Traders 'fear supermarket extension' (From Daily Echo)

In all fairness, the state the market owners leave the town centre once they are done for the day is horrific!

I am all for development of Eastleigh, lets hope Sainsbury's can improve the town centre.

Well a few options:

1* Build a roof top park on top of Sainsburys, though would need to be disability friendly, lifts and all.

2* Sainsburys could be built more as a shopping centre and be over 2 or 3 stories instead of longer and wider like a M&S or John Lewis type store.

3* Go build else where in the near by industrial parks near Leigh Road.

4* Build out into the Bus Depot and move the Bus Depot to where the Taxi Rank is and then move the Taxi Rank into 2 sections one at the Train Station and the other out side Natwest up to the Bus depot, also remove the back Multi-Story and put roof top parking in place.

though yes just going wider and longer is cheaper then doing a lot of remodelling, it's just a few examples that might keep Eastleigh Peeps happy and the Market stalls also happy.

To be fair, Eastleigh market has been in decline for the last couple of years, I used to shop there for quite often, but it is now half the size it used to be, and the stalls that turn up don't offer anything that cannot be bought from stores in town, as cheaply. Bring on the Sainsburys, the current store is too small to be useful, and the area around it is grubby and tired, Perhaps the improvements will encourage better market stalls, ie local produce in a farmers market style, rather than the outdated market that turns up now.

I just wish the supermarkets would all F*** OFF and leave us all alone once and for all!

It doesn't matter whether the market is any good or not and I'm bored of this over used expression 'to be fair'...Fair to WHOM, I ask?? Sainsburys, that's who!

The market is dying, at least this will create jobs

ju_ju68 wrote:
To be fair, Eastleigh market has been in decline for the last couple of years, I used to shop there for quite often, but it is now half the size it used to be, and the stalls that turn up don't offer anything that cannot be bought from stores in town, as cheaply. Bring on the Sainsburys, the current store is too small to be useful, and the area around it is grubby and tired, Perhaps the improvements will encourage better market stalls, ie local produce in a farmers market style, rather than the outdated market that turns up now.

Yes but why carve up the last bit of green recreational space in Eastleigh to house it? I'm all for Sainsburys but I'm dead against that.

Maybe sainsburys could provide the market traders with jobs in their store. They will after all have excellent customer service skills.

The market is all but dead anyway if Sainsbury's develop the site it might re-invigorat the whole town including the market and there is plenty of space to relocate the market if it grew,this development is just what Eastleigh needs to shake of that tired look and encourage other businesses to fill some of our empty shops. As far as the recreation ground is concerned Sainsbury's only want a small piece and although that is a loss i consider that a small price to pay for the benefits the development will bring.

http://sainsburys-ea
stleigh.co.uk/

Worth a look if you haven't seen the proposal.

Smartiepants wrote:

ju_ju68 wrote: To be fair, Eastleigh market has been in decline for the last couple of years, I used to shop there for quite often, but it is now half the size it used to be, and the stalls that turn up don't offer anything that cannot be bought from stores in town, as cheaply. Bring on the Sainsburys, the current store is too small to be useful, and the area around it is grubby and tired, Perhaps the improvements will encourage better market stalls, ie local produce in a farmers market style, rather than the outdated market that turns up now.

Yes but why carve up the last bit of green recreational space in Eastleigh to house it? I'm all for Sainsburys but I'm dead against that.

Erm...Fleming Park Golf Course (as was) is now public space.
Fleming Park still there.
Lakeside is still there.

All the market does is create less space for people to move between the shops they really want to go to.

Build it now I say.

Has everyone FORGOTTEN the local independent shops? Yes perhaps the market may be outdated, and yes I think a local produce style farmers market would be better, but this is people's livelyhoods at stake. What if you spent most of your life trying to build up an independent business, and that was all you survived upon? And then a huge chain supermarket threatens to destroy all your business??
How would you feel? I know I'd feel devastated.
Those empty shops won't be filled, because people won't want be able to compete with Sainsbury's. The whole local independent businesses will be destroyed by huge profit making supermarkets. We must do something and protect this.

GregETNet wrote:
Has everyone FORGOTTEN the local independent shops? Yes perhaps the market may be outdated, and yes I think a local produce style farmers market would be better, but this is people's livelyhoods at stake. What if you spent most of your life trying to build up an independent business, and that was all you survived upon? And then a huge chain supermarket threatens to destroy all your business?? How would you feel? I know I'd feel devastated. Those empty shops won't be filled, because people won't want be able to compete with Sainsbury's. The whole local independent businesses will be destroyed by huge profit making supermarkets. We must do something and protect this.

It's not like it'll be an entirely new store. There has been a supermarket there for 30 years.

I can't think of any independent business that would suffer directly as a result of expanding the existing store.

I will continue to use the greengrocer in Market St. Apart from them, the rest are charity shops, eateries or large chains anyway.

Good to see the private sector in action here, taking up the slack caused by public sector cuts.

GregETNet wrote:
Has everyone FORGOTTEN the local independent shops? Yes perhaps the market may be outdated, and yes I think a local produce style farmers market would be better, but this is people's livelyhoods at stake. What if you spent most of your life trying to build up an independent business, and that was all you survived upon? And then a huge chain supermarket threatens to destroy all your business??
How would you feel? I know I'd feel devastated.
Those empty shops won't be filled, because people won't want be able to compete with Sainsbury's. The whole local independent businesses will be destroyed by huge profit making supermarkets. We must do something and protect this.

Some would say 'Welcome to the 21st Century'.

Georgem wrote:
Good to see the private sector in action here, taking up the slack caused by public sector cuts.

How dare you suggest such a thing, it's akin to blasphemy you know.

GregETNet wrote:
Has everyone FORGOTTEN the local independent shops? Yes perhaps the market may be outdated, and yes I think a local produce style farmers market would be better, but this is people's livelyhoods at stake. What if you spent most of your life trying to build up an independent business, and that was all you survived upon? And then a huge chain supermarket threatens to destroy all your business??
How would you feel? I know I'd feel devastated.
Those empty shops won't be filled, because people won't want be able to compete with Sainsbury's. The whole local independent businesses will be destroyed by huge profit making supermarkets. We must do something and protect this.

You realise, of course, that all these "evil supermarkets" started out as local independent shops, right? In fact, one of them - Tesco - started off as a market stall. They offered something that people wanted - value for money - and the people responded by buying, in droves. That's what businesses are supposed to do: succeed. What are you proposing? That we put a legal cap on how successfully someone is allowed to run their business?

GregETNet wrote:
Has everyone FORGOTTEN the local independent shops? Yes perhaps the market may be outdated, and yes I think a local produce style farmers market would be better, but this is people's livelyhoods at stake. What if you spent most of your life trying to build up an independent business, and that was all you survived upon? And then a huge chain supermarket threatens to destroy all your business??
How would you feel? I know I'd feel devastated.
Those empty shops won't be filled, because people won't want be able to compete with Sainsbury's. The whole local independent businesses will be destroyed by huge profit making supermarkets. We must do something and protect this.

And just what line of business are you in??? if people run the right business and sell at the right price they will succeed, and Sainsbury's will just attract people from a larger area so increasing the footfall for all the other shops. And if Eastleigh wasn't so well off regarding recreational land i might have agreed with Smartiepants but as we are lucky enough to have so much leasing a little bit to Sainsbury's is hardly the end of the earth.

Report this post » Georgem says...
2:20pm Wed 9 May 12

''What are you proposing? That we put a legal cap on how successfully someone is allowed to run their business?''

Thats EXACTLY what should happen. When a giant gets too big he puts his foot down & crushes everybody in its way. There is no need for a Tesco, Sainsburys & Asda. I remember 2-3 butchers in eastleigh, 2 fishmongers, 4-5 shoe shops, loads of greengrocers & independent stores all competing against each other. Nobody had ever heard of price fixing & multi nationals. Eastleigh may have been untidy 30 years ago, but it was a vibrant place with loads of different shops, what has it got now? Charity shops, take aways & drop outs dossing outside costas. You can keep the 21st century.

ottred wrote:
Report this post » Georgem says...
2:20pm Wed 9 May 12

''What are you proposing? That we put a legal cap on how successfully someone is allowed to run their business?''

Thats EXACTLY what should happen. When a giant gets too big he puts his foot down & crushes everybody in its way. There is no need for a Tesco, Sainsburys & Asda. I remember 2-3 butchers in eastleigh, 2 fishmongers, 4-5 shoe shops, loads of greengrocers & independent stores all competing against each other. Nobody had ever heard of price fixing & multi nationals. Eastleigh may have been untidy 30 years ago, but it was a vibrant place with loads of different shops, what has it got now? Charity shops, take aways & drop outs dossing outside costas. You can keep the 21st century.

And where is the "too big" line drawn? Who's to say? How would you police it? How would you enforce it? Suppose I run a supermarket, and The Business Police tell me I'm getting too big. What then? I have to close down? Great. Sorry, everyone who works here, you're all sacked. Sorry, all the other local businesses that supply me, I'm no longer allowed to trade with you?

No, can't do that. So what, then? I'm forced to raise my prices, to stop competing so much? Fair enough, my profits go up. Ok, stop competing in other ways. How? My supermarket is incredibly convenient for people. So do I employ staff to prod random customers with pointed sticks, to stop so many of them coming?

How, exactly, do you legally cap success? Don't just state a desired outcome, tell me how you propose we implement this, practically.

There are two ways to handle the problem of these large companies. One, persuade everybody to stop buying from them. That means, we all have to accept higher prices. In this time when everybody is already complaining about how tight money is. It also means you have to find jobs for all the people whose current livelihood is dependent on these large companies. How many farms would go out of business, how many logistics firms, packaging manufacturers, would go out of business, if we got rid of all the supermarkets?

The other way to deal with the problem is to stop thinking of it as a problem. These companies have succeeded, precisely because they provide a service WE demand. They all started small. It's not like someone borrowed fifty quintillion pounds from the bank, to found Walmart with.

So explain to me how you would go about actually creating the small business Xanadu you propose.

ottred wrote:
Report this post » Georgem says... 2:20pm Wed 9 May 12 ''What are you proposing? That we put a legal cap on how successfully someone is allowed to run their business?'' Thats EXACTLY what should happen. When a giant gets too big he puts his foot down & crushes everybody in its way. There is no need for a Tesco, Sainsburys & Asda. I remember 2-3 butchers in eastleigh, 2 fishmongers, 4-5 shoe shops, loads of greengrocers & independent stores all competing against each other. Nobody had ever heard of price fixing & multi nationals. Eastleigh may have been untidy 30 years ago, but it was a vibrant place with loads of different shops, what has it got now? Charity shops, take aways & drop outs dossing outside costas. You can keep the 21st century.

And would you support all these shops at the prices they would have to charge to make a worthwhile business?

Huffter wrote:

ottred wrote:
Report this post » Georgem says... 2:20pm Wed 9 May 12 ''What are you proposing? That we put a legal cap on how successfully someone is allowed to run their business?'' Thats EXACTLY what should happen. When a giant gets too big he puts his foot down & crushes everybody in its way. There is no need for a Tesco, Sainsburys & Asda. I remember 2-3 butchers in eastleigh, 2 fishmongers, 4-5 shoe shops, loads of greengrocers & independent stores all competing against each other. Nobody had ever heard of price fixing & multi nationals. Eastleigh may have been untidy 30 years ago, but it was a vibrant place with loads of different shops, what has it got now? Charity shops, take aways & drop outs dossing outside costas. You can keep the 21st century.

And would you support all these shops at the prices they would have to charge to make a worthwhile business?

Not to mention, stop using them the moment they decided they needed larger premises, or showed any signs of expansion.

To be fair i liked the old fashioned high street with shops like Woolworth's /Maypole / Home and Colonial they all added charm and character and the bakers and cobblers added their smells, but like the horse and cart they are from a bygone age and the supermarkets are what people want. As businesses Tesco/Asda /Sainsbury's and all the others are just providing what the customer wants, it is us the public that are the driving force behind all of these stores so don't blame them for wanting to expand, look in the mirror if you want somebody to blame.

Lots of people don't realise the true scale of this extension. They should all know what they will end up with and how much will be lost! Overlay the proposed plan onto an existing one and the impact is HUGE! This will destroy the urban fabric of the park and impact on Leigh Road as well if they do push the store further out that way. Do people honestly expect this to "Regenerate" the town centre? Get real - we're talking about a supermarket!!The park is beautiful - leave it be. We'll never get back that public space once it's gone. I'm all for improving the existing store, but the impact is far too great. EBC will jump at any prospect of getting some fat development contributions! The whole thing stinks just like the Point extension. I'd urge anyone who feels the same way to lodge an objection online to the council. Click the link below.

http://www.eastleigh
.gov.uk/fastweb/welc
ome.asp.

Search Leigh Road and you should see the Sainsbury's application.

James-Hants wrote:
In all fairness, the state the market owners leave the town centre once they are done for the day is horrific!

I am all for development of Eastleigh, lets hope Sainsbury's can improve the town centre.

The market traders do not leave rubbish at the end of a days trading they use the bins provided which they pay for!

ju_ju68 wrote:
To be fair, Eastleigh market has been in decline for the last couple of years, I used to shop there for quite often, but it is now half the size it used to be, and the stalls that turn up don't offer anything that cannot be bought from stores in town, as cheaply. Bring on the Sainsburys, the current store is too small to be useful, and the area around it is grubby and tired, Perhaps the improvements will encourage better market stalls, ie local produce in a farmers market style, rather than the outdated market that turns up now.

So where in Eastleigh can you buy knitting wool cheaper than on the market????