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Country cousins test Southampton's authority

ADANAC PARK: Not Southampton, even though you could be forgiven for thinking so. ADANAC PARK: Not Southampton, even though you could be forgiven for thinking so.

IMAGINE if someone else owned your front garden, the gateway to your home.

They get to decide what’s planted there and how it looks.

But everyone assumes it was you who decided to stick the ugly great leylandii there and let Japanese knotweed run riot.

This is the situation Southampton finds itself in with Adanac Park, comfortably the biggest development site in the city. Except that it’s not actually in the city...

It’s where Ordnance Survey is now putting the finishing touches to its landmark headquarters, which, as well as being a dramatic new building, is doubling as the start of an impressive gateway to Southampton.

This is just one spot on the vast greenfield site, which comfortably has room for another five buildings on a similar scale. Buildings fit to house the headquarters of major corporations. Companies that would bring with them thousands of well paid, aspirational jobs of exactly the sort that are so thin on the ground in Southampton.

It is potentially transformational for the city.

And yet our destiny does not lie in our hands. No, it will be decided by Test Valley Borough Council (TVBC), a rural authority based away in Andover and Romsey and primarily concerned with the good work of managing the backwaters.

No doubt it is expert at running Romsey and keeping things ticking over nicely in King’s Somborne. But are planners and councillors whose day to day expertise is in the humdrum business of housing extensions really qualified to manage major deals with international corporations.

A dour example of the sort of thing can be found by swivelling your eyes 180-degrees from the Adanac site to the western edge of the M271. There is the vast, corrugated grey edifice of Sheffield Insulation. It’s a fine company and it’s fantastic that they’ve decided to build their jobs generating business here.

But the consequence of TVBC’s planning decisions is that for millions of visitors to Southampton, from boat show tourists on a day out to cruise passengers steaming in for a holiday, this drab tin warehouse is the signal that they’ve arrived.

Portsmouth signals your appearance on its boundaries with a fluttering, ethereal piece of sculpture.

A set of sails leaving the visitor in no doubt about the primary business of the city they’ve just arrived in; something that elegantly nods to its past and its pride and its sense of place.

Until Ordnance Survey arrived, we had a big grey shed.

If that land had been controlled by Southampton it is difficult to see city bosses waving it through without at least pausing to order some trees be planted to dress it up a bit. Why do Andover planners care?

For a host of reasons Adanac Park matters to Southampton in a way that it never will to Test Valley.

It should be Southampton citizens that call the shots here. It should be an authority concerned with creating jobs in a city with eight areas among the ten per cent most deprived in the UK that is leading the charge to lure in major businesses.

Not councillors who look to wards in leafy Leckford and Longparish.

Everyone imagines the motorway is the boundary of the city and so it should be.

It’s time to take back our garden.

Comments(17)

G0Rf says...
9:35am Tue 3 Aug 10

so why do TVBC control that piece of land then?
as in the article, i thought the southampton boundaries were around the M27 and M271?

Is Southampton going to fight to take control of this land?

southy says...
11:41am Wed 4 Aug 10

G0Rf wrote:
so why do TVBC control that piece of land then?
as in the article, i thought the southampton boundaries were around the M27 and M271?

Is Southampton going to fight to take control of this land?
not the whole of redbridge is in southampton, the boundry runs up brownhill way between romsey boundry and southampton

buffy says...
7:59pm Thu 5 Aug 10

The boundry is basically Junc 1 of the M271 in that area.
I think anything south of Redbridge lane, Bakers Drove is Southampton.
B&Q is Test Valley.
Test lane I think is mostly Soton as well.

mercrocker says...
10:46pm Fri 6 Aug 10

What would Southampton City Council do with it then? West Quay, IKEA, Town Quay, Orchard Place, that monolithic new Police Fortress...Not to mention the tin sheds that greet cruise passengers. I rest my case. Southampton is not a city to be approached, rather driven away from quickly. Without looking in the mirror. The Luftwaffe never did this much disfiguration...

Bob Frapples says...
12:48pm Tue 10 Aug 10

Gareth - take a walk around Romsey and then Southampton, and tell me where you would rather live.

Whilst you are walking around Southampton, take a look at the vista that greets visitors leaving Central Station. Surprise, surprise - big metal wharehouses. (Toys R Us et al.)

urhavingalaugh says...
5:24pm Tue 10 Aug 10

Unfortunately what you call your front garden, happens to be our back garden.
So that's where you're go wrong to start with.
The Boundary of Southampton isn't the M27 as most people think.
There happens to be three areas called Nursling, Rownhams and Hillyfields that are in Test Valley Borough District.
The area called Adanac Park happens also to be the the said district, so its not - 'Comfortably the biggest development site in the city. Because it happens not to be in Southampton the city.
Thats just happens to be a minor point but an important one.
Adanac Park had always been ear- marked as a science park for prestige companies to use and the Ordnance Survey have been the first to take advantage of what the area offers.
Southampton or if this is the reports own opinions should not throw stones at others when Southampton own situation is a total mess.
They still can't decide where to put the Ice-Rink.
I lost count of the number of years it took for them to decide where to put the replacement Swimming Pool. Possiblely they might even make a discission one day on what to do with Mayflower Park and what remains of the Royal Pier.
Perhaps they can't afford the demolishing costs, so they are waiting for it to complete fall too pieces by itself.
So Southampton should sort it's self out first before complaining about others.

Pedant says...
10:33pm Tue 10 Aug 10

This sort of ill - informed tub thumping is exactly why the Echo has such a bad name. No reasoned argument, no debate on the reality of changing the city boundary, no recognition of the cross border work that goes on with the other South Hampshire authorities, no sub regional thinking from the so called business expert. As someone says above- take a look around you- the gateway to the docks, Toys r Us, the wastelands of above bar and east street, deserted Debenhams, the half empty shopping malls left behind by the ill conceived "move" of the city centre to the car dominated West Quay, the sheds along the western approach and so on and so on. As for the suggestion that the officers and councillors of Test Valley inhabit some hicksville one horse banjo playing universe and have no concept of life in the big city- come on Echo-surely you can find someone to put a more cogent argument than that. It smacks of the kind of red-top attitude to football- Algeria? well they can`t be any good can they.

J.P. Muffin says...
12:56pm Fri 13 Aug 10

How much is Gareth Lewis (Business Editor) getting paid to write this drivel?

For a Business Editor to display such woefully poor understanding of the legislative complexity relating to the issues he raises is regrettable, to say the least. For him to be so clearly unable to offer a single quote from ANYONE involved in the planning departments of either Southampton City Council or Test Valley, shows that his contacts book is embarrassingly empty, however.

"Why do Andover planners care?" he asks. Well, Mr. Lewis (Business Editor), ring them up and ask them, before writing your article. Part of your job as a journalist is to offer the opinion of reliable and informed sources.

To state that, "it should be Southampton citizens that call the shots here," is an interesting observation though. Would you like to explain (with all your extensive business knowledge) what legislative mechanisms would allow this to ever become anything more than a figment of your ill-informed imagination?

We want informed opinion on matters such as these, and from somebody who can knock on the right doors and make the timely calls that get us answers. What we don't need is mere speculation and finger-pointing from a tub-thumping stuffed-shirt.

Once again, terrible journalism from a paper that continues on its inevitable slide to obscurity. Business Editor? Uninformed Lazy Hack would be more precise.

parthian says...
1:42pm Fri 13 Aug 10

It's comment Muffin, you Muffin. Not news and as such it's supposed to be opinion.

OntheBoundary says...
6:37pm Fri 13 Aug 10

Two points....

Historical. The boundary is set along historical land ownership boundaries. They came first the motorways were superimposed afterwards. Would you want part of your garden in Southampton and part in Romsey just because someone decided to put a footpath in?

The other side of planning. You may want to control the industrial scene approaching Southampton but how about accepting the responsibility for the housing that goes with it. Currently what we in Hicksville are challenged with is finding land to build in excess of 3,500 houses to house people who will work in Southampton. How about you consume your own smoke and house them down there rather than in Southern Test Valley.

Sottonlass says...
12:28pm Sat 14 Aug 10

I grew up in Nursling and my mum in Hillyfields - adnac park - and Nursling Indusrial estate are eye sores. The locals never wanted. Its The Barker Mill Legacy" - is that they profited from supplying the land for Lordshill, Millbrook, Lordswood, B&Q and all the developments in Nursling. Rubbish another council for being countryfied is pathetic and juvenille. Sort yourself out man, i certainly dont want such an immature person representing me.

MaximumAdrian says...
7:26am Sun 15 Aug 10

parthian wrote:
It's comment Muffin, you Muffin. Not news and as such it's supposed to be opinion.
Even so it does rather make the author look a but of a prat. He could at least base his opinion on facts and practicalities.
.
I know what some of the business leaders in Soton think of his "opinions".

dave1958 says...
5:25pm Sun 15 Aug 10

People have been talking about the western edge of Southampton City Boundaries. These run down bakers drove, all the land on the right hand side as you come down from Lordshill is in the City. You carry across the junction and go across, from Cedar School down to the Y junction are in the city along with cottages that back onto five acres, along to Lordshill way by the tennis centre, which again is in the City. All the houses that are in Redbridge down at the back of Adams Morey are still in the City up to the little round about which brings you back out to the bottom of the M271.
The new ordance survey building, and the houses etc that are being built down there are all being built in TVBC area, not Southampton, hope that explains the western edge of the City.

J.P. Muffin says...
10:27pm Sun 15 Aug 10

@parthian

Indeed it is "comment". Well spotted, and yes, it's an "opinion piece" too!

Trouble is, it's uninformed "opinion", and that's worrying when it's coming from a journalist who lays claim to being a business expert (and gets paid for it!).

Even opinion pieces are best based on fact and understanding (wouldn't you agree?). If they lack the perspicacity to comprehend even simple facts with regard to local government, planning law, and the impact these have on commerce, then they are nothing more than empty rants.

urhavingalaugh says...
1:48am Mon 16 Aug 10

The above author dave1958 is almost correct in his description of the Southampton City Boundary.
Not all the land on the left hand side of Bakers Drove as you drive down it is in Southampton.
The top 2/3s is in Test Valley the bottom 1/3 in Southampton.

bobbyboy says...
12:27pm Thu 19 Aug 10

who cares who owns the lands just make it look good with proper landscaping.
Other towns/cities/borough
ers do it.
other wise it will all look like tinplate legoland but then thats the cheapest option for the biggest profit.
We over here have a simarlar problem we are supposed to live in Southampton but have a Romsey MP but she does do a good job and buckles down to help our cuases unlike the city MP's.
If Mr G Lewis wants to stir things up try asking what has happened to all the false promises the city makes for its residence raising the taxes to pay for it then fails to deliver unless you like a painting you never see.
Lets have some iconic images about the city not a razor blade stuck in a blackberry bush as an after thought (Sir Bevois Sword) where's the spitfire monument why isnt there a Titanic Archway as an entry to the Docks still at least theres some feathers in Woolston slightly hidden from the water front for a Metropolitian City WE ARE ?RAP

Dive-in-Deep says...
12:16am Mon 23 Aug 10

What an appalling article! Do we expect Southampton City Councillors to be quoting frot he article that this is not an appropriate 'gateway' to 'their' city? Will they then use that as an excuse for a policy of 'lebensraum'? I hope not.
If Southampton want a gateway to their city, then they should ensure they build/design/plan for it on their land. If they are so concerned that their country bumkin neighbours are ill equiped in some areas, then they could offer private free advice and support to other local government colleagues to ensure that everyone benefits from these develpoments. As it is, Southampton will (may) benefit from the jobs attracted to the site (local population), or from the spending patterns of people living and working in the area. Get real. Planning, and naming is not about local civic boundaries. It is about ensuring an overall improvement in the standard of living / quality of life of the area as a whole. If it is not - is Southampton City Council going to ask BAA to remove 'Southampton' from 'Southmpton (Eastleigh) Airport'and ask Network Rail to rename Southampton Parkway?

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