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8:50pm Monday 14th June 2010 in
THIS is the first view of a multi-millionpound vision to transform Southampton’s old docks into a major tourist attraction.
Historians have teamed up with the port owner and Southampton City Council for an ambitious scheme that will open the docks to the public.
The proposed centrepiece is a new aircraft museum that will be built over a dry dock next to Ocean Terminal.
The attraction, set to replace the Solent Sky Museum, would have a fullsize replica of the stern of SS Olympic, Titanic’s sister ship, built inside the old dry dock.
It will also be home to a docks visitor centre, overlooking Southampton Water, featuring interactive displays explaining the port’s operations.
Question marks remain over how the waterfront development will be funded.
It is likely that most of the cash will have to come from massive grants from arts and development organisations.
A senior Southampton City Council councillor said some cash could also come from the sale of the publiclyowned Solent Sky Museum site.
Associated British Ports, which owns the docks, is close to signing a long-term lease with a charitable trust set up to bring the vision to reality.
The agreement, which would include a nominal rent, would see the port bosses hand over a section of the Trafalgar dry dock and berth 50.
Solent Sky curator Alan Jones, the driving force behind the new scheme – named Aeronautica at Southampton – said it would open within five years.
He described it as “one of the most important heritage attractions on the south coast”.
The centre, first revealed in the Daily Echo 15 months ago, will tell the story of Southampton’s rich maritime and aviation history.
It will provide a permanent home for historical vessels including the tug tender Calshot, HMS Medusa, SS Shieldhall and Challenge.
The Calshot Spit lightship, a landmark at Ocean Village for two decades, will be moved to Trafalgar Dry Dock on Thursday.
Once the 95-year-old red ship is restored to her former glory, she will go on display at the dock head and be reopened to the public.
Port director Doug Morrison said that for the first time the public would be allowed “controlled access”
into the heart of the docks.
Mr Morrison said that on non-cruise ship days, visitors would be invited to use the car park normally reserved for cruise passengers passing through Ocean Terminal.
ABP is also looking at reopening dock gate 5 at Town Quay, which is currently used for parking by Red Funnel passengers, to allow pedestrians to walk along the quay wall to berth 50.
“Sometimes we get some criticism about not allowing access, but here we are trying to allow controlled access that will allow people to see a working port,” he said.
“It will be fabulous and we support wholeheartedly the plans, but in the economic climate it remains to be seen where the funding will come from. We will not be making any capital investment.
“We are trying to agree a long-term lease with Aeronautica, which will be a peppercorn rent. Our commitment will be allowing use of the land.”
Councillor John Hannides said the waterfront attraction would “complement” the £15m Sea City Museum planned for the civic centre.
The city council’s Cabinet member for leisure, culture and heritage said the council would consider looking into selling Solent Sky, estimated to be worth £2m to £3m, and gifting some of the proceeds to the project.
Later this year a funding bid – vital to the future of the attraction – will be submitted to the Heritage Lottery Fund.
If successful, trams could return to Southampton for the first time in half a century.
One idea is for a “heritage tramway” to operate along the quay wall between Town Quay and berth 50.
Civil engineering students at Southampton University, who recently completed a feasibility study, estimated the 700-metre route would cost about £800,000.
The students – Oli Swain, Kathy Lam, Kate Martin and Vicky Grove – concluded that the new tracks and power cables need to be installed, but one of the city’s old double- decker trams could be brought back into service.
A 105-year-old pump house, which once opened the dock’s enormous gates, could also be restored to its former glory, though is likely to remain out of working order.
Aircraft exhibits from Solent Sky, including the Supermarine S6, Sandringham Flying Boat and Spitfire, would all be rehoused in the museum.
A £50,000 feasibility study into the scheme will be launched later this summer.
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DCM
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Call2Arms
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Stillness
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joenice wrote:Yes. They are very good at pulling off.
Like it, lets hope they pull it off.
veracity
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jimbobbo
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2:01pm Mon 14 Jun 10
Linesman
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2:03pm Mon 14 Jun 10
Call2Arms wrote:In answer to question 1.
It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.
loulay
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Brite Spark
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Spot O'Bother
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2:29pm Mon 14 Jun 10
veracity
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2:41pm Mon 14 Jun 10
Spot O'Bother wrote:Thats a bummer then. Thought I was being deadly serious!!
Veracity, No. 4 had me in stitches.
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StEmmosfire
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3:08pm Mon 14 Jun 10
Linesman wrote:Think it is more to do with the flying boats and the Schneider Cup which was run in the Solent. Southampton was the first real Airport hence where the name originates from Air and Port in reference to the Flying boats. Funny enough I got all this information from the current aircraft museum!
Call2Arms wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.
legod7
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3:10pm Mon 14 Jun 10
Call2Arms wrote:OBVIOUSLY YOU DID NOT READ THE ARTICLE.
It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.
Brite Spark
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3:54pm Mon 14 Jun 10
StEmmosfire
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4:01pm Mon 14 Jun 10
Brite Spark wrote:Thanks, I knew it was one or the other, should have copied it straight from Wiki eh?
It was The Schneider Trophy not the Schneider Cup!
Ben Doone
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4:02pm Mon 14 Jun 10
Linesman wrote:Linesman
Call2Arms wrote:In answer to question 1.
It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.
Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built?
Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan.
That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.
Brite Spark
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4:19pm Mon 14 Jun 10
StEmmosfire wrote:Don't give me that I know my stuff, before WW2 the Brits would regularly give the Fokkas from Germany a good seeing to in The Solent.
Brite Spark wrote:Thanks, I knew it was one or the other, should have copied it straight from Wiki eh?
It was The Schneider Trophy not the Schneider Cup!
Linesman
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4:24pm Mon 14 Jun 10
StEmmosfire wrote:Without wishing to split hairs, it was my understanding that the Schneider Trophy was run from Calshot and until a couple of decades ago, the airport was Eastleigh Airport.
Linesman wrote:Think it is more to do with the flying boats and the Schneider Cup which was run in the Solent. Southampton was the first real Airport hence where the name originates from Air and Port in reference to the Flying boats. Funny enough I got all this information from the current aircraft museum!Call2Arms wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.
StEmmosfire
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4:24pm Mon 14 Jun 10
Brite Spark wrote:Calm down, I wasnt suggesting anything! Was just saying I could have checked before posting but couldnt be @rsed..... Cup/Trophy the Schneider bit was important :-)
StEmmosfire wrote:Don't give me that I know my stuff, before WW2 the Brits would regularly give the Fokkas from Germany a good seeing to in The Solent.Brite Spark wrote: It was The Schneider Trophy not the Schneider Cup!Thanks, I knew it was one or the other, should have copied it straight from Wiki eh?
StEmmosfire
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10:05pm Mon 14 Jun 10
Linesman wrote:Im not talking about Eastleigh, I'm talking about the dock where the flying boats used to take off from.
StEmmosfire wrote:Without wishing to split hairs, it was my understanding that the Schneider Trophy was run from Calshot and until a couple of decades ago, the airport was Eastleigh Airport. However, I am pretty certain that the Spitfire was built in Southampton and R J Mitchell, its designer, lived in Hythe.Linesman wrote:Think it is more to do with the flying boats and the Schneider Cup which was run in the Solent. Southampton was the first real Airport hence where the name originates from Air and Port in reference to the Flying boats. Funny enough I got all this information from the current aircraft museum!Call2Arms wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.
Stillness
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10:33pm Mon 14 Jun 10
southy
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11:13pm Mon 14 Jun 10
StEmmosfire wrote:the schneider trophy was also raced in other countrys and its full name for this trophy was "la Coupe de'aviation maritime jacques schneider. bit off a mouthfull so the brits just called it schneider trophy.
Linesman wrote:Think it is more to do with the flying boats and the Schneider Cup which was run in the Solent. Southampton was the first real Airport hence where the name originates from Air and Port in reference to the Flying boats. Funny enough I got all this information from the current aircraft museum!
Call2Arms wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.
WoolstonSean
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11:34pm Mon 14 Jun 10
southy
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11:42pm Mon 14 Jun 10
WoolstonSean wrote:do you need glasses.
Now where is Southy, I would have thought he would have made an apprearance on this topic unless he has gone off somewhere from his favourite airport 'Bournemouth'!
But how refreshing to read other people's view's without getting wound up by his stupid comments!
OSPREYSAINT
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11:54pm Mon 14 Jun 10
Call2Arms wrote:1) Why not an aircraft Museum?, it is to replace the one we already have, (I bet 99% of you have never seen it) which although very good is looking a bit run down, it needs more space to display the excellent collection of historic aircraft.
It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.
Redback
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Linesman
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StEmmosfire wrote:The flying boats did not take off from Southampton. They took off/landed off Calshot and then taxied to/from their berth in Southampton near where the Hythe Ferry arrived.
Linesman wrote:Im not talking about Eastleigh, I'm talking about the dock where the flying boats used to take off from.StEmmosfire wrote:Without wishing to split hairs, it was my understanding that the Schneider Trophy was run from Calshot and until a couple of decades ago, the airport was Eastleigh Airport. However, I am pretty certain that the Spitfire was built in Southampton and R J Mitchell, its designer, lived in Hythe.Linesman wrote:Think it is more to do with the flying boats and the Schneider Cup which was run in the Solent. Southampton was the first real Airport hence where the name originates from Air and Port in reference to the Flying boats. Funny enough I got all this information from the current aircraft museum!Call2Arms wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.
Call2Arms
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Brite Spark
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Brite Spark
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southy
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Linesman wrote:there was also a jetty for passengers at calshot, before the war, i believe the jetty is still there, was never use again for flying boat passengers when the war started or after the war. like you said the raf moved in.
StEmmosfire wrote:The flying boats did not take off from Southampton. They took off/landed off Calshot and then taxied to/from their berth in Southampton near where the Hythe Ferry arrived.
Linesman wrote:Im not talking about Eastleigh, I'm talking about the dock where the flying boats used to take off from.StEmmosfire wrote:Without wishing to split hairs, it was my understanding that the Schneider Trophy was run from Calshot and until a couple of decades ago, the airport was Eastleigh Airport. However, I am pretty certain that the Spitfire was built in Southampton and R J Mitchell, its designer, lived in Hythe.Linesman wrote:Think it is more to do with the flying boats and the Schneider Cup which was run in the Solent. Southampton was the first real Airport hence where the name originates from Air and Port in reference to the Flying boats. Funny enough I got all this information from the current aircraft museum!Call2Arms wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.
During the war, they also operated from Calshot Castle which was part of RAF Calshot - an air-sea rescue service.
Ben Doone
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10:54am Tue 15 Jun 10
Linesman wrote:Interesting info on the Flying Boats
StEmmosfire wrote:The flying boats did not take off from Southampton. They took off/landed off Calshot and then taxied to/from their berth in Southampton near where the Hythe Ferry arrived. During the war, they also operated from Calshot Castle which was part of RAF Calshot - an air-sea rescue service.Linesman wrote:Im not talking about Eastleigh, I'm talking about the dock where the flying boats used to take off from.StEmmosfire wrote:Without wishing to split hairs, it was my understanding that the Schneider Trophy was run from Calshot and until a couple of decades ago, the airport was Eastleigh Airport. However, I am pretty certain that the Spitfire was built in Southampton and R J Mitchell, its designer, lived in Hythe.Linesman wrote:Think it is more to do with the flying boats and the Schneider Cup which was run in the Solent. Southampton was the first real Airport hence where the name originates from Air and Port in reference to the Flying boats. Funny enough I got all this information from the current aircraft museum!Call2Arms wrote: It does look good, but two questions.... 1. Why an aircraft museum? 2. Southampton is world famous for the Titanic, not for her sister ship the Olympic so what's the point of having a full size replica of the stern? Surely it would make sense to have a Titanic museum with replica's, interactive stuff etc etc. What with the film etc we really should be making the most of our Titanic legacy. Glad they are showing some ambition though.In answer to question 1. Had you ever wondered where the Spitfire was built? Seeing the artist's impression of what the new building would look like, I was immediately reminded of the proposed new stadium for Portsmouth FC at The Hard, which resembled a bedpan. That never left the artist's drawing board, and I would not mind betting that this will suffer the same fate.
thesouth
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Zeo
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Ben Doone
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printbunny
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12:42pm Tue 15 Jun 10
Stillness wrote:YEP...horrible architectural illustration. You need to sell this to the people of Southampton long before it's built
Picture courtesy of a two year old.
Dave of Dibden
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1:54pm Tue 15 Jun 10
Mustafa J
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goard
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Ben Doone
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OSPREYSAINT
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2:38pm Wed 16 Jun 10
Dave of Dibden wrote:I know a better site for a Container Port, it is called Dibden Bay.
Why not build a contianer terminal, much more sense
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