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    Linesman wrote:
    loosehead wrote:
    MGRA wrote:
    Ford Prefect wrote:
    MGRA, unions in general don't want strikes. It's hard for their members to give up their pay and they are only likely to support a strike as a last resort - which, because of Roy Smith's determination to force worse conditions on the workforce, is what happened here.

    I know Daily Mail journalists and the chatterers in the Conservative club all believe that working people are just itching to strike at the drop of a hat or that they are forced to do so by trade union "barons" but that really isn't the case. Every day on strike is a day's pay lost. You've really got to be in a position where there is no alternative before you are going to volunteer for that.

    And, by the way, you lost the election. Convincingly. Crushingly. Lost.
    I love the way labour supporters jump up and down in celebration when hardly anyone bothered to vote... I saw the desperate labour machine in action that day, driving bewildered pensioners to polling stations... well they got what they wanted,,, now lets see how they get on with discovering their money trees that they need to deliver what they stated. It was simply an illusion. They are only interested in power. The supreme irony is that as always they will mess it up on a grand scale and Denham and his other stooge will probably loose their seats at the next general election.. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining.... as for unions using strikes as a last resort.... anyone who thinks that is true is probably also likely to be convinced to vote labour if the offer of a free ride to the booths is on offer...
    It was our fault not getting enough Tory voters voting so in the end they were elected by the majority who could be bothered now is the time to sit back & let them hang themselves & to use the Echo & the BBC to show what a bad job they're doing.
    We have to learn from the Labour/Union campaign they used all forms of news media to get their point over even U-Turning on most of them we need a better use of the press to show the good we were doing & we want to do.
    Do that & wait for two years & then see who the people vote for
    You blame the Unions for the Tory demise in Southampton, but looking at results, they were stuffed all over the country.

    Please don't tell me that every authority that fell to Labour had rubbish piling up in their streets, or had seen so many of their workers thrown out of their jobs.

    In Southampton the cause was down to an arrogant, pig-headed, 'I know best' person who had no idea of man management or city management and certainly no idea of how to negotiate with Unions. Unions are representatives of their members, and expect people to negotiate in good faith. That did not happen, and the result is plain for all to see.
    Linesman the council tried in the beginning to negotiate & even the Unions admit they put forward 5 proposals compromising each time.
    the Unions rejected every proposal, they were asked for a solution they said it wasn't down to them.
    the council had to cut £25million from the yearly bill so enforced the latest proposal which would save as many jobs as possible.
    They went at the unions bequest to ACAS & the Unions refused to talk the council put forward another proposal but the unions wouldn't talk.
    Then months later the three unions & the council accepted that very same proposal ?
    Only for Unite to renege on the deal & tell it's members to vote against it.
    Now tell me where the Tories failed to compromise & negotiate?
    Then tell me how long will it be before they get their money back from this Labour council?
    Also tell me if council tax goes up by £10-£20 a month how is a refuse worker who only lost 2% of his pay be better off?
    You should watch that program on BBC 2 about a guy trying to bring back manufacturing from China.took on 17 new employees 5 left with out even telling him others just take sickies for no reason ( felt tired).
    we have to get it so people change their attitudes to work.
    I don't want people to feel as if they're the lowest of the low for being on the dole but it's got to be some thing you avoid at all costs & even if you hate the work you'll do it rather than being on the dole that's how it was when I was young"
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Mixed reaction to Labour taking control of Southampton City Council

Labour activists celebrate their election win

Labour activists celebrate their election win

First published in Business Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Education Reporter

UNION bosses have hailed Labour’s Southampton council election victory, but business leaders are giving the city’s new red dawn only a cautious welcome.

The reactions will partly boost incoming leader Richard Williams, but also hint at the challenges he faces now he is in power.

The new administration’s first job when it formally takes over Southampton City Council next week will be to sit down with union bosses in a bid to hammer out a deal to finally lift the industrial action hanging over the authority for the past 12 months.

If it can’t convince workers to sign up to its plans for dealing with budget cuts, it could face further disruption and a £12m bill from legal claims over the controversial pay cuts for staff forced through by the Tories last year.

However, once that huge task has been completed Labour councillors must then set about convincing commerce leaders they mean Business.

Union Unite has congratulated Cllr Williams and his team on victory in last Thursday’s elections, saying the result sent a “resounding message” to the Conservatives over cuts.

Regional secretary John Rowse said: “The people of this great city have stood up and said no more can you cut our services, slash our jobs and destroy our communities.

“The campaign to rid this city of the cuts scourge was a success because working people and their unions joined forces to unseat a council leadership that was out of touch with the needs of Southampton.”

Meanwhile, the reaction from business leaders to Labour has been far more measured.

Sally Lynskey, chief executive of Business Solent said wants to hear how Labour will help Southampton take its “many opportunities to earn its rightful place on the map of leading cities”.

She said: “Business Solent looks forward to receiving a briefing from the new leader of the council and working in partnership with his team to continue to strive to make the city the best place to work, invest, live, study and enjoy.”

Chris Treacher, managing director of Wise Catering, said he was concerned the party’s 50-point manifesto was “light on business issues”, and wants to see more done to encourage the “tentative signs of life coming back to the city”

He said: “The new Labour council must make sure that it listens to the views of businesses and shows that it is a party that supports economic prosperity for the city. An early test will be how the leader deals with the council pay issues.”

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