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7:43am Friday 16th May 2008
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SAINTS Trust chairman Nick Illingsworth will be joining thousands of others in Southampton cheering on the Welsh tomorrow.
Illingsworth will be backing ex-Saints boss Dave Jones' Cardiff City in the FA Cup Final against bitter rivals Portsmouth, as a large part of Southampton, for one day, becomes an extension of the Welsh capital.
It will be a nerve-racking day for many Saints supporters, who will be hoping they don't have to endure wild scenes of celebration just a few miles down the M27.
Illingsworth expects there to be a great deal of support for the Welsh side tomorrow, even if that somewhat goes against the nature of being English.
"Football is all about local rivalries, be it Saints-Pompey, Liverpool-Manchester United, or Celtic-Rangers," he said.
"The fact of the matter is that most Saints supporters will be praying for a Cardiff win, that's the nature of football."
However, despite his support for the Bluebirds, Illingsworth admits there are some Pompey fans who he feels deserve their success.
He is not expecting that to matter to the vast majority of Saints fans, though.
"We must remember that, although we don't like Pompey doing well, they more than anyone had to sit in the shadow of their local rivals for some 50 years.
"They had to do that without ever really being above us in terms of league position, attendances or anything.
"There are supporters there who are genuine football fans, who love their club and have stuck by it.
"Half of me says, for those loyal fans who were going when there were only about 8,000 people watching them, that they deserve it.
"But the other half of me hopes they get beaten.
"The nature of football is you want your local rivals to be beaten and you want them to be beaten well.
"But some of their fans do deserve it if they win.
"But if Cardiff City do win, I will celebrate like its 1999."
Full story: see today's Daily Echo
Bitterne Park Tim, Bitterne Park says...
8:02am Fri 16 May 08
Chris, Soton says...
8:08am Fri 16 May 08
Reader, says...
8:09am Fri 16 May 08
Philip Sutherland wrote:Newsflash:
Echo: do we care what Mr Illingsworth does in his spare time? I for one don't give a fig. Mention him no more in your paper.
Oh dear, says...
8:15am Fri 16 May 08
sailor sam, portsmouth says...
8:19am Fri 16 May 08
Russell, NZ says...
8:22am Fri 16 May 08
Brummy Saint, Birmingham - Wales says...
8:23am Fri 16 May 08
True Blue, Fareham says...
8:29am Fri 16 May 08
Brummy Saint wrote:Either way, it would be a big step up the social scale for a Brummie!
#I'd rather be a Welshman than a skate#
Maz, Southampton says...
8:30am Fri 16 May 08
sailor sam wrote:Well said Sailor Sam. I always read you posts with interest as you talk sense. I for one am not supporting Cardiff, may the best team win. At the moment all that matters to me & my family is what is happening at Southampton FC.
Having read the words attributed to Nick Illingsworth, I can now understand why the vast majority of Saint\'s fans do not take him seriously. Illingsworth says he will be backing Dave Jones, the former Saints manager! Where was his support when Jones was being sidelined by the club, and needed all the support he could get? With each quote about how long Pompey were supposed to be in Saint\'s shaddow, the period is increased. Now he claims it to be half a century! If Nick was Pinochio, his nose would reach Pompey by now! Although Pompey were formed after Saints, they reached football\'s top flight, while Saints were still in Div 3(S), won the cup while they were there and also back to back Div 1 Championships. History is great, but it is the present that counts, and if Nick and his followers had been united in their support of Saints, instead of causing so much in-fighting amongst Saints fans, maybe, just maybe, Southampton would still have Premier League football at St Mary\'s instead of languishing near the bottom of the Championship, narrowly avoiding relegation. As far as his support for Cardiff City is concerned, if he does as good a job for them as he has done for Southampton FC, then I think that Dave Jones will think that Nick has offered him a poisoned chalice! Personally, I hope that Southampton have turned the corner, and will soon be pushing for a Premier League place. Why? Because I am a Hampshire sportsman, who wants what is best for the county that Nick and I live in, and do not want to see top flight football concentrated in London and up North!
rich, shirley says...
8:57am Fri 16 May 08
Matt, Southampton says...
9:08am Fri 16 May 08
Brummy Saint, Birmingham says...
9:26am Fri 16 May 08
Barnacle Bill, Somewhere on the high seas says...
9:30am Fri 16 May 08
thedelldays, plymouth says...
9:38am Fri 16 May 08
ahhhh, says...
9:47am Fri 16 May 08
Maz wrote:ahhh..seaman sam has a girlfriend.
sailor sam wrote: Having read the words attributed to Nick Illingsworth, I can now understand why the vast majority of Saint\'s fans do not take him seriously. Illingsworth says he will be backing Dave Jones, the former Saints manager! Where was his support when Jones was being sidelined by the club, and needed all the support he could get? With each quote about how long Pompey were supposed to be in Saint\'s shaddow, the period is increased. Now he claims it to be half a century! If Nick was Pinochio, his nose would reach Pompey by now! Although Pompey were formed after Saints, they reached football\'s top flight, while Saints were still in Div 3(S), won the cup while they were there and also back to back Div 1 Championships. History is great, but it is the present that counts, and if Nick and his followers had been united in their support of Saints, instead of causing so much in-fighting amongst Saints fans, maybe, just maybe, Southampton would still have Premier League football at St Mary\'s instead of languishing near the bottom of the Championship, narrowly avoiding relegation. As far as his support for Cardiff City is concerned, if he does as good a job for them as he has done for Southampton FC, then I think that Dave Jones will think that Nick has offered him a poisoned chalice! Personally, I hope that Southampton have turned the corner, and will soon be pushing for a Premier League place. Why? Because I am a Hampshire sportsman, who wants what is best for the county that Nick and I live in, and do not want to see top flight football concentrated in London and up North!Well said Sailor Sam. I always read you posts with interest as you talk sense. I for one am not supporting Cardiff, may the best team win. At the moment all that matters to me & my family is what is happening at Southampton FC.
No Fuss, Southampton says...
9:48am Fri 16 May 08
Saints Fan, Soton says...
9:50am Fri 16 May 08
Benny Fitt, Thornhill says...
9:54am Fri 16 May 08
thedelldays wrote:Well, I missed the joke, wherever it was! Is it because I have not got a Janner sense of humour?
talk about a sense of humour failure by some..jeeez
Kabba, Millbrook says...
10:23am Fri 16 May 08
Kabba, Millbrook says...
10:26am Fri 16 May 08
Saint, says...
10:45am Fri 16 May 08
Philip Sutherland wrote:Agreed!
Echo: do we care what Mr Illingsworth does in his spare time? I for one don't give a fig. Mention him no more in your paper.
saintsfc, Southampton says...
10:48am Fri 16 May 08
Artful Dodger, Millbrook says...
10:55am Fri 16 May 08
sainth, southampton says...
11:01am Fri 16 May 08
the Truth Master, the Real World says...
11:06am Fri 16 May 08
StEmmosFire, Woolston says...
11:10am Fri 16 May 08
Mike, Hampshire says...
11:10am Fri 16 May 08
the Truth Master, in the Real World says...
11:11am Fri 16 May 08
the Truth Master wrote:Forgot to state that this posting is directed at Sailor Sam, or any other sensible PFC fan for that matter
"Personally, I hope that Southampton have turned the corner, and will soon be pushing for a Premier League place. Why? Because I am a Hampshire sportsman, who wants what is best for the county that Nick and I live in, and do not want to see top flight football concentrated in London and up North!" Well said mush, although I'm a staunch Saints supporter and have certain views regarding PFC I agree about keeping it local. Over the years, even when both of us ("unfashionable teams" as they were often labelled) were in the top flight we have been basically ignored in favour for the "big clubs" in the Capital and 'oop North, that was even the case when it came to County Cricket. When I was just a little boy I wanted all local clubs to well, during my late teens to early 30's that changed to an aggressive hatred for PFC, but now in my forties I've grown-up and mellowed and prefer the banter, which is how it should be and although I obviously want Saints to be more successful than Pompey (I would love us both to be in the Prem, I miss the derbies)I am split on who I want to win on Saturday. If PFC win, it raises the profile of Hampshire and keeps the Cup in England, if Cardiff win, it means we wont be bombarded with PFC fans posting on this site (IN CAPITAL LETTERS) gloating over the victory for years to come!!!!!!!!! Anyway, on a slightly related matter, do you recognise many of the following names, they are from the Pompey line-up back on Saturday 22nd Jan 1972 in a Div 2 match versus - coincidentally - Cardiff City at Fratton Park (so tempted to write Nottarf Krap but I wont). John Milkins, Fred Smith, John Collins, Bill Wilson, Eoin Hand, Colin Blant, Norman Piper, Dick Reynolds, Mike Trebilcock, (insert possible joke about surname here) George Ley, Nick Jennings, Albert McCann. Mr. R. Tindall was the manager. The City manager was a certain - MR JIMMY SCOULAR I went to the match to watch Pompey play (I was only 10 at the time so I didnt know any better at that age) with a family friend who was a City fan and who was also a Train Driver - so I suppose the real attraction was I that could travel there and back in the front of the Train! I have the matchday programme in front of me, it cost 5p and it was called the POMPEY JOURNAL, I cant remember what the score was though, got a feeling it was 1 - 0, but not sure who to. Got a feeling its going to be a 1 - 0 job on Saturday but once again not sure who to! Good luck - I think!!! C'mon City! Its **** uncomfortable sitting here on the fence!
thedelldays, plymouth says...
11:16am Fri 16 May 08
Benny Fitt wrote:what are you on about...I am from, born and bred southampton...you have lost me there...
thedelldays wrote: talk about a sense of humour failure by some..jeeezWell, I missed the joke, wherever it was! Is it because I have not got a Janner sense of humour? What was the joke so that I can understand where my sense of humour failed?
Warrren Barnard, Southampton says...
11:33am Fri 16 May 08
clay barnard, says...
11:39am Fri 16 May 08
Saint Red And White, says...
11:43am Fri 16 May 08
Saint, says...
11:48am Fri 16 May 08
Artful Dodger wrote:HE DOSE NOT TALK FOR ME!
What a sad state of affairs, when The Echo can't find a person more representative of the Saints fans than Illingsworth. It is such a shame that his mentality had not matured at the same rate as his body! It would be interesting to know how many people that feel he is their representative on Southampton FC matters!
sailor sam, portsmouth says...
11:54am Fri 16 May 08
the Truth Master wrote:It just goes to show that true football fans have a lot in common, no matter which club they support.
the Truth Master wrote: "Personally, I hope that Southampton have turned the corner, and will soon be pushing for a Premier League place. Why? Because I am a Hampshire sportsman, who wants what is best for the county that Nick and I live in, and do not want to see top flight football concentrated in London and up North!" Well said mush, although I'm a staunch Saints supporter and have certain views regarding PFC I agree about keeping it local. Over the years, even when both of us ("unfashionable teams" as they were often labelled) were in the top flight we have been basically ignored in favour for the "big clubs" in the Capital and 'oop North, that was even the case when it came to County Cricket. When I was just a little boy I wanted all local clubs to well, during my late teens to early 30's that changed to an aggressive hatred for PFC, but now in my forties I've grown-up and mellowed and prefer the banter, which is how it should be and although I obviously want Saints to be more successful than Pompey (I would love us both to be in the Prem, I miss the derbies)I am split on who I want to win on Saturday. If PFC win, it raises the profile of Hampshire and keeps the Cup in England, if Cardiff win, it means we wont be bombarded with PFC fans posting on this site (IN CAPITAL LETTERS) gloating over the victory for years to come!!!!!!!!! Anyway, on a slightly related matter, do you recognise many of the following names, they are from the Pompey line-up back on Saturday 22nd Jan 1972 in a Div 2 match versus - coincidentally - Cardiff City at Fratton Park (so tempted to write Nottarf Krap but I wont). John Milkins, Fred Smith, John Collins, Bill Wilson, Eoin Hand, Colin Blant, Norman Piper, Dick Reynolds, Mike Trebilcock, (insert possible joke about surname here) George Ley, Nick Jennings, Albert McCann. Mr. R. Tindall was the manager. The City manager was a certain - MR JIMMY SCOULAR I went to the match to watch Pompey play (I was only 10 at the time so I didnt know any better at that age) with a family friend who was a City fan and who was also a Train Driver - so I suppose the real attraction was I that could travel there and back in the front of the Train! I have the matchday programme in front of me, it cost 5p and it was called the POMPEY JOURNAL, I cant remember what the score was though, got a feeling it was 1 - 0, but not sure who to. Got a feeling its going to be a 1 - 0 job on Saturday but once again not sure who to! Good luck - I think!!! C'mon City! Its **** uncomfortable sitting here on the fence!Forgot to state that this posting is directed at Sailor Sam, or any other sensible PFC fan for that matter
Bluewest, Towards Wembley says...
11:58am Fri 16 May 08
Russell wrote:Love it - whilst all you losers in soton are sitting in your hovels supporting Cardiff we will be tasting sweet success......
Nick Illingsworth - spokesman of The Saints. I hope Cardiff stuff the pikies and someone stuff's Illingsworth's gob.
Bluewest, Towards Wembley says...
11:58am Fri 16 May 08
Russell wrote:Love it - whilst all you losers in soton are sitting in your hovels supporting Cardiff we will be tasting sweet success......
Nick Illingsworth - spokesman of The Saints. I hope Cardiff stuff the pikies and someone stuff's Illingsworth's gob.
Benny Fitt, Thornhill says...
11:59am Fri 16 May 08
Saint Red And White wrote:What an intelligent, adult, mature post!
I prefere cardiff because why should we wish pompey luck, They never wished us luck when we were in the fa cup final
arrys the man!, Poole says...
12:01pm Fri 16 May 08
rich wrote:Rich - your medications due you muppet!
c'mon you sheepheads ,good luck dave jones don't bottle it against the skates they only cheated there way through the semis baros might as well of caught the ball and threw it in the back of the net
cosy, says...
12:01pm Fri 16 May 08
Benny Fitt, Thornhill says...
12:03pm Fri 16 May 08
thedelldays wrote:Now that we know where you were born and dragged up, perhaps you could explain what the joke was that I appear to have missed!
Benny Fitt wrote:what are you on about...I am from, born and bred southampton...you have lost me there... I get it now, you noticed my current location which is Plymouth and assumed that I am from there...silly me (or you)thedelldays wrote: talk about a sense of humour failure by some..jeeezWell, I missed the joke, wherever it was! Is it because I have not got a Janner sense of humour? What was the joke so that I can understand where my sense of humour failed?
Benny Fitt, Thornhill says...
12:04pm Fri 16 May 08
thedelldays wrote:Now that we know where you were born and dragged up, perhaps you could explain what the joke was that I appear to have missed!
Benny Fitt wrote:what are you on about...I am from, born and bred southampton...you have lost me there... I get it now, you noticed my current location which is Plymouth and assumed that I am from there...silly me (or you)thedelldays wrote: talk about a sense of humour failure by some..jeeezWell, I missed the joke, wherever it was! Is it because I have not got a Janner sense of humour? What was the joke so that I can understand where my sense of humour failed?
crew 657., new forest says...
12:10pm Fri 16 May 08
Les from Leighton, Leighton Buzzard says...
12:15pm Fri 16 May 08
sailor sam wrote:Sailor Sam is spot on. I'm a die hard ( bored stiff) saints fan - But I'd rather the glory go to Pompey tomorrow because they are Hampshire team and I don't care about all the rivalry stuff. Good healthy banter is good - just slagging everybody off does nothing for the reputation of the fans, good of the game or the perception of the game when viewed from foriegn climes. All the best for tomorrow
Having read the words attributed to Nick Illingsworth, I can now understand why the vast majority of Saint\'s fans do not take him seriously. Illingsworth says he will be backing Dave Jones, the former Saints manager! Where was his support when Jones was being sidelined by the club, and needed all the support he could get? With each quote about how long Pompey were supposed to be in Saint\'s shaddow, the period is increased. Now he claims it to be half a century! If Nick was Pinochio, his nose would reach Pompey by now! Although Pompey were formed after Saints, they reached football\'s top flight, while Saints were still in Div 3(S), won the cup while they were there and also back to back Div 1 Championships. History is great, but it is the present that counts, and if Nick and his followers had been united in their support of Saints, instead of causing so much in-fighting amongst Saints fans, maybe, just maybe, Southampton would still have Premier League football at St Mary\'s instead of languishing near the bottom of the Championship, narrowly avoiding relegation. As far as his support for Cardiff City is concerned, if he does as good a job for them as he has done for Southampton FC, then I think that Dave Jones will think that Nick has offered him a poisoned chalice! Personally, I hope that Southampton have turned the corner, and will soon be pushing for a Premier League place. Why? Because I am a Hampshire sportsman, who wants what is best for the county that Nick and I live in, and do not want to see top flight football concentrated in London and up North!
Bluearmyforever!, Pompey says...
12:20pm Fri 16 May 08
Brummy Saint wrote:Brummy Saint - aka person that left one sh^t hole for another.
No Crew - Westwood is Scum! Oh and Birmingham, much nicer than Pomp*y. Have you walked around Fratton with your webbed feet and not caught any mysterious desease? No, didn't think so!
Bluearmyforever!, Pompey says...
12:20pm Fri 16 May 08
Brummy Saint wrote:Brummy Saint - aka person that left one sh^t hole for another.
No Crew - Westwood is Scum! Oh and Birmingham, much nicer than Pomp*y. Have you walked around Fratton with your webbed feet and not caught any mysterious desease? No, didn't think so!
sailor sam, portsmouth says...
12:36pm Fri 16 May 08
cosy wrote:A 'Love in' sounds a very attractive proposition, but at my age, I need at least a week's notice!
Bless this Sailor Sam love in. Come on the Bluebirds !
Mark, Netley says...
12:42pm Fri 16 May 08
crew 657., new forest says...
12:54pm Fri 16 May 08
Mark wrote:shut it scum inbred
Come on Caerdydd!!!
gorf, soton says...
1:46pm Fri 16 May 08
Layabout, Lordshill says...
1:49pm Fri 16 May 08
Mark wrote:What is it Mark from Netley?
Come on Caerdydd!!!
Football Fan, Southampton says...
2:08pm Fri 16 May 08
lowe and behold, st marys hotseat says...
2:12pm Fri 16 May 08
crew 657. wrote:oh look the austrian police have given bail to crew 657.
Mark wrote: Come on Caerdydd!!!shut it scum inbred
Ric Flair, says...
2:17pm Fri 16 May 08
lowe and behold, st marys hotseat says...
2:24pm Fri 16 May 08
Ric Flair wrote:Woooooooooo to the nature boy Wooooooooooooo
Good news, I\'ve just killed sailor sam and crew 657, They were easy victims and They could not compete with my great wrestling skills
bored, says...
2:25pm Fri 16 May 08
Philip Sutherland, Romsey says...
7:53am Fri 16 May 08