Staff at South West Trains vote against strike action

Daily Echo: South West Trains South West Trains

SOUTH WEST Trains staff have voted against strike action during the Olympics.

The news has been welcomed by train bosses as it means a full service will be operational throughout the London 2012 Games.

It comes after a ballot carried out by the RMT over a pay deal for the Olympics closed today, revealing that members were not in favour of striking.

However, members did vote in favour of taking action short of a strike.

Bosses had agreed to a 4.75 per cent pay increase during the games four months ago but the RMT felt a further bonus was justified.

Tim Shoveller, managing director of South West Trains, said: “Commuters and Olympic spectators will be rightly pleased to hear that their services during the Games will not be affected by an RMT strike. “We're pleased that most of our employees have voted against taking a strike during the Games. This means we can deliver our full Olympic train service and ensure our passengers can enjoy the excitement of London 2012, a once in a lifetime experience, without the threat of a strike.

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5:07pm Thu 19 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Good for them, but I bet they still make a mess of the service!
Good for them, but I bet they still make a mess of the service! OSPREYSAINT

5:29pm Thu 19 Jul 12

business-guru says...

why pay people a bonus simply for "doing their job" !?!? usually people get a bonus AFTER they have done something great.... why do these greedy people think they are entitled to something for nothing.... when in the real work ( private sector ) we get something for something usually...
why pay people a bonus simply for "doing their job" !?!? usually people get a bonus AFTER they have done something great.... why do these greedy people think they are entitled to something for nothing.... when in the real work ( private sector ) we get something for something usually... business-guru

5:51pm Thu 19 Jul 12

Maine Lobster says...

business-guru wrote:
why pay people a bonus simply for "doing their job" !?!? usually people get a bonus AFTER they have done something great.... why do these greedy people think they are entitled to something for nothing.... when in the real work ( private sector ) we get something for something usually...
Alternatively,why pay bankers massive bonuses for abject failure and bringing the country to its financial knees? Shouldn't happen should it, but as they are the professional classes and have friends in high places they get away with it. Let's not condemn a few railway employees too quickly when they are just ordinary people trying to make ends meet. The champagne swilling banking set ought to be our focus of anger. After all they railway employees are just ordinary tax payers like the rest of us, footing the bill for the greedy wrecklessness of the financiers.
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: why pay people a bonus simply for "doing their job" !?!? usually people get a bonus AFTER they have done something great.... why do these greedy people think they are entitled to something for nothing.... when in the real work ( private sector ) we get something for something usually...[/p][/quote]Alternatively,why pay bankers massive bonuses for abject failure and bringing the country to its financial knees? Shouldn't happen should it, but as they are the professional classes and have friends in high places they get away with it. Let's not condemn a few railway employees too quickly when they are just ordinary people trying to make ends meet. The champagne swilling banking set ought to be our focus of anger. After all they railway employees are just ordinary tax payers like the rest of us, footing the bill for the greedy wrecklessness of the financiers. Maine Lobster

6:02pm Thu 19 Jul 12

Condor Man says...

There's nothing more than the likes of Bob Crow would like than for people to strike during the Olympics. Good that these RMT members have seen sense.
There's nothing more than the likes of Bob Crow would like than for people to strike during the Olympics. Good that these RMT members have seen sense. Condor Man

6:10pm Thu 19 Jul 12

good-gosh says...

Give them a pay rise just for being sensible.
Give them a pay rise just for being sensible. good-gosh

6:35pm Thu 19 Jul 12

THEKILLER says...

Good for them, they are getting a extra 4.75% just for working normally that should be good enough
Good for them, they are getting a extra 4.75% just for working normally that should be good enough THEKILLER

6:40pm Thu 19 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

business-guru wrote:
why pay people a bonus simply for "doing their job" !?!? usually people get a bonus AFTER they have done something great.... why do these greedy people think they are entitled to something for nothing.... when in the real work ( private sector ) we get something for something usually...
Don't know why not ask your banker friends, they might know?
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: why pay people a bonus simply for "doing their job" !?!? usually people get a bonus AFTER they have done something great.... why do these greedy people think they are entitled to something for nothing.... when in the real work ( private sector ) we get something for something usually...[/p][/quote]Don't know why not ask your banker friends, they might know? OSPREYSAINT

6:47pm Thu 19 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.
In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics. OSPREYSAINT

7:04pm Thu 19 Jul 12

Saintade says...

Someone somewhere should have the power to sack anyone who even contemplates striking during or before the Olympics. This is about to be a defining moment in our country of which we should all be proud and anyone resorting to spoiler tactics for financial gain whilst holding the Olympics to ransom should be instantly dismissed from their employment imo.
Someone somewhere should have the power to sack anyone who even contemplates striking during or before the Olympics. This is about to be a defining moment in our country of which we should all be proud and anyone resorting to spoiler tactics for financial gain whilst holding the Olympics to ransom should be instantly dismissed from their employment imo. Saintade

7:19pm Thu 19 Jul 12

southy says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.
Bonus have all ways been offered when working out side normal working conditions.
Like they may not strike but they could keep to the contracted working conditions, which would be normal services with normal number of carrages.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.[/p][/quote]Bonus have all ways been offered when working out side normal working conditions. Like they may not strike but they could keep to the contracted working conditions, which would be normal services with normal number of carrages. southy

8:01pm Thu 19 Jul 12

kissmya%% says...

Give the guards a pay rise for sticking a dead end , unskilled job !
Give the guards a pay rise for sticking a dead end , unskilled job ! kissmya%%

8:04pm Thu 19 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saintade wrote:
Someone somewhere should have the power to sack anyone who even contemplates striking during or before the Olympics. This is about to be a defining moment in our country of which we should all be proud and anyone resorting to spoiler tactics for financial gain whilst holding the Olympics to ransom should be instantly dismissed from their employment imo.
Fair enough but that would be a dangerous precedent for a number of reasons, I can see why you feel that way but it would be unworkable.
[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: Someone somewhere should have the power to sack anyone who even contemplates striking during or before the Olympics. This is about to be a defining moment in our country of which we should all be proud and anyone resorting to spoiler tactics for financial gain whilst holding the Olympics to ransom should be instantly dismissed from their employment imo.[/p][/quote]Fair enough but that would be a dangerous precedent for a number of reasons, I can see why you feel that way but it would be unworkable. OSPREYSAINT

8:10pm Thu 19 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.
Bonus have all ways been offered when working out side normal working conditions.
Like they may not strike but they could keep to the contracted working conditions, which would be normal services with normal number of carrages.
In the business it's called "working to rule", in my line of business we never do anything else or we lose our jobs. Never asked for a bonus, prefer a little extra on the basic pay.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.[/p][/quote]Bonus have all ways been offered when working out side normal working conditions. Like they may not strike but they could keep to the contracted working conditions, which would be normal services with normal number of carrages.[/p][/quote]In the business it's called "working to rule", in my line of business we never do anything else or we lose our jobs. Never asked for a bonus, prefer a little extra on the basic pay. OSPREYSAINT

8:14pm Thu 19 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

kissmya%% wrote:
Give the guards a pay rise for sticking a dead end , unskilled job !
Do you mean the Train Managers? more Commercial that Safety minded these days.
[quote][p][bold]kissmya%%[/bold] wrote: Give the guards a pay rise for sticking a dead end , unskilled job ![/p][/quote]Do you mean the Train Managers? more Commercial that Safety minded these days. OSPREYSAINT

10:24pm Thu 19 Jul 12

IronLady2010 says...

I don't see why they wanted more money anyway. They are set a job to do, but just because of an event, it doesn't change their job role. They'll still drive trains from A to B check tickets etc. Why the bonus or am I missing something?

I don't even see the need for an increase in pay for the Olympic period, they are still doing the same job surely? The only difference is they'll have more staff to help making their jobs easier?
I don't see why they wanted more money anyway. They are set a job to do, but just because of an event, it doesn't change their job role. They'll still drive trains from A to B check tickets etc. Why the bonus or am I missing something? I don't even see the need for an increase in pay for the Olympic period, they are still doing the same job surely? The only difference is they'll have more staff to help making their jobs easier? IronLady2010

10:57pm Thu 19 Jul 12

sarfhamton says...

Thomas the Tank and Ivor the Engine never went on strike
Thomas the Tank and Ivor the Engine never went on strike sarfhamton

11:43pm Thu 19 Jul 12

southy says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
I don't see why they wanted more money anyway. They are set a job to do, but just because of an event, it doesn't change their job role. They'll still drive trains from A to B check tickets etc. Why the bonus or am I missing something?

I don't even see the need for an increase in pay for the Olympic period, they are still doing the same job surely? The only difference is they'll have more staff to help making their jobs easier?
Theres a lot your missing, if the drivers keep to there contract come the olympics london workers who commute to london will never be there on time as the trains will be full, Day time trains is limited to how many trains can run a day, adding carrages will result in breaking the working contract, and drivers have the right to move the the train.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: I don't see why they wanted more money anyway. They are set a job to do, but just because of an event, it doesn't change their job role. They'll still drive trains from A to B check tickets etc. Why the bonus or am I missing something? I don't even see the need for an increase in pay for the Olympic period, they are still doing the same job surely? The only difference is they'll have more staff to help making their jobs easier?[/p][/quote]Theres a lot your missing, if the drivers keep to there contract come the olympics london workers who commute to london will never be there on time as the trains will be full, Day time trains is limited to how many trains can run a day, adding carrages will result in breaking the working contract, and drivers have the right to move the the train. southy

12:23am Fri 20 Jul 12

Torchie1 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.
Bonus have all ways been offered when working out side normal working conditions.
Like they may not strike but they could keep to the contracted working conditions, which would be normal services with normal number of carrages.
In the business it's called "working to rule", in my line of business we never do anything else or we lose our jobs. Never asked for a bonus, prefer a little extra on the basic pay.
Most people are too short sighted to realise that the value of a modest amount on the basic salary pays a much better dividend on the pension than the bonus that is a 'one off' and attracts no other benefits once it's been blown.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.[/p][/quote]Bonus have all ways been offered when working out side normal working conditions. Like they may not strike but they could keep to the contracted working conditions, which would be normal services with normal number of carrages.[/p][/quote]In the business it's called "working to rule", in my line of business we never do anything else or we lose our jobs. Never asked for a bonus, prefer a little extra on the basic pay.[/p][/quote]Most people are too short sighted to realise that the value of a modest amount on the basic salary pays a much better dividend on the pension than the bonus that is a 'one off' and attracts no other benefits once it's been blown. Torchie1

10:03am Fri 20 Jul 12

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.
Bonus have all ways been offered when working out side normal working conditions.
Like they may not strike but they could keep to the contracted working conditions, which would be normal services with normal number of carrages.
In the business it's called "working to rule", in my line of business we never do anything else or we lose our jobs. Never asked for a bonus, prefer a little extra on the basic pay.
Most people are too short sighted to realise that the value of a modest amount on the basic salary pays a much better dividend on the pension than the bonus that is a 'one off' and attracts no other benefits once it's been blown.
Bonus are for when there a need to go out side the normal contract conditions.

Bit like when I work in the Docks the last time, was need to work right over the xmas period, but the bosses at first was not willing to give any thing extra for doing so, so we all refuse to work, its not compulsory on any work contract to work National Holidays and Bank Holidays unless its a requirement for public safety even if it says you must work on those days if ask. in the end we got xmas day off and 3x pay plus a day in lue for working boxing day, and the company still made a big profit on top of it out goings.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.[/p][/quote]Bonus have all ways been offered when working out side normal working conditions. Like they may not strike but they could keep to the contracted working conditions, which would be normal services with normal number of carrages.[/p][/quote]In the business it's called "working to rule", in my line of business we never do anything else or we lose our jobs. Never asked for a bonus, prefer a little extra on the basic pay.[/p][/quote]Most people are too short sighted to realise that the value of a modest amount on the basic salary pays a much better dividend on the pension than the bonus that is a 'one off' and attracts no other benefits once it's been blown.[/p][/quote]Bonus are for when there a need to go out side the normal contract conditions. Bit like when I work in the Docks the last time, was need to work right over the xmas period, but the bosses at first was not willing to give any thing extra for doing so, so we all refuse to work, its not compulsory on any work contract to work National Holidays and Bank Holidays unless its a requirement for public safety even if it says you must work on those days if ask. in the end we got xmas day off and 3x pay plus a day in lue for working boxing day, and the company still made a big profit on top of it out goings. southy

12:06pm Fri 20 Jul 12

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.
Bonus have all ways been offered when working out side normal working conditions.
Like they may not strike but they could keep to the contracted working conditions, which would be normal services with normal number of carrages.
In the business it's called "working to rule", in my line of business we never do anything else or we lose our jobs. Never asked for a bonus, prefer a little extra on the basic pay.
Most people are too short sighted to realise that the value of a modest amount on the basic salary pays a much better dividend on the pension than the bonus that is a 'one off' and attracts no other benefits once it's been blown.
Bonus are for when there a need to go out side the normal contract conditions.

Bit like when I work in the Docks the last time, was need to work right over the xmas period, but the bosses at first was not willing to give any thing extra for doing so, so we all refuse to work, its not compulsory on any work contract to work National Holidays and Bank Holidays unless its a requirement for public safety even if it says you must work on those days if ask. in the end we got xmas day off and 3x pay plus a day in lue for working boxing day, and the company still made a big profit on top of it out goings.
Very interesting stuff but once you'd blown the money, all of the benefit had gone whereas if you'd incorporated a little extra on the basic salary for 'flexibility' you would reap the rewards when you became of pensionable age. Naturally your focus would be on the 'bosses' trying to rip you off over the Bank Holiday payments but the real saving to the company is all of the years that it didn't have to pay the much smaller increase on the basic plus the extra pension and NI costs which would be far more than the 'one-off' bonus. No Shop Steward would ever be able to sell this better deal so you stick with your 'bonus' which everyone on both sides of the table prefers.Very few people in the UK see beyond the immediate and then go on to complain about a frugal existence in old age while berating those who did look in to the future and try to provide for it.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.[/p][/quote]Bonus have all ways been offered when working out side normal working conditions. Like they may not strike but they could keep to the contracted working conditions, which would be normal services with normal number of carrages.[/p][/quote]In the business it's called "working to rule", in my line of business we never do anything else or we lose our jobs. Never asked for a bonus, prefer a little extra on the basic pay.[/p][/quote]Most people are too short sighted to realise that the value of a modest amount on the basic salary pays a much better dividend on the pension than the bonus that is a 'one off' and attracts no other benefits once it's been blown.[/p][/quote]Bonus are for when there a need to go out side the normal contract conditions. Bit like when I work in the Docks the last time, was need to work right over the xmas period, but the bosses at first was not willing to give any thing extra for doing so, so we all refuse to work, its not compulsory on any work contract to work National Holidays and Bank Holidays unless its a requirement for public safety even if it says you must work on those days if ask. in the end we got xmas day off and 3x pay plus a day in lue for working boxing day, and the company still made a big profit on top of it out goings.[/p][/quote]Very interesting stuff but once you'd blown the money, all of the benefit had gone whereas if you'd incorporated a little extra on the basic salary for 'flexibility' you would reap the rewards when you became of pensionable age. Naturally your focus would be on the 'bosses' trying to rip you off over the Bank Holiday payments but the real saving to the company is all of the years that it didn't have to pay the much smaller increase on the basic plus the extra pension and NI costs which would be far more than the 'one-off' bonus. No Shop Steward would ever be able to sell this better deal so you stick with your 'bonus' which everyone on both sides of the table prefers.Very few people in the UK see beyond the immediate and then go on to complain about a frugal existence in old age while berating those who did look in to the future and try to provide for it. Torchie1

1:25pm Fri 20 Jul 12

ohec says...

Saintade wrote:
Someone somewhere should have the power to sack anyone who even contemplates striking during or before the Olympics. This is about to be a defining moment in our country of which we should all be proud and anyone resorting to spoiler tactics for financial gain whilst holding the Olympics to ransom should be instantly dismissed from their employment imo.
Proud are you joking i am ashamed that the Olympics has brought so much destruction / disruption and shame on our country we are and will show to the rest of the world what a fine mess we can make of anything so you might be proud to be embarrassed but i am not. I used to be very proud of Great Britain but not any longer not only have we gone down the pan but people keep flushing it as well. How you or anybody else can claim to be proud of such a monumental c*ck up i don't know when our armed forces are being treated in the way they are with no facilities for basic living, the only thing you say that i will agree with is when you describe it as a defining moment but not a defining moment to be proud of. And we still have a week to go before the farce even starts, and many years ahead to pay for it all.
[quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: Someone somewhere should have the power to sack anyone who even contemplates striking during or before the Olympics. This is about to be a defining moment in our country of which we should all be proud and anyone resorting to spoiler tactics for financial gain whilst holding the Olympics to ransom should be instantly dismissed from their employment imo.[/p][/quote]Proud are you joking i am ashamed that the Olympics has brought so much destruction / disruption and shame on our country we are and will show to the rest of the world what a fine mess we can make of anything so you might be proud to be embarrassed but i am not. I used to be very proud of Great Britain but not any longer not only have we gone down the pan but people keep flushing it as well. How you or anybody else can claim to be proud of such a monumental c*ck up i don't know when our armed forces are being treated in the way they are with no facilities for basic living, the only thing you say that i will agree with is when you describe it as a defining moment but not a defining moment to be proud of. And we still have a week to go before the farce even starts, and many years ahead to pay for it all. ohec

4:36pm Fri 20 Jul 12

desirodave says...

southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.
Bonus have all ways been offered when working out side normal working conditions.
Like they may not strike but they could keep to the contracted working conditions, which would be normal services with normal number of carrages.
The train-crew have no control over how many coaches are on a service. As long as its traction they know - they work it.

I should know being ex Train crew
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.[/p][/quote]Bonus have all ways been offered when working out side normal working conditions. Like they may not strike but they could keep to the contracted working conditions, which would be normal services with normal number of carrages.[/p][/quote]The train-crew have no control over how many coaches are on a service. As long as its traction they know - they work it. I should know being ex Train crew desirodave

6:43pm Fri 20 Jul 12

The Wickham Man says...

southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.
Bonus have all ways been offered when working out side normal working conditions.
Like they may not strike but they could keep to the contracted working conditions, which would be normal services with normal number of carrages.
So using that logic they should be paid less when working with shorter trains at weekends?
Moron.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.[/p][/quote]Bonus have all ways been offered when working out side normal working conditions. Like they may not strike but they could keep to the contracted working conditions, which would be normal services with normal number of carrages.[/p][/quote]So using that logic they should be paid less when working with shorter trains at weekends? Moron. The Wickham Man

8:30pm Fri 20 Jul 12

IronLady2010 says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.
Bonus have all ways been offered when working out side normal working conditions.
Like they may not strike but they could keep to the contracted working conditions, which would be normal services with normal number of carrages.
So using that logic they should be paid less when working with shorter trains at weekends?
Moron.
Please don't reply with 'logic' it always opens up a can of worms.

Surely a Train driver is paid to drive, no matter wether the train is full or empty. The conductors can only inspect so many tickets during a shift, so if they have an increase in passengers, they just don't get to inspect so many, meaning a potential loss to the Company, but not the worker.
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.[/p][/quote]Bonus have all ways been offered when working out side normal working conditions. Like they may not strike but they could keep to the contracted working conditions, which would be normal services with normal number of carrages.[/p][/quote]So using that logic they should be paid less when working with shorter trains at weekends? Moron.[/p][/quote]Please don't reply with 'logic' it always opens up a can of worms. Surely a Train driver is paid to drive, no matter wether the train is full or empty. The conductors can only inspect so many tickets during a shift, so if they have an increase in passengers, they just don't get to inspect so many, meaning a potential loss to the Company, but not the worker. IronLady2010

9:02pm Fri 20 Jul 12

Georgem says...

kissmya%% wrote:
Give the guards a pay rise for sticking a dead end , unskilled job !
Unskilled? You think YOU could steer trains round corners at high speed, and still keep them on those narrow rails?
[quote][p][bold]kissmya%%[/bold] wrote: Give the guards a pay rise for sticking a dead end , unskilled job ![/p][/quote]Unskilled? You think YOU could steer trains round corners at high speed, and still keep them on those narrow rails? Georgem

9:44pm Fri 20 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Georgem wrote:
kissmya%% wrote:
Give the guards a pay rise for sticking a dead end , unskilled job !
Unskilled? You think YOU could steer trains round corners at high speed, and still keep them on those narrow rails?
Guards don't steer the trains, that's the drivers job, but actually he has to go where the signalman sends him!
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kissmya%%[/bold] wrote: Give the guards a pay rise for sticking a dead end , unskilled job ![/p][/quote]Unskilled? You think YOU could steer trains round corners at high speed, and still keep them on those narrow rails?[/p][/quote]Guards don't steer the trains, that's the drivers job, but actually he has to go where the signalman sends him! OSPREYSAINT

9:46pm Fri 20 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

ohec wrote:
Saintade wrote:
Someone somewhere should have the power to sack anyone who even contemplates striking during or before the Olympics. This is about to be a defining moment in our country of which we should all be proud and anyone resorting to spoiler tactics for financial gain whilst holding the Olympics to ransom should be instantly dismissed from their employment imo.
Proud are you joking i am ashamed that the Olympics has brought so much destruction / disruption and shame on our country we are and will show to the rest of the world what a fine mess we can make of anything so you might be proud to be embarrassed but i am not. I used to be very proud of Great Britain but not any longer not only have we gone down the pan but people keep flushing it as well. How you or anybody else can claim to be proud of such a monumental c*ck up i don't know when our armed forces are being treated in the way they are with no facilities for basic living, the only thing you say that i will agree with is when you describe it as a defining moment but not a defining moment to be proud of. And we still have a week to go before the farce even starts, and many years ahead to pay for it all.
Well it has brought £8m to Hampshires coffers so not all bad then?
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: Someone somewhere should have the power to sack anyone who even contemplates striking during or before the Olympics. This is about to be a defining moment in our country of which we should all be proud and anyone resorting to spoiler tactics for financial gain whilst holding the Olympics to ransom should be instantly dismissed from their employment imo.[/p][/quote]Proud are you joking i am ashamed that the Olympics has brought so much destruction / disruption and shame on our country we are and will show to the rest of the world what a fine mess we can make of anything so you might be proud to be embarrassed but i am not. I used to be very proud of Great Britain but not any longer not only have we gone down the pan but people keep flushing it as well. How you or anybody else can claim to be proud of such a monumental c*ck up i don't know when our armed forces are being treated in the way they are with no facilities for basic living, the only thing you say that i will agree with is when you describe it as a defining moment but not a defining moment to be proud of. And we still have a week to go before the farce even starts, and many years ahead to pay for it all.[/p][/quote]Well it has brought £8m to Hampshires coffers so not all bad then? OSPREYSAINT

9:48pm Fri 20 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

sarfhamton wrote:
Thomas the Tank and Ivor the Engine never went on strike
You haven't researched this very well have you, I suggest you reread the books and come back and tell me that there were never any disputes on Sodor.
[quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Thomas the Tank and Ivor the Engine never went on strike[/p][/quote]You haven't researched this very well have you, I suggest you reread the books and come back and tell me that there were never any disputes on Sodor. OSPREYSAINT

9:56pm Fri 20 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
I don't see why they wanted more money anyway. They are set a job to do, but just because of an event, it doesn't change their job role. They'll still drive trains from A to B check tickets etc. Why the bonus or am I missing something?

I don't even see the need for an increase in pay for the Olympic period, they are still doing the same job surely? The only difference is they'll have more staff to help making their jobs easier?
It's too complex to explain but take it from one knows about these things there many extra duties to be performed when events of this magnitude have to be catered for. The trouble is your simplistic opinion is typical of people who are ignorant of what is actually needed to run a safe railway, because it has been reasonably good, it is common to take things for granted. Only the critics come rearing up when something does go wrong, which of course it will because there is a human element involved. Having more staff isn't that easy, it takes many weeks to train even the lowest employee, it's not like a Security Company that can employ anyone to do the work is it?
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: I don't see why they wanted more money anyway. They are set a job to do, but just because of an event, it doesn't change their job role. They'll still drive trains from A to B check tickets etc. Why the bonus or am I missing something? I don't even see the need for an increase in pay for the Olympic period, they are still doing the same job surely? The only difference is they'll have more staff to help making their jobs easier?[/p][/quote]It's too complex to explain but take it from one knows about these things there many extra duties to be performed when events of this magnitude have to be catered for. The trouble is your simplistic opinion is typical of people who are ignorant of what is actually needed to run a safe railway, because it has been reasonably good, it is common to take things for granted. Only the critics come rearing up when something does go wrong, which of course it will because there is a human element involved. Having more staff isn't that easy, it takes many weeks to train even the lowest employee, it's not like a Security Company that can employ anyone to do the work is it? OSPREYSAINT

9:59pm Fri 20 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

ohec wrote:
Saintade wrote:
Someone somewhere should have the power to sack anyone who even contemplates striking during or before the Olympics. This is about to be a defining moment in our country of which we should all be proud and anyone resorting to spoiler tactics for financial gain whilst holding the Olympics to ransom should be instantly dismissed from their employment imo.
Proud are you joking i am ashamed that the Olympics has brought so much destruction / disruption and shame on our country we are and will show to the rest of the world what a fine mess we can make of anything so you might be proud to be embarrassed but i am not. I used to be very proud of Great Britain but not any longer not only have we gone down the pan but people keep flushing it as well. How you or anybody else can claim to be proud of such a monumental c*ck up i don't know when our armed forces are being treated in the way they are with no facilities for basic living, the only thing you say that i will agree with is when you describe it as a defining moment but not a defining moment to be proud of. And we still have a week to go before the farce even starts, and many years ahead to pay for it all.
It is your opinion and fair enough you are welcome to it, my opinion is that you are just sad. Always look on the bright side of life, de do, de do, de dum de dum de do.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintade[/bold] wrote: Someone somewhere should have the power to sack anyone who even contemplates striking during or before the Olympics. This is about to be a defining moment in our country of which we should all be proud and anyone resorting to spoiler tactics for financial gain whilst holding the Olympics to ransom should be instantly dismissed from their employment imo.[/p][/quote]Proud are you joking i am ashamed that the Olympics has brought so much destruction / disruption and shame on our country we are and will show to the rest of the world what a fine mess we can make of anything so you might be proud to be embarrassed but i am not. I used to be very proud of Great Britain but not any longer not only have we gone down the pan but people keep flushing it as well. How you or anybody else can claim to be proud of such a monumental c*ck up i don't know when our armed forces are being treated in the way they are with no facilities for basic living, the only thing you say that i will agree with is when you describe it as a defining moment but not a defining moment to be proud of. And we still have a week to go before the farce even starts, and many years ahead to pay for it all.[/p][/quote]It is your opinion and fair enough you are welcome to it, my opinion is that you are just sad. Always look on the bright side of life, de do, de do, de dum de dum de do. OSPREYSAINT

10:04pm Fri 20 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.
Bonus have all ways been offered when working out side normal working conditions.
Like they may not strike but they could keep to the contracted working conditions, which would be normal services with normal number of carrages.
So using that logic they should be paid less when working with shorter trains at weekends?
Moron.
OK you have a point to make but leave out the personal insults please, not very nice and totally pointless to the thread, even if it is true.
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.[/p][/quote]Bonus have all ways been offered when working out side normal working conditions. Like they may not strike but they could keep to the contracted working conditions, which would be normal services with normal number of carrages.[/p][/quote]So using that logic they should be paid less when working with shorter trains at weekends? Moron.[/p][/quote]OK you have a point to make but leave out the personal insults please, not very nice and totally pointless to the thread, even if it is true. OSPREYSAINT

10:07pm Fri 20 Jul 12

IronLady2010 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
I don't see why they wanted more money anyway. They are set a job to do, but just because of an event, it doesn't change their job role. They'll still drive trains from A to B check tickets etc. Why the bonus or am I missing something?

I don't even see the need for an increase in pay for the Olympic period, they are still doing the same job surely? The only difference is they'll have more staff to help making their jobs easier?
It's too complex to explain but take it from one knows about these things there many extra duties to be performed when events of this magnitude have to be catered for. The trouble is your simplistic opinion is typical of people who are ignorant of what is actually needed to run a safe railway, because it has been reasonably good, it is common to take things for granted. Only the critics come rearing up when something does go wrong, which of course it will because there is a human element involved. Having more staff isn't that easy, it takes many weeks to train even the lowest employee, it's not like a Security Company that can employ anyone to do the work is it?
What extra duties? Drivers are properly trained to drive from A to B, now their train may be full or empty, but they still drive it.

I'm no train expert and am not pretending to be, but a train generally runs between point A B C D etc the driver just chugs along.

Am I missing something that the driver will do extra during the Olympics? Will the driver perform a cartwheel or something?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: I don't see why they wanted more money anyway. They are set a job to do, but just because of an event, it doesn't change their job role. They'll still drive trains from A to B check tickets etc. Why the bonus or am I missing something? I don't even see the need for an increase in pay for the Olympic period, they are still doing the same job surely? The only difference is they'll have more staff to help making their jobs easier?[/p][/quote]It's too complex to explain but take it from one knows about these things there many extra duties to be performed when events of this magnitude have to be catered for. The trouble is your simplistic opinion is typical of people who are ignorant of what is actually needed to run a safe railway, because it has been reasonably good, it is common to take things for granted. Only the critics come rearing up when something does go wrong, which of course it will because there is a human element involved. Having more staff isn't that easy, it takes many weeks to train even the lowest employee, it's not like a Security Company that can employ anyone to do the work is it?[/p][/quote]What extra duties? Drivers are properly trained to drive from A to B, now their train may be full or empty, but they still drive it. I'm no train expert and am not pretending to be, but a train generally runs between point A B C D etc the driver just chugs along. Am I missing something that the driver will do extra during the Olympics? Will the driver perform a cartwheel or something? IronLady2010

10:12pm Fri 20 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.
Bonus have all ways been offered when working out side normal working conditions.
Like they may not strike but they could keep to the contracted working conditions, which would be normal services with normal number of carrages.
So using that logic they should be paid less when working with shorter trains at weekends?
Moron.
Please don't reply with 'logic' it always opens up a can of worms.

Surely a Train driver is paid to drive, no matter wether the train is full or empty. The conductors can only inspect so many tickets during a shift, so if they have an increase in passengers, they just don't get to inspect so many, meaning a potential loss to the Company, but not the worker.
The Grammar and Spelling Police are getting fed up with these poor spells of whether, hope they improve next week.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.[/p][/quote]Bonus have all ways been offered when working out side normal working conditions. Like they may not strike but they could keep to the contracted working conditions, which would be normal services with normal number of carrages.[/p][/quote]So using that logic they should be paid less when working with shorter trains at weekends? Moron.[/p][/quote]Please don't reply with 'logic' it always opens up a can of worms. Surely a Train driver is paid to drive, no matter wether the train is full or empty. The conductors can only inspect so many tickets during a shift, so if they have an increase in passengers, they just don't get to inspect so many, meaning a potential loss to the Company, but not the worker.[/p][/quote]The Grammar and Spelling Police are getting fed up with these poor spells of whether, hope they improve next week. OSPREYSAINT

10:14pm Fri 20 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
I don't see why they wanted more money anyway. They are set a job to do, but just because of an event, it doesn't change their job role. They'll still drive trains from A to B check tickets etc. Why the bonus or am I missing something?

I don't even see the need for an increase in pay for the Olympic period, they are still doing the same job surely? The only difference is they'll have more staff to help making their jobs easier?
It's too complex to explain but take it from one knows about these things there many extra duties to be performed when events of this magnitude have to be catered for. The trouble is your simplistic opinion is typical of people who are ignorant of what is actually needed to run a safe railway, because it has been reasonably good, it is common to take things for granted. Only the critics come rearing up when something does go wrong, which of course it will because there is a human element involved. Having more staff isn't that easy, it takes many weeks to train even the lowest employee, it's not like a Security Company that can employ anyone to do the work is it?
What extra duties? Drivers are properly trained to drive from A to B, now their train may be full or empty, but they still drive it.

I'm no train expert and am not pretending to be, but a train generally runs between point A B C D etc the driver just chugs along.

Am I missing something that the driver will do extra during the Olympics? Will the driver perform a cartwheel or something?
As I said ignorance is bliss, can't expect a woman to understand the complex nature of these things, especially a Tory.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: I don't see why they wanted more money anyway. They are set a job to do, but just because of an event, it doesn't change their job role. They'll still drive trains from A to B check tickets etc. Why the bonus or am I missing something? I don't even see the need for an increase in pay for the Olympic period, they are still doing the same job surely? The only difference is they'll have more staff to help making their jobs easier?[/p][/quote]It's too complex to explain but take it from one knows about these things there many extra duties to be performed when events of this magnitude have to be catered for. The trouble is your simplistic opinion is typical of people who are ignorant of what is actually needed to run a safe railway, because it has been reasonably good, it is common to take things for granted. Only the critics come rearing up when something does go wrong, which of course it will because there is a human element involved. Having more staff isn't that easy, it takes many weeks to train even the lowest employee, it's not like a Security Company that can employ anyone to do the work is it?[/p][/quote]What extra duties? Drivers are properly trained to drive from A to B, now their train may be full or empty, but they still drive it. I'm no train expert and am not pretending to be, but a train generally runs between point A B C D etc the driver just chugs along. Am I missing something that the driver will do extra during the Olympics? Will the driver perform a cartwheel or something?[/p][/quote]As I said ignorance is bliss, can't expect a woman to understand the complex nature of these things, especially a Tory. OSPREYSAINT

10:22pm Fri 20 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.
Bonus have all ways been offered when working out side normal working conditions.
Like they may not strike but they could keep to the contracted working conditions, which would be normal services with normal number of carrages.
So using that logic they should be paid less when working with shorter trains at weekends?
Moron.
OK you have a point to make but leave out the personal insults please, not very nice and totally pointless to the thread, even if it is true.
I ignored my own advice, just called someone a Tory!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: In the old days, a bonus was a reward for doing a job better than expected and was used as an incentive to try to get people to work a little bit harder. Now it seems there is a guaranteed bonus that is smaller depending on how you perform with a minimum amount guaranteed no matter how badly you perform. No incentive at all. It should never be a cause for an industrial dispute that justs amounts to greed using bullying tactics.[/p][/quote]Bonus have all ways been offered when working out side normal working conditions. Like they may not strike but they could keep to the contracted working conditions, which would be normal services with normal number of carrages.[/p][/quote]So using that logic they should be paid less when working with shorter trains at weekends? Moron.[/p][/quote]OK you have a point to make but leave out the personal insults please, not very nice and totally pointless to the thread, even if it is true.[/p][/quote]I ignored my own advice, just called someone a Tory! OSPREYSAINT

5:55am Sat 21 Jul 12

100%HANTSBOY says...

I thought most Railway Stations have these gates where if you have no/invalid ticket you can't exit the station...so therefore it will be the station staff that will be extremely busy during the Games, no need for extra on-board "revenue protection officers" (guards).
Most Network Rail Staff I know were told months ago that there would be no annual leave granted in the run up to,and during the Games,they have been given a temporary pay rise to compensate for this inconvenience.
Have the train crews been given the same? If not,then I don't blame them for being disgruntled,imagine not being able to take any leave through the summer just for the sake of a couple of weeks of spear throwing!
I thought most Railway Stations have these gates where if you have no/invalid ticket you can't exit the station...so therefore it will be the station staff that will be extremely busy during the Games, no need for extra on-board "revenue protection officers" (guards). Most Network Rail Staff I know were told months ago that there would be no annual leave granted in the run up to,and during the Games,they have been given a temporary pay rise to compensate for this inconvenience. Have the train crews been given the same? If not,then I don't blame them for being disgruntled,imagine not being able to take any leave through the summer just for the sake of a couple of weeks of spear throwing! 100%HANTSBOY

7:42am Sat 21 Jul 12

The Wickham Man says...

We know this was a politically motivated strike call - Bob Crow and Mick Whelan can claim all they like about members victimisation, erosion of working practices etc etc but that is a bit like North Korea claiming its citizens are the happiest in the world. There has been a coordinated attempt by transport unions to cause trouble during the Olympics which has largely failed because most train drivers are well informed people who understand a lot more about the business they are in than Crow and Whelan would like.
We know this was a politically motivated strike call - Bob Crow and Mick Whelan can claim all they like about members victimisation, erosion of working practices etc etc but that is a bit like North Korea claiming its citizens are the happiest in the world. There has been a coordinated attempt by transport unions to cause trouble during the Olympics which has largely failed because most train drivers are well informed people who understand a lot more about the business they are in than Crow and Whelan would like. The Wickham Man

11:40am Sat 21 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
We know this was a politically motivated strike call - Bob Crow and Mick Whelan can claim all they like about members victimisation, erosion of working practices etc etc but that is a bit like North Korea claiming its citizens are the happiest in the world. There has been a coordinated attempt by transport unions to cause trouble during the Olympics which has largely failed because most train drivers are well informed people who understand a lot more about the business they are in than Crow and Whelan would like.
Who told you that it was politically motivated? Which Political branch in particular and what is the ultimate motive? Seems to be a bit blinkered in this approach. I have seen no evidence of a co-ordinated attempt to disrupt or cause trouble, apart from the odd glich, most of the problems have been ironed out through sensible negotiation by both sides, there will always be the odd problem where intransigence by one side or the other means they don't meet eye to eye, but it is not all one sided. I say your anti-Union stance is getting in the way of reality. IMO
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: We know this was a politically motivated strike call - Bob Crow and Mick Whelan can claim all they like about members victimisation, erosion of working practices etc etc but that is a bit like North Korea claiming its citizens are the happiest in the world. There has been a coordinated attempt by transport unions to cause trouble during the Olympics which has largely failed because most train drivers are well informed people who understand a lot more about the business they are in than Crow and Whelan would like.[/p][/quote]Who told you that it was politically motivated? Which Political branch in particular and what is the ultimate motive? Seems to be a bit blinkered in this approach. I have seen no evidence of a co-ordinated attempt to disrupt or cause trouble, apart from the odd glich, most of the problems have been ironed out through sensible negotiation by both sides, there will always be the odd problem where intransigence by one side or the other means they don't meet eye to eye, but it is not all one sided. I say your anti-Union stance is getting in the way of reality. IMO OSPREYSAINT

9:30am Sun 22 Jul 12

The Wickham Man says...

How many url references to rail union disputes specifically timed to disrupt olympic travel would you like me to post Osprey? If you want I can post quite a few which will be embarrassing to anyone trying to deny a deliberately targetted link. Let's start the ball rolling anyway :- https://www.google.c
o.uk/#hl=en&sclient=
psy-ab&q=RMT+ASLEF+s
trike+olympics+&oq=R
MT+ASLEF+strike+olym
pics+&gs_l=hp.3...0.
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0.0..0.0...0.0...1c.
rFoMEYlW7Bc&pbx=1&ba
v=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.
r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=90fe
06c707c49d57&biw=102
7&bih=479
......ready when you are.
How many url references to rail union disputes specifically timed to disrupt olympic travel would you like me to post Osprey? If you want I can post quite a few which will be embarrassing to anyone trying to deny a deliberately targetted link. Let's start the ball rolling anyway :- https://www.google.c o.uk/#hl=en&sclient= psy-ab&q=RMT+ASLEF+s trike+olympics+&oq=R MT+ASLEF+strike+olym pics+&gs_l=hp.3...0. 0.2.354.0.0.0.0.0.0. 0.0..0.0...0.0...1c. rFoMEYlW7Bc&pbx=1&ba v=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw. r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=90fe 06c707c49d57&biw=102 7&bih=479 ......ready when you are. The Wickham Man

9:39pm Sun 22 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
How many url references to rail union disputes specifically timed to disrupt olympic travel would you like me to post Osprey? If you want I can post quite a few which will be embarrassing to anyone trying to deny a deliberately targetted link. Let's start the ball rolling anyway :- https://www.google.c

o.uk/#hl=en&scli
ent=
psy-ab&q=RMT+ASL
EF+s
trike+olympics+&
oq=R
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pics+&gs_l=hp.3.
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0.2.354.0.0.0.0.0.0.

0.0..0.0...0.0...1c.

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1&ba
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r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=
90fe
06c707c49d57&biw
=102
7&bih=479
......ready when you are.
All of them if have the time, but sadly I can't be asked to read them.
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: How many url references to rail union disputes specifically timed to disrupt olympic travel would you like me to post Osprey? If you want I can post quite a few which will be embarrassing to anyone trying to deny a deliberately targetted link. Let's start the ball rolling anyway :- https://www.google.c o.uk/#hl=en&scli ent= psy-ab&q=RMT+ASL EF+s trike+olympics+& oq=R MT+ASLEF+strike+olym pics+&gs_l=hp.3. ..0. 0.2.354.0.0.0.0.0.0. 0.0..0.0...0.0...1c. rFoMEYlW7Bc&pbx= 1&ba v=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw. r_qf.,cf.osb&fp= 90fe 06c707c49d57&biw =102 7&bih=479 ......ready when you are.[/p][/quote]All of them if have the time, but sadly I can't be asked to read them. OSPREYSAINT

9:40pm Sun 22 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
We know this was a politically motivated strike call - Bob Crow and Mick Whelan can claim all they like about members victimisation, erosion of working practices etc etc but that is a bit like North Korea claiming its citizens are the happiest in the world. There has been a coordinated attempt by transport unions to cause trouble during the Olympics which has largely failed because most train drivers are well informed people who understand a lot more about the business they are in than Crow and Whelan would like.
We?
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: We know this was a politically motivated strike call - Bob Crow and Mick Whelan can claim all they like about members victimisation, erosion of working practices etc etc but that is a bit like North Korea claiming its citizens are the happiest in the world. There has been a coordinated attempt by transport unions to cause trouble during the Olympics which has largely failed because most train drivers are well informed people who understand a lot more about the business they are in than Crow and Whelan would like.[/p][/quote]We? OSPREYSAINT

11:39pm Sun 22 Jul 12

The Wickham Man says...

next......http://www
.guardian.co.uk/uk/2
012/jun/15/london-bu
s-drivers-olympics-b
onus-strike.
next......http://www .guardian.co.uk/uk/2 012/jun/15/london-bu s-drivers-olympics-b onus-strike. The Wickham Man

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