Barton Farm development 'inevitable'
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THE future of a much-loved piece of Hampshire countryside is in jeopardy.
Housing bosses have revealed they may have no option but to build hundreds of houses on land at Barton Farm.
Winchester City Council planning chief Steve Tilbury warned the demand for 12,000 new homes leaves "no option" other than to develop green fields on the edge of the city.
He said draft proposals currently out for public consultation earmarked Barton Farm.
Speaking at a meeting of the Dever Society in Micheldever Station, Mr Tilbury said the council had to provide land for 12,200 new homes by 2026.
He said: "It is a difficult message for Barton Farm. Quite frankly, we don't see any other option for meeting those numbers."
Gavin Blackman, chairman of the Save Barton Farm Group, said the comments showed the public consultation was "a sham".
"From what he is saying, it is a done deal," he said.
"To come out now and put Barton Farm back in the firing line is unjustified. We were supposed to be in consultation so Mr Tilbury's comments are completely mad."
At the meeting Mr Tilbury expressed support for the campaign against an eco-town at Micheldever Station.
He said the council did not support "in any shape or form" Eagle Star Estate's proposals for 12,500 homes.
The Dever Society, which campaigns against the scheme, has spent £20,000 on a hard-hitting report prepared by Hampshire-based White Young and Green objecting to the proposals.
The report was biked to Hazel Blears, Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government, who is currently considering 57 different proposals for eco-towns across the country.
The society received a letter this week from a Government official saying the issues and concerns it had raised were being considered. A decision is expected late next month.
Khalid Aziz, society chairman, launched an appeal at the annual meeting for new members and donations.
Mr Aziz said: "We are going to shout on your behalf but we need your support."
Council leader George Beckett said although city planners were proposing Barton Farm, it was not set in stone.
"We are inviting alternative options from the public. It is important to us that people don't think we are offering Hobson's choice."
- The city council's consultation on the local development framework ends on February 15. To fill in the questionnaire see www.winchester.gov.uk or call 01962 840222. The council will also consider letters.
7:01am Thursday 31st January 2008
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CommentPosted by: Denzil, work on 7:59am Thu 31 Jan 08
These people are being selfish beyond belief. Think off the homeless and first time buyers who could move into these homes. I hope they can sleep at night.
These people are being selfish beyond belief. Think off the homeless and first time buyers who could move into these homes. I hope they can sleep at night.
Posted by: Keith, New Forest on 8:03am Thu 31 Jan 08
Typical, the government are filling the country up to the hilt with immigrants and now they're building on our sacred green land. England will be a horrible place to live in 20 years. Like Tokyo
Typical, the government are filling the country up to the hilt with immigrants and now they're building on our sacred green land. England will be a horrible place to live in 20 years. Like Tokyo
Posted by: Denzil, work on 8:12am Thu 31 Jan 08
The question is, do we really need this smelly farm? No. We need more houses and flats for first time buyers and poor families.
The question is, do we really need this smelly farm? No. We need more houses and flats for first time buyers and poor families.
Posted by: hmm on 8:18am Thu 31 Jan 08
I told you this would happend from day one
Move onto your next project NIMBYS
I told you this would happend from day one
Move onto your next project NIMBYS
Posted by: Adrian Smith on 8:23am Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Keith[/bold] wrote:
Typical, the government are filling the country up to the hilt with immigrants and now they're building on our sacred green land. England will be a horrible place to live in 20 years. Like Tokyo[/quote] This Government (and the one before) agreed to an open market which included the free movement of labour. These people are coming to the UK (and specifically the South East) because we speak English (normally their second language) and have plenty of low paid jobs available.
I don't blame them for coming.
Have no knowledge of Tokyo.
Keith wrote:
Typical, the government are filling the country up to the hilt with immigrants and now they're building on our sacred green land. England will be a horrible place to live in 20 years. Like Tokyo
This Government (and the one before) agreed to an open market which included the free movement of labour. These people are coming to the UK (and specifically the South East) because we speak English (normally their second language) and have plenty of low paid jobs available.
I don't blame them for coming.
Have no knowledge of Tokyo.
Posted by: NIMBY, Soton on 8:28am Thu 31 Jan 08
When will you people realise that you're turning this country into a sprawling housing estate. I'm off to Aussie land before the UK turns into a complete hell hole full of yobs. The countryside is an asset, you're turning it into concrete, shame on you!! IF you build roads you get more traffic, the same applies to housing stock. We have houses in this country, it's population control we need!! 120million people by 2060!!! What fun! England green and pleasant land, what a joke.
When will you people realise that you're turning this country into a sprawling housing estate. I'm off to Aussie land before the UK turns into a complete hell hole full of yobs. The countryside is an asset, you're turning it into concrete, shame on you!! IF you build roads you get more traffic, the same applies to housing stock. We have houses in this country, it's population control we need!! 120million people by 2060!!! What fun! England green and pleasant land, what a joke.
Posted by: Keith, New Forest on 8:32am Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Adrian Smith[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Keith[/bold] wrote: Typical, the government are filling the country up to the hilt with immigrants and now they\'re building on our sacred green land. England will be a horrible place to live in 20 years. Like Tokyo[/quote] This Government (and the one before) agreed to an open market which included the free movement of labour. These people are coming to the UK (and specifically the South East) because we speak English (normally their second language) and have plenty of low paid jobs available. I don\'t blame them for coming. Have no knowledge of Tokyo.[/quote] Tokyo has a population density of about 2000 people per km square, Now you need to know all there is worth knowing about Tokyo.
Adrian Smith wrote:
Keith wrote: Typical, the government are filling the country up to the hilt with immigrants and now they\'re building on our sacred green land. England will be a horrible place to live in 20 years. Like Tokyo
This Government (and the one before) agreed to an open market which included the free movement of labour. These people are coming to the UK (and specifically the South East) because we speak English (normally their second language) and have plenty of low paid jobs available. I don\'t blame them for coming. Have no knowledge of Tokyo.
Tokyo has a population density of about 2000 people per km square, Now you need to know all there is worth knowing about Tokyo.
Posted by: hmm on 8:33am Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote][bold]NIMBY[/bold] wrote:
When will you people realise that you're turning this country into a
sprawling housing estate. I'm off to Aussie land before the UK turns
into a complete hell hole full of yobs. The countryside is an asset,
you're turning it into concrete, shame on you!! IF you build roads you
get more traffic, the same applies to housing stock. We have houses in
this country, it's population control we need!! 120million people by
2060!!! What fun! England green and pleasant land, what a joke.[/quote] People moan about flats in towns, and houses out of town, what do you suggest
NIMBY wrote:
When will you people realise that you're turning this country into a
sprawling housing estate. I'm off to Aussie land before the UK turns
into a complete hell hole full of yobs. The countryside is an asset,
you're turning it into concrete, shame on you!! IF you build roads you
get more traffic, the same applies to housing stock. We have houses in
this country, it's population control we need!! 120million people by
2060!!! What fun! England green and pleasant land, what a joke.
People moan about flats in towns, and houses out of town, what do you suggest
Posted by: Grim reaper on 8:37am Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote][bold]hmm[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]NIMBY[/bold] wrote: When will you people realise that you're turning this country into a sprawling housing estate. I'm off to Aussie land before the UK turns into a complete hell hole full of yobs. The countryside is an asset, you're turning it into concrete, shame on you!! IF you build roads you get more traffic, the same applies to housing stock. We have houses in this country, it's population control we need!! 120million people by 2060!!! What fun! England green and pleasant land, what a joke.[/quote] People moan about flats in towns, and houses out of town, what do you suggest[/quote] Stop all work on a cure for the next pandemic?
Still there will be planning issues with burying all the bodies.
hmm wrote:
NIMBY wrote: When will you people realise that you're turning this country into a sprawling housing estate. I'm off to Aussie land before the UK turns into a complete hell hole full of yobs. The countryside is an asset, you're turning it into concrete, shame on you!! IF you build roads you get more traffic, the same applies to housing stock. We have houses in this country, it's population control we need!! 120million people by 2060!!! What fun! England green and pleasant land, what a joke.
People moan about flats in towns, and houses out of town, what do you suggest
Stop all work on a cure for the next pandemic?
Still there will be planning issues with burying all the bodies.
Posted by: NIMBY, Soton on 8:40am Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote][bold]hmm[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]NIMBY[/bold] wrote: When will you people realise that you're turning this country into a sprawling housing estate. I'm off to Aussie land before the UK turns into a complete hell hole full of yobs. The countryside is an asset, you're turning it into concrete, shame on you!! IF you build roads you get more traffic, the same applies to housing stock. We have houses in this country, it's population control we need!! 120million people by 2060!!! What fun! England green and pleasant land, what a joke.[/quote] People moan about flats in towns, and houses out of town, what do you suggest[/quote] Perhaps an epidemic, perhaps bird flu. Seriously though I really believe that the lefty government will sell this country's assets to the dogs. The countryside is the jewell in the crown. I suggest that we control demographics. This is a small island - NEw Labour are ruining it.
hmm wrote:
NIMBY wrote: When will you people realise that you're turning this country into a sprawling housing estate. I'm off to Aussie land before the UK turns into a complete hell hole full of yobs. The countryside is an asset, you're turning it into concrete, shame on you!! IF you build roads you get more traffic, the same applies to housing stock. We have houses in this country, it's population control we need!! 120million people by 2060!!! What fun! England green and pleasant land, what a joke.
People moan about flats in towns, and houses out of town, what do you suggest
Perhaps an epidemic, perhaps bird flu. Seriously though I really believe that the lefty government will sell this country's assets to the dogs. The countryside is the jewell in the crown. I suggest that we control demographics. This is a small island - NEw Labour are ruining it.
Posted by: John, Pompy on 8:41am Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Grim reaper[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]hmm[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]NIMBY[/bold] wrote: When will you people realise that you're turning this country into a sprawling housing estate. I'm off to Aussie land before the UK turns into a complete hell hole full of yobs. The countryside is an asset, you're turning it into concrete, shame on you!! IF you build roads you get more traffic, the same applies to housing stock. We have houses in this country, it's population control we need!! 120million people by 2060!!! What fun! England green and pleasant land, what a joke.[/quote] People moan about flats in towns, and houses out of town, what do you suggest[/quote] Stop all work on a cure for the next pandemic? Still there will be planning issues with burying all the bodies.[/quote] Burn baby burn.
Grim reaper wrote:
hmm wrote: NIMBY wrote: When will you people realise that you're turning this country into a sprawling housing estate. I'm off to Aussie land before the UK turns into a complete hell hole full of yobs. The countryside is an asset, you're turning it into concrete, shame on you!! IF you build roads you get more traffic, the same applies to housing stock. We have houses in this country, it's population control we need!! 120million people by 2060!!! What fun! England green and pleasant land, what a joke.
People moan about flats in towns, and houses out of town, what do you suggest
Stop all work on a cure for the next pandemic? Still there will be planning issues with burying all the bodies.
Burn baby burn.
Posted by: Jules, Soton on 8:47am Thu 31 Jan 08
The oil in the world is going to be running out over the next few years so there won't be any hope for the likes of first time buyers, yet alone trying to pay towards mortgages and heating. This country is finished anyway so why bother moaning?
The oil in the world is going to be running out over the next few years so there won't be any hope for the likes of first time buyers, yet alone trying to pay towards mortgages and heating. This country is finished anyway so why bother moaning?
Posted by: toxteth o'grady on 8:50am Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote][bold]hmm[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]NIMBY[/bold] wrote: When will you people realise that you're turning this country into a sprawling housing estate. I'm off to Aussie land before the UK turns into a complete hell hole full of yobs. The countryside is an asset, you're turning it into concrete, shame on you!! IF you build roads you get more traffic, the same applies to housing stock. We have houses in this country, it's population control we need!! 120million people by 2060!!! What fun! England green and pleasant land, what a joke.[/quote] People moan about flats in towns, and houses out of town, what do you suggest[/quote] Answer...close the doors on the thousands & thousands of immigrants that add NOTHING to this country...except burden the NHS (1 in 4 new babies are born to immigrants !!!!), clog up the roads, claim every benefit going & creating the need to bulldoze down our once beautiful countryside.
As another poster said, this great country is going down the toilet...I am not being racist, far from it, but I just want MY England back
hmm wrote:
NIMBY wrote: When will you people realise that you're turning this country into a sprawling housing estate. I'm off to Aussie land before the UK turns into a complete hell hole full of yobs. The countryside is an asset, you're turning it into concrete, shame on you!! IF you build roads you get more traffic, the same applies to housing stock. We have houses in this country, it's population control we need!! 120million people by 2060!!! What fun! England green and pleasant land, what a joke.
People moan about flats in towns, and houses out of town, what do you suggest
Answer...close the doors on the thousands & thousands of immigrants that add NOTHING to this country...except burden the NHS (1 in 4 new babies are born to immigrants !!!!), clog up the roads, claim every benefit going & creating the need to bulldoze down our once beautiful countryside.
As another poster said, this great country is going down the toilet...I am not being racist, far from it, but I just want MY England back
Posted by: Adrian Smith on 8:56am Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Jules[/bold] wrote:
The oil in the world is going to be running out over the next few years so there won't be any hope for the likes of first time buyers, yet alone trying to pay towards mortgages and heating. This country is finished anyway so why bother moaning?[/quote] The trouble with your argument is that there is no shortage of oil - in fact "peak oil" dates just keep getting pushed further and further into the future.
Jules wrote:
The oil in the world is going to be running out over the next few years so there won't be any hope for the likes of first time buyers, yet alone trying to pay towards mortgages and heating. This country is finished anyway so why bother moaning?
The trouble with your argument is that there is no shortage of oil - in fact "peak oil" dates just keep getting pushed further and further into the future.
Posted by: James, Bedford on 9:01am Thu 31 Jan 08
Why not keep the farm working and employ 55,000 immigrant farm workers there, all tending the land and bringing in the sheaths. SAVE THE CHICKENS AND DUCKS TO MANAGE THE FARM. Job done. JESUS SAVES
Why not keep the farm working and employ 55,000 immigrant farm workers there, all tending the land and bringing in the sheaths. SAVE THE CHICKENS AND DUCKS TO MANAGE THE FARM. Job done. JESUS SAVES
Posted by: Jules, Soton on 10:15am Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Adrian Smith[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Jules[/bold] wrote: The oil in the world is going to be running out over the next few years so there won't be any hope for the likes of first time buyers, yet alone trying to pay towards mortgages and heating. This country is finished anyway so why bother moaning?[/quote] The trouble with your argument is that there is no shortage of oil - in fact "peak oil" dates just keep getting pushed further and further into the future.[/quote] Think what you like Adrian you f**k!
Adrian Smith wrote:
Jules wrote: The oil in the world is going to be running out over the next few years so there won't be any hope for the likes of first time buyers, yet alone trying to pay towards mortgages and heating. This country is finished anyway so why bother moaning?
The trouble with your argument is that there is no shortage of oil - in fact "peak oil" dates just keep getting pushed further and further into the future.
Think what you like Adrian you f**k!
Posted by: Libertarian, Winchester on 10:45am Thu 31 Jan 08
I have been a Winchester resident all my life, a first time buyer closed out of the housing market by the influx of London Commuters, and the usual buy-to-let plague. The real answer to the problem is putting limits on these two groups.
BUT I have been waiting for years for this Barton Farm development to get the go-ahead and I care not-a-jot for the protesting NIMBYs, this is a prime location on the edge of the city perfect for developing the homes we so desperately need.
True, we need to protect our countryside, and the green areas shared and enjoyed by all of us and hopefully our children too, but this is not really one of those - it is an old farm that would be more productive as an estate such as the ones that surround it.
I have been a Winchester resident all my life, a first time buyer closed out of the housing market by the influx of London Commuters, and the usual buy-to-let plague. The real answer to the problem is putting limits on these two groups.
BUT I have been waiting for years for this Barton Farm development to get the go-ahead and I care not-a-jot for the protesting NIMBYs, this is a prime location on the edge of the city perfect for developing the homes we so desperately need.
True, we need to protect our countryside, and the green areas shared and enjoyed by all of us and hopefully our children too, but this is not really one of those - it is an old farm that would be more productive as an estate such as the ones that surround it.
Posted by: Des Parrot, Strangeways on 10:53am Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Jules[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Adrian Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Jules[/bold] wrote: The oil in the world is going to be running out over the next few years so there won't be any hope for the likes of first time buyers, yet alone trying to pay towards mortgages and heating. This country is finished anyway so why bother moaning?[/quote] The trouble with your argument is that there is no shortage of oil - in fact "peak oil" dates just keep getting pushed further and further into the future.[/quote] Think what you like Adrian you f**k![/quote] Bit unnecessary Jules. Adrians comment is valid as is much of your's regarding F T Buyers. Oil or not, this country has numerous issues that need solving lest everything goes completely pear shaped
Jules wrote:
Adrian Smith wrote: Jules wrote: The oil in the world is going to be running out over the next few years so there won't be any hope for the likes of first time buyers, yet alone trying to pay towards mortgages and heating. This country is finished anyway so why bother moaning?
The trouble with your argument is that there is no shortage of oil - in fact "peak oil" dates just keep getting pushed further and further into the future.
Think what you like Adrian you f**k!
Bit unnecessary Jules. Adrians comment is valid as is much of your's regarding F T Buyers. Oil or not, this country has numerous issues that need solving lest everything goes completely pear shaped
Posted by: Julian Markham-Hayes, West Stratton / Kensington on 10:58am Thu 31 Jan 08
I am particularly pleased that this issue will finally have a positive outcome. Good buy-to-let stock around the Winchester area has rather diminished. This development will enable my partner and I to increase our portfolio but also provide good rental accomodation for residents in the surrounding areas.
I am particularly pleased that this issue will finally have a positive outcome. Good buy-to-let stock around the Winchester area has rather diminished. This development will enable my partner and I to increase our portfolio but also provide good rental accomodation for residents in the surrounding areas.
Posted by: Boo hoo on 11:16am Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote]I'm off to Aussie land before the UK turns into a complete hell hole full of yobs.[/quote] Ah...moving to Australia to avoid a hell hole full of yobs. Frying pan...fire....
The idea the country is being sold out by Labour is a joke - they've certainly carried on this reckless behaviour but it was started a long time ago by the Tories. And both of them have been helped by business hollowing out all our industrial assets and turning us into a client state of China.
I'm off to Aussie land before the UK turns into a complete hell hole full of yobs.
Ah...moving to Australia to avoid a hell hole full of yobs. Frying pan...fire....
The idea the country is being sold out by Labour is a joke - they've certainly carried on this reckless behaviour but it was started a long time ago by the Tories. And both of them have been helped by business hollowing out all our industrial assets and turning us into a client state of China.
Posted by: hmm on 11:22am Thu 31 Jan 08
THe best bit is most of it will be given to the social housing lot!
THe best bit is most of it will be given to the social housing lot!
Posted by: Shoon, Winchester on 11:31am Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Libertarian[/bold] wrote:
I have been a Winchester resident all my life, a first time buyer closed out of the housing market by the influx of London Commuters, and the usual buy-to-let plague. The real answer to the problem is putting limits on these two groups. BUT I have been waiting for years for this Barton Farm development to get the go-ahead and I care not-a-jot for the protesting NIMBYs, this is a prime location on the edge of the city perfect for developing the homes we so desperately need. True, we need to protect our countryside, and the green areas shared and enjoyed by all of us and hopefully our children too, but this is not really one of those - it is an old farm that would be more productive as an estate such as the ones that surround it.[/quote] Couldn't agree more.
I'm 30 & have no chance of being able to live in my hometown thanks to buy-to-letters & NIMBYS, who conviniently forget that once the houses they occupy were green fields as well.
They are an incredibly short sighted & selfish group of people, who care only for the price of the already massively inflated value of their homes & the fact they may have to suffer some new neighbours. To me they come across to the point of xenophobic, but to fellow Wintonians! Or would they rather see the young people of Winchester leave in droves for the development to go ahead anyway but to be then filled with non-Wintonains or (god forbid!) foreigners!
It is an old & neglected farm which I don't see making any money.
BUILD ON BARTON FARM NOW!
Libertarian wrote:
I have been a Winchester resident all my life, a first time buyer closed out of the housing market by the influx of London Commuters, and the usual buy-to-let plague. The real answer to the problem is putting limits on these two groups. BUT I have been waiting for years for this Barton Farm development to get the go-ahead and I care not-a-jot for the protesting NIMBYs, this is a prime location on the edge of the city perfect for developing the homes we so desperately need. True, we need to protect our countryside, and the green areas shared and enjoyed by all of us and hopefully our children too, but this is not really one of those - it is an old farm that would be more productive as an estate such as the ones that surround it.
Couldn't agree more.
I'm 30 & have no chance of being able to live in my hometown thanks to buy-to-letters & NIMBYS, who conviniently forget that once the houses they occupy were green fields as well.
They are an incredibly short sighted & selfish group of people, who care only for the price of the already massively inflated value of their homes & the fact they may have to suffer some new neighbours. To me they come across to the point of xenophobic, but to fellow Wintonians! Or would they rather see the young people of Winchester leave in droves for the development to go ahead anyway but to be then filled with non-Wintonains or (god forbid!) foreigners!
It is an old & neglected farm which I don't see making any money.
BUILD ON BARTON FARM NOW!
Posted by: Anon, winchester on 11:31am Thu 31 Jan 08
I really don't see why the Ecotown should not go ahead at Micheldever, they have a train station and would help put some much needed regeneration into the village. The Andover Road in Winchester is having so many new houses built off from it, this will create more of a traffic nightmare. Its all very well for people to have a home but us dog walkers need somewhere to walk. As for them being affordable homes what a joke there are a hell of a lot of people on less that £20k a year either stuck at home with parents or unable to move up the ladder. Bring back more council housing and Micheldever please ?
I really don't see why the Ecotown should not go ahead at Micheldever, they have a train station and would help put some much needed regeneration into the village. The Andover Road in Winchester is having so many new houses built off from it, this will create more of a traffic nightmare. Its all very well for people to have a home but us dog walkers need somewhere to walk. As for them being affordable homes what a joke there are a hell of a lot of people on less that £20k a year either stuck at home with parents or unable to move up the ladder. Bring back more council housing and Micheldever please ?
Posted by: Libertarian, Winchester on 11:48am Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Julian Markham-Hayes[/bold] wrote:
I am particularly pleased that this issue will finally have a positive outcome. Good buy-to-let stock around the Winchester area has rather diminished. This development will enable my partner and I to increase our portfolio but also provide good rental accomodation for residents in the surrounding areas. [/quote] Go home idiot - YOU ARE THE PROBLEM
Julian Markham-Hayes wrote:
I am particularly pleased that this issue will finally have a positive outcome. Good buy-to-let stock around the Winchester area has rather diminished. This development will enable my partner and I to increase our portfolio but also provide good rental accomodation for residents in the surrounding areas.
Go home idiot - YOU ARE THE PROBLEM
Posted by: Shoon, Winch on 11:50am Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote:
I really don't see why the Ecotown should not go ahead at Micheldever, they have a train station and would help put some much needed regeneration into the village. The Andover Road in Winchester is having so many new houses built off from it, this will create more of a traffic nightmare. Its all very well for people to have a home but us dog walkers need somewhere to walk. As for them being affordable homes what a joke there are a hell of a lot of people on less that £20k a year either stuck at home with parents or unable to move up the ladder. Bring back more council housing and Micheldever please ?[/quote] Ah yes, dog walkers, we seem to have forgotten about them! How could we! For shame!
Yes, let's stop the whole thing because you won't have anywhere to walk your dog.
Lord, Give me strength...
Anon wrote:
I really don't see why the Ecotown should not go ahead at Micheldever, they have a train station and would help put some much needed regeneration into the village. The Andover Road in Winchester is having so many new houses built off from it, this will create more of a traffic nightmare. Its all very well for people to have a home but us dog walkers need somewhere to walk. As for them being affordable homes what a joke there are a hell of a lot of people on less that £20k a year either stuck at home with parents or unable to move up the ladder. Bring back more council housing and Micheldever please ?
Ah yes, dog walkers, we seem to have forgotten about them! How could we! For shame!
Yes, let's stop the whole thing because you won't have anywhere to walk your dog.
Lord, Give me strength...
Posted by: Troll, Under the Itchen Bridge on 12:02pm Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Libertarian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Julian Markham-Hayes[/bold] wrote: I am particularly pleased that this issue will finally have a positive outcome. Good buy-to-let stock around the Winchester area has rather diminished. This development will enable my partner and I to increase our portfolio but also provide good rental accomodation for residents in the surrounding areas. [/quote] Go home idiot - YOU ARE THE PROBLEM[/quote] I think he was a Troll...
Libertarian wrote:
Julian Markham-Hayes wrote: I am particularly pleased that this issue will finally have a positive outcome. Good buy-to-let stock around the Winchester area has rather diminished. This development will enable my partner and I to increase our portfolio but also provide good rental accomodation for residents in the surrounding areas.
Go home idiot - YOU ARE THE PROBLEM
I think he was a Troll...
Posted by: Langrish, Hampshire on 12:23pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Why not exclude all London and Surrey out-movers by branding them with an 'S' on the forehead.
That way we would not need to serve them in the shops or accommodate them in Hampshire schools and hospitals etc.
Of course we should have done this in 1968 before the railway was electrified to Winchester and before the M3 was built.
That way we could have kept the riff-raff out and avoided the hopeless escalation in Winchester and broader Hampshire house prices.
Woking and other Surrey towns have nice homes and more could be crammed in. Why don't people stay where they belong? They know they are making the place nastier.
Why not exclude all London and Surrey out-movers by branding them with an 'S' on the forehead.
That way we would not need to serve them in the shops or accommodate them in Hampshire schools and hospitals etc.
Of course we should have done this in 1968 before the railway was electrified to Winchester and before the M3 was built.
That way we could have kept the riff-raff out and avoided the hopeless escalation in Winchester and broader Hampshire house prices.
Woking and other Surrey towns have nice homes and more could be crammed in. Why don't people stay where they belong? They know they are making the place nastier.
Posted by: David, Winchester on 2:17pm Thu 31 Jan 08
I have spent the last 20 mins, scanning these posts looking for something that might be interesting, valuable or of any merit at all.
There were not many that fitted all the criteria.
Barton farm should be developed for the council, and the properties there should be council houses... Not for single mothers that automatically leap frog the people who have been on the list for 5+ years.. but for decent, hardworking people who have jobs and want to feel the security that everyone else seems to have the right too... I dont mind if the houses are occupied by foreigners.. as long as those foreigners are in a house suited to the number of them there are, and they are also hardworking, people.
In the current environment, hardworking people and especially single males are counted as not as important as single females, whose only contribution to society is to push one out.. and i fail to believe that single girls who supposedly get higher grades havent heard of birth control... well being stupid is not an employment path the government should be encouraging... but this is non-PC and we will continue to house and give benefits to any young girl that cant keep there legs closed.
We need more houses... for those that are hardworking and merit it..
I have spent the last 20 mins, scanning these posts looking for something that might be interesting, valuable or of any merit at all.
There were not many that fitted all the criteria.
Barton farm should be developed for the council, and the properties there should be council houses... Not for single mothers that automatically leap frog the people who have been on the list for 5+ years.. but for decent, hardworking people who have jobs and want to feel the security that everyone else seems to have the right too... I dont mind if the houses are occupied by foreigners.. as long as those foreigners are in a house suited to the number of them there are, and they are also hardworking, people.
In the current environment, hardworking people and especially single males are counted as not as important as single females, whose only contribution to society is to push one out.. and i fail to believe that single girls who supposedly get higher grades havent heard of birth control... well being stupid is not an employment path the government should be encouraging... but this is non-PC and we will continue to house and give benefits to any young girl that cant keep there legs closed.
We need more houses... for those that are hardworking and merit it..
Posted by: Shoon on 2:19pm Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote][bold]David[/bold] wrote:
I have spent the last 20 mins, scanning these posts looking for something that might be interesting, valuable or of any merit at all. There were not many that fitted all the criteria. Barton farm should be developed for the council, and the properties there should be council houses... Not for single mothers that automatically leap frog the people who have been on the list for 5+ years.. but for decent, hardworking people who have jobs and want to feel the security that everyone else seems to have the right too... I dont mind if the houses are occupied by foreigners.. as long as those foreigners are in a house suited to the number of them there are, and they are also hardworking, people. In the current environment, hardworking people and especially single males are counted as not as important as single females, whose only contribution to society is to push one out.. and i fail to believe that single girls who supposedly get higher grades havent heard of birth control... well being stupid is not an employment path the government should be encouraging... but this is non-PC and we will continue to house and give benefits to any young girl that cant keep there legs closed. We need more houses... for those that are hardworking and merit it.. [/quote] Here here !!!
David wrote:
I have spent the last 20 mins, scanning these posts looking for something that might be interesting, valuable or of any merit at all. There were not many that fitted all the criteria. Barton farm should be developed for the council, and the properties there should be council houses... Not for single mothers that automatically leap frog the people who have been on the list for 5+ years.. but for decent, hardworking people who have jobs and want to feel the security that everyone else seems to have the right too... I dont mind if the houses are occupied by foreigners.. as long as those foreigners are in a house suited to the number of them there are, and they are also hardworking, people. In the current environment, hardworking people and especially single males are counted as not as important as single females, whose only contribution to society is to push one out.. and i fail to believe that single girls who supposedly get higher grades havent heard of birth control... well being stupid is not an employment path the government should be encouraging... but this is non-PC and we will continue to house and give benefits to any young girl that cant keep there legs closed. We need more houses... for those that are hardworking and merit it..
Here here !!!
Posted by: Anon, winchester on 2:42pm Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Shoon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote: I really don\'t see why the Ecotown should not go ahead at Micheldever, they have a train station and would help put some much needed regeneration into the village. The Andover Road in Winchester is having so many new houses built off from it, this will create more of a traffic nightmare. Its all very well for people to have a home but us dog walkers need somewhere to walk. As for them being affordable homes what a joke there are a hell of a lot of people on less that £20k a year either stuck at home with parents or unable to move up the ladder. Bring back more council housing and Micheldever please ?[/quote] Ah yes, dog walkers, we seem to have forgotten about them! How could we! For shame! Yes, let\'s stop the whole thing because you won\'t have anywhere to walk your dog. Lord, Give me strength...[/quote] Ah yes, dog owners do need somewhere to take their dogs out they also want a place for their children to run around and learn about nature and somewhere for ourselves to enjoy a bit of the countryside. My main point was why are the villages getting left alone and city's and towns getting over built - never mind.
Council houses are for all those who need one, especially family units. Im sure any single mums will tell you that there is a bit more to it than pushing one out. As and older mum and married I feel sorry for them if that is the only reason they had a child to get a house, christ that will be the least of their concerns.
Shoon wrote:
Anon wrote: I really don\'t see why the Ecotown should not go ahead at Micheldever, they have a train station and would help put some much needed regeneration into the village. The Andover Road in Winchester is having so many new houses built off from it, this will create more of a traffic nightmare. Its all very well for people to have a home but us dog walkers need somewhere to walk. As for them being affordable homes what a joke there are a hell of a lot of people on less that £20k a year either stuck at home with parents or unable to move up the ladder. Bring back more council housing and Micheldever please ?
Ah yes, dog walkers, we seem to have forgotten about them! How could we! For shame! Yes, let\'s stop the whole thing because you won\'t have anywhere to walk your dog. Lord, Give me strength...
Ah yes, dog owners do need somewhere to take their dogs out they also want a place for their children to run around and learn about nature and somewhere for ourselves to enjoy a bit of the countryside. My main point was why are the villages getting left alone and city's and towns getting over built - never mind.
Council houses are for all those who need one, especially family units. Im sure any single mums will tell you that there is a bit more to it than pushing one out. As and older mum and married I feel sorry for them if that is the only reason they had a child to get a house, christ that will be the least of their concerns.
Posted by: Shoon on 3:22pm Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Shoon[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote: I really don\'t see why the Ecotown should not go ahead at Micheldever, they have a train station and would help put some much needed regeneration into the village. The Andover Road in Winchester is having so many new houses built off from it, this will create more of a traffic nightmare. Its all very well for people to have a home but us dog walkers need somewhere to walk. As for them being affordable homes what a joke there are a hell of a lot of people on less that £20k a year either stuck at home with parents or unable to move up the ladder. Bring back more council housing and Micheldever please ?[/quote] Ah yes, dog walkers, we seem to have forgotten about them! How could we! For shame! Yes, let\'s stop the whole thing because you won\'t have anywhere to walk your dog. Lord, Give me strength...[/quote] Ah yes, dog owners do need somewhere to take their dogs out they also want a place for their children to run around and learn about nature and somewhere for ourselves to enjoy a bit of the countryside. My main point was why are the villages getting left alone and city's and towns getting over built - never mind. Council houses are for all those who need one, especially family units. Im sure any single mums will tell you that there is a bit more to it than pushing one out. As and older mum and married I feel sorry for them if that is the only reason they had a child to get a house, christ that will be the least of their concerns. [/quote] 'Im sure any single mums will tell you that there is a bit more to it than pushing one out'
Sorry, this is [italic]exactly[/italic] what I see in Winchester everyday. They are pushing them out in order to obtain free houses. They make a career out of obtaining larger houses the more illeligitamate spawn they push out.
Your comment is admirable but unfortunately mis-guided.
Anon wrote:
Shoon wrote: Anon wrote: I really don\'t see why the Ecotown should not go ahead at Micheldever, they have a train station and would help put some much needed regeneration into the village. The Andover Road in Winchester is having so many new houses built off from it, this will create more of a traffic nightmare. Its all very well for people to have a home but us dog walkers need somewhere to walk. As for them being affordable homes what a joke there are a hell of a lot of people on less that £20k a year either stuck at home with parents or unable to move up the ladder. Bring back more council housing and Micheldever please ?
Ah yes, dog walkers, we seem to have forgotten about them! How could we! For shame! Yes, let\'s stop the whole thing because you won\'t have anywhere to walk your dog. Lord, Give me strength...
Ah yes, dog owners do need somewhere to take their dogs out they also want a place for their children to run around and learn about nature and somewhere for ourselves to enjoy a bit of the countryside. My main point was why are the villages getting left alone and city's and towns getting over built - never mind. Council houses are for all those who need one, especially family units. Im sure any single mums will tell you that there is a bit more to it than pushing one out. As and older mum and married I feel sorry for them if that is the only reason they had a child to get a house, christ that will be the least of their concerns.
'Im sure any single mums will tell you that there is a bit more to it than pushing one out'
Sorry, this is
exactly what I see in Winchester everyday. They are pushing them out in order to obtain free houses. They make a career out of obtaining larger houses the more illeligitamate spawn they push out.
Your comment is admirable but unfortunately mis-guided.
Posted by: Think once..., born Winchester, bought Eastleigh, then Southampton, then Colden Common, now Winchester! on 4:51pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Same old, same old, Winchester housing issue so cue the bleating from the likes of Shoon and Libertarian.
Fact - Winchester is a nice place to live because of it's inhabitants, nice places generally cost more to live in. If you can't afford to live there then you do what everybody else has to do and that is live as close as possible. I do not buy into your constant nonsense, boo hoo I was born here but can't buy here - grow up. Winchester will always be a pricey place to live and when the Barton Farm development goes ahead the value of those properties will soon be inflated.If you buy early and then your property goes up in price and subsequently prices a section of the community out of buying there would that make you both hypocrites? Stop your whinging and put a little more effort into bettering your job/salaries and then you may live where you wish.
Same old, same old, Winchester housing issue so cue the bleating from the likes of Shoon and Libertarian.
Fact - Winchester is a nice place to live because of it's inhabitants, nice places generally cost more to live in. If you can't afford to live there then you do what everybody else has to do and that is live as close as possible. I do not buy into your constant nonsense, boo hoo I was born here but can't buy here - grow up. Winchester will always be a pricey place to live and when the Barton Farm development goes ahead the value of those properties will soon be inflated.If you buy early and then your property goes up in price and subsequently prices a section of the community out of buying there would that make you both hypocrites? Stop your whinging and put a little more effort into bettering your job/salaries and then you may live where you wish.
Posted by: sid, soton on 10:56pm Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote][bold]James[/bold] wrote:
Why not keep the farm working and employ 55,000 immigrant farm workers there, all tending the land and bringing in the sheaths. SAVE THE CHICKENS AND DUCKS TO MANAGE THE FARM. Job done. JESUS SAVES[/quote] Unfortunately, they don't wear sheaths: that's why there are so many of them!
James wrote:
Why not keep the farm working and employ 55,000 immigrant farm workers there, all tending the land and bringing in the sheaths. SAVE THE CHICKENS AND DUCKS TO MANAGE THE FARM. Job done. JESUS SAVES
Unfortunately, they don't wear sheaths: that's why there are so many of them!
Posted by: Shoon on 11:19pm Thu 31 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Think once...[/bold] wrote:
Same old, same old, Winchester housing issue so cue the bleating from the likes of Shoon and Libertarian. Fact - Winchester is a nice place to live because of it's inhabitants, nice places generally cost more to live in. If you can't afford to live there then you do what everybody else has to do and that is live as close as possible. I do not buy into your constant nonsense, boo hoo I was born here but can't buy here - grow up. Winchester will always be a pricey place to live and when the Barton Farm development goes ahead the value of those properties will soon be inflated.If you buy early and then your property goes up in price and subsequently prices a section of the community out of buying there would that make you both hypocrites? Stop your whinging and put a little more effort into bettering your job/salaries and then you may live where you wish.[/quote] And with his horse high he rode into the sunset...
his middle class boorish snobbish attitude of greatness flapping in the wind...
Think once... wrote:
Same old, same old, Winchester housing issue so cue the bleating from the likes of Shoon and Libertarian. Fact - Winchester is a nice place to live because of it's inhabitants, nice places generally cost more to live in. If you can't afford to live there then you do what everybody else has to do and that is live as close as possible. I do not buy into your constant nonsense, boo hoo I was born here but can't buy here - grow up. Winchester will always be a pricey place to live and when the Barton Farm development goes ahead the value of those properties will soon be inflated.If you buy early and then your property goes up in price and subsequently prices a section of the community out of buying there would that make you both hypocrites? Stop your whinging and put a little more effort into bettering your job/salaries and then you may live where you wish.
And with his horse high he rode into the sunset...
his middle class boorish snobbish attitude of greatness flapping in the wind...
Posted by: Jonathan, Winchester on 1:15am Fri 1 Feb 08
The trouble is that the government's entire housing agenda is flawed and based on misleading people. They talk about "affordable housing" as if building a few thousand houses will make prices go down (which is nonsense), where actually the term "affordable housing" is defined in government literature as a) council housing or b) shared ownership schemes. It does NOT mean that young people wanting to buy a home of their own will become able to.
The extra building will just increase the population of the city, reducing the quality of life for everyone through increased traffic, water shortages and longer waiting times for services (where are the plans for new hospitals, for example?!). And in support of the so-called "nimbys" - all they are doing is showing a sense of community. In fact everyone is a "nimby" at heart - who could honestly say that they wouldn't oppose a mobile phone mast being put up in their back garden - even if is was supposedly "for the greater good of the community"?
The trouble is that the government's entire housing agenda is flawed and based on misleading people. They talk about "affordable housing" as if building a few thousand houses will make prices go down (which is nonsense), where actually the term "affordable housing" is defined in government literature as a) council housing or b) shared ownership schemes. It does NOT mean that young people wanting to buy a home of their own will become able to.
The extra building will just increase the population of the city, reducing the quality of life for everyone through increased traffic, water shortages and longer waiting times for services (where are the plans for new hospitals, for example?!). And in support of the so-called "nimbys" - all they are doing is showing a sense of community. In fact everyone is a "nimby" at heart - who could honestly say that they wouldn't oppose a mobile phone mast being put up in their back garden - even if is was supposedly "for the greater good of the community"?
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