Go if St Mary's is not for you says Benali

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First published in Sport Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Senior Sports Reporter

Francis Benali hopes Saints keep hold of all their key figures this summer, but insists no one person is bigger than the club.

There is concern at St Mary’s that a number of star players could depart in the coming weeks, with Luke Shaw and Adam Lallana both currently the subject of major bids from Manchester United and Liverpool respectively.

Added to that, the future of the club’s manager, Mauricio Pochettino, is also uncertain, with the 42-year-old representing a possible replacement for the sacked Tim Sherwood at Tottenham.

Benali says tying the Argentine to a new deal might be the most crucial piece of the puzzle, as it may help settle the future of much of the squad.

But, regardless of what happens, the former left-back says no one person is more important than the club as a whole, and if anyone doesn’t want to be at St Mary’s then they should go – providing the board can secure top dollar for them.

“Personally, I want people here who want to play for Saints and want to manage Saints,” he said.

“I experienced it as a player, when teammates made it clear they wanted to leave, and, as soon as they expressed that, I would rather they go, as long as it’s right for the club as well.”

Benali added: “It’s a team game. I’ve played with players like Matt (Le Tissier), and we’re talking about players like Adam, Rickie and Luke now, who are fabulous individuals and a huge part of the club and the team’s success, but it’s a team sport.

“No one individual makes a team, and we’ve seen it not just at Southampton, but other clubs.

“There’s been times when Beckham, Cantona, Ronaldo, guys like that, have left United.

“At the time, you almost question some decisions, but ultimately you have to move on.

“Regardless of what happens this summer with Saints, that is what will happen.

“We hope they stay and they are in a Saints shirt next year, but if they’re not for whatever reason then you get on and you move on and try and continue moving forward.”

Benali is realistic about how challenging it could be for Saints to retain some of their prize assets.

He said: “Whether they stay or go, that is football. We’ve seen it for years.

“Although we’re on a much stronger financial foundation now, everybody’s got their price.

“We’ve seen that with Gareth Bale, the money that’s been paid for him, and Cristiano Ronaldo.

“If someone’s willing to pay enough then everyone’s got a price.

“Ultimately, if a player wants to leave then a deal will happen. But, from a Saints perspective, let’s hope it doesn’t.”

Benali says that, if anyone does declare a wish to leave Saints, it is vital the club ensure they get the best price possible for them.

“I think it’s crucial for the club,” he said. “If a player’s set on going, it’s only right and fair you should get the best possible deal for that player.”

However, Benali admits that, if Saints want to continue climbing the Premier League table, they must improve, not weaken, the squad this summer.

“To break through probably the ceiling we’re at at the moment, in eighth place, to go beyond that and then start challenging the top six, is one that would take huge investment and would mean keeping the kind of players we’ve got at the club at the moment, plus adding to that,” he said.

“So, if you do start losing them, it’s quite possible that it would affect your ability to be able to go and challenge from eighth place into a top-six or top-four side, so it’s going to be a crucial summer from that point of view and, depending on what happens, may determine where we will be challenging next season.”

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6:11am Mon 19 May 14

andoru says...

I like the sentiment that no player is bigger than their club but, unfortunately, in reality only the so-called 'big' clubs have the luxury of getting shot of their most talented players. Utd could afford to lose Beckham, Ronaldo etc because it's Manchester United. With its reputation, and with Alex Ferguson as boss, they knew they could attract replacements. Saints are not quite in that position yet. The club's brand has grown tremendously this past season, but we're a long way from being Man Utd. We can't simply go out and find another Luke Shaw to play for us. It's the sad truth. We need to retain our best players if we are going to grow.
I like the sentiment that no player is bigger than their club but, unfortunately, in reality only the so-called 'big' clubs have the luxury of getting shot of their most talented players. Utd could afford to lose Beckham, Ronaldo etc because it's Manchester United. With its reputation, and with Alex Ferguson as boss, they knew they could attract replacements. Saints are not quite in that position yet. The club's brand has grown tremendously this past season, but we're a long way from being Man Utd. We can't simply go out and find another Luke Shaw to play for us. It's the sad truth. We need to retain our best players if we are going to grow. andoru
  • Score: 36

6:19am Mon 19 May 14

aldermoorboy says...

We can fill a 60,000 ground go for it lets be another Barcelona.
We can fill a 60,000 ground go for it lets be another Barcelona. aldermoorboy
  • Score: 17

7:02am Mon 19 May 14

Sally Hamilton Original says...

andoru wrote:
I like the sentiment that no player is bigger than their club but, unfortunately, in reality only the so-called 'big' clubs have the luxury of getting shot of their most talented players. Utd could afford to lose Beckham, Ronaldo etc because it's Manchester United. With its reputation, and with Alex Ferguson as boss, they knew they could attract replacements. Saints are not quite in that position yet. The club's brand has grown tremendously this past season, but we're a long way from being Man Utd. We can't simply go out and find another Luke Shaw to play for us. It's the sad truth. We need to retain our best players if we are going to grow.
Totally agree... Rumours and yes only rumours , but if Sherwood came to us and we lose players, cannot see us attracting any quality. We just need MoPo to sign!!!
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: I like the sentiment that no player is bigger than their club but, unfortunately, in reality only the so-called 'big' clubs have the luxury of getting shot of their most talented players. Utd could afford to lose Beckham, Ronaldo etc because it's Manchester United. With its reputation, and with Alex Ferguson as boss, they knew they could attract replacements. Saints are not quite in that position yet. The club's brand has grown tremendously this past season, but we're a long way from being Man Utd. We can't simply go out and find another Luke Shaw to play for us. It's the sad truth. We need to retain our best players if we are going to grow.[/p][/quote]Totally agree... Rumours and yes only rumours , but if Sherwood came to us and we lose players, cannot see us attracting any quality. We just need MoPo to sign!!! Sally Hamilton Original
  • Score: 19

7:27am Mon 19 May 14

saint christopher says...

More statements of the blindingly obvious but true nevertheless.

Interesting though that all the Shaw, Lallana and Potch rumours, claims and done deals seem to have quietly evaporated from the media - Liverpool, Spurs etc now being reported as "looking at other options". Yes, Spurs allegedly looking to make official approach for Potch but given the track record of all these other transfer rumours I think even this comes only just above a reported sighting of Nessie for real credibility and substance.

Once again - the deafening silence from St Mary's means that serious matters are being discussed and decided in the right way - behind closed doors until there are definite decisions that can be made public.

IMO if we were in serious danger of Potch or anyone else going elsewhere then there we would have heard a lot more than we have. Silence is proving increasingly golden, so let's just look forward to a Saints-inspired England this summer.
More statements of the blindingly obvious but true nevertheless. Interesting though that all the Shaw, Lallana and Potch rumours, claims and done deals seem to have quietly evaporated from the media - Liverpool, Spurs etc now being reported as "looking at other options". Yes, Spurs allegedly looking to make official approach for Potch but given the track record of all these other transfer rumours I think even this comes only just above a reported sighting of Nessie for real credibility and substance. Once again - the deafening silence from St Mary's means that serious matters are being discussed and decided in the right way - behind closed doors until there are definite decisions that can be made public. IMO if we were in serious danger of Potch or anyone else going elsewhere then there we would have heard a lot more than we have. Silence is proving increasingly golden, so let's just look forward to a Saints-inspired England this summer. saint christopher
  • Score: 23

7:33am Mon 19 May 14

Saintsincethe60s says...

It may only be rumours, but the silence is deafening, It seems obvious that Poch is hedging his bets on spurs or another "bigger" club coming for him. The papers say that he has recently changed his agent for the same one as Bale so he has got every reason to push for a change of club just for a bumper pay-day that these parasites get, and the same goes for the players they are all just mercenaries with no loyalty.

I agree with Benali, if you don't want to stay then lets get top dollar from the highest bidder (after the world cup) now that they feel that they are too big for us, and move on hoping that their careers go into fast reverse.
It may only be rumours, but the silence is deafening, It seems obvious that Poch is hedging his bets on spurs or another "bigger" club coming for him. The papers say that he has recently changed his agent for the same one as Bale so he has got every reason to push for a change of club just for a bumper pay-day that these parasites get, and the same goes for the players they are all just mercenaries with no loyalty. I agree with Benali, if you don't want to stay then lets get top dollar from the highest bidder (after the world cup) now that they feel that they are too big for us, and move on hoping that their careers go into fast reverse. Saintsincethe60s
  • Score: 4

7:34am Mon 19 May 14

SiamSaint says...

saint christopher wrote:
More statements of the blindingly obvious but true nevertheless.

Interesting though that all the Shaw, Lallana and Potch rumours, claims and done deals seem to have quietly evaporated from the media - Liverpool, Spurs etc now being reported as "looking at other options". Yes, Spurs allegedly looking to make official approach for Potch but given the track record of all these other transfer rumours I think even this comes only just above a reported sighting of Nessie for real credibility and substance.

Once again - the deafening silence from St Mary's means that serious matters are being discussed and decided in the right way - behind closed doors until there are definite decisions that can be made public.

IMO if we were in serious danger of Potch or anyone else going elsewhere then there we would have heard a lot more than we have. Silence is proving increasingly golden, so let's just look forward to a Saints-inspired England this summer.
Dead right. By the way, you and me were bantering on twitter last week!
[quote][p][bold]saint christopher[/bold] wrote: More statements of the blindingly obvious but true nevertheless. Interesting though that all the Shaw, Lallana and Potch rumours, claims and done deals seem to have quietly evaporated from the media - Liverpool, Spurs etc now being reported as "looking at other options". Yes, Spurs allegedly looking to make official approach for Potch but given the track record of all these other transfer rumours I think even this comes only just above a reported sighting of Nessie for real credibility and substance. Once again - the deafening silence from St Mary's means that serious matters are being discussed and decided in the right way - behind closed doors until there are definite decisions that can be made public. IMO if we were in serious danger of Potch or anyone else going elsewhere then there we would have heard a lot more than we have. Silence is proving increasingly golden, so let's just look forward to a Saints-inspired England this summer.[/p][/quote]Dead right. By the way, you and me were bantering on twitter last week! SiamSaint
  • Score: -3

7:36am Mon 19 May 14

jls217 says...

andoru wrote:
I like the sentiment that no player is bigger than their club but, unfortunately, in reality only the so-called 'big' clubs have the luxury of getting shot of their most talented players. Utd could afford to lose Beckham, Ronaldo etc because it's Manchester United. With its reputation, and with Alex Ferguson as boss, they knew they could attract replacements. Saints are not quite in that position yet. The club's brand has grown tremendously this past season, but we're a long way from being Man Utd. We can't simply go out and find another Luke Shaw to play for us. It's the sad truth. We need to retain our best players if we are going to grow.
Whilst I agree with your notions. It still falls back on the statement that if the player (s) want to go and nothing we have to offer will convince them of their future here then we have no choice but to get the best deal for Saints. Frannie is absolutely right.
A nice little story concerning Frannie. Years ago I was in a bar in Skiverpool after a game in which Saints had just destroyed them. There were a couple of the Everton squad in there and me with my Saints shirt on, they came over and bought me a drink (Matty was their hero of the day it seems) We got to talking about football (of course) and one of them said to me that Benali had the longest tackle in football, showing I clearly did not understaned what he meant he explained that once he hit you you were still feeling it two weeks later. It tickled me.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: I like the sentiment that no player is bigger than their club but, unfortunately, in reality only the so-called 'big' clubs have the luxury of getting shot of their most talented players. Utd could afford to lose Beckham, Ronaldo etc because it's Manchester United. With its reputation, and with Alex Ferguson as boss, they knew they could attract replacements. Saints are not quite in that position yet. The club's brand has grown tremendously this past season, but we're a long way from being Man Utd. We can't simply go out and find another Luke Shaw to play for us. It's the sad truth. We need to retain our best players if we are going to grow.[/p][/quote]Whilst I agree with your notions. It still falls back on the statement that if the player (s) want to go and nothing we have to offer will convince them of their future here then we have no choice but to get the best deal for Saints. Frannie is absolutely right. A nice little story concerning Frannie. Years ago I was in a bar in Skiverpool after a game in which Saints had just destroyed them. There were a couple of the Everton squad in there and me with my Saints shirt on, they came over and bought me a drink (Matty was their hero of the day it seems) We got to talking about football (of course) and one of them said to me that Benali had the longest tackle in football, showing I clearly did not understaned what he meant he explained that once he hit you you were still feeling it two weeks later. It tickled me. jls217
  • Score: 8

7:36am Mon 19 May 14

expatsaint says...

Sure, if players - or managers - want to leave then maybe they should but that is a very simplistic view. What needs to be addressed is why they want to leave. I am sure that if the club is fully committed to moving forward, which will mean significant investment in another 3 or 4 top class signings, those potential leavers will see that maybe their aspirations (and salaries!) can be optimised at St. Mary's. Any employee, irrespective of the sector in which he works, cannot be blamed for wishing to make the most of his potential. To simply say, " well, on your bike then!" does not deal with the problem. The ball would appear to be in the club's court and the owners must make their plans and future desires clear and unmistakeable for the sake of all club staff and the loyal supporters.
Sure, if players - or managers - want to leave then maybe they should but that is a very simplistic view. What needs to be addressed is why they want to leave. I am sure that if the club is fully committed to moving forward, which will mean significant investment in another 3 or 4 top class signings, those potential leavers will see that maybe their aspirations (and salaries!) can be optimised at St. Mary's. Any employee, irrespective of the sector in which he works, cannot be blamed for wishing to make the most of his potential. To simply say, " well, on your bike then!" does not deal with the problem. The ball would appear to be in the club's court and the owners must make their plans and future desires clear and unmistakeable for the sake of all club staff and the loyal supporters. expatsaint
  • Score: 7

7:58am Mon 19 May 14

lindfieldsaint says...

I shall be disappointed if Poch goes but agree with Benali that the club goes on. Whatever fans thought of Cortese he always made shrewd managerial signings (both Akins & Pochettino were almost unknown to most Saints fans).
Our board must step up and make sure they have quality successor ready in case it is needed. I'm not completely sure how much credit Pochettino should take for our 8th position as most of the successful squad was already with the club. In fact, the one player he personally recommended (Osvaldo) has been an expensive flop. One should remember that, at the end of last season, W Brom finished in 8th position but within months of the start of the next one had sacked Steve Clarke. Similarly Swansea won the league cup and finished in the top half of the table yet Michael Laudrup failed to meet expectations and was dismissed. If MoPo stayed there is no guarantee that he will be as good next season.
The Club is always bigger than any individual.
I shall be disappointed if Poch goes but agree with Benali that the club goes on. Whatever fans thought of Cortese he always made shrewd managerial signings (both Akins & Pochettino were almost unknown to most Saints fans). Our board must step up and make sure they have quality successor ready in case it is needed. I'm not completely sure how much credit Pochettino should take for our 8th position as most of the successful squad was already with the club. In fact, the one player he personally recommended (Osvaldo) has been an expensive flop. One should remember that, at the end of last season, W Brom finished in 8th position but within months of the start of the next one had sacked Steve Clarke. Similarly Swansea won the league cup and finished in the top half of the table yet Michael Laudrup failed to meet expectations and was dismissed. If MoPo stayed there is no guarantee that he will be as good next season. The Club is always bigger than any individual. lindfieldsaint
  • Score: 23

8:11am Mon 19 May 14

justaSaintsfan says...

I reckon it is unlikely that Mauricio wants to leave Saints. I agree that keeping him at the club is paramount because it will show the intention at Southampton FC of continuing the growth we have seen for the last five years.That progress has been remarkable.

We have THREE England players due to go to Brazil and umpteen other international players at all levels. The club is obviously doing well enough to further the careers of all its players and is poised, with their help, to continue its upward trend to the next level, with the addition of just a few new players of appropriate quality.

It remains to be seen whether any of our manager or best players will want to be employed elsewhere, but the great thing is that they all seem to have a very special unity, which became apparent during their great Premier League campaign which recently ended. I have been a Saints fan for many years and had never, prior to this year, heard of several Saints players publicly stating that they want their manager to stay at the club. This is a very, very good sign that Mauricio and his players are all happy at Southampton FC. I therefore envisage that our manager will be staying with Saints, along with most of our best
I reckon it is unlikely that Mauricio wants to leave Saints. I agree that keeping him at the club is paramount because it will show the intention at Southampton FC of continuing the growth we have seen for the last five years.That progress has been remarkable. We have THREE England players due to go to Brazil and umpteen other international players at all levels. The club is obviously doing well enough to further the careers of all its players and is poised, with their help, to continue its upward trend to the next level, with the addition of just a few new players of appropriate quality. It remains to be seen whether any of our manager or best players will want to be employed elsewhere, but the great thing is that they all seem to have a very special unity, which became apparent during their great Premier League campaign which recently ended. I have been a Saints fan for many years and had never, prior to this year, heard of several Saints players publicly stating that they want their manager to stay at the club. This is a very, very good sign that Mauricio and his players are all happy at Southampton FC. I therefore envisage that our manager will be staying with Saints, along with most of our best justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 8

8:14am Mon 19 May 14

Puddletown Saint says...

I will be very honest here and if MoPo goes to Spuds I hope they all have a total disaster. He has been fantastic for us but will show we were only used as a stepping stone. Best ironic is appointing Sherwood and we finish above them. Saints forever.
I will be very honest here and if MoPo goes to Spuds I hope they all have a total disaster. He has been fantastic for us but will show we were only used as a stepping stone. Best ironic is appointing Sherwood and we finish above them. Saints forever. Puddletown Saint
  • Score: 4

8:36am Mon 19 May 14

justaSaintsfan says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
I reckon it is unlikely that Mauricio wants to leave Saints. I agree that keeping him at the club is paramount because it will show the intention at Southampton FC of continuing the growth we have seen for the last five years.That progress has been remarkable.

We have THREE England players due to go to Brazil and umpteen other international players at all levels. The club is obviously doing well enough to further the careers of all its players and is poised, with their help, to continue its upward trend to the next level, with the addition of just a few new players of appropriate quality.

It remains to be seen whether any of our manager or best players will want to be employed elsewhere, but the great thing is that they all seem to have a very special unity, which became apparent during their great Premier League campaign which recently ended. I have been a Saints fan for many years and had never, prior to this year, heard of several Saints players publicly stating that they want their manager to stay at the club. This is a very, very good sign that Mauricio and his players are all happy at Southampton FC. I therefore envisage that our manager will be staying with Saints, along with most of our best
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players, perhaps even all of them.

Francis Benali's assessment of the situation is, of course, absolutely right. It is crucial that Mauricio stays, which could be the key to keeping all our players who are on the shopping lists of other clubs.

I have the feeling as a fan that the club is currently at something of a crossroads, with its manager and better players still wanting to push onwards and upwards next season to see how far they can take themselves as a group. I believe they are already poised to stay together for next season and that they are waiting to find out if the club's intention is to add more quality to the squad through player purchases.

I agree with Francis Benali, though, that any player who wants to leave Saints must be let go and for the highest possible price. Somehow I can't see that there will be many players not wanting to find out what progress Saints can achieve next season, as they are a group of players of great unity.

I think we will have a great 2014/2015 season, with a few new players having been added to the squad. It is now up to the Saints board to keep Mauricio here and target the right new players.

Onward and upward, the Southampton Way is the only way to go!!!
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: I reckon it is unlikely that Mauricio wants to leave Saints. I agree that keeping him at the club is paramount because it will show the intention at Southampton FC of continuing the growth we have seen for the last five years.That progress has been remarkable. We have THREE England players due to go to Brazil and umpteen other international players at all levels. The club is obviously doing well enough to further the careers of all its players and is poised, with their help, to continue its upward trend to the next level, with the addition of just a few new players of appropriate quality. It remains to be seen whether any of our manager or best players will want to be employed elsewhere, but the great thing is that they all seem to have a very special unity, which became apparent during their great Premier League campaign which recently ended. I have been a Saints fan for many years and had never, prior to this year, heard of several Saints players publicly stating that they want their manager to stay at the club. This is a very, very good sign that Mauricio and his players are all happy at Southampton FC. I therefore envisage that our manager will be staying with Saints, along with most of our best[/p][/quote]Continuation . . . . . . . players, perhaps even all of them. Francis Benali's assessment of the situation is, of course, absolutely right. It is crucial that Mauricio stays, which could be the key to keeping all our players who are on the shopping lists of other clubs. I have the feeling as a fan that the club is currently at something of a crossroads, with its manager and better players still wanting to push onwards and upwards next season to see how far they can take themselves as a group. I believe they are already poised to stay together for next season and that they are waiting to find out if the club's intention is to add more quality to the squad through player purchases. I agree with Francis Benali, though, that any player who wants to leave Saints must be let go and for the highest possible price. Somehow I can't see that there will be many players not wanting to find out what progress Saints can achieve next season, as they are a group of players of great unity. I think we will have a great 2014/2015 season, with a few new players having been added to the squad. It is now up to the Saints board to keep Mauricio here and target the right new players. Onward and upward, the Southampton Way is the only way to go!!! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 8

8:37am Mon 19 May 14

Alicesdad says...

Gordon Watson didn't answer the phone then?
Gordon Watson didn't answer the phone then? Alicesdad
  • Score: 7

8:38am Mon 19 May 14

StElsass says...

Are we looking at another day of endless and pointless speculation or are we actually going to get some news today?
I think we will not get any news; but that's only speculation...
Are we looking at another day of endless and pointless speculation or are we actually going to get some news today? I think we will not get any news; but that's only speculation... StElsass
  • Score: 6

8:41am Mon 19 May 14

City Saint says...

Pochettino would be a little crazy to go to Spurs. It's where young managers like him (ie, avb and now Sherwood) are tossed aside for not meeting unreasonably high expectations.

My guess is he would give us another season if the board will make 20 million available for strengthening, and retains at least two of the shaman, Lallana and jrod, with at least half of the proceeds from selling Shaw (for example) available on top of the udder to spend.

The comments from big Dave Herrington and others point out that he has unquestioned authority over the side and training/development at saints, which he wouldn't get elsewhere.mwht not give it a go next year, with funds, to see if we can no improve on 8th? I think we could.

Although I would say that if saints can't flog osvaldo, that might put lots of the squad off coming back.... ;)
Pochettino would be a little crazy to go to Spurs. It's where young managers like him (ie, avb and now Sherwood) are tossed aside for not meeting unreasonably high expectations. My guess is he would give us another season if the board will make 20 million available for strengthening, and retains at least two of the shaman, Lallana and jrod, with at least half of the proceeds from selling Shaw (for example) available on top of the udder to spend. The comments from big Dave Herrington and others point out that he has unquestioned authority over the side and training/development at saints, which he wouldn't get elsewhere.mwht not give it a go next year, with funds, to see if we can no improve on 8th? I think we could. Although I would say that if saints can't flog osvaldo, that might put lots of the squad off coming back.... ;) City Saint
  • Score: 2

8:47am Mon 19 May 14

Malcombe says...

Frannie knows and we take it in because he's been there done it etc but money does talk in top Football, Luke is still growing not just his mind but physically and he would be wise to stay at least 2 years unless he likes the idea of seeing millions in his Bank Account at 18 years old which you can't blame him, there is not one Supporter of Southampton FC who wants him to leave and I do not think he will with MP at the Club.

I read Lawrie Mac's comments in Saturdays Echo and he thought Tim Sherwood was too outspoken to be a Manager which I agree, Sherwood did well for his short time but his comments could be seen as cynical undertones and tongue in cheek regarding his opinion of Levy which is unacceptable when Managing any Football League Team it should be a closed Shop however he could of done Southampton FC a favour because it's more Cannon Fodder of true facts to put MP off from even considering working for Levy, it doesn't mean Tim was incorrect but unfortunately for us Saints Fans it cost him the chance of continuing as Manager at Spurs, IMO he would not be popular at Southampton because like Frannie and Matt he's a one Club man, a example of keeping it within the Club is the incident with Osvaldo and Fonte we didn't hear much and do not know much not that any of us care if we didn't, what we all want the very best for Southampton FC .
Frannie knows and we take it in because he's been there done it etc but money does talk in top Football, Luke is still growing not just his mind but physically and he would be wise to stay at least 2 years unless he likes the idea of seeing millions in his Bank Account at 18 years old which you can't blame him, there is not one Supporter of Southampton FC who wants him to leave and I do not think he will with MP at the Club. I read Lawrie Mac's comments in Saturdays Echo and he thought Tim Sherwood was too outspoken to be a Manager which I agree, Sherwood did well for his short time but his comments could be seen as cynical undertones and tongue in cheek regarding his opinion of Levy which is unacceptable when Managing any Football League Team it should be a closed Shop however he could of done Southampton FC a favour because it's more Cannon Fodder of true facts to put MP off from even considering working for Levy, it doesn't mean Tim was incorrect but unfortunately for us Saints Fans it cost him the chance of continuing as Manager at Spurs, IMO he would not be popular at Southampton because like Frannie and Matt he's a one Club man, a example of keeping it within the Club is the incident with Osvaldo and Fonte we didn't hear much and do not know much not that any of us care if we didn't, what we all want the very best for Southampton FC . Malcombe
  • Score: -7

8:49am Mon 19 May 14

saintbobby says...

I may be an old **** but have supported Saints since 1959 and seen lots of change in all these years.

But for me it is still the same and I cannot help but feel a punch in the belly whenever one of our stars wants to leave. Leave the Saints, it is just not what this club is about. I am in the Ted Bates loyalty club and you do not leave our team because we are top dog for loyalty.

Just look at Matt (not called LeGod for nothing) and then Mick Channon who left but came back - to a very big welcome.

Of course, all this is pie in the sky when double pay might be achievable elsewhere and there lies the sadness of it all. I have said before, in despair, Rooney at up to £300,000 a week - well loyalty is, sadly, going to take a back seat - it is unreal but also a fact. Soddit!!

Up the Saints, forever!!!
I may be an old **** but have supported Saints since 1959 and seen lots of change in all these years. But for me it is still the same and I cannot help but feel a punch in the belly whenever one of our stars wants to leave. Leave the Saints, it is just not what this club is about. I am in the Ted Bates loyalty club and you do not leave our team because we are top dog for loyalty. Just look at Matt (not called LeGod for nothing) and then Mick Channon who left but came back - to a very big welcome. Of course, all this is pie in the sky when double pay might be achievable elsewhere and there lies the sadness of it all. I have said before, in despair, Rooney at up to £300,000 a week - well loyalty is, sadly, going to take a back seat - it is unreal but also a fact. Soddit!! Up the Saints, forever!!! saintbobby
  • Score: 12

8:59am Mon 19 May 14

Malcombe says...

City Saint have are you suffering from a hangover or do you wear Sun Glasses around the house and when typing on your Laptop? No offence just my humour kicking in.
City Saint have are you suffering from a hangover or do you wear Sun Glasses around the house and when typing on your Laptop? No offence just my humour kicking in. Malcombe
  • Score: -2

9:01am Mon 19 May 14

lowemustgo says...

The manager and the players all have their future careers at stake and the decision they have to make is whether to stay as part of a very successful project with a supportive board and really great team mates. Or to take the risk of moving to a club run by different personalities, with a bigger squad and a whole set of different values.
Clubs and players are successful when they have the right leadership (off and on the pitch) and values that make up a TEAM. Clubs that are run by egotistical, megalomaniac owners have to pay stupid money -otherwise no one would work/play for them! History is littered with managers and players (often young) who were lured away by 'dumb money' and later regretted it. (Chelsea's loan squad)
I am sure that our manager and players are intelligent enough to make sensible decisions about their future. Your career and your personal life are worth far more than whether you can earn another £10k a week on top of your existing £30k a week, by moving to a hell hole.
The manager and the players all have their future careers at stake and the decision they have to make is whether to stay as part of a very successful project with a supportive board and really great team mates. Or to take the risk of moving to a club run by different personalities, with a bigger squad and a whole set of different values. Clubs and players are successful when they have the right leadership (off and on the pitch) and values that make up a TEAM. Clubs that are run by egotistical, megalomaniac owners have to pay stupid money -otherwise no one would work/play for them! History is littered with managers and players (often young) who were lured away by 'dumb money' and later regretted it. (Chelsea's loan squad) I am sure that our manager and players are intelligent enough to make sensible decisions about their future. Your career and your personal life are worth far more than whether you can earn another £10k a week on top of your existing £30k a week, by moving to a hell hole. lowemustgo
  • Score: 4

9:15am Mon 19 May 14

warrens 76 says...

Food for thought, we are all worshiping at the alter of Adam and Luke nonetheless, we supporters ourselves can be real fickle uckers…

At the beginning of Last season AL at first was simply not up to speed with the premiership and many were not sure he was strong enough, LS was only on the fringe….now had we be offered nigh on 50 million for the pair and it was all to be reinvested we the fans would have been in ecstasy.

I do not want them to go but in some respects if they do and remember 99% of footballers are NOT Le God in talent nor loyalty I am not concerned IF the boards overall goal is to improve the team…

…provided all the proceeds and Osvaldo plus another 20-40 are invested I can actually see us being a better team if our scouting system comes up with the gems I have heard about on the QT…

Observations about Swans and WBA are very pertinent and let us not forget that for all our amazing possession we could not hit a cows 4rse with a banjo most of the time, a considerable improvement in speed and directness is required….

So from this Saint my issue is not whether AL and LS go but that we keep everyone else and vastly improve on the above areas..
Food for thought, we are all worshiping at the alter of Adam and Luke nonetheless, we supporters ourselves can be real fickle uckers… At the beginning of Last season AL at first was simply not up to speed with the premiership and many were not sure he was strong enough, LS was only on the fringe….now had we be offered nigh on 50 million for the pair and it was all to be reinvested we the fans would have been in ecstasy. I do not want them to go but in some respects if they do and remember 99% of footballers are NOT Le God in talent nor loyalty I am not concerned IF the boards overall goal is to improve the team… …provided all the proceeds and Osvaldo plus another 20-40 are invested I can actually see us being a better team if our scouting system comes up with the gems I have heard about on the QT… Observations about Swans and WBA are very pertinent and let us not forget that for all our amazing possession we could not hit a cows 4rse with a banjo most of the time, a considerable improvement in speed and directness is required…. So from this Saint my issue is not whether AL and LS go but that we keep everyone else and vastly improve on the above areas.. warrens 76
  • Score: 3

9:19am Mon 19 May 14

Confucious says...

I think Eric Pickles is bigger than the club.
I think Eric Pickles is bigger than the club. Confucious
  • Score: 8

9:22am Mon 19 May 14

Meribelsaint says...

Malcombe wrote:
Frannie knows and we take it in because he's been there done it etc but money does talk in top Football, Luke is still growing not just his mind but physically and he would be wise to stay at least 2 years unless he likes the idea of seeing millions in his Bank Account at 18 years old which you can't blame him, there is not one Supporter of Southampton FC who wants him to leave and I do not think he will with MP at the Club.

I read Lawrie Mac's comments in Saturdays Echo and he thought Tim Sherwood was too outspoken to be a Manager which I agree, Sherwood did well for his short time but his comments could be seen as cynical undertones and tongue in cheek regarding his opinion of Levy which is unacceptable when Managing any Football League Team it should be a closed Shop however he could of done Southampton FC a favour because it's more Cannon Fodder of true facts to put MP off from even considering working for Levy, it doesn't mean Tim was incorrect but unfortunately for us Saints Fans it cost him the chance of continuing as Manager at Spurs, IMO he would not be popular at Southampton because like Frannie and Matt he's a one Club man, a example of keeping it within the Club is the incident with Osvaldo and Fonte we didn't hear much and do not know much not that any of us care if we didn't, what we all want the very best for Southampton FC .
Sherwood would not be popular here because he's a prat, a skate, not very good etc. How do you figure he's a 'one club man' ? Norwich, Blackburn, Spurs, Skates....there's 4 for you, well 3 and a bit.
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: Frannie knows and we take it in because he's been there done it etc but money does talk in top Football, Luke is still growing not just his mind but physically and he would be wise to stay at least 2 years unless he likes the idea of seeing millions in his Bank Account at 18 years old which you can't blame him, there is not one Supporter of Southampton FC who wants him to leave and I do not think he will with MP at the Club. I read Lawrie Mac's comments in Saturdays Echo and he thought Tim Sherwood was too outspoken to be a Manager which I agree, Sherwood did well for his short time but his comments could be seen as cynical undertones and tongue in cheek regarding his opinion of Levy which is unacceptable when Managing any Football League Team it should be a closed Shop however he could of done Southampton FC a favour because it's more Cannon Fodder of true facts to put MP off from even considering working for Levy, it doesn't mean Tim was incorrect but unfortunately for us Saints Fans it cost him the chance of continuing as Manager at Spurs, IMO he would not be popular at Southampton because like Frannie and Matt he's a one Club man, a example of keeping it within the Club is the incident with Osvaldo and Fonte we didn't hear much and do not know much not that any of us care if we didn't, what we all want the very best for Southampton FC .[/p][/quote]Sherwood would not be popular here because he's a prat, a skate, not very good etc. How do you figure he's a 'one club man' ? Norwich, Blackburn, Spurs, Skates....there's 4 for you, well 3 and a bit. Meribelsaint
  • Score: 8

9:27am Mon 19 May 14

andoru says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Food for thought, we are all worshiping at the alter of Adam and Luke nonetheless, we supporters ourselves can be real fickle uckers…

At the beginning of Last season AL at first was simply not up to speed with the premiership and many were not sure he was strong enough, LS was only on the fringe….now had we be offered nigh on 50 million for the pair and it was all to be reinvested we the fans would have been in ecstasy.

I do not want them to go but in some respects if they do and remember 99% of footballers are NOT Le God in talent nor loyalty I am not concerned IF the boards overall goal is to improve the team…

…provided all the proceeds and Osvaldo plus another 20-40 are invested I can actually see us being a better team if our scouting system comes up with the gems I have heard about on the QT…

Observations about Swans and WBA are very pertinent and let us not forget that for all our amazing possession we could not hit a cows 4rse with a banjo most of the time, a considerable improvement in speed and directness is required….

So from this Saint my issue is not whether AL and LS go but that we keep everyone else and vastly improve on the above areas..
Not me. I've always like Adam, along with Andrew Surman who I was also disappointed to see leave us.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Food for thought, we are all worshiping at the alter of Adam and Luke nonetheless, we supporters ourselves can be real fickle uckers… At the beginning of Last season AL at first was simply not up to speed with the premiership and many were not sure he was strong enough, LS was only on the fringe….now had we be offered nigh on 50 million for the pair and it was all to be reinvested we the fans would have been in ecstasy. I do not want them to go but in some respects if they do and remember 99% of footballers are NOT Le God in talent nor loyalty I am not concerned IF the boards overall goal is to improve the team… …provided all the proceeds and Osvaldo plus another 20-40 are invested I can actually see us being a better team if our scouting system comes up with the gems I have heard about on the QT… Observations about Swans and WBA are very pertinent and let us not forget that for all our amazing possession we could not hit a cows 4rse with a banjo most of the time, a considerable improvement in speed and directness is required…. So from this Saint my issue is not whether AL and LS go but that we keep everyone else and vastly improve on the above areas..[/p][/quote]Not me. I've always like Adam, along with Andrew Surman who I was also disappointed to see leave us. andoru
  • Score: 3

9:30am Mon 19 May 14

Sheffieldsaint says...

Lets face it there is only one thing that will entice a player to a so called bigger club. It is not for the opportunity of playing Champions League football, if that were the case Man City could not have attracted all their big name players after years in the wilderness. It's money, offer any a player enough money and he will sign for anyone. This might appear to be a tad cynical but unfortunately in this age of billionaire owners it is the only thing that matters. Fact of life and we have to accept it.
Lets face it there is only one thing that will entice a player to a so called bigger club. It is not for the opportunity of playing Champions League football, if that were the case Man City could not have attracted all their big name players after years in the wilderness. It's money, offer any a player enough money and he will sign for anyone. This might appear to be a tad cynical but unfortunately in this age of billionaire owners it is the only thing that matters. Fact of life and we have to accept it. Sheffieldsaint
  • Score: 3

9:30am Mon 19 May 14

george chivers says...

saintbobby wrote:
I may be an old **** but have supported Saints since 1959 and seen lots of change in all these years.

But for me it is still the same and I cannot help but feel a punch in the belly whenever one of our stars wants to leave. Leave the Saints, it is just not what this club is about. I am in the Ted Bates loyalty club and you do not leave our team because we are top dog for loyalty.

Just look at Matt (not called LeGod for nothing) and then Mick Channon who left but came back - to a very big welcome.

Of course, all this is pie in the sky when double pay might be achievable elsewhere and there lies the sadness of it all. I have said before, in despair, Rooney at up to £300,000 a week - well loyalty is, sadly, going to take a back seat - it is unreal but also a fact. Soddit!!

Up the Saints, forever!!!
If you go to a dinner where Matt is speaking he will tell you he wanted to leave but didn't because his first wife wouldn't move to London. She wanted to stay as close as possible to home. i.e Guernsey. He will also tell you his first wife hated football and had no interest in it. If that hadn't been the case he would have gone to Spurs. I've heard him say that twice at separate dinners. We benefitted from his wife's attitude. Later on of course they were divorced.
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: I may be an old **** but have supported Saints since 1959 and seen lots of change in all these years. But for me it is still the same and I cannot help but feel a punch in the belly whenever one of our stars wants to leave. Leave the Saints, it is just not what this club is about. I am in the Ted Bates loyalty club and you do not leave our team because we are top dog for loyalty. Just look at Matt (not called LeGod for nothing) and then Mick Channon who left but came back - to a very big welcome. Of course, all this is pie in the sky when double pay might be achievable elsewhere and there lies the sadness of it all. I have said before, in despair, Rooney at up to £300,000 a week - well loyalty is, sadly, going to take a back seat - it is unreal but also a fact. Soddit!! Up the Saints, forever!!![/p][/quote]If you go to a dinner where Matt is speaking he will tell you he wanted to leave but didn't because his first wife wouldn't move to London. She wanted to stay as close as possible to home. i.e Guernsey. He will also tell you his first wife hated football and had no interest in it. If that hadn't been the case he would have gone to Spurs. I've heard him say that twice at separate dinners. We benefitted from his wife's attitude. Later on of course they were divorced. george chivers
  • Score: 3

9:42am Mon 19 May 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
andoru wrote:
I like the sentiment that no player is bigger than their club but, unfortunately, in reality only the so-called 'big' clubs have the luxury of getting shot of their most talented players. Utd could afford to lose Beckham, Ronaldo etc because it's Manchester United. With its reputation, and with Alex Ferguson as boss, they knew they could attract replacements. Saints are not quite in that position yet. The club's brand has grown tremendously this past season, but we're a long way from being Man Utd. We can't simply go out and find another Luke Shaw to play for us. It's the sad truth. We need to retain our best players if we are going to grow.
Totally agree... Rumours and yes only rumours , but if Sherwood came to us and we lose players, cannot see us attracting any quality. We just need MoPo to sign!!!
I think Benali's idea is fundamentally flawed for a club agressively seeking the top. For that type of club, lawyers and lawsuits is a better approach when vital players are trying to get out of an agreement.

Okay, so players might threaten to ease the pedal, but that won't exactly help their development.

A club aggressively seeking the top should put out a strong deterring message.

Of course, sometimes the price offered for players wanting out is so insanely high that a feel-good state is experienced when weighing up the pros and cons. Only then should contracted players be let go.

IMHO, these states are for Shaw = 100 million GBP and Lallana 75 million GBP. And since we are not going to get that money, we should tell these players to forget about anything else than their obligation to Saints over the duration of their contract.
[quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: I like the sentiment that no player is bigger than their club but, unfortunately, in reality only the so-called 'big' clubs have the luxury of getting shot of their most talented players. Utd could afford to lose Beckham, Ronaldo etc because it's Manchester United. With its reputation, and with Alex Ferguson as boss, they knew they could attract replacements. Saints are not quite in that position yet. The club's brand has grown tremendously this past season, but we're a long way from being Man Utd. We can't simply go out and find another Luke Shaw to play for us. It's the sad truth. We need to retain our best players if we are going to grow.[/p][/quote]Totally agree... Rumours and yes only rumours , but if Sherwood came to us and we lose players, cannot see us attracting any quality. We just need MoPo to sign!!![/p][/quote]I think Benali's idea is fundamentally flawed for a club agressively seeking the top. For that type of club, lawyers and lawsuits is a better approach when vital players are trying to get out of an agreement. Okay, so players might threaten to ease the pedal, but that won't exactly help their development. A club aggressively seeking the top should put out a strong deterring message. Of course, sometimes the price offered for players wanting out is so insanely high that a feel-good state is experienced when weighing up the pros and cons. Only then should contracted players be let go. IMHO, these states are for Shaw = 100 million GBP and Lallana 75 million GBP. And since we are not going to get that money, we should tell these players to forget about anything else than their obligation to Saints over the duration of their contract. BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 1

9:44am Mon 19 May 14

Positively4thStreet says...

george chivers wrote:
saintbobby wrote:
I may be an old **** but have supported Saints since 1959 and seen lots of change in all these years.

But for me it is still the same and I cannot help but feel a punch in the belly whenever one of our stars wants to leave. Leave the Saints, it is just not what this club is about. I am in the Ted Bates loyalty club and you do not leave our team because we are top dog for loyalty.

Just look at Matt (not called LeGod for nothing) and then Mick Channon who left but came back - to a very big welcome.

Of course, all this is pie in the sky when double pay might be achievable elsewhere and there lies the sadness of it all. I have said before, in despair, Rooney at up to £300,000 a week - well loyalty is, sadly, going to take a back seat - it is unreal but also a fact. Soddit!!

Up the Saints, forever!!!
If you go to a dinner where Matt is speaking he will tell you he wanted to leave but didn't because his first wife wouldn't move to London. She wanted to stay as close as possible to home. i.e Guernsey. He will also tell you his first wife hated football and had no interest in it. If that hadn't been the case he would have gone to Spurs. I've heard him say that twice at separate dinners. We benefitted from his wife's attitude. Later on of course they were divorced.
Just proves he's not selfish.
In the meantime..what is Nicola Cortese doing?
The silence is deafening!!
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: I may be an old **** but have supported Saints since 1959 and seen lots of change in all these years. But for me it is still the same and I cannot help but feel a punch in the belly whenever one of our stars wants to leave. Leave the Saints, it is just not what this club is about. I am in the Ted Bates loyalty club and you do not leave our team because we are top dog for loyalty. Just look at Matt (not called LeGod for nothing) and then Mick Channon who left but came back - to a very big welcome. Of course, all this is pie in the sky when double pay might be achievable elsewhere and there lies the sadness of it all. I have said before, in despair, Rooney at up to £300,000 a week - well loyalty is, sadly, going to take a back seat - it is unreal but also a fact. Soddit!! Up the Saints, forever!!![/p][/quote]If you go to a dinner where Matt is speaking he will tell you he wanted to leave but didn't because his first wife wouldn't move to London. She wanted to stay as close as possible to home. i.e Guernsey. He will also tell you his first wife hated football and had no interest in it. If that hadn't been the case he would have gone to Spurs. I've heard him say that twice at separate dinners. We benefitted from his wife's attitude. Later on of course they were divorced.[/p][/quote]Just proves he's not selfish. In the meantime..what is Nicola Cortese doing? The silence is deafening!! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

9:54am Mon 19 May 14

noodlesnewman says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
I reckon it is unlikely that Mauricio wants to leave Saints. I agree that keeping him at the club is paramount because it will show the intention at Southampton FC of continuing the growth we have seen for the last five years.That progress has been remarkable.

We have THREE England players due to go to Brazil and umpteen other international players at all levels. The club is obviously doing well enough to further the careers of all its players and is poised, with their help, to continue its upward trend to the next level, with the addition of just a few new players of appropriate quality.

It remains to be seen whether any of our manager or best players will want to be employed elsewhere, but the great thing is that they all seem to have a very special unity, which became apparent during their great Premier League campaign which recently ended. I have been a Saints fan for many years and had never, prior to this year, heard of several Saints players publicly stating that they want their manager to stay at the club. This is a very, very good sign that Mauricio and his players are all happy at Southampton FC. I therefore envisage that our manager will be staying with Saints, along with most of our best
who just done the retained player list , katherina ? les ? ralph ? the cleaner ? the ball boy ? the groundsmen ? maybe the burger seller ? but me thinks its poch , he going no where ! nor are the players ,ALL THIS FREE PUBLICITY ALL FREE ,RUMOURS ARE GOOD FOR OUR CLUB ITS MAKING US A GLOBAL BRAND ! FACT ! nothing changed from les r s statement .
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: I reckon it is unlikely that Mauricio wants to leave Saints. I agree that keeping him at the club is paramount because it will show the intention at Southampton FC of continuing the growth we have seen for the last five years.That progress has been remarkable. We have THREE England players due to go to Brazil and umpteen other international players at all levels. The club is obviously doing well enough to further the careers of all its players and is poised, with their help, to continue its upward trend to the next level, with the addition of just a few new players of appropriate quality. It remains to be seen whether any of our manager or best players will want to be employed elsewhere, but the great thing is that they all seem to have a very special unity, which became apparent during their great Premier League campaign which recently ended. I have been a Saints fan for many years and had never, prior to this year, heard of several Saints players publicly stating that they want their manager to stay at the club. This is a very, very good sign that Mauricio and his players are all happy at Southampton FC. I therefore envisage that our manager will be staying with Saints, along with most of our best[/p][/quote]who just done the retained player list , katherina ? les ? ralph ? the cleaner ? the ball boy ? the groundsmen ? maybe the burger seller ? but me thinks its poch , he going no where ! nor are the players ,ALL THIS FREE PUBLICITY ALL FREE ,RUMOURS ARE GOOD FOR OUR CLUB ITS MAKING US A GLOBAL BRAND ! FACT ! nothing changed from les r s statement . noodlesnewman
  • Score: 1

10:07am Mon 19 May 14

george chivers says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
andoru wrote:
I like the sentiment that no player is bigger than their club but, unfortunately, in reality only the so-called 'big' clubs have the luxury of getting shot of their most talented players. Utd could afford to lose Beckham, Ronaldo etc because it's Manchester United. With its reputation, and with Alex Ferguson as boss, they knew they could attract replacements. Saints are not quite in that position yet. The club's brand has grown tremendously this past season, but we're a long way from being Man Utd. We can't simply go out and find another Luke Shaw to play for us. It's the sad truth. We need to retain our best players if we are going to grow.
Totally agree... Rumours and yes only rumours , but if Sherwood came to us and we lose players, cannot see us attracting any quality. We just need MoPo to sign!!!
I think Benali's idea is fundamentally flawed for a club agressively seeking the top. For that type of club, lawyers and lawsuits is a better approach when vital players are trying to get out of an agreement.

Okay, so players might threaten to ease the pedal, but that won't exactly help their development.

A club aggressively seeking the top should put out a strong deterring message.

Of course, sometimes the price offered for players wanting out is so insanely high that a feel-good state is experienced when weighing up the pros and cons. Only then should contracted players be let go.

IMHO, these states are for Shaw = 100 million GBP and Lallana 75 million GBP. And since we are not going to get that money, we should tell these players to forget about anything else than their obligation to Saints over the duration of their contract.
Are we aggressively seeking the top? There's no evidence for that in the past two seasons. Investment in new players has been middle of the road to modest.

What development does AL need?

I thought what FB said was the most sensible thing I have read for ages. If you force players to stay then you get an unhappy dressing room and that spreads to the training ground which reflects on the pitch on match days.
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: I like the sentiment that no player is bigger than their club but, unfortunately, in reality only the so-called 'big' clubs have the luxury of getting shot of their most talented players. Utd could afford to lose Beckham, Ronaldo etc because it's Manchester United. With its reputation, and with Alex Ferguson as boss, they knew they could attract replacements. Saints are not quite in that position yet. The club's brand has grown tremendously this past season, but we're a long way from being Man Utd. We can't simply go out and find another Luke Shaw to play for us. It's the sad truth. We need to retain our best players if we are going to grow.[/p][/quote]Totally agree... Rumours and yes only rumours , but if Sherwood came to us and we lose players, cannot see us attracting any quality. We just need MoPo to sign!!![/p][/quote]I think Benali's idea is fundamentally flawed for a club agressively seeking the top. For that type of club, lawyers and lawsuits is a better approach when vital players are trying to get out of an agreement. Okay, so players might threaten to ease the pedal, but that won't exactly help their development. A club aggressively seeking the top should put out a strong deterring message. Of course, sometimes the price offered for players wanting out is so insanely high that a feel-good state is experienced when weighing up the pros and cons. Only then should contracted players be let go. IMHO, these states are for Shaw = 100 million GBP and Lallana 75 million GBP. And since we are not going to get that money, we should tell these players to forget about anything else than their obligation to Saints over the duration of their contract.[/p][/quote]Are we aggressively seeking the top? There's no evidence for that in the past two seasons. Investment in new players has been middle of the road to modest. What development does AL need? I thought what FB said was the most sensible thing I have read for ages. If you force players to stay then you get an unhappy dressing room and that spreads to the training ground which reflects on the pitch on match days. george chivers
  • Score: 0

10:14am Mon 19 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Take a look at the Premier League table, we are on our own in 8th, how many of those teams below us have a better chance of challenging the teams above us? Ii wouldn't take a lot for us to be the only challenger to those teams above us, it would need Poch to stay, all our best players to stay and a small influx of class players and we could be up there with the best, on merit. I can dream can't I, but I am realistic enough to know it could easily go the other way, I will take what I can get for now, only time will tell.
Take a look at the Premier League table, we are on our own in 8th, how many of those teams below us have a better chance of challenging the teams above us? Ii wouldn't take a lot for us to be the only challenger to those teams above us, it would need Poch to stay, all our best players to stay and a small influx of class players and we could be up there with the best, on merit. I can dream can't I, but I am realistic enough to know it could easily go the other way, I will take what I can get for now, only time will tell. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

10:19am Mon 19 May 14

miltonarcher says...

Not so sure clubs have to spend ££millions££ to get into the top 6, look at Everton. Tinker with our team, couple of signings, address the problem from last season, chucking away 18 points from winning positions, and we can progress.
Not so sure clubs have to spend ££millions££ to get into the top 6, look at Everton. Tinker with our team, couple of signings, address the problem from last season, chucking away 18 points from winning positions, and we can progress. miltonarcher
  • Score: 9

10:25am Mon 19 May 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Now I see wanyama is linked with inter Milan
This is getting absurd.i'm over it,just sell the whole team and let's shrink back in our little hole like good losers.
Cortese like him or loathe him would not have let this drift on
He would have come out fighting.
Ralph needs to grow a pair and start making some decisions
If they want to go then sell em,if they want to stay tell em to make a public statement.
Now I see wanyama is linked with inter Milan This is getting absurd.i'm over it,just sell the whole team and let's shrink back in our little hole like good losers. Cortese like him or loathe him would not have let this drift on He would have come out fighting. Ralph needs to grow a pair and start making some decisions If they want to go then sell em,if they want to stay tell em to make a public statement. Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -1

10:25am Mon 19 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

can no one else see the obvious problem here?

if player A goes to Ralph and says `I want to leave` then according to FB he should be allowed to leave. so what happens after player A leaves and players B, C, D, E and F then say they also want to leave? are they all allowed to go as well? how many players do you let leave?
If you allow A and B to leave and then not C, D, E and F then the players who stay will not be happy with the club.
Telling players they can leave if they want to was the attitude of the dark lord, which led to players like Bridge asking to go and being allowed, we never saw the investment from those players and lost the chance we had under WGS to progress as a club.
Players should only be allowed to leave if we want to sell, if they don't like it then though luck, what can they do? don't give 100% and you don't get picked and then you lose your chance to play for a `big` club in the future.
No player should ever be allowed to hold a club to ransom
can no one else see the obvious problem here? if player A goes to Ralph and says `I want to leave` then according to FB he should be allowed to leave. so what happens after player A leaves and players B, C, D, E and F then say they also want to leave? are they all allowed to go as well? how many players do you let leave? If you allow A and B to leave and then not C, D, E and F then the players who stay will not be happy with the club. Telling players they can leave if they want to was the attitude of the dark lord, which led to players like Bridge asking to go and being allowed, we never saw the investment from those players and lost the chance we had under WGS to progress as a club. Players should only be allowed to leave if we want to sell, if they don't like it then though luck, what can they do? don't give 100% and you don't get picked and then you lose your chance to play for a `big` club in the future. No player should ever be allowed to hold a club to ransom el caballo santos101
  • Score: 10

10:29am Mon 19 May 14

andoru says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Now I see wanyama is linked with inter Milan
This is getting absurd.i'm over it,just sell the whole team and let's shrink back in our little hole like good losers.
Cortese like him or loathe him would not have let this drift on
He would have come out fighting.
Ralph needs to grow a pair and start making some decisions
If they want to go then sell em,if they want to stay tell em to make a public statement.
I was wondering when it was going to be Big Vic's turn. He must have felt left out. Who does that leave us with then? We've got Cork for another season until his contract runs out, Clyne is still wanted, as is Fonte, don't think anyone has bid for Boruc yet, or Davis, and Lambert is still a Saints until he wins the Golden Boot at the World Cup and is suddenly wanted by Real Madrid.

That's fine. They can enter a local six-a-side league and run away with the title.
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Now I see wanyama is linked with inter Milan This is getting absurd.i'm over it,just sell the whole team and let's shrink back in our little hole like good losers. Cortese like him or loathe him would not have let this drift on He would have come out fighting. Ralph needs to grow a pair and start making some decisions If they want to go then sell em,if they want to stay tell em to make a public statement.[/p][/quote]I was wondering when it was going to be Big Vic's turn. He must have felt left out. Who does that leave us with then? We've got Cork for another season until his contract runs out, Clyne is still wanted, as is Fonte, don't think anyone has bid for Boruc yet, or Davis, and Lambert is still a Saints until he wins the Golden Boot at the World Cup and is suddenly wanted by Real Madrid. That's fine. They can enter a local six-a-side league and run away with the title. andoru
  • Score: 2

10:35am Mon 19 May 14

Malcombe says...

Meribelsaint please do you have to split hairs you know what I mean most of us know he played for other Clubs but I quote His heart is all Spurs, I'm not the the one who know this because I do not know him, I have read that many ex Spurs Players said it after he got the Managers job, they all said Oh yes Tim he knows the Club inside out. He was never going to be the Manager permanently because Levy prefers to poach from Southampton and changes Managers like the weather because of his lack of understanding of Football knowledge, not my opinion but Tim Sherwood's. Jimmy Case had a few Clubs but his affinity is Liverpool with Saints 2nd choice his words not mine and recently Rickie said the same and when he retires he will continue to live here in the South (I think he lives in Ocean Village)

What is most important is only the best is good enough for the best Club in the world the Club I have supported over 40 years Southampton FC The Saints
Meribelsaint please do you have to split hairs you know what I mean most of us know he played for other Clubs but I quote His heart is all Spurs, I'm not the the one who know this because I do not know him, I have read that many ex Spurs Players said it after he got the Managers job, they all said Oh yes Tim he knows the Club inside out. He was never going to be the Manager permanently because Levy prefers to poach from Southampton and changes Managers like the weather because of his lack of understanding of Football knowledge, not my opinion but Tim Sherwood's. Jimmy Case had a few Clubs but his affinity is Liverpool with Saints 2nd choice his words not mine and recently Rickie said the same and when he retires he will continue to live here in the South (I think he lives in Ocean Village) What is most important is only the best is good enough for the best Club in the world the Club I have supported over 40 years Southampton FC The Saints Malcombe
  • Score: 0

10:37am Mon 19 May 14

Alicesdad says...

Can some one update me on the Eric Pickles situation please?
Can some one update me on the Eric Pickles situation please? Alicesdad
  • Score: 1

10:40am Mon 19 May 14

Alicesdad says...

Are Liverpool interested in Eric Pickles?

Do the European fair play ruiles have any sections on the club catering budget?
Are Liverpool interested in Eric Pickles? Do the European fair play ruiles have any sections on the club catering budget? Alicesdad
  • Score: 1

10:46am Mon 19 May 14

Alicesdad says...

Trains through Colchester to London are delayed today.

I just thought I'd put some news on this site for a change.
Trains through Colchester to London are delayed today. I just thought I'd put some news on this site for a change. Alicesdad
  • Score: 4

10:47am Mon 19 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

interestingly Dejan has said he is happy at saints and insists he knows nothing about Liverpool's reported interest, only what he has read in the media.
"I also heard something about that," he told Sportske Novosti when asked about Liverpool.

"I follow the media and I saw that Liverpool is allegedly interested in me. But that is all that I know so far.

"I feel great at Southampton and my contract is valid for the next three years.

"So the only thing I can say right now is that the club is the one who decides."
so doesn't look like he wants to leave then.
interestingly Dejan has said he is happy at saints and insists he knows nothing about Liverpool's reported interest, only what he has read in the media. "I also heard something about that," he told Sportske Novosti when asked about Liverpool. "I follow the media and I saw that Liverpool is allegedly interested in me. But that is all that I know so far. "I feel great at Southampton and my contract is valid for the next three years. "So the only thing I can say right now is that the club is the one who decides." so doesn't look like he wants to leave then. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 5

11:01am Mon 19 May 14

Norwegian Saint says...

When are the early bird season ticket renewels?

I am guessing no announcement before the discounted rate expirers
When are the early bird season ticket renewels? I am guessing no announcement before the discounted rate expirers Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 0

11:05am Mon 19 May 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

Lets look at why nothing has been reported out of St Marys on the Pochettino subject or any players. The first thing is this is the clubs strategy on any contract negotiations...compl
ete silence. Any leaks are only likely to affect final discussions. The fact is Pochettino is sitting down discussing the future direction of the club with Les Read and the Krueger. There are plenty of things to discuss...investment
, players of interest, the current playing squad. Now Saints have just released a number of players and signed up some others so that decision is likely to have been approved by Pochettino.

If MP is happy with the plans. I think he will be given £30m to spend and a further £30m from the sale of Shaw to Man U. We can replace Shaw easier than Lallana. If MP stays we have a better chance of keeping Adam for another year and push on for top 4. With Everton being in the Europa league there's a good chance that Saints can finish higher up and with a bit of luck get into the top 4.
Lets look at why nothing has been reported out of St Marys on the Pochettino subject or any players. The first thing is this is the clubs strategy on any contract negotiations...compl ete silence. Any leaks are only likely to affect final discussions. The fact is Pochettino is sitting down discussing the future direction of the club with Les Read and the Krueger. There are plenty of things to discuss...investment , players of interest, the current playing squad. Now Saints have just released a number of players and signed up some others so that decision is likely to have been approved by Pochettino. If MP is happy with the plans. I think he will be given £30m to spend and a further £30m from the sale of Shaw to Man U. We can replace Shaw easier than Lallana. If MP stays we have a better chance of keeping Adam for another year and push on for top 4. With Everton being in the Europa league there's a good chance that Saints can finish higher up and with a bit of luck get into the top 4. allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 0

11:05am Mon 19 May 14

Rising_Son says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
When are the early bird season ticket renewels?

I am guessing no announcement before the discounted rate expirers
They finish on the 30th May.
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: When are the early bird season ticket renewels? I am guessing no announcement before the discounted rate expirers[/p][/quote]They finish on the 30th May. Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

11:37am Mon 19 May 14

Clever Dick says...

Sheffieldsaint wrote:
Lets face it there is only one thing that will entice a player to a so called bigger club. It is not for the opportunity of playing Champions League football, if that were the case Man City could not have attracted all their big name players after years in the wilderness. It's money, offer any a player enough money and he will sign for anyone. This might appear to be a tad cynical but unfortunately in this age of billionaire owners it is the only thing that matters. Fact of life and we have to accept it.
Yes they use Champions league as the excuse but half the sides are no hopers like Celtic who with the odd exception go out before the knockout stage. I'm sure Victor is earning much more here than he was in the one club league.
[quote][p][bold]Sheffieldsaint[/bold] wrote: Lets face it there is only one thing that will entice a player to a so called bigger club. It is not for the opportunity of playing Champions League football, if that were the case Man City could not have attracted all their big name players after years in the wilderness. It's money, offer any a player enough money and he will sign for anyone. This might appear to be a tad cynical but unfortunately in this age of billionaire owners it is the only thing that matters. Fact of life and we have to accept it.[/p][/quote]Yes they use Champions league as the excuse but half the sides are no hopers like Celtic who with the odd exception go out before the knockout stage. I'm sure Victor is earning much more here than he was in the one club league. Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

11:44am Mon 19 May 14

george chivers says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
can no one else see the obvious problem here?

if player A goes to Ralph and says `I want to leave` then according to FB he should be allowed to leave. so what happens after player A leaves and players B, C, D, E and F then say they also want to leave? are they all allowed to go as well? how many players do you let leave?
If you allow A and B to leave and then not C, D, E and F then the players who stay will not be happy with the club.
Telling players they can leave if they want to was the attitude of the dark lord, which led to players like Bridge asking to go and being allowed, we never saw the investment from those players and lost the chance we had under WGS to progress as a club.
Players should only be allowed to leave if we want to sell, if they don't like it then though luck, what can they do? don't give 100% and you don't get picked and then you lose your chance to play for a `big` club in the future.
No player should ever be allowed to hold a club to ransom
Rooney did. Got his ransom and stayed because United could afford to pay it. If they had refused he would have gone. It happens all the time. Look at Arsenal they can't keep their outstanding players. It's a free market and the contracts work more in favour of the player than the club especially when the player is exceptional. Exceptional players are a scarce commodity, their scarcity forces the transfer price up and the price of labour up. It's just the law of supply and demand in action and contracts will not stop that if the player wants to go.

In our case we will have to let the best players go, if they want to go, and retain the ones who are developing by improving their contracts and then let them go for the best price we can get, If and when they want to go.

You can't shackle them with a contract, only Man City and Chelsea can afford to do that by paying over the market rate and then loan out the players who don't make the squad. Chelsea had 26 on loan last season in various leagues throughout the world. We don't have the money to do that and never will. Ambramovich has spent £2BN on his train set called CFC. KL is certainly not going to do that to buy equivalent success for Saints.

If a club wants to retain it's best players then the trick is to produce good players, not exceptional players. Producing exceptional players as we do works against us in terms of retaining them because we don't have the money to build a team and compete at the highest level for a sustained period of time. Say 5 years. We could get lucky for a year and move into the top level but that would just attract more bids for our best players and we couldn't compete on wages and they would transfer out. Newcastle and Sunderland are better supported than we are and can't retain their best players. Where does that leave us? As a mid table selling club unfortunately.

What really annoys me is that clubs like ours choose not to compete properly in the FA Cup because it only gets the winner or runner up into the Europa Cup, not a decent European competition. If it could get non top 6 clubs throughout Europe into the Champions League or say into an old Cup Winners Cup type competition that would be a decent target to aim for. For the clubs who weren't super rich.

STID
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: can no one else see the obvious problem here? if player A goes to Ralph and says `I want to leave` then according to FB he should be allowed to leave. so what happens after player A leaves and players B, C, D, E and F then say they also want to leave? are they all allowed to go as well? how many players do you let leave? If you allow A and B to leave and then not C, D, E and F then the players who stay will not be happy with the club. Telling players they can leave if they want to was the attitude of the dark lord, which led to players like Bridge asking to go and being allowed, we never saw the investment from those players and lost the chance we had under WGS to progress as a club. Players should only be allowed to leave if we want to sell, if they don't like it then though luck, what can they do? don't give 100% and you don't get picked and then you lose your chance to play for a `big` club in the future. No player should ever be allowed to hold a club to ransom[/p][/quote]Rooney did. Got his ransom and stayed because United could afford to pay it. If they had refused he would have gone. It happens all the time. Look at Arsenal they can't keep their outstanding players. It's a free market and the contracts work more in favour of the player than the club especially when the player is exceptional. Exceptional players are a scarce commodity, their scarcity forces the transfer price up and the price of labour up. It's just the law of supply and demand in action and contracts will not stop that if the player wants to go. In our case we will have to let the best players go, if they want to go, and retain the ones who are developing by improving their contracts and then let them go for the best price we can get, If and when they want to go. You can't shackle them with a contract, only Man City and Chelsea can afford to do that by paying over the market rate and then loan out the players who don't make the squad. Chelsea had 26 on loan last season in various leagues throughout the world. We don't have the money to do that and never will. Ambramovich has spent £2BN on his train set called CFC. KL is certainly not going to do that to buy equivalent success for Saints. If a club wants to retain it's best players then the trick is to produce good players, not exceptional players. Producing exceptional players as we do works against us in terms of retaining them because we don't have the money to build a team and compete at the highest level for a sustained period of time. Say 5 years. We could get lucky for a year and move into the top level but that would just attract more bids for our best players and we couldn't compete on wages and they would transfer out. Newcastle and Sunderland are better supported than we are and can't retain their best players. Where does that leave us? As a mid table selling club unfortunately. What really annoys me is that clubs like ours choose not to compete properly in the FA Cup because it only gets the winner or runner up into the Europa Cup, not a decent European competition. If it could get non top 6 clubs throughout Europe into the Champions League or say into an old Cup Winners Cup type competition that would be a decent target to aim for. For the clubs who weren't super rich. STID george chivers
  • Score: -2

11:50am Mon 19 May 14

Clever Dick says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Food for thought, we are all worshiping at the alter of Adam and Luke nonetheless, we supporters ourselves can be real fickle uckers…

At the beginning of Last season AL at first was simply not up to speed with the premiership and many were not sure he was strong enough, LS was only on the fringe….now had we be offered nigh on 50 million for the pair and it was all to be reinvested we the fans would have been in ecstasy.

I do not want them to go but in some respects if they do and remember 99% of footballers are NOT Le God in talent nor loyalty I am not concerned IF the boards overall goal is to improve the team…

…provided all the proceeds and Osvaldo plus another 20-40 are invested I can actually see us being a better team if our scouting system comes up with the gems I have heard about on the QT…

Observations about Swans and WBA are very pertinent and let us not forget that for all our amazing possession we could not hit a cows 4rse with a banjo most of the time, a considerable improvement in speed and directness is required….

So from this Saint my issue is not whether AL and LS go but that we keep everyone else and vastly improve on the above areas..
We are far stronger than either WBA or Swansea were. West brom had Lukaku who made the difference for them and Swansea had Mido who was on fire initially yet has done nothing this season. Luckily for them Bony came good. Can't think of any of their other players who would get in our side ahead of our players. It just shows the value of a good striker. Everton have benefitted this season and Liverpuddle would be outside the top six without Suarez. So I'm with you. The priority is a quality striker and if losing Luke is the price we have to pay then so be it. Obviously it would be even better if there were a thirty million transfer fund and we could keep everybody.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Food for thought, we are all worshiping at the alter of Adam and Luke nonetheless, we supporters ourselves can be real fickle uckers… At the beginning of Last season AL at first was simply not up to speed with the premiership and many were not sure he was strong enough, LS was only on the fringe….now had we be offered nigh on 50 million for the pair and it was all to be reinvested we the fans would have been in ecstasy. I do not want them to go but in some respects if they do and remember 99% of footballers are NOT Le God in talent nor loyalty I am not concerned IF the boards overall goal is to improve the team… …provided all the proceeds and Osvaldo plus another 20-40 are invested I can actually see us being a better team if our scouting system comes up with the gems I have heard about on the QT… Observations about Swans and WBA are very pertinent and let us not forget that for all our amazing possession we could not hit a cows 4rse with a banjo most of the time, a considerable improvement in speed and directness is required…. So from this Saint my issue is not whether AL and LS go but that we keep everyone else and vastly improve on the above areas..[/p][/quote]We are far stronger than either WBA or Swansea were. West brom had Lukaku who made the difference for them and Swansea had Mido who was on fire initially yet has done nothing this season. Luckily for them Bony came good. Can't think of any of their other players who would get in our side ahead of our players. It just shows the value of a good striker. Everton have benefitted this season and Liverpuddle would be outside the top six without Suarez. So I'm with you. The priority is a quality striker and if losing Luke is the price we have to pay then so be it. Obviously it would be even better if there were a thirty million transfer fund and we could keep everybody. Clever Dick
  • Score: -1

12:52pm Mon 19 May 14

Beer Monster says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Trains through Colchester to London are delayed today.

I just thought I'd put some news on this site for a change.
I see it was down to over running engineering works - I was in Stirling on saturday, lovely place with some cracking pubs (notably http://bridgeofallan
.co.uk/), only messed up by the rubbish weather (rained all day) and the fact that I got stuck in Edinburgh thanks to engineering works.

Oh well, at least the FA Cup was entertaining. And Saints won the Scottish Cup :)
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Trains through Colchester to London are delayed today. I just thought I'd put some news on this site for a change.[/p][/quote]I see it was down to over running engineering works - I was in Stirling on saturday, lovely place with some cracking pubs (notably http://bridgeofallan .co.uk/), only messed up by the rubbish weather (rained all day) and the fact that I got stuck in Edinburgh thanks to engineering works. Oh well, at least the FA Cup was entertaining. And Saints won the Scottish Cup :) Beer Monster
  • Score: -1

1:05pm Mon 19 May 14

george chivers says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Food for thought, we are all worshiping at the alter of Adam and Luke nonetheless, we supporters ourselves can be real fickle uckers…

At the beginning of Last season AL at first was simply not up to speed with the premiership and many were not sure he was strong enough, LS was only on the fringe….now had we be offered nigh on 50 million for the pair and it was all to be reinvested we the fans would have been in ecstasy.

I do not want them to go but in some respects if they do and remember 99% of footballers are NOT Le God in talent nor loyalty I am not concerned IF the boards overall goal is to improve the team…

…provided all the proceeds and Osvaldo plus another 20-40 are invested I can actually see us being a better team if our scouting system comes up with the gems I have heard about on the QT…

Observations about Swans and WBA are very pertinent and let us not forget that for all our amazing possession we could not hit a cows 4rse with a banjo most of the time, a considerable improvement in speed and directness is required….

So from this Saint my issue is not whether AL and LS go but that we keep everyone else and vastly improve on the above areas..
For sale, one banjo and a full size 3D picture of a cow's 4rse, £5M.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Food for thought, we are all worshiping at the alter of Adam and Luke nonetheless, we supporters ourselves can be real fickle uckers… At the beginning of Last season AL at first was simply not up to speed with the premiership and many were not sure he was strong enough, LS was only on the fringe….now had we be offered nigh on 50 million for the pair and it was all to be reinvested we the fans would have been in ecstasy. I do not want them to go but in some respects if they do and remember 99% of footballers are NOT Le God in talent nor loyalty I am not concerned IF the boards overall goal is to improve the team… …provided all the proceeds and Osvaldo plus another 20-40 are invested I can actually see us being a better team if our scouting system comes up with the gems I have heard about on the QT… Observations about Swans and WBA are very pertinent and let us not forget that for all our amazing possession we could not hit a cows 4rse with a banjo most of the time, a considerable improvement in speed and directness is required…. So from this Saint my issue is not whether AL and LS go but that we keep everyone else and vastly improve on the above areas..[/p][/quote]For sale, one banjo and a full size 3D picture of a cow's 4rse, £5M. george chivers
  • Score: -1

1:22pm Mon 19 May 14

SaintJD says...

While I understand Benali's sentiment, especially when taking into account the time he was at the club, I think this is a different era now.

With the pressure of agents, media speculation and underhand approaches players do get their heads turned and may genuinely want out, but recent examples show that you can hold on to players who don't necessarily want to stay and still get a good end result for everyone.

If Liverpool took Franny's advice they'd have let Suarez go, if Man Utd had taken his advice they'd have let Rooney go, twice, but arguably both players have stayed and knuckled down and are still the club's best players. Tevez at Man City was similar - stayed and helped them win the league despite the club knowing that they really should have sent him packing.

Sometimes you have to play hard ball if you want to progress - particularly if you aim to compete with the very best. You never know - the players and manager might just thank you for it at the end of next season. That's certainly been the case with Suarez anyway.
While I understand Benali's sentiment, especially when taking into account the time he was at the club, I think this is a different era now. With the pressure of agents, media speculation and underhand approaches players do get their heads turned and may genuinely want out, but recent examples show that you can hold on to players who don't necessarily want to stay and still get a good end result for everyone. If Liverpool took Franny's advice they'd have let Suarez go, if Man Utd had taken his advice they'd have let Rooney go, twice, but arguably both players have stayed and knuckled down and are still the club's best players. Tevez at Man City was similar - stayed and helped them win the league despite the club knowing that they really should have sent him packing. Sometimes you have to play hard ball if you want to progress - particularly if you aim to compete with the very best. You never know - the players and manager might just thank you for it at the end of next season. That's certainly been the case with Suarez anyway. SaintJD
  • Score: 4

1:36pm Mon 19 May 14

worried of n e hampshire says...

lets have a poll
Who has renewed their ST's
Who hasn't
Who's going to
Who's not
lets have a poll Who has renewed their ST's Who hasn't Who's going to Who's not worried of n e hampshire
  • Score: -1

1:37pm Mon 19 May 14

SaintJD says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Food for thought, we are all worshiping at the alter of Adam and Luke nonetheless, we supporters ourselves can be real fickle uckers…

At the beginning of Last season AL at first was simply not up to speed with the premiership and many were not sure he was strong enough, LS was only on the fringe….now had we be offered nigh on 50 million for the pair and it was all to be reinvested we the fans would have been in ecstasy.

I do not want them to go but in some respects if they do and remember 99% of footballers are NOT Le God in talent nor loyalty I am not concerned IF the boards overall goal is to improve the team…

…provided all the proceeds and Osvaldo plus another 20-40 are invested I can actually see us being a better team if our scouting system comes up with the gems I have heard about on the QT…

Observations about Swans and WBA are very pertinent and let us not forget that for all our amazing possession we could not hit a cows 4rse with a banjo most of the time, a considerable improvement in speed and directness is required….

So from this Saint my issue is not whether AL and LS go but that we keep everyone else and vastly improve on the above areas..
Food for thought: we also got very, very excited when Dani Osvaldo signed.

I accept Luke will probably leave and I believe we can replace him - not with anyone anything like as exciting - but we could get by, still bring in someone attacking, and do OK. Even Buttner as a make weight would be OK and, bizarrely, put the guy who we'd hoped to be our first choice two seasons ago, in that position.

Adam as well is another story. He is very hard to replace. I wasn't one of those who doubted him if I'm honest - I've always thought he was class, but there are very few players of his quality available at an acceptable price. Gaston only serves to highlight this. It is very rare to find someone of Adam's skill and flair who is consistent and plays for the team.

Plus, it sends out a bad message. If we lose one of our best players for a good price, no problem, but two, not good.

Adam is key to the way we play. His captaincy can't be underrated either.

If you're saying we need a considerable improvement in speed and directness maybe you won't be worried about the manager leaving too?

Losing our two best players and playing a more direct style sounds like my worst nightmare for this summer. Be careful what you wish for.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Food for thought, we are all worshiping at the alter of Adam and Luke nonetheless, we supporters ourselves can be real fickle uckers… At the beginning of Last season AL at first was simply not up to speed with the premiership and many were not sure he was strong enough, LS was only on the fringe….now had we be offered nigh on 50 million for the pair and it was all to be reinvested we the fans would have been in ecstasy. I do not want them to go but in some respects if they do and remember 99% of footballers are NOT Le God in talent nor loyalty I am not concerned IF the boards overall goal is to improve the team… …provided all the proceeds and Osvaldo plus another 20-40 are invested I can actually see us being a better team if our scouting system comes up with the gems I have heard about on the QT… Observations about Swans and WBA are very pertinent and let us not forget that for all our amazing possession we could not hit a cows 4rse with a banjo most of the time, a considerable improvement in speed and directness is required…. So from this Saint my issue is not whether AL and LS go but that we keep everyone else and vastly improve on the above areas..[/p][/quote]Food for thought: we also got very, very excited when Dani Osvaldo signed. I accept Luke will probably leave and I believe we can replace him - not with anyone anything like as exciting - but we could get by, still bring in someone attacking, and do OK. Even Buttner as a make weight would be OK and, bizarrely, put the guy who we'd hoped to be our first choice two seasons ago, in that position. Adam as well is another story. He is very hard to replace. I wasn't one of those who doubted him if I'm honest - I've always thought he was class, but there are very few players of his quality available at an acceptable price. Gaston only serves to highlight this. It is very rare to find someone of Adam's skill and flair who is consistent and plays for the team. Plus, it sends out a bad message. If we lose one of our best players for a good price, no problem, but two, not good. Adam is key to the way we play. His captaincy can't be underrated either. If you're saying we need a considerable improvement in speed and directness maybe you won't be worried about the manager leaving too? Losing our two best players and playing a more direct style sounds like my worst nightmare for this summer. Be careful what you wish for. SaintJD
  • Score: 4

3:23pm Mon 19 May 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Beer Monster wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Trains through Colchester to London are delayed today.

I just thought I'd put some news on this site for a change.
I see it was down to over running engineering works - I was in Stirling on saturday, lovely place with some cracking pubs (notably http://bridgeofallan

.co.uk/), only messed up by the rubbish weather (rained all day) and the fact that I got stuck in Edinburgh thanks to engineering works.

Oh well, at least the FA Cup was entertaining. And Saints won the Scottish Cup :)
There are still bus replacements between Bournemouth and Weymouth until 5 o'clock , you could have at least made it a bit more local! The Colchester problem is nearly resolved, however someone has been hit by a train near Romford and that has caused more problems. That's the end of the News, the weather forecast says heavy showers moving in overnight and a generally wet day tomorrow, Sport will follow in a while. Meanwhile here are some messages.....
[quote][p][bold]Beer Monster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Trains through Colchester to London are delayed today. I just thought I'd put some news on this site for a change.[/p][/quote]I see it was down to over running engineering works - I was in Stirling on saturday, lovely place with some cracking pubs (notably http://bridgeofallan .co.uk/), only messed up by the rubbish weather (rained all day) and the fact that I got stuck in Edinburgh thanks to engineering works. Oh well, at least the FA Cup was entertaining. And Saints won the Scottish Cup :)[/p][/quote]There are still bus replacements between Bournemouth and Weymouth until 5 o'clock , you could have at least made it a bit more local! The Colchester problem is nearly resolved, however someone has been hit by a train near Romford and that has caused more problems. That's the end of the News, the weather forecast says heavy showers moving in overnight and a generally wet day tomorrow, Sport will follow in a while. Meanwhile here are some messages..... OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

7:09pm Mon 19 May 14

Simmo13 says...

In all honesty this is totally unfair to the supporters the club are not forthcoming and neither is the manager and personally I'm fed up reading about in the media if he's going just get on with it rather than play games with us. There are unemployed managers out there looking for a plum job like this one but one thing is for sure he will not have the free rein at spurs the same way he has got here !
I will renew my season ticket but not happy at the deafening silence !
In all honesty this is totally unfair to the supporters the club are not forthcoming and neither is the manager and personally I'm fed up reading about in the media if he's going just get on with it rather than play games with us. There are unemployed managers out there looking for a plum job like this one but one thing is for sure he will not have the free rein at spurs the same way he has got here ! I will renew my season ticket but not happy at the deafening silence ! Simmo13
  • Score: 0

7:11pm Mon 19 May 14

warrens 76 says...

SaintJD wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Food for thought, we are all worshiping at the alter of Adam and Luke nonetheless, we supporters ourselves can be real fickle uckers…

At the beginning of Last season AL at first was simply not up to speed with the premiership and many were not sure he was strong enough, LS was only on the fringe….now had we be offered nigh on 50 million for the pair and it was all to be reinvested we the fans would have been in ecstasy.

I do not want them to go but in some respects if they do and remember 99% of footballers are NOT Le God in talent nor loyalty I am not concerned IF the boards overall goal is to improve the team…

…provided all the proceeds and Osvaldo plus another 20-40 are invested I can actually see us being a better team if our scouting system comes up with the gems I have heard about on the QT…

Observations about Swans and WBA are very pertinent and let us not forget that for all our amazing possession we could not hit a cows 4rse with a banjo most of the time, a considerable improvement in speed and directness is required….

So from this Saint my issue is not whether AL and LS go but that we keep everyone else and vastly improve on the above areas..
Food for thought: we also got very, very excited when Dani Osvaldo signed.

I accept Luke will probably leave and I believe we can replace him - not with anyone anything like as exciting - but we could get by, still bring in someone attacking, and do OK. Even Buttner as a make weight would be OK and, bizarrely, put the guy who we'd hoped to be our first choice two seasons ago, in that position.

Adam as well is another story. He is very hard to replace. I wasn't one of those who doubted him if I'm honest - I've always thought he was class, but there are very few players of his quality available at an acceptable price. Gaston only serves to highlight this. It is very rare to find someone of Adam's skill and flair who is consistent and plays for the team.

Plus, it sends out a bad message. If we lose one of our best players for a good price, no problem, but two, not good.

Adam is key to the way we play. His captaincy can't be underrated either.

If you're saying we need a considerable improvement in speed and directness maybe you won't be worried about the manager leaving too?

Losing our two best players and playing a more direct style sounds like my worst nightmare for this summer. Be careful what you wish for.
i wish for peace, understanding, tranquility to all men….except those portsea skateish phlghm….

..moving on LS can 'almost' be covered from the ranks…CC…JWP whilst not as devastating will turn up at the races..indeed JWP is the next big thing ..

AL HAS become a different matter I agree but midfield finisher ..nah.

For the same money Ifeel we can maybe do something..

..ps my allusion to direct attack is not based on the 'orrible' nasty direct5hit just a more L'pool approach..capichè
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Food for thought, we are all worshiping at the alter of Adam and Luke nonetheless, we supporters ourselves can be real fickle uckers… At the beginning of Last season AL at first was simply not up to speed with the premiership and many were not sure he was strong enough, LS was only on the fringe….now had we be offered nigh on 50 million for the pair and it was all to be reinvested we the fans would have been in ecstasy. I do not want them to go but in some respects if they do and remember 99% of footballers are NOT Le God in talent nor loyalty I am not concerned IF the boards overall goal is to improve the team… …provided all the proceeds and Osvaldo plus another 20-40 are invested I can actually see us being a better team if our scouting system comes up with the gems I have heard about on the QT… Observations about Swans and WBA are very pertinent and let us not forget that for all our amazing possession we could not hit a cows 4rse with a banjo most of the time, a considerable improvement in speed and directness is required…. So from this Saint my issue is not whether AL and LS go but that we keep everyone else and vastly improve on the above areas..[/p][/quote]Food for thought: we also got very, very excited when Dani Osvaldo signed. I accept Luke will probably leave and I believe we can replace him - not with anyone anything like as exciting - but we could get by, still bring in someone attacking, and do OK. Even Buttner as a make weight would be OK and, bizarrely, put the guy who we'd hoped to be our first choice two seasons ago, in that position. Adam as well is another story. He is very hard to replace. I wasn't one of those who doubted him if I'm honest - I've always thought he was class, but there are very few players of his quality available at an acceptable price. Gaston only serves to highlight this. It is very rare to find someone of Adam's skill and flair who is consistent and plays for the team. Plus, it sends out a bad message. If we lose one of our best players for a good price, no problem, but two, not good. Adam is key to the way we play. His captaincy can't be underrated either. If you're saying we need a considerable improvement in speed and directness maybe you won't be worried about the manager leaving too? Losing our two best players and playing a more direct style sounds like my worst nightmare for this summer. Be careful what you wish for.[/p][/quote]i wish for peace, understanding, tranquility to all men….except those portsea skateish phlghm…. ..moving on LS can 'almost' be covered from the ranks…CC…JWP whilst not as devastating will turn up at the races..indeed JWP is the next big thing .. AL HAS become a different matter I agree but midfield finisher ..nah. For the same money Ifeel we can maybe do something.. ..ps my allusion to direct attack is not based on the 'orrible' nasty direct5hit just a more L'pool approach..capichè warrens 76
  • Score: -1

8:22pm Mon 19 May 14

noodlesnewman says...

I love frannys comment spot on .IF YOU AINT A SAINT THROUGH AND THROUGH GET THE FECK OUT OF HERE ! But our squads a tight unit they like brothers who s been on a mad upward journey that still continues , who wouldnt wanna be a part of that ??? or warm the bench at one of these so called big clubs .COYR
I love frannys comment spot on .IF YOU AINT A SAINT THROUGH AND THROUGH GET THE FECK OUT OF HERE ! But our squads a tight unit they like brothers who s been on a mad upward journey that still continues , who wouldnt wanna be a part of that ??? or warm the bench at one of these so called big clubs .COYR noodlesnewman
  • Score: 1

10:20pm Mon 19 May 14

Freddie Flowerpot says...

If Poch goes, anyone else think we should make a play for getting Pards back?

Unfinished business in my view, and with Nic out of the way could be a good option. Don't think Newcastle would fight that hard to keep him either.
If Poch goes, anyone else think we should make a play for getting Pards back? Unfinished business in my view, and with Nic out of the way could be a good option. Don't think Newcastle would fight that hard to keep him either. Freddie Flowerpot
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11:33pm Mon 19 May 14

City Saint says...

Malcombe wrote:
City Saint have are you suffering from a hangover or do you wear Sun Glasses around the house and when typing on your Laptop? No offence just my humour kicking in.
It's the old "predictive text" running riot, though I have been known to talk like that after one too many Saints Ales :)
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: City Saint have are you suffering from a hangover or do you wear Sun Glasses around the house and when typing on your Laptop? No offence just my humour kicking in.[/p][/quote]It's the old "predictive text" running riot, though I have been known to talk like that after one too many Saints Ales :) City Saint
  • Score: 0

11:36pm Mon 19 May 14

BracknellSaint says...

Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
If Poch goes, anyone else think we should make a play for getting Pards back?

Unfinished business in my view, and with Nic out of the way could be a good option. Don't think Newcastle would fight that hard to keep him either.
Absolutely no.
Next question?
[quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: If Poch goes, anyone else think we should make a play for getting Pards back? Unfinished business in my view, and with Nic out of the way could be a good option. Don't think Newcastle would fight that hard to keep him either.[/p][/quote]Absolutely no. Next question? BracknellSaint
  • Score: 0

11:40pm Mon 19 May 14

City Saint says...

Freddie Flowerpot wrote:
If Poch goes, anyone else think we should make a play for getting Pards back?

Unfinished business in my view, and with Nic out of the way could be a good option. Don't think Newcastle would fight that hard to keep him either.
The only unfinished business there is between him and Fonte, supposedly.

Pards has been erratic at Newcastle, what with nuzzling that player and all. We can do better, even if MoPo does move!
[quote][p][bold]Freddie Flowerpot[/bold] wrote: If Poch goes, anyone else think we should make a play for getting Pards back? Unfinished business in my view, and with Nic out of the way could be a good option. Don't think Newcastle would fight that hard to keep him either.[/p][/quote]The only unfinished business there is between him and Fonte, supposedly. Pards has been erratic at Newcastle, what with nuzzling that player and all. We can do better, even if MoPo does move! City Saint
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