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Will this building turn heads in Southampton?
7:11am Friday 25th April 2008
Comments (82)
By Matt Smith »
The Daily Echo can today reveal the building developers claim will be the most striking in Southampton.
Rising above the heart of the city the eight-storey office block is part of a £70m scheme including a 180 apartment block and hotel that will go before planners on Tuesday.
Its curved glass façade will provide the corner of Havelock Road and Commercial Road with an eye-catching design.
Developers Terrace Hill hope the building, at Mayflower Plaza, will become the headquarters for a major firm and estimates its development will attract at least 650 new jobs to the city.
Development executive Richard Myers from Terrace Hill claimed: "I would say it will be the most striking building in Southampton."
City planners, who have recommended planning approval, have called it "unashamedly modern" and say the proposals will result in a "dramatic change to the city centre both in terms of important views across the city and its skyline".
The rest of the scheme comprises a nine-storey 150-bed hotel with restaurant planned behind the offices along Commercial Road. Mr Myers said advanced exclusive negotiations are under way with a major chain to run it.
A 15-storey block of flats containing 180 homes, including 82 one-bed, 72 two-bed and 24 studio apartments, would also be built off West Park Road.
There will be basement parking for 115 cars - 63 will be for residents - accessed from West Park Road.
Three letters of objection were made to the council opposing the height and size of the development, the amount of parking and lack of play space for children.
The council's own conservation officer was also concerned the dominant buildings, up to 52m high, would detract from views of the nearby Civic Centre and its 48m high clock tower
Your Say YourEcho
Owen Owen, Below Bar says...
7:26am Fri 25 Apr 08
City Dweller, says...
7:49am Fri 25 Apr 08
While cities like Nottingham, Leicester, Bristol, Cardiff, Reading and even Portsmouth, have given the go-ahead for buildings of over 25 storeys, Southampton is once again, lagging way behind.
The Woolston project is 2 years late. The hotel at Ocean Village appears dead in the water, as do the other developments there.
No doubt the plans for West Quay 3 will be dull and lacking any architectual merit also.
Denzil, work says...
8:05am Fri 25 Apr 08
Thomes Downes, Southampton says...
8:09am Fri 25 Apr 08
No buyers, says...
8:12am Fri 25 Apr 08
And the design ? Well its better than most of the boring high density boxes being thrown up around the city, but not spectacular on the scale of modern cities
J. Curry, Soton says...
8:16am Fri 25 Apr 08
hulla, baloo says...
8:16am Fri 25 Apr 08
Where will the rest park? on the already congested street where paid parking permits will possibly be in place
SUE, Southampton says...
8:18am Fri 25 Apr 08
Car Park Owner, Southampton says...
8:21am Fri 25 Apr 08
Luvverly jubberly.
Brummy Saint, Birmingham, but wish I was back in Southampton! says...
8:30am Fri 25 Apr 08
Bet the owners of that are rubbing their hands!
local, says...
8:38am Fri 25 Apr 08
Hmm, all I can say is "typical" with regards parking. Parking is enough of an issue, without Southampton City Council's moronic attitude of restricting the amount of parking allowed on new developments.
sailor sam, portsmouth says...
8:42am Fri 25 Apr 08
What an original conception!
A true wonder of the second millenium!
A masterpiece!
I can visualise the traffic jams caused by tourist flocking to the area to gaze upon such a wonderous sight!
Heaven only knows what we will do in Portsmouth, because I imagine that this will lure the crowds away from our city, where they presently come to gaze in wonder at the Spinnaker Tower!
I guess our City Council will have to get someone in to build a 'greenhouse' to attract visitors away from this proposed edifice!
Anon, Southampton says...
8:57am Fri 25 Apr 08
Anon, Southampton says...
8:58am Fri 25 Apr 08
Tom, Soton says...
8:58am Fri 25 Apr 08
sailor sam wrote:LOL! Like your style, Sam!
WOW!
What an original conception!
A true wonder of the second millenium!
A masterpiece!
I can visualise the traffic jams caused by tourist flocking to the area to gaze upon such a wonderous sight!
Heaven only knows what we will do in Portsmouth, because I imagine that this will lure the crowds away from our city, where they presently come to gaze in wonder at the Spinnaker Tower!
I guess our City Council will have to get someone in to build a 'greenhouse' to attract visitors away from this proposed edifice!
But do remember that your city was responsible for the great beast that was known as "The Tricorn"
...Glass houses and stones?
bingolover, wringing my hands in despair! says...
9:38am Fri 25 Apr 08
I have nothing against glass office blocks but is there really a point to building a large amount of teeny weeny flats when first-time buyers can't get mortgages? And the ones that can aren't going to go for a city-centre shoebox with no parking! I just don't understand how that people who run this city can be so ignorant of the things that are actually needed....
Adrian Smith, says...
9:46am Fri 25 Apr 08
bingolover wrote:There is an enormous Council owned multi-storey car park adjacent to this proposed development. That is where your friends can park - and pay for that parking day and night.
The other thing about not having sufficient parking is it means that if you have friends, nobody can come and visit you! Unless, of course, they want to come on foot as if they try the bus they'll be four days late and will then have to stay for a month until there's a bus back. I have nothing against glass office blocks but is there really a point to building a large amount of teeny weeny flats when first-time buyers can't get mortgages? And the ones that can aren't going to go for a city-centre shoebox with no parking! I just don't understand how that people who run this city can be so ignorant of the things that are actually needed....
John, says...
9:57am Fri 25 Apr 08
What about visitors to the offices?
I dont believe the car park opposite can cope.
Council planner, says...
10:22am Fri 25 Apr 08
John wrote:Our plans will allow that car park to cope - by doubling the rates.
The car parking for residents is a major concern but what about all the office staff and the hotel guests and staff. 650 office staff plus 180 guests plus the hotel staff. What about visitors to the offices? I dont believe the car park opposite can cope.
Monstrous Carbuncle, Eastleigh says...
10:26am Fri 25 Apr 08
I feel better for that now.
Percy Thrower, says...
10:32am Fri 25 Apr 08
Green machine, Planet Earth says...
10:38am Fri 25 Apr 08
sailor sam, portsmouth says...
10:39am Fri 25 Apr 08
Tom wrote:Yes! I do remember 'The Tricorn'.
sailor sam wrote: WOW! What an original conception! A true wonder of the second millenium! A masterpiece! I can visualise the traffic jams caused by tourist flocking to the area to gaze upon such a wonderous sight! Heaven only knows what we will do in Portsmouth, because I imagine that this will lure the crowds away from our city, where they presently come to gaze in wonder at the Spinnaker Tower! I guess our City Council will have to get someone in to build a 'greenhouse' to attract visitors away from this proposed edifice!LOL! Like your style, Sam! But do remember that your city was responsible for the great beast that was known as "The Tricorn" ...Glass houses and stones?
I also remember that there was a committee of 'Architectural Luvvies' who claimed that it was a masterpiece - a bit like Hans Christian Anderson's 'King's New Clothes', the peasants knew it was a loser!
Thank goodness it is now just a painful memory!
With regard Glass houses and stones!
There was precious little glass in the Tricorn, but cans see that the 'Hooligan Element' could have 'a smashing time' with this new design!
Al Gore, says...
10:56am Fri 25 Apr 08
Green machine wrote:I am sure the developer will abide by all the latest green fads, I mean legislation, whether or not that helps reduce glowball warming, cooling or whatever the tax raising phrase is this month.
What, if any, concessions will be made to the environment in this building? Will all the latest energy saving measures be installed? What about grey water schemes-will they be considered? Solar panels? Or is it just going to be a cash cow for the owner?
Rog, Southampton says...
11:07am Fri 25 Apr 08
I don't think that we have that many people visiting
John, Getting down with it says...
11:07am Fri 25 Apr 08
It will go well along with other architectural monstrosities in the town, like West Quay, which looks like some Cardassian Prison Camp from Star Trek DS9!
Redfield, Winchester says...
11:19am Fri 25 Apr 08
jimbo, Southampton says...
11:27am Fri 25 Apr 08
a bit like Hans Christian Anderson's 'King's New Clothes'
Oh, Hans Christian Anderson's King's New Clothes - you are a clever boy aren't you!
Except it's the Emperor's New Clothes...
toxteth o'grady, says...
11:39am Fri 25 Apr 08
Glen, Bitterne says...
12:45pm Fri 25 Apr 08
Much better that the empty mess that is currently there.
Shame there are'nt more striking buildings in the city.
Family Man, Bitterne says...
12:55pm Fri 25 Apr 08
Turn my head...no way, turn my stomach more like!
More variety, not more and more of the same please!
Visionary, Chilworth says...
1:05pm Fri 25 Apr 08
Wolfgang, New York, New York says...
2:02pm Fri 25 Apr 08
SUE wrote:Ah yes, but don't forget that plenty of other schemes are still progressing - there is definitely investment available for the right project - and that depends on demand for the space, quality of the development and the underlying economic fundamentals of the locality. The infrastructure is some way off capacity yet and prices in Southampton haven't yet reached the extortionate levels that are hampering sales elsewhere in the UK. Though I am inclined to agree with Denzil, as it is more than likely that some Thornhill scrutter will get a brick through the double skin glass facade at his earliest opportunity.
The property market is collapsing. Persimmon have stopped building - it is time to stop building these monstrosities. The infra- structure cannot cope. Who really wants to live in this city?
Wolfgang, New York, New York says...
2:03pm Fri 25 Apr 08
SUE wrote:Ah yes, but don't forget that plenty of other schemes are still progressing - there is definitely investment available for the right project - and that depends on demand for the space, quality of the development and the underlying economic fundamentals of the locality. The infrastructure is some way off capacity yet and prices in Southampton haven't yet reached the extortionate levels that are hampering sales elsewhere in the UK. Though I am inclined to agree with Denzil, as it is more than likely that some Thornhill scrutter will get a brick through the double skin glass facade at his earliest opportunity.
The property market is collapsing. Persimmon have stopped building - it is time to stop building these monstrosities. The infra- structure cannot cope. Who really wants to live in this city?
sailor sam, portsmouth says...
2:18pm Fri 25 Apr 08
jimbo wrote:The whole point of communication is that people get the message!
a bit like Hans Christian Anderson's 'King's New Clothes'Oh, Hans Christian Anderson's King's New Clothes - you are a clever boy aren't you! Except it's the Emperor's New Clothes...
It would appear that you 'got the message'!
Well done Jimbo!
And so you should be!
commoner, southampton says...
2:20pm Fri 25 Apr 08
Arthur T. Flowers, 582-940 says...
2:22pm Fri 25 Apr 08
It's definitely not a landmark though.
sailor sam, portsmouth says...
2:37pm Fri 25 Apr 08
jimbo wrote:The object of communication is for a message to be conveyed from one to another or others.
a bit like Hans Christian Anderson's 'King's New Clothes'Oh, Hans Christian Anderson's King's New Clothes - you are a clever boy aren't you! Except it's the Emperor's New Clothes...
It would appear that you got the message Jimbo!
Perhaps you would be interested to hear the reason why donkeys are prevented from going to school!
It is because
NOBODY LIKES A SMART ****!
Carole, Bitterne Park says...
2:49pm Fri 25 Apr 08
Al Gore, says...
2:57pm Fri 25 Apr 08
Carole wrote:Not content with being responsible for glowball warming the Sun will be blamed for all the accidents at that intersection now.
It will be great when the sun hits all that glass and causes lot of accidents on the surrounding roads!
David Devant, searching for my spirit wife says...
3:03pm Fri 25 Apr 08
puzzled, says...
3:17pm Fri 25 Apr 08
Ho Ho Ho, says...
3:21pm Fri 25 Apr 08
sailor sam wrote:except queer sailor boys like you...
jimbo wrote:The object of communication is for a message to be conveyed from one to another or others. It would appear that you got the message Jimbo! Perhaps you would be interested to hear the reason why donkeys are prevented from going to school! It is because NOBODY LIKES A SMART ****!a bit like Hans Christian Anderson's 'King's New Clothes'Oh, Hans Christian Anderson's King's New Clothes - you are a clever boy aren't you! Except it's the Emperor's New Clothes...
jimbo, Southampton says...
3:28pm Fri 25 Apr 08
sailor sam wrote:Have you quite finished sam, or are you going to comment one more time? ;)
jimbo wrote:The object of communication is for a message to be conveyed from one to another or others. It would appear that you got the message Jimbo! Perhaps you would be interested to hear the reason why donkeys are prevented from going to school! It is because NOBODY LIKES A SMART ****!a bit like Hans Christian Anderson's 'King's New Clothes'Oh, Hans Christian Anderson's King's New Clothes - you are a clever boy aren't you! Except it's the Emperor's New Clothes...
Anyway, you're the biggest smart a*se on the planet and you know it!!!
Rupert, IOW says...
3:32pm Fri 25 Apr 08
AB, Southampton says...
3:51pm Fri 25 Apr 08
Mike, So'ton says...
5:47pm Fri 25 Apr 08
Also, this block of flats seem to be missing from the renditions shown as they would totally change the look and the views locally. The HSBC building is only 14 high...
Mike, So'ton says...
5:53pm Fri 25 Apr 08
Also the developers claim of 650 jobs is a bit lame as they haven't even got a client, let alone one that is new to the city. Most likely would be a company relocating from within the city, so where would the new jobs be then?
sailor sam, portsmouth says...
7:23pm Fri 25 Apr 08
jimbo wrote:I think that I am correct in saying that, in the film about Hans Christian Anderson, Danny Kaye sings, 'The King is in the altogether the altogether etc etc' not 'The Emperor'!
sailor sam wrote:Have you quite finished sam, or are you going to comment one more time? ;) Anyway, you're the biggest smart a*se on the planet and you know it!!!jimbo wrote:The object of communication is for a message to be conveyed from one to another or others. It would appear that you got the message Jimbo! Perhaps you would be interested to hear the reason why donkeys are prevented from going to school! It is because NOBODY LIKES A SMART ****!a bit like Hans Christian Anderson's 'King's New Clothes'Oh, Hans Christian Anderson's King's New Clothes - you are a clever boy aren't you! Except it's the Emperor's New Clothes...
Did you write to Hollywood to correct them?
Condor Man, Southampton says...
7:26pm Fri 25 Apr 08
Echo, find out who's in charge at SCC now and lets bombard them with emails expressing how much people HATE FLATS.
Stephen Phillips, Southampton says...
9:42pm Fri 25 Apr 08
Denzil wrote:lol
No, it will not turn heads. I would give it until a week after it is built before some pikey from Thornhill launches a stone through it.
Stephen Phillips, Southampton says...
9:48pm Fri 25 Apr 08
Redfield wrote:The only thing striking will be the planes on the side.
"developers claim will be the most striking in Southampton" At 8 storeys high I wouldn't have thought it will have that much impact
I think we need something at that site and this looks quite good. Perhaps they should think about enlarging the parking area.
I wonder if the shops at the top of Commercial Road will be knocked down or if they will actually be refurbished because people travel to the Theatre and I cannot seem them being impressed when passing all the empty buildings.
mr s, soton says...
10:19pm Fri 25 Apr 08
sean sparks, woolston southampton says...
12:13am Sat 26 Apr 08
Rog wrote:Do you know of anyone personally who works in any of the city's hotels, if you did I can assure you that there are plenty of people coming to this city and that the city's hotel trade is very bouyant.
Another over priced Hotel, how many do we need in Southampton? I don't think that we have that many people visiting
Try getting a room in any of the major hotels on a Saturday night during the summer?
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Bus Driver, Southampton says...
5:49pm Sat 26 Apr 08
Modern designs again in an old city..
Nothing ever is designed to fit here properly
simon, southampton says...
8:42pm Sat 26 Apr 08
wills, soton says...
5:51am Sun 27 Apr 08
Dave, Highfeild says...
9:07am Sun 27 Apr 08
rnhill,St Marys,Flower roads should be dragged out of there houses and made to clean the areas up if they dont do it take away there dole money!
I like Boxes, Newton Abbot says...
1:56pm Fri 2 May 08
sailor sam wrote:
jimbo wrote:I think that I am correct in saying that, in the film about Hans Christian Anderson, Danny Kaye sings, 'The King is in the altogether the altogether etc etc' not 'The Emperor'!
sailor sam wrote:Have you quite finished sam, or are you going to comment one more time? ;) Anyway, you're the biggest smart a*se on the planet and you know it!!!jimbo wrote:The object of communication is for a message to be conveyed from one to another or others. It would appear that you got the message Jimbo! Perhaps you would be interested to hear the reason why donkeys are prevented from going to school! It is because NOBODY LIKES A SMART ****!a bit like Hans Christian Anderson's 'King's New Clothes'Oh, Hans Christian Anderson's King's New Clothes - you are a clever boy aren't you! Except it's the Emperor's New Clothes...
Did you write to Hollywood to correct them?
Boxes are good aren't they?
Boxes for Mayor, says...
2:30pm Fri 2 May 08
I like Boxes wrote:Aye.
sailor sam wrote:
jimbo wrote:I think that I am correct in saying that, in the film about Hans Christian Anderson, Danny Kaye sings, \'The King is in the altogether the altogether etc etc\' not \'The Emperor\'!
sailor sam wrote:Have you quite finished sam, or are you going to comment one more time? ;) Anyway, you\'re the biggest smart a*se on the planet and you know it!!!jimbo wrote:The object of communication is for a message to be conveyed from one to another or others. It would appear that you got the message Jimbo! Perhaps you would be interested to hear the reason why donkeys are prevented from going to school! It is because NOBODY LIKES A SMART ****!a bit like Hans Christian Anderson\'s \'King\'s New Clothes\'Oh, Hans Christian Anderson\'s King\'s New Clothes - you are a clever boy aren\'t you! Except it\'s the Emperor\'s New Clothes...
Did you write to Hollywood to correct them?
Boxes are good aren\'t they?
Boxmaster Bash, Paulsgrove says...
8:01pm Fri 2 May 08
Boxes for Mayor wrote:I think we're close to breaking this box/space continuum.
I like Boxes wrote:Aye.
sailor sam wrote:
jimbo wrote:I think that I am correct in saying that, in the film about Hans Christian Anderson, Danny Kaye sings, \'The King is in the altogether the altogether etc etc\' not \'The Emperor\'!
sailor sam wrote:Have you quite finished sam, or are you going to comment one more time? ;) Anyway, you\'re the biggest smart a*se on the planet and you know it!!!jimbo wrote:The object of communication is for a message to be conveyed from one to another or others. It would appear that you got the message Jimbo! Perhaps you would be interested to hear the reason why donkeys are prevented from going to school! It is because NOBODY LIKES A SMART ****!a bit like Hans Christian Anderson\'s \'King\'s New Clothes\'Oh, Hans Christian Anderson\'s King\'s New Clothes - you are a clever boy aren\'t you! Except it\'s the Emperor\'s New Clothes...
Did you write to Hollywood to correct them?
Boxes are good aren\'t they?
Grandmaster Box, Paulsgrove says...
8:24pm Fri 2 May 08
Boxmaster Bash wrote:Oh - I forgot to add, Sailor Sam and Jimbo should be made aware the writer was named H.C. Andersen.
Boxes for Mayor wrote:I think we're close to breaking this box/space continuum.
I like Boxes wrote:Aye.
sailor sam wrote:
jimbo wrote:I think that I am correct in saying that, in the film about Hans Christian Anderson, Danny Kaye sings, \'The King is in the altogether the altogether etc etc\' not \'The Emperor\'!
sailor sam wrote:Have you quite finished sam, or are you going to comment one more time? ;) Anyway, you\'re the biggest smart a*se on the planet and you know it!!!jimbo wrote:The object of communication is for a message to be conveyed from one to another or others. It would appear that you got the message Jimbo! Perhaps you would be interested to hear the reason why donkeys are prevented from going to school! It is because NOBODY LIKES A SMART ****!a bit like Hans Christian Anderson\'s \'King\'s New Clothes\'Oh, Hans Christian Anderson\'s King\'s New Clothes - you are a clever boy aren\'t you! Except it\'s the Emperor\'s New Clothes...
Did you write to Hollywood to correct them?
Boxes are good aren\'t they?
paul b, says...
7:16am Fri 25 Apr 08
Also i can not grasp how tall it is, how many double decker buses is it?