service (b) he is paying a deeper role.

I know AL and JR are there to create but I can't remember from the last several home games when I have seen them put a pin point cross in from the wing. We seem to want to play through the middle and walk the ball in, which is great but when this isn't working wouldn't be great to see a pacey wide man come on. We do also need to replace Osvaldo.
I think Poch has to come up with a plan B. We don't play with much width especially if teams put someone up against Shaw and Chambers/Clyne. I am convinced this is why Lambert hasn't been scoring many as (a) basically he's not getting the service (b) he is paying a deeper role. I know AL and JR are there to create but I can't remember from the last several home games when I have seen them put a pin point cross in from the wing. We seem to want to play through the middle and walk the ball in, which is great but when this isn't working wouldn't be great to see a pacey wide man come on. We do also need to replace Osvaldo. Londonsaint76
  • Score: 1

6:04pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Velleity says...

george chivers wrote:
Velleity wrote:
I've said it before. We need the striker we wanted Dani to be. SRL isn't netting them like he did and will decline as he ages (even our heroes get older). JR is excellent but not quite there,

We also need cover/replacement for centre-back.

Not sure we need a great deal more (thought I'd LIKE more), which is a testament to the quality already in the squad.
I agree with what you are saying, but you are making the assumption all of our key players will be here for next season. I think that is a dangerous assumption especially with the WC coming up. Brazil will be crawling with agents tapping up players for top clubs. And we will be vulnerable if our key players have a good tournament. The lure of a double or treble pay deal will cut through loyalty like a knife through butter.

I know you will say I'm not being positive and my glass is half empty but I think that is a realistic view.
They are all on long contracts. Don't underestimate the power that gives us. The player would have to WANT to leave and the amount offered would have to be enough for us to WANT to sell.

The usual argument trotted out at this point is "Well the player will just stop trying if he's not sold". Doubtful, as he'd be reducing his future value every day he didn't put in effort.

If anyone goes, it will be because the club is offered more than we think the player's worth. So, by definition, it will be an amount with which the club believes it can buy a player who will make more difference.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: I've said it before. We need the striker we wanted Dani to be. SRL isn't netting them like he did and will decline as he ages (even our heroes get older). JR is excellent but not quite there, We also need cover/replacement for centre-back. Not sure we need a great deal more (thought I'd LIKE more), which is a testament to the quality already in the squad.[/p][/quote]I agree with what you are saying, but you are making the assumption all of our key players will be here for next season. I think that is a dangerous assumption especially with the WC coming up. Brazil will be crawling with agents tapping up players for top clubs. And we will be vulnerable if our key players have a good tournament. The lure of a double or treble pay deal will cut through loyalty like a knife through butter. I know you will say I'm not being positive and my glass is half empty but I think that is a realistic view.[/p][/quote]They are all on long contracts. Don't underestimate the power that gives us. The player would have to WANT to leave and the amount offered would have to be enough for us to WANT to sell. The usual argument trotted out at this point is "Well the player will just stop trying if he's not sold". Doubtful, as he'd be reducing his future value every day he didn't put in effort. If anyone goes, it will be because the club is offered more than we think the player's worth. So, by definition, it will be an amount with which the club believes it can buy a player who will make more difference. Velleity
  • Score: 2

6:38pm Mon 3 Mar 14

lowe esteem says...

The Straight Shooter wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Top quality strikers are hard to come by.
I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea
Anyone else got any ideas?
That's the hard part.

Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?
Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO

Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U

Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos

Any 2 of that lot please
Someone like Remy is exactly who we need - fast, powerful and with that element of surprise about them.

But we do need to make sure that whoever we go for fits into our mental profile and buys into the team ethic. That's the difficult thing with strikers - they do quite often tend to be egotistical knobwands.
What are you on about "mental profile" and "team ethic". We are trying to bring in some quality players, not help Sir Alan find his apprentice. Let's say it the way it is, we want a quality striker who has a good attitude. You can leave out the rest of the guff and pie charts.
Speak yer mind, and mind yer speech, keep those names under your big hat, maestro. We need a few more goalscorers, it's not rocket science rude boy.
See, we can all belittle someone else's input with gobshite, well done.
[quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Top quality strikers are hard to come by. I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea Anyone else got any ideas?[/p][/quote]That's the hard part. Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?[/p][/quote]Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos Any 2 of that lot please[/p][/quote]Someone like Remy is exactly who we need - fast, powerful and with that element of surprise about them. But we do need to make sure that whoever we go for fits into our mental profile and buys into the team ethic. That's the difficult thing with strikers - they do quite often tend to be egotistical knobwands.[/p][/quote]What are you on about "mental profile" and "team ethic". We are trying to bring in some quality players, not help Sir Alan find his apprentice. Let's say it the way it is, we want a quality striker who has a good attitude. You can leave out the rest of the guff and pie charts.[/p][/quote]Speak yer mind, and mind yer speech, keep those names under your big hat, maestro. We need a few more goalscorers, it's not rocket science rude boy. See, we can all belittle someone else's input with gobshite, well done. lowe esteem
  • Score: 1

7:04pm Mon 3 Mar 14

mickey01 says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Top quality strikers are hard to come by.
I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea
Anyone else got any ideas?
That's the hard part.

Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?
Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO

Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U

Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos

Any 2 of that lot please
Someone like Remy is exactly who we need - fast, powerful and with that element of surprise about them.

But we do need to make sure that whoever we go for fits into our mental profile and buys into the team ethic. That's the difficult thing with strikers - they do quite often tend to be egotistical knobwands.
chamakh of palace would be worth alook
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Top quality strikers are hard to come by. I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea Anyone else got any ideas?[/p][/quote]That's the hard part. Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?[/p][/quote]Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos Any 2 of that lot please[/p][/quote]Someone like Remy is exactly who we need - fast, powerful and with that element of surprise about them. But we do need to make sure that whoever we go for fits into our mental profile and buys into the team ethic. That's the difficult thing with strikers - they do quite often tend to be egotistical knobwands.[/p][/quote]chamakh of palace would be worth alook mickey01
  • Score: -12

7:04pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Baba Booey says...

lowe esteem wrote:
The Straight Shooter wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Top quality strikers are hard to come by.
I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea
Anyone else got any ideas?
That's the hard part.

Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?
Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO

Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U

Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos

Any 2 of that lot please
Someone like Remy is exactly who we need - fast, powerful and with that element of surprise about them.

But we do need to make sure that whoever we go for fits into our mental profile and buys into the team ethic. That's the difficult thing with strikers - they do quite often tend to be egotistical knobwands.
What are you on about "mental profile" and "team ethic". We are trying to bring in some quality players, not help Sir Alan find his apprentice. Let's say it the way it is, we want a quality striker who has a good attitude. You can leave out the rest of the guff and pie charts.
Speak yer mind, and mind yer speech, keep those names under your big hat, maestro. We need a few more goalscorers, it's not rocket science rude boy.
See, we can all belittle someone else's input with gobshite, well done.
I don't think he has any names under his hat. In fact I'd be amazed if supported the same team as the rest of us.
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Top quality strikers are hard to come by. I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea Anyone else got any ideas?[/p][/quote]That's the hard part. Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?[/p][/quote]Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos Any 2 of that lot please[/p][/quote]Someone like Remy is exactly who we need - fast, powerful and with that element of surprise about them. But we do need to make sure that whoever we go for fits into our mental profile and buys into the team ethic. That's the difficult thing with strikers - they do quite often tend to be egotistical knobwands.[/p][/quote]What are you on about "mental profile" and "team ethic". We are trying to bring in some quality players, not help Sir Alan find his apprentice. Let's say it the way it is, we want a quality striker who has a good attitude. You can leave out the rest of the guff and pie charts.[/p][/quote]Speak yer mind, and mind yer speech, keep those names under your big hat, maestro. We need a few more goalscorers, it's not rocket science rude boy. See, we can all belittle someone else's input with gobshite, well done.[/p][/quote]I don't think he has any names under his hat. In fact I'd be amazed if supported the same team as the rest of us. Baba Booey
  • Score: 0

7:06pm Mon 3 Mar 14

GHamilton says...

I think one of our problems this season, is a small one that can be sorted out on the training ground. Lallana despite having had a belter of a season, plays too far forward. He gets himself in positions that should be the domain of striker....Adam is the heart of the engine that drives this team, a wonderfull playmaker that can open a defence with movement and passing. Many times he gets in the way when he's too far forward, he needs to hang back 8 to10 yards or so. My thoughts regarding a fresh striker goes to Charle Austen; he would be great addition to our squad, give us real firepower up front without breaking the bank. We play some great stuff, beautifull to watch, we just need to tweek a little here and there....oh and play Clyne in defence!!
I think one of our problems this season, is a small one that can be sorted out on the training ground. Lallana despite having had a belter of a season, plays too far forward. He gets himself in positions that should be the domain of striker....Adam is the heart of the engine that drives this team, a wonderfull playmaker that can open a defence with movement and passing. Many times he gets in the way when he's too far forward, he needs to hang back 8 to10 yards or so. My thoughts regarding a fresh striker goes to Charle Austen; he would be great addition to our squad, give us real firepower up front without breaking the bank. We play some great stuff, beautifull to watch, we just need to tweek a little here and there....oh and play Clyne in defence!! GHamilton
  • Score: 1

7:46pm Mon 3 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

GHamilton wrote:
I think one of our problems this season, is a small one that can be sorted out on the training ground. Lallana despite having had a belter of a season, plays too far forward. He gets himself in positions that should be the domain of striker....Adam is the heart of the engine that drives this team, a wonderfull playmaker that can open a defence with movement and passing. Many times he gets in the way when he's too far forward, he needs to hang back 8 to10 yards or so. My thoughts regarding a fresh striker goes to Charle Austen; he would be great addition to our squad, give us real firepower up front without breaking the bank. We play some great stuff, beautifull to watch, we just need to tweek a little here and there....oh and play Clyne in defence!!
If you spell a players name incorrectly he automatically gets a rejection, anyway he is out of football for a while with a serious shoulder injury.
[quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: I think one of our problems this season, is a small one that can be sorted out on the training ground. Lallana despite having had a belter of a season, plays too far forward. He gets himself in positions that should be the domain of striker....Adam is the heart of the engine that drives this team, a wonderfull playmaker that can open a defence with movement and passing. Many times he gets in the way when he's too far forward, he needs to hang back 8 to10 yards or so. My thoughts regarding a fresh striker goes to Charle Austen; he would be great addition to our squad, give us real firepower up front without breaking the bank. We play some great stuff, beautifull to watch, we just need to tweek a little here and there....oh and play Clyne in defence!![/p][/quote]If you spell a players name incorrectly he automatically gets a rejection, anyway he is out of football for a while with a serious shoulder injury. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -7

10:16pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Santa Retfordia says...

The Straight Shooter wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Top quality strikers are hard to come by.
I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea
Anyone else got any ideas?
That's the hard part.

Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?
Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO

Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U

Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos

Any 2 of that lot please
Someone like Remy is exactly who we need - fast, powerful and with that element of surprise about them.

But we do need to make sure that whoever we go for fits into our mental profile and buys into the team ethic. That's the difficult thing with strikers - they do quite often tend to be egotistical knobwands.
What are you on about "mental profile" and "team ethic". We are trying to bring in some quality players, not help Sir Alan find his apprentice. Let's say it the way it is, we want a quality striker who has a good attitude. You can leave out the rest of the guff and pie charts.
Actually, "mental profile" was sort of code for "not on a rape charge" but I was being polite. You should try it.
[quote][p][bold]The Straight Shooter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Top quality strikers are hard to come by. I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea Anyone else got any ideas?[/p][/quote]That's the hard part. Isn't it a crying shame that Osvaldo turned out to be a massive, massive knobjockey?[/p][/quote]Lakaku or Remy when their loan periods are up at the end of the season We can afford either or both if we get a good price for DO Hernandez runoured to want a move from Man U Joel Campbell of Arsenal on loan to Olympiakos Any 2 of that lot please[/p][/quote]Someone like Remy is exactly who we need - fast, powerful and with that element of surprise about them. But we do need to make sure that whoever we go for fits into our mental profile and buys into the team ethic. That's the difficult thing with strikers - they do quite often tend to be egotistical knobwands.[/p][/quote]What are you on about "mental profile" and "team ethic". We are trying to bring in some quality players, not help Sir Alan find his apprentice. Let's say it the way it is, we want a quality striker who has a good attitude. You can leave out the rest of the guff and pie charts.[/p][/quote]Actually, "mental profile" was sort of code for "not on a rape charge" but I was being polite. You should try it. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 3

10:31pm Mon 3 Mar 14

mc_kni says...

Demba Ba, Joeleon Lescott, Scott Sinclair
Demba Ba, Joeleon Lescott, Scott Sinclair mc_kni
  • Score: 0

10:49pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Rank Xerox says...

Dubai-saints89 wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Top quality strikers are hard to come by.
I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea
Anyone else got any ideas?
Danny Ings from Burnley
The last Burnley purchase isn't quite doing it at the moment. Why didn't we get a striker on loan like other teams did in the Jan window?
[quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Top quality strikers are hard to come by. I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea Anyone else got any ideas?[/p][/quote]Danny Ings from Burnley[/p][/quote]The last Burnley purchase isn't quite doing it at the moment. Why didn't we get a striker on loan like other teams did in the Jan window? Rank Xerox
  • Score: 0

5:28am Tue 4 Mar 14

Rising_Son says...

lowe esteem wrote:
Dubai-saints89 wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Top quality strikers are hard to come by.
I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea
Anyone else got any ideas?
Danny Ings from Burnley
...and Vokes, make a nice value deal, and enable us to seamlessly change gear without substituting the work ethic. This makes for subtle changes to our style where THE TEAM have not been finishing regularly.
This would take the pressure of SRL -who seems to be the nub of veiled criticism since Dani Nob left- despite making the single best attacking manoeuvre of Saturday, and still being immense for the team -if only he had a foreign sounding name or was a Brazilian-OK, forget that, we're in real Aunt Sally territory now.
You mean a foreign sounding name like Rodiguez, Lallana or Clyne?
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Top quality strikers are hard to come by. I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea Anyone else got any ideas?[/p][/quote]Danny Ings from Burnley[/p][/quote]...and Vokes, make a nice value deal, and enable us to seamlessly change gear without substituting the work ethic. This makes for subtle changes to our style where THE TEAM have not been finishing regularly. This would take the pressure of SRL -who seems to be the nub of veiled criticism since Dani Nob left- despite making the single best attacking manoeuvre of Saturday, and still being immense for the team -if only he had a foreign sounding name or was a Brazilian-OK, forget that, we're in real Aunt Sally territory now.[/p][/quote]You mean a foreign sounding name like Rodiguez, Lallana or Clyne? Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

5:29am Tue 4 Mar 14

Rising_Son says...

lowe esteem wrote:
Dubai-saints89 wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Top quality strikers are hard to come by.
I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea
Anyone else got any ideas?
Danny Ings from Burnley
...and Vokes, make a nice value deal, and enable us to seamlessly change gear without substituting the work ethic. This makes for subtle changes to our style where THE TEAM have not been finishing regularly.
This would take the pressure of SRL -who seems to be the nub of veiled criticism since Dani Nob left- despite making the single best attacking manoeuvre of Saturday, and still being immense for the team -if only he had a foreign sounding name or was a Brazilian-OK, forget that, we're in real Aunt Sally territory now.
You mean a foreign sounding name like Rodrigiez, Lallana or Clyne would save him from criticism?
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Top quality strikers are hard to come by. I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea Anyone else got any ideas?[/p][/quote]Danny Ings from Burnley[/p][/quote]...and Vokes, make a nice value deal, and enable us to seamlessly change gear without substituting the work ethic. This makes for subtle changes to our style where THE TEAM have not been finishing regularly. This would take the pressure of SRL -who seems to be the nub of veiled criticism since Dani Nob left- despite making the single best attacking manoeuvre of Saturday, and still being immense for the team -if only he had a foreign sounding name or was a Brazilian-OK, forget that, we're in real Aunt Sally territory now.[/p][/quote]You mean a foreign sounding name like Rodrigiez, Lallana or Clyne would save him from criticism? Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

5:39am Tue 4 Mar 14

Dubai-saints89 says...

Rank Xerox wrote:
Dubai-saints89 wrote:
Sammy2sheds wrote:
Top quality strikers are hard to come by.
I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea
Anyone else got any ideas?
Danny Ings from Burnley
The last Burnley purchase isn't quite doing it at the moment. Why didn't we get a striker on loan like other teams did in the Jan window?
like everyone else, i was hoping we would. especially the fact osvaldo left.
[quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Top quality strikers are hard to come by. I would love to try to prise Michu from Swansea Anyone else got any ideas?[/p][/quote]Danny Ings from Burnley[/p][/quote]The last Burnley purchase isn't quite doing it at the moment. Why didn't we get a striker on loan like other teams did in the Jan window?[/p][/quote]like everyone else, i was hoping we would. especially the fact osvaldo left. Dubai-saints89
  • Score: -1

8:11am Tue 4 Mar 14

BracknellSaint says...

Poacher/ goalscorer- yes. But not forgetting we need to keep up the work on Gallagher's development.
Quality CB and GK additions - If we can find, great. Does anybody know if any of the youth CB's are decent prospects?
Winger- could be an option, but perhaps Isgrove will be free of injuries and ready to give it a go?
LB back up? Isn't Targett highly rater?
Also hope to see more of Reed, and a couple more during the end of this season, and next year.
If we want to hit top 6, we will need to spend huge sums on transfers and wages if we want to do it fast. Personally, I'd be happy to establish our selves as a top 8-10 team while bringing more and more young lads through, while slowly adding outside extras for decent fees and keeping our young talent out if the grips of the big boys, and aim for that top 6 in another 3-4 years, rather than over night.
Poacher/ goalscorer- yes. But not forgetting we need to keep up the work on Gallagher's development. Quality CB and GK additions - If we can find, great. Does anybody know if any of the youth CB's are decent prospects? Winger- could be an option, but perhaps Isgrove will be free of injuries and ready to give it a go? LB back up? Isn't Targett highly rater? Also hope to see more of Reed, and a couple more during the end of this season, and next year. If we want to hit top 6, we will need to spend huge sums on transfers and wages if we want to do it fast. Personally, I'd be happy to establish our selves as a top 8-10 team while bringing more and more young lads through, while slowly adding outside extras for decent fees and keeping our young talent out if the grips of the big boys, and aim for that top 6 in another 3-4 years, rather than over night. BracknellSaint
  • Score: 1

12:25pm Tue 4 Mar 14

george chivers says...

Velleity wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Velleity wrote:
I've said it before. We need the striker we wanted Dani to be. SRL isn't netting them like he did and will decline as he ages (even our heroes get older). JR is excellent but not quite there,

We also need cover/replacement for centre-back.

Not sure we need a great deal more (thought I'd LIKE more), which is a testament to the quality already in the squad.
I agree with what you are saying, but you are making the assumption all of our key players will be here for next season. I think that is a dangerous assumption especially with the WC coming up. Brazil will be crawling with agents tapping up players for top clubs. And we will be vulnerable if our key players have a good tournament. The lure of a double or treble pay deal will cut through loyalty like a knife through butter.

I know you will say I'm not being positive and my glass is half empty but I think that is a realistic view.
They are all on long contracts. Don't underestimate the power that gives us. The player would have to WANT to leave and the amount offered would have to be enough for us to WANT to sell.

The usual argument trotted out at this point is "Well the player will just stop trying if he's not sold". Doubtful, as he'd be reducing his future value every day he didn't put in effort.

If anyone goes, it will be because the club is offered more than we think the player's worth. So, by definition, it will be an amount with which the club believes it can buy a player who will make more difference.
I just don't have the confidence in long contracts that you have. I think if a player wants to go, he will go, because the manager won't want to keep a player who's heart and mind isn't in tune with him and the club. As simple as that. Money will always rule in football because it is a short career and the days of one or two club men have gone.

I think Saints give good players long contracts so they can maximise the transfer fee coming in when they go, not because they are hoping to build a top six team out of home grown players. That's unfortunately not possible these with gates averaging 28,000. We would need to double that number to stand any chance of paying players £100,000 a week. And then there is no guarantee we could retain them. Arsenal have failed to keep players on numerous occasions and we are nowhere near them in terms of finance or support.

Sad. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see Saints in the top six with six home grown players on the pitch every week. But I don't think I will, it is just not realistic. We have become the Burnley of the 1960's but with a bit more financial stability. I just wish we had a more positive attitude towards the FA Cup then we could possibly turn a team out at Wembley with six home grown players. What a fantastic thought. But I don't think the club will take any notice of old fans like me because that's not an economic proposition either. Sadly when it comes to it I'm a realist.
COYR STID
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: I've said it before. We need the striker we wanted Dani to be. SRL isn't netting them like he did and will decline as he ages (even our heroes get older). JR is excellent but not quite there, We also need cover/replacement for centre-back. Not sure we need a great deal more (thought I'd LIKE more), which is a testament to the quality already in the squad.[/p][/quote]I agree with what you are saying, but you are making the assumption all of our key players will be here for next season. I think that is a dangerous assumption especially with the WC coming up. Brazil will be crawling with agents tapping up players for top clubs. And we will be vulnerable if our key players have a good tournament. The lure of a double or treble pay deal will cut through loyalty like a knife through butter. I know you will say I'm not being positive and my glass is half empty but I think that is a realistic view.[/p][/quote]They are all on long contracts. Don't underestimate the power that gives us. The player would have to WANT to leave and the amount offered would have to be enough for us to WANT to sell. The usual argument trotted out at this point is "Well the player will just stop trying if he's not sold". Doubtful, as he'd be reducing his future value every day he didn't put in effort. If anyone goes, it will be because the club is offered more than we think the player's worth. So, by definition, it will be an amount with which the club believes it can buy a player who will make more difference.[/p][/quote]I just don't have the confidence in long contracts that you have. I think if a player wants to go, he will go, because the manager won't want to keep a player who's heart and mind isn't in tune with him and the club. As simple as that. Money will always rule in football because it is a short career and the days of one or two club men have gone. I think Saints give good players long contracts so they can maximise the transfer fee coming in when they go, not because they are hoping to build a top six team out of home grown players. That's unfortunately not possible these with gates averaging 28,000. We would need to double that number to stand any chance of paying players £100,000 a week. And then there is no guarantee we could retain them. Arsenal have failed to keep players on numerous occasions and we are nowhere near them in terms of finance or support. Sad. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see Saints in the top six with six home grown players on the pitch every week. But I don't think I will, it is just not realistic. We have become the Burnley of the 1960's but with a bit more financial stability. I just wish we had a more positive attitude towards the FA Cup then we could possibly turn a team out at Wembley with six home grown players. What a fantastic thought. But I don't think the club will take any notice of old fans like me because that's not an economic proposition either. Sadly when it comes to it I'm a realist. COYR STID george chivers
  • Score: 0

1:08pm Tue 4 Mar 14

saints fan #1 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
saints fan #1 wrote: young goal scoring talent waiting to be discovered and would fit in well at SAINTS. 2 Marvin Ducksch Borussia Dortmund II 3 Timo Werner VfB Stuttgart II 4 Donis Avdijaj FC Schalke 04 U19 6 Shawn Parker 1.FSV Mainz 05 7 Kacper Przybylko 1.FC Köln 8 Philipp Hofmann FC Schalke 04 – SC Paderborn 07 9 Aleksandr Kozlov Spartak Moskau 10 Niclas Füllkrug SV Werder Bremen 11 Nils Quaschner FC Hansa Rostock 12 Max Meyer FC Schalke 04 13 Said Benkarit Borussia Dortmund U19
I don't know any of them but I'll take your word for it. There's certainly some good scrable winners there.
Donis Avdijaj on the radar of alot of the big clubs 34 apperances 38 goals (knows were the net is)
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saints fan #1[/bold] wrote: young goal scoring talent waiting to be discovered and would fit in well at SAINTS. 2 Marvin Ducksch Borussia Dortmund II 3 Timo Werner VfB Stuttgart II 4 Donis Avdijaj FC Schalke 04 U19 6 Shawn Parker 1.FSV Mainz 05 7 Kacper Przybylko 1.FC Köln 8 Philipp Hofmann FC Schalke 04 – SC Paderborn 07 9 Aleksandr Kozlov Spartak Moskau 10 Niclas Füllkrug SV Werder Bremen 11 Nils Quaschner FC Hansa Rostock 12 Max Meyer FC Schalke 04 13 Said Benkarit Borussia Dortmund U19[/p][/quote]I don't know any of them but I'll take your word for it. There's certainly some good scrable winners there.[/p][/quote]Donis Avdijaj on the radar of alot of the big clubs 34 apperances 38 goals (knows were the net is) saints fan #1
  • Score: 1

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