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RSPCA removes 73 rabbits from family’s backyard

9:19am Wednesday 3rd October 2007

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MORE than 70 rabbits were confiscated in a raid on a Hampshire home by the RSPCA and environmental health officers.

They removed the animals from hutches belonging to Southampton rabbit enthusiasts Dawn and Pete Bundy after neighbours alerted authorities.

Officers removed 73 rabbits - worth about £3,000 - from the backyard of their house in Maplin Road, Millbrook, on the advice of a vet, who described their living conditions as "completely inappropriate".

But the couple, who breed the specialist dwarf lop, German lop, silver fox and satin rabbits to show at events, insist that the animals were well cared for.

The RSPCA and Southampton City Council's environmental health department spent several hours removing the animals.

Environmental health officer Ralph Walling said: "We've examined the animals and removed some of them on the advice of a vet. "

It would be unwise to say any more because we are gathering evidence of criminal offences."

The vet, who did not want to be named, added: "These animals are living in completely inappropriate conditions.

Rabbits are supposed to be able to run around and hop about.

These are s h owing none of the normal behavioural signs."

RSPCA spokesman Jo Barr said she was unable to say whether there would be a prosecution.

Mr Bundy, a warehouse worker, said: "We were visited by the RSPCA 13 months ago.

Everything was fine apart from we had to clean a few of the hutches but that's normal with the amount of rabbits we have. "

Suddenly last week they came back.

We refused to let them in so they obtained a warrant."

Then they turned up and started taking rabbits away."

The 52-year-old added: "They say the hutches are too small but there's no regulation size.

"Because we breed and show the rabbits, they're kept in smaller hutches - otherwise the smaller rabbits grow too big."

Mrs Bundy, 47, said: "I'm devastated.

We're members of the British Rabbit Council and we know a lot more about rabbits than the normal person in the street.

We don't know w h a t ' s going to happen to them now, or even w h e t h e r we'll see them again. "

They're worth so much to us in love and companionship - more than money can buy."


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Adrian Smith, says...
9:47am Wed 3 Oct 07

"They removed the animals from hutches belonging to Southampton rabbit enthusiasts Dawn and Pete Bundy after neighbours alerted authorities."

But according to the report the RSPCA already knew of the rabbits 13 months earlier. It will be interesting to see if any legal action ever does take place.

Perhaps the family can ask for them back one at a time so they can eat them for dinner?

Viv Isaakson, says...
10:48am Wed 3 Oct 07

So just where are the RSPCA going to put these animals ? My guess is they will be more cramped and less well cared for in the long run.

Rabbits are, after all, a menace to the countryside, vermin carriers and basically a foodstuff for human and/or foxes. Why all the fuss.

Will the RSPCA be raiding a battery chicken farm next to complain of the conditions ?

World's gone animal mad again !

Ian, Turkey says...
11:08am Wed 3 Oct 07

The 52-year-old added: "They say the hutches are too small but there's no regulation size.




Taken from the British Council Website_
The British Rabbit Council recommends a hutch size of at least 750mm x 600mm x 450mm for a Netherland Dwarf.

Considering her rabbits are a larger breed,I wonder if the hutches were larger.

She should have known that, as she says they are members of the BRC.

King Mush, Woolston says...
11:14am Wed 3 Oct 07

Shame that the authorities don't instigate a massive raid on Millbrook and get rid of the real vermin.

King Tosh, says...
11:19am Wed 3 Oct 07

King Mush wrote:
Shame that the authorities don't instigate a massive raid on Millbrook and get rid of the real vermin.
Hopefully following on from a similar operation in the inbred capital of Southampton...Woolst
on

keith, test valley says...
12:35pm Wed 3 Oct 07

MUST OF BEEN AT IT LIKE RABBITS !!!

Ian, Turkey says...
1:04pm Wed 3 Oct 07

keith wrote:
MUST OF BEEN AT IT LIKE RABBITS !!!
Hi Keith.

Wait till Gordon Ramsey cottons onto that. Along with his crocs he can breed rabbits and put on his menu at 50-00 a serving.

Then it will be ostrich, buffalo and before you know it, wildebeest will be roaming the Test Valley. (-:

Marian,, Southampton says...
2:04pm Wed 3 Oct 07

Im glad the rabbits have been taken away. The rabbitry looks a dirty, unkept nightmare for all of them trapped in a hutch where they can barely turn round.If you are a member of the BRC you should be aware of the regulation hutch sizes and the need for them all to have proper exercise otherwise you are breeding "faults".
Tidy up and clean up the mess - like you were told to do 13 mths ago. You only have yourselves to blame.

ian is thick, says...
2:13pm Wed 3 Oct 07

Ian, read what you just quoted. The BRC RECOMMENDS a hutch of that size. nowhere does it say that its the law.

mangobean, Eastleigh says...
2:28pm Wed 3 Oct 07

Because we breed and show the rabbits, they're kept in smaller hutches - otherwise the smaller rabbits grow too big


Regardless of how much they claim to love these furry critters, or the BRC recommended size of hutches etc. the fact that they willfully restrict their growth for show purposes sounds pretty darn cruel to me.

Ian, Turkey says...
2:37pm Wed 3 Oct 07

ian is thick wrote:
Ian, read what you just quoted. The BRC RECOMMENDS a hutch of that size. nowhere does it say that its the law.
I did not say it was the law and am fully aware of what I have written.
She admits the RSPCA say the hutches are too small, and says there are no regulation sizes.
The point I was making was with them being a member of the BRC, they should have known the recommended sizes of the hutches for a smaller breed of rabbit than they have, and increased the size of their hutches for a larger breed. This does not seem to be the case and she is a touch contradictory.


Tegwen, Millbrook says...
2:44pm Wed 3 Oct 07

First of all, the BRC RECOMENDS a hutch size, it is NOT a regulation. Secondly, these are show rabbits and have to be kept in slightly smaller cages than pet rabbits or they grow too big and can't be shown. The Bundy rabbits are all show rabbits and have a number of awards and rossettes. The family also have awards for breeding and keeping rabbits. They did everything the RSPCA told them to 13 months ago, so there shouldn't have been a problem. The complaint came from an embittered old man who they have a long standing dispute with, because he shouts abuse at everyone that he sees. The way the RSPCA handled this was appalling, they treated the family and rabbits with no respect, and the woman from the RSPCA leading the raid, was rude, nasty and vindictive, and didn't even know that you look after show rabbits differently than pet rabbits. The vet they brought didn't even know what breed any of the rabbits were, and was marking them down simply by their colour and size. They took 73 in total, including the little girls rabbit that had won 15 rossettes just the day before. Imagine how this 8 year old felt when she got back from school to find her special rabbit taken. The rabbits were simply picked up by the ears (something you should never do) and put into cardboard boxes in the vans. During this time the RSPCA were heard to say that all the rabbits were perfectly healthy, and that they had nowhere to put them so they would have to stay in the boxes in the vans overnight! How is that treating them properly? And even though they took 73, they left 53 with the family, so they coudn't have been that worried about them. They were simply doing it to make themselves look good. The RSPCA woman was heard to say to a police officer that she would get a recomendation from her boss as she had now rescued so many animals. But the only reason they could give for taking them was the size of the hutches, which just showed her ignorance about the subject. This is a warning to all small animal owners, the RSPCA are claiming that rabbits should be able to stand up on their hind legs in a hutch and that there should only ever be one rabbit in a hutch. You also have to clea
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n the hutch every time a rabbit has a wee or poo, even if they have a new litter in the hutch. So, all small pet owners must stand by the hutch all day every day, waiting for their pet to wee, then clean the whole cage. And if you even attempt to go near a new litter, it is a high probabilty that the mother will then kill them as they will have a foreign scent on them. Any one who really does know anything about rabbits would know this. The RSPCA officer clearly didn't know a thing. She should be stuck off and made to return all the rabbits, with a full apology and compensation. It's very possible that some of the rabbits will now die, because there were young litters among the ones removed, and also some older rabbits who are now retired from being shown. The stress of being shoved into cardboard boxes alone could have caused some of them too much stress, with a devastating effect.

Rev. Williams, southampton says...
2:55pm Wed 3 Oct 07

I know the family very well, and they are very much aware of the hutch sizes recommended by the BRC. ALL their hutches are recommended sizes. On the day of the raid, most of the rabbits that were claimed to be in the too small hutches, had been taken to a show the day before and were in their small cages used to transport them, NOT the ones they lived in. The woman from the RSPCA was very sneaky, underhand and extremely rude to the family, lauding it over the whole process and showing her ignorance of the subject she claimed to know everything about. Even the vet she brought with her could find no fault with the rabbits saying that they were all perfectly healthy. A lot of the officers there were in sympathy with the family and some even said they really didn't want to be there. It seems that this woman was simply power mad and determined to snatch beloved animals no matter what the cost to the family or even the animals themselves. If I was her boss, she'd be sacked on the spot and made to hand the rabbits back with a very public apology and made to pay compensation out of her own pocket for the stress the family and rabbits endured.

emma halls, millbrook says...
3:06pm Wed 3 Oct 07

The B.R.C.recommends a hutch size. this is not a law. if you knew the family involved you know how much they care and love their rabbits. the children have reared there show rabbits from babies and as the family have been a member of the B.M.C. for over 16 years dont you think they would know the recommendations . the family have a house full of trophies and prizes for their rabbits. Lauren the daughter had been to a show on Sunday and won fifteen rosettes and on Monday that rabbit was one of the ones seized.how must have she felt. how is that fair to the animals and family. the rabbits were taken in smaller cases then they lived in and the family where informed they were to be kept in them overnight as they had nowhere in Hampshire for the rabbits to be take too .This is supposed to be for good for their health. Many of you who live in mill brook will know the rabbits or family as every year they came to Mansel Infants school summer fete. this prove to be a great attraction and many children got close to a rabbit that they may never have got the chance too. The recommendations given to the family by the R.S.P.C.A. thirteen months were met. so the family are not sure why this raid happen.only reason i can give is someone out there have it in for the family. in total seven police officers attended the house to execute the warrant as well as two vets one environmental health officer and the R.S.P.C.A.officer. Why this many police should have to attend when you have a job to get one to come when needed. the whole thing seems to be heavy handed. why could they have not give new recommendation's to the affect of larger hutches and return to ensure that they had done it. what happen to these rabbits now as not to long ago in the echo it was reported that shelter and rescue centers were over run with rabbits. The Rspca should have offered help not snatched and run. 53 of the rabbits were left with the family so they can't be that bad keepers can they.

candyrufus, millbrook says...
3:14pm Wed 3 Oct 07

King Mush wrote:
Shame that the authorities don't instigate a massive raid on Millbrook and get rid of the real vermin.
There is never a cop in millbrook to help with the real vermin but take 7 to execute a warrant they family had a window on their jeep smashed an stones thrown at there windows not 2 weeks ago and the police were called but not one arrived

Kirsty, Redbridge says...
3:15pm Wed 3 Oct 07

There was no need for the RSPCA to approach this the way they did. The family had done everything asked of them the year before and had been told by the RSPCA that things were ok. The complaint was made by an elderly neighbour who lives alone, is an alcoholic , vile nasty man, feared by many as he constantly shouts abuse out of his windows at people. However, for the RSPCA to suddenly turn up at the house at 2.30pm, with vets, environmental health officers, police and a battering ram to knock the door down, was completely over the top. They chose this time to make maximum inpact, knowing that the local school finishes at 3pm and loads of people would see what they were doing. Many of us stood back and watched in horror, unable to do anything to help, while the distraut family were treated like dirt by the woman from the RSPCA who was running the raid. WHY did they need 7 police officers for this raid? When any real crime happens on Millbrook estate, it takes hours for just one to turn up!! The Bundy's poor daughter, 8 year old Lauren came home to find her precious rabbit being taken, even after it had won a large number of rossettes just the previous day! So if show judges thought it was worthy of 15 awards, why did this pompous, power crazy RSPCA officer beleive it was being so badly looked after it had to be taken into care?! And though they took over 70 rabbits from the Bundy family, they left over 50 with them. They couldn't have thought things were that bad could they? The woman was so cold, calculating, vindictive and downright nasty to the family, reducing not only Mrs. Bundy to tears, but some of the people stood helplessly by. Some of the officers there said they didn't want to be there, and everyone agreed all the rabbits were perfectly healthy, even the 2 vets. It was simply that the Gestapo like RSPCA woman couldn't be seen to have got her facts wrong. She wouldn't accept that these show rabbits were being kept in the recomended size cages, and claimed it was LAW for them to be in bigger cages. Did she ever actually read the BRC's information on how to keep and care for show rabbits? No, because then she would have know she was wrong and this travesty wouldn't have happend. She should be fired and made to admit she was wrong and apologise to the family on camera.

Michelle Smith, Eastleigh, Hampshire says...
3:16pm Wed 3 Oct 07

As a BRC member myself I feel very sorry for this family indeed! From the video all rabbits looked healthy, but I do think the hutches looked a little small and did look a bit messy.

However, they are regular showers and breeders and no BRC judge would award a rabbit any prizes if they showed any signs of neglect. The RSPCA are supposed to educate people about animal welfare, not bully them into giving up their hobby and family pets! Leaving them in cardboard boxes in the back of a van overnight? Surely this is neglect! What a bunch of hypocrites!!! How is that making their living conditions any better? Not to mention the stress those rabbits are going to have.
You never hear of the RSPCA rescuing any rabbits that "clueless" individuals have bought as an impulse buy from pets shops do you? Isn't there enough homeless rabbits in rescue centres without adding to them!!!

Mr and Mrs Bundy, I really hope you get this sorted and get your bunnies back. RSPCA can forget my donation this year!!!

animallover2343, Millbrook, Soouthampton says...
3:26pm Wed 3 Oct 07

I'm sorry but no matter how nice this family is or how much they love their rabbits there is NO WAY that any of the houses or gardens on Maplin Road are big enough to house 126 rabbits! (If 73 were taken and 53 were left = 126)
And maybe showing rabbits should be stopped altogether as restricting an animal's natural growth by keeping them in too small a cage is barbaric. In that picture of the family, the hutches look dirty and they look absolutely tiny.
Although I would agree with some of the points made about where the RSPCA intend to house these rabbits and I would also suggest that the family DON'T let their rabbits breed anymore or they'll be in danger of losing the other 53!

King Mush, Woolston says...
3:42pm Wed 3 Oct 07

King Tosh wrote:
King Mush wrote: Shame that the authorities don't instigate a massive raid on Millbrook and get rid of the real vermin.
Hopefully following on from a similar operation in the inbred capital of Southampton...Woolst on
Oi! My sister is very angry about this post. Mind you - she does look very much like my cousins/aunties/gran
ny etc.

Can anyone tell me of any DNA testing labs on this side of the river? Thanks

Jim, Southampton says...
3:47pm Wed 3 Oct 07

126 rabbits is stupid. And it is cruel to keep 126 caged rabbits. They should be taken by the RSPCA and destroyed.

Tom, Soton says...
3:49pm Wed 3 Oct 07

These rabbits are being cared for at a specialist facility, where they have the space, car and clean accommodation they need and deserve, anyone that suggests otherwise is talking rubbish

?, totton says...
3:58pm Wed 3 Oct 07

I assume all you people who dont think the RSPCA should have intervened would be happy to have more than 73 rabbits in your neighbours garden!

I love rabbits, So'ton says...
3:59pm Wed 3 Oct 07

I have one rabbit who is out of her hutch all day and shut away at night. There is never any mess in her cage to clean because she does that outside. These rabbits must be shut away for long periods of time to mess their cages that much.That is cruel to the animal whether its a show rabbit or not.Call that love?, I don't think so. RSPCA were right to remove them and the lady in question was probably rude because she was discusted by what she saw as any true animal lover would be!!! Give her a promotion. Good job done, now get the rest of them!!

Another RSPCA mistake, says...
4:07pm Wed 3 Oct 07

What is going on with the RSPCA these days? They seem to make a lot of mistakes which end up with animals suffering or even dying. I heard about a case in London where a woman reported her cat as lost, it turned out it had been seen in a neighbour's garden - the neighbour was new to the area and thought it was a stray, so called the RSPCA. The inspector came along and without checking with any other local residents to find an owner, put the cat to sleep as it seemed to be in poor health. This cat was just old with a few loose teeth!! The poor owner was devastated. The inspector wasn't even disciplined, nor did she apologise.
You have to wonder whose side these people are on.

Viv Isaakson, says...
4:15pm Wed 3 Oct 07

Tom wrote:
These rabbits are being cared for at a specialist facility, where they have the space, car and clean accommodation they need and deserve, anyone that suggests otherwise is talking rubbish
Oh yeah - the RSPCA have plenty of spaces and accommodation for 73 rabbits to be brought in at once.

Dream on, these will/should be dog food by now.

Adrian Smith, says...
4:21pm Wed 3 Oct 07

Jim wrote:
126 rabbits is stupid. And it is cruel to keep 126 caged rabbits. They should be taken by the RSPCA and destroyed.
Eaten - surely?

Adrian Smith, says...
4:24pm Wed 3 Oct 07

Another RSPCA mistake wrote:
What is going on with the RSPCA these days? They seem to make a lot of mistakes which end up with animals suffering or even dying. I heard about a case in London where a woman reported her cat as lost, it turned out it had been seen in a neighbour's garden - the neighbour was new to the area and thought it was a stray, so called the RSPCA. The inspector came along and without checking with any other local residents to find an owner, put the cat to sleep as it seemed to be in poor health. This cat was just old with a few loose teeth!! The poor owner was devastated. The inspector wasn't even disciplined, nor did she apologise. You have to wonder whose side these people are on.
The RSPCA (and the NSPCC) lost my support a long time ago. Both have lost sight of their objectives and seem to be like the Police is some respects - target based and after the easy wins.

James, Southampton says...
4:40pm Wed 3 Oct 07

I think it is disgusting that these rabbits were kept in such vile living conditions, I think the family should all be made to live in a cramped cupboard in their own filth for a few months like they've imprisoned the poor rabbits. I know very many people who show their rabbits but none keep theirs like this I hope they get their brc membership revoked for bringing shame on the organisation

caroline, hythe says...
4:50pm Wed 3 Oct 07

i am disgusted to the way the RSPCA have handled the matter,what they going to do next come in to everyone garden to see if they got rabbits, with a tape measure to see if there all look/housed properly,i knw the BUNDY family very well when they go away to the show's i go over 2/3 times a day to check on all the animal and believe me they are well and truely looked after. ive had a few rabbits from them. my children love it when they see all the new ones they got.im a big softy too.. so all the ones that havent got a clue especially THAT RSPCA officer should all grow up and get a life and another thing has that officer got animals of her own maybe we should visit her one day see how she looks after them bet she havent crack a smile in years

Rabbit, Southampton says...
5:16pm Wed 3 Oct 07

I wonder did you people see the video and the conditions the rabbits were kept in. There should be a legal limit to how many rabbits these people should have. On looking at the couple they look like they can't look after themselves let alone 126 Rabbits. They look like the usual Millbrook trash.

Rabbit, Southampton says...
5:16pm Wed 3 Oct 07

I wonder did you people see the video and the conditions the rabbits were kept in. There should be a legal limit to how many rabbits these people should have. On looking at the couple they look like they can't look after themselves let alone 126 Rabbits. They look like the usual Millbrook trash.

Rabbit, Southampton says...
5:17pm Wed 3 Oct 07

I wonder did you people see the video and the conditions the rabbits were kept in. There should be a legal limit to how many rabbits these people should have. On looking at the couple they look like they can't look after themselves let alone 126 Rabbits. They look like the usual Millbrook trash.

Sebastian, Littleton says...
5:18pm Wed 3 Oct 07

Tom wrote:
These rabbits are being cared for at a specialist facility, where they have the space, car and clean accommodation they need and deserve, anyone that suggests otherwise is talking rubbish
WTF??? Clean accommodation? Tom, dude, seriously. They're f^*%ing rabbits. What next? A hotel for rabbits, where each room has a sea view? A personal rabbit patio with a miniature rabbit hot tub? How about a dedicated rabbit chef to serve up all their rabbit culinary needs? A rabbit masseuse perhaps? Is that what you want, Tom? I mean, really.

mick, millbrook says...
5:19pm Wed 3 Oct 07

i was acully at the house when the rude happyen.the r.s.p.c.a. orricer was very rude and impolite they wailked into the garden and look at the cages and she said she was taking the rabbits .she was not concern that the rabbits were heathly .they are show rabbits i have been friends with the family more then 5 years and not once have i witness anycreltyto the animals. nor have i every scene them mishreaed.the r.s.p.c.a.were heathly. handed cren the vets said.the rabbits were heaithly the family have worked with the r.s.p.c.a over the last 13 months to do the recommend at tions nrguired .and they have done them.the family have been showing rabbits for over 16 yearthat i no they konw what they are doing .i have two of her rabbits and she has been a great source of help and aduice .my opinion is the r.s.p.c.a. should rerum the rabbits to the family the rabbits were tacken in samall boxes.and kept in these over night how is this good for there heath
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Lizzie Golding, Hythe says...
6:26pm Wed 3 Oct 07

I think that taking the rabbits away from their rightful home is perposterous. Because the rabbits are show rabbits they have to be kept in smaller cages than a normal house rabbit because otherwise the rabbits will grow to long and fat. I know the Bundy family well and i know that the rabbits are kept to a good standard as i regularly have to look after them when some other rabbits are being shown. The rspca cannot suggest that the rabbits are kept in to small cages and not looked after properly because when they were taking the rabbits away instead of picking them up how you should (under there front legs) they picked them up from the scruff of there neck and kept them in boxes during the journey of taking the rabbits to the animal sanctury. THE RABBITS MUST BE GIVEN BACK SO STFU RSPCA.

ANNA, millbrook says...
6:43pm Wed 3 Oct 07

YOU DO NOT NO HER .YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SAY THINGS SHE IS LOVELY THE SAME AS HER FAMILY IS IF YOU DONT COME FROM MILLBROOK YOU DONT NO ---------

bunnyrabbit, hants says...
6:47pm Wed 3 Oct 07

Rabbit's growth and size is genetic,it cannot be determined by the environment it lives in!!!!Restricting size and growth only works for bozai trees. Get real guys!!!!!

Tri-Dutch, Essex says...
6:51pm Wed 3 Oct 07

I know this family very well, and am also a BRC Member. The vast majority of rabbits owned and kept by BRC Members/Breeders are kept in excellent conditions, are super fit healthy stock and are cared for very well. There are also a few Members/Breeders who have stock in poor health and poor conditions, and there are others who fit mid-way. The BRC, as a responsible organisation, has good working system to help find any of its members who are mis-treating animals and has strict procedures in place to deal with them. BRC judges are also very strict about looking for signs of neglect or mal-treatment and any exhibit displaying these signs would be immediately disqualified from the show and a report issued to the BRC so that the BRC can make an investigation and/or involve the RSPCA if necessary. As far as I am aware the Bundy's rabbits have never been disqualified for signs of neglect or mistreatment from ANY show nor has any investigation ever been carried out against them. Obviously the judges have no way of viewing the rabbits in their home living conditions, but it would be very hard to hide signs of neglect on show day if rabbits lived in constant poor conditions. It is also worth noting that rabbits living in constant poor conditions will stop breeding, so the very fact that these rabbits had litters states things can never have become too bad. This coupled with the fact that a number of rabbits were left with the family tells a story of its own.

While I wouldn’t personally keep my own rabbits in hutches quite as small or low as theirs, and would have liked to have seen them a little bit cleaner and tidier, I do not feel this family were being cruel and did NOT deserve this treatment. The hutches were due a clean out I’ll admit, but they were far from filthy conditions, as the rabbit waste had not even begun to get compacted as would happen if a hutch is left dirty for too long. I would guess that the hutch waste pictured amounted to little more than 10 days waste. The average person cleans their rabbit (pet, breeding or show rabbit) out once a week, so there is very little difference there. 120 odd rabbits is a large number, but the Bundy family is also fairly large, so when care is shared among them the work is reduced greatly. Their rabbits are generally healthy and well cared for. Anyone can see the rabbits were in good health from the film, let alone the fact the vets stated it themselves.

The film also does not state the actual sizes of the hutches and I would like to point out that many breeding hutches have very different dimensions to the types of rabbit hutches that can be bought in pet shops. MANY breeders’ hutches are much longer than they are in width, so when viewed from the front only (as the hutches in this film were) they appear to be small. If you were to actually look inside this type of hutch you would see they go a long way back in a sort of ‘tunnel’ style mimicking a wild rabbit’s burrow. This enables the rabbits to hide at the back of the hutch in privacy if they wish to and makes does with litters feel more comfortable. I do not know what style of hutches the Bundy’s used, but would not be surprised if they did have the tunnel style, and their hutches were larger than they appeared to be in the film.

The Bundy’s comment on keeping rabbits in small hutches for the purpose of showing them is slightly incorrect and I’m sure they didn’t mean it as it sounded. After all we’re not all brilliant at saying what we mean when put under pressure and asked for a statement for the media at short notice. Firstly they would have meant some of their rabbits may have been in slightly smaller than normal hutches so they don’t end up too small (not too big as they said). What they will have fully meant is that when rabbits are bred for showing they obviously need to be in absolute tip-top health, for reasons mentioned above, as only rabbits in the best of health and condition will win the highest prizes. In order to ensure young rabbits put on enough weight during their growing period to be fully healthy their exercise might need to be curtailed a LITTLE bit so they don’t exercise off all the calories they need to take in to grow properly. Space is also an issue when breeding does are due to kindle. If the hutch is too large and the doe refuses to use a nest box (many do refuse) then slightly smaller hutches are advisable for the first 3-4 weeks of a young litter’s life. If a young kit falls out of the nest it will probably become cold and die if it can’t find its way back to the nest quickly if the hutch is too large and too much of a ‘maze’ to it. Young rabbits can also become too excitable if given too much free space. It is often advisable not to put very young kits in open exercise runs until they have naturally calmed down a bit (at about 10-12 weeks old) as they can ‘binky’ (jump and flick about in pleasure) and injure their spines. Yes, wild rabbits do have unlimited free space, and yes wild rabbits therefore do run the risk of injury when playing. As responsible owners we should try to reduce the risk of injury when playing surely? To clarify, BRC Members/Breeders DO NOT keep their rabbits in small hutches in order to stop them growing too big for showing purposes. This may have been quoted by the Bundy’s but it was said during a rather stressful and confused time for them!

If the RSPCA really were going to keep these poor animals in boxes over night as they had no room for them then this is appalling treatment! RSPCA cardboard boxes have no way of fixing water to them so do we also assume they were not given access to fresh water all night as well?

The RSPCA really do need to make some sort of apology here especially as the Bundy’s had passed one of their checks not that long before. If the family had put into practice all points ordered of them from their previous RSPCA visit how can this action be justified? If this particular RSPCA officer in charge of the raid felt there was a new problem, surely the family should have been given a chance to rectify it and obtain larger hutches before officers just stormed in and took their animals. I can understand this type of behaviour from the RSPCA if the animals were all distressed, diseased and/or dying but clearly they were not. I think all that was needed here was perhaps a little slap on the wrist and a time limit set to make improvements. Have the RSPCA not made a mountain out of a mole hill and been very unfairly heavy handed in order to make themselves look good? If this is what they were trying to do all they have managed is to make themselves look bad.

ANNA baddams, millbrook says...
7:04pm Wed 3 Oct 07

i pay a lot of money to get my rabbie better but they put it to sleep so i was not happy so what did they do with all the money i pay .did they keep it.......

kt, southampton says...
7:41pm Wed 3 Oct 07

Anyone for rabbit pie?

Robin, says...
7:54pm Wed 3 Oct 07

mick wrote:
i was acully at the house when the rude happyen.the r.s.p.c.a. orricer was very rude and impolite they wailked into the garden and look at the cages and she said she was taking the rabbits .she was not concern that the rabbits were heathly .they are show rabbits i have been friends with the family more then 5 years and not once have i witness anycreltyto the animals. nor have i every scene them mishreaed.the r.s.p.c.a.were heathly. handed cren the vets said.the rabbits were heaithly the family have worked with the r.s.p.c.a over the last 13 months to do the recommend at tions nrguired .and they have done them.the family have been showing rabbits for over 16 yearthat i no they konw what they are doing .i have two of her rabbits and she has been a great source of help and aduice .my opinion is the r.s.p.c.a. should rerum the rabbits to the family the rabbits were tacken in samall boxes.and kept in these over night how is this good for there heath
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Sorry Mick, I didn't catch any of that. Would you mind rephrasing?

gordon, hythe says...
8:03pm Wed 3 Oct 07

as a rabbit lover myself i know that the regulation size that the r.s.p.c.a officer said (3 foot) is wrong because imagan a baby rabbit in there they'd be scared to death what if u stood in the middle of emtpy wembly stadium you'd feel lost .i look after there rabbits with my mum and my sister , the rabbits are looked after,housed,fed,wat

er-d properly

NICK AUSTIN, REDBRIDGE,SOTON says...
8:11pm Wed 3 Oct 07

IVE BEEN INVOLVED IN SHOWING / JUDGING EXHIBITION RABBITS FOR A PERIOD OF NEARLY 30 YEARS NOW ON AND OFF AND HAVE COME ACROSS STOCK FROM THE BUNDY FAMILY AND HAVE FOUND THEM TO BE FIT CLEAN AND HEALTHY JUST CHECK FUR AND FEATHER SHOW REPORTS NOT ALL JUDGES ARE WRONG.IF A RABBIT WAS SHOWN UNDER ME AND IT SHOWED SIGNS OF NEGLECT AS GOES FOR OTHER FELLOW JUDGES IT WOULD BE DISQUALIFIED AND A REASON STATED FOR WHY,NOT ONLY WOULD A JUDGE REPORT A PERSON FOR NEGLET THOUSANDS OF OTHER FANCIERS WOULD AS WELL NOT MR NASTY NIEGHBOUR WITH A GRUDGE I DONT BELIEVE THE BUNDYS HAVE EVER HAD A RABBIT DISQUALIFIED FOR ANY REASON AND THEY SHOW THERE STOCK AS FIT AS FLEAS ON THE DAY. THATS NOT A SIGN OF NEGLET TO ME. AND YOU DONT WIN SHOWS WITH POOR STOCK.... FACT.) NO DOUBT THE YOUNG GIRL VET WAS TRYING TO IMPRESS HER BOSSES BUT SHE DIDNT EVEN KNOW THE BREEDS AND ITS EXPERIANCE THAT TELLS YOU THESE WERE FIT HEATHY RABBITS AND I BELIEVE SHE DIDNT DENIE THIS HERSELF.HER REASONS WERE FOR HUTCH SIZES.WELL I HAVE OFFERED TO SUPPLY THE BUNDYS BRAND NEW LARGER BLOCKS FREE OF CHARGE SO THEY CAN CONTINUE WITH THIER HOBBY,THESE ARE A NICE FAMILY WHO DOESNT DERSERVE THIS.

dawn bundy, millbrook says...
8:49pm Wed 3 Oct 07

i am the owner of all these rabbits and my rabbits are healthy, well cared for, never ever been put of the judgingt table for ill health, or anything,or evehn been asked to box up at shows. If you are not a breeder or a member of the brc then you havent got a clue about rabbits. I suggest if you dont know anything about the brc then keep out of this.the rspca had no right what so ever to take my buns and to see a so called vet actually hold a rabbit by the sruff of the neck was heartbreaking. They actually made the rabbits squeal with pain. My 8 yr old daughter knows more about rabbits then this vet did. Thanks for all the nice comments and support it is appreciated.

ANNA, millbrook says...
9:25pm Wed 3 Oct 07

WELL DONE FOR SAY WHAT YOU HAVE DAWN

Linda D, Gloucester says...
9:29pm Wed 3 Oct 07

I am appalled the size of those hutches which also looked filthy. People keeping rabbits (or any other animals) must take care of their welfare needs and no rabbit could move around freely or exercise when confined to such a cramped cage. Disgusting - and well done to the RSPCA for acting upon this. I hope they are able to find suitable loving homes for those rescued rabbits who will be properly cared for.

But what happens to the remaining 50+ rabbits left with the family?? Do they remain in those tiny prisonlike cells they appear to find acceptable?

Shocking and disgusting for a nation of supposed animal lovers.