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Outcry as popular 442s bow out

10:48am Tuesday 23rd January 2007

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SOUTH West Trains is now renewing its ageing fleet on the Southampton and Bournemouth lines.

The move will see it replace all of its 20-year-old class 442 trains on the Weymouth to Waterloo line with modern class 444 Desiro trains, pictured.

The 24-train replacement programme on the line will be completed in February, but has attracted criticism from rail users and a local MP.

South West Trains said that it carried out a review of capacity across the network to "make sure it provides as many seats as possible where they are most needed".

A spokeswoman said that the train replacement was not a cost-cutting exercise.

"Our leasing costs will have increased by a considerable amount," she said.

She said that customers would benefit from more standard seats, an increase of 18 to 299 on five coaches, on-board CCTV, power sockets in first class and curtains.

However Denis Fryer, of the South Hampshire Rail Users group, said that the seats were harder, the air conditioning noisy and there were fewer tables with the blocks of four seats favoured by families.

The class 444 also has 15 fewer first class seats, he added.

Eastleigh MP Chris Huhne also criticised the decision to replace the class 442 units, which he said could have remained in service until 2020.

"It is ridiculous, given the desperate need for more trains in this country, that these efficient, popular trains will be left getting rusty in the sidings," he said.

South West Trains renewed its franchise last year, agreeing to pay the government £1.2bn over ten years.

The company is planning to shed about 50 jobs at the Bournemouth depot where the class 442s are maintained, through 17 voluntary redundancies and other relocations.


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Andy, says...
12:57pm Tue 23 Jan 07

The SWT Spokeswoman is needless to say hiding the truth. The Class 442s are coming off lease to SWT and are simply being returned to Porterbrook (the leasing company). The Class 444s are themselves cascaded because they are being replaced by Class 458s that were mainly sat in sidings at Wimbledon doing nothing because of reliability and Health and Safety issues. SWT won its franchise extension by agreeing to pay more BACK to the Government than its rival bidders, and it did this by factoring the handing back of 442s into its bid equations. Passenger comfort and overcrowding are the very last thing on SWT's mind - so we can look forward to standing on uncomfortable trains and seeing the Class 442s all parked up in sidings doing nothing. There is no other operator who can take these splendid trains and they will simply rust away.

Railfan, says...
4:17pm Tue 23 Jan 07

Andy has forgotten that the Class 442 was built on the chassis of the Class 4REP. The class was built in 1966,so it may be that parts are life expired. I don't think their are many people doing half a million mile a year in a forty year old car.
The commuters are always whinging about something. Nobody makes them work 670 miles from home, they only do it for the money. Get a job nearer home and have more time in bed.

Andy, says...
7:41am Wed 24 Jan 07

Hi Railfan, far from it - I used to ride regularly on the 4REPs on the Bournemouth line. I think the 442s use refurbished traction equipment from the 4REPs but the carriages and bogies were new, which is why the ride quality is far superior. They were built for the Wessex line whereas the 444s are standard outer suburban units. Anyway I think we both agree that they are fine machines. All the best!

Dave Baxter, says...
4:26am Thu 1 Feb 07

Andy is absolutely correct. Additionally, the Class 455s that are used on outer-suburban services from London Waterloo have motors that were pulled from the older 4SUB and 2HAP trains that were originally built between 1941-51 and 1956-63 respectively. The 442's traction equipment is far from expired. Only the newest 4REPs donated traction equipment for the 442s, and they were only about 35 years old at the time. Electric motors will go on for a long time if properly maintained.

Frankly, this whole issue is about leasing costs. The 458s (Reading line) are very cheap for SWT as their parent company, Stagecoach, owned Porterbrook, who built the 458s, at the time they were built. So despite their immense unreliability, they're being reintroduced and the other stock cascaded. Angel Trains, who own the 442s, won't reduce the leasing cost, so SWT have got rid of them. Simple as.

bob jones, london says...
2:16pm Fri 2 Feb 07

It is an obvious fact that Southwest trains is indeed, a sham of a company. It is also obvious that siemens was the cheapest option in terms of buying new trains, no other reason. I just cant believe that they dont pay consideration to what the cutomers think. On an unrealistic subject is has amazingly been proven that people would rather have the slamm door back on service rather than siemens. Strangley a the buffet man on the 442 the other night told memthat actually there is possibility that 442's wcould retain service in 6 months from now if needed. That is good news.

Antony Henley - Poole, www.Hentis-Rail.co.uk says...
7:47pm Fri 2 Feb 07


A spokeswoman said "customers would benefit from more standard seats, an increase of 18 to 299 on five coaches, on-board CCTV, power sockets in first class and curtains."

I'd rather have a comfy seat then an electric socket and curatains any day. Curtains are no good to me stood up or and electrical socket!!! Also the original plan was to have the buffets on these units removed, the guards area made smaller (not like the goldfish bowl on the Desiro's)and enough standard seating to be introduced So the Class 442 would have about the same amount of seating as a 444. But that was pulled by SWT. Who made it known weeks beofre they were awarded the franchise that Bournemouth Depot would be being downgraded from a maintenance depot to cleaning due to the Class 442's coming off lease. ITs disgusting that SWT should do this. The next lot of people that will pay for the £1.2 billion SWT has to pay back is the passengers.

SWT should be ashamed of them selves.

antony Henley

Ex 442 Driver, London says...
7:00pm Thu 1 May 08

I liked the 442s but there were problems with them.

1) Driver training.Unlike the desiros there were only 24 of these machines so driver training was costly.As desiro's go everywhere they are included in the basic driving course.

I spent driving 6 years driving 442s down to Weymouth as the junior drivers were not trained up on 442's or were not conversant with the Weymouth road.

The units were becoming more and more reliable it's not sure why it was whether there was an upping of the current for the 450/444s equipment and air conditioning.150+ trains take quite a bit of juice.450's 444's still aren't working to their full potential to this day.

The increased current caused the 442's to break down even more and I don't know how many times I had seen a 442 with burnt out motors or wheelskates on but it was quite a few times.

I have been driving trains for 20 years and still to this day the 442's hold the record for the most brakedowns in my car
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