Ordnance Survey payments anger (From Daily Echo)

So what? Other companies hand out bonuses on a yearly basis for performance related activities.

Have the union bosses also declined any pay rises or bonuses to "to align themselves with their staff in terms of how we are all facing up to austerity and pay freezes.” I doubt it...

__KTF__ wrote:
So what? Other companies hand out bonuses on a yearly basis for performance related activities.

Have the union bosses also declined any pay rises or bonuses to "to align themselves with their staff in terms of how we are all facing up to austerity and pay freezes.” I doubt it...

Southy will be along in a minute to answer that but in case he doesn't;
Union members are all happy as long as they're sharing the wealth with everyone else.
Union leaders all work for minimum wage and are scrupulously honest .
Bosses deserve no more then the lowest paid worker.
Margaret Thatcher is evil
The world is square.

The treatment of the agency staff there is appalling.

Des Olated wrote:

__KTF__ wrote:
So what? Other companies hand out bonuses on a yearly basis for performance related activities.

Have the union bosses also declined any pay rises or bonuses to "to align themselves with their staff in terms of how we are all facing up to austerity and pay freezes.” I doubt it...

Southy will be along in a minute to answer that but in case he doesn't;
Union members are all happy as long as they're sharing the wealth with everyone else.
Union leaders all work for minimum wage and are scrupulously honest .
Bosses deserve no more then the lowest paid worker.
Margaret Thatcher is evil
The world is square.

You are talking about a private sector here, theses bonuses are paid Tax payers money.

30k a year aint a bad wedge to be fair

Des Olated said "The world is square."

If you say so, not that I think it is, but if you wish to believe that the world is square thats up to you, its your point of view of things.

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

__KTF__ wrote:
So what? Other companies hand out bonuses on a yearly basis for performance related activities.

Have the union bosses also declined any pay rises or bonuses to "to align themselves with their staff in terms of how we are all facing up to austerity and pay freezes.” I doubt it...

Southy will be along in a minute to answer that but in case he doesn't;
Union members are all happy as long as they're sharing the wealth with everyone else.
Union leaders all work for minimum wage and are scrupulously honest .
Bosses deserve no more then the lowest paid worker.
Margaret Thatcher is evil
The world is square.

You are talking about a private sector here, theses bonuses are paid Tax payers money.

Not talking about any specific sector. Presumably the bonuses here are contractual and are being paid because of achievement of business objectives?
How much profit did OS make?

southy wrote:
Des Olated said "The world is square."

If you say so, not that I think it is, but if you wish to believe that the world is square thats up to you, its your point of view of things.

.. well, it's just as likely that you would believe the world is square as some of the other things you have come out with in the last few years.

Des Olated wrote:

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

__KTF__ wrote:
So what? Other companies hand out bonuses on a yearly basis for performance related activities.

Have the union bosses also declined any pay rises or bonuses to "to align themselves with their staff in terms of how we are all facing up to austerity and pay freezes.” I doubt it...

Southy will be along in a minute to answer that but in case he doesn't;
Union members are all happy as long as they're sharing the wealth with everyone else.
Union leaders all work for minimum wage and are scrupulously honest .
Bosses deserve no more then the lowest paid worker.
Margaret Thatcher is evil
The world is square.

You are talking about a private sector here, theses bonuses are paid Tax payers money.

Not talking about any specific sector. Presumably the bonuses here are contractual and are being paid because of achievement of business objectives?
How much profit did OS make?

#If what I am hearing less then the year before.

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

__KTF__ wrote:
So what? Other companies hand out bonuses on a yearly basis for performance related activities.

Have the union bosses also declined any pay rises or bonuses to "to align themselves with their staff in terms of how we are all facing up to austerity and pay freezes.” I doubt it...

Southy will be along in a minute to answer that but in case he doesn't;
Union members are all happy as long as they're sharing the wealth with everyone else.
Union leaders all work for minimum wage and are scrupulously honest .
Bosses deserve no more then the lowest paid worker.
Margaret Thatcher is evil
The world is square.

You are talking about a private sector here, theses bonuses are paid Tax payers money.

Not talking about any specific sector. Presumably the bonuses here are contractual and are being paid because of achievement of business objectives?
How much profit did OS make?

#If what I am hearing less then the year before.

.. er, not so.

The last year for which details are available was 2010/11: -.
Revenue £129.4m; Profit £24.1m.

Previous year, 2009/10: -
Revenue £114.3m: Profit £16.7m

It's all there on their website southy, full account for the last 11 years.

Their year runs from 1 April. If you have the data for 2011/12 then please share it with us - including your sources.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

__KTF__ wrote:
So what? Other companies hand out bonuses on a yearly basis for performance related activities.

Have the union bosses also declined any pay rises or bonuses to "to align themselves with their staff in terms of how we are all facing up to austerity and pay freezes.” I doubt it...

Southy will be along in a minute to answer that but in case he doesn't;
Union members are all happy as long as they're sharing the wealth with everyone else.
Union leaders all work for minimum wage and are scrupulously honest .
Bosses deserve no more then the lowest paid worker.
Margaret Thatcher is evil
The world is square.

You are talking about a private sector here, theses bonuses are paid Tax payers money.

Not talking about any specific sector. Presumably the bonuses here are contractual and are being paid because of achievement of business objectives?
How much profit did OS make?

#If what I am hearing less then the year before.

.. er, not so.

The last year for which details are available was 2010/11: -.
Revenue £129.4m; Profit £24.1m.

Previous year, 2009/10: -
Revenue £114.3m: Profit £16.7m

It's all there on their website southy, full account for the last 11 years.

Their year runs from 1 April. If you have the data for 2011/12 then please share it with us - including your sources.

.. ooops, I stand corrected. The 2011/12 data is available: -

Revenue £141.8m: Profit £31.9m

So, both revenue and profits up - you were wrong to say 'less then the year before'.

freefinker wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

__KTF__ wrote:
So what? Other companies hand out bonuses on a yearly basis for performance related activities.

Have the union bosses also declined any pay rises or bonuses to "to align themselves with their staff in terms of how we are all facing up to austerity and pay freezes.” I doubt it...

Southy will be along in a minute to answer that but in case he doesn't;
Union members are all happy as long as they're sharing the wealth with everyone else.
Union leaders all work for minimum wage and are scrupulously honest .
Bosses deserve no more then the lowest paid worker.
Margaret Thatcher is evil
The world is square.

You are talking about a private sector here, theses bonuses are paid Tax payers money.

Not talking about any specific sector. Presumably the bonuses here are contractual and are being paid because of achievement of business objectives?
How much profit did OS make?

#If what I am hearing less then the year before.

.. er, not so.

The last year for which details are available was 2010/11: -.
Revenue £129.4m; Profit £24.1m.

Previous year, 2009/10: -
Revenue £114.3m: Profit £16.7m

It's all there on their website southy, full account for the last 11 years.

Their year runs from 1 April. If you have the data for 2011/12 then please share it with us - including your sources.

.. ooops, I stand corrected. The 2011/12 data is available: -

Revenue £141.8m: Profit £31.9m

So, both revenue and profits up - you were wrong to say 'less then the year before'.

The figures are meaningless! The OS has a captive business and it is not necessary to pay such high salaries and bonuses. You could get very capable people for half the salaries of the senior people..............
.......

George4th wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

__KTF__ wrote:
So what? Other companies hand out bonuses on a yearly basis for performance related activities.

Have the union bosses also declined any pay rises or bonuses to "to align themselves with their staff in terms of how we are all facing up to austerity and pay freezes.” I doubt it...

Southy will be along in a minute to answer that but in case he doesn't;
Union members are all happy as long as they're sharing the wealth with everyone else.
Union leaders all work for minimum wage and are scrupulously honest .
Bosses deserve no more then the lowest paid worker.
Margaret Thatcher is evil
The world is square.

You are talking about a private sector here, theses bonuses are paid Tax payers money.

Not talking about any specific sector. Presumably the bonuses here are contractual and are being paid because of achievement of business objectives?
How much profit did OS make?

#If what I am hearing less then the year before.

.. er, not so.

The last year for which details are available was 2010/11: -.
Revenue £129.4m; Profit £24.1m.

Previous year, 2009/10: -
Revenue £114.3m: Profit £16.7m

It's all there on their website southy, full account for the last 11 years.

Their year runs from 1 April. If you have the data for 2011/12 then please share it with us - including your sources.

.. ooops, I stand corrected. The 2011/12 data is available: -

Revenue £141.8m: Profit £31.9m

So, both revenue and profits up - you were wrong to say 'less then the year before'.

The figures are meaningless! The OS has a captive business and it is not necessary to pay such high salaries and bonuses. You could get very capable people for half the salaries of the senior people..............

.......

.. you may well have a very valid point. OS is a state monopoly.

However my motive for posting was to correct southy's inaccurate information.

In that respect the figures are not meaningless but prove, yet again, he is a purveyor of false rumour and dodgy information.

Oh well, let's just be grateful that at least we're not hearing the usual morale-deflating: "Don't panic folks, we're all in this together"...

freefinker wrote:

George4th wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

__KTF__ wrote: So what? Other companies hand out bonuses on a yearly basis for performance related activities. Have the union bosses also declined any pay rises or bonuses to "to align themselves with their staff in terms of how we are all facing up to austerity and pay freezes.” I doubt it...

Southy will be along in a minute to answer that but in case he doesn't; Union members are all happy as long as they're sharing the wealth with everyone else. Union leaders all work for minimum wage and are scrupulously honest . Bosses deserve no more then the lowest paid worker. Margaret Thatcher is evil The world is square.

You are talking about a private sector here, theses bonuses are paid Tax payers money.

Not talking about any specific sector. Presumably the bonuses here are contractual and are being paid because of achievement of business objectives? How much profit did OS make?

#If what I am hearing less then the year before.

.. er, not so. The last year for which details are available was 2010/11: -. Revenue £129.4m; Profit £24.1m. Previous year, 2009/10: - Revenue £114.3m: Profit £16.7m It's all there on their website southy, full account for the last 11 years. Their year runs from 1 April. If you have the data for 2011/12 then please share it with us - including your sources.

.. ooops, I stand corrected. The 2011/12 data is available: - Revenue £141.8m: Profit £31.9m So, both revenue and profits up - you were wrong to say 'less then the year before'.

The figures are meaningless! The OS has a captive business and it is not necessary to pay such high salaries and bonuses. You could get very capable people for half the salaries of the senior people.............. .......

.. you may well have a very valid point. OS is a state monopoly. However my motive for posting was to correct southy's inaccurate information. In that respect the figures are not meaningless but prove, yet again, he is a purveyor of false rumour and dodgy information.

Well, comrade, according to the latest re-education class pronouncement, it's official; he's now Shallow...er...Shado
w Minister for disinformation...

Scrutinizer wrote:

freefinker wrote:

George4th wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

__KTF__ wrote: So what? Other companies hand out bonuses on a yearly basis for performance related activities. Have the union bosses also declined any pay rises or bonuses to "to align themselves with their staff in terms of how we are all facing up to austerity and pay freezes.” I doubt it...

Southy will be along in a minute to answer that but in case he doesn't; Union members are all happy as long as they're sharing the wealth with everyone else. Union leaders all work for minimum wage and are scrupulously honest . Bosses deserve no more then the lowest paid worker. Margaret Thatcher is evil The world is square.

You are talking about a private sector here, theses bonuses are paid Tax payers money.

Not talking about any specific sector. Presumably the bonuses here are contractual and are being paid because of achievement of business objectives? How much profit did OS make?

#If what I am hearing less then the year before.

.. er, not so. The last year for which details are available was 2010/11: -. Revenue £129.4m; Profit £24.1m. Previous year, 2009/10: - Revenue £114.3m: Profit £16.7m It's all there on their website southy, full account for the last 11 years. Their year runs from 1 April. If you have the data for 2011/12 then please share it with us - including your sources.

.. ooops, I stand corrected. The 2011/12 data is available: - Revenue £141.8m: Profit £31.9m So, both revenue and profits up - you were wrong to say 'less then the year before'.

The figures are meaningless! The OS has a captive business and it is not necessary to pay such high salaries and bonuses. You could get very capable people for half the salaries of the senior people.............. .......

.. you may well have a very valid point. OS is a state monopoly. However my motive for posting was to correct southy's inaccurate information. In that respect the figures are not meaningless but prove, yet again, he is a purveyor of false rumour and dodgy information.

Well, comrade, according to the latest re-education class pronouncement, it's official; he's now Shallow...er...Shado

w Minister for disinformation...

There sales % has been going down in the last ten years, even Admirity charts sales have been going down, reason is because sites like google earth and others like it you can get maps on the internet for free, Decca now do a satilite potting system on screen doing away with needs of charts just 6 cds covering the whole world.

southy wrote:

Scrutinizer wrote:

freefinker wrote:

George4th wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

__KTF__ wrote: So what? Other companies hand out bonuses on a yearly basis for performance related activities. Have the union bosses also declined any pay rises or bonuses to "to align themselves with their staff in terms of how we are all facing up to austerity and pay freezes.” I doubt it...

Southy will be along in a minute to answer that but in case he doesn't; Union members are all happy as long as they're sharing the wealth with everyone else. Union leaders all work for minimum wage and are scrupulously honest . Bosses deserve no more then the lowest paid worker. Margaret Thatcher is evil The world is square.

You are talking about a private sector here, theses bonuses are paid Tax payers money.

Not talking about any specific sector. Presumably the bonuses here are contractual and are being paid because of achievement of business objectives? How much profit did OS make?

#If what I am hearing less then the year before.

.. er, not so. The last year for which details are available was 2010/11: -. Revenue £129.4m; Profit £24.1m. Previous year, 2009/10: - Revenue £114.3m: Profit £16.7m It's all there on their website southy, full account for the last 11 years. Their year runs from 1 April. If you have the data for 2011/12 then please share it with us - including your sources.

.. ooops, I stand corrected. The 2011/12 data is available: - Revenue £141.8m: Profit £31.9m So, both revenue and profits up - you were wrong to say 'less then the year before'.

The figures are meaningless! The OS has a captive business and it is not necessary to pay such high salaries and bonuses. You could get very capable people for half the salaries of the senior people.............. .......

.. you may well have a very valid point. OS is a state monopoly. However my motive for posting was to correct southy's inaccurate information. In that respect the figures are not meaningless but prove, yet again, he is a purveyor of false rumour and dodgy information.

Well, comrade, according to the latest re-education class pronouncement, it's official; he's now Shallow...er...Shado


w Minister for disinformation...

There sales % has been going down in the last ten years, even Admirity charts sales have been going down, reason is because sites like google earth and others like it you can get maps on the internet for free, Decca now do a satilite potting system on screen doing away with needs of charts just 6 cds covering the whole world.

.. not true southy.

As I have clearly demonstrated from the 3 years data provided above, revenue is on an upwards trend.

You can’t just make statements such as you just have without the statistical evidence to back it up. Particularly after I have already provided you with the data.

That you want “sales % has been going down” for your own political and propaganda purposes does not mean that is actually happening.

You really do need to do your research before you open your big mouth.

southy wrote:

Scrutinizer wrote:

freefinker wrote:

George4th wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

__KTF__ wrote: So what? Other companies hand out bonuses on a yearly basis for performance related activities. Have the union bosses also declined any pay rises or bonuses to "to align themselves with their staff in terms of how we are all facing up to austerity and pay freezes.” I doubt it...

Southy will be along in a minute to answer that but in case he doesn't; Union members are all happy as long as they're sharing the wealth with everyone else. Union leaders all work for minimum wage and are scrupulously honest . Bosses deserve no more then the lowest paid worker. Margaret Thatcher is evil The world is square.

You are talking about a private sector here, theses bonuses are paid Tax payers money.

Not talking about any specific sector. Presumably the bonuses here are contractual and are being paid because of achievement of business objectives? How much profit did OS make?

#If what I am hearing less then the year before.

.. er, not so. The last year for which details are available was 2010/11: -. Revenue £129.4m; Profit £24.1m. Previous year, 2009/10: - Revenue £114.3m: Profit £16.7m It's all there on their website southy, full account for the last 11 years. Their year runs from 1 April. If you have the data for 2011/12 then please share it with us - including your sources.

.. ooops, I stand corrected. The 2011/12 data is available: - Revenue £141.8m: Profit £31.9m So, both revenue and profits up - you were wrong to say 'less then the year before'.

The figures are meaningless! The OS has a captive business and it is not necessary to pay such high salaries and bonuses. You could get very capable people for half the salaries of the senior people.............. .......

.. you may well have a very valid point. OS is a state monopoly. However my motive for posting was to correct southy's inaccurate information. In that respect the figures are not meaningless but prove, yet again, he is a purveyor of false rumour and dodgy information.

Well, comrade, according to the latest re-education class pronouncement, it's official; he's now Shallow...er...Shado


w Minister for disinformation...

There sales % has been going down in the last ten years, even Admirity charts sales have been going down, reason is because sites like google earth and others like it you can get maps on the internet for free, Decca now do a satilite potting system on screen doing away with needs of charts just 6 cds covering the whole world.

Southy, your opinion on why something MIGHT happen does not count as evidence that it IS happening.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Scrutinizer wrote:

freefinker wrote:

George4th wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

__KTF__ wrote: So what? Other companies hand out bonuses on a yearly basis for performance related activities. Have the union bosses also declined any pay rises or bonuses to "to align themselves with their staff in terms of how we are all facing up to austerity and pay freezes.” I doubt it...

Southy will be along in a minute to answer that but in case he doesn't; Union members are all happy as long as they're sharing the wealth with everyone else. Union leaders all work for minimum wage and are scrupulously honest . Bosses deserve no more then the lowest paid worker. Margaret Thatcher is evil The world is square.

You are talking about a private sector here, theses bonuses are paid Tax payers money.

Not talking about any specific sector. Presumably the bonuses here are contractual and are being paid because of achievement of business objectives? How much profit did OS make?

#If what I am hearing less then the year before.

.. er, not so. The last year for which details are available was 2010/11: -. Revenue £129.4m; Profit £24.1m. Previous year, 2009/10: - Revenue £114.3m: Profit £16.7m It's all there on their website southy, full account for the last 11 years. Their year runs from 1 April. If you have the data for 2011/12 then please share it with us - including your sources.

.. ooops, I stand corrected. The 2011/12 data is available: - Revenue £141.8m: Profit £31.9m So, both revenue and profits up - you were wrong to say 'less then the year before'.

The figures are meaningless! The OS has a captive business and it is not necessary to pay such high salaries and bonuses. You could get very capable people for half the salaries of the senior people.............. .......

.. you may well have a very valid point. OS is a state monopoly. However my motive for posting was to correct southy's inaccurate information. In that respect the figures are not meaningless but prove, yet again, he is a purveyor of false rumour and dodgy information.

Well, comrade, according to the latest re-education class pronouncement, it's official; he's now Shallow...er...Shado



w Minister for disinformation...

There sales % has been going down in the last ten years, even Admirity charts sales have been going down, reason is because sites like google earth and others like it you can get maps on the internet for free, Decca now do a satilite potting system on screen doing away with needs of charts just 6 cds covering the whole world.

Southy, your opinion on why something MIGHT happen does not count as evidence that it IS happening.

Not MIGHT is happening sales of O/S maps have been going down and they been producing fewer and fewer maps each year, and the only reasons they are showing a profit now is because of the cut backs on the workforce, and new techology also means fewer people are needed, and the prices of there maps have gone up.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Scrutinizer wrote:

freefinker wrote:

George4th wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

__KTF__ wrote: So what? Other companies hand out bonuses on a yearly basis for performance related activities. Have the union bosses also declined any pay rises or bonuses to "to align themselves with their staff in terms of how we are all facing up to austerity and pay freezes.” I doubt it...

Southy will be along in a minute to answer that but in case he doesn't; Union members are all happy as long as they're sharing the wealth with everyone else. Union leaders all work for minimum wage and are scrupulously honest . Bosses deserve no more then the lowest paid worker. Margaret Thatcher is evil The world is square.

You are talking about a private sector here, theses bonuses are paid Tax payers money.

Not talking about any specific sector. Presumably the bonuses here are contractual and are being paid because of achievement of business objectives? How much profit did OS make?

#If what I am hearing less then the year before.

.. er, not so. The last year for which details are available was 2010/11: -. Revenue £129.4m; Profit £24.1m. Previous year, 2009/10: - Revenue £114.3m: Profit £16.7m It's all there on their website southy, full account for the last 11 years. Their year runs from 1 April. If you have the data for 2011/12 then please share it with us - including your sources.

.. ooops, I stand corrected. The 2011/12 data is available: - Revenue £141.8m: Profit £31.9m So, both revenue and profits up - you were wrong to say 'less then the year before'.

The figures are meaningless! The OS has a captive business and it is not necessary to pay such high salaries and bonuses. You could get very capable people for half the salaries of the senior people.............. .......

.. you may well have a very valid point. OS is a state monopoly. However my motive for posting was to correct southy's inaccurate information. In that respect the figures are not meaningless but prove, yet again, he is a purveyor of false rumour and dodgy information.

Well, comrade, according to the latest re-education class pronouncement, it's official; he's now Shallow...er...Shado




w Minister for disinformation...

There sales % has been going down in the last ten years, even Admirity charts sales have been going down, reason is because sites like google earth and others like it you can get maps on the internet for free, Decca now do a satilite potting system on screen doing away with needs of charts just 6 cds covering the whole world.

Southy, your opinion on why something MIGHT happen does not count as evidence that it IS happening.

Not MIGHT is happening sales of O/S maps have been going down and they been producing fewer and fewer maps each year, and the only reasons they are showing a profit now is because of the cut backs on the workforce, and new techology also means fewer people are needed, and the prices of there maps have gone up.

See previous comment.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Scrutinizer wrote:

freefinker wrote:

George4th wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

southy wrote:

Des Olated wrote:

__KTF__ wrote: So what? Other companies hand out bonuses on a yearly basis for performance related activities. Have the union bosses also declined any pay rises or bonuses to "to align themselves with their staff in terms of how we are all facing up to austerity and pay freezes.” I doubt it...

Southy will be along in a minute to answer that but in case he doesn't; Union members are all happy as long as they're sharing the wealth with everyone else. Union leaders all work for minimum wage and are scrupulously honest . Bosses deserve no more then the lowest paid worker. Margaret Thatcher is evil The world is square.

You are talking about a private sector here, theses bonuses are paid Tax payers money.

Not talking about any specific sector. Presumably the bonuses here are contractual and are being paid because of achievement of business objectives? How much profit did OS make?

#If what I am hearing less then the year before.

.. er, not so. The last year for which details are available was 2010/11: -. Revenue £129.4m; Profit £24.1m. Previous year, 2009/10: - Revenue £114.3m: Profit £16.7m It's all there on their website southy, full account for the last 11 years. Their year runs from 1 April. If you have the data for 2011/12 then please share it with us - including your sources.

.. ooops, I stand corrected. The 2011/12 data is available: - Revenue £141.8m: Profit £31.9m So, both revenue and profits up - you were wrong to say 'less then the year before'.

The figures are meaningless! The OS has a captive business and it is not necessary to pay such high salaries and bonuses. You could get very capable people for half the salaries of the senior people.............. .......

.. you may well have a very valid point. OS is a state monopoly. However my motive for posting was to correct southy's inaccurate information. In that respect the figures are not meaningless but prove, yet again, he is a purveyor of false rumour and dodgy information.

Well, comrade, according to the latest re-education class pronouncement, it's official; he's now Shallow...er...Shado




w Minister for disinformation...

There sales % has been going down in the last ten years, even Admirity charts sales have been going down, reason is because sites like google earth and others like it you can get maps on the internet for free, Decca now do a satilite potting system on screen doing away with needs of charts just 6 cds covering the whole world.

Southy, your opinion on why something MIGHT happen does not count as evidence that it IS happening.

Not MIGHT is happening sales of O/S maps have been going down and they been producing fewer and fewer maps each year, and the only reasons they are showing a profit now is because of the cut backs on the workforce, and new techology also means fewer people are needed, and the prices of there maps have gone up.

.. oh southy, you do like shooting from the hip, don't you?

You have no data to back up these assertions, do you?

Yes, sales of standard paper maps may have declined but that is because OS have grasped new technology and offer maps in electronic formats that many people find more convenient - especially in the rain on windy hillside, etc.

The fact is, and you can't deny it, revenue (i.e. sales) has gone up year on year.

This is not caused by "cut backs on the workforce, and new techology" but by increasing sales.

What you mention has no doubt contributed to increased profits, but you have been wrong in all your assertions so far concerning both profits and sales.

There is no substitute for being well informed. Just making it up as you go along shows both ignorance and a lack of determination to being well informed.

When was the last time you bought a map, and when was the last time you used some thing like Google Earth, think about it long and hard, I seen it on this site to many times people refering to Google Earth and not a map reference to locate a road, like my self it was 2 years ago i last bought a street map, I more often look at Google Earth to find out what I need and then just print a copy for personal use

southy wrote:
When was the last time you bought a map, and when was the last time you used some thing like Google Earth, think about it long and hard, I seen it on this site to many times people refering to Google Earth and not a map reference to locate a road, like my self it was 2 years ago i last bought a street map, I more often look at Google Earth to find out what I need and then just print a copy for personal use

Go down Shirley at the O/S shop and ask them what sales are like.

southy wrote:
When was the last time you bought a map, and when was the last time you used some thing like Google Earth, think about it long and hard, I seen it on this site to many times people refering to Google Earth and not a map reference to locate a road, like my self it was 2 years ago i last bought a street map, I more often look at Google Earth to find out what I need and then just print a copy for personal use

I've presented you with accurate data - OS sale are up, OS profits are up.

However much you ramble on with the red herring of your personal map-using experience that does not alter these facts. You need to accept this truth.

You were wrong to say "If what I am hearing less then the year before”; you were wrong to say “There sales % has been going down in the last ten years”; and you were wrong to say “the only reasons they are showing a profit now is because of the cut backs on the workforce”.

southy wrote:

southy wrote:
When was the last time you bought a map, and when was the last time you used some thing like Google Earth, think about it long and hard, I seen it on this site to many times people refering to Google Earth and not a map reference to locate a road, like my self it was 2 years ago i last bought a street map, I more often look at Google Earth to find out what I need and then just print a copy for personal use

Go down Shirley at the O/S shop and ask them what sales are like.

Gormans, Southampton Map Centre, Shirley Road, is NOT OS.

It is a private venture.

southy wrote:
When was the last time you bought a map, and when was the last time you used some thing like Google Earth, think about it long and hard, I seen it on this site to many times people refering to Google Earth and not a map reference to locate a road, like my self it was 2 years ago i last bought a street map, I more often look at Google Earth to find out what I need and then just print a copy for personal use

You use Google Earth? But that's the Internet. It's wrong, by definition, remember.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:
When was the last time you bought a map, and when was the last time you used some thing like Google Earth, think about it long and hard, I seen it on this site to many times people refering to Google Earth and not a map reference to locate a road, like my self it was 2 years ago i last bought a street map, I more often look at Google Earth to find out what I need and then just print a copy for personal use

You use Google Earth? But that's the Internet. It's wrong, by definition, remember.

.. yep, evil hackers have altered all the maps so you will always get lost.

freefinker wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:
When was the last time you bought a map, and when was the last time you used some thing like Google Earth, think about it long and hard, I seen it on this site to many times people refering to Google Earth and not a map reference to locate a road, like my self it was 2 years ago i last bought a street map, I more often look at Google Earth to find out what I need and then just print a copy for personal use

You use Google Earth? But that's the Internet. It's wrong, by definition, remember.

.. yep, evil hackers have altered all the maps so you will always get lost.

Without a map of The Real World you simply end up traveling South towards La La Land.

clausentum wrote:

freefinker wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:
When was the last time you bought a map, and when was the last time you used some thing like Google Earth, think about it long and hard, I seen it on this site to many times people refering to Google Earth and not a map reference to locate a road, like my self it was 2 years ago i last bought a street map, I more often look at Google Earth to find out what I need and then just print a copy for personal use

You use Google Earth? But that's the Internet. It's wrong, by definition, remember.

.. yep, evil hackers have altered all the maps so you will always get lost.

Without a map of The Real World you simply end up traveling South towards La La Land.

Put another way: without a Personal Edition OS pristine paper map to rely upon as an authentic guide, you travel in ever-converging concentric circles. Your head eventually ends up wedged up your backside as you relish a lopsided conversation with yourself, convinced your fibs are facts.