Askham: Why I'm still backing Rupert
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The man who first brought Rupert Lowe to Saints has backed his return- but has warned major cuts will have to be made to stabilise the club's finances.
Guy Askham, who was chairman at the time of Lowe's reverse takeover of Saints in 1997, has spoken out to explain his support for the return of Lowe along with another former chairman, Michael Wilde.
There is a clear divide of opinion over the state of the finances of the club between the outgoing board led by Leon Crouch and the new one of Lowe, Wilde and Andrew Cowen.
Both parties also apportion the blame for perceived problems to different places.
What does seem clear is that Lowe and Wilde are bracing themselves to make unpopular cuts that could include reducing the wage bill of the first team squad, though they are keen to put cash into the academy.
Askham, who rarely speaks publicly, issued a statement to the Daily Echo in which he explained his reasons for siding with Lowe once again.
Guy Askham's statement - see today's Daily Echo.
6:40am Friday 16th May 2008
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CommentPosted by: Philip Sutherland, Romsey on 7:44am Fri 16 May 08
One cut back is directors don't take a wage until the club is decently solvent again.
Guy: you got us into this mess. I hope you are ashamed of yourself.
One cut back is directors don't take a wage until the club is decently solvent again.
Guy: you got us into this mess. I hope you are ashamed of yourself.
Posted by: Phil, Lordwood on 7:51am Fri 16 May 08
I think most thinking Saints supporters are glad Lowe is back to steady the ship.I think we can now a sensible push for promotion next season.
I think most thinking Saints supporters are glad Lowe is back to steady the ship.I think we can now a sensible push for promotion next season.
Posted by: Captain Swing, Southampton on 7:56am Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Phil[/bold] wrote:
I think most thinking Saints supporters are glad Lowe is back to steady the ship.I think we can now a sensible push for promotion next season.[/quote] I'm glad Rupert's back too, but I think a push for promotion, "sensible" or otherwise, is being widely optamistic.
The target for next season remains having a Club to support at the end of it.
Phil wrote:
I think most thinking Saints supporters are glad Lowe is back to steady the ship.I think we can now a sensible push for promotion next season.
I'm glad Rupert's back too, but I think a push for promotion, "sensible" or otherwise, is being widely optamistic.
The target for next season remains having a Club to support at the end of it.
Posted by: Wazza on 8:04am Fri 16 May 08
[quote]reducing the wage bill of the first team squad, though they are keen to put cash into the academy.[/quote]
Reduce the wage Bill yes (including the directors wages)
Push money into the academy NO!!! Now is not the time. If we push what little money we have into the academy we won't see it's benefits for years to come. We need to rebuild now in the hope that we won't be scrapping it out again next year. Give money to Pearson who I believe can make sensible Championship signings i.e. hungry, prehaps older professionals that know what is needed at this level and won't want rediculous wages to do it.
I'm not happy with Lowes return, please get something right Lowe. You're like a broken record harping on about our academy. Yes the products of our academy have kept us solvent since going down but who was a large factor in us going down? Rupert Lowe!!!
reducing the wage bill of the first team squad, though they are keen to put cash into the academy.
Reduce the wage Bill yes (including the directors wages)
Push money into the academy NO!!! Now is not the time. If we push what little money we have into the academy we won't see it's benefits for years to come. We need to rebuild now in the hope that we won't be scrapping it out again next year. Give money to Pearson who I believe can make sensible Championship signings i.e. hungry, prehaps older professionals that know what is needed at this level and won't want rediculous wages to do it.
I'm not happy with Lowes return, please get something right Lowe. You're like a broken record harping on about our academy. Yes the products of our academy have kept us solvent since going down but who was a large factor in us going down? Rupert Lowe!!!
Posted by: Fred, Southampton on 8:07am Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Phil[/bold] wrote:
I think most thinking Saints supporters are glad Lowe is back to steady the ship.I think we can now a sensible push for promotion next season.[/quote] I disagree with you entirely.
As you are using navy metaphors, I will continue by saying that Lowe rocked the boat in the first place, leaving us rudderless with atrocious appointments meaning we did not win matches in the relegation season we should have done so when the stormy seas came at the end of the season we were sunk.
He is full of wind in his sails but steers in the wrong direction most of the time.
Yes he is back, but most fans see him as a pirate who has come to plunder the club again and line his pockets with waht treasure is left.
Most fans are looking for a real chairman who has more ideas than this.
Phil wrote:
I think most thinking Saints supporters are glad Lowe is back to steady the ship.I think we can now a sensible push for promotion next season.
I disagree with you entirely.
As you are using navy metaphors, I will continue by saying that Lowe rocked the boat in the first place, leaving us rudderless with atrocious appointments meaning we did not win matches in the relegation season we should have done so when the stormy seas came at the end of the season we were sunk.
He is full of wind in his sails but steers in the wrong direction most of the time.
Yes he is back, but most fans see him as a pirate who has come to plunder the club again and line his pockets with waht treasure is left.
Most fans are looking for a real chairman who has more ideas than this.
Posted by: Saint Stan on 8:11am Fri 16 May 08
Askham has zero credibility, of course he would side with Lowe, the man has no backbone and would jump off a cliff if Rupert asked him to.
Believe you me, the people who will be financially bailing out the club will be [bold]THE FANS[/bold] . [bold]Lowe is going to put ticket prices UP.[/bold] He sees it as our fault the club is in this mess, so we have to pay to it right. Meanwhile all the freebies for Lowe's chums will carry on, no cost cutting there!
Askham has zero credibility, of course he would side with Lowe, the man has no backbone and would jump off a cliff if Rupert asked him to.
Believe you me, the people who will be financially bailing out the club will be
THE FANS .
Lowe is going to put ticket prices UP. He sees it as our fault the club is in this mess, so we have to pay to it right. Meanwhile all the freebies for Lowe's chums will carry on, no cost cutting there!
Posted by: Russell, NZ on 8:16am Fri 16 May 08
Most thinking Saints fans will be glad that Lowe's back? Only those with a short memory I reckon. Just another sad day for our football club. Don't think for a minute that us fans are going to get any better deal to the dross served up by the last shambolic chairman. The big difference here is massive cost cutting measures and a much less active persuit of investment.
Most thinking Saints fans will be glad that Lowe's back? Only those with a short memory I reckon. Just another sad day for our football club. Don't think for a minute that us fans are going to get any better deal to the dross served up by the last shambolic chairman. The big difference here is massive cost cutting measures and a much less active persuit of investment.
Posted by: Realist on 8:19am Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Phil[/bold] wrote:
I think most thinking Saints supporters are glad Lowe is back to steady the ship.I think we can now a sensible push for promotion next season.[/quote] Utter rubbish !!!!!!! most Saints fans with a memory dont WANT Lowe anywhere near this club. Please explain how we can push for promotion when Lowe is explaining that huge cuts will have to be made.
Get back to cheering the Skates on tomorrow
Phil wrote:
I think most thinking Saints supporters are glad Lowe is back to steady the ship.I think we can now a sensible push for promotion next season.
Utter rubbish !!!!!!! most Saints fans with a memory dont WANT Lowe anywhere near this club. Please explain how we can push for promotion when Lowe is explaining that huge cuts will have to be made.
Get back to cheering the Skates on tomorrow
Posted by: John B, Bitterne on 8:41am Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Wazza[/bold] wrote:
[quote]reducing the wage bill of the first team squad, though they are keen to put cash into the academy.[/quote] Reduce the wage Bill yes (including the directors wages) Push money into the academy NO!!! Now is not the time. If we push what little money we have into the academy we won't see it's benefits for years to come. We need to rebuild now in the hope that we won't be scrapping it out again next year. Give money to Pearson who I believe can make sensible Championship signings i.e. hungry, prehaps older professionals that know what is needed at this level and won't want rediculous wages to do it. I'm not happy with Lowes return, please get something right Lowe. You're like a broken record harping on about our academy. Yes the products of our academy have kept us solvent since going down but who was a large factor in us going down? Rupert Lowe!!![/quote] I am sorry but I disagree with you Wazza.
I don’t think it is a good idea getting in old professionals because they wont hack it in the Premiership anyway
We need to build a team from our Academy or other young players and hope they do not want to jump ship and join the bigger clubs.
Of course we need to get in a couple of really classy players I was in Portsmouth in the week and noticed in a window a picture of their recent promotion team with Paul Merson and Steve Stone.
But I expect cannot afford high wages at present so that type of player is out of the question.
It is going to take some time to get back to the Premiership and to stay there.
About fifteen years ago I met someone at work who supported Hull City they were currently in Div 2 he was despondent but he had visited all but two clubs in the Football League.
His time may come next weekend so why cannot we just be patient and wait because one day our day will come and we will return to the Premiership.
Wazza wrote:
reducing the wage bill of the first team squad, though they are keen to put cash into the academy.
Reduce the wage Bill yes (including the directors wages) Push money into the academy NO!!! Now is not the time. If we push what little money we have into the academy we won't see it's benefits for years to come. We need to rebuild now in the hope that we won't be scrapping it out again next year. Give money to Pearson who I believe can make sensible Championship signings i.e. hungry, prehaps older professionals that know what is needed at this level and won't want rediculous wages to do it. I'm not happy with Lowes return, please get something right Lowe. You're like a broken record harping on about our academy. Yes the products of our academy have kept us solvent since going down but who was a large factor in us going down? Rupert Lowe!!!
I am sorry but I disagree with you Wazza.
I don’t think it is a good idea getting in old professionals because they wont hack it in the Premiership anyway
We need to build a team from our Academy or other young players and hope they do not want to jump ship and join the bigger clubs.
Of course we need to get in a couple of really classy players I was in Portsmouth in the week and noticed in a window a picture of their recent promotion team with Paul Merson and Steve Stone.
But I expect cannot afford high wages at present so that type of player is out of the question.
It is going to take some time to get back to the Premiership and to stay there.
About fifteen years ago I met someone at work who supported Hull City they were currently in Div 2 he was despondent but he had visited all but two clubs in the Football League.
His time may come next weekend so why cannot we just be patient and wait because one day our day will come and we will return to the Premiership.
Posted by: the totton scrutineer, TOTTON on 8:44am Fri 16 May 08
It is ironic that the man who put Saints where they are should come back in to save them.If we need reminding it was Lowe who employed his friend Clive Woodward and paid him a fortune with no return ,paid himself a fortune and to his credit took a pay cut on relegation.But them promptly sold the family silver and put NOTHING back in.As a club we are not in the BEST hands if we wamt to go ahead in football terms but we will be stabilized financilly the LONG term which means forget the Premierhip in the forseeable future.We may have to go down and build again the future is not bright but I guess beggers cannot be choosers and it looks like we will be begging the bank to keep us afloat. We are in BETTER a hand but not the BEST hands
It is ironic that the man who put Saints where they are should come back in to save them.If we need reminding it was Lowe who employed his friend Clive Woodward and paid him a fortune with no return ,paid himself a fortune and to his credit took a pay cut on relegation.But them promptly sold the family silver and put NOTHING back in.As a club we are not in the BEST hands if we wamt to go ahead in football terms but we will be stabilized financilly the LONG term which means forget the Premierhip in the forseeable future.We may have to go down and build again the future is not bright but I guess beggers cannot be choosers and it looks like we will be begging the bank to keep us afloat. We are in BETTER a hand but not the BEST hands
Posted by: John B, Bitterne on 8:47am Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Realist[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Phil[/bold] wrote: I think most thinking Saints supporters are glad Lowe is back to steady the ship.I think we can now a sensible push for promotion next season.[/quote] Utter rubbish !!!!!!! most Saints fans with a memory dont WANT Lowe anywhere near this club. Please explain how we can push for promotion when Lowe is explaining that huge cuts will have to be made. Get back to cheering the Skates on tomorrow[/quote] In Reality it was inevitable a club like ours with limited cash resources and a load of injuries would get relegated.
In reality it is unlikely a club like ours with limited cash resources will gain promotion and stay up.
So lower your expectations otherwise you will not be happy and Support the Saints
Realist wrote:
Phil wrote: I think most thinking Saints supporters are glad Lowe is back to steady the ship.I think we can now a sensible push for promotion next season.
Utter rubbish !!!!!!! most Saints fans with a memory dont WANT Lowe anywhere near this club. Please explain how we can push for promotion when Lowe is explaining that huge cuts will have to be made. Get back to cheering the Skates on tomorrow
In Reality it was inevitable a club like ours with limited cash resources and a load of injuries would get relegated.
In reality it is unlikely a club like ours with limited cash resources will gain promotion and stay up.
So lower your expectations otherwise you will not be happy and Support the Saints
Posted by: Andrew, Balham on 8:55am Fri 16 May 08
I agree with the more cerebral Saints fans who appreciate the sound business & financial common sense that Rupert Lowe will bring. He gave us a great new stadium, and tries to promote from within - Good Luck!!
I agree with the more cerebral Saints fans who appreciate the sound business & financial common sense that Rupert Lowe will bring. He gave us a great new stadium, and tries to promote from within - Good Luck!!
Posted by: Simon Templar, Woolston on 8:58am Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Realist[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Phil[/bold] wrote:
I think most thinking Saints supporters are glad Lowe is back to steady the ship.I think we can now a sensible push for promotion next season.[/quote] Utter rubbish !!!!!!! most Saints fans with a memory dont WANT Lowe anywhere near this club. Please explain how we can push for promotion when Lowe is explaining that huge cuts will have to be made.
Get back to cheering the Skates on tomorrow[/quote] Askham isn't ashamed about his underhand reverse take over, all he does to perk himself is look at his bank balance with the unfortunate side effect of it.
As for these rose tinted spectacle wearing charachters on here telling us Lowe is our saviour, all I would say is that if he had any supporters, they wouldn't come on here to say so as no one tells you when they are happy with something, they just go about their business. We only put pen to paper when we are irate, outraged and feel an injustice is taking place. - yet for some strange reason, a lot of people are going out of their way to sing his praises on here :o/
Wonder if he has shares in a PR company as well ;0)
Realist wrote:
Phil wrote:
I think most thinking Saints supporters are glad Lowe is back to steady the ship.I think we can now a sensible push for promotion next season.
Utter rubbish !!!!!!! most Saints fans with a memory dont WANT Lowe anywhere near this club. Please explain how we can push for promotion when Lowe is explaining that huge cuts will have to be made.
Get back to cheering the Skates on tomorrow
Askham isn't ashamed about his underhand reverse take over, all he does to perk himself is look at his bank balance with the unfortunate side effect of it.
As for these rose tinted spectacle wearing charachters on here telling us Lowe is our saviour, all I would say is that if he had any supporters, they wouldn't come on here to say so as no one tells you when they are happy with something, they just go about their business. We only put pen to paper when we are irate, outraged and feel an injustice is taking place. - yet for some strange reason, a lot of people are going out of their way to sing his praises on here :o/
Wonder if he has shares in a PR company as well ;0)
Posted by: David, Shirley on 9:03am Fri 16 May 08
of course its good Lowe is back.Can anyone tell me it got better when he left ? it has been a depressing couple of years.
of course its good Lowe is back.Can anyone tell me it got better when he left ? it has been a depressing couple of years.
Posted by: Mike, Hedge End on 9:05am Fri 16 May 08
The similarity between Lowe and a garden centre now springs to mind whereby the young "plants" will be brought on, put in the shop window for a few weeks to develop and then sold on to the highest bidder. The trouble is, to pay for the development of theses young exotic species lot of people have to buy a a great deal of tatty old rhubarb!
The similarity between Lowe and a garden centre now springs to mind whereby the young "plants" will be brought on, put in the shop window for a few weeks to develop and then sold on to the highest bidder. The trouble is, to pay for the development of theses young exotic species lot of people have to buy a a great deal of tatty old rhubarb!
Posted by: Simon Templar, Woolston on 9:06am Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
I agree with the more cerebral Saints fans who appreciate the sound business & financial common sense that Rupert Lowe will bring. He gave us a great new stadium, and tries to promote from within - Good Luck!![/quote] This little gem takes the whole packet of biscuits - line up every saints fans that has watched a Saints match in the last 25 years and not one would post such a brown nosing comment as this - its cringeworthy guys. Cerebral, Common Sense, Promoting Within (you mean like like Wigley and Gray), get back to the shooting range.
C'mon all you foot soldiers, stop patronising us Sotonians and jog on, now haven't you got other clients to cater for?
Andrew wrote:
I agree with the more cerebral Saints fans who appreciate the sound business & financial common sense that Rupert Lowe will bring. He gave us a great new stadium, and tries to promote from within - Good Luck!!
This little gem takes the whole packet of biscuits - line up every saints fans that has watched a Saints match in the last 25 years and not one would post such a brown nosing comment as this - its cringeworthy guys. Cerebral, Common Sense, Promoting Within (you mean like like Wigley and Gray), get back to the shooting range.
C'mon all you foot soldiers, stop patronising us Sotonians and jog on, now haven't you got other clients to cater for?
Posted by: thedelldays, plymouth on 9:08am Fri 16 May 08
im glad lowe is back too (queue the PR plant responses) as look where it got us to get rid of him..
people slate him for penny pinching, then blame him for the debts...which one is it....
we could have spent mega bucks in the prem, not have half wages relegation clause and probably not have a club now..
what is it people actually want..
my guess is they have no idea..
poor show
im glad lowe is back too (queue the PR plant responses) as look where it got us to get rid of him..
people slate him for penny pinching, then blame him for the debts...which one is it....
we could have spent mega bucks in the prem, not have half wages relegation clause and probably not have a club now..
what is it people actually want..
my guess is they have no idea..
poor show
Posted by: Russell, NZ on 9:13am Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
I agree with the more cerebral Saints fans who appreciate the sound business & financial common sense that Rupert Lowe will bring. He gave us a great new stadium, and tries to promote from within - Good Luck!![/quote] Blimey. I have found Wupert's PR company's 1st post since he regained power.
There are many, many Saints fans who are 'cerebral' when it comes to our club. Fans may well dwell on the timing of the takeover, close enough to the end of the season to craft three noteworthy press stories on the eve of our last three home games, knowing the EGM will be organised as late as possible to coincide with the Alan Ball match (there was no love lost between him and Alan assisted with the original Wilde takeover) and to ensure that his first match back will be in August then there is unlikely to be any vented anger.
Cerebral Saints Fans think about the club all the time: this old chap is thinking about himself, his money, his shareholders, and somewhere right on the arse end of his priorities are us fans.
Here's hoping its a very short chairmanship, and that the next fella has the business acumen and is a bit more cerebral when it comes to Southampton Football Club.
Andrew wrote:
I agree with the more cerebral Saints fans who appreciate the sound business & financial common sense that Rupert Lowe will bring. He gave us a great new stadium, and tries to promote from within - Good Luck!!
Blimey. I have found Wupert's PR company's 1st post since he regained power.
There are many, many Saints fans who are 'cerebral' when it comes to our club. Fans may well dwell on the timing of the takeover, close enough to the end of the season to craft three noteworthy press stories on the eve of our last three home games, knowing the EGM will be organised as late as possible to coincide with the Alan Ball match (there was no love lost between him and Alan assisted with the original Wilde takeover) and to ensure that his first match back will be in August then there is unlikely to be any vented anger.
Cerebral Saints Fans think about the club all the time: this old chap is thinking about himself, his money, his shareholders, and somewhere right on the arse end of his priorities are us fans.
Here's hoping its a very short chairmanship, and that the next fella has the business acumen and is a bit more cerebral when it comes to Southampton Football Club.
Posted by: Simon Templar, Woolston on 9:14am Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]thedelldays[/bold] wrote:
im glad lowe is back too (queue the PR plant responses) as look where it got us to get rid of him..
people slate him for penny pinching, then blame him for the debts...which one is it....
we could have spent mega bucks in the prem, not have half wages relegation clause and probably not have a club now..
what is it people actually want..
my guess is they have no idea..
poor show[/quote] Actually, I know you aren't a plant with a made up name, you are one of the very few I've seen to be DELLuded from the very start by Lowe and his crooked smile. You get what you derserve - seems you want to this ship to sink DD?
thedelldays wrote:
im glad lowe is back too (queue the PR plant responses) as look where it got us to get rid of him..
people slate him for penny pinching, then blame him for the debts...which one is it....
we could have spent mega bucks in the prem, not have half wages relegation clause and probably not have a club now..
what is it people actually want..
my guess is they have no idea..
poor show
Actually, I know you aren't a plant with a made up name, you are one of the very few I've seen to be DELLuded from the very start by Lowe and his crooked smile. You get what you derserve - seems you want to this ship to sink DD?
Posted by: Lowe OUT on 9:14am Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Captain Swing[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Phil[/bold] wrote: I think most thinking Saints supporters are glad Lowe is back to steady the ship.I think we can now a sensible push for promotion next season.[/quote] I'm glad Rupert's back too, but I think a push for promotion, "sensible" or otherwise, is being widely optamistic. The target for next season remains having a Club to support at the end of it.[/quote] Get in the real world hes back like Wilde to salvage his share value.
These are the two goons that put SFC into this financial mire.
Captain Swing wrote:
Phil wrote: I think most thinking Saints supporters are glad Lowe is back to steady the ship.I think we can now a sensible push for promotion next season.
I'm glad Rupert's back too, but I think a push for promotion, "sensible" or otherwise, is being widely optamistic. The target for next season remains having a Club to support at the end of it.
Get in the real world hes back like Wilde to salvage his share value.
These are the two goons that put SFC into this financial mire.
Posted by: Wildes brain Cell on 9:18am Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Phil[/bold] wrote:
I think most thinking Saints supporters are glad Lowe is back to steady the ship.I think we can now a sensible push for promotion next season.[/quote] What utter tripe and the vast makority dont want him or judas wilde anywhere near SFC.
Those two are totally responsible for the current situation.
Rupert Lowe personally relegated SFC and is responsible for over £100 million pounds in lost revenue in the last three years.
Phil wrote:
I think most thinking Saints supporters are glad Lowe is back to steady the ship.I think we can now a sensible push for promotion next season.
What utter tripe and the vast makority dont want him or judas wilde anywhere near SFC.
Those two are totally responsible for the current situation.
Rupert Lowe personally relegated SFC and is responsible for over £100 million pounds in lost revenue in the last three years.
Posted by: thedelldays, plymouth on 9:19am Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Simon Templar[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]thedelldays[/bold] wrote: im glad lowe is back too (queue the PR plant responses) as look where it got us to get rid of him.. people slate him for penny pinching, then blame him for the debts...which one is it.... we could have spent mega bucks in the prem, not have half wages relegation clause and probably not have a club now.. what is it people actually want.. my guess is they have no idea.. poor show[/quote] Actually, I know you aren't a plant with a made up name, you are one of the very few I've seen to be DELLuded from the very start by Lowe and his crooked smile. You get what you derserve - seems you want to this ship to sink DD?[/quote] ship, sinking..dont make me laugh, we are/were heading for oblivion anyway the way things are/were going..
personally, i could not give a flying who is in charge, I just support the team.
I wanted lowe out last time and was happy the day he left, looking back it seems that was a mistake..
fans spouting off about stuff in recent years have shown (some of) them to be very wrong...lowe out, wilde in, wide out, crouch in, no to hoddle, burley is great etc...
if you wont whilst he is here then fine. what will make this situation very sad is the day fans start to protest n the ground about lowe...he is here and there is nothing anyone of us can do, unless you are very rich and have money to burn..
Simon Templar wrote:
thedelldays wrote: im glad lowe is back too (queue the PR plant responses) as look where it got us to get rid of him.. people slate him for penny pinching, then blame him for the debts...which one is it.... we could have spent mega bucks in the prem, not have half wages relegation clause and probably not have a club now.. what is it people actually want.. my guess is they have no idea.. poor show
Actually, I know you aren't a plant with a made up name, you are one of the very few I've seen to be DELLuded from the very start by Lowe and his crooked smile. You get what you derserve - seems you want to this ship to sink DD?
ship, sinking..dont make me laugh, we are/were heading for oblivion anyway the way things are/were going..
personally, i could not give a flying who is in charge, I just support the team.
I wanted lowe out last time and was happy the day he left, looking back it seems that was a mistake..
fans spouting off about stuff in recent years have shown (some of) them to be very wrong...lowe out, wilde in, wide out, crouch in, no to hoddle, burley is great etc...
if you wont whilst he is here then fine. what will make this situation very sad is the day fans start to protest n the ground about lowe...he is here and there is nothing anyone of us can do, unless you are very rich and have money to burn..
Posted by: Sinking Ship on 9:23am Fri 16 May 08
"personally, i could not give a flying who is in charge, I just support the team"
If that's the case, how come you pop up on every single Saints forum endlessly talking about who is in charge?
"personally, i could not give a flying who is in charge, I just support the team"
If that's the case, how come you pop up on every single Saints forum endlessly talking about who is in charge?
Posted by: thedelldays, plymouth on 9:27am Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Sinking Ship[/bold] wrote:
"personally, i could not give a flying who is in charge, I just support the team" If that's the case, how come you pop up on every single Saints forum endlessly talking about who is in charge?[/quote] errm...i dont..just here and the uglies board..that is it mate.
Harldy "every single saints forum"
Sinking Ship wrote:
"personally, i could not give a flying who is in charge, I just support the team" If that's the case, how come you pop up on every single Saints forum endlessly talking about who is in charge?
errm...i dont..just here and the uglies board..that is it mate.
Harldy "every single saints forum"
Posted by: Barnacle Bill, Somewhere on the high seas on 9:37am Fri 16 May 08
[bold]I pushed a woman in the river and then jumped in to save her. Am I a hero? My best mate seems to think so.[/bold]
I pushed a woman in the river and then jumped in to save her. Am I a hero? My best mate seems to think so. Posted by: Roger, North Hampshire on 9:37am Fri 16 May 08
I have said it before - never in my 50 years of following the Saints has the Club been in such a bad state. Lowe must take some responsibility for the current position. Just think all the managers he paid off in his years in charge.
IMO I think most "thinking" fans DO NOT want him back in charge. Please can we have a "White Knight" to rescue the Club from this mess!
I have said it before - never in my 50 years of following the Saints has the Club been in such a bad state. Lowe must take some responsibility for the current position. Just think all the managers he paid off in his years in charge.
IMO I think most "thinking" fans DO NOT want him back in charge. Please can we have a "White Knight" to rescue the Club from this mess!
Posted by: Kevin, Maybush on 9:40am Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Wazza[/bold] wrote:
[quote]reducing the wage bill of the first team squad, though they are keen to put cash into the academy.[/quote] Reduce the wage Bill yes (including the directors wages) Push money into the academy NO!!! Now is not the time. If we push what little money we have into the academy we won't see it's benefits for years to come. We need to rebuild now in the hope that we won't be scrapping it out again next year. Give money to Pearson who I believe can make sensible Championship signings i.e. hungry, prehaps older professionals that know what is needed at this level and won't want rediculous wages to do it. I'm not happy with Lowes return, please get something right Lowe. You're like a broken record harping on about our academy. Yes the products of our academy have kept us solvent since going down but who was a large factor in us going down? Rupert Lowe!!![/quote] I disagree Wazza. The academy is the foundation that the team has to be rebuilt on. With the little money available, what would the quality of the players be at the price we could afford? About the same, or less, than the ones we were moaning about last season.
Good quality players have been produced by the Academy in the past, only to be sold for some other club to reap the benefit.
If we produce quality players, and more importantly, keep those players, we could reap dividends in the long-term.
Spend money on second-raters now, they last a season, maybe two, and we are back in the same hole again.
Give youth a chance! Academy products are more loyal to the club than those bought in the transfer window!
Wazza wrote:
reducing the wage bill of the first team squad, though they are keen to put cash into the academy.
Reduce the wage Bill yes (including the directors wages) Push money into the academy NO!!! Now is not the time. If we push what little money we have into the academy we won't see it's benefits for years to come. We need to rebuild now in the hope that we won't be scrapping it out again next year. Give money to Pearson who I believe can make sensible Championship signings i.e. hungry, prehaps older professionals that know what is needed at this level and won't want rediculous wages to do it. I'm not happy with Lowes return, please get something right Lowe. You're like a broken record harping on about our academy. Yes the products of our academy have kept us solvent since going down but who was a large factor in us going down? Rupert Lowe!!!
I disagree Wazza. The academy is the foundation that the team has to be rebuilt on. With the little money available, what would the quality of the players be at the price we could afford? About the same, or less, than the ones we were moaning about last season.
Good quality players have been produced by the Academy in the past, only to be sold for some other club to reap the benefit.
If we produce quality players, and more importantly, keep those players, we could reap dividends in the long-term.
Spend money on second-raters now, they last a season, maybe two, and we are back in the same hole again.
Give youth a chance! Academy products are more loyal to the club than those bought in the transfer window!
Posted by: Kevin, Maybush on 9:40am Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Wazza[/bold] wrote:
[quote]reducing the wage bill of the first team squad, though they are keen to put cash into the academy.[/quote] Reduce the wage Bill yes (including the directors wages) Push money into the academy NO!!! Now is not the time. If we push what little money we have into the academy we won't see it's benefits for years to come. We need to rebuild now in the hope that we won't be scrapping it out again next year. Give money to Pearson who I believe can make sensible Championship signings i.e. hungry, prehaps older professionals that know what is needed at this level and won't want rediculous wages to do it. I'm not happy with Lowes return, please get something right Lowe. You're like a broken record harping on about our academy. Yes the products of our academy have kept us solvent since going down but who was a large factor in us going down? Rupert Lowe!!![/quote] I disagree Wazza. The academy is the foundation that the team has to be rebuilt on. With the little money available, what would the quality of the players be at the price we could afford? About the same, or less, than the ones we were moaning about last season.
Good quality players have been produced by the Academy in the past, only to be sold for some other club to reap the benefit.
If we produce quality players, and more importantly, keep those players, we could reap dividends in the long-term.
Spend money on second-raters now, they last a season, maybe two, and we are back in the same hole again.
Give youth a chance! Academy products are more loyal to the club than those bought in the transfer window!
Wazza wrote:
reducing the wage bill of the first team squad, though they are keen to put cash into the academy.
Reduce the wage Bill yes (including the directors wages) Push money into the academy NO!!! Now is not the time. If we push what little money we have into the academy we won't see it's benefits for years to come. We need to rebuild now in the hope that we won't be scrapping it out again next year. Give money to Pearson who I believe can make sensible Championship signings i.e. hungry, prehaps older professionals that know what is needed at this level and won't want rediculous wages to do it. I'm not happy with Lowes return, please get something right Lowe. You're like a broken record harping on about our academy. Yes the products of our academy have kept us solvent since going down but who was a large factor in us going down? Rupert Lowe!!!
I disagree Wazza. The academy is the foundation that the team has to be rebuilt on. With the little money available, what would the quality of the players be at the price we could afford? About the same, or less, than the ones we were moaning about last season.
Good quality players have been produced by the Academy in the past, only to be sold for some other club to reap the benefit.
If we produce quality players, and more importantly, keep those players, we could reap dividends in the long-term.
Spend money on second-raters now, they last a season, maybe two, and we are back in the same hole again.
Give youth a chance! Academy products are more loyal to the club than those bought in the transfer window!
Posted by: andy on 10:00am Fri 16 May 08
The Rupert Lowe plants always stand out on this site by their reflection of his obvious belief that he has a better mind and reasoning power than any of his detractors.
Leaving that argument aside, what Lowe needs to recognise is that his man management and team building skills are right at the bottom of the scale. I say this because he (a)got through 10 managers in 10 years and (b)failed to recognise that Clive Woodward would do nothing but cause mocking, distrust and resentment.
Being averagely good at numbers does not make you able to run a business, even a medium sized one like SLH!
The Rupert Lowe plants always stand out on this site by their reflection of his obvious belief that he has a better mind and reasoning power than any of his detractors.
Leaving that argument aside, what Lowe needs to recognise is that his man management and team building skills are right at the bottom of the scale. I say this because he (a)got through 10 managers in 10 years and (b)failed to recognise that Clive Woodward would do nothing but cause mocking, distrust and resentment.
Being averagely good at numbers does not make you able to run a business, even a medium sized one like SLH!
Posted by: richard, southampton on 10:07am Fri 16 May 08
Its odd that a bloke writing in Portsmouth over 100 years ago should so accurately describe SFC's position in the early 21st century. "Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery." The current credit crunch is a larger scale manifestation of the same thing, and it has a dire effect on economies, jobs and prospects in all sorts of ways.
Askham and Lowe both realised that it also applies to football clubs, especially ones like SFC that have never been, and never had the capability to be, world-wide "brands", unless a lifelong fan who happens to be a sugar-daddy wants to pour many millions of his own money into a very uncertain risk. (Would you, really?).
Personally, I believe that what they achieved for the club was an improbable period of survival in the top level of an ever more money-dominated sport, by holding fast to that truth and by developing an imaginative strategy to cope with it. A horrendous conjunction of injuries to key players who the club could not afford to replace adequately eventually toppled us off the top table, and this season very nearly did for us in the Championship. That's football. Its a tough game. Its a tough business. I have been a season ticket holder for 30 years, and I am not a shareholder (and nor am I in any way connected, particularly not in the obscene way imagined by some of the silly people who pour out their vitriol on here, to Lowe or Askham or SFC or the Echo (God forbid!)), but I love SFC and am grateful for all the great years, sad that we are in our current plight, and hopeful that a return to financial sanity will first of all stop the club disappearing into oblivion and then start us on the road back to success. But I'll keep supporting them any how.
Its odd that a bloke writing in Portsmouth over 100 years ago should so accurately describe SFC's position in the early 21st century. "Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery." The current credit crunch is a larger scale manifestation of the same thing, and it has a dire effect on economies, jobs and prospects in all sorts of ways.
Askham and Lowe both realised that it also applies to football clubs, especially ones like SFC that have never been, and never had the capability to be, world-wide "brands", unless a lifelong fan who happens to be a sugar-daddy wants to pour many millions of his own money into a very uncertain risk. (Would you, really?).
Personally, I believe that what they achieved for the club was an improbable period of survival in the top level of an ever more money-dominated sport, by holding fast to that truth and by developing an imaginative strategy to cope with it. A horrendous conjunction of injuries to key players who the club could not afford to replace adequately eventually toppled us off the top table, and this season very nearly did for us in the Championship. That's football. Its a tough game. Its a tough business. I have been a season ticket holder for 30 years, and I am not a shareholder (and nor am I in any way connected, particularly not in the obscene way imagined by some of the silly people who pour out their vitriol on here, to Lowe or Askham or SFC or the Echo (God forbid!)), but I love SFC and am grateful for all the great years, sad that we are in our current plight, and hopeful that a return to financial sanity will first of all stop the club disappearing into oblivion and then start us on the road back to success. But I'll keep supporting them any how.
Posted by: 50 year supporter on 10:09am Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Roger[/bold] wrote:
I have said it before - never in my 50 years of following the Saints has the Club been in such a bad state. Lowe must take some responsibility for the current position. Just think all the managers he paid off in his years in charge. IMO I think most "thinking" fans DO NOT want him back in charge. Please can we have a "White Knight" to rescue the Club from this mess![/quote] Reading Keith Wiseman's resignation letter, he makes it quite clear there is an attractive offer very close. Why then are Wilde and Lowe totally pretending that this possibility does not exist?
Anyone who thinks Lowe is acting in the best interests of the club had better think again.
I hope that whoever regulates companies is keeping an eye on this - directors are required to act in the best interests of the company and not of their shareholding.
Unfortunately, Southampton have now got a Board where every member is protecting his share value and ignoring what will benefit the club ie major new investment.
Roger wrote:
I have said it before - never in my 50 years of following the Saints has the Club been in such a bad state. Lowe must take some responsibility for the current position. Just think all the managers he paid off in his years in charge. IMO I think most "thinking" fans DO NOT want him back in charge. Please can we have a "White Knight" to rescue the Club from this mess!
Reading Keith Wiseman's resignation letter, he makes it quite clear there is an attractive offer very close. Why then are Wilde and Lowe totally pretending that this possibility does not exist?
Anyone who thinks Lowe is acting in the best interests of the club had better think again.
I hope that whoever regulates companies is keeping an eye on this - directors are required to act in the best interests of the company and not of their shareholding.
Unfortunately, Southampton have now got a Board where every member is protecting his share value and ignoring what will benefit the club ie major new investment.
Posted by: saintorsinner, Faraham on 10:10am Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
I agree with the more cerebral Saints fans who appreciate the sound business & financial common sense that Rupert Lowe will bring. He gave us a great new stadium, and tries to promote from within - Good Luck!![/quote] Astonishing comment the arrogance of which I would expect from only Rupert (Mugabe) Lowe himself. Sound business sense implies that a businessman has a deep knowledge of the industry he is operating in and hence makes the correct strategic decisions, particularly regarding the front line staff he employs. Any business man should be able to manage the finances and get new assets in place as a bare minimum. A 'GOOD' business man would also subjugate his ego for the sake of the business in general and solicit advice in areas that he is weak (i.e. understanding how important it is to have an experienced manager in place). Nothing good will come from having the ultimate ego maniac back in charge. To claim that only the cerebral fans will understand the need to bring back Rupert Lowe is a grave insult to all Saints fans. You should be ashamed of yourself!!!!!!!!
Andrew wrote:
I agree with the more cerebral Saints fans who appreciate the sound business & financial common sense that Rupert Lowe will bring. He gave us a great new stadium, and tries to promote from within - Good Luck!!
Astonishing comment the arrogance of which I would expect from only Rupert (Mugabe) Lowe himself. Sound business sense implies that a businessman has a deep knowledge of the industry he is operating in and hence makes the correct strategic decisions, particularly regarding the front line staff he employs. Any business man should be able to manage the finances and get new assets in place as a bare minimum. A 'GOOD' business man would also subjugate his ego for the sake of the business in general and solicit advice in areas that he is weak (i.e. understanding how important it is to have an experienced manager in place). Nothing good will come from having the ultimate ego maniac back in charge. To claim that only the cerebral fans will understand the need to bring back Rupert Lowe is a grave insult to all Saints fans. You should be ashamed of yourself!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Derry, west hampshire on 10:23am Fri 16 May 08
Askham and his fellow directors who turned the club into a public company and brought in Lowe and Cowen are to blame for this mess. We will have to return to private ownership before we have any success.
Askham and his fellow directors who turned the club into a public company and brought in Lowe and Cowen are to blame for this mess. We will have to return to private ownership before we have any success.
Posted by: DevonSaint, Devon on 10:30am Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Barnacle Bill[/bold] wrote:
[bold]I pushed a woman in the river and then jumped in to save her. Am I a hero? My best mate seems to think so.[/bold] [/quote] Concise and to the point!
Surely anyone in business will appreciate when decisions are made in an organisation and those decisions cause near financial ruin (as Lowe appears to be claiming) then the people who oversaw those decisions should be held accountable. As it is, Lowe and Wilde seem to have a blatant disregard for the soul of this club - THE FANS! I just hope Lowe stays out of the football side of things and we manage to get a decent squad together over the next few years.
Barnacle Bill wrote:
I pushed a woman in the river and then jumped in to save her. Am I a hero? My best mate seems to think so.
Concise and to the point!
Surely anyone in business will appreciate when decisions are made in an organisation and those decisions cause near financial ruin (as Lowe appears to be claiming) then the people who oversaw those decisions should be held accountable. As it is, Lowe and Wilde seem to have a blatant disregard for the soul of this club - THE FANS! I just hope Lowe stays out of the football side of things and we manage to get a decent squad together over the next few years.
Posted by: Wildes brain Cell on 10:33am Fri 16 May 08
[bold]Guy Askham is a traitor to Southampton Football Club.[/bold]
Guy Askham is a traitor to Southampton Football Club. Posted by: Captain Birdseye on 10:34am Fri 16 May 08
to be honest some cuts may need to be made - lets just hope they choose to sell off the high earners that dont deserve a tenth of their wage such as BWP, Dyer, Idiakez, Skacel and Rasiak.
im confident that if we can keep pearson he may be able to wheel and deal. and just because we had a bad season and there will be changes and less money does NOT mean we cannot mount a promotion challenge, if this season has taught us anything about this division is that money doesnt buy success (leicester anyone???) Bristol city made 1 big money signing for £1m and theyre in the playoff final with hull who have also spent pittance (maybe a bit in wages), i think it literally down to the managers and the momentum of your team in this league so i pray for some solid older professionals to come in alongside some young hungry players as i believe thats the best blend - palace, west brom, hull, bristol city, stoke - all have these blends. you could say we have older pro's but they are not solid enough and our youngsters - using BWP as an example - are mostly not hungry enough! (lallana is though)
to be honest some cuts may need to be made - lets just hope they choose to sell off the high earners that dont deserve a tenth of their wage such as BWP, Dyer, Idiakez, Skacel and Rasiak.
im confident that if we can keep pearson he may be able to wheel and deal. and just because we had a bad season and there will be changes and less money does NOT mean we cannot mount a promotion challenge, if this season has taught us anything about this division is that money doesnt buy success (leicester anyone???) Bristol city made 1 big money signing for £1m and theyre in the playoff final with hull who have also spent pittance (maybe a bit in wages), i think it literally down to the managers and the momentum of your team in this league so i pray for some solid older professionals to come in alongside some young hungry players as i believe thats the best blend - palace, west brom, hull, bristol city, stoke - all have these blends. you could say we have older pro's but they are not solid enough and our youngsters - using BWP as an example - are mostly not hungry enough! (lallana is though)
Posted by: Gripper, Winch on 10:47am Fri 16 May 08
Why does he or anyone else think he will make a better fist of running things this time? He was overly prudent at the wrong time and failed to invest in the squad, failed to back his decent managers, created an environment in which quality players did not want to come here, demonstrated a cronic lack of understanding of the football world, and generally gave off a snooty arrogance and air of superiority which many found thoroughly distasteful.
I love Saints to my core and always will, and because of this I'm sad, to say the least, that this man is back in charge of my club.
Why does he or anyone else think he will make a better fist of running things this time? He was overly prudent at the wrong time and failed to invest in the squad, failed to back his decent managers, created an environment in which quality players did not want to come here, demonstrated a cronic lack of understanding of the football world, and generally gave off a snooty arrogance and air of superiority which many found thoroughly distasteful.
I love Saints to my core and always will, and because of this I'm sad, to say the least, that this man is back in charge of my club.
Posted by: miserableold git on 10:54am Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Phil[/bold] wrote:
I think most thinking Saints supporters are glad Lowe is back to steady the ship.I think we can now a sensible push for promotion next season.[/quote] How are we going to make a sensible push for promotion when we have three teams coming down from the Prem with large parachute payments, Leeds (with their large crowds and backing) possibly coming up from Div 1, when we have no money and are going to drastically cut costs? Lowe may or may not be a good business man but he would need to be Paul Daniels for that to happen!
Phil wrote:
I think most thinking Saints supporters are glad Lowe is back to steady the ship.I think we can now a sensible push for promotion next season.
How are we going to make a sensible push for promotion when we have three teams coming down from the Prem with large parachute payments, Leeds (with their large crowds and backing) possibly coming up from Div 1, when we have no money and are going to drastically cut costs? Lowe may or may not be a good business man but he would need to be Paul Daniels for that to happen!
Posted by: lee saint, behind blue lines on 11:15am Fri 16 May 08
So hisplan is cut the first team, sack the managers and build up the academy isn't that waht he did last time and got us relegated and almost bankrupt. The only way to make money from English football is to be in the Premierhip. Small clubs like Wigan, Pompey and Boltonthat have achieved this by buying good first team players at high wages, having a consistent manager and having an academy when they can afford it. Have you learned anything while you have been away you moron Rupert
So hisplan is cut the first team, sack the managers and build up the academy isn't that waht he did last time and got us relegated and almost bankrupt. The only way to make money from English football is to be in the Premierhip. Small clubs like Wigan, Pompey and Boltonthat have achieved this by buying good first team players at high wages, having a consistent manager and having an academy when they can afford it. Have you learned anything while you have been away you moron Rupert
Posted by: Wazza on 11:15am Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]John B[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Wazza[/bold] wrote: [quote]reducing the wage bill of the first team squad, though they are keen to put cash into the academy.[/quote] Reduce the wage Bill yes (including the directors wages) Push money into the academy NO!!! Now is not the time. If we push what little money we have into the academy we won't see it's benefits for years to come. We need to rebuild now in the hope that we won't be scrapping it out again next year. Give money to Pearson who I believe can make sensible Championship signings i.e. hungry, prehaps older professionals that know what is needed at this level and won't want rediculous wages to do it. I'm not happy with Lowes return, please get something right Lowe. You're like a broken record harping on about our academy. Yes the products of our academy have kept us solvent since going down but who was a large factor in us going down? Rupert Lowe!!![/quote] I am sorry but I disagree with you Wazza. I don’t think it is a good idea getting in old professionals because they wont hack it in the Premiership anyway We need to build a team from our Academy or other young players and hope they do not want to jump ship and join the bigger clubs. Of course we need to get in a couple of really classy players I was in Portsmouth in the week and noticed in a window a picture of their recent promotion team with Paul Merson and Steve Stone. But I expect cannot afford high wages at present so that type of player is out of the question. It is going to take some time to get back to the Premiership and to stay there. About fifteen years ago I met someone at work who supported Hull City they were currently in Div 2 he was despondent but he had visited all but two clubs in the Football League. His time may come next weekend so why cannot we just be patient and wait because one day our day will come and we will return to the Premiership. [/quote] John, I was appreciate debate and in the past we haven't always agreed!
But I am sorry to say that now is not the time to be putting our money into the academy it will take years to reap the benefits i.e. quality players. In the time we are building up our youth players our first team will get worse. We need to spend our (unsubstantial) money on first team players that are better than what we have now.
What good is a better academy if we do not improve our first team squad (a squad that narrowly avoided relegation) and end up getting relegated next season?
Do we have enough money to strike a happy medium? If it is strictly a choice between investing in the academy or first team, then for me the first team is priority because I don't want another last day of season great escape!
John B wrote:
Wazza wrote: reducing the wage bill of the first team squad, though they are keen to put cash into the academy.
Reduce the wage Bill yes (including the directors wages) Push money into the academy NO!!! Now is not the time. If we push what little money we have into the academy we won't see it's benefits for years to come. We need to rebuild now in the hope that we won't be scrapping it out again next year. Give money to Pearson who I believe can make sensible Championship signings i.e. hungry, prehaps older professionals that know what is needed at this level and won't want rediculous wages to do it. I'm not happy with Lowes return, please get something right Lowe. You're like a broken record harping on about our academy. Yes the products of our academy have kept us solvent since going down but who was a large factor in us going down? Rupert Lowe!!!
I am sorry but I disagree with you Wazza. I don’t think it is a good idea getting in old professionals because they wont hack it in the Premiership anyway We need to build a team from our Academy or other young players and hope they do not want to jump ship and join the bigger clubs. Of course we need to get in a couple of really classy players I was in Portsmouth in the week and noticed in a window a picture of their recent promotion team with Paul Merson and Steve Stone. But I expect cannot afford high wages at present so that type of player is out of the question. It is going to take some time to get back to the Premiership and to stay there. About fifteen years ago I met someone at work who supported Hull City they were currently in Div 2 he was despondent but he had visited all but two clubs in the Football League. His time may come next weekend so why cannot we just be patient and wait because one day our day will come and we will return to the Premiership.
John, I was appreciate debate and in the past we haven't always agreed!
But I am sorry to say that now is not the time to be putting our money into the academy it will take years to reap the benefits i.e. quality players. In the time we are building up our youth players our first team will get worse. We need to spend our (unsubstantial) money on first team players that are better than what we have now.
What good is a better academy if we do not improve our first team squad (a squad that narrowly avoided relegation) and end up getting relegated next season?
Do we have enough money to strike a happy medium? If it is strictly a choice between investing in the academy or first team, then for me the first team is priority because I don't want another last day of season great escape!
Posted by: Saint on 11:29am Fri 16 May 08
I can not believe the joint statement Wilde and Lowe made yesterday.
Before you guys have the right to ask for our backing, you have to earn it! To date history shows you have done very little to earn this.
Wilde so far and I want to be wrong. You come across as a turncoat! You promised the world and delivered nothing, and your story changes quicker than the tide!!
Lowe apart from running a tight ship, you are just as bad as the other clowns running our club since the reverse take over. What lesson have you learnt. Running a tight ship only goes so far. You fail badly over your first long term to see that football is a money game now. On this note you failed to even look or find investment, and possible why people view you as looking after you own interest. More so you failed to realise that to bring in fans revenue, you have to provide entertaining and successful football (buying quality players). Saints fans deserve to have a club competing at the very top, and for you to say the reality of this club is simply we are a finacially poor club, and should lower our level to just accepting this. Well I say B###KS. We are here partly because of you and all the other crap in the boardroom. But mainly because it is your job to bridge this gap and get us to were Southampton F.C. deserve to be. Not talk about magic fairys waving a wand. I go as far as to say it is your job to do it sooner than later, and it really angers me to here you say no need to rake over old grown, because where in a mess, and then hide behind these facts. THE OLD GROUND WAS YOU TOO! Please show some passion and will to deliver us what you paint as the impossible. Show us that you and Wilde have learnt, and get us the investment we need to deliver the football which will deliver the results all round!
Lastly YOU employed the pratt Harry, who everyone but you saw did not care. YOU employed Harry who took us down, and that should be your biggest debt to repay all Saints fans, to get us back in the top flight!
The team needs investment, and your job is not to keep things ticking over and getting paid. We are not a corner shop. You need to find and manage the investment needed to make Southampton F.C. a stronger team to get automatic promotion in this tough fizzy league.
Show some passion and commitment to fill this clubs potential sooner than later! Stop handing out facts and hinding behind them.
You guys are suppose to be bussinessmen. So bridge that finacial gap. Take your lead from other clubs who do, and find that much needed investment. Stop thinking small!!
I can not believe the joint statement Wilde and Lowe made yesterday.
Before you guys have the right to ask for our backing, you have to earn it! To date history shows you have done very little to earn this.
Wilde so far and I want to be wrong. You come across as a turncoat! You promised the world and delivered nothing, and your story changes quicker than the tide!!
Lowe apart from running a tight ship, you are just as bad as the other clowns running our club since the reverse take over. What lesson have you learnt. Running a tight ship only goes so far. You fail badly over your first long term to see that football is a money game now. On this note you failed to even look or find investment, and possible why people view you as looking after you own interest. More so you failed to realise that to bring in fans revenue, you have to provide entertaining and successful football (buying quality players). Saints fans deserve to have a club competing at the very top, and for you to say the reality of this club is simply we are a finacially poor club, and should lower our level to just accepting this. Well I say B###KS. We are here partly because of you and all the other crap in the boardroom. But mainly because it is your job to bridge this gap and get us to were Southampton F.C. deserve to be. Not talk about magic fairys waving a wand. I go as far as to say it is your job to do it sooner than later, and it really angers me to here you say no need to rake over old grown, because where in a mess, and then hide behind these facts. THE OLD GROUND WAS YOU TOO! Please show some passion and will to deliver us what you paint as the impossible. Show us that you and Wilde have learnt, and get us the investment we need to deliver the football which will deliver the results all round!
Lastly YOU employed the pratt Harry, who everyone but you saw did not care. YOU employed Harry who took us down, and that should be your biggest debt to repay all Saints fans, to get us back in the top flight!
The team needs investment, and your job is not to keep things ticking over and getting paid. We are not a corner shop. You need to find and manage the investment needed to make Southampton F.C. a stronger team to get automatic promotion in this tough fizzy league.
Show some passion and commitment to fill this clubs potential sooner than later! Stop handing out facts and hinding behind them.
You guys are suppose to be bussinessmen. So bridge that finacial gap. Take your lead from other clubs who do, and find that much needed investment. Stop thinking small!!
Posted by: DEL BOY, KINGSLAND MARKET on 11:57am Fri 16 May 08
WOOPERT & HIS TEDDY BEAR SHOULD KNOCK OFF A FIVER A GAME FOR ADMISSION. AN EXTRA 5000 ON THE GATE WOULD BE BREAK EVEN, AFTER THAT HAPPY DAYS. A FULL GROUND GIVES A BETTER ATMOSPHERE FOR OUR LADS, SO MAY BE IT COULD BE FORTRESS ST MARYS.
WOOPERT & HIS TEDDY BEAR SHOULD KNOCK OFF A FIVER A GAME FOR ADMISSION. AN EXTRA 5000 ON THE GATE WOULD BE BREAK EVEN, AFTER THAT HAPPY DAYS. A FULL GROUND GIVES A BETTER ATMOSPHERE FOR OUR LADS, SO MAY BE IT COULD BE FORTRESS ST MARYS.
Posted by: Wilde? I'm Furious, The gallows on the Itchen Bridge on 12:00pm Fri 16 May 08
The lunatics have taken over the asylum! Bring back hanging.
The lunatics have taken over the asylum! Bring back hanging.
Posted by: Plumstead Saint on 12:21pm Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Phil[/bold] wrote:
I think most thinking Saints supporters are glad Lowe is back to steady the ship.I think we can now a sensible push for promotion next season.[/quote] Don't presume to speak for others you arrogant fool.
Phil wrote:
I think most thinking Saints supporters are glad Lowe is back to steady the ship.I think we can now a sensible push for promotion next season.
Don't presume to speak for others you arrogant fool.
Posted by: miserableoldgit on 12:24pm Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
I agree with the more cerebral Saints fans who appreciate the sound business & financial common sense that Rupert Lowe will bring. He gave us a great new stadium, and tries to promote from within - Good Luck!![/quote] Promote from within!!?? Yes because Gray and Wigley were major successes wern`t they??
Andrew wrote:
I agree with the more cerebral Saints fans who appreciate the sound business & financial common sense that Rupert Lowe will bring. He gave us a great new stadium, and tries to promote from within - Good Luck!!
Promote from within!!?? Yes because Gray and Wigley were major successes wern`t they??
Posted by: Gordon Mockles, Soton on 12:34pm Fri 16 May 08
The fact Askham, above Lowe in the 'most despised man in Southampton history' stakes, is commenting says it all. Lowe knows this. Wilde knows this. These f*ckin w*nkers are here to destroy our club and nothing else. Why release comments from this man? The Echo, itself, has a lot to answer for. PR war, sniping and power stuggles and the season hasn't even started yet. Next season will be even worse, maybe they plan to take us down for some business plan, who knows with such devious snakes. Look at their track record, and business accumen *coughs*
Be afraid, be very afraid. Sorry to say, hoardes of people are now not going next season and I, personally, think boycotting the club would be the only way to make these idiots realise. They are NOT welcome!!
The fact Askham, above Lowe in the 'most despised man in Southampton history' stakes, is commenting says it all. Lowe knows this. Wilde knows this. These f*ckin w*nkers are here to destroy our club and nothing else. Why release comments from this man? The Echo, itself, has a lot to answer for. PR war, sniping and power stuggles and the season hasn't even started yet. Next season will be even worse, maybe they plan to take us down for some business plan, who knows with such devious snakes. Look at their track record, and business accumen *coughs*
Be afraid, be very afraid. Sorry to say, hoardes of people are now not going next season and I, personally, think boycotting the club would be the only way to make these idiots realise. They are NOT welcome!!
Posted by: Simon Templar, Woolston on 12:41pm Fri 16 May 08
'We need you' they cry - of course they do, they need us more than we need them - how else they gonna earn their inflated salaries by conning the people of Southampton that they are it this as fans of football.
Lowe only supports his wallet, and that's a full time job which doesn't let sentiment or good will get in the way. Well Mr Lowe, we are not ignorant bumpkins here to feed your ego, and we will stay away to make a protest against the regime. Yeah, its hard but necessary if we really want the club rid of this tyrant.
'We need you' they cry - of course they do, they need us more than we need them - how else they gonna earn their inflated salaries by conning the people of Southampton that they are it this as fans of football.
Lowe only supports his wallet, and that's a full time job which doesn't let sentiment or good will get in the way. Well Mr Lowe, we are not ignorant bumpkins here to feed your ego, and we will stay away to make a protest against the regime. Yeah, its hard but necessary if we really want the club rid of this tyrant.
Posted by: threestands, Bournemouth on 12:44pm Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Gordon Mockles[/bold] wrote:
The fact Askham, above Lowe in the 'most despised man in Southampton history' stakes, is commenting says it all. Lowe knows this. Wilde knows this. These f*ckin w*nkers are here to destroy our club and nothing else. Why release comments from this man? The Echo, itself, has a lot to answer for. PR war, sniping and power stuggles and the season hasn't even started yet. Next season will be even worse, maybe they plan to take us down for some business plan, who knows with such devious snakes. Look at their track record, and business accumen *coughs* Be afraid, be very afraid. Sorry to say, hoardes of people are now not going next season and I, personally, think boycotting the club would be the only way to make these idiots realise. They are NOT welcome!! [/quote] Fool, you dont speak for me or the thousands of clear thinking fans who want to see the club out of this mess.
The way you post says it all, mindless.
Gordon Mockles wrote:
The fact Askham, above Lowe in the 'most despised man in Southampton history' stakes, is commenting says it all. Lowe knows this. Wilde knows this. These f*ckin w*nkers are here to destroy our club and nothing else. Why release comments from this man? The Echo, itself, has a lot to answer for. PR war, sniping and power stuggles and the season hasn't even started yet. Next season will be even worse, maybe they plan to take us down for some business plan, who knows with such devious snakes. Look at their track record, and business accumen *coughs* Be afraid, be very afraid. Sorry to say, hoardes of people are now not going next season and I, personally, think boycotting the club would be the only way to make these idiots realise. They are NOT welcome!!
Fool, you dont speak for me or the thousands of clear thinking fans who want to see the club out of this mess.
The way you post says it all, mindless.
Posted by: saints forever, southampton on 12:47pm Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Gordon Mockles[/bold] wrote:
The fact Askham, above Lowe in the 'most despised man in Southampton history' stakes, is commenting says it all. Lowe knows this. Wilde knows this. These f*ckin w*nkers are here to destroy our club and nothing else. Why release comments from this man? The Echo, itself, has a lot to answer for. PR war, sniping and power stuggles and the season hasn't even started yet. Next season will be even worse, maybe they plan to take us down for some business plan, who knows with such devious snakes. Look at their track record, and business accumen *coughs*
Be afraid, be very afraid. Sorry to say, hoardes of people are now not going next season and I, personally, think boycotting the club would be the only way to make these idiots realise. They are NOT welcome!! [/quote] well **** OFF and dont come back...you are not a real fan but one of those ignorant people who have ruined this club. Lowe was forced out by the minority and that is what you are. SISA and Northam end yobs are NOT welcome. leave Saints to those of us that are real fans
COYR
Gordon Mockles wrote:
The fact Askham, above Lowe in the 'most despised man in Southampton history' stakes, is commenting says it all. Lowe knows this. Wilde knows this. These f*ckin w*nkers are here to destroy our club and nothing else. Why release comments from this man? The Echo, itself, has a lot to answer for. PR war, sniping and power stuggles and the season hasn't even started yet. Next season will be even worse, maybe they plan to take us down for some business plan, who knows with such devious snakes. Look at their track record, and business accumen *coughs*
Be afraid, be very afraid. Sorry to say, hoardes of people are now not going next season and I, personally, think boycotting the club would be the only way to make these idiots realise. They are NOT welcome!!
well **** OFF and dont come back...you are not a real fan but one of those ignorant people who have ruined this club. Lowe was forced out by the minority and that is what you are. SISA and Northam end yobs are NOT welcome. leave Saints to those of us that are real fans
COYR
Posted by: threestands, Bournemouth on 12:51pm Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Simon Templar[/bold] wrote:
'We need you' they cry - of course they do, they need us more than we need them - how else they gonna earn their inflated salaries by conning the people of Southampton that they are it this as fans of football. Lowe only supports his wallet, and that's a full time job which doesn't let sentiment or good will get in the way. Well Mr Lowe, we are not ignorant bumpkins here to feed your ego, and we will stay away to make a protest against the regime. Yeah, its hard but necessary if we really want the club rid of this tyrant.[/quote] Errrrrm, looking at your posts I would say you are most certainly an ignorant bumpkin, actually no, a very very ignorant bumpkin. Get real for pities sake.
Simon Templar wrote:
'We need you' they cry - of course they do, they need us more than we need them - how else they gonna earn their inflated salaries by conning the people of Southampton that they are it this as fans of football. Lowe only supports his wallet, and that's a full time job which doesn't let sentiment or good will get in the way. Well Mr Lowe, we are not ignorant bumpkins here to feed your ego, and we will stay away to make a protest against the regime. Yeah, its hard but necessary if we really want the club rid of this tyrant.
Errrrrm, looking at your posts I would say you are most certainly an ignorant bumpkin, actually no, a very very ignorant bumpkin. Get real for pities sake.
Posted by: Gerald Whiley, Southampton on 12:54pm Fri 16 May 08
"WE NEED YOU MORE THAN EVER"
Unbelievable. From the same man who told previously told us "The popularist opinion is usually wrong and [bold]THE OPINION OF THE CROWD IS ALWAYS WRONG[/bold]".
Wake-up Saints fans!!!
"WE NEED YOU MORE THAN EVER"
Unbelievable. From the same man who told previously told us "The popularist opinion is usually wrong and
THE OPINION OF THE CROWD IS ALWAYS WRONG".
Wake-up Saints fans!!!
Posted by: Simon Templar, Woolston on 12:58pm Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]saints forever[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Gordon Mockles[/bold] wrote:
The fact Askham, above Lowe in the \'most despised man in Southampton history\' stakes, is commenting says it all. Lowe knows this. Wilde knows this. These f*ckin w*nkers are here to destroy our club and nothing else. Why release comments from this man? The Echo, itself, has a lot to answer for. PR war, sniping and power stuggles and the season hasn\'t even started yet. Next season will be even worse, maybe they plan to take us down for some business plan, who knows with such devious snakes. Look at their track record, and business accumen *coughs*
Be afraid, be very afraid. Sorry to say, hoardes of people are now not going next season and I, personally, think boycotting the club would be the only way to make these idiots realise. They are NOT welcome!! [/quote] well **** OFF and dont come back...you are not a real fan but one of those ignorant people who have ruined this club. Lowe was forced out by the minority and that is what you are. SISA and Northam end yobs are NOT welcome. leave Saints to those of us that are real fans
COYR[/quote] Forced out but the 'minority' - my furry derriere. Since when has Lowe been in awe of the little people, he was ousted by 2 groups, the fans singing in united disgust at his atempts to placate with years of under funding and then some people with clout buying stock.
The SISA members and Northam yobs are the ones that would stand in the rain in the Milton and the Archers keeping the passion alive on cold January nights in 1987, so don't sit in your cushioned seats and belittle the hard core fan base sunshine.
saints forever wrote:
Gordon Mockles wrote:
The fact Askham, above Lowe in the \'most despised man in Southampton history\' stakes, is commenting says it all. Lowe knows this. Wilde knows this. These f*ckin w*nkers are here to destroy our club and nothing else. Why release comments from this man? The Echo, itself, has a lot to answer for. PR war, sniping and power stuggles and the season hasn\'t even started yet. Next season will be even worse, maybe they plan to take us down for some business plan, who knows with such devious snakes. Look at their track record, and business accumen *coughs*
Be afraid, be very afraid. Sorry to say, hoardes of people are now not going next season and I, personally, think boycotting the club would be the only way to make these idiots realise. They are NOT welcome!!
well **** OFF and dont come back...you are not a real fan but one of those ignorant people who have ruined this club. Lowe was forced out by the minority and that is what you are. SISA and Northam end yobs are NOT welcome. leave Saints to those of us that are real fans
COYR
Forced out but the 'minority' - my furry derriere. Since when has Lowe been in awe of the little people, he was ousted by 2 groups, the fans singing in united disgust at his atempts to placate with years of under funding and then some people with clout buying stock.
The SISA members and Northam yobs are the ones that would stand in the rain in the Milton and the Archers keeping the passion alive on cold January nights in 1987, so don't sit in your cushioned seats and belittle the hard core fan base sunshine.
Posted by: John MacDonald, Southampton on 1:17pm Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Kevin[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Wazza[/bold] wrote: [quote]reducing the wage bill of the first team squad, though they are keen to put cash into the academy.[/quote] Reduce the wage Bill yes (including the directors wages) Push money into the academy NO!!! Now is not the time. If we push what little money we have into the academy we won\\\'t see it\\\'s benefits for years to come. We need to rebuild now in the hope that we won\\\'t be scrapping it out again next year. Give money to Pearson who I believe can make sensible Championship signings i.e. hungry, prehaps older professionals that know what is needed at this level and won\\\'t want rediculous wages to do it. I\\\'m not happy with Lowes return, please get something right Lowe. You\\\'re like a broken record harping on about our academy. Yes the products of our academy have kept us solvent since going down but who was a large factor in us going down? Rupert Lowe!!![/quote] I disagree Wazza. The academy is the foundation that the team has to be rebuilt on. With the little money available, what would the quality of the players be at the price we could afford? About the same, or less, than the ones we were moaning about last season. Good quality players have been produced by the Academy in the past, only to be sold for some other club to reap the benefit. If we produce quality players, and more importantly, keep those players, we could reap dividends in the long-term. Spend money on second-raters now, they last a season, maybe two, and we are back in the same hole again. Give youth a chance! Academy products are more loyal to the club than those bought in the transfer window! [/quote] Couldn't agree more - especially as at this moment in time we have some very, very good young players. Thomson, White, Paterson, Hatch, Mills, James and Baseya are all committed to the club. Lets get them involved next season.
COYR
Kevin wrote:
Wazza wrote: reducing the wage bill of the first team squad, though they are keen to put cash into the academy.
Reduce the wage Bill yes (including the directors wages) Push money into the academy NO!!! Now is not the time. If we push what little money we have into the academy we won't see it's benefits for years to come. We need to rebuild now in the hope that we won't be scrapping it out again next year. Give money to Pearson who I believe can make sensible Championship signings i.e. hungry, prehaps older professionals that know what is needed at this level and won't want rediculous wages to do it. I'm not happy with Lowes return, please get something right Lowe. You're like a broken record harping on about our academy. Yes the products of our academy have kept us solvent since going down but who was a large factor in us going down? Rupert Lowe!!!
I disagree Wazza. The academy is the foundation that the team has to be rebuilt on. With the little money available, what would the quality of the players be at the price we could afford? About the same, or less, than the ones we were moaning about last season. Good quality players have been produced by the Academy in the past, only to be sold for some other club to reap the benefit. If we produce quality players, and more importantly, keep those players, we could reap dividends in the long-term. Spend money on second-raters now, they last a season, maybe two, and we are back in the same hole again. Give youth a chance! Academy products are more loyal to the club than those bought in the transfer window!
Couldn't agree more - especially as at this moment in time we have some very, very good young players. Thomson, White, Paterson, Hatch, Mills, James and Baseya are all committed to the club. Lets get them involved next season.
COYR
Posted by: Overtonsaint, Basingrad on 1:30pm Fri 16 May 08
This is more entertaining and less like real life than Monty Python!!
What has become of our once great club??
This is more entertaining and less like real life than Monty Python!!
What has become of our once great club??
Posted by: Simon Templar, Woolston on 1:44pm Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]John MacDonald[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Kevin[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Wazza[/bold] wrote: [quote]reducing the wage bill of the first team squad, though they are keen to put cash into the academy.[/quote] Reduce the wage Bill yes (including the directors wages) Push money into the academy NO!!! Now is not the time. If we push what little money we have into the academy we won\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t see it\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s benefits for years to come. We need to rebuild now in the hope that we won\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t be scrapping it out again next year. Give money to Pearson who I believe can make sensible Championship signings i.e. hungry, prehaps older professionals that know what is needed at this level and won\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t want rediculous wages to do it. I\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'m not happy with Lowes return, please get something right Lowe. You\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'re like a broken record harping on about our academy. Yes the products of our academy have kept us solvent since going down but who was a large factor in us going down? Rupert Lowe!!![/quote] I disagree Wazza. The academy is the foundation that the team has to be rebuilt on. With the little money available, what would the quality of the players be at the price we could afford? About the same, or less, than the ones we were moaning about last season. Good quality players have been produced by the Academy in the past, only to be sold for some other club to reap the benefit. If we produce quality players, and more importantly, keep those players, we could reap dividends in the long-term. Spend money on second-raters now, they last a season, maybe two, and we are back in the same hole again. Give youth a chance! Academy products are more loyal to the club than those bought in the transfer window! [/quote] Couldn\\\\\\\'t agree more - especially as at this moment in time we have some very, very good young players. Thomson, White, Paterson, Hatch, Mills, James and Baseya are all committed to the club. Lets get them involved next season.
COYR[/quote] You mean some very, very good income possibilities. C'mon, cut the BS Lowe fan boys, we know your esteemed guru Rupert sees the academy for one thing only, a buy low, sell high business opportunity.
And c'mon PR guys, we know your mandate is to put either Saints in your name, that you are a committed season ticket holder in your comment, that Wupes has his faults in there as well and then end with the trite and overused COYR - I may be a bumpkin as has been noted, but I can smell you PR guys a country mile off.
John MacDonald wrote:
Kevin wrote:
Wazza wrote: reducing the wage bill of the first team squad, though they are keen to put cash into the academy.
Reduce the wage Bill yes (including the directors wages) Push money into the academy NO!!! Now is not the time. If we push what little money we have into the academy we won\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t see it\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s benefits for years to come. We need to rebuild now in the hope that we won\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t be scrapping it out again next year. Give money to Pearson who I believe can make sensible Championship signings i.e. hungry, prehaps older professionals that know what is needed at this level and won\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t want rediculous wages to do it. I\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'m not happy with Lowes return, please get something right Lowe. You\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'re like a broken record harping on about our academy. Yes the products of our academy have kept us solvent since going down but who was a large factor in us going down? Rupert Lowe!!!
I disagree Wazza. The academy is the foundation that the team has to be rebuilt on. With the little money available, what would the quality of the players be at the price we could afford? About the same, or less, than the ones we were moaning about last season. Good quality players have been produced by the Academy in the past, only to be sold for some other club to reap the benefit. If we produce quality players, and more importantly, keep those players, we could reap dividends in the long-term. Spend money on second-raters now, they last a season, maybe two, and we are back in the same hole again. Give youth a chance! Academy products are more loyal to the club than those bought in the transfer window!
Couldn\\\\'t agree more - especially as at this moment in time we have some very, very good young players. Thomson, White, Paterson, Hatch, Mills, James and Baseya are all committed to the club. Lets get them involved next season.
COYR
You mean some very, very good income possibilities. C'mon, cut the BS Lowe fan boys, we know your esteemed guru Rupert sees the academy for one thing only, a buy low, sell high business opportunity.
And c'mon PR guys, we know your mandate is to put either Saints in your name, that you are a committed season ticket holder in your comment, that Wupes has his faults in there as well and then end with the trite and overused COYR - I may be a bumpkin as has been noted, but I can smell you PR guys a country mile off.
Posted by: Stu, New Forest on 2:05pm Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Simon Templar[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]saints forever[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Gordon Mockles[/bold] wrote: The fact Askham, above Lowe in the \'most despised man in Southampton history\' stakes, is commenting says it all. Lowe knows this. Wilde knows this. These f*ckin w*nkers are here to destroy our club and nothing else. Why release comments from this man? The Echo, itself, has a lot to answer for. PR war, sniping and power stuggles and the season hasn\'t even started yet. Next season will be even worse, maybe they plan to take us down for some business plan, who knows with such devious snakes. Look at their track record, and business accumen *coughs* Be afraid, be very afraid. Sorry to say, hoardes of people are now not going next season and I, personally, think boycotting the club would be the only way to make these idiots realise. They are NOT welcome!! [/quote] well **** OFF and dont come back...you are not a real fan but one of those ignorant people who have ruined this club. Lowe was forced out by the minority and that is what you are. SISA and Northam end yobs are NOT welcome. leave Saints to those of us that are real fans COYR[/quote] Forced out but the 'minority' - my furry derriere. Since when has Lowe been in awe of the little people, he was ousted by 2 groups, the fans singing in united disgust at his atempts to placate with years of under funding and then some people with clout buying stock. The SISA members and Northam yobs are the ones that would stand in the rain in the Milton and the Archers keeping the passion alive on cold January nights in 1987, so don't sit in your cushioned seats and belittle the hard core fan base sunshine.[/quote] Hey buddy, Can you please advise me what you mean by the term'real fan?' I'm not sure quite how to interpret this.
Is a 'real fan' someone that spends a certain amount of hard earned cash on games? Someone that goes home and away yet slates whoever runs the club?? What about a teenager that doesn't earn much yet still wears the shirt with pride - is he a real fan??
Would Mr Lowe be classed as a 'real fan' cos he owns shares in the club???
What exactly?? Cos with statements like that you appear to be some kind of fool.....perhaps 'real fans' all support Man Utd???
Simon Templar wrote:
saints forever wrote: Gordon Mockles wrote: The fact Askham, above Lowe in the \'most despised man in Southampton history\' stakes, is commenting says it all. Lowe knows this. Wilde knows this. These f*ckin w*nkers are here to destroy our club and nothing else. Why release comments from this man? The Echo, itself, has a lot to answer for. PR war, sniping and power stuggles and the season hasn\'t even started yet. Next season will be even worse, maybe they plan to take us down for some business plan, who knows with such devious snakes. Look at their track record, and business accumen *coughs* Be afraid, be very afraid. Sorry to say, hoardes of people are now not going next season and I, personally, think boycotting the club would be the only way to make these idiots realise. They are NOT welcome!!
well **** OFF and dont come back...you are not a real fan but one of those ignorant people who have ruined this club. Lowe was forced out by the minority and that is what you are. SISA and Northam end yobs are NOT welcome. leave Saints to those of us that are real fans COYR
Forced out but the 'minority' - my furry derriere. Since when has Lowe been in awe of the little people, he was ousted by 2 groups, the fans singing in united disgust at his atempts to placate with years of under funding and then some people with clout buying stock. The SISA members and Northam yobs are the ones that would stand in the rain in the Milton and the Archers keeping the passion alive on cold January nights in 1987, so don't sit i
