Shipping minister: Liverpool may face financial penalty in cruise cash row (From Daily Echo)

Hold on a minute, Government employees are operating from the temporary cruise terminal???

Well we give away power to Brussels we have to accept the consequences from Brussels when acting against any agreement to the use of EU funding. Liverpool tried to bully their way into having the money accepted but in the end common sense and the right decision will prevail!

Hope they make an example of them.

Mr Penning said in his letter: “The fact that Liverpool City Council has now pre-empted the Commission and commenced turnaround before a state aids decision has been made does leave it open, in the event of a finding of unlawful Aid, to the possibility of financial penalties, including repayment of grants from the European regional development fund. This is however a matter for the Commission.”

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IF and it's a big IF, Liverpool faces financial penalties for using the facilities ahead of an EU decision then the UK government would also be in the dock since they allowed the government employees ( Border Agency Staff ) who work at the terminal, to work when they could have sanctioned the use of the facility.

Mr Pennington don't try and wriggle out of this, you would be as guilty as anybody else if that were the case.

Cowardly move Echo..you have 'buried' the original story with this one...so I will repeat..We In The Great Port City Of Liverpool All Hope That Every Penny is Re-payed ..if only to shut you whinging b**stards up..amen to that.

The Salv wrote:
Hope they make an example of them.

Go straight to JAIL Mr Pennington and take Bungle and Zippy with you.

georgetheseventh wrote:
Cowardly move Echo..you have 'buried' the original story with this one...so I will repeat..We In The Great Port City Of Liverpool All Hope That Every Penny is Re-payed ..if only to shut you whinging b**stards up..amen to that.

Well said !!!!

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
Well we give away power to Brussels we have to accept the consequences from Brussels when acting against any agreement to the use of EU funding. Liverpool tried to bully their way into having the money accepted but in the end common sense and the right decision will prevail!

You are simply a DOPE...go to bed..NOW !!!!!!!!

ronn12 wrote:

georgetheseventh wrote:
Cowardly move Echo..you have 'buried' the original story with this one...so I will repeat..We In The Great Port City Of Liverpool All Hope That Every Penny is Re-payed ..if only to shut you whinging b**stards up..amen to that.

Well said !!!!

Why are you even on here you sad muppets!! Still when Moyes goes to Spurs and u end up with 2 sh*t football teams you won't have anything better to do will you !! pmsl

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
Mr Penning said in his letter: “The fact that Liverpool City Council has now pre-empted the Commission and commenced turnaround before a state aids decision has been made does leave it open, in the event of a finding of unlawful Aid, to the possibility of financial penalties, including repayment of grants from the European regional development fund. This is however a matter for the Commission.”

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IF and it's a big IF, Liverpool faces financial penalties for using the facilities ahead of an EU decision then the UK government would also be in the dock since they allowed the government employees ( Border Agency Staff ) who work at the terminal, to work when they could have sanctioned the use of the facility.

Mr Pennington don't try and wriggle out of this, you would be as guilty as anybody else if that were the case.

Mr Penning last month announced he would lift strict restriction on the terminal, limiting its use to calling cruises, if the council agrees to pay back £8.8m of UK funding.

"But he said easing the restriction was subject to EU state aid clearance".
Why didn't you copy this bit of the article?
Here in black & White are the conditions & your council has breached them.

georgetheseventh wrote:
Cowardly move Echo..you have 'buried' the original story with this one...so I will repeat..We In The Great Port City Of Liverpool All Hope That Every Penny is Re-payed ..if only to shut you whinging b**stards up..amen to that.

I wonder what the Workers in Wales will be calling you lot now they can read you cheering the creation of 150 jobs by Unilever whilst they have all lost their jobs?
I wonder if you were losing hundreds of jobs & they were going to Southampton & say Swansea if you wouldn't be whinging b**tards?

loosehead wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
Mr Penning said in his letter: “The fact that Liverpool City Council has now pre-empted the Commission and commenced turnaround before a state aids decision has been made does leave it open, in the event of a finding of unlawful Aid, to the possibility of financial penalties, including repayment of grants from the European regional development fund. This is however a matter for the Commission.”

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IF and it's a big IF, Liverpool faces financial penalties for using the facilities ahead of an EU decision then the UK government would also be in the dock since they allowed the government employees ( Border Agency Staff ) who work at the terminal, to work when they could have sanctioned the use of the facility.

Mr Pennington don't try and wriggle out of this, you would be as guilty as anybody else if that were the case.

Mr Penning last month announced he would lift strict restriction on the terminal, limiting its use to calling cruises, if the council agrees to pay back £8.8m of UK funding.

"But he said easing the restriction was subject to EU state aid clearance".
Why didn't you copy this bit of the article?
Here in black & White are the conditions & your council has breached them.

Mike Pennington could have easily withdrawn " Border Agency Staff " if he had wanted to. He is after all a minister in the government and doe's have some powers. He khad plenty of warning about the sailing from the cruise terminal, so he can't wriggle out of the fact that he allowed the sailing and in law would be as culpable as Liverpool City Council in allowing it to happen.

NO IF'S OR BUT'S ABOUT THAT.

Lets assume for a second that Liverpool DID have to pay the money back to the EU (which I don't think will be the case) The idea that the city should also face 'penalties' is completely ridiculous. What would the penalties be for? It can't be proven that these ships that are sailing from Liverpool would necessarily use other ports. And it should purely be an EU matter anyway in my opinion.

I wish some of you people down there would face the fact that it is not unreasonable for folk in Northern England and Scotland to have some choices when it comes to their holiday travel. Why should they be expected in some cases to traipse the whole length of the country just so you can keep an virtual monopoly that you yourselves largely built on the back of past state aid handouts?

17.8m Daily Echo, not 21m. When will you tell the truth?.

What a pity this story has, again, descended into a slanging match.

Liverpool has always had 'turnaround' cruises, the only change is they can now use the landing stage again after some 40 years. If this were illegal in some way then the inaugural cruise simply would not have gone ahead. The terminal has to be staffed by customs/border agency staff, they would not be allowed to operate an illegal terminal. The UK grant is being repaid, the EU grant did not have the same restrictions as the UK grant, the temporary terminal is up & running.

I live in London, have friends in Southampton and family in Liverpool and I have to say that this ongoing row has not cast Southampton in a very good light. All the talk of Liverpudlians being thieves, of liners on bricks, of unemployed scallies is just disgraceful, it's no wonder that people from Liverpool come on here and give as much as they are forced to get.

Southampton & Liverpool have more similarities than differences. Get a grip, you're both better than this.

Merseywaters, The turnaround cruises this year are Liverpool traffic, transferred from Langton Dock.
Next years addition. Fred Olsen is a return to Liverpool after their withdrawal on safety grounds from Langton Dock.
Indeed, it is Liverpool who have lost traffic/business to other ports when Fred Olsen withdrew.
There can be no case made that Liverpool is stealing/pinching/pe
rloining, call it what you want, from other ports. None.

farandolae wrote:
What a pity this story has, again, descended into a slanging match.

Liverpool has always had 'turnaround' cruises, the only change is they can now use the landing stage again after some 40 years. If this were illegal in some way then the inaugural cruise simply would not have gone ahead. The terminal has to be staffed by customs/border agency staff, they would not be allowed to operate an illegal terminal. The UK grant is being repaid, the EU grant did not have the same restrictions as the UK grant, the temporary terminal is up & running.

I live in London, have friends in Southampton and family in Liverpool and I have to say that this ongoing row has not cast Southampton in a very good light. All the talk of Liverpudlians being thieves, of liners on bricks, of unemployed scallies is just disgraceful, it's no wonder that people from Liverpool come on here and give as much as they are forced to get.

Southampton & Liverpool have more similarities than differences. Get a grip, you're both better than this.

Thank heavens you have joined this discussion, you have simply re-iterated what I have been saying all along.
This item has got out of control mainly because of the inaccurate figures quoted and a complete lack of understanding, of the basic facts of the matter.

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

farandolae wrote:
What a pity this story has, again, descended into a slanging match.

Liverpool has always had 'turnaround' cruises, the only change is they can now use the landing stage again after some 40 years. If this were illegal in some way then the inaugural cruise simply would not have gone ahead. The terminal has to be staffed by customs/border agency staff, they would not be allowed to operate an illegal terminal. The UK grant is being repaid, the EU grant did not have the same restrictions as the UK grant, the temporary terminal is up & running.

I live in London, have friends in Southampton and family in Liverpool and I have to say that this ongoing row has not cast Southampton in a very good light. All the talk of Liverpudlians being thieves, of liners on bricks, of unemployed scallies is just disgraceful, it's no wonder that people from Liverpool come on here and give as much as they are forced to get.

Southampton & Liverpool have more similarities than differences. Get a grip, you're both better than this.

Thank heavens you have joined this discussion, you have simply re-iterated what I have been saying all along.
This item has got out of control mainly because of the inaccurate figures quoted and a complete lack of understanding, of the basic facts of the matter.

''Southampton & Liverpool have more similarities than differences''. Thats so true - they are both sh*tholes - the difference is that most people in Southampton know that and don't deny it!

andysaints007 wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

farandolae wrote:
What a pity this story has, again, descended into a slanging match.

Liverpool has always had 'turnaround' cruises, the only change is they can now use the landing stage again after some 40 years. If this were illegal in some way then the inaugural cruise simply would not have gone ahead. The terminal has to be staffed by customs/border agency staff, they would not be allowed to operate an illegal terminal. The UK grant is being repaid, the EU grant did not have the same restrictions as the UK grant, the temporary terminal is up & running.

I live in London, have friends in Southampton and family in Liverpool and I have to say that this ongoing row has not cast Southampton in a very good light. All the talk of Liverpudlians being thieves, of liners on bricks, of unemployed scallies is just disgraceful, it's no wonder that people from Liverpool come on here and give as much as they are forced to get.

Southampton & Liverpool have more similarities than differences. Get a grip, you're both better than this.

Thank heavens you have joined this discussion, you have simply re-iterated what I have been saying all along.
This item has got out of control mainly because of the inaccurate figures quoted and a complete lack of understanding, of the basic facts of the matter.

''Southampton & Liverpool have more similarities than differences''. Thats so true - they are both sh*tholes - the difference is that most people in Southampton know that and don't deny it!

I'm sorry you see it that way . I obviously have greater aspirations than you and only have to look around where I live to know that i don't live in such a hole as you refer.

arizonan wrote:
Merseywaters, The turnaround cruises this year are Liverpool traffic, transferred from Langton Dock.
Next years addition. Fred Olsen is a return to Liverpool after their withdrawal on safety grounds from Langton Dock.
Indeed, it is Liverpool who have lost traffic/business to other ports when Fred Olsen withdrew.
There can be no case made that Liverpool is stealing/pinching/pe

rloining, call it what you want, from other ports. None.

Well there you go. A weak case therefore becomes a completely empty one. Thanks for the info arizonan.

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
Mr Penning said in his letter: “The fact that Liverpool City Council has now pre-empted the Commission and commenced turnaround before a state aids decision has been made does leave it open, in the event of a finding of unlawful Aid, to the possibility of financial penalties, including repayment of grants from the European regional development fund. This is however a matter for the Commission.”

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IF and it's a big IF, Liverpool faces financial penalties for using the facilities ahead of an EU decision then the UK government would also be in the dock since they allowed the government employees ( Border Agency Staff ) who work at the terminal, to work when they could have sanctioned the use of the facility.

Mr Pennington don't try and wriggle out of this, you would be as guilty as anybody else if that were the case.

Fact remains you have used government and EU subsidies and ignored the clause within them, which is more than clear and is known about.

I don't care if L'pool do more cruises, as I keep saying it's a huge growth industry and there's enough to go round. What I object to is that L'pool's arrogance that they think they can ignore basic facts and restrictions. The fact that MPs and government ministers are involved and have stated said facts on many occasion, doesn't make your 'opinion' right - it is conjecture and one which could end up with being a bit of 'eggy bread' on your face.

Removing border agency staff would be draconian but how about the Pool taking responsibility for their hasty action???

It rather casts the administration in the Pool in a bad light, our MP is just doing his job and asking that restrictions be adhered to and level playing field is restored.

As for making jokes about Scousers you can blame your own famous products for that can't you - Boys from Blackstuff, Bread etc which reinforced all those terrible stereotypes. It's just banter get over it :)

arizonan wrote:
Merseywaters, The turnaround cruises this year are Liverpool traffic, transferred from Langton Dock.
Next years addition. Fred Olsen is a return to Liverpool after their withdrawal on safety grounds from Langton Dock.
Indeed, it is Liverpool who have lost traffic/business to other ports when Fred Olsen withdrew.
There can be no case made that Liverpool is stealing/pinching/pe

rloining, call it what you want, from other ports. None.

There you go again! your only transferring ships from Langton due to it's condition?
Which means your using this terminal for start & finish/turnaround cruises!
Until the EU has made it's decision your not allowed to use it for that purpose so your breaking the conditions set out by Mike Penning

farandolae wrote:
What a pity this story has, again, descended into a slanging match.

Liverpool has always had 'turnaround' cruises, the only change is they can now use the landing stage again after some 40 years. If this were illegal in some way then the inaugural cruise simply would not have gone ahead. The terminal has to be staffed by customs/border agency staff, they would not be allowed to operate an illegal terminal. The UK grant is being repaid, the EU grant did not have the same restrictions as the UK grant, the temporary terminal is up & running.

I live in London, have friends in Southampton and family in Liverpool and I have to say that this ongoing row has not cast Southampton in a very good light. All the talk of Liverpudlians being thieves, of liners on bricks, of unemployed scallies is just disgraceful, it's no wonder that people from Liverpool come on here and give as much as they are forced to get.

Southampton & Liverpool have more similarities than differences. Get a grip, you're both better than this.

I have never called the people of Liverpool thieves or any other derogatory names but I will call their councillors Liars.
So explain to me how comments from Liverpool posters like Whinging B**stards are okay but scallywags aren't in your eyes?
this isn't & shouldn't be about the ordinary person on the street of Liverpool but about the council that has lied & connived to get a facility that could potentially take work from Southampton & any other cruise port.
You had them on here boasting about extra investment in Liverpool when it's just been announced that Swansea & other areas of Wales are going to lose 500 jobs but Liverpool will gain 150 jobs bit insensitive bragging in a paper isn't it?

loosehead wrote:

farandolae wrote:
What a pity this story has, again, descended into a slanging match.

Liverpool has always had 'turnaround' cruises, the only change is they can now use the landing stage again after some 40 years. If this were illegal in some way then the inaugural cruise simply would not have gone ahead. The terminal has to be staffed by customs/border agency staff, they would not be allowed to operate an illegal terminal. The UK grant is being repaid, the EU grant did not have the same restrictions as the UK grant, the temporary terminal is up & running.

I live in London, have friends in Southampton and family in Liverpool and I have to say that this ongoing row has not cast Southampton in a very good light. All the talk of Liverpudlians being thieves, of liners on bricks, of unemployed scallies is just disgraceful, it's no wonder that people from Liverpool come on here and give as much as they are forced to get.

Southampton & Liverpool have more similarities than differences. Get a grip, you're both better than this.

I have never called the people of Liverpool thieves or any other derogatory names but I will call their councillors Liars.
So explain to me how comments from Liverpool posters like Whinging B**stards are okay but scallywags aren't in your eyes?
this isn't & shouldn't be about the ordinary person on the street of Liverpool but about the council that has lied & connived to get a facility that could potentially take work from Southampton & any other cruise port.
You had them on here boasting about extra investment in Liverpool when it's just been announced that Swansea & other areas of Wales are going to lose 500 jobs but Liverpool will gain 150 jobs bit insensitive bragging in a paper isn't it?

I agree. Why should Liverpool City Council be able to lie, when Southampton City Council, led by Royston Smith, never ever told a Porky?

Like it or not, EVERY City Council makes every effort to get the best deal for its area, and Liverpool are no exception.

There has been enough arguing and fighting between the two cities.
It has got quite unpleasant.
The respective representatives from Southampton and Liverpool should be focused on ensuring each port offers the best service possible, and that any progression and expansion is sustainable in the long term.
Working together, instead of competing with each other, would be the first step in this process.
If the decision regarding the money is with Brussels, then so be it.
Look forward, not back.
If the

loosehead wrote:

georgetheseventh wrote:
Cowardly move Echo..you have 'buried' the original story with this one...so I will repeat..We In The Great Port City Of Liverpool All Hope That Every Penny is Re-payed ..if only to shut you whinging b**stards up..amen to that.

I wonder what the Workers in Wales will be calling you lot now they can read you cheering the creation of 150 jobs by Unilever whilst they have all lost their jobs?
I wonder if you were losing hundreds of jobs & they were going to Southampton & say Swansea if you wouldn't be whinging b**tards?

I know I am probably wasting my time trying to get this into your 'thick head' but Unilever is a very very old WIRRAL based company (Wirral !!)..like many companies in the south of England they are..under present trading climate..having to re-access their business for future survival..like so many of your southern companies have already done they are condensing to their 'original' base..things will likely change in the future but for now that is the practice...ok.?

arizonan wrote:
17.8m Daily Echo, not 21m. When will you tell the truth?.

Truth is something this paper is short on...its about headlines..its about 'sales'..its about getting your local village idiots VOCAL....

Merseywaters wrote:
Lets assume for a second that Liverpool DID have to pay the money back to the EU (which I don't think will be the case) The idea that the city should also face 'penalties' is completely ridiculous. What would the penalties be for? It can't be proven that these ships that are sailing from Liverpool would necessarily use other ports. And it should purely be an EU matter anyway in my opinion.

I wish some of you people down there would face the fact that it is not unreasonable for folk in Northern England and Scotland to have some choices when it comes to their holiday travel. Why should they be expected in some cases to traipse the whole length of the country just so you can keep an virtual monopoly that you yourselves largely built on the back of past state aid handouts?

Well said..I think we can now say..'the end' to this silly little saga.....!!

Next post on is an IDIOT

loosehead says... "I wonder what the Workers in Wales will be calling you lot now they can read"

Come on taffs can not read, too busy sh*gging sheep!

Yours sincerely,
An idiot.

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:

farandolae wrote:
What a pity this story has, again, descended into a slanging match.

Liverpool has always had 'turnaround' cruises, the only change is they can now use the landing stage again after some 40 years. If this were illegal in some way then the inaugural cruise simply would not have gone ahead. The terminal has to be staffed by customs/border agency staff, they would not be allowed to operate an illegal terminal. The UK grant is being repaid, the EU grant did not have the same restrictions as the UK grant, the temporary terminal is up & running.

I live in London, have friends in Southampton and family in Liverpool and I have to say that this ongoing row has not cast Southampton in a very good light. All the talk of Liverpudlians being thieves, of liners on bricks, of unemployed scallies is just disgraceful, it's no wonder that people from Liverpool come on here and give as much as they are forced to get.

Southampton & Liverpool have more similarities than differences. Get a grip, you're both better than this.

I have never called the people of Liverpool thieves or any other derogatory names but I will call their councillors Liars.
So explain to me how comments from Liverpool posters like Whinging B**stards are okay but scallywags aren't in your eyes?
this isn't & shouldn't be about the ordinary person on the street of Liverpool but about the council that has lied & connived to get a facility that could potentially take work from Southampton & any other cruise port.
You had them on here boasting about extra investment in Liverpool when it's just been announced that Swansea & other areas of Wales are going to lose 500 jobs but Liverpool will gain 150 jobs bit insensitive bragging in a paper isn't it?

I agree. Why should Liverpool City Council be able to lie, when Southampton City Council, led by Royston Smith, never ever told a Porky?

Like it or not, EVERY City Council makes every effort to get the best deal for its area, and Liverpool are no exception.

Once again a leftie instead of arguing for our city using it as a swipe on the past Tory council.
I would fight & argue for this city & defend any council who did that no matter what party they were so why not you Linesman?
Please tell me when Southampton City Council lied about this subject as surely that's what the articles about isn't it?

I say andysaints007 you do not mince your words.

Do those Scousers really nick cars?

Leave mine in Soton next time l go north and native.

flatulence hero wrote:
loosehead says... "I wonder what the Workers in Wales will be calling you lot now they can read"

Come on taffs can not read, too busy sh*gging sheep!

Yours sincerely,
An idiot.

Ha ha..I didnt think you Hamptons had a sense of humour..I apologise....the two idiots followed your post.

andysaints007 wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

farandolae wrote:
What a pity this story has, again, descended into a slanging match.

Liverpool has always had 'turnaround' cruises, the only change is they can now use the landing stage again after some 40 years. If this were illegal in some way then the inaugural cruise simply would not have gone ahead. The terminal has to be staffed by customs/border agency staff, they would not be allowed to operate an illegal terminal. The UK grant is being repaid, the EU grant did not have the same restrictions as the UK grant, the temporary terminal is up & running.

I live in London, have friends in Southampton and family in Liverpool and I have to say that this ongoing row has not cast Southampton in a very good light. All the talk of Liverpudlians being thieves, of liners on bricks, of unemployed scallies is just disgraceful, it's no wonder that people from Liverpool come on here and give as much as they are forced to get.

Southampton & Liverpool have more similarities than differences. Get a grip, you're both better than this.

Thank heavens you have joined this discussion, you have simply re-iterated what I have been saying all along.
This item has got out of control mainly because of the inaccurate figures quoted and a complete lack of understanding, of the basic facts of the matter.

''Southampton & Liverpool have more similarities than differences''. Thats so true - they are both sh*tholes - the difference is that most people in Southampton know that and don't deny it!

I'm sorry you see it that way . I obviously have greater aspirations than you and only have to look around where I live to know that i don't live in such a hole as you refer.

'aspirations' !? whats that got to do with anything - I think if you had gone to school instead of nicking cars you would use the right word in the right context! Now p*ss off back to your own local paper if its so good up there!

Just a bit of info just for you and dee saint...Liverpool exports more to China than any other area of the UK....and while I am at it..dont be scratching or nicking parts (inc wheels) off all those beautiful Jaguar Land Rover vehicles that we trust to your care via your docks..we need to keep Britains economy ticking over (so to speak)..would be better if the Gov. could give us loadsamoney to expand our docks as it has yours..then we could ship them all from here..wheels n all..!!

Thanks for dumping my post..Echo !! I only said dont scratch all those beautifull Jaguar/Landrovers we export through your docks..didnt you know Liverpool is the biggest UK exporter to Asia/China ??
If our docks had had the G/ment aid you have had we could export our own (with wheels).

Thanks for dumping my post..Echo !! I only said dont scratch all those beautifull Jaguar/Landrovers we export through your docks..didnt you know Liverpool is the biggest UK exporter to Asia/China ??
If our docks had had the G/ment aid you have had we could export our own (with wheels).

'I dont believe it'..now there is 3.

georgetheseventh clearly got out of bed the wrong side.

And he has posted 4 times after he claimed ..Next post on is an IDIOT

You idiot georgetheseventh.

Now to return to the topic l can not see cruise lines sending off cruise liners on prestigious World cruises from Liverpool.
My GAWD!!

So you are OK Southampton to get and enjoy the plum pickings and leave the scraps to the scoucers.

I don't care where the cruises start & finish. However, there is the rule of law & the law should be upheld. Pay the money back & take the fine on the chin. Then still do the cruises as you want.

That's the trouble with Govt money too many strings attached.

flatulence hero wrote:
georgetheseventh clearly got out of bed the wrong side.

And he has posted 4 times after he claimed ..Next post on is an IDIOT

You idiot georgetheseventh.

Now to return to the topic l can not see cruise lines sending off cruise liners on prestigious World cruises from Liverpool.
My GAWD!!

So you are OK Southampton to get and enjoy the plum pickings and leave the scraps to the scoucers.

How fitting that an anagram of your silly toilet humour name is "Fecal hole tuner" it say it all about you, dirty minded empty headed oaf that you are.

I trust all those being abusive to fellow people from both sides have vented their anger at the Councils involved.

I Live in Southampton and proud of our City, I have also visited Liverpool and they too should be proud of their City.

No need for such a fall out over something called competition, which forces businesses to improve services.

Both Cities will gain from this, there will be no losers!

IronLady2010 wrote:
I trust all those being abusive to fellow people from both sides have vented their anger at the Councils involved.

I Live in Southampton and proud of our City, I have also visited Liverpool and they too should be proud of their City.

No need for such a fall out over something called competition, which forces businesses to improve services.

Both Cities will gain from this, there will be no losers!

Nope not vented my anger at anyone apart from the holier than thou scallywags that keep posting on here! I live in Southampton but can't really see what there is to be proud about! Its probably the most unfriendly, disjointed and fragmented city in the land!

flatulence hero wrote:
georgetheseventh clearly got out of bed the wrong side.

And he has posted 4 times after he claimed ..Next post on is an IDIOT

You idiot georgetheseventh.

Now to return to the topic l can not see cruise lines sending off cruise liners on prestigious World cruises from Liverpool.
My GAWD!!

So you are OK Southampton to get and enjoy the plum pickings and leave the scraps to the scoucers.

Flatulance.. being a 'LIVERPOLITAN' you have offended me now...not because you refer to us 'all' as Scouser's' but that you even spelt 'Scouser' incorrectly...plus..
we are not intending to launch 'World Cruises'..I think you are well aware of that..most are 'fly/cruise' anyway. Finally..I said the NEXT post on..that was you..right, so go and stand in the corner like an idiot and say 1,000 times I Must Spell Scouser Right....ok. Off you go.

Oh, will you boys just chill. We're talking about boats, it's not life threatening! I have many friends from Liverpool, great people as are Southampton people, get a life and chill, this is a floating paradise (for some) we're talking about, not a life threatening disease.

Blimey!

IronLady2010 wrote:
Oh, will you boys just chill. We're talking about boats, it's not life threatening! I have many friends from Liverpool, great people as are Southampton people, get a life and chill, this is a floating paradise (for some) we're talking about, not a life threatening disease.

Blimey!

Who cares what your friends are like! If we wanna argue with anyone we will - so butt out if you don't like it ! Some of us will NEVER forget that those Scouse gits got Saints banned from Europe!!

andysaints007 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Oh, will you boys just chill. We're talking about boats, it's not life threatening! I have many friends from Liverpool, great people as are Southampton people, get a life and chill, this is a floating paradise (for some) we're talking about, not a life threatening disease.

Blimey!

Who cares what your friends are like! If we wanna argue with anyone we will - so butt out if you don't like it ! Some of us will NEVER forget that those Scouse gits got Saints banned from Europe!!

You, my friend are very sad. We are all human no matter where we live. Football may rule your sad life, but it doesn't rule others.

I have lived all over this Country from North to South and am proud to be British. It doesn't matter wether I'm from Manc, Liverpool, Scotland or Southampton. We al live and breathe the same air.
Be nice to fellow people, it doesn't hurt!

andysaints007 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Oh, will you boys just chill. We're talking about boats, it's not life threatening! I have many friends from Liverpool, great people as are Southampton people, get a life and chill, this is a floating paradise (for some) we're talking about, not a life threatening disease.

Blimey!

Who cares what your friends are like! If we wanna argue with anyone we will - so butt out if you don't like it ! Some of us will NEVER forget that those Scouse gits got Saints banned from Europe!!

You are one of the most disgusting individuals I have ever had dealings with .
You have no pride in your city and you certainly have no pride in yourself.
What an utter waste of space you are, grow up then you might be able to take your place alongside the adults in these discussions.

IronLady2010 wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Oh, will you boys just chill. We're talking about boats, it's not life threatening! I have many friends from Liverpool, great people as are Southampton people, get a life and chill, this is a floating paradise (for some) we're talking about, not a life threatening disease.

Blimey!

Who cares what your friends are like! If we wanna argue with anyone we will - so butt out if you don't like it ! Some of us will NEVER forget that those Scouse gits got Saints banned from Europe!!

You, my friend are very sad. We are all human no matter where we live. Football may rule your sad life, but it doesn't rule others.

I have lived all over this Country from North to South and am proud to be British. It doesn't matter wether I'm from Manc, Liverpool, Scotland or Southampton. We al live and breathe the same air.
Be nice to fellow people, it doesn't hurt!

Ironlady Hi!
I have nothing against the people of Liverpool or Merseyside as I'm quite proud of my roots which are both Southampton & Liverpool.
What I'm against is the way Liverpool went about getting the grants if they had asked for them to build a turnaround terminal they'd been honest & the only people we could criticise would be the Government minister who allowed it.
But their council didn't do this they lied to get the money & if only the posters from Liverpool would admit it then we could debate with out comments like Andy or George's.

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Oh, will you boys just chill. We're talking about boats, it's not life threatening! I have many friends from Liverpool, great people as are Southampton people, get a life and chill, this is a floating paradise (for some) we're talking about, not a life threatening disease.

Blimey!

Who cares what your friends are like! If we wanna argue with anyone we will - so butt out if you don't like it ! Some of us will NEVER forget that those Scouse gits got Saints banned from Europe!!

You are one of the most disgusting individuals I have ever had dealings with .
You have no pride in your city and you certainly have no pride in yourself.
What an utter waste of space you are, grow up then you might be able to take your place alongside the adults in these discussions.

I am ashamed by some posts from Southampton people, I really am!

Are we really a City who attacks others views? A City of thugs?

Come on Southampton, be proud of our City and Welcome Liverpool, they are our friends, not our enemies!

We can debate about boats without calling names surely?

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Oh, will you boys just chill. We're talking about boats, it's not life threatening! I have many friends from Liverpool, great people as are Southampton people, get a life and chill, this is a floating paradise (for some) we're talking about, not a life threatening disease.

Blimey!

Who cares what your friends are like! If we wanna argue with anyone we will - so butt out if you don't like it ! Some of us will NEVER forget that those Scouse gits got Saints banned from Europe!!

You, my friend are very sad. We are all human no matter where we live. Football may rule your sad life, but it doesn't rule others.

I have lived all over this Country from North to South and am proud to be British. It doesn't matter wether I'm from Manc, Liverpool, Scotland or Southampton. We al live and breathe the same air.
Be nice to fellow people, it doesn't hurt!

Ironlady Hi!
I have nothing against the people of Liverpool or Merseyside as I'm quite proud of my roots which are both Southampton & Liverpool.
What I'm against is the way Liverpool went about getting the grants if they had asked for them to build a turnaround terminal they'd been honest & the only people we could criticise would be the Government minister who allowed it.
But their council didn't do this they lied to get the money & if only the posters from Liverpool would admit it then we could debate with out comments like Andy or George's.

Loosehead, I do understand what you're saying, but if Liverpool get their way, it will improve services our end, so we all win?

Competition is the best thing, we need to forget the penalties and all this hostility and concentrate on improving our services so we can compete.

Then, the users, like me and you will see a benefit?

IronLady2010 wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Oh, will you boys just chill. We're talking about boats, it's not life threatening! I have many friends from Liverpool, great people as are Southampton people, get a life and chill, this is a floating paradise (for some) we're talking about, not a life threatening disease.

Blimey!

Who cares what your friends are like! If we wanna argue with anyone we will - so butt out if you don't like it ! Some of us will NEVER forget that those Scouse gits got Saints banned from Europe!!

You are one of the most disgusting individuals I have ever had dealings with .
You have no pride in your city and you certainly have no pride in yourself.
What an utter waste of space you are, grow up then you might be able to take your place alongside the adults in these discussions.

I am ashamed by some posts from Southampton people, I really am!

Are we really a City who attacks others views? A City of thugs?

Come on Southampton, be proud of our City and Welcome Liverpool, they are our friends, not our enemies!

We can debate about boats without calling names surely?

Have you noticed anything about the derogatory comments?
Being a Rugby man I can't help but notice at least one of them is a football fan?
but Ironlady do you not feel as this council (Liverpool) lied & are still not working to the agreed terms to start turnaround status that the people of Liverpool should be asking the question Why put it all at risk this close to getting it?
instead of questioning our reasons for objecting?

What Liverpool Council do is nothing to do with me as I don't pay local Tax to them.

BUT, as a Southampton resident, I wish them the very best and hope in the future we can work together to ensure a better future for us all.

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Oh, will you boys just chill. We're talking about boats, it's not life threatening! I have many friends from Liverpool, great people as are Southampton people, get a life and chill, this is a floating paradise (for some) we're talking about, not a life threatening disease.

Blimey!

Who cares what your friends are like! If we wanna argue with anyone we will - so butt out if you don't like it ! Some of us will NEVER forget that those Scouse gits got Saints banned from Europe!!

You are one of the most disgusting individuals I have ever had dealings with .
You have no pride in your city and you certainly have no pride in yourself.
What an utter waste of space you are, grow up then you might be able to take your place alongside the adults in these discussions.

You are quite right I couldn't give a monkeys about a city that I no longer recognise and I really care even less about what what you think of me. Now if you are so proud to be from Liverpool why don't you f*ck off back there then! And as for Ironlady, I quote 'Are we really a City who attacks others views? A City of thugs?' - Hmmm maybe you should practice what you preach!

andysaints007 wrote:
.. and Loosehead if you really want to f*ck Ironlady just ask her and stop grovelling around her like a puppy!! Or is that a rugby thing?

If I were Loosehead Or Ironlady I would definitely report your posts because you are a disgusting embarrassment to the city of Southampton and to this newspaper.

IronLady2010 wrote:
What Liverpool Council do is nothing to do with me as I don't pay local Tax to them.

BUT, as a Southampton resident, I wish them the very best and hope in the future we can work together to ensure a better future for us all.

Thats great... and now back to reality and law.

Does make me laugh the scousers defence on this subject. It is clear to everyone what Liverpool Council have done and the will be punished for it. Just pay back the money and this saga will be over. These scousers are living in cloud cuckoo land if they think they have done nothing wrong.

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:
.. and Loosehead if you really want to f*ck Ironlady just ask her and stop grovelling around her like a puppy!! Or is that a rugby thing?

If I were Loosehead Or Ironlady I would definitely report your posts because you are a disgusting embarrassment to the city of Southampton and to this newspaper.

YAWN with a capital YAWN - you are boring me now bye bye xx

andysaints007 wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:
.. and Loosehead if you really want to f*ck Ironlady just ask her and stop grovelling around her like a puppy!! Or is that a rugby thing?

If I were Loosehead Or Ironlady I would definitely report your posts because you are a disgusting embarrassment to the city of Southampton and to this newspaper.

YAWN with a capital YAWN - you are boring me now bye bye xx

For one I just debate on here I don't come out with c*ap comments like yours.
If you suggest anything like this again I will report your post!
I am proud of my city I don't think it's a s*ithole & if you do why don't you move?

The Salv wrote:
Scouses, mickey mousers, caused the hillbrough disaster, profitted most from the slave trade, got english clubs chucked out of europ and now commiting fraud in europe too. Never trust a scouser. The shellsuit loving inbreds.

I think up to this post you were okay but this one is way out of order.

Hey Liverpool just pay back the money and lets move on.

What a depressing thread this has continued to be. Posters such as thesalv and andysaints should be ashamed of themselves, they show Southampton in a very poor light indeed. Thank goodness for more level headed people such as loosehead, proud from Liverpool & ironlady that manage to debate without thuggish language & attitude. I didn't think this debate could get even more petty and abusive, how wrong I was.

In other news I'm sure that you'll all be thrilled to hear that Joe Anderson, the Mayor of Liverpool that you are all accusing of heading a thieving council that has opened an illegal cruise terminal has just been awarded an OBE for services to local government. He is held in high regard, even amongst his political opponents and is fostering a real 'can do' attitude in the city. Something that Southampton really needs to learn from. This ongoing debate about Liverpools modest cruise terminal is doing your city no favours at all.

I am very sorry farandolae but this award (Britains first sex change patient George Jamieson transformed into April Ashley, given M.B.E for services to transgender equality) completely removes any credibility that any of these so called honours might have once had. That said everybody is entitled to their own opinion and you may hold your mayor in high esteem and if Liverpool gets away with this con trick then that esteem will be well deserved, but even the loyalist Liverpudlian must understand why the grants have created so much hostility, and as a great sporting city you as much as anybody should understand the need for a level playing field.

@ohec

Joe Anderson is not my mayor, I have family in Liverpool but have lived in London for over 30 years. As for a level playing field, all cities & towns and all business sectors across Britain, Southampton & ABP included benefit from grants and support from government, Westminster & Brussels whenever they can. Sometimes it's direct, other times in the form of wage subsidy such as tax credits, sometimes in the form of turning a blind eye to companies avoiding their taxes.

Good on April Ashley for receiving an MBE for her work on transgender equality. Our world is made up of all sorts of people and is the better for it. That's why I focus on our similarities and shared history than what are often manufactured differences. In the current instance, Southampton have many more similarities with Liverpool than differences and should be working together and not at each others throats.

andysaints007 wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:
.. and Loosehead if you really want to f*ck Ironlady just ask her and stop grovelling around her like a puppy!! Or is that a rugby thing?

If I were Loosehead Or Ironlady I would definitely report your posts because you are a disgusting embarrassment to the city of Southampton and to this newspaper.

YAWN with a capital YAWN - you are boring me now bye bye xx

I have reported this post on behalf of everyone on here who is trying to have a balanced debate, none of us mind banter, but this thing has gone too far. He says he thinks southampton is a sh*&hole, it isn't. Unfortunately some of the people in it are, and I am sure liverpool has its fair share.
I disembarked at Liverpool a couple of months ago, their terminal is not good, but I have to say that we were very impressed with the waterfront and city and hope to return again soon, I also had lots of craic with the staff there, it was great, they now know that it is a ship not a boat and it gets moored not parked. Lets not forget that it is the so called 'highups' who have caused this problem, not the ordinary man in the street, throughout history we have always been used as cannon fodder

farandolae wrote:
What a depressing thread this has continued to be. Posters such as thesalv and andysaints should be ashamed of themselves, they show Southampton in a very poor light indeed. Thank goodness for more level headed people such as loosehead, proud from Liverpool & ironlady that manage to debate without thuggish language & attitude. I didn't think this debate could get even more petty and abusive, how wrong I was.

In other news I'm sure that you'll all be thrilled to hear that Joe Anderson, the Mayor of Liverpool that you are all accusing of heading a thieving council that has opened an illegal cruise terminal has just been awarded an OBE for services to local government. He is held in high regard, even amongst his political opponents and is fostering a real 'can do' attitude in the city. Something that Southampton really needs to learn from. This ongoing debate about Liverpools modest cruise terminal is doing your city no favours at all.

I am sure if you looked into previous threads on this subject you will see a lot more vitriolc and vile comments from our 'friends' up north!! My opinion means nothing to you and yours means nothing to me! I will do absolutely anything for my family and friends but I am sorry if I don't get excited about bricks and mortar!! The only time you see 'beautiful' and 'city' in the same sentence is usually in a tourist brochure - and we all know what a load of old rubbish they turn out to be!!

loosehead wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:
.. and Loosehead if you really want to f*ck Ironlady just ask her and stop grovelling around her like a puppy!! Or is that a rugby thing?

If I were Loosehead Or Ironlady I would definitely report your posts because you are a disgusting embarrassment to the city of Southampton and to this newspaper.

YAWN with a capital YAWN - you are boring me now bye bye xx

For one I just debate on here I don't come out with c*ap comments like yours.
If you suggest anything like this again I will report your post!
I am proud of my city I don't think it's a s*ithole & if you do why don't you move?

'For one I just debate on here I don't come out with c*ap comments like yours'. Thats' a very interesting statement loosehead. Care to explain what 'football' has to do with it then!

pod wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:
.. and Loosehead if you really want to f*ck Ironlady just ask her and stop grovelling around her like a puppy!! Or is that a rugby thing?

If I were Loosehead Or Ironlady I would definitely report your posts because you are a disgusting embarrassment to the city of Southampton and to this newspaper.

YAWN with a capital YAWN - you are boring me now bye bye xx

I have reported this post on behalf of everyone on here who is trying to have a balanced debate, none of us mind banter, but this thing has gone too far. He says he thinks southampton is a sh*&hole, it isn't. Unfortunately some of the people in it are, and I am sure liverpool has its fair share.
I disembarked at Liverpool a couple of months ago, their terminal is not good, but I have to say that we were very impressed with the waterfront and city and hope to return again soon, I also had lots of craic with the staff there, it was great, they now know that it is a ship not a boat and it gets moored not parked. Lets not forget that it is the so called 'highups' who have caused this problem, not the ordinary man in the street, throughout history we have always been used as cannon fodder

I say it's a sh*thole because it is!! Apart from the beautiful suburbs of Millbrook, Thornhill, Weston, St Mary's, Northam, Newtown, Portswood, Swaythling, Merry Oak, Woolston and Shirley of course !!

andysaints007 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:
.. and Loosehead if you really want to f*ck Ironlady just ask her and stop grovelling around her like a puppy!! Or is that a rugby thing?

If I were Loosehead Or Ironlady I would definitely report your posts because you are a disgusting embarrassment to the city of Southampton and to this newspaper.

YAWN with a capital YAWN - you are boring me now bye bye xx

For one I just debate on here I don't come out with c*ap comments like yours.
If you suggest anything like this again I will report your post!
I am proud of my city I don't think it's a s*ithole & if you do why don't you move?

'For one I just debate on here I don't come out with c*ap comments like yours'. Thats' a very interesting statement loosehead. Care to explain what 'football' has to do with it then!

AndySAINT? isn't Saints a football team from a so called sh**hole?

Yes, how very observant of you. What is your point?

farandolae wrote:
@ohec

Joe Anderson is not my mayor, I have family in Liverpool but have lived in London for over 30 years. As for a level playing field, all cities & towns and all business sectors across Britain, Southampton & ABP included benefit from grants and support from government, Westminster & Brussels whenever they can. Sometimes it's direct, other times in the form of wage subsidy such as tax credits, sometimes in the form of turning a blind eye to companies avoiding their taxes.

Good on April Ashley for receiving an MBE for her work on transgender equality. Our world is made up of all sorts of people and is the better for it. That's why I focus on our similarities and shared history than what are often manufactured differences. In the current instance, Southampton have many more similarities with Liverpool than differences and should be working together and not at each others throats.

Look Dover,Newcastle,Port
smouth & every cruise port besides Liverpool are up in arms about this.
Joe Anderson seems to have made it into a Southampton verse Liverpool thing & actually has said it's a war between the two ports & Liverpool are going to win.
I have tried to point out that if you live in the north your unlikely to stay in the hotels in Liverpool & this is where the majority of jobs are created & income earnt.
when they travel down here many spend an extra week staying in our hotels & visiting the areas that they wouldn't get to see otherwise & this is where the city not the port benefits from.
I have been attacked for stating this & called a few names from Scousers.
AndySaint was out of order inferring anything was to do with Ironlady & myself & he should apologise but he's not as bad as some of the names the Northern posters have called me

andysaints007 wrote:

pod wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:
.. and Loosehead if you really want to f*ck Ironlady just ask her and stop grovelling around her like a puppy!! Or is that a rugby thing?

If I were Loosehead Or Ironlady I would definitely report your posts because you are a disgusting embarrassment to the city of Southampton and to this newspaper.

YAWN with a capital YAWN - you are boring me now bye bye xx

I have reported this post on behalf of everyone on here who is trying to have a balanced debate, none of us mind banter, but this thing has gone too far. He says he thinks southampton is a sh*&hole, it isn't. Unfortunately some of the people in it are, and I am sure liverpool has its fair share.
I disembarked at Liverpool a couple of months ago, their terminal is not good, but I have to say that we were very impressed with the waterfront and city and hope to return again soon, I also had lots of craic with the staff there, it was great, they now know that it is a ship not a boat and it gets moored not parked. Lets not forget that it is the so called 'highups' who have caused this problem, not the ordinary man in the street, throughout history we have always been used as cannon fodder

I say it's a sh*thole because it is!! Apart from the beautiful suburbs of Millbrook, Thornhill, Weston, St Mary's, Northam, Newtown, Portswood, Swaythling, Merry Oak, Woolston and Shirley of course !!

no Southampton is not a shith*le, and I for one deeply resent you calling it so. Some of the people in it might have tried to make into a *****ole (try looking in the mirror andysaint007), but I for one am proud to have been born and bred in southampton.
However, I am ashamed to be associated by such an aggressive foulmouthed pig like mr saint.

andysaints007 wrote:
Yes, how very observant of you. What is your point?

..which Southampton rugby team do you support then?

andysaints007 wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:
Yes, how very observant of you. What is your point?

..which Southampton rugby team do you support then?

If you want to know what Rugby team I support I'll tell you!
I played for over twenty years for Millbrook ( you know that Sh**hole?) I've passed my level one coaching certificate & I've done a bit of coaching for Soputhampton.,Totton & Millbrook RUFC.
I have also been to two league cup finals ( one Zenith) one FA cup (we won) & a charity Shield we lost to Liverpool.
I went with friends & woke up to the fact I could end up in prison as my fines were getting higher ( yes I was a Yob & not proud of it)
I joint the TA,in it for 5years left & started to play Rugby.
Got made redundant went & lived in Thailand for a year ( played Rugby) missed Southampton you know that sh**hole so I came back & I've argued left right & centre for this city & for peoples jobs in this city even though I get a good private pension & you all could be out of work but it wouldn't effect me.

pod wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

pod wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:
.. and Loosehead if you really want to f*ck Ironlady just ask her and stop grovelling around her like a puppy!! Or is that a rugby thing?

If I were Loosehead Or Ironlady I would definitely report your posts because you are a disgusting embarrassment to the city of Southampton and to this newspaper.

YAWN with a capital YAWN - you are boring me now bye bye xx

I have reported this post on behalf of everyone on here who is trying to have a balanced debate, none of us mind banter, but this thing has gone too far. He says he thinks southampton is a sh*&hole, it isn't. Unfortunately some of the people in it are, and I am sure liverpool has its fair share.
I disembarked at Liverpool a couple of months ago, their terminal is not good, but I have to say that we were very impressed with the waterfront and city and hope to return again soon, I also had lots of craic with the staff there, it was great, they now know that it is a ship not a boat and it gets moored not parked. Lets not forget that it is the so called 'highups' who have caused this problem, not the ordinary man in the street, throughout history we have always been used as cannon fodder

I say it's a sh*thole because it is!! Apart from the beautiful suburbs of Millbrook, Thornhill, Weston, St Mary's, Northam, Newtown, Portswood, Swaythling, Merry Oak, Woolston and Shirley of course !!

no Southampton is not a shith*le, and I for one deeply resent you calling it so. Some of the people in it might have tried to make into a *****ole (try looking in the mirror andysaint007), but I for one am proud to have been born and bred in southampton.
However, I am ashamed to be associated by such an aggressive foulmouthed pig like mr saint.

Ha Ha Ha - so everyone from every other city is a thoroughly nice chap then!! Wake up you dinosuaur!! So are you saying that Southampton is a friendly place then? Would you go out in town at night on your own? Would you be happy with a relative doing the same (female or male)? Do you never sit in traffic jams for no apparent reason in the official 'slowest moving city in the land' ? Do you enjoy the fragmented feel of the City? Would you love mopping up the sick every morning outside your house? Would you like replacing your wing mirrors 3 times a year? Do you like walking around the West Quay wondering what everyone around you is saying (cos it isn't English)? The only good thing about the city is the Saints and even they are gonna be priced out of most peoples budget soon!!! My opinions of course but if you don't like them then just ignore them - simple! If you want to argue with me, then its a democracy and I would be more than willing to oblige!! ****

loosehead wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:
Yes, how very observant of you. What is your point?

..which Southampton rugby team do you support then?

If you want to know what Rugby team I support I'll tell you!
I played for over twenty years for Millbrook ( you know that Sh**hole?) I've passed my level one coaching certificate & I've done a bit of coaching for Soputhampton.,Totton & Millbrook RUFC.
I have also been to two league cup finals ( one Zenith) one FA cup (we won) & a charity Shield we lost to Liverpool.
I went with friends & woke up to the fact I could end up in prison as my fines were getting higher ( yes I was a Yob & not proud of it)
I joint the TA,in it for 5years left & started to play Rugby.
Got made redundant went & lived in Thailand for a year ( played Rugby) missed Southampton you know that sh**hole so I came back & I've argued left right & centre for this city & for peoples jobs in this city even though I get a good private pension & you all could be out of work but it wouldn't effect me.

Well thats good for you then! Your story is different to mine and you obviously have different reasons for liking Southampton than I do!

loosehead wrote:

farandolae wrote:
@ohec

Joe Anderson is not my mayor, I have family in Liverpool but have lived in London for over 30 years. As for a level playing field, all cities & towns and all business sectors across Britain, Southampton & ABP included benefit from grants and support from government, Westminster & Brussels whenever they can. Sometimes it's direct, other times in the form of wage subsidy such as tax credits, sometimes in the form of turning a blind eye to companies avoiding their taxes.

Good on April Ashley for receiving an MBE for her work on transgender equality. Our world is made up of all sorts of people and is the better for it. That's why I focus on our similarities and shared history than what are often manufactured differences. In the current instance, Southampton have many more similarities with Liverpool than differences and should be working together and not at each others throats.

Look Dover,Newcastle,Port

smouth & every cruise port besides Liverpool are up in arms about this.
Joe Anderson seems to have made it into a Southampton verse Liverpool thing & actually has said it's a war between the two ports & Liverpool are going to win.
I have tried to point out that if you live in the north your unlikely to stay in the hotels in Liverpool & this is where the majority of jobs are created & income earnt.
when they travel down here many spend an extra week staying in our hotels & visiting the areas that they wouldn't get to see otherwise & this is where the city not the port benefits from.
I have been attacked for stating this & called a few names from Scousers.
AndySaint was out of order inferring anything was to do with Ironlady & myself & he should apologise but he's not as bad as some of the names the Northern posters have called me

andysaints007

You really are a sad, sick and damaged person who really does need help ( Phyciatric help ).

You truly are one of the most offensive foul mouthed people I have ever had the misfortune to have dealings with.

You have no respect for anybody or anything ( except it seems , your football team ), how pitiful can you get.

Virtually everybody on this site except for the likes of you, has a respect for the views of other people, even when those views are not to their liking. They certainly don't have to resort to bad language and personal insults to put across their point of view.

For heavens sake get off this forum ( a forum for football thugs, might be more to your liking ).

If I was from Southampton I would be ashamed that you come onto this forum and attack

Sorry I didn't finish the sentence ........

If I was from Southampton I would be ashamed that you come onto this forum and attack everybody including the very people who live in Southampton.

Nobody from " up North " has ever made nasty comments that are in anyway as bad as those made by andysaints007

I have re-posted this, sorry about the earlier errors, I had to take a telephone call at the same time.


andysaints007

You really are a sad, sick and damaged person who really does need help ( psychiatric help ).

You truly are one of the most offensive foul mouthed people I have ever had the misfortune to have dealings with.

You have no respect for anybody or anything ( except it seems , your football team ), how pitiful can you get.

Virtually everybody on this site except for the likes of you, has a respect for the views of other people, even when those views are not to their liking. They certainly don't have to resort to bad language and personal insults to put across their point of view.

For heavens sake get off this forum ( a forum for football thugs, might be more to your liking ).

If I was from Southampton I would be ashamed that you come onto this forum and attack everybody including the very people who live in Southampton. You also appear to have nothing positive at all to say about Southampton, if it is that bad then Southampton would be better off if you went somewhere else ( only please don't come to Liverpool, because you won't be welcome ).

Nobody from " up North " has ever made nasty comments that are in anyway as bad as those made by andysaints007

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
I have re-posted this, sorry about the earlier errors, I had to take a telephone call at the same time.


andysaints007

You really are a sad, sick and damaged person who really does need help ( psychiatric help ).

You truly are one of the most offensive foul mouthed people I have ever had the misfortune to have dealings with.

You have no respect for anybody or anything ( except it seems , your football team ), how pitiful can you get.

Virtually everybody on this site except for the likes of you, has a respect for the views of other people, even when those views are not to their liking. They certainly don't have to resort to bad language and personal insults to put across their point of view.

For heavens sake get off this forum ( a forum for football thugs, might be more to your liking ).

If I was from Southampton I would be ashamed that you come onto this forum and attack everybody including the very people who live in Southampton. You also appear to have nothing positive at all to say about Southampton, if it is that bad then Southampton would be better off if you went somewhere else ( only please don't come to Liverpool, because you won't be welcome ).

Nobody from " up North " has ever made nasty comments that are in anyway as bad as those made by andysaints007

hey, I've just twigged, we have all been duped, andysh*t007 does not come from southampton, he comes from pompey, how daft are we???

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
I have re-posted this, sorry about the earlier errors, I had to take a telephone call at the same time.


andysaints007

You really are a sad, sick and damaged person who really does need help ( psychiatric help ).

You truly are one of the most offensive foul mouthed people I have ever had the misfortune to have dealings with.

You have no respect for anybody or anything ( except it seems , your football team ), how pitiful can you get.

Virtually everybody on this site except for the likes of you, has a respect for the views of other people, even when those views are not to their liking. They certainly don't have to resort to bad language and personal insults to put across their point of view.

For heavens sake get off this forum ( a forum for football thugs, might be more to your liking ).

If I was from Southampton I would be ashamed that you come onto this forum and attack everybody including the very people who live in Southampton. You also appear to have nothing positive at all to say about Southampton, if it is that bad then Southampton would be better off if you went somewhere else ( only please don't come to Liverpool, because you won't be welcome ).

Nobody from " up North " has ever made nasty comments that are in anyway as bad as those made by andysaints007

My oh my, haven't you led a sheltered life!! I haven't even got started yet! U should look at the history on this site and see the vile comments left on here by some of your fellow Liverpudlians!! I have implied a couple of things - I could have said a lot worse. I'm sorry that I don't believe in a Utopia like some of you on here and I certainly don't subscribe to your delusions about city life. I was brought up in the services and lived all over the world - so I don't have roots anywhere in particular which is why cities mean nothing to me !!

andysaints007 wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
I have re-posted this, sorry about the earlier errors, I had to take a telephone call at the same time.


andysaints007

You really are a sad, sick and damaged person who really does need help ( psychiatric help ).

You truly are one of the most offensive foul mouthed people I have ever had the misfortune to have dealings with.

You have no respect for anybody or anything ( except it seems , your football team ), how pitiful can you get.

Virtually everybody on this site except for the likes of you, has a respect for the views of other people, even when those views are not to their liking. They certainly don't have to resort to bad language and personal insults to put across their point of view.

For heavens sake get off this forum ( a forum for football thugs, might be more to your liking ).

If I was from Southampton I would be ashamed that you come onto this forum and attack everybody including the very people who live in Southampton. You also appear to have nothing positive at all to say about Southampton, if it is that bad then Southampton would be better off if you went somewhere else ( only please don't come to Liverpool, because you won't be welcome ).

Nobody from " up North " has ever made nasty comments that are in anyway as bad as those made by andysaints007

My oh my, haven't you led a sheltered life!! I haven't even got started yet! U should look at the history on this site and see the vile comments left on here by some of your fellow Liverpudlians!! I have implied a couple of things - I could have said a lot worse. I'm sorry that I don't believe in a Utopia like some of you on here and I certainly don't subscribe to your delusions about city life. I was brought up in the services and lived all over the world - so I don't have roots anywhere in particular which is why cities mean nothing to me !!

Every City has its similarities worldwide. You have decent people and the not so decent people.

Even out in the Countryside you still have a yob element.

I am no angel on these forums, but I am not going to attack fellow people in this topic.

I'm no fan of Cruise Liners, but I do understand the income they bring into a City. The Cruise Industry is growing, there is plenty of room for Liverpool and as I have suggested before, some competition will bring improvements to our own great City.

I wasn't born in Southampton, but it's a City I have chosen to settle down in as I like the place, yes Andy it does have its bad areas, but any City/Town also suffers the same.

Be proud of where you live, if not why not find somewhere you can settle and enjoy?

No need for all this falling out over this topic. Hope everyone has a fantastic weekend!

andysaints007 wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
I have re-posted this, sorry about the earlier errors, I had to take a telephone call at the same time.


andysaints007

You really are a sad, sick and damaged person who really does need help ( psychiatric help ).

You truly are one of the most offensive foul mouthed people I have ever had the misfortune to have dealings with.

You have no respect for anybody or anything ( except it seems , your football team ), how pitiful can you get.

Virtually everybody on this site except for the likes of you, has a respect for the views of other people, even when those views are not to their liking. They certainly don't have to resort to bad language and personal insults to put across their point of view.

For heavens sake get off this forum ( a forum for football thugs, might be more to your liking ).

If I was from Southampton I would be ashamed that you come onto this forum and attack everybody including the very people who live in Southampton. You also appear to have nothing positive at all to say about Southampton, if it is that bad then Southampton would be better off if you went somewhere else ( only please don't come to Liverpool, because you won't be welcome ).

Nobody from " up North " has ever made nasty comments that are in anyway as bad as those made by andysaints007

My oh my, haven't you led a sheltered life!! I haven't even got started yet! U should look at the history on this site and see the vile comments left on here by some of your fellow Liverpudlians!! I have implied a couple of things - I could have said a lot worse. I'm sorry that I don't believe in a Utopia like some of you on here and I certainly don't subscribe to your delusions about city life. I was brought up in the services and lived all over the world - so I don't have roots anywhere in particular which is why cities mean nothing to me !!

see, I said he did not come from Southampton, tell me mr. andysh*t007,if you dislike southampton so much and do not even come from here, why don't you go somewhere else (please)
I notice your vile comment is still up in spite of the fact I reported it nearly 7 hours ago.

pod wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
I have re-posted this, sorry about the earlier errors, I had to take a telephone call at the same time.


andysaints007

You really are a sad, sick and damaged person who really does need help ( psychiatric help ).

You truly are one of the most offensive foul mouthed people I have ever had the misfortune to have dealings with.

You have no respect for anybody or anything ( except it seems , your football team ), how pitiful can you get.

Virtually everybody on this site except for the likes of you, has a respect for the views of other people, even when those views are not to their liking. They certainly don't have to resort to bad language and personal insults to put across their point of view.

For heavens sake get off this forum ( a forum for football thugs, might be more to your liking ).

If I was from Southampton I would be ashamed that you come onto this forum and attack everybody including the very people who live in Southampton. You also appear to have nothing positive at all to say about Southampton, if it is that bad then Southampton would be better off if you went somewhere else ( only please don't come to Liverpool, because you won't be welcome ).

Nobody from " up North " has ever made nasty comments that are in anyway as bad as those made by andysaints007

My oh my, haven't you led a sheltered life!! I haven't even got started yet! U should look at the history on this site and see the vile comments left on here by some of your fellow Liverpudlians!! I have implied a couple of things - I could have said a lot worse. I'm sorry that I don't believe in a Utopia like some of you on here and I certainly don't subscribe to your delusions about city life. I was brought up in the services and lived all over the world - so I don't have roots anywhere in particular which is why cities mean nothing to me !!

see, I said he did not come from Southampton, tell me mr. andysh*t007,if you dislike southampton so much and do not even come from here, why don't you go somewhere else (please)
I notice your vile comment is still up in spite of the fact I reported it nearly 7 hours ago.

Pod, don't lower yourself. As I said above, I'm no Angel on here, I wasn't offended by the comment so let it stay, just because I get on with Loosehead and agree with lots of his postings doesn't mean anything.

Have a great weekend! x

pod wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
I have re-posted this, sorry about the earlier errors, I had to take a telephone call at the same time.


andysaints007

You really are a sad, sick and damaged person who really does need help ( psychiatric help ).

You truly are one of the most offensive foul mouthed people I have ever had the misfortune to have dealings with.

You have no respect for anybody or anything ( except it seems , your football team ), how pitiful can you get.

Virtually everybody on this site except for the likes of you, has a respect for the views of other people, even when those views are not to their liking. They certainly don't have to resort to bad language and personal insults to put across their point of view.

For heavens sake get off this forum ( a forum for football thugs, might be more to your liking ).

If I was from Southampton I would be ashamed that you come onto this forum and attack everybody including the very people who live in Southampton. You also appear to have nothing positive at all to say about Southampton, if it is that bad then Southampton would be better off if you went somewhere else ( only please don't come to Liverpool, because you won't be welcome ).

Nobody from " up North " has ever made nasty comments that are in anyway as bad as those made by andysaints007

My oh my, haven't you led a sheltered life!! I haven't even got started yet! U should look at the history on this site and see the vile comments left on here by some of your fellow Liverpudlians!! I have implied a couple of things - I could have said a lot worse. I'm sorry that I don't believe in a Utopia like some of you on here and I certainly don't subscribe to your delusions about city life. I was brought up in the services and lived all over the world - so I don't have roots anywhere in particular which is why cities mean nothing to me !!

see, I said he did not come from Southampton, tell me mr. andysh*t007,if you dislike southampton so much and do not even come from here, why don't you go somewhere else (please)
I notice your vile comment is still up in spite of the fact I reported it nearly 7 hours ago.

Well Mr Pod you called me a pig and I have not called you anything so why do you keep goading me? Maybe your definition of vile is not the same as others - I could say a lot worse if you want me to!!

andysaints007 wrote:

pod wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
I have re-posted this, sorry about the earlier errors, I had to take a telephone call at the same time.


andysaints007

You really are a sad, sick and damaged person who really does need help ( psychiatric help ).

You truly are one of the most offensive foul mouthed people I have ever had the misfortune to have dealings with.

You have no respect for anybody or anything ( except it seems , your football team ), how pitiful can you get.

Virtually everybody on this site except for the likes of you, has a respect for the views of other people, even when those views are not to their liking. They certainly don't have to resort to bad language and personal insults to put across their point of view.

For heavens sake get off this forum ( a forum for football thugs, might be more to your liking ).

If I was from Southampton I would be ashamed that you come onto this forum and attack everybody including the very people who live in Southampton. You also appear to have nothing positive at all to say about Southampton, if it is that bad then Southampton would be better off if you went somewhere else ( only please don't come to Liverpool, because you won't be welcome ).

Nobody from " up North " has ever made nasty comments that are in anyway as bad as those made by andysaints007

My oh my, haven't you led a sheltered life!! I haven't even got started yet! U should look at the history on this site and see the vile comments left on here by some of your fellow Liverpudlians!! I have implied a couple of things - I could have said a lot worse. I'm sorry that I don't believe in a Utopia like some of you on here and I certainly don't subscribe to your delusions about city life. I was brought up in the services and lived all over the world - so I don't have roots anywhere in particular which is why cities mean nothing to me !!

see, I said he did not come from Southampton, tell me mr. andysh*t007,if you dislike southampton so much and do not even come from here, why don't you go somewhere else (please)
I notice your vile comment is still up in spite of the fact I reported it nearly 7 hours ago.

Well Mr Pod you called me a pig and I have not called you anything so why do you keep goading me? Maybe your definition of vile is not the same as others - I could say a lot worse if you want me to!!

Yeah Mr Pod - just stick to slagging off the Echo reporters when they make a grammatical error like most of you normally do on here!! ****

pod wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
I have re-posted this, sorry about the earlier errors, I had to take a telephone call at the same time.


andysaints007

You really are a sad, sick and damaged person who really does need help ( psychiatric help ).

You truly are one of the most offensive foul mouthed people I have ever had the misfortune to have dealings with.

You have no respect for anybody or anything ( except it seems , your football team ), how pitiful can you get.

Virtually everybody on this site except for the likes of you, has a respect for the views of other people, even when those views are not to their liking. They certainly don't have to resort to bad language and personal insults to put across their point of view.

For heavens sake get off this forum ( a forum for football thugs, might be more to your liking ).

If I was from Southampton I would be ashamed that you come onto this forum and attack everybody including the very people who live in Southampton. You also appear to have nothing positive at all to say about Southampton, if it is that bad then Southampton would be better off if you went somewhere else ( only please don't come to Liverpool, because you won't be welcome ).

Nobody from " up North " has ever made nasty comments that are in anyway as bad as those made by andysaints007

My oh my, haven't you led a sheltered life!! I haven't even got started yet! U should look at the history on this site and see the vile comments left on here by some of your fellow Liverpudlians!! I have implied a couple of things - I could have said a lot worse. I'm sorry that I don't believe in a Utopia like some of you on here and I certainly don't subscribe to your delusions about city life. I was brought up in the services and lived all over the world - so I don't have roots anywhere in particular which is why cities mean nothing to me !!

see, I said he did not come from Southampton, tell me mr. andysh*t007,if you dislike southampton so much and do not even come from here, why don't you go somewhere else (please)
I notice your vile comment is still up in spite of the fact I reported it nearly 7 hours ago.

I also want to know why his comments are still on this forum as I reported him at 12.30am this morning after he made his remarks concerning Loosehead and IronLady2010.
This chap should be barred, he is taking advantage of " the right to free speech ".
I'm sure every decent person on this forum, no matter which side of the fence their feelings are over the matter we are discussing will agree that he should be barred.

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

pod wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
I have re-posted this, sorry about the earlier errors, I had to take a telephone call at the same time.


andysaints007

You really are a sad, sick and damaged person who really does need help ( psychiatric help ).

You truly are one of the most offensive foul mouthed people I have ever had the misfortune to have dealings with.

You have no respect for anybody or anything ( except it seems , your football team ), how pitiful can you get.

Virtually everybody on this site except for the likes of you, has a respect for the views of other people, even when those views are not to their liking. They certainly don't have to resort to bad language and personal insults to put across their point of view.

For heavens sake get off this forum ( a forum for football thugs, might be more to your liking ).

If I was from Southampton I would be ashamed that you come onto this forum and attack everybody including the very people who live in Southampton. You also appear to have nothing positive at all to say about Southampton, if it is that bad then Southampton would be better off if you went somewhere else ( only please don't come to Liverpool, because you won't be welcome ).

Nobody from " up North " has ever made nasty comments that are in anyway as bad as those made by andysaints007

My oh my, haven't you led a sheltered life!! I haven't even got started yet! U should look at the history on this site and see the vile comments left on here by some of your fellow Liverpudlians!! I have implied a couple of things - I could have said a lot worse. I'm sorry that I don't believe in a Utopia like some of you on here and I certainly don't subscribe to your delusions about city life. I was brought up in the services and lived all over the world - so I don't have roots anywhere in particular which is why cities mean nothing to me !!

see, I said he did not come from Southampton, tell me mr. andysh*t007,if you dislike southampton so much and do not even come from here, why don't you go somewhere else (please)
I notice your vile comment is still up in spite of the fact I reported it nearly 7 hours ago.

I also want to know why his comments are still on this forum as I reported him at 12.30am this morning after he made his remarks concerning Loosehead and IronLady2010.
This chap should be barred, he is taking advantage of " the right to free speech ".
I'm sure every decent person on this forum, no matter which side of the fence their feelings are over the matter we are discussing will agree that he should be barred.

We all say things we later regret, don't worry about it. I for one am much calmer these days than I used to be. I guess when it comes to forums if you don't fit in, you get defensive.

I wasn't offended and I doubt Loosehead was either. It was a remark better suited to an 11 year old playground, but hey ho we live with all sorts.

Don't worry about it and I apologise if you should feel all Southampton people are similar as this isn't the case!

IronLady2010 wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

pod wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
I have re-posted this, sorry about the earlier errors, I had to take a telephone call at the same time.


andysaints007

You really are a sad, sick and damaged person who really does need help ( psychiatric help ).

You truly are one of the most offensive foul mouthed people I have ever had the misfortune to have dealings with.

You have no respect for anybody or anything ( except it seems , your football team ), how pitiful can you get.

Virtually everybody on this site except for the likes of you, has a respect for the views of other people, even when those views are not to their liking. They certainly don't have to resort to bad language and personal insults to put across their point of view.

For heavens sake get off this forum ( a forum for football thugs, might be more to your liking ).

If I was from Southampton I would be ashamed that you come onto this forum and attack everybody including the very people who live in Southampton. You also appear to have nothing positive at all to say about Southampton, if it is that bad then Southampton would be better off if you went somewhere else ( only please don't come to Liverpool, because you won't be welcome ).

Nobody from " up North " has ever made nasty comments that are in anyway as bad as those made by andysaints007

My oh my, haven't you led a sheltered life!! I haven't even got started yet! U should look at the history on this site and see the vile comments left on here by some of your fellow Liverpudlians!! I have implied a couple of things - I could have said a lot worse. I'm sorry that I don't believe in a Utopia like some of you on here and I certainly don't subscribe to your delusions about city life. I was brought up in the services and lived all over the world - so I don't have roots anywhere in particular which is why cities mean nothing to me !!

see, I said he did not come from Southampton, tell me mr. andysh*t007,if you dislike southampton so much and do not even come from here, why don't you go somewhere else (please)
I notice your vile comment is still up in spite of the fact I reported it nearly 7 hours ago.

I also want to know why his comments are still on this forum as I reported him at 12.30am this morning after he made his remarks concerning Loosehead and IronLady2010.
This chap should be barred, he is taking advantage of " the right to free speech ".
I'm sure every decent person on this forum, no matter which side of the fence their feelings are over the matter we are discussing will agree that he should be barred.

We all say things we later regret, don't worry about it. I for one am much calmer these days than I used to be. I guess when it comes to forums if you don't fit in, you get defensive.

I wasn't offended and I doubt Loosehead was either. It was a remark better suited to an 11 year old playground, but hey ho we live with all sorts.

Don't worry about it and I apologise if you should feel all Southampton people are similar as this isn't the case!

I have the greatest respect for the real people of Southampton and I also respect their views concerning this issue we are discussing.
I have always said that I respect whatever the outcome is regarding the EU grant.
I have also genuinely tried to explain the real amounts of grant involved ( £17.5 million not £21 million as reported in this newspaper ).The safety hazards at Langton dock and my belief that the only clause against turn-arounds is attached to only the UK part of the grant which has now been revoked by the government.Only time will tell if I am correct, If I'm wrong then I and Liverpool will have to go along with it and pay back the EU grant.

I certainly do not hold any malice against the people of Southampton , but my loyalties lie with Liverpool.
I will not tolerate some of the remarks concerning the character of myself or Liverpudlians in general ( looking through this newspaper Southampton certainly has its fair share of riff raff too )

andysaints007 wrote:

pod wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

pod wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

andysaints007 wrote:
.. and Loosehead if you really want to f*ck Ironlady just ask her and stop grovelling around her like a puppy!! Or is that a rugby thing?

If I were Loosehead Or Ironlady I would definitely report your posts because you are a disgusting embarrassment to the city of Southampton and to this newspaper.

YAWN with a capital YAWN - you are boring me now bye bye xx

I have reported this post on behalf of everyone on here who is trying to have a balanced debate, none of us mind banter, but this thing has gone too far. He says he thinks southampton is a sh*&hole, it isn't. Unfortunately some of the people in it are, and I am sure liverpool has its fair share.
I disembarked at Liverpool a couple of months ago, their terminal is not good, but I have to say that we were very impressed with the waterfront and city and hope to return again soon, I also had lots of craic with the staff there, it was great, they now know that it is a ship not a boat and it gets moored not parked. Lets not forget that it is the so called 'highups' who have caused this problem, not the ordinary man in the street, throughout history we have always been used as cannon fodder

I say it's a sh*thole because it is!! Apart from the beautiful suburbs of Millbrook, Thornhill, Weston, St Mary's, Northam, Newtown, Portswood, Swaythling, Merry Oak, Woolston and Shirley of course !!

no Southampton is not a shith*le, and I for one deeply resent you calling it so. Some of the people in it might have tried to make into a *****ole (try looking in the mirror andysaint007), but I for one am proud to have been born and bred in southampton.
However, I am ashamed to be associated by such an aggressive foulmouthed pig like mr saint.

Ha Ha Ha - so everyone from every other city is a thoroughly nice chap then!! Wake up you dinosuaur!! So are you saying that Southampton is a friendly place then? Would you go out in town at night on your own? Would you be happy with a relative doing the same (female or male)? Do you never sit in traffic jams for no apparent reason in the official 'slowest moving city in the land' ? Do you enjoy the fragmented feel of the City? Would you love mopping up the sick every morning outside your house? Would you like replacing your wing mirrors 3 times a year? Do you like walking around the West Quay wondering what everyone around you is saying (cos it isn't English)? The only good thing about the city is the Saints and even they are gonna be priced out of most peoples budget soon!!! My opinions of course but if you don't like them then just ignore them - simple! If you want to argue with me, then its a democracy and I would be more than willing to oblige!! ****

Andy I always went out on the town by myself & I never got attacked or threatened?

The fact that Liverpool was planning to host a turnaround cruise on 29th May was well known for weeks and months in advance. Had Mike Penning seriously objected to that, he had the option of slamming a court injunction on our cruise liner terminal. He did no such thing.
It was, therefore, at the discretion of our newly-elected mayor as to whether or not to allow the sailing of the Ocean Countess. To have said no would have lost the city lucrative business and served no purpose.

Liverpool City Council has not breached any law by allowing turnaround cruises.

When Mike Penning made the decision that repayment of the British government grant was required, Liverpool responded by saying that it would meet whatever terms were demanded.

Should, at some date in the future, the EU come back and demand the repayment of its section of the grant, the City Council will do that as the terminal is worth more to the city than the grant repayment. Why then should the city refuse cruise turnarounds?

At the end of the day, the £17.8m of grants given to Liverpool did not give the city any commercial advantage over Southampton - what was built was a floating landing stage - something that is not required at Soton due to the much lower tidal range. The actual terminal - presently a marquee - was locally funded. So the basis of the grant repayment has always been shaky. Also, nobody has come up with a convincing explanation as to why the £60m of government grants given to improve access to the Port of Southampton and allow it to trade well within Liverpool's hinterland does not need to be repaid - or maybe Southampton council has that matter in hand.

MerseyMart wrote:
The fact that Liverpool was planning to host a turnaround cruise on 29th May was well known for weeks and months in advance. Had Mike Penning seriously objected to that, he had the option of slamming a court injunction on our cruise liner terminal. He did no such thing.
It was, therefore, at the discretion of our newly-elected mayor as to whether or not to allow the sailing of the Ocean Countess. To have said no would have lost the city lucrative business and served no purpose.

Liverpool City Council has not breached any law by allowing turnaround cruises.

When Mike Penning made the decision that repayment of the British government grant was required, Liverpool responded by saying that it would meet whatever terms were demanded.

Should, at some date in the future, the EU come back and demand the repayment of its section of the grant, the City Council will do that as the terminal is worth more to the city than the grant repayment. Why then should the city refuse cruise turnarounds?

At the end of the day, the £17.8m of grants given to Liverpool did not give the city any commercial advantage over Southampton - what was built was a floating landing stage - something that is not required at Soton due to the much lower tidal range. The actual terminal - presently a marquee - was locally funded. So the basis of the grant repayment has always been shaky. Also, nobody has come up with a convincing explanation as to why the £60m of government grants given to improve access to the Port of Southampton and allow it to trade well within Liverpool's hinterland does not need to be repaid - or maybe Southampton council has that matter in hand.

Merseymart
The shipping minister has warned Liverpool may have to pay a “financial penalty” for starting turnaround cruises without EU approval.
When he said if you pay back monies you can start turnaround he also said only after you have EU approval!
so yes you should have cancelled or moved this cruise ship to Langton until & if that approval is/was forthcoming.
if you couldn't move it then yes you would lose revenue but who booked it & when did you book it?
You never had permission to use the facility so you shouldn't have arranged any sailings ( turnaround) from that facility.
looks like your council decided to go ahead no matter what & the cancellation of one ship could be better than maybe the withdrawal of permission for turnarounds?
If that's the decision then that's your council's fault & nothing to do with us.

MerseyMart wrote:
The fact that Liverpool was planning to host a turnaround cruise on 29th May was well known for weeks and months in advance. Had Mike Penning seriously objected to that, he had the option of slamming a court injunction on our cruise liner terminal. He did no such thing.
It was, therefore, at the discretion of our newly-elected mayor as to whether or not to allow the sailing of the Ocean Countess. To have said no would have lost the city lucrative business and served no purpose.

Liverpool City Council has not breached any law by allowing turnaround cruises.

When Mike Penning made the decision that repayment of the British government grant was required, Liverpool responded by saying that it would meet whatever terms were demanded.

Should, at some date in the future, the EU come back and demand the repayment of its section of the grant, the City Council will do that as the terminal is worth more to the city than the grant repayment. Why then should the city refuse cruise turnarounds?

At the end of the day, the £17.8m of grants given to Liverpool did not give the city any commercial advantage over Southampton - what was built was a floating landing stage - something that is not required at Soton due to the much lower tidal range. The actual terminal - presently a marquee - was locally funded. So the basis of the grant repayment has always been shaky. Also, nobody has come up with a convincing explanation as to why the £60m of government grants given to improve access to the Port of Southampton and allow it to trade well within Liverpool's hinterland does not need to be repaid - or maybe Southampton council has that matter in hand.

You went & ruined it!
£60million grant?
The rail network is being improved all over the country.
if High Speed Rail goes ahead with government money & it eventually links up with the North West should we complain about unfair competition?
It would be quicker to get to London from Leeds than from Southampton.
If you look into it properly ABP Southampton have had to contribute to this upgrading of the rail network.
As for our roads this is an upgrade in our city centre which is a major bottleneck & will improve the traffic flow from one side of the city to the other.
The area it's being done there's only one active dock gate as the rest of the docks are now residential areas.
So please explain to me where £60million has been spent on dock related business ( Terminal's)
did you pay for all your new road improvements?

loosehead wrote:

MerseyMart wrote:
The fact that Liverpool was planning to host a turnaround cruise on 29th May was well known for weeks and months in advance. Had Mike Penning seriously objected to that, he had the option of slamming a court injunction on our cruise liner terminal. He did no such thing.
It was, therefore, at the discretion of our newly-elected mayor as to whether or not to allow the sailing of the Ocean Countess. To have said no would have lost the city lucrative business and served no purpose.

Liverpool City Council has not breached any law by allowing turnaround cruises.

When Mike Penning made the decision that repayment of the British government grant was required, Liverpool responded by saying that it would meet whatever terms were demanded.

Should, at some date in the future, the EU come back and demand the repayment of its section of the grant, the City Council will do that as the terminal is worth more to the city than the grant repayment. Why then should the city refuse cruise turnarounds?

At the end of the day, the £17.8m of grants given to Liverpool did not give the city any commercial advantage over Southampton - what was built was a floating landing stage - something that is not required at Soton due to the much lower tidal range. The actual terminal - presently a marquee - was locally funded. So the basis of the grant repayment has always been shaky. Also, nobody has come up with a convincing explanation as to why the £60m of government grants given to improve access to the Port of Southampton and allow it to trade well within Liverpool's hinterland does not need to be repaid - or maybe Southampton council has that matter in hand.

You went & ruined it!
£60million grant?
The rail network is being improved all over the country.
if High Speed Rail goes ahead with government money & it eventually links up with the North West should we complain about unfair competition?
It would be quicker to get to London from Leeds than from Southampton.
If you look into it properly ABP Southampton have had to contribute to this upgrading of the rail network.
As for our roads this is an upgrade in our city centre which is a major bottleneck & will improve the traffic flow from one side of the city to the other.
The area it's being done there's only one active dock gate as the rest of the docks are now residential areas.
So please explain to me where £60million has been spent on dock related business ( Terminal's)
did you pay for all your new road improvements?

Much has been said regarding grants and government assistance to private companies.
With reference to the government money paid towards Southampton roads, the city and port of Southampton have government assistance and subsidy by the very fact that their road network is not held to ransom by tolls.
Imagine the outcry in Southampton if all the river crossings carried a £1.50 toll eachway ( lorries pay a great deal more ).

I live on the Wirral peninsula, but I am only 4miles from Liverpool city centre. In order to drive to Liverpool I have to pay £1.50 each way through either Kingsway ( the Wallasey tunnel which is the continuation of the M53 motorway ) or Queensway ( the Birkenhead tunnel ).
If I wished to avoid paying tunnel fees I would have to drive 31.6 miles east to the Runcorn bridge and a further 15.7 miles west on the other side of the river to reach Liverpool city centre.
At present the Runcorn bridge built in 1960 is toll free, but after a new bridge is built alongside in the next couple of years the old bridge will carry a toll even though it has been a part of the national road system for 52 years. The reason they give us is that the new bridge will carry a toll from the day it is built and because of this the old one must follow suit or no one will use the new one.
If you don't use the tunnels or Runcorn bridge your only toll free crossing is at Warrington which is 37.5 miles east and having crossed the river is a further 21.9 miles west to Liverpool city centre.
The people of Liverpool had to pay for the original Queensway tunnel which opened in 1934 and were told that after 70 years it would be toll free , howver when the Kingway tunnel was built in 1970 they imposed a toll and because of this the other tunnel will always have a toll.

You tell me that we should all play on a level playing field.

OK when are the government going to take responsibility for the largest obstacle that we in Liverpool have for economic growth, and adopt the mersey tunnels as part of the national road system especially when the M53 motorway ends at the beginning of the kingsway tunnel.
Also how can a bridge built 52 years ago cease to be toll free because it cannot cope with the traffic and a new bridge which should be toll free needs to be built, without destroying the economy of the area.

We in Liverpool would very much want a level playing field , but we certainly don't have one where transport matters are concerned.

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MerseyMart wrote:
The fact that Liverpool was planning to host a turnaround cruise on 29th May was well known for weeks and months in advance. Had Mike Penning seriously objected to that, he had the option of slamming a court injunction on our cruise liner terminal. He did no such thing.
It was, therefore, at the discretion of our newly-elected mayor as to whether or not to allow the sailing of the Ocean Countess. To have said no would have lost the city lucrative business and served no purpose.

Liverpool City Council has not breached any law by allowing turnaround cruises.

When Mike Penning made the decision that repayment of the British government grant was required, Liverpool responded by saying that it would meet whatever terms were demanded.

Should, at some date in the future, the EU come back and demand the repayment of its section of the grant, the City Council will do that as the terminal is worth more to the city than the grant repayment. Why then should the city refuse cruise turnarounds?

At the end of the day, the £17.8m of grants given to Liverpool did not give the city any commercial advantage over Southampton - what was built was a floating landing stage - something that is not required at Soton due to the much lower tidal range. The actual terminal - presently a marquee - was locally funded. So the basis of the grant repayment has always been shaky. Also, nobody has come up with a convincing explanation as to why the £60m of government grants given to improve access to the Port of Southampton and allow it to trade well within Liverpool's hinterland does not need to be repaid - or maybe Southampton council has that matter in hand.

You went & ruined it!
£60million grant?
The rail network is being improved all over the country.
if High Speed Rail goes ahead with government money & it eventually links up with the North West should we complain about unfair competition?
It would be quicker to get to London from Leeds than from Southampton.
If you look into it properly ABP Southampton have had to contribute to this upgrading of the rail network.
As for our roads this is an upgrade in our city centre which is a major bottleneck & will improve the traffic flow from one side of the city to the other.
The area it's being done there's only one active dock gate as the rest of the docks are now residential areas.
So please explain to me where £60million has been spent on dock related business ( Terminal's)
did you pay for all your new road improvements?

Much has been said regarding grants and government assistance to private companies.
With reference to the government money paid towards Southampton roads, the city and port of Southampton have government assistance and subsidy by the very fact that their road network is not held to ransom by tolls.
Imagine the outcry in Southampton if all the river crossings carried a £1.50 toll eachway ( lorries pay a great deal more ).

I live on the Wirral peninsula, but I am only 4miles from Liverpool city centre. In order to drive to Liverpool I have to pay £1.50 each way through either Kingsway ( the Wallasey tunnel which is the continuation of the M53 motorway ) or Queensway ( the Birkenhead tunnel ).
If I wished to avoid paying tunnel fees I would have to drive 31.6 miles east to the Runcorn bridge and a further 15.7 miles west on the other side of the river to reach Liverpool city centre.
At present the Runcorn bridge built in 1960 is toll free, but after a new bridge is built alongside in the next couple of years the old bridge will carry a toll even though it has been a part of the national road system for 52 years. The reason they give us is that the new bridge will carry a toll from the day it is built and because of this the old one must follow suit or no one will use the new one.
If you don't use the tunnels or Runcorn bridge your only toll free crossing is at Warrington which is 37.5 miles east and having crossed the river is a further 21.9 miles west to Liverpool city centre.
The people of Liverpool had to pay for the original Queensway tunnel which opened in 1934 and were told that after 70 years it would be toll free , howver when the Kingway tunnel was built in 1970 they imposed a toll and because of this the other tunnel will always have a toll.

You tell me that we should all play on a level playing field.

OK when are the government going to take responsibility for the largest obstacle that we in Liverpool have for economic growth, and adopt the mersey tunnels as part of the national road system especially when the M53 motorway ends at the beginning of the kingsway tunnel.
Also how can a bridge built 52 years ago cease to be toll free because it cannot cope with the traffic and a new bridge which should be toll free needs to be built, without destroying the economy of the area.

We in Liverpool would very much want a level playing field , but we certainly don't have one where transport matters are concerned.

I understand your frustration with the tolls but i am afraid they are becoming an increasing part of the road system all over the country, we thought we paid for our roads with road tax so they changed the name to Vehicle Excise Duty in order to dispel that theory, but as much as i hate tolls i think we are getting away from the initial argument. How can we expect private companies to invest in the U.K. as a whole (north or south) if there is a fear that another company can come along and get government and E.U money in order to compete with you, we desperately need investment in this country and grants are a good way of attracting that investment but it must not be to the detriment of other businesses, the only other point i would like to make is that whatever the outcome it serves no purpose taking lumps out of each other. Don't forget what Mr Cameron said (we are all in this together) well not quite.

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MerseyMart wrote:
The fact that Liverpool was planning to host a turnaround cruise on 29th May was well known for weeks and months in advance. Had Mike Penning seriously objected to that, he had the option of slamming a court injunction on our cruise liner terminal. He did no such thing.
It was, therefore, at the discretion of our newly-elected mayor as to whether or not to allow the sailing of the Ocean Countess. To have said no would have lost the city lucrative business and served no purpose.

Liverpool City Council has not breached any law by allowing turnaround cruises.

When Mike Penning made the decision that repayment of the British government grant was required, Liverpool responded by saying that it would meet whatever terms were demanded.

Should, at some date in the future, the EU come back and demand the repayment of its section of the grant, the City Council will do that as the terminal is worth more to the city than the grant repayment. Why then should the city refuse cruise turnarounds?

At the end of the day, the £17.8m of grants given to Liverpool did not give the city any commercial advantage over Southampton - what was built was a floating landing stage - something that is not required at Soton due to the much lower tidal range. The actual terminal - presently a marquee - was locally funded. So the basis of the grant repayment has always been shaky. Also, nobody has come up with a convincing explanation as to why the £60m of government grants given to improve access to the Port of Southampton and allow it to trade well within Liverpool's hinterland does not need to be repaid - or maybe Southampton council has that matter in hand.

You went & ruined it!
£60million grant?
The rail network is being improved all over the country.
if High Speed Rail goes ahead with government money & it eventually links up with the North West should we complain about unfair competition?
It would be quicker to get to London from Leeds than from Southampton.
If you look into it properly ABP Southampton have had to contribute to this upgrading of the rail network.
As for our roads this is an upgrade in our city centre which is a major bottleneck & will improve the traffic flow from one side of the city to the other.
The area it's being done there's only one active dock gate as the rest of the docks are now residential areas.
So please explain to me where £60million has been spent on dock related business ( Terminal's)
did you pay for all your new road improvements?

Much has been said regarding grants and government assistance to private companies.
With reference to the government money paid towards Southampton roads, the city and port of Southampton have government assistance and subsidy by the very fact that their road network is not held to ransom by tolls.
Imagine the outcry in Southampton if all the river crossings carried a £1.50 toll eachway ( lorries pay a great deal more ).

I live on the Wirral peninsula, but I am only 4miles from Liverpool city centre. In order to drive to Liverpool I have to pay £1.50 each way through either Kingsway ( the Wallasey tunnel which is the continuation of the M53 motorway ) or Queensway ( the Birkenhead tunnel ).
If I wished to avoid paying tunnel fees I would have to drive 31.6 miles east to the Runcorn bridge and a further 15.7 miles west on the other side of the river to reach Liverpool city centre.
At present the Runcorn bridge built in 1960 is toll free, but after a new bridge is built alongside in the next couple of years the old bridge will carry a toll even though it has been a part of the national road system for 52 years. The reason they give us is that the new bridge will carry a toll from the day it is built and because of this the old one must follow suit or no one will use the new one.
If you don't use the tunnels or Runcorn bridge your only toll free crossing is at Warrington which is 37.5 miles east and having crossed the river is a further 21.9 miles west to Liverpool city centre.
The people of Liverpool had to pay for the original Queensway tunnel which opened in 1934 and were told that after 70 years it would be toll free , howver when the Kingway tunnel was built in 1970 they imposed a toll and because of this the other tunnel will always have a toll.

You tell me that we should all play on a level playing field.

OK when are the government going to take responsibility for the largest obstacle that we in Liverpool have for economic growth, and adopt the mersey tunnels as part of the national road system especially when the M53 motorway ends at the beginning of the kingsway tunnel.
Also how can a bridge built 52 years ago cease to be toll free because it cannot cope with the traffic and a new bridge which should be toll free needs to be built, without destroying the economy of the area.

We in Liverpool would very much want a level playing field , but we certainly don't have one where transport matters are concerned.

Sorry to tell you this but we have a toll road/bridge that leads directly into the road system they want to upgrade.
It's called the Itchen Bridge & yes you have to pay to get across it so sorry but your not unique on that one

Loosehead, Shall we agree that Liverpool repays the EU grant in total with interest and gives Greece another bailout while we are at it? Would you be happy then? Probably not.

Let's face it, the outcome that Soton really wants is for Liverpool to throw in the towel and decide they will not host any cruise turnarounds despite all this ' we welcome competition on a level playing field' hot air.

What has been particularly noticeable is just how more vociferous the Southampton campaign has become despite Liverpool agreeing to the initial request that the government grant be repaid.

Much of this is based on fear, which your local newspaper is keen to whip up by its constant allusion to Liverpool 'muscling in' on Soton's business. This leads to people believing nonsense such as Liverpool going after cruise passengers from Brighton.

As I have pointed out many times, if I lived in Southampton I would be far more concerned about the growth of Portsmouth as a cruise liner port than that of a city hundreds of miles away. If Southampton wishes to retain its position as the UKs No.1 cruise port then it really needs to look at the service that it provides to passengers, rather than attempting to stifle the minimal competition that it will have from Liverpool.

loosehead wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

loosehead wrote:

MerseyMart wrote:
The fact that Liverpool was planning to host a turnaround cruise on 29th May was well known for weeks and months in advance. Had Mike Penning seriously objected to that, he had the option of slamming a court injunction on our cruise liner terminal. He did no such thing.
It was, therefore, at the discretion of our newly-elected mayor as to whether or not to allow the sailing of the Ocean Countess. To have said no would have lost the city lucrative business and served no purpose.

Liverpool City Council has not breached any law by allowing turnaround cruises.

When Mike Penning made the decision that repayment of the British government grant was required, Liverpool responded by saying that it would meet whatever terms were demanded.

Should, at some date in the future, the EU come back and demand the repayment of its section of the grant, the City Council will do that as the terminal is worth more to the city than the grant repayment. Why then should the city refuse cruise turnarounds?


At the end of the day, the £17.8m of grants given to Liverpool did not give the city any commercial advantage over Southampton - what was built was a floating landing stage - something that is not required at Soton due to the much lower tidal range. The actual terminal - presently a marquee - was locally funded. So the basis of the grant repayment has always been shaky. Also, nobody has come up with a convincing explanation as to why the £60m of government grants given to improve access to the Port of Southampton and allow it to trade well within Liverpool's hinterland does not need to be repaid - or maybe Southampton council has that matter in hand.

You went & ruined it!
£60million grant?
The rail network is being improved all over the country.
if High Speed Rail goes ahead with government money & it eventually links up with the North West should we complain about unfair competition?
It would be quicker to get to London from Leeds than from Southampton.
If you look into it properly ABP Southampton have had to contribute to this upgrading of the rail network.
As for our roads this is an upgrade in our city centre which is a major bottleneck & will improve the traffic flow from one side of the city to the other.
The area it's being done there's only one active dock gate as the rest of the docks are now residential areas.
So please explain to me where £60million has been spent on dock related business ( Terminal's)
did you pay for all your new road improvements?

Much has been said regarding grants and government assistance to private companies.
With reference to the government money paid towards Southampton roads, the city and port of Southampton have government assistance and subsidy by the very fact that their road network is not held to ransom by tolls.
Imagine the outcry in Southampton if all the river crossings carried a £1.50 toll eachway ( lorries pay a great deal more ).

I live on the Wirral peninsula, but I am only 4miles from Liverpool city centre. In order to drive to Liverpool I have to pay £1.50 each way through either Kingsway ( the Wallasey tunnel which is the continuation of the M53 motorway ) or Queensway ( the Birkenhead tunnel ).
If I wished to avoid paying tunnel fees I would have to drive 31.6 miles east to the Runcorn bridge and a further 15.7 miles west on the other side of the river to reach Liverpool city centre.
At present the Runcorn bridge built in 1960 is toll free, but after a new bridge is built alongside in the next couple of years the old bridge will carry a toll even though it has been a part of the national road system for 52 years. The reason they give us is that the new bridge will carry a toll from the day it is built and because of this the old one must follow suit or no one will use the new one.
If you don't use the tunnels or Runcorn bridge your only toll free crossing is at Warrington which is 37.5 miles east and having crossed the river is a further 21.9 miles west to Liverpool city centre.
The people of Liverpool had to pay for the original Queensway tunnel which opened in 1934 and were told that after 70 years it would be toll free , howver when the Kingway tunnel was built in 1970 they imposed a toll and because of this the other tunnel will always have a toll.

You tell me that we should all play on a level playing field.

OK when are the government going to take responsibility for the largest obstacle that we in Liverpool have for economic growth, and adopt the mersey tunnels as part of the national road system especially when the M53 motorway ends at the beginning of the kingsway tunnel.
Also how can a bridge built 52 years ago cease to be toll free because it cannot cope with the traffic and a new bridge which should be toll free needs to be built, without destroying the economy of the area.

We in Liverpool would very much want a level playing field , but we certainly don't have one where transport matters are concerned.

Sorry to tell you this but we have a toll road/bridge that leads directly into the road system they want to upgrade.
It's called the Itchen Bridge & yes you have to pay to get across it so sorry but your not unique on that one

Proud
You are now aware that the Itchen Bridge in Southampton is tolled.
You should also be aware that the UK Govt agreed to pay 50% of the expected £5.222m it was expected to cost to build the first Mersey Tunnel in 1934.
The rate payers of Liverpool (and a much lesser extent) Birkenhead paid the remaining 50% plus an additional £1.5m or so when it was discovered that six ventilation shafts were required.
The Govt allowed the money to be repaid over 80 years with an expected toll free future after 40 years.
This never occurred as the construction of the second Mersey Tunnel caused massive debts to occur which now have been contained.
So your comment about the original Mersey Tunnel being paid for by the good people of Merseyside is not strictly true.
The UK tax payer contributed approx 35% of the final figure.
As an aside one of my relatives walked through the Tunnel prior to its opening

MerseyMart wrote:
Loosehead, Shall we agree that Liverpool repays the EU grant in total with interest and gives Greece another bailout while we are at it? Would you be happy then? Probably not.

Let's face it, the outcome that Soton really wants is for Liverpool to throw in the towel and decide they will not host any cruise turnarounds despite all this ' we welcome competition on a level playing field' hot air.

What has been particularly noticeable is just how more vociferous the Southampton campaign has become despite Liverpool agreeing to the initial request that the government grant be repaid.

Much of this is based on fear, which your local newspaper is keen to whip up by its constant allusion to Liverpool 'muscling in' on Soton's business. This leads to people believing nonsense such as Liverpool going after cruise passengers from Brighton.

As I have pointed out many times, if I lived in Southampton I would be far more concerned about the growth of Portsmouth as a cruise liner port than that of a city hundreds of miles away. If Southampton wishes to retain its position as the UKs No.1 cruise port then it really needs to look at the service that it provides to passengers, rather than attempting to stifle the minimal competition that it will have from Liverpool.

Sorry you don't know me at all.
I'm ferociously ANTI European.
I hope Greece leaves the Euro & I hope beyond all hope the Euro flops.
No more talk of further integration heading to a federal Europe.
best thing I heard today is that it's seems both Labour & the Conservatives are heading to a referendum on us leaving the EU or being run by Germany.
I don't really care about the EU grant as it's our money anyway but all I've tried saying to you all is you were given conditions for the acceptance of the turnaround facility & with it so close to being a done deal you breached those conditions didn't you?

Sorry you don't know me at all.
I'm ferociously ANTI European.
I hope Greece leaves the Euro & I hope beyond all hope the Euro flops.
No more talk of further integration heading to a federal Europe.
best thing I heard today is that it's seems both Labour & the Conservatives are heading to a referendum on us leaving the EU or being run by Germany.
I don't really care about the EU grant as it's our money anyway but all I've tried saying to you all is you were given conditions for the acceptance of the turnaround facility & with it so close to being a done deal you breached those conditions didn't you?

I'm with you on that one Loosehead, i detest the EUssr with a passion and everything and everybody to do with it, but as for Labour and conservative allowing a referendum, i wouldnt trust them an inch to give us the way out of that rotten corrupt gang of crooks.
Every ballot box should be tracked every step of the way by people who hate the EUssr simply because i have never met one single person who admitted to voting yes to join, have you? did anyone you know vote yes?

Chris storey wrote:
Sorry you don't know me at all.
I'm ferociously ANTI European.
I hope Greece leaves the Euro & I hope beyond all hope the Euro flops.
No more talk of further integration heading to a federal Europe.
best thing I heard today is that it's seems both Labour & the Conservatives are heading to a referendum on us leaving the EU or being run by Germany.
I don't really care about the EU grant as it's our money anyway but all I've tried saying to you all is you were given conditions for the acceptance of the turnaround facility & with it so close to being a done deal you breached those conditions didn't you?

I'm with you on that one Loosehead, i detest the EUssr with a passion and everything and everybody to do with it, but as for Labour and conservative allowing a referendum, i wouldnt trust them an inch to give us the way out of that rotten corrupt gang of crooks.
Every ballot box should be tracked every step of the way by people who hate the EUssr simply because i have never met one single person who admitted to voting yes to join, have you? did anyone you know vote yes?

No one I know voted to be in the EU but they did vote to be in the Common Market.
My sister my ex neighbour & friend both now have realised they were led up the garden path.
we were told we would be sovereign states/countries trading with each other with no mention of the Euro or European commission or changing our rights to a jury.
If Ukip down here weren't corrupt & weird they might stand a chance.
Chris I've said all along if Liverpool & all other cruise ports could have got together & worked out a plan for Liverpool to re-enter the cruise trade this would never have blown up into this.
As for an EU grant? bit of a joke really when you think we pay £14billion into that organisation we should get the hell out & use that money to pay off our debt.
As for jobs? how many have we lost to companies going to eastern Europe?