Foundry boss: Statue will almost certainly come down
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| The controversial statue |
THE manager of the London-based foundry which completed the Ted Bates statue only last week has admitted the controversial monument will almost certainly be taken down.
Sue Rolfe, manager of the Bronze Age Sculpture Casting Foundry, spoke yesterday to Saints about what options are open to them in the wake of the negative publicity over the £112,000 statue.
"We've heard the statue hasn't been well received, which is a really unfortunate thing to happen," she told the Echo.
"I feel deeply for the club and the artist but we just cast what has been carved".
Full interview in today's Daily Echo.
8:04am Tuesday 20th March 2007
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CommentPosted by: Mike Bevan, Pompey on 11:55am Tue 20 Mar 07
The scultptor should have gone to SpecSavers[bold]bold[/bold]
The scultptor should have gone to SpecSavers
Posted by: Michael Lauder on 12:04pm Tue 20 Mar 07
Today(monday)i went to see Ted Bates statue and i was horrified to see the biggest insult to Ted Bates,this man is an icon and much loved and respected by all the fans,supports and staff at southampton Football Club and it's even bigger insult to his family.
It should be removed a.s.a.p.and melted down and the sculptor should give back the money got for this obnoxious,disgraceful,disgusting excuse for a statue.
The sculptor Iann Brennan( sculptor you must be joking ) does he specialize in sculptuing freaks? because that's what he has made Ted Bates look like,so plaese,plaese,please pull it down and destroy it
Mike L
Bitterne
Today(monday)i went to see Ted Bates statue and i was horrified to see the biggest insult to Ted Bates,this man is an icon and much loved and respected by all the fans,supports and staff at southampton Football Club and it's even bigger insult to his family.
It should be removed a.s.a.p.and melted down and the sculptor should give back the money got for this obnoxious,disgraceful,disgusting excuse for a statue.
The sculptor Iann Brennan( sculptor you must be joking ) does he specialize in sculptuing freaks? because that's what he has made Ted Bates look like,so plaese,plaese,please pull it down and destroy it
Mike L
Bitterne
Posted by: Fratton Fred, North End on 12:07pm Tue 20 Mar 07
Please keep it - it's hilarious!!
Please keep it - it's hilarious!!
Posted by: Robert Pridham, Bransgore Hants on 12:14pm Tue 20 Mar 07
Yes, take it down and start again, but why was this not spotted on the preview meetings. With the Saints season almost in tatters this is the last thing we true Saint fans wanted.
Yes, take it down and start again, but why was this not spotted on the preview meetings. With the Saints season almost in tatters this is the last thing we true Saint fans wanted.
Posted by: Mark Jinks, Netley on 12:42pm Tue 20 Mar 07
why cant it be as good as some of the others, i.e. stanley matthews?
why cant it be as good as some of the others, i.e. stanley matthews?
Posted by: cornelius, southampton on 12:42pm Tue 20 Mar 07
went down to the stadium last night & thought the statue looked like shrek in a suit & not a good fitting one!! melt it down & turn it into golf clubs you could get a few sets out of the head on it,s own!!! get some one else to do it!! dont let Brennan any where near it... the big question is has he been paid??? I had a commissioned painting done but paid for it on delivery when i was happy with it!
went down to the stadium last night & thought the statue looked like shrek in a suit & not a good fitting one!! melt it down & turn it into golf clubs you could get a few sets out of the head on it,s own!!! get some one else to do it!! dont let Brennan any where near it... the big question is has he been paid??? I had a commissioned painting done but paid for it on delivery when i was happy with it!
Posted by: Saint John, Southampton on 1:24pm Tue 20 Mar 07
As I expected we are now a laughing stock because of this statue, look at the pompey scum taking the p!!! now. Well done the Saints Trust, Brennan was you paid by Pompey to make this??? Take it down and get it done properly ASAP, we want to be proud of Saints and of Ted Bates (The Great Man Himself).
As I expected we are now a laughing stock because of this statue, look at the pompey scum taking the p!!! now. Well done the Saints Trust, Brennan was you paid by Pompey to make this??? Take it down and get it done properly ASAP, we want to be proud of Saints and of Ted Bates (The Great Man Himself).
Posted by: Matt, Liverpool on 2:00pm Tue 20 Mar 07
It should be removed straight away , but all is not lost as it can placed in Winchester art college and used as a very good example what can happen when this go wrong !
It should be removed straight away , but all is not lost as it can placed in Winchester art college and used as a very good example what can happen when this go wrong !
Posted by: Pompey N, Hampshire on 2:06pm Tue 20 Mar 07
Good to see that Saints have bowed under the pressure and can now see that PORTSMOUTH FC is the only 'proper' team in Hampshire by having a statue of teh great MIlAN MANDARIC outside St Fairies! LOL @ S*umhampton!
Good to see that Saints have bowed under the pressure and can now see that PORTSMOUTH FC is the only 'proper' team in Hampshire by having a statue of teh great MIlAN MANDARIC outside St Fairies! LOL @ S*umhampton!
Posted by: Rollo Verundie, southampton on 2:58pm Tue 20 Mar 07
So he was a like a circus midget, with strange arms & oversized head. So what ?
So he was a like a circus midget, with strange arms & oversized head. So what ?
Posted by: kim on 3:26pm Tue 20 Mar 07
my 9 year old could have produced something better from plasticine and she would have done it for nothing too !!
my 9 year old could have produced something better from plasticine and she would have done it for nothing too !!
Posted by: Kathryn Kemish, Southampton on 3:52pm Tue 20 Mar 07
I feel really sorry for Mr Bates' family and Saints fans - and I loath football.
But there's another point to this. The statue is an insult to artists and sculptors and must be taken down to preserve their professional integrity. From research, I gather the sculptor is a highly regarded artist, producing both woodcarvings and bronzes. However, he seems to have done very little work with the human form. Yes, it may well be based on a caricature of Mr Bates, but if so, Mr Brennan has made a big mistake. Cartoons are, by their very nature, transient, pen and ink renditions of a person. A sculpture has an essentially permanent quality and is totally unsuitable for this interpretation.
Not many craftsmen would admit to a lack of experience and turn down a commission. So, as has been suggested, I believe the fault lies with those who commissioned the work and let it get that far.
I feel really sorry for Mr Bates' family and Saints fans - and I loath football.
But there's another point to this. The statue is an insult to artists and sculptors and must be taken down to preserve their professional integrity. From research, I gather the sculptor is a highly regarded artist, producing both woodcarvings and bronzes. However, he seems to have done very little work with the human form. Yes, it may well be based on a caricature of Mr Bates, but if so, Mr Brennan has made a big mistake. Cartoons are, by their very nature, transient, pen and ink renditions of a person. A sculpture has an essentially permanent quality and is totally unsuitable for this interpretation.
Not many craftsmen would admit to a lack of experience and turn down a commission. So, as has been suggested, I believe the fault lies with those who commissioned the work and let it get that far.
Posted by: dazzer, earth on 5:15pm Tue 20 Mar 07
I'm a Leeds fan, so it's not often I get a laugh, but that sculpture is well funny.
I'm a Leeds fan, so it's not often I get a laugh, but that sculpture is well funny.
Posted by: Stu Morgan, Bromley on 5:35pm Tue 20 Mar 07
Oh Dear,that really is pretty awful isn't it!
How can you possibly get his head so out of proportion and his arms and hands look like ET's.
Feel very sorry for the family and all concerned.
A Charlton Fan...who remembers Ted Bates and his noble and respected influence on many an aspiring footballer.
£112,000...I doubt dear old Ted ever made that much money in his career.
Oh Dear,that really is pretty awful isn't it!
How can you possibly get his head so out of proportion and his arms and hands look like ET's.
Feel very sorry for the family and all concerned.
A Charlton Fan...who remembers Ted Bates and his noble and respected influence on many an aspiring footballer.
£112,000...I doubt dear old Ted ever made that much money in his career.
Posted by: M. Mandaric, Leicester on 5:52pm Tue 20 Mar 07
There seems to have been a mistake with the delivery address. I thought my new place needed brightening up. Please forward it on to me c/o The Walkers Stadium, Leicester.
There seems to have been a mistake with the delivery address. I thought my new place needed brightening up. Please forward it on to me c/o The Walkers Stadium, Leicester.
Posted by: KodiakJack, Edinburgh on 6:00pm Tue 20 Mar 07
This is what the sculptor himself said just prior to the unveiling:
"We were breaking new ground because the foundry had never done it quite like that before and I certainly had n't. At the back of mind was always the worry that the different parts wouldn't fit." - Ops
"The jacket and trousers went to the foundry in October, but the head didn't go on his shoulders until late February. If any thing had gone wrong we would have been put six weeks behind, but fortunately it all fitted." - Did it???
I feel sorry for him, he's a Saints fan and has made em a laughing stock...
This is what the sculptor himself said just prior to the unveiling:
"We were breaking new ground because the foundry had never done it quite like that before and I certainly had n't. At the back of mind was always the worry that the different parts wouldn't fit." - Ops
"The jacket and trousers went to the foundry in October, but the head didn't go on his shoulders until late February. If any thing had gone wrong we would have been put six weeks behind, but fortunately it all fitted." - Did it???
I feel sorry for him, he's a Saints fan and has made em a laughing stock...
Posted by: pabowls, newbury on 6:04pm Tue 20 Mar 07
Was this done by a local infants school?? I love it!!
Was this done by a local infants school?? I love it!!
Posted by: mike, london on 6:21pm Tue 20 Mar 07
hey boss, the plane, the plane!
hey boss, the plane, the plane!
Posted by: Pete, Portsmouth on 6:36pm Tue 20 Mar 07
There's only 1 Milan, there's only 1 Milan, there's only 1 Milan..... Milan
There's only 1 Milan, there's only 1 Milan, there's only 1 Milan..... Milan
Posted by: Dan on 6:36pm Tue 20 Mar 07
I'm really sorry, but that is the most rubbish statue I've ever seen. I cannot think of anything that even comes close to being that bad.
In a way, it's almost so bad it's good. But it's not. It's just bad.
I'm really sorry, but that is the most rubbish statue I've ever seen. I cannot think of anything that even comes close to being that bad.
In a way, it's almost so bad it's good. But it's not. It's just bad.
Posted by: Noel Blake, Pompey on 6:38pm Tue 20 Mar 07
Your sculpting's not very good,
sculpting's not very good,
your not very, your not very,
your not very good
Your sculpting's not very good,
sculpting's not very good,
your not very, your not very,
your not very good
Posted by: JohnnyP, Manchester on 6:41pm Tue 20 Mar 07
Did the "sculptor" previously work on Thunderbirds. See the East Stand at Old Trafford to see how it should be done.
Did the "sculptor" previously work on Thunderbirds. See the East Stand at Old Trafford to see how it should be done.
Posted by: geraint, wales on 7:44pm Tue 20 Mar 07
If you've developed a taste for crap statues, you must check out the one of Owain Glyndwr (the last Welsh Prince) that stood in Corwen, north Wales until recently. It seems the last Prince of Wales was a midget in wellies.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/fun/galleries/corwen.shtml
If you've developed a taste for crap statues, you must check out the one of Owain Glyndwr (the last Welsh Prince) that stood in Corwen, north Wales until recently. It seems the last Prince of Wales was a midget in wellies.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/fun/galleries/corwen.shtml
Posted by: Drapesy, leeds on 7:52pm Tue 20 Mar 07
I agree with you JohnnyP, but you could also check out Elland Road. Leeds are well in the doldrums now but the statue of Billy Bremner is absoluteley superb.
I agree with you JohnnyP, but you could also check out Elland Road. Leeds are well in the doldrums now but the statue of Billy Bremner is absoluteley superb.
Posted by: bitwize, uk on 7:57pm Tue 20 Mar 07
I think the sculptor may have inadvertantly mixed up the dimensions of Ted Bates with those of Elasto Girl from the Incredibles
I think the sculptor may have inadvertantly mixed up the dimensions of Ted Bates with those of Elasto Girl from the Incredibles
Posted by: Stu Haynes, Whiteley on 8:30pm Tue 20 Mar 07
I went down down to see the statue today. I agree, that from the back the proportions appear incorrect, but actually I couldn't get too upset with the overall image. Ted's family obviously think it's good enough, or at least satisfactory, so I don't know why everyone else is getting wound up about it.
Yes, I know Ted's legacy to the club is outstanding, but the lengthy diatribes posted on here will only fuel the media storm that will then add to the general derision. I would much rather the club focused on winning the remaining 7 games to get us back in the league where we should properly be playing.
I went down down to see the statue today. I agree, that from the back the proportions appear incorrect, but actually I couldn't get too upset with the overall image. Ted's family obviously think it's good enough, or at least satisfactory, so I don't know why everyone else is getting wound up about it.
Yes, I know Ted's legacy to the club is outstanding, but the lengthy diatribes posted on here will only fuel the media storm that will then add to the general derision. I would much rather the club focused on winning the remaining 7 games to get us back in the league where we should properly be playing.
Posted by: John, Glasgow on 8:35pm Tue 20 Mar 07
How tall was Ted Bates anyway?
How tall was Ted Bates anyway?
Posted by: Big John, Kent on 8:48pm Tue 20 Mar 07
I feel sorry for the fans and the family - yet still can't stop laughing. Look at the size of his arms!
At least he didn't know like Big Jock, then you'd have something to really worry about.
I feel sorry for the fans and the family - yet still can't stop laughing. Look at the size of his arms!
At least he didn't know like Big Jock, then you'd have something to really worry about.
Posted by: john jo, morton on 9:00pm Tue 20 Mar 07
This is the funniest thing i've ever seen in my life. If it isn't his big hand, it's his enormous arms that somehow make him look like a child in his dad's coat. The podgy little legs combine with the arms and the cheesy grin to give off wave after wave of visual comedy!! More of these around the country PLEASE!!!
This is the funniest thing i've ever seen in my life. If it isn't his big hand, it's his enormous arms that somehow make him look like a child in his dad's coat. The podgy little legs combine with the arms and the cheesy grin to give off wave after wave of visual comedy!! More of these around the country PLEASE!!!
Posted by: The Unknown Stuntman, The North on 9:17pm Tue 20 Mar 07
He looks like an affable Oompa-Loompa carrying a Malteser.
He looks like an affable Oompa-Loompa carrying a Malteser.
Posted by: Kev, Plymouth on 9:19pm Tue 20 Mar 07
Can we get anything right this season? Check out this link....enough said. We really are so second rate. My sincere apologies to the family of a man who dedicated his life to The club.
.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sir_Matt_Busby_Statue.jpg
Can we get anything right this season? Check out this link....enough said. We really are so second rate. My sincere apologies to the family of a man who dedicated his life to The club.
.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sir_Matt_Busby_Statue.jpg
Posted by: Alex dorn, Germany on 9:30pm Tue 20 Mar 07
Who's Ted Bates?
Posted by: Keith Stoddart, Gateshead on 9:51pm Tue 20 Mar 07
This is rather tragic and, as a footballer supportet from the other end of England, my heart goes to the family, friends and fans of the great man.
That said, it is hilarious- almost Monty Pythian in its grandiloquent daftness. I just hope Sunderland hire the sculptor when they get round to commissioning a statue.
This is rather tragic and, as a footballer supportet from the other end of England, my heart goes to the family, friends and fans of the great man.
That said, it is hilarious- almost Monty Pythian in its grandiloquent daftness. I just hope Sunderland hire the sculptor when they get round to commissioning a statue.
Posted by: garry Trestump, Soton on 10:13pm Tue 20 Mar 07
Sell it on EBAY!
Posted by: No cups in Gorgie, sunshine on Leith, Edinburgh on 10:46pm Tue 20 Mar 07
Ha ha, us hibbys are loving it.
It's resembles that retarded hearts c**t Burley if you ask me.
Ha ha, us hibbys are loving it.
It's resembles that retarded hearts c**t Burley if you ask me.
Posted by: Ben Stroud, London on 11:07pm Tue 20 Mar 07
I don't know what's more pathetic here really - the statue or the moronic comments being left on here by some rather dim people from Portsmouth and Edinburgh.
It looks stupid, and it's a shame that somebody who gave so much to Southampton FC has been reduced to a bronze replica of a prematurely-aged schoolboy. I think begging for sympathy on the internet like some of us are doing is a bit silly, as the only kind of Portsmouth fan you're going to get on here are clearly the garden-variety morons that give their club such a bad reputation for hooliganism in the first place. Let's just settle on giving the club a strong, unified message...
[bold]TAKE THE STATUE DOWN.[/bold]
I don't know what's more pathetic here really - the statue or the moronic comments being left on here by some rather dim people from Portsmouth and Edinburgh.
It looks stupid, and it's a shame that somebody who gave so much to Southampton FC has been reduced to a bronze replica of a prematurely-aged schoolboy. I think begging for sympathy on the internet like some of us are doing is a bit silly, as the only kind of Portsmouth fan you're going to get on here are clearly the garden-variety morons that give their club such a bad reputation for hooliganism in the first place. Let's just settle on giving the club a strong, unified message...
TAKE THE STATUE DOWN. Posted by: Doris Chlorine, St Ives on 11:22pm Tue 20 Mar 07
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in my 92 years. It looks nothing like Ken Bates.
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in my 92 years. It looks nothing like Ken Bates.
Posted by: Ian, Calgary Alberta, Canada on 12:21am Wed 21 Mar 07
Having lived in N.America for the past 6 years we thought we'd seen everything that BAD TASTE could throw at us but this just takes the Cookie!
Having lived in N.America for the past 6 years we thought we'd seen everything that BAD TASTE could throw at us but this just takes the Cookie!
Posted by: Mavis Davies, Sydney on 1:29am Wed 21 Mar 07
This is effin genius - leave him be - it will become a tourist attraction in its own right. Also can you send the sculptors details to Villa Park please so we can have a "fitting tribute" to doug ellis ;-)
This is effin genius - leave him be - it will become a tourist attraction in its own right. Also can you send the sculptors details to Villa Park please so we can have a "fitting tribute" to doug ellis ;-)
Posted by: Saint Albion, Sydney Oz on 2:02am Wed 21 Mar 07
MR GRIMSDALE! MR GRIMSDALE!
MR GRIMSDALE! MR GRIMSDALE!
Posted by: Rod Laver Arena, Melbourne on 2:52am Wed 21 Mar 07
[quote][bold]Michael Lauder[/bold] wrote:
Today(monday)i went to see Ted Bates statue and i was horrified to see the biggest insult to Ted Bates,this man is an icon and much loved and respected by all the fans,supports and staff at southampton Football Club and it's even bigger insult to his family.
It should be removed a.s.a.p.and melted down and the sculptor should give back the money got for this obnoxious,disgraceful,disgusting excuse for a statue.
The sculptor Iann Brennan( sculptor you must be joking ) does he specialize in sculptuing freaks? because that's what he has made Ted Bates look like,so plaese,plaese,please pull it down and destroy it
Mike L
Bitterne
[/quote] Plaese help us, we are stoppifired at this dissgracefull statue. Take it back and bring a bigger one quickl;y;.
Michael Lauder wrote:
Today(monday)i went to see Ted Bates statue and i was horrified to see the biggest insult to Ted Bates,this man is an icon and much loved and respected by all the fans,supports and staff at southampton Football Club and it's even bigger insult to his family.
It should be removed a.s.a.p.and melted down and the sculptor should give back the money got for this obnoxious,disgraceful,disgusting excuse for a statue.
The sculptor Iann Brennan( sculptor you must be joking ) does he specialize in sculptuing freaks? because that's what he has made Ted Bates look like,so plaese,plaese,please pull it down and destroy it
Mike L
Bitterne
Plaese help us, we are stoppifired at this dissgracefull statue. Take it back and bring a bigger one quickl;y;.
Posted by: Wahahahahahahaha, Los Angeles on 5:14am Wed 21 Mar 07
Hahahahaha they are even laughing at that across the pond. Was the mong sculptor cross eyed? He looks like that little gold dude that used to hang around Buck Rogers!! You remember him? Twiki!!! Bidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidi
Hahahahaha they are even laughing at that across the pond. Was the mong sculptor cross eyed? He looks like that little gold dude that used to hang around Buck Rogers!! You remember him? Twiki!!! Bidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidibidi
Posted by: Jim Greene, Dublin on 10:13am Wed 21 Mar 07
That is without doubt the funniest thing i have seen in a long time, im just sitting here laughing, one of the lads i work with is from Southampton and a big fan, he is disgusted.
But i think its great....
That is without doubt the funniest thing i have seen in a long time, im just sitting here laughing, one of the lads i work with is from Southampton and a big fan, he is disgusted.
But i think its great....
Posted by: Harry the Hood, Lambeth on 11:35am Wed 21 Mar 07
[bold]•••••• MESSAGE FROM THE SOUTHAMPTON BOARD ••••••
[/bold]
Due to the recent poor turn out against Burnley, the half time pie and scratch card receipts took a nose dive thus rendering the final payment for Ted Bates statue well below the agreed price.
Short cuts had to be made!
Having already cast the head, football and right arm, the expensive model we had employed had to be released. Fortunately Jimmy Krankie had fallen out of favour at the Orchard Theatre in Dartford and he became available for lower torso modelling at the eleventh hour.
•••••• MESSAGE FROM THE SOUTHAMPTON BOARD ••••••
Due to the recent poor turn out against Burnley, the half time pie and scratch card receipts took a nose dive thus rendering the final payment for Ted Bates statue well below the agreed price.
Short cuts had to be made!
Having already cast the head, football and right arm, the expensive model we had employed had to be released. Fortunately Jimmy Krankie had fallen out of favour at the Orchard Theatre in Dartford and he became available for lower torso modelling at the eleventh hour.
Posted by: bazzy on 12:03pm Wed 21 Mar 07
That is brilliant, maybe to save some money they can just remove the head and put alan ball's on.
That is brilliant, maybe to save some money they can just remove the head and put alan ball's on.
Posted by: Gerry Breen, salisbury on 12:26pm Wed 21 Mar 07
Thankyou thankyou thankyou. I have been in tears all morning since seeing that picture. This is the funniest thing EVER!
Thankyou thankyou thankyou. I have been in tears all morning since seeing that picture. This is the funniest thing EVER!
Posted by: Halifax White, Leeds on 12:53pm Wed 21 Mar 07
Ok, so Bremner's statue is superb but it did cost us 11 million and apparently we are still paying the sculptors wages.
HX
Ok, so Bremner's statue is superb but it did cost us 11 million and apparently we are still paying the sculptors wages.
HX
Posted by: wimpy, southampton on 12:55pm Wed 21 Mar 07
[quote][bold]bazzy[/bold] wrote:
That is brilliant, maybe to save some money they can just remove the head and put alan ball\'s on.[/quote] would look even better with Alan Balls balls on its head
bazzy wrote:
That is brilliant, maybe to save some money they can just remove the head and put alan ball\'s on.
would look even better with Alan Balls balls on its head
Posted by: EdnaGrimpet, Grimthorpe on 1:02pm Wed 21 Mar 07
This is disgraceful!
As an avid ITV viewer of the late 70's I can honestly say that this statue looks nothing like Ted Rodgers, however seeing those big meaty hands brought back wonderful memories of the old 3-2-1 wave.
And why didn't Dusty Bin get a mention? Without him Rodgers was nothing!
I admit the suit looks good.
This is disgraceful!
As an avid ITV viewer of the late 70's I can honestly say that this statue looks nothing like Ted Rodgers, however seeing those big meaty hands brought back wonderful memories of the old 3-2-1 wave.
And why didn't Dusty Bin get a mention? Without him Rodgers was nothing!
I admit the suit looks good.
Posted by: David Hodgson, Brighton on 1:04pm Wed 21 Mar 07
Excellent. Can we see a side view please? I expect we will find out he is actually kneeling on his shoes in true panto fashion.
Excellent. Can we see a side view please? I expect we will find out he is actually kneeling on his shoes in true panto fashion.
Posted by: CHRIS NEWMAN, MIDANBURY, SOUTHAMPTON on 1:13pm Wed 21 Mar 07
----- Original Message -----
From: CHRISTOPHER NEWMAN
To: chris newman
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:19 PM
Subject: THAT STATUE.
It has to be said that the "Ted Bates Trust" comments - regarding the bloody awful "Toulouse Le Ted" statue insult to the "great Ted Bates" are far from satisfactory.
The so called chairman - Dave Ford needs to come down off his own particular podium - judging by his espousing.
Firstly he states quite clearly in previous quotes .... "I saw the statue a week ago it's awesome" etc and then appears - if the Echo (20.3.07) is to be believed to be changing tack. A spokesperson who must either be him or Janet Formby - for no others were mentioned - now say that the trust (WHO HAVE COMPLETELY FAILED TO MONITOR THE PROJECT PROPERLY in its various stages) were mislead by some pictures they saw. Mind you the particular picture now referred to, appears to have only been of a statue head.
Quite frankly Mr Ford - who has been known to champion his own credibility as a permanent fixture in the SAINTS contingent home and away and who apparently doesn't have much time for those of us who can only afford the home games - except for the occasional special away-day treat - has made himself look a complete chump who SHOULD do what most others in any form of public life do after the excrement hits the fan - and resign his current "Trust" position. Because you could drive an early sixties "Pompey Trolley Bus" through his totally flawed arguments.
There are plenty of others - thousands in fact - that care deeply for OUR (that means all of us) team. You could be forgiven for thinking, that these days, the various Trusts - OR the loyal band that regularly follow Saints away (bless 'em) were some kind of elite. In fact they are just "people" that decide for themselves that they want to travel country-wide EVERY weekend or midweek in support of their team and obviously either have the revenue to be able to do so - or choose to spend their hard earned (one assumes) cash that way. Others like myself will mostly - when Saints are away, attend non league - or alternatively work weekends at "local pitches" and sporting facilities. I also spent two solid years of my life writing my own published work of my life following Saints. The precious memories that Ted's sides gave me -the brilliance of traditional wingers Paine & Sydenham working in tandem for example - was outstanding - something that will never leave me.
In fact tandem is what needs to happen now to rectify this god awful mess. People - just for once - need to leave their egos behind -forget their petty squabbles with other, now marginalised Saints groups - (or just plain individuals like me) and act positively. Substitute the word tandem for team effort - or working together - and something CAN be done to rescue this mess and A NEW STATUE (OR ACTUALLY A BUST WAS "ALWAYS" TED'S WIFE'S PREFERENCE) OF TED BATES reborn. I only work about three quarter time these days in the day job - unsocial hours sometimes included - but I'd be happy to slip a few bob in a bucket if need be - to help "pick this thing up -dust this thing off - and start all over again tra la".
However I want to see the RIGHT PEOPLE calling the shots. People who can organise efficiently, people who can be properly relied upon to action things and monitor them - not just a load of waffle or fancy talk. I remember Jan Formby from my sixties school days. I've never found her anything more than a sincere and caring Saints fan above all. However the Trust people have dropped a clanger big-time - no excuses. Be big enough - hold your hands up - admit it - be done with it - move on - and above all play your part "big heart" fashion in putting this sorry business to rights. CHRIS NEWMAN.
----- Original Message -----
From: CHRISTOPHER NEWMAN
To: chris newman
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:19 PM
Subject: THAT STATUE.
It has to be said that the "Ted Bates Trust" comments - regarding the bloody awful "Toulouse Le Ted" statue insult to the "great Ted Bates" are far from satisfactory.
The so called chairman - Dave Ford needs to come down off his own particular podium - judging by his espousing.
Firstly he states quite clearly in previous quotes .... "I saw the statue a week ago it's awesome" etc and then appears - if the Echo (20.3.07) is to be believed to be changing tack. A spokesperson who must either be him or Janet Formby - for no others were mentioned - now say that the trust (WHO HAVE COMPLETELY FAILED TO MONITOR THE PROJECT PROPERLY in its various stages) were mislead by some pictures they saw. Mind you the particular picture now referred to, appears to have only been of a statue head.
Quite frankly Mr Ford - who has been known to champion his own credibility as a permanent fixture in the SAINTS contingent home and away and who apparently doesn't have much time for those of us who can only afford the home games - except for the occasional special away-day treat - has made himself look a complete chump who SHOULD do what most others in any form of public life do after the excrement hits the fan - and resign his current "Trust" position. Because you could drive an early sixties "Pompey Trolley Bus" through his totally flawed arguments.
There are plenty of others - thousands in fact - that care deeply for OUR (that means all of us) team. You could be forgiven for thinking, that these days, the various Trusts - OR the loyal band that regularly follow Saints away (bless 'em) were some kind of elite. In fact they are just "people" that decide for themselves that they want to travel country-wide EVERY weekend or midweek in support of their team and obviously either have the revenue to be able to do so - or choose to spend their hard earned (one assumes) cash that way. Others like myself will mostly - when Saints are away, attend non league - or alternatively work weekends at "local pitches" and sporting facilities. I also spent two solid years of my life writing my own published work of my life following Saints. The precious memories that Ted's sides gave me -the brilliance of traditional wingers Paine & Sydenham working in tandem for example - was outstanding - something that will never leave me.
In fact tandem is what needs to happen now to rectify this god awful mess. People - just for once - need to leave their egos behind -forget their petty squabbles with other, now marginalised Saints groups - (or just plain individuals like me) and act positively. Substitute the word tandem for team effort - or working together - and something CAN be done to rescue this mess and A NEW STATUE (OR ACTUALLY A BUST WAS "ALWAYS" TED'S WIFE'S PREFERENCE) OF TED BATES reborn. I only work about three quarter time these days in the day job - unsocial hours sometimes included - but I'd be happy to slip a few bob in a bucket if need be - to help "pick this thing up -dust this thing off - and start all over again tra la".
However I want to see the RIGHT PEOPLE calling the shots. People who can organise efficiently, people who can be properly relied upon to action things and monitor them - not just a load of waffle or fancy talk. I remember Jan Formby from my sixties school days. I've never found her anything more than a sincere and caring Saints fan above all. However the Trust people have dropped a clanger big-time - no excuses. Be big enough - hold your hands up - admit it - be done with it - move on - and above all play your part "big heart" fashion in putting this sorry business to rights. CHRIS NEWMAN.
Posted by: firestarter, southampton on 2:59pm Wed 21 Mar 07
Here is the artists website, incase you wish to see his other work or send him your thoughts.
[bold]http://www.sculptor-iangb.com[/bold]
Here is the artists website, incase you wish to see his other work or send him your thoughts.
http://www.sculptor-iangb.com Posted by: Billy, Memphis on 3:51pm Wed 21 Mar 07
Add a statue for each member of the Southampton team:)
Add a statue for each member of the Southampton team:)
Posted by: markusdunlyus, dublin on 3:51pm Wed 21 Mar 07
Good old master bates. I think tis a grand sculpture. no more than southapton deserve. they all look strange down there anyway so what do you expect?
Good old master bates. I think tis a grand sculpture. no more than southapton deserve. they all look strange down there anyway so what do you expect?
Posted by: SmithyHK on 3:57pm Wed 21 Mar 07
The artist has perfectly melded 60s DJ Pete Murray to the torso of Mr Humphries off Are You Being Served?, and added a garnish of Mr Tickle's arms to complete the piece.
One of the best fusion works I have seen, with an underlying BBC theme to boot. Top work & congrats to Southampton on snapping this up.
The artist has perfectly melded 60s DJ Pete Murray to the torso of Mr Humphries off Are You Being Served?, and added a garnish of Mr Tickle's arms to complete the piece.
One of the best fusion works I have seen, with an underlying BBC theme to boot. Top work & congrats to Southampton on snapping this up.
Posted by: Frank N Stein, Germany on 3:57pm Wed 21 Mar 07
Looks fine to me!
Posted by: SmithyHK, Asia on 3:59pm Wed 21 Mar 07
The artist has perfectly melded 60s DJ Pete Murray to the torso of Mr Humphries off Are You Being Served?, and added a garnish of Mr Tickle's arms to complete the piece.
One of the best fusion works I have seen, with an underlying BBC theme to boot. Top work & congrats to Southampton on snapping this up.
The artist has perfectly melded 60s DJ Pete Murray to the torso of Mr Humphries off Are You Being Served?, and added a garnish of Mr Tickle's arms to complete the piece.
One of the best fusion works I have seen, with an underlying BBC theme to boot. Top work & congrats to Southampton on snapping this up.
Posted by: mustafa shat, iraq on 5:18pm Wed 21 Mar 07
dont worry it will be pulled down when the americans liberate southampton, guffaw guffaw
dont worry it will be pulled down when the americans liberate southampton, guffaw guffaw
Posted by: Reg, Leeds on 5:35pm Wed 21 Mar 07
Was this done by the artist formally known as SW?
(Stevie Wonder)
Was this done by the artist formally known as SW?
(Stevie Wonder)
Posted by: Juju, Croydon on 7:55pm Wed 21 Mar 07
I haven't laughted this hard in months after having found out where the butler from 1970's TV "Fantasy Island" ended up.....
I can only presume the original series was based in East Wittering or Hayling Island....
I haven't laughted this hard in months after having found out where the butler from 1970's TV "Fantasy Island" ended up.....
I can only presume the original series was based in East Wittering or Hayling Island....
Posted by: Yank Eddie on 9:46pm Wed 21 Mar 07
I think it's great of Southampton to support a care in the community project.
I think it's great of Southampton to support a care in the community project.
Posted by: Rob Drown, WILTSHIRE on 10:11pm Wed 21 Mar 07
Thats great!
Posted by: Guest on 11:29pm Wed 21 Mar 07
[quote][bold]Juju[/bold] wrote:
I haven't laughted this hard in months after having found out where the butler from 1970's TV "Fantasy Island" ended up.....
I can only presume the original series was based in East Wittering or Hayling Island....
[/quote] There's something seriously wrong with someone that can laugh over something like that...
Juju wrote:
I haven't laughted this hard in months after having found out where the butler from 1970's TV "Fantasy Island" ended up.....
I can only presume the original series was based in East Wittering or Hayling Island....
There's something seriously wrong with someone that can laugh over something like that...
Posted by: Pompeylad657, Portsmouth on 1:42am Thu 22 Mar 07
hahahahahaha u stupid scummers u have made fools of ur self yet again. Who was this Ted Bates guy oh well hes a **** legend in scum ville u goin down 2 LEAGUE 1
hahahahahaha u stupid scummers u have made fools of ur self yet again. Who was this Ted Bates guy oh well hes a **** legend in scum ville u goin down 2 LEAGUE 1
Posted by: Clive in Dubai on 4:16am Thu 22 Mar 07
Was this sculptor recommended by a relative of George Weah by any chance?
Was this sculptor recommended by a relative of George Weah by any chance?
Posted by: Johnno, London on 8:01am Thu 22 Mar 07
What would the people in Southampton know about art? This sculpture is truly a great piece of work and its abstract appearance sets it apart from the pastiche statues that litter this great country. Would it be preferred if he was sitting on a horse? Maybe more focus should be on supporting the team rather than finding excuses to be little your team's history.
What would the people in Southampton know about art? This sculpture is truly a great piece of work and its abstract appearance sets it apart from the pastiche statues that litter this great country. Would it be preferred if he was sitting on a horse? Maybe more focus should be on supporting the team rather than finding excuses to be little your team's history.
Posted by: Dave Pearce, Reading on 9:21am Thu 22 Mar 07
That thing deserves to be fired into the heart of the sun.
It looks like a paedo.
That thing deserves to be fired into the heart of the sun.
It looks like a paedo.
Posted by: richard gray, rotherham on 10:19am Thu 22 Mar 07
Thanks for the comic entertainment! I bet the pompey fans think it's marvellous that a local rival has placed a statue of milan manderic outside st marys and southhampton fans have paid for it! Priceless!! The statue has given the country much merriment. I'm watching this pantomime with interest. First the redknapp transfer saga, now this! Who says southerners haven't got a sense of humour!!
Thanks for the comic entertainment! I bet the pompey fans think it's marvellous that a local rival has placed a statue of milan manderic outside st marys and southhampton fans have paid for it! Priceless!! The statue has given the country much merriment. I'm watching this pantomime with interest. First the redknapp transfer saga, now this! Who says southerners haven't got a sense of humour!!
Posted by: Duncan, Poole on 1:01pm Thu 22 Mar 07
Haha!! I guess this is what you get for spending such a small amount of money and employing a crap sculptor! Looks more like Alex Ferguson than Ted Bates in my opinion. Anyway, up the Liverpool, Bill Shankly was the best manager football has ever seen.
Haha!! I guess this is what you get for spending such a small amount of money and employing a crap sculptor! Looks more like Alex Ferguson than Ted Bates in my opinion. Anyway, up the Liverpool, Bill Shankly was the best manager football has ever seen.
Posted by: Andy, Hedge End on 1:59pm Thu 22 Mar 07
If the statue has to be totally resculpted, could we not have one with a little more imagination, perhaps half kitted out as a player and half suited as a Manager/Director to represent his distinct roles but continuous service to the club. Must admit the Busby statue looks good.
If the statue has to be totally resculpted, could we not have one with a little more imagination, perhaps half kitted out as a player and half suited as a Manager/Director to represent his distinct roles but continuous service to the club. Must admit the Busby statue looks good.
Posted by: Jay, Manchester on 3:07pm Thu 22 Mar 07
Looks like them wobbly things i stuck on my pencil when i was a kid!!
Looks like them wobbly things i stuck on my pencil when i was a kid!!
Posted by: Derek Williams, Hedge End on 4:45pm Thu 22 Mar 07
I think the Ted Bates Statue should be scrapped and a complete new one made .Not only does it seem to be out of propoprtion, Ted was a smartly dressed man , the statue looks as though he has been sleeping rough there are so many creases in his clothes.Surely Southampton can get it right lets have it replaced !!!!
I think the Ted Bates Statue should be scrapped and a complete new one made .Not only does it seem to be out of propoprtion, Ted was a smartly dressed man , the statue looks as though he has been sleeping rough there are so many creases in his clothes.Surely Southampton can get it right lets have it replaced !!!!
Posted by: rodin, newark on 9:01am Fri 23 Mar 07
Why not commission a matching statue of Matt Le Tissier! They could stand like bookends and would look a right pair of beauties next to each other! Lord only knows what Ian Brennan could conjour up..it would need £250,000 for the bronze and a strong plinth to accomodate matts chunky physique..Best laugh in a long time this farce!!
Why not commission a matching statue of Matt Le Tissier! They could stand like bookends and would look a right pair of beauties next to each other! Lord only knows what Ian Brennan could conjour up..it would need £250,000 for the bronze and a strong plinth to accomodate matts chunky physique..Best laugh in a long time this farce!!
Posted by: Neil, London on 9:02am Fri 23 Mar 07
Ted Bates? - no
Milan Manderic? - no
...it's Hank Hill's father out of King of the Hill.
Ted Bates? - no
Milan Manderic? - no
...it's Hank Hill's father out of King of the Hill.
Posted by: Tarzan, The Jungle on 10:11am Fri 23 Mar 07
Can anybody help? I was sculpting a statue of my mate Cheeta and somebody has stole his arms. I can't imagine why anybody would steal a cast of a Chimpanzee's arms - please let me know if your find them
Can anybody help? I was sculpting a statue of my mate Cheeta and somebody has stole his arms. I can't imagine why anybody would steal a cast of a Chimpanzee's arms - please let me know if your find them
Posted by: Dr Frank Enstein, Germany on 10:20am Fri 23 Mar 07
I thought I was bad - but this guy could do me out of a job:
John Motson's hair, Steptoe's face, Don Estelle's body (Lofty from Ain't Half Hot Mum), Mr Tickle's arms and Norman Wisdom's clothes.
I think I saw the citizen's of Baghdad show their appreciation for one of Iann Brennan's pieces a few years ago on TV. Maybe Southampton fans could do the same. Please ensure that at least one of you smacks the statue in the face with your shoe for true comedic effect.
Well done Southampton - who cares that you are rubbish at football when you can entertain the country in other ways
I thought I was bad - but this guy could do me out of a job:
John Motson's hair, Steptoe's face, Don Estelle's body (Lofty from Ain't Half Hot Mum), Mr Tickle's arms and Norman Wisdom's clothes.
I think I saw the citizen's of Baghdad show their appreciation for one of Iann Brennan's pieces a few years ago on TV. Maybe Southampton fans could do the same. Please ensure that at least one of you smacks the statue in the face with your shoe for true comedic effect.
Well done Southampton - who cares that you are rubbish at football when you can entertain the country in other ways
Posted by: I Claudius, Rome on 10:26am Fri 23 Mar 07
CHRIS NEWMAN, MIDANBURY, SOUTHAMPTON calls for the statue to be taken down and replaced by a Bust of Ted.
I for one will gladly pay for the recomissioning of a bust of Ted so long as the same sculpter completes the job. I hear he is a fan of Dolly Parton and so cannot wait to see with what he comes up with.
CHRIS NEWMAN, MIDANBURY, SOUTHAMPTON calls for the statue to be taken down and replaced by a Bust of Ted.
I for one will gladly pay for the recomissioning of a bust of Ted so long as the same sculpter completes the job. I hear he is a fan of Dolly Parton and so cannot wait to see with what he comes up with.
Posted by: Hans Blix, Southampton on 8:26pm Fri 23 Mar 07
Ted Bates? Looks more like Master Bates...
Ted Bates? Looks more like Master Bates...
Posted by: Amey, Newport on 7:41pm Sun 25 Mar 07
Raaaah ok these comments are making me angry now. Ian Brennan is my friends dad and is amazing at what he does. Which you would know if you had seen his other work. Secondly, I've read the problems he had making this, bearing in mind he's never seen the guy in person and had to relie on photographs.
Ok the statue is out of proportion and I don't care what your opinion of it is, but all of you saying he's a rubbish sculpter are completly wrong and need to basically [italic]**** off[/italic] .
Raaaah ok these comments are making me angry now. Ian Brennan is my friends dad and is amazing at what he does. Which you would know if you had seen his other work. Secondly, I've read the problems he had making this, bearing in mind he's never seen the guy in person and had to relie on photographs.
Ok the statue is out of proportion and I don't care what your opinion of it is, but all of you saying he's a rubbish sculpter are completly wrong and need to basically
**** off .
Posted by: Claire, Manchester on 11:12am Tue 27 Mar 07
This club needs to get in touch with Colin Spofforth - he's already replacing the "stunted dwarf" with a proper sculpture of Owain Glyndwr in Corwen - check it out http://www.colinspofforth.com/owain_glyndwr.htm
It's amazing!
This club needs to get in touch with Colin Spofforth - he's already replacing the "stunted dwarf" with a proper sculpture of Owain Glyndwr in Corwen - check it out http://www.colinspofforth.com/owain_glyndwr.htm
It's amazing!
Posted by: James McCallum, Glasgow on 4:48pm Tue 27 Mar 07
I have been emailed to look at this, and thought it would be boring.
But, honestly, it's the funniest thing I have ever seen. Tears are rolling down my face as I speak.
keep it - it will become a tourist attraction soon enough. People pay big bucks for such comedy gold.
I have been emailed to look at this, and thought it would be boring.
But, honestly, it's the funniest thing I have ever seen. Tears are rolling down my face as I speak.
keep it - it will become a tourist attraction soon enough. People pay big bucks for such comedy gold.
Posted by: Stevie P, Dunfermline on 7:29pm Tue 27 Mar 07
I don't think it is as bad as everyone is making out......but I've still got tears rolling down my cheeks! The more you look the funnier it gets! Brilliant.
I don't think it is as bad as everyone is making out......but I've still got tears rolling down my cheeks! The more you look the funnier it gets! Brilliant.
Posted by: thommo thompson on 3:14pm Wed 18 Apr 07
It's one of the most memorable statues I've ever seen. A glorious achievement. Put it on the fourth plinth and the nation will be forever happy!
It's one of the most memorable statues I've ever seen. A glorious achievement. Put it on the fourth plinth and the nation will be forever happy!
Posted by: Kemal Attaboy! on 11:52am Fri 20 Apr 07
Never mind Southampton that should be on one of the plinths in Trafalgar Square, waving at Alison Lapper.
Never mind Southampton that should be on one of the plinths in Trafalgar Square, waving at Alison Lapper.
Posted by: Kemal Attaboy! on 11:54am Fri 20 Apr 07
As suggested by the poster above. Buggeration.
As suggested by the poster above. Buggeration.
Posted by: Kemal Attaboy! on 11:59am Fri 20 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Amey[/bold] wrote:
Raaaah ok these comments are making me angry now. Ian Brennan is my friends dad and is amazing at what he does. Which you would know if you had seen his other work. Secondly, I've read the problems he had making this, bearing in mind he's never seen the guy in person and had to relie on photographs.
Ok the statue is out of proportion and I don't care what your opinion of it is, but all of you saying he's a rubbish sculpter are completly wrong and need to basically [italic]**** off[/italic] . [/quote] Eh? Surely, unless he has a photographic memory, he would be working on a memorial statue from photographs anyway? And why pick a photograph of the subject "Yoo hoo"-ing some sailors as the Navy rolls in?
Face it: pigs' ear or dog's breakfast? Or a bit of both? My dog eats pigs ears for breakfast, for example.
Amey wrote:
Raaaah ok these comments are making me angry now. Ian Brennan is my friends dad and is amazing at what he does. Which you would know if you had seen his other work. Secondly, I've read the problems he had making this, bearing in mind he's never seen the guy in person and had to relie on photographs.
Ok the statue is out of proportion and I don't care what your opinion of it is, but all of you saying he's a rubbish sculpter are completly wrong and need to basically **** off .
Eh? Surely, unless he has a photographic memory, he would be working on a memorial statue from photographs anyway? And why pick a photograph of the subject "Yoo hoo"-ing some sailors as the Navy rolls in?
Face it: pigs' ear or dog's breakfast? Or a bit of both? My dog eats pigs ears for breakfast, for example.
Posted by: Dr Ramone Da Bone on 8:46pm Fri 20 Apr 07
What a coincidence Kemal, my pig eats dog Sh*t for dinner. Is this a case of what goes around comes around?
And don't call me shirley.
What a coincidence Kemal, my pig eats dog Sh*t for dinner. Is this a case of what goes around comes around?
And don't call me shirley.
Posted by: Kelly McAndew, Chisle'URST on 8:49pm Fri 20 Apr 07
Laurence Ashworth is a trouser jockey.
Laurence Ashworth is a trouser jockey.
Posted by: Jay Jay McRollox, Julie's Cupboard on 8:51pm Fri 20 Apr 07
Look at my 'and
Posted by: Kemal Attaboy! on 12:09am Sat 21 Apr 07
This thread appears to have been hijacked by some lunatic fringe. Show some respect, people. A man is still dead, at the end of the day.
For shame.
Hilarious statue, mind.
This thread appears to have been hijacked by some lunatic fringe. Show some respect, people. A man is still dead, at the end of the day.
For shame.
Hilarious statue, mind.
Posted by: Kemal Attaboy! on 12:28am Sat 21 Apr 07
[bold]'AROLD![/bold]
Posted by: Spandex Ballet on 2:25am Sat 21 Apr 07
Can anyone recommend a good restaurant in the Southampton area? Thanks.
Can anyone recommend a good restaurant in the Southampton area? Thanks.
Posted by: Charles de Gallstone on 2:28am Sat 21 Apr 07
That's most definitely a syrup.
That's most definitely a syrup.
Posted by: Ted Bates on 2:48am Sat 21 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Kelly McAndew[/bold] wrote:
Laurence Ashworth is a trouser jockey.[/quote] Ouch [bang] ouch [bump] ouch [knock] ouch [clump]
Kelly McAndew wrote:
Laurence Ashworth is a trouser jockey.
Ouch ouch ouch ouch
Posted by: Slim 'Jim' Mc Dingaling on 12:12pm Mon 23 Apr 07
[quote][bold]Spandex Ballet[/bold] wrote:
Can anyone recommend a good restaurant in the Southampton area? Thanks. [/quote] No.[bold]bold[/bold]
Spandex Ballet wrote:
Can anyone recommend a good restaurant in the Southampton area? Thanks.
No.
Posted by: Sid The (trouser) Snake on 3:46pm Wed 25 Apr 07
STOP! DO NOT PULL IT DOWN!
Alan Ball has just snuffed it – just change the name
STOP! DO NOT PULL IT DOWN!
Alan Ball has just snuffed it – just change the name
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