Portsmouth shipyard may close, BAE boss confirms

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A decision on the future of Portsmouth shipyard, which supports thousands of Hampshire jobs, is likely to be made by the end of the year.

Hampshire defence giant BAE is considering closing one of its major shipyards with Portsmouth widely reported to be most at risk putting up to 1,500 jobs under threat.

But the end of shipbuilding at the historic dockyard would have a devastating effect on the wider Solent economy, costing nearly 4,000 jobs in a worst case scenario according to recent study commissioned by Solent Local Enterprise Partnership.

BAE's UK chief executive Nigel Whitehead told The Sunday Telegraph a decision was expected by the end of the year.

The future of its three major bases - one at Portsmouth and two in Glasgow, at Govan and Scotstoun - has been under threat after BAE launched a review of its maritime operations at the start of the year.

Mr Whitehead told the newspaper that plans for a ''reduction in footprint'' could see ''the cessation of manufacturing at one of the sites''.

''We will be making decisions this year,'' he added.

The blow comes after last month's collapse of the planned mega-merger between BAE and Airbus parent EADS.

The two groups called time on the tie-up - which would have created the world's biggest defence and aerospace group with 220,000 staff worldwide and combined sales of £60 billion - after political hurdles proved insurmountable.

BAE said it was in contact with the Ministry of Defence as it reviews its shipbuilding future.

It added: ''We continue to work closely with the Ministry of Defence to explore all possible options to determine how best to sustain the capability to deliver complex warships in the UK in the future.

''This work is ongoing and we are committed to keeping our employees and trade unions informed as it progresses.''

The group employs about 3,500 staff across its Glasgow shipyards and nearly 5,000 at Portsmouth, although less than half are directly involved in shipbuilding.

BAE has been coming under pressure from government spending cuts and it is feared there will not be enough work to keep all three sites profitable, with a gap expected between the completion of work on the Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers and the start of the Type 26 Global Combat Ship programme for the Royal Navy.

London-headquartered BAE is the UK's main defence supplier, making Astute nuclear-powered submarines, aircraft carriers and fighter jets.

But it has been hit by cuts in government military spending in recent years, which led to a 14 per cent fall in annual sales and left 2011 profits 7 per cent lower at £2 billion.

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12:48pm Sun 25 Nov 12

ohec says...

So what happens if Scotland gets its independence will we be buying our warships off of a another country, what does B.A.E stand for if Scotland wants its independence fine but they will have to stand on their own two feet, i as a English taxpayer will no longer subsidise the Scottish so any jobs and indeed job losses need to bear in mind the prospect of an independent Scotland.
So what happens if Scotland gets its independence will we be buying our warships off of a another country, what does B.A.E stand for if Scotland wants its independence fine but they will have to stand on their own two feet, i as a English taxpayer will no longer subsidise the Scottish so any jobs and indeed job losses need to bear in mind the prospect of an independent Scotland. ohec

12:56pm Sun 25 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Wasn't this the old Vosper Thornycrofts?
Didn't they move there from Southampton for the Cheaper ex Navy facilities?
Is it that much cheaper in Scotland?
BBC moving many of it's programs to Scotland now BAE?
We should put up immigration posts on all routes into Scotland ask for passports & allow duty free shops on the border selling goods with no tax & see how many jobs that brings to that area.
We should ask for work permits for all Scots on a trial period to show the Scots all the effects Independance would bring.
So with Supermarkets closing as it would be cheaper to buy here & unemployment rising would it be such a good thing to do & why vote to break the Union because of Salmond & his Bigot Party ( he hates the English)
Wasn't this the old Vosper Thornycrofts? Didn't they move there from Southampton for the Cheaper ex Navy facilities? Is it that much cheaper in Scotland? BBC moving many of it's programs to Scotland now BAE? We should put up immigration posts on all routes into Scotland ask for passports & allow duty free shops on the border selling goods with no tax & see how many jobs that brings to that area. We should ask for work permits for all Scots on a trial period to show the Scots all the effects Independance would bring. So with Supermarkets closing as it would be cheaper to buy here & unemployment rising would it be such a good thing to do & why vote to break the Union because of Salmond & his Bigot Party ( he hates the English) loosehead

12:59pm Sun 25 Nov 12

southy says...

Better hope we don't have a major war soon, we will lose and be a conquered nation
Better hope we don't have a major war soon, we will lose and be a conquered nation southy

1:07pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Sir Ad E Noid says...

southy wrote:
Better hope we don't have a major war soon, we will lose and be a conquered nation
Oh dear, another dopey comment from the ill informed.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Better hope we don't have a major war soon, we will lose and be a conquered nation[/p][/quote]Oh dear, another dopey comment from the ill informed. Sir Ad E Noid

1:56pm Sun 25 Nov 12

southy says...

Sir Ad E Noid wrote:
southy wrote:
Better hope we don't have a major war soon, we will lose and be a conquered nation
Oh dear, another dopey comment from the ill informed.
Its not dopey at all, we are an island and maintain a war effort we need merchant ships with british crews, and we need the navy to protect those ships, lose the yards and we will not be able to build ships, and we would need to build extra to replace ships lost, a blockaid and this country would starve to death. Planes would not be able to bring in the amount we would need to substain a war effort
So the dopey comment and ill informed is coming from you Sir Ad E Noid
[quote][p][bold]Sir Ad E Noid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Better hope we don't have a major war soon, we will lose and be a conquered nation[/p][/quote]Oh dear, another dopey comment from the ill informed.[/p][/quote]Its not dopey at all, we are an island and maintain a war effort we need merchant ships with british crews, and we need the navy to protect those ships, lose the yards and we will not be able to build ships, and we would need to build extra to replace ships lost, a blockaid and this country would starve to death. Planes would not be able to bring in the amount we would need to substain a war effort So the dopey comment and ill informed is coming from you Sir Ad E Noid southy

8:27pm Sun 25 Nov 12

jonone says...

The problem is that the yards in Scotland have far more facilities and capability than Portsmouth. Portsmouth is fine for block manufacture, but Govan and Scotstoun have full manufacture capability. if you had to get rid of one, sadly it is a no brainer. I was, however, interested to see Nigel Whitehead named as UK Chief Executive - something I wasn't yet aware of!!
The problem is that the yards in Scotland have far more facilities and capability than Portsmouth. Portsmouth is fine for block manufacture, but Govan and Scotstoun have full manufacture capability. if you had to get rid of one, sadly it is a no brainer. I was, however, interested to see Nigel Whitehead named as UK Chief Executive - something I wasn't yet aware of!! jonone

7:52am Mon 26 Nov 12

townieboy says...

The treat isnt tha spanish armada any more. Its called a rucksack. dont need many ships to gurad against that.
The treat isnt tha spanish armada any more. Its called a rucksack. dont need many ships to gurad against that. townieboy

8:57am Mon 26 Nov 12

loosehead says...

townieboy wrote:
The treat isnt tha spanish armada any more. Its called a rucksack. dont need many ships to gurad against that.
No the threat is Alex Salmond & SNP's hate of the English.
We want to rule ourselves not be ruled by the English yet we want to keep the pound & stay in the EU?
do they think they will run Scotland inside the EU?
We only just get to rule the UK break it down to small countries & Germany & France will run roughshod over us.
So why are companies like BAE keeping Scottish Yards instead of English yards?
Has Salmond promised them something if Scotland breaks away?
[quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: The treat isnt tha spanish armada any more. Its called a rucksack. dont need many ships to gurad against that.[/p][/quote]No the threat is Alex Salmond & SNP's hate of the English. We want to rule ourselves not be ruled by the English yet we want to keep the pound & stay in the EU? do they think they will run Scotland inside the EU? We only just get to rule the UK break it down to small countries & Germany & France will run roughshod over us. So why are companies like BAE keeping Scottish Yards instead of English yards? Has Salmond promised them something if Scotland breaks away? loosehead

9:47am Mon 26 Nov 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Sir Ad E Noid wrote:
southy wrote:
Better hope we don't have a major war soon, we will lose and be a conquered nation
Oh dear, another dopey comment from the ill informed.
Its not dopey at all, we are an island and maintain a war effort we need merchant ships with british crews, and we need the navy to protect those ships, lose the yards and we will not be able to build ships, and we would need to build extra to replace ships lost, a blockaid and this country would starve to death. Planes would not be able to bring in the amount we would need to substain a war effort
So the dopey comment and ill informed is coming from you Sir Ad E Noid
You're just being silly for the sake of it.

Not going to happen.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Ad E Noid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Better hope we don't have a major war soon, we will lose and be a conquered nation[/p][/quote]Oh dear, another dopey comment from the ill informed.[/p][/quote]Its not dopey at all, we are an island and maintain a war effort we need merchant ships with british crews, and we need the navy to protect those ships, lose the yards and we will not be able to build ships, and we would need to build extra to replace ships lost, a blockaid and this country would starve to death. Planes would not be able to bring in the amount we would need to substain a war effort So the dopey comment and ill informed is coming from you Sir Ad E Noid[/p][/quote]You're just being silly for the sake of it. Not going to happen. Shoong

4:03pm Mon 26 Nov 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Sir Ad E Noid wrote:
southy wrote:
Better hope we don't have a major war soon, we will lose and be a conquered nation
Oh dear, another dopey comment from the ill informed.
Its not dopey at all, we are an island and maintain a war effort we need merchant ships with british crews, and we need the navy to protect those ships, lose the yards and we will not be able to build ships, and we would need to build extra to replace ships lost, a blockaid and this country would starve to death. Planes would not be able to bring in the amount we would need to substain a war effort
So the dopey comment and ill informed is coming from you Sir Ad E Noid
You're just being silly for the sake of it.

Not going to happen.
So your guaranteeing that there will be no more major wars on the same scale as WWII its only a fool that will think that while capitalism controls the world, this is going to be more more wars, and don't fall back on nuclear war even lo that as a greater chance of happening under capitalism but it will still take shipping to get goods that would be beeded after wards for what little there would be left.
Its just you who being silly for the sake of it, in thinking there will be no major war, we are on the path to a major one now.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Ad E Noid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Better hope we don't have a major war soon, we will lose and be a conquered nation[/p][/quote]Oh dear, another dopey comment from the ill informed.[/p][/quote]Its not dopey at all, we are an island and maintain a war effort we need merchant ships with british crews, and we need the navy to protect those ships, lose the yards and we will not be able to build ships, and we would need to build extra to replace ships lost, a blockaid and this country would starve to death. Planes would not be able to bring in the amount we would need to substain a war effort So the dopey comment and ill informed is coming from you Sir Ad E Noid[/p][/quote]You're just being silly for the sake of it. Not going to happen.[/p][/quote]So your guaranteeing that there will be no more major wars on the same scale as WWII its only a fool that will think that while capitalism controls the world, this is going to be more more wars, and don't fall back on nuclear war even lo that as a greater chance of happening under capitalism but it will still take shipping to get goods that would be beeded after wards for what little there would be left. Its just you who being silly for the sake of it, in thinking there will be no major war, we are on the path to a major one now. southy

6:12pm Mon 26 Nov 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Sir Ad E Noid wrote:
southy wrote:
Better hope we don't have a major war soon, we will lose and be a conquered nation
Oh dear, another dopey comment from the ill informed.
Its not dopey at all, we are an island and maintain a war effort we need merchant ships with british crews, and we need the navy to protect those ships, lose the yards and we will not be able to build ships, and we would need to build extra to replace ships lost, a blockaid and this country would starve to death. Planes would not be able to bring in the amount we would need to substain a war effort
So the dopey comment and ill informed is coming from you Sir Ad E Noid
You're just being silly for the sake of it.

Not going to happen.
So your guaranteeing that there will be no more major wars on the same scale as WWII its only a fool that will think that while capitalism controls the world, this is going to be more more wars, and don't fall back on nuclear war even lo that as a greater chance of happening under capitalism but it will still take shipping to get goods that would be beeded after wards for what little there would be left.
Its just you who being silly for the sake of it, in thinking there will be no major war, we are on the path to a major one now.
So when Communist China invaded socialist Vietnam it was capitalism at work was it?
It didn't last long but the Communist leadership cared so much for the people they made soldiers walk across the minefield so as there tanks wouldn't get damaged forget how many men got blown up
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Ad E Noid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Better hope we don't have a major war soon, we will lose and be a conquered nation[/p][/quote]Oh dear, another dopey comment from the ill informed.[/p][/quote]Its not dopey at all, we are an island and maintain a war effort we need merchant ships with british crews, and we need the navy to protect those ships, lose the yards and we will not be able to build ships, and we would need to build extra to replace ships lost, a blockaid and this country would starve to death. Planes would not be able to bring in the amount we would need to substain a war effort So the dopey comment and ill informed is coming from you Sir Ad E Noid[/p][/quote]You're just being silly for the sake of it. Not going to happen.[/p][/quote]So your guaranteeing that there will be no more major wars on the same scale as WWII its only a fool that will think that while capitalism controls the world, this is going to be more more wars, and don't fall back on nuclear war even lo that as a greater chance of happening under capitalism but it will still take shipping to get goods that would be beeded after wards for what little there would be left. Its just you who being silly for the sake of it, in thinking there will be no major war, we are on the path to a major one now.[/p][/quote]So when Communist China invaded socialist Vietnam it was capitalism at work was it? It didn't last long but the Communist leadership cared so much for the people they made soldiers walk across the minefield so as there tanks wouldn't get damaged forget how many men got blown up loosehead

8:57pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Sir Ad E Noid wrote:
southy wrote:
Better hope we don't have a major war soon, we will lose and be a conquered nation
Oh dear, another dopey comment from the ill informed.
Its not dopey at all, we are an island and maintain a war effort we need merchant ships with british crews, and we need the navy to protect those ships, lose the yards and we will not be able to build ships, and we would need to build extra to replace ships lost, a blockaid and this country would starve to death. Planes would not be able to bring in the amount we would need to substain a war effort
So the dopey comment and ill informed is coming from you Sir Ad E Noid
You're just being silly for the sake of it.

Not going to happen.
So your guaranteeing that there will be no more major wars on the same scale as WWII its only a fool that will think that while capitalism controls the world, this is going to be more more wars, and don't fall back on nuclear war even lo that as a greater chance of happening under capitalism but it will still take shipping to get goods that would be beeded after wards for what little there would be left.
Its just you who being silly for the sake of it, in thinking there will be no major war, we are on the path to a major one now.
Peter, Peter, Peter, take a deep breath and have another look of what you've just typed out.

If there are future wars, I hardly think the Merchant Navy are gong to be too involved and it'll be pretty much over before the air sirens are dusted off. Let me guess, you've got one in the attic.

War and it's technology has surpassed WW2 now, didn't you know?

Of course, if the Socialist Party were to be in power the threat of nuclear war would be 0%. It's only those evil capitalists that wage war isn't it?

Of course, history reflects there have been no aggressive Socialist governments have there? Doh.

Which is probably right actually, because Corsica could rock up on our shores and you'd bend over and receive a missile gladly.

Head in hands as I type this, can you please explain what major war we are heading for? It doesn't matter if you make it up again, I just want a laugh.

I suppose also you are stocked up ready for this oncoming war then? Is it best to boil water that you suspect is not sanitary or use those tablets the armed forces use? Do they sell them on Amazon or Boots?

If I were to stock up on baked beans, is it best to go for the cheap supermarket own brand or the more expensive variety, do the cheaper tins deteriorate and spoil the taste of the beans? After all, if there is to be a blockade and I'm stuck eating beans, I don't want them to taste all metallic.

And on this diet of fibre rich beans (technically they are stewed, did you know that? 'Course you do, why am I asking) will I be able to produce as much hot air in my lifetime as you do daily?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Ad E Noid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Better hope we don't have a major war soon, we will lose and be a conquered nation[/p][/quote]Oh dear, another dopey comment from the ill informed.[/p][/quote]Its not dopey at all, we are an island and maintain a war effort we need merchant ships with british crews, and we need the navy to protect those ships, lose the yards and we will not be able to build ships, and we would need to build extra to replace ships lost, a blockaid and this country would starve to death. Planes would not be able to bring in the amount we would need to substain a war effort So the dopey comment and ill informed is coming from you Sir Ad E Noid[/p][/quote]You're just being silly for the sake of it. Not going to happen.[/p][/quote]So your guaranteeing that there will be no more major wars on the same scale as WWII its only a fool that will think that while capitalism controls the world, this is going to be more more wars, and don't fall back on nuclear war even lo that as a greater chance of happening under capitalism but it will still take shipping to get goods that would be beeded after wards for what little there would be left. Its just you who being silly for the sake of it, in thinking there will be no major war, we are on the path to a major one now.[/p][/quote]Peter, Peter, Peter, take a deep breath and have another look of what you've just typed out. If there are future wars, I hardly think the Merchant Navy are gong to be too involved and it'll be pretty much over before the air sirens are dusted off. Let me guess, you've got one in the attic. War and it's technology has surpassed WW2 now, didn't you know? Of course, if the Socialist Party were to be in power the threat of nuclear war would be 0%. It's only those evil capitalists that wage war isn't it? Of course, history reflects there have been no aggressive Socialist governments have there? Doh. Which is probably right actually, because Corsica could rock up on our shores and you'd bend over and receive a missile gladly. Head in hands as I type this, can you please explain what major war we are heading for? It doesn't matter if you make it up again, I just want a laugh. I suppose also you are stocked up ready for this oncoming war then? Is it best to boil water that you suspect is not sanitary or use those tablets the armed forces use? Do they sell them on Amazon or Boots? If I were to stock up on baked beans, is it best to go for the cheap supermarket own brand or the more expensive variety, do the cheaper tins deteriorate and spoil the taste of the beans? After all, if there is to be a blockade and I'm stuck eating beans, I don't want them to taste all metallic. And on this diet of fibre rich beans (technically they are stewed, did you know that? 'Course you do, why am I asking) will I be able to produce as much hot air in my lifetime as you do daily? Shoong

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