Girl, 13, given contraceptive implant at school (From Daily Echo)

I agree with teens who are/will be sexually active being given contraception but agee with the parent here that is a step too far, it is a surgical procedure, albeit minor.

The NHS should be doing more initiatives with parents and their kids together about sexual health and the implant also does not offer 'safe sex' only prevents pregnancy.

My daughter is 13 and not nearly emotionally mature enough but we speak about it all the time, and she knows she can ask me anything and has. Parents need to take the initative and keep communicating with their young person. I personally think although schools can offer condoms (or the pill in exceptional circumstances) that anything that requires ingestion or procedure that they have to get the parents' permission.

Also this still puts the emphasis on girls too, young men need much more education and advice on how to manage their hormones (cough cough)! My son is much older now but again, we have talked about him using condoms since he was in his early teens. He was v. sensible and I hope my daughter will follow suit but I will keep checking with her constantly.

I can imagine how this mum felt. I do feel with these initiatives that it will probably only be the sensible girls that go and get advice or contraception anyway, and not the ones that really need it, or get it into their head that the only way out of school etc is to have a baby :( there need to be better life choices for these teenagers.

what would they rather she had a baby at 13 its a verey gd thing the schools are doing this to many young girls are ending up with babys i was there when my 14yr old had hers done it hurt for a few secs that was all and weather we all agree are not kids are haveing sex so if this stops kids haveing kids why not

kazzey74 wrote:
what would they rather she had a baby at 13 its a verey gd thing the schools are doing this to many young girls are ending up with babys i was there when my 14yr old had hers done it hurt for a few secs that was all and weather we all agree are not kids are haveing sex so if this stops kids haveing kids why not

Eh?

If parents took more time to look after their offspring and teach them what is right and wrong , perhaps these teenage girls would not end up in trouble.

hythe knights wrote:
If parents took more time to look after their offspring and teach them what is right and wrong , perhaps these teenage girls would not end up in trouble.

That's it though, it's not 'trouble' is it?

It means rent free 3 bed house.

It's a very rewarding career, pumping out offspring.

If that picture is of a 13 year old girl who has been taking contraceptives, then there is something seriously wrong with her.

Apparently the side effects include 'serious mood swings and weight gain.' So, not unlike being pregnant really, then. In fact, not unlike being a teenager for that matter.

On a more serious note, just how does the Government figure that giving young girls depot shot contraceptive injections is going to REDUCE sexual infections? It will certainly cut pregnancies, I agree, but will in a small number of cases encourage sexual experimentation which would otherwise not have taken place. Still, I'm sure it comes as part of a raft of measures rather than a stand-alone procedure.

Is it not illegal for a child to have sexual intercourse? Maybe the Law has changed? But if it is illegal then surely by providing these contraceptive measures we are condoning the initial offence?

As usual the Echo haven't published proper facts. Let me try and answer a few things here:

Firstly, the Sexual Offences Act 2003 protects under 16 year olds from sexual abuse. However that does NOT mean it's illegal to have sex under 16 years. The law protects teenagers who have consensual sex. Children under 13 years CANNOT in any circumstances consent to sex and is therefore rape even if the under 13 thinks they are consenting. 13-16 year olds CAN give consent to sex so as long as both parties agree, they can legally have sex.

In regards to under 16 year olds being given contraception, NO under 13 year old will ever be given contraception, as under 13 year olds cannot have sex. They would only be given sex education. Over 13 year olds will be given contraception without parental permission in certain circumstances. The staff who issue this are well trained in child protection issues and child welfare etc. They will not just hand out contraception to under 16 year olds. They will have to ask lots of questions to ensure the teen understands what they're getting into i.e sex and the emotional/physical issues that comes with it. They will make sure the intended partner is of similar age and both are consent etc. Then if they believe that the teen will have sex regardless of whether they give contraception or not, then they can make the decision to give them contraception to keep them safe. The teen will have follow ups to ensure their physical and emotional well-being is looked after once they start sexual activity.

In regards to what contraception is given out, that is a case by case decision. If the implant is given, it is because the person has been deemed incapable of using other less intrusive methods such as the pill. Usually because of their age, teens will forget to take it and so the implant is usually the safest option. It will be stressed that it does not protect against STIs and they will be taught and tested on how to use condoms and given some to take with them.

The Echo, along with others, imply that contraception is just handed out to anyone teenager that asks. That is NOT the case.

Whilst I personally disagree with teenagers having sex as I think they are too young to understand the emotional/physical consequences, I would rather they are having safer sex (the teens will be taught about safer sex not safe sex as there is no such thing as safe sex as no contraception is 100%) and am happier knowing a trained adult is looking out for them when they are not able/willing to talk to the parents.

I would be furious if this happened to my daughter without my consent.
What on earth is this country coming too!!!
I cannot believe a child can consent to this , legally i would be seriously kicking toosh.
Name and shame the schools as my daughter will not be going to them !!
Put all the teen boys on pill injections instead an see how fast it kicks off then, well handbags at dawn tut

Thank you for clarifying mammabee :-)

Maybe if they altered the act to make it so you have to be over 16 or even 18?

It doesn't make sense that you can practice making a baby but can't have a fag or drink alcohol. The priorities are wrong somewhere?

IronLady2010 wrote:
Is it not illegal for a child to have sexual intercourse? Maybe the Law has changed? But if it is illegal then surely by providing these contraceptive measures we are condoning the initial offence?

Balaclavas are used for bank robberies (allegedly) - does that make my nan complicit then?

Seriously though this is what the Law says:-
The various sexual offences laws in force in the UK do not affect the ability of professionals to provide confidential sexual health advice, information or treatment. Each specifically states that this is not an offence if it is in order to protect the young person’s sexual health, physical safety or emotional wellbeing. Mammabee is right (that is sourced from the FPA). But I still think that it's dangerous to bypass parental involvement. the NHS need to work harder with parents and kids together, to make informed and open choices.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Is it not illegal for a child to have sexual intercourse? Maybe the Law has changed? But if it is illegal then surely by providing these contraceptive measures we are condoning the initial offence?

Balaclavas are used for bank robberies (allegedly) - does that make my nan complicit then?

Seriously though this is what the Law says:-
The various sexual offences laws in force in the UK do not affect the ability of professionals to provide confidential sexual health advice, information or treatment. Each specifically states that this is not an offence if it is in order to protect the young person’s sexual health, physical safety or emotional wellbeing. Mammabee is right (that is sourced from the FPA). But I still think that it's dangerous to bypass parental involvement. the NHS need to work harder with parents and kids together, to make informed and open choices.

I share your views entirely. I don't think the NHS would make much difference even if they worked harder with parents and children alike.

Just because you are a good parent, there are many others who are far from your standards and this is where the problem is.

Would the parents that are against this rather their 13 year olds became pregnant then? I have a daughter (albeit she is only 5 years old) and I can only hope that she feels she is able to talk to me about these things when the time comes, unfortunateley a lot of teenagers do not want to speak to parents who treat them like small children and refuse to accept that their children are not perfect. I only hope that if my daughter does not wish to confide in me then she can get herself some kind of protection instead of the alternitive because weather sex is illegal, immoral or just plain wrong in the eyes of parents, teens are going to do it! I don't condone it but there it is and the more you tell a teen NOT to do something the more they want to do it anyway! And as for thos parents who are checking the arms of their daughters, is this not classed as child abuse? I didn't realise they were pieces of meat! You do not own them! They are human beings with free will weather you like it or not!

Dear god, what chance do the kids have eh?

Please excuse the spelling mistakes, darn predictive text! :p

I have no issue with your spelling ;-)

jazzi wrote:
I would be furious if this happened to my daughter without my consent.
What on earth is this country coming too!!!
I cannot believe a child can consent to this , legally i would be seriously kicking toosh.
Name and shame the schools as my daughter will not be going to them !!
Put all the teen boys on pill injections instead an see how fast it kicks off then, well handbags at dawn tut

EVERY secondary school, Sixth=form College, youth club, GP surgery, A&E department, GUM clinic in the UK do this. It's a government initiative to cut down on under-age pregnancies.

someone should tell TSTC in sholing the law. 12 years olds in year 8 were given condoms by this "promote sex initiative" charity ! the parents had to BOTH give their objections otherwise they were given out..... so its illegal for 12 years old to have sex yet sholing are allowing perverts into their school to hand out condoms to 12 years olds !?!? Hmmmmm this charity should maybe be prosecuted me thinks...

I'd never heard of this, In my view this should be criminal assault if conducted without the consent of the parent, I'd love to see this challenged in court. Disgusting, sinister, but in tune with modern ethics and morality I suppose, and, judging by the number of people defending this just what society desrves, god help the little children.

MGRA wrote:
someone should tell TSTC in sholing the law. 12 years olds in year 8 were given condoms by this "promote sex initiative" charity ! the parents had to BOTH give their objections otherwise they were given out..... so its illegal for 12 years old to have sex yet sholing are allowing perverts into their school to hand out condoms to 12 years olds !?!? Hmmmmm this charity should maybe be prosecuted me thinks...

They're not breaking the law. As long as they educated the 11-13 year olds that sex is illegal at their age, they can, as part of the government's safer sex campaign, give them condoms (usually only two each) to play with. It's been proven that if 11-13 year olds know what condoms look like, feel like etc then they are more likely to use them when they are old enough to have sex. They would have stressed that sex was illegal under 13 years but that the classes for getting them ready for when they are older.

Again, these people are very closely governed. When your child comes home with condoms it may appear that it was reckless but these are trained professionals who would have taught the children all about legal sex, and the terrible diseases they will get when they're older if they have protective sex.

It's part of the government's sex education program for 11-16 year olds. Don't be angry with the schools/professional
/charities etc, be angry with the government.

chrisdemeanour wrote:
I'd never heard of this, In my view this should be criminal assault if conducted without the consent of the parent, I'd love to see this challenged in court. Disgusting, sinister, but in tune with modern ethics and morality I suppose, and, judging by the number of people defending this just what society desrves, god help the little children.

Totally agree, menotyou feels it's abuse for a parent to check the arm of a child, yet alone a stranger perform minor surgery without parental consent.

Tatoos, piercings, fags, booze etc all illegal, but hey ho have the implant so you can have sex!

It is just wrong, or am I just old?

IronLady2010 wrote:

chrisdemeanour wrote:
I'd never heard of this, In my view this should be criminal assault if conducted without the consent of the parent, I'd love to see this challenged in court. Disgusting, sinister, but in tune with modern ethics and morality I suppose, and, judging by the number of people defending this just what society desrves, god help the little children.

Totally agree, menotyou feels it's abuse for a parent to check the arm of a child, yet alone a stranger perform minor surgery without parental consent.

Tatoos, piercings, fags, booze etc all illegal, but hey ho have the implant so you can have sex!

It is just wrong, or am I just old?

It's been challenged in court many times and that is why the people performing such procedures have to work to such strict legal and ethical guidelines. The decision to put an implant in without parental permission can be legally justified if it can be shown that the 'professional' made sure the teen was competent in making the decision and that without the implant they would be at risk as they would still go out and have sex.

It kind of comes under child protection law. Same theory as taking your child away from harm when needed. They are taking away the harm of unwanted pregnancies.

The law is very complex and so are teenagers! Although I think the government has gone too far with their sex education policies, the current law and guidelines are based on years of research and law cases from angry mothers.

mammabee wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

chrisdemeanour wrote:
I'd never heard of this, In my view this should be criminal assault if conducted without the consent of the parent, I'd love to see this challenged in court. Disgusting, sinister, but in tune with modern ethics and morality I suppose, and, judging by the number of people defending this just what society desrves, god help the little children.

Totally agree, menotyou feels it's abuse for a parent to check the arm of a child, yet alone a stranger perform minor surgery without parental consent.

Tatoos, piercings, fags, booze etc all illegal, but hey ho have the implant so you can have sex!

It is just wrong, or am I just old?

It's been challenged in court many times and that is why the people performing such procedures have to work to such strict legal and ethical guidelines. The decision to put an implant in without parental permission can be legally justified if it can be shown that the 'professional' made sure the teen was competent in making the decision and that without the implant they would be at risk as they would still go out and have sex.

It kind of comes under child protection law. Same theory as taking your child away from harm when needed. They are taking away the harm of unwanted pregnancies.

The law is very complex and so are teenagers! Although I think the government has gone too far with their sex education policies, the current law and guidelines are based on years of research and law cases from angry mothers.

Now I really am depressed!!!

kazzey74 wrote:
what would they rather she had a baby at 13 its a verey gd thing the schools are doing this to many young girls are ending up with babys i was there when my 14yr old had hers done it hurt for a few secs that was all and weather we all agree are not kids are haveing sex so if this stops kids haveing kids why not

kazzey74, are you being deliberately dim or do you really epitomise what is wrong with society? Sex at 13 is classified as statutory rape. No ifs, no buts. It is rape because a 13 year old can not consent to sex at 13. A parent's role is to protect, not to take the attitude of 'I can't be arsed to instil the law so I'll just come up with a fail-safe (?) defence'. There is no such thing as sex at 13 or under, only RAPE you daft being.

mammabee wrote:

MGRA wrote:
someone should tell TSTC in sholing the law. 12 years olds in year 8 were given condoms by this "promote sex initiative" charity ! the parents had to BOTH give their objections otherwise they were given out..... so its illegal for 12 years old to have sex yet sholing are allowing perverts into their school to hand out condoms to 12 years olds !?!? Hmmmmm this charity should maybe be prosecuted me thinks...

They're not breaking the law. As long as they educated the 11-13 year olds that sex is illegal at their age, they can, as part of the government's safer sex campaign, give them condoms (usually only two each) to play with. It's been proven that if 11-13 year olds know what condoms look like, feel like etc then they are more likely to use them when they are old enough to have sex. They would have stressed that sex was illegal under 13 years but that the classes for getting them ready for when they are older.

Again, these people are very closely governed. When your child comes home with condoms it may appear that it was reckless but these are trained professionals who would have taught the children all about legal sex, and the terrible diseases they will get when they're older if they have protective sex.

It's part of the government's sex education program for 11-16 year olds. Don't be angry with the schools/professional

/charities etc, be angry with the government.

you are living in cloud cuckoo land... the teachers are not in control and have no say on what is said/done and have no supervision. The schools have no proof of CRB from this charity. You put your kids in the care of a school ( which incidentally, do not have to CRB check teachers who have been qualified for more than 15 or so years ,,echo you can check this, see how many older teachers at primary schools have NO CRB ) and that school then let these people loose on your kids. 12 is too young to have un qualified people promote sex within the classroom.... If this happened at hampshire schools then thousands of parents would march on the gates, if southampton has sunk this low then fair enough. This is NOT holland, we do not have an open approach to sex in this country and school is not the place for 12 year old to be encouraged to have sex.

I wonder if this has been tested in court?

If not, then there's a question about 'informed consent' that needs answering here.

cantthinkofone wrote:
I wonder if this has been tested in court?

If not, then there's a question about 'informed consent' that needs answering here.

Just seen mammabee's comment, which it seems answers my question.

MGRA wrote:

mammabee wrote:

MGRA wrote:
someone should tell TSTC in sholing the law. 12 years olds in year 8 were given condoms by this "promote sex initiative" charity ! the parents had to BOTH give their objections otherwise they were given out..... so its illegal for 12 years old to have sex yet sholing are allowing perverts into their school to hand out condoms to 12 years olds !?!? Hmmmmm this charity should maybe be prosecuted me thinks...

They're not breaking the law. As long as they educated the 11-13 year olds that sex is illegal at their age, they can, as part of the government's safer sex campaign, give them condoms (usually only two each) to play with. It's been proven that if 11-13 year olds know what condoms look like, feel like etc then they are more likely to use them when they are old enough to have sex. They would have stressed that sex was illegal under 13 years but that the classes for getting them ready for when they are older.

Again, these people are very closely governed. When your child comes home with condoms it may appear that it was reckless but these are trained professionals who would have taught the children all about legal sex, and the terrible diseases they will get when they're older if they have protective sex.

It's part of the government's sex education program for 11-16 year olds. Don't be angry with the schools/professional


/charities etc, be angry with the government.

you are living in cloud cuckoo land... the teachers are not in control and have no say on what is said/done and have no supervision. The schools have no proof of CRB from this charity. You put your kids in the care of a school ( which incidentally, do not have to CRB check teachers who have been qualified for more than 15 or so years ,,echo you can check this, see how many older teachers at primary schools have NO CRB ) and that school then let these people loose on your kids. 12 is too young to have un qualified people promote sex within the classroom.... If this happened at hampshire schools then thousands of parents would march on the gates, if southampton has sunk this low then fair enough. This is NOT holland, we do not have an open approach to sex in this country and school is not the place for 12 year old to be encouraged to have sex.

"perverts"? "encouraged"?

Frankly, you're nuts.

When will this country get round to teaching children 'healthy relationships' as opposed to 'healthy sex'?
If my child were given the implant at 13, I would be going for a prosecution.

MGRA wrote:

mammabee wrote:

MGRA wrote:
someone should tell TSTC in sholing the law. 12 years olds in year 8 were given condoms by this "promote sex initiative" charity ! the parents had to BOTH give their objections otherwise they were given out..... so its illegal for 12 years old to have sex yet sholing are allowing perverts into their school to hand out condoms to 12 years olds !?!? Hmmmmm this charity should maybe be prosecuted me thinks...

They're not breaking the law. As long as they educated the 11-13 year olds that sex is illegal at their age, they can, as part of the government's safer sex campaign, give them condoms (usually only two each) to play with. It's been proven that if 11-13 year olds know what condoms look like, feel like etc then they are more likely to use them when they are old enough to have sex. They would have stressed that sex was illegal under 13 years but that the classes for getting them ready for when they are older.

Again, these people are very closely governed. When your child comes home with condoms it may appear that it was reckless but these are trained professionals who would have taught the children all about legal sex, and the terrible diseases they will get when they're older if they have protective sex.

It's part of the government's sex education program for 11-16 year olds. Don't be angry with the schools/professional


/charities etc, be angry with the government.

you are living in cloud cuckoo land... the teachers are not in control and have no say on what is said/done and have no supervision. The schools have no proof of CRB from this charity. You put your kids in the care of a school ( which incidentally, do not have to CRB check teachers who have been qualified for more than 15 or so years ,,echo you can check this, see how many older teachers at primary schools have NO CRB ) and that school then let these people loose on your kids. 12 is too young to have un qualified people promote sex within the classroom.... If this happened at hampshire schools then thousands of parents would march on the gates, if southampton has sunk this low then fair enough. This is NOT holland, we do not have an open approach to sex in this country and school is not the place for 12 year old to be encouraged to have sex.

I'm sorry to inform you MGRA, but Hampshire actually provides more contraception to under 16 year olds than Southampton. Hampshire also provides this service in ALL their 11+ after school activities clubs including all Hampshire County Council's youth clubs.

As for these charities, you are very much mistaken if you think anyone can just walk into schools unchecked. All sexual health organisations coming in to school has to provide the council with evidence that all their staff is CRB checked and that all have AT LEAST tier 1 and tier 2 training in Sex and Relationships. You also are clearly not aware that most of these charities are actually subsidiaries of the council and a lot of the people working for them are actually paid by the council. This is especially true in Hampshire County Council where the 'charity staff' are actually council employed staff from their youth clubs who are paid to come into the schools to provide this service.

People need to educate themselves about the services the schools are providing young people. Only then are you able to have a true opinion on what you believe is right or wrong.

Jumping to conclusions and thinking schools are allowing unchecked strangers into schools to provide implants, injections etc in the school lunch break with no questions asked just supports the government's thinking in that parents are not educated enough to make decisions for their children.

Tike wrote:
When will this country get round to teaching children 'healthy relationships' as opposed to 'healthy sex'?
If my child were given the implant at 13, I would be going for a prosecution.

Healthy relationships is taught within sex education classes.

Also, when a young person asks for contraception, part of the legal guidelines ensures that the professional must be satisfied that the young person is aware of what a healthy relationship is to justify giving the contraception without parental consent. They also make sure they follow up on young people after they are sent away with contraception to ensure the relationship they are in is healthy and to try to educated that teenager if they feel the relationship is otherwise.

Unfortunately, and sadly, long have gone the days of teenagers dating and kissing behind the bike sheds. Healthy relationships in young people is now expected to include sex. It's sad but it's society as a whole that has got us to that point not the schools' contraception policies.

cantthinkofone wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:
I wonder if this has been tested in court?

If not, then there's a question about 'informed consent' that needs answering here.

Just seen mammabee's comment, which it seems answers my question.

If you fancy reading about the leading case back in the 1980s try googling 'Gillick/Fraser'

The woman tried to stop her 5 daughter being allowed contraception and abortions (yes the school/council does take under 16 year olds for abortions WITHOUT the parent's consent/knowledge).

The case is the primary source on deciding whether or not under 16 year olds can have any form of medical procedure including contraception and abortions without parental consent.

mammabee wrote:

MGRA wrote:

mammabee wrote:

MGRA wrote:
someone should tell TSTC in sholing the law. 12 years olds in year 8 were given condoms by this "promote sex initiative" charity ! the parents had to BOTH give their objections otherwise they were given out..... so its illegal for 12 years old to have sex yet sholing are allowing perverts into their school to hand out condoms to 12 years olds !?!? Hmmmmm this charity should maybe be prosecuted me thinks...

They're not breaking the law. As long as they educated the 11-13 year olds that sex is illegal at their age, they can, as part of the government's safer sex campaign, give them condoms (usually only two each) to play with. It's been proven that if 11-13 year olds know what condoms look like, feel like etc then they are more likely to use them when they are old enough to have sex. They would have stressed that sex was illegal under 13 years but that the classes for getting them ready for when they are older.

Again, these people are very closely governed. When your child comes home with condoms it may appear that it was reckless but these are trained professionals who would have taught the children all about legal sex, and the terrible diseases they will get when they're older if they have protective sex.

It's part of the government's sex education program for 11-16 year olds. Don't be angry with the schools/professional



/charities etc, be angry with the government.

you are living in cloud cuckoo land... the teachers are not in control and have no say on what is said/done and have no supervision. The schools have no proof of CRB from this charity. You put your kids in the care of a school ( which incidentally, do not have to CRB check teachers who have been qualified for more than 15 or so years ,,echo you can check this, see how many older teachers at primary schools have NO CRB ) and that school then let these people loose on your kids. 12 is too young to have un qualified people promote sex within the classroom.... If this happened at hampshire schools then thousands of parents would march on the gates, if southampton has sunk this low then fair enough. This is NOT holland, we do not have an open approach to sex in this country and school is not the place for 12 year old to be encouraged to have sex.

I'm sorry to inform you MGRA, but Hampshire actually provides more contraception to under 16 year olds than Southampton. Hampshire also provides this service in ALL their 11+ after school activities clubs including all Hampshire County Council's youth clubs.

As for these charities, you are very much mistaken if you think anyone can just walk into schools unchecked. All sexual health organisations coming in to school has to provide the council with evidence that all their staff is CRB checked and that all have AT LEAST tier 1 and tier 2 training in Sex and Relationships. You also are clearly not aware that most of these charities are actually subsidiaries of the council and a lot of the people working for them are actually paid by the council. This is especially true in Hampshire County Council where the 'charity staff' are actually council employed staff from their youth clubs who are paid to come into the schools to provide this service.

People need to educate themselves about the services the schools are providing young people. Only then are you able to have a true opinion on what you believe is right or wrong.

Jumping to conclusions and thinking schools are allowing unchecked strangers into schools to provide implants, injections etc in the school lunch break with no questions asked just supports the government's thinking in that parents are not educated enough to make decisions for their children.

you are incorrect and did not read my post properly. The SCHOOL allowed people into their grounds to illegally promote sex with 12 year olds and the SCHOOL did not once see any CRB themselves. Its just this sort of "2nd hand" assumed clearance that can lead to danger. So basically these people can walk into a school and say "don't worry, I have clearance, no one checks and then they start promoting sex with 12 year olds. I use the word "pervert" because assaulting a minor for the purposes of enabling them to have sex without the consent of their parents is perverted. I am not stupid. I totally understand the reason why this is done and the benefits it will bring to the vunerable children whose homelife is already a car crash,,,, but,,,, doing this in school and pretending its "normal" by letting these nutters into the classroom to hand our condoms to 12 year old is ridiculous. Its abnormal. If sex education from primary years and the laws of the land were changed then this is a different matter. But they are not. Its not acceptable to brainwash 12 years olds that sex at that age is normal so "here is a condom". Its abnormal. And Back to the CRB issue, These charities should provide the school front desk with PROOF of their clearance like any one else entering the school.... they do NOT.

Ok, so i totally disagree with giving girls implants without parents permission (if the are under 16).

However what is with all the bashing of sex education? I ahd my first sex ed class over 16 years ago when i was 11 years old! I did not have sex that night as a result! Back then condoms were not used, demonstrated, or giving out - but i do wish they had been explained and shown how to use properly, so that i was more prepared when i did become sexually active.

like it or not youths are having sex younger and younger - its wrong but it happens. And personally i would rather my children knew what condoms are, what they look like, how they work and why they are sooo important!

implants do not stop STIs so these should not be promoted as a sexually health tool - it stops unwanted pregnancies only NOT HIV and the rest!

MGRA wrote:

mammabee wrote:

MGRA wrote:

mammabee wrote:

MGRA wrote:
someone should tell TSTC in sholing the law. 12 years olds in year 8 were given condoms by this "promote sex initiative" charity ! the parents had to BOTH give their objections otherwise they were given out..... so its illegal for 12 years old to have sex yet sholing are allowing perverts into their school to hand out condoms to 12 years olds !?!? Hmmmmm this charity should maybe be prosecuted me thinks...

They're not breaking the law. As long as they educated the 11-13 year olds that sex is illegal at their age, they can, as part of the government's safer sex campaign, give them condoms (usually only two each) to play with. It's been proven that if 11-13 year olds know what condoms look like, feel like etc then they are more likely to use them when they are old enough to have sex. They would have stressed that sex was illegal under 13 years but that the classes for getting them ready for when they are older.

Again, these people are very closely governed. When your child comes home with condoms it may appear that it was reckless but these are trained professionals who would have taught the children all about legal sex, and the terrible diseases they will get when they're older if they have protective sex.

It's part of the government's sex education program for 11-16 year olds. Don't be angry with the schools/professional




/charities etc, be angry with the government.

you are living in cloud cuckoo land... the teachers are not in control and have no say on what is said/done and have no supervision. The schools have no proof of CRB from this charity. You put your kids in the care of a school ( which incidentally, do not have to CRB check teachers who have been qualified for more than 15 or so years ,,echo you can check this, see how many older teachers at primary schools have NO CRB ) and that school then let these people loose on your kids. 12 is too young to have un qualified people promote sex within the classroom.... If this happened at hampshire schools then thousands of parents would march on the gates, if southampton has sunk this low then fair enough. This is NOT holland, we do not have an open approach to sex in this country and school is not the place for 12 year old to be encouraged to have sex.

I'm sorry to inform you MGRA, but Hampshire actually provides more contraception to under 16 year olds than Southampton. Hampshire also provides this service in ALL their 11+ after school activities clubs including all Hampshire County Council's youth clubs.

As for these charities, you are very much mistaken if you think anyone can just walk into schools unchecked. All sexual health organisations coming in to school has to provide the council with evidence that all their staff is CRB checked and that all have AT LEAST tier 1 and tier 2 training in Sex and Relationships. You also are clearly not aware that most of these charities are actually subsidiaries of the council and a lot of the people working for them are actually paid by the council. This is especially true in Hampshire County Council where the 'charity staff' are actually council employed staff from their youth clubs who are paid to come into the schools to provide this service.

People need to educate themselves about the services the schools are providing young people. Only then are you able to have a true opinion on what you believe is right or wrong.

Jumping to conclusions and thinking schools are allowing unchecked strangers into schools to provide implants, injections etc in the school lunch break with no questions asked just supports the government's thinking in that parents are not educated enough to make decisions for their children.

you are incorrect and did not read my post properly. The SCHOOL allowed people into their grounds to illegally promote sex with 12 year olds and the SCHOOL did not once see any CRB themselves. Its just this sort of "2nd hand" assumed clearance that can lead to danger. So basically these people can walk into a school and say "don't worry, I have clearance, no one checks and then they start promoting sex with 12 year olds. I use the word "pervert" because assaulting a minor for the purposes of enabling them to have sex without the consent of their parents is perverted. I am not stupid. I totally understand the reason why this is done and the benefits it will bring to the vunerable children whose homelife is already a car crash,,,, but,,,, doing this in school and pretending its "normal" by letting these nutters into the classroom to hand our condoms to 12 year old is ridiculous. Its abnormal. If sex education from primary years and the laws of the land were changed then this is a different matter. But they are not. Its not acceptable to brainwash 12 years olds that sex at that age is normal so "here is a condom". Its abnormal. And Back to the CRB issue, These charities should provide the school front desk with PROOF of their clearance like any one else entering the school.... they do NOT.

They have to provide proof MGRA... Mammabee obviously works in this area, and I work with people who work in this area, although I don't agree with a 13 year old being given an implant, I do with a 15 16 year old who really felt that that they couldn't talk to their parents... but that's just my opinion as a parent. As Mammabee says, the sector is very heavily regulated.... everyone in schools have to be CRB'd - even staff who have been there for a long time, that is what happens. Iunless you can prove that they did not... in which case they have broken the law so should be reported...... sorry but your posts sound a bit hysterical and uninformed :(

On a lighter note, I would like to share my 13 year old's statement after some sex-ed at school and then a further conversation with me when she got home "urgh that's so disgusting, I want a baby when I'm much older though, do you think I could have IVF"? I had to laugh!

mammabee wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:
I wonder if this has been tested in court?

If not, then there's a question about 'informed consent' that needs answering here.

Just seen mammabee's comment, which it seems answers my question.

If you fancy reading about the leading case back in the 1980s try googling 'Gillick/Fraser'

The woman tried to stop her 5 daughter being allowed contraception and abortions (yes the school/council does take under 16 year olds for abortions WITHOUT the parent's consent/knowledge).

The case is the primary source on deciding whether or not under 16 year olds can have any form of medical procedure including contraception and abortions without parental consent.

I too was wondering about Gillick competence; it seems to have been completely overlooked!

my daughters (12 and 13) haven't heard of this being offered, not only is it wrong but its dangerous too, they don't know their full medical history and what might happen if there's an interaction and they end up in hospital and the parents don't know about it?, i'm all for educating children about safe sex but how is giving them an implant safe? it may protect against pregnancy, (not 100%) but it doesn't protect against things like h.i.v and chlamydia etc, surely we should be teaching them to use condoms not giving them free reign to have sex with what they think are no consequences!, i have a good relationship with my children and we discuss this often but i know a lot of parents don't, condoms is the answer, talking to your children is the answer not implanting them with hormones and then wondering why they have diseases, this is just plain wrong, the government should be ashamed of themselves!!!!

I actually have serious doubts over the character of adults who are employed and happy to discuss these matters with young girls ( and boys), whether or not they are CRB cleared, ( only people who are caught are on the register), half the planet is addicted to **** and child abuse often features, whether it is grooming or downloading child ****, many schoolteachers are caught doing this. very very dangerous territory. Let the children grow up first.

As a Registered Nurse - now an Advanced Nurse Practitioner - who has worked in contraception and sexual health for over 10 years, treated all ages for STI infections and given contraceptive advice, including fitting implants, IUDs / IUSs giving depo injections, it has been very interesting to read the views - informed and
misinformed - of the Southampton 13 year old girl.

However, I must take issue with chrisdemeanours comments that they have
"serious doubts over the character of adults who are employed and happy to discuss these matters with young girls (and boys)"
and then goes on to imply that half of these healthcare practitioners are probably paedophiles.
This is an affront to the many dedicated professionals who work in this field, and clearly the views of a very misguided person.
It breaks my heart when I give a positive pregnancy test and then follow it up with a referral for termination...I would rather collaborate with my patient to keep them safe from pregnancy and infections.
All patients....young and old... need confiedentiality and a holistic, non judgemental approach, something which the above correspondent clearly lacks.

chrisdemeanour wrote:
I actually have serious doubts over the character of adults who are employed and happy to discuss these matters with young girls ( and boys), whether or not they are CRB cleared, ( only people who are caught are on the register), half the planet is addicted to **** and child abuse often features, whether it is grooming or downloading child ****, many schoolteachers are caught doing this. very very dangerous territory. Let the children grow up first.

What a ridiculous and insulting comment you naive fool. Stop being so judgemental. There are lots of different "characters" who do youth work just the same as in any other profession. Just because somebody wants to give a young person all the facts and options about a specific subject so that they can make an INFORMED choice does not make them a risk!!

Mrsmeme wrote:

chrisdemeanour wrote:
I actually have serious doubts over the character of adults who are employed and happy to discuss these matters with young girls ( and boys), whether or not they are CRB cleared, ( only people who are caught are on the register), half the planet is addicted to **** and child abuse often features, whether it is grooming or downloading child ****, many schoolteachers are caught doing this. very very dangerous territory. Let the children grow up first.

What a ridiculous and insulting comment you naive fool. Stop being so judgemental. There are lots of different "characters" who do youth work just the same as in any other profession. Just because somebody wants to give a young person all the facts and options about a specific subject so that they can make an INFORMED choice does not make them a risk!!

In fairness I should have said "some adults" my post but I am entitled to my opinion which I assure you is not naive. The fact you consider you have the right to consider me a fool to hold an opinion based on my own life experience, and out of concern for the welfare and moral health of children, says far more about you than me. Have a look at the real world, see some abused children, then form your own opinion instead of populist knee jerk indignation.