Leaked reports from Middle East reveal proposal to cut QE2 in half

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Southampton’s former liner Queen Elizabeth 2 is set to be sliced in two as part of her conversion into a floating hotel in Dubai it can be revealed.

Plans are now being drawn up which would see QE2 cut in half and a 100ft-long extension, providing extra accommodation and entertainment facilities, inserted to lengthen the vessel.

In Southampton there was a furious reaction to leaked reports from the Middle East about QE2’s future with one former passenger describing the plan as “horrifying’’. Another said they would rather see the ship scrapped.

Demands are also growing for the names Queen Elizabeth 2 and Southampton to be removed from the liner following the conversion as their continued use would be an “insult’’ to the Queen and the city, which was the ship’s home for nearly 40 years.

Watch QE2's send off from Southampton.

QE2 Enterprises, the company set up to operate the ship as a tourist attraction in the oil rich emirate, is coy when it comes to confirming or denying details of the conversion work, which is expected to take at least two years.

Although a dramatic procedure, the lengthening of vessels by cutting them in half and then adding an extra mid-section, has become increasingly common in the world’s shipyards.

If the plan to lengthen QE2 is given the go-ahead it is likely the ship will return to Europe where much of the work will be undertaken at the Lloyd Werf yard in Bremerhaven, Germany.

Hampshire author and maritime historian, Mick Lindsay, a former traveller on QE2 said: “I’m just speechless – although I’ve always had serious misgivings about what might happen to her once she was in Dubai.

“The new owners said how proud they were to own QE2 but this just shows their complete and utter disrespect for the liner that was once the most famous in the world. My concern for the ship becomes deeper and deeper the more I hear.’’ Terry Yarwood, who was part of a consortium of local businessmen who wanted to buy QE2 and keep her in Southampton, and a regular passenger on QE2 when the liner was part of the Cunard fleet said: “It would be absolutely appalling if this was to happen. I wanted to keep her in Southampton as part of our heritage but if they did cut the ship in half I think I would rather have seen her go for scrap.

“The liner will be unrecognisable if all these changes take place so the name, Queen Elizabeth 2 and that of Southampton should be removed from her hull. I think if these names were kept it would be an insult to the Queen and Southampton.’’ QE2’s final departure from Southampton, in November last year, was one of the city’s most memorable events. Hundreds of yachts, boats and pleasure craft followed the liner into the Solent and thousands of sightseers crammed vantage points along the coastline.

QE2 Enterprises has confirmed that once the ship was been transformed into a hotel it will have a private members’ club, shops selling British products, West End and Broadway-style shows and its exclusive dining room, the Queen’s Grill. On board there will be more than 200 hotel rooms, a museum, spa and health club, and a choice of restaurants.

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7:46am Thu 8 Jan 09

SFC Ed says...

Did they really expect anything else? Dubai is the most plastic place on the world. If it ain't 1,000ft tall / long then they're not interested.

Rust in piece QE2.
Did they really expect anything else? Dubai is the most plastic place on the world. If it ain't 1,000ft tall / long then they're not interested. Rust in piece QE2. SFC Ed
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8:39am Thu 8 Jan 09

joenice says...

Should be in southampton.
Should definatly not be allowed to be cut in half.

She is lovely as she is, no face lift required.
Should be in southampton. Should definatly not be allowed to be cut in half. She is lovely as she is, no face lift required. joenice
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8:48am Thu 8 Jan 09

10 Minute Man says...

Well they own it, they can do what they want.
Well they own it, they can do what they want. 10 Minute Man
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10:08am Thu 8 Jan 09

Old Man of the Sea says...

10 Minute Man wrote:
Well they own it, they can do what they want.
Well said
[quote][p][bold]10 Minute Man[/bold] wrote: Well they own it, they can do what they want.[/p][/quote]Well said Old Man of the Sea
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10:56am Thu 8 Jan 09

goard says...

Yeh! your right, it does not belong to us. I wonder where all that money went in Dubai purchasing her? We, the Southampton people, are not just moaning for the sake of it, politicians, look at this our way - what the heck have you done to our City? You did not know of the downturn of this Country (I wonder)but you sure as hell did not spend anything on it in the good old times. Alright, millions were spent on planning and super building of so many flats, and the derelict sites torn asunder for building 'supurb precincts and river sites' now derelict The builders run off broke, the planners happy to have their piece of gold from us, council and quango members are assured of a good salary. They say they work 'so hard', how about the workers who have worked beyond their hours and no overtime - excuse me, do you wonder why we have no respect for you. Unhappily, even the really good MPs get dragged into this disgraceful governance.

goard
Yeh! your right, it does not belong to us. I wonder where all that money went in Dubai purchasing her? We, the Southampton people, are not just moaning for the sake of it, politicians, look at this our way - what the heck have you done to our City? You did not know of the downturn of this Country (I wonder)but you sure as hell did not spend anything on it in the good old times. Alright, millions were spent on planning and super building of so many flats, and the derelict sites torn asunder for building 'supurb precincts and river sites' now derelict The builders run off broke, the planners happy to have their piece of gold from us, council and quango members are assured of a good salary. They say they work 'so hard', how about the workers who have worked beyond their hours and no overtime - excuse me, do you wonder why we have no respect for you. Unhappily, even the really good MPs get dragged into this disgraceful governance. goard goard
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11:14am Thu 8 Jan 09

merchant seaman says...

In Southampton there was a furious reaction

I didn't see any protests on the streets of Southampton over this, Maybe because we are all to worried about the credit crunch and wish we had £50 million pounds to spend on a ship and then worry about if it would insult Southampton if we wiped the name of this fantastic city of the stern of a ship ! Can you compare Southampton with Dubai??

I wonder if they have any area called Lordshill ?? he he
In Southampton there was a furious reaction I didn't see any protests on the streets of Southampton over this, Maybe because we are all to worried about the credit crunch and wish we had £50 million pounds to spend on a ship and then worry about if it would insult Southampton if we wiped the name of this fantastic city of the stern of a ship ! Can you compare Southampton with Dubai?? I wonder if they have any area called Lordshill ?? he he merchant seaman
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11:17am Thu 8 Jan 09

blonde1995 says...

no !! u cant slice it in half
no !! u cant slice it in half blonde1995
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11:41am Thu 8 Jan 09

Paramjit Bahia says...

Sentimentality and materialism are opposite poles of each other. But strangely most of those who wanted to preserve QE2 also tend to support capitalism and principles of free market i.e. Thatcherism adopted by Gordon Brown. They can't have it both ways. The ship was sold to the highest bidders by the owners who wanted to maximise their balance sheet. Now it belongs to new owners, who have every right to do with it whatever they like.

Rather than moaning about what could happen to ship in Dubai, moaners and whingers should start doing something about whatever of heritage is still left in Southampton and our Council is hell bent on destroying. For example: Renaming Mayflower Park, selling of wool house, plans to put glass sheds next to Civic Centre etc.
Sentimentality and materialism are opposite poles of each other. But strangely most of those who wanted to preserve QE2 also tend to support capitalism and principles of free market i.e. Thatcherism adopted by Gordon Brown. They can't have it both ways. The ship was sold to the highest bidders by the owners who wanted to maximise their balance sheet. Now it belongs to new owners, who have every right to do with it whatever they like. Rather than moaning about what could happen to ship in Dubai, moaners and whingers should start doing something about whatever of heritage is still left in Southampton and our Council is hell bent on destroying. For example: Renaming Mayflower Park, selling of wool house, plans to put glass sheds next to Civic Centre etc. Paramjit Bahia
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12:25pm Thu 8 Jan 09

Northamboy says...

Its a ship that no longer belongs to us not that it ever did. How many Southampton people set foot on her over the years? Less than 1% is my bet.

She has now been sold so whats all the fuss about? Its only a lump of metal and they can do what they like to her as far as I am concerned.
Its a ship that no longer belongs to us not that it ever did. How many Southampton people set foot on her over the years? Less than 1% is my bet. She has now been sold so whats all the fuss about? Its only a lump of metal and they can do what they like to her as far as I am concerned. Northamboy
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12:52pm Thu 8 Jan 09

Boris Remmington says...

It would only have ended up a rust bucket if it had stayed here.
You can bet that if it doesn't make money there will be a fire followed by insurance claim lke the QE1
It would only have ended up a rust bucket if it had stayed here. You can bet that if it doesn't make money there will be a fire followed by insurance claim lke the QE1 Boris Remmington
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1:02pm Thu 8 Jan 09

Georgebush says...

' I wonder where all that money went in Dubai purchasing her? '

Most of it is sitting in a huge building on West Quay Road that will be creating new jobs for Southampton workers.


' I wonder where all that money went in Dubai purchasing her? ' Most of it is sitting in a huge building on West Quay Road that will be creating new jobs for Southampton workers. Georgebush
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1:09pm Thu 8 Jan 09

jason bourne says...

the rumour is they will slice it long ways and make it 100ft wider!
the rumour is they will slice it long ways and make it 100ft wider! jason bourne
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1:14pm Thu 8 Jan 09

Alf says...

Northamboy wrote:
Its a ship that no longer belongs to us not that it ever did. How many Southampton people set foot on her over the years? Less than 1% is my bet. She has now been sold so whats all the fuss about? Its only a lump of metal and they can do what they like to her as far as I am concerned.
More than your prediction I was one of many that served on her before they started employing cheap foreign labour.
To say that she is only a piece of metal is an insult to many of the crew members that served on her Qe2 was and still is respected around the world.

[quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: Its a ship that no longer belongs to us not that it ever did. How many Southampton people set foot on her over the years? Less than 1% is my bet. She has now been sold so whats all the fuss about? Its only a lump of metal and they can do what they like to her as far as I am concerned. [/p][/quote]More than your prediction I was one of many that served on her before they started employing cheap foreign labour. To say that she is only a piece of metal is an insult to many of the crew members that served on her Qe2 was and still is respected around the world. Alf
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1:20pm Thu 8 Jan 09

goard says...

Oh yeh! as say George bush, Do you have any idea of the skim off of all these quangos - yes I call them quangos - they are unelected bodies who supposedly are in it for our City alone - but is it themselves? - for a 12 hour day at the computer and like committees. Oh yeh, I wish I had such a job.

goard
Oh yeh! as say George bush, Do you have any idea of the skim off of all these quangos - yes I call them quangos - they are unelected bodies who supposedly are in it for our City alone - but is it themselves? - for a 12 hour day at the computer and like committees. Oh yeh, I wish I had such a job. goard goard
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1:44pm Thu 8 Jan 09

Miles Sway says...

Have to laugh at the "furious reaction" - she's a beautiful ship, true enough, but just maybe they'll make her more beautiful and functional, who knows; end of the day whatever they do is up to them, they own it and had they not bought it QE2 would most likely have been scrapped despite the emotional attachment many seem to have to it.
The "furious reaction" is like objecting to the person who bought your old car jazzing it up. Get over it!
Have to laugh at the "furious reaction" - she's a beautiful ship, true enough, but just maybe they'll make her more beautiful and functional, who knows; end of the day whatever they do is up to them, they own it and had they not bought it QE2 would most likely have been scrapped despite the emotional attachment many seem to have to it. The "furious reaction" is like objecting to the person who bought your old car jazzing it up. Get over it! Miles Sway
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1:47pm Thu 8 Jan 09

S!mon says...

Hmm.... I suppose when people mention QE2 in the future.. I'd rather hear them say:

"She's been turned into a fabulous tourist & holiday attraction in Dubai"

rather than:

"She was taken apart and scrapped in some metal junk yard somewhere."
Hmm.... I suppose when people mention QE2 in the future.. I'd rather hear them say: "She's been turned into a fabulous tourist & holiday attraction in Dubai" rather than: "She was taken apart and scrapped in some metal junk yard somewhere." S!mon
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2:06pm Thu 8 Jan 09

Northamboy says...

Alf wrote:
Northamboy wrote:
Its a ship that no longer belongs to us not that it ever did. How many Southampton people set foot on her over the years? Less than 1% is my bet. She has now been sold so whats all the fuss about? Its only a lump of metal and they can do what they like to her as far as I am concerned.
More than your prediction I was one of many that served on her before they started employing cheap foreign labour.
To say that she is only a piece of metal is an insult to many of the crew members that served on her Qe2 was and still is respected around the world.

Alf

She is a lump of metal isn't she? and it wasn't meant as an insult either.

Three members of my family served on her from Confectionary chef to the engine room so don't accuse me of insulting people who served on her. Just for the record my Grandmother worked on her on her maiden voyage and I worked on QM2 on her maiden voyage but they are just lumps of metal to me and will never be anything different
[quote][p][bold]Alf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: Its a ship that no longer belongs to us not that it ever did. How many Southampton people set foot on her over the years? Less than 1% is my bet. She has now been sold so whats all the fuss about? Its only a lump of metal and they can do what they like to her as far as I am concerned. [/p][/quote]More than your prediction I was one of many that served on her before they started employing cheap foreign labour. To say that she is only a piece of metal is an insult to many of the crew members that served on her Qe2 was and still is respected around the world. [/p][/quote]Alf She is a lump of metal isn't she? and it wasn't meant as an insult either. Three members of my family served on her from Confectionary chef to the engine room so don't accuse me of insulting people who served on her. Just for the record my Grandmother worked on her on her maiden voyage and I worked on QM2 on her maiden voyage but they are just lumps of metal to me and will never be anything different Northamboy
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3:15pm Thu 8 Jan 09

goard says...

One spends time working on or in her how can we must feel for a lovely boat, the Queen 2 - its part of our lives, our kith and kin have worked on her - but then how can the companies sell her off - its A BUSINESS. we, the dockers, builders, planners - owners - we are all about money.

goard
One spends time working on or in her how can we must feel for a lovely boat, the Queen 2 - its part of our lives, our kith and kin have worked on her - but then how can the companies sell her off - its A BUSINESS. we, the dockers, builders, planners - owners - we are all about money. goard goard
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3:46pm Thu 8 Jan 09

fatboy says...

blonde1995 wrote:
no !! u cant slice it in half
You're right, it'll sink if you do???
[quote][p][bold]blonde1995[/bold] wrote: no !! u cant slice it in half[/p][/quote]You're right, it'll sink if you do??? fatboy
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5:35pm Thu 8 Jan 09

sausage monkey says...

Says sighing, What have we done wrong to deserve this?
Says sighing, What have we done wrong to deserve this? sausage monkey
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6:03pm Thu 8 Jan 09

Propercynic says...

So the ship is 'just a lump of metal' - ok, but a lump of metal that meant a lot to a lot of peope.
Anyway, what was the point of the Dubai lot buying the ship, supposedly to 'cherish' her, only to then completely b ugger the thing up, if these reports are to be beleived?
So the ship is 'just a lump of metal' - ok, but a lump of metal that meant a lot to a lot of peope. Anyway, what was the point of the Dubai lot buying the ship, supposedly to 'cherish' her, only to then completely b ugger the thing up, if these reports are to be beleived? Propercynic
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6:26pm Thu 8 Jan 09

Nikki Goff says...

If the people who purchased this ship have any personal honour,(don't they belong to a culture where honour is everything?) they will treat it with respect.
Yes it might be 'just a lump of metal' to some but it has been in it's day a historic British icon of huge significance.
I'm pig sick of seeing our maritime heritage being treated with such disrespect
If the people who purchased this ship have any personal honour,(don't they belong to a culture where honour is everything?) they will treat it with respect. Yes it might be 'just a lump of metal' to some but it has been in it's day a historic British icon of huge significance. I'm pig sick of seeing our maritime heritage being treated with such disrespect Nikki Goff
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6:48pm Thu 8 Jan 09

Miles Sway says...

Nikki Goff wrote:
If the people who purchased this ship have any personal honour,(don't they belong to a culture where honour is everything?) they will treat it with respect.
Yes it might be 'just a lump of metal' to some but it has been in it's day a historic British icon of huge significance.
I'm pig sick of seeing our maritime heritage being treated with such disrespect
Sadly, if you go to Dubai you'll realise how little they care about their own culture, let alone ours, when it comes to making money.
It would have been wonderful for QE2 to stay in the UK, put her on the Thames for 2012 etc, but money talks and the Arabs have got a lot of it right now.
[quote][p][bold]Nikki Goff[/bold] wrote: If the people who purchased this ship have any personal honour,(don't they belong to a culture where honour is everything?) they will treat it with respect. Yes it might be 'just a lump of metal' to some but it has been in it's day a historic British icon of huge significance. I'm pig sick of seeing our maritime heritage being treated with such disrespect [/p][/quote]Sadly, if you go to Dubai you'll realise how little they care about their own culture, let alone ours, when it comes to making money. It would have been wonderful for QE2 to stay in the UK, put her on the Thames for 2012 etc, but money talks and the Arabs have got a lot of it right now. Miles Sway
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8:11pm Thu 8 Jan 09

southy says...

Miles Sway wrote:
Nikki Goff wrote:
If the people who purchased this ship have any personal honour,(don't they belong to a culture where honour is everything?) they will treat it with respect.
Yes it might be 'just a lump of metal' to some but it has been in it's day a historic British icon of huge significance.
I'm pig sick of seeing our maritime heritage being treated with such disrespect
Sadly, if you go to Dubai you'll realise how little they care about their own culture, let alone ours, when it comes to making money.
It would have been wonderful for QE2 to stay in the UK, put her on the Thames for 2012 etc, but money talks and the Arabs have got a lot of it right now.
what made the qe2 name was the ship before her qe1, any way with luck the old queen msry might be back in the uk before 2012, things are starting to go well over in cali for her return back to our shores.
[quote][p][bold]Miles Sway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikki Goff[/bold] wrote: If the people who purchased this ship have any personal honour,(don't they belong to a culture where honour is everything?) they will treat it with respect. Yes it might be 'just a lump of metal' to some but it has been in it's day a historic British icon of huge significance. I'm pig sick of seeing our maritime heritage being treated with such disrespect [/p][/quote]Sadly, if you go to Dubai you'll realise how little they care about their own culture, let alone ours, when it comes to making money. It would have been wonderful for QE2 to stay in the UK, put her on the Thames for 2012 etc, but money talks and the Arabs have got a lot of it right now.[/p][/quote]what made the qe2 name was the ship before her qe1, any way with luck the old queen msry might be back in the uk before 2012, things are starting to go well over in cali for her return back to our shores. southy
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8:31pm Thu 8 Jan 09

fuzzyfelt says...

well carnival who sold her are now based in southampton so stick your tongues out when you drive into ikea
well carnival who sold her are now based in southampton so stick your tongues out when you drive into ikea fuzzyfelt
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8:50pm Thu 8 Jan 09

Miles Sway says...

southy wrote:
Miles Sway wrote:
Nikki Goff wrote:
If the people who purchased this ship have any personal honour,(don't they belong to a culture where honour is everything?) they will treat it with respect.
Yes it might be 'just a lump of metal' to some but it has been in it's day a historic British icon of huge significance.
I'm pig sick of seeing our maritime heritage being treated with such disrespect
Sadly, if you go to Dubai you'll realise how little they care about their own culture, let alone ours, when it comes to making money.
It would have been wonderful for QE2 to stay in the UK, put her on the Thames for 2012 etc, but money talks and the Arabs have got a lot of it right now.
what made the qe2 name was the ship before her qe1, any way with luck the old queen msry might be back in the uk before 2012, things are starting to go well over in cali for her return back to our shores.
I can't see it happening Southy but the cost would be lost considering the overall budget for the Olympics, and what a showpiece it'd make.
The UK's been letting the family silver go overseas for too long; it's time we kept some here or well end up with nothing we can proudly call British
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Miles Sway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikki Goff[/bold] wrote: If the people who purchased this ship have any personal honour,(don't they belong to a culture where honour is everything?) they will treat it with respect. Yes it might be 'just a lump of metal' to some but it has been in it's day a historic British icon of huge significance. I'm pig sick of seeing our maritime heritage being treated with such disrespect [/p][/quote]Sadly, if you go to Dubai you'll realise how little they care about their own culture, let alone ours, when it comes to making money. It would have been wonderful for QE2 to stay in the UK, put her on the Thames for 2012 etc, but money talks and the Arabs have got a lot of it right now.[/p][/quote]what made the qe2 name was the ship before her qe1, any way with luck the old queen msry might be back in the uk before 2012, things are starting to go well over in cali for her return back to our shores.[/p][/quote]I can't see it happening Southy but the cost would be lost considering the overall budget for the Olympics, and what a showpiece it'd make. The UK's been letting the family silver go overseas for too long; it's time we kept some here or well end up with nothing we can proudly call British Miles Sway
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9:36pm Thu 8 Jan 09

10 Minute Man says...

Family Silver? Ha, good one. Just because she sailed out of Southampton doesn't mean we 'own' her. In fact the previous owners were the Carnival Corporation (USA), and she was built in Scotland. The Southampton connection? She used to stop here every couple of weeks.

Given that the turn-around time between voyages is at around 15 hours in port, I doubt very much whether she happened to spend much of her life in sunny Southampton at all.

On a similar note, if they ever scrap the number 9 bus, I will be bitterly disappointed if they don't park her up as a permanent memorial outside Bitterne Post Office. That's where I always used to see her, and as such is her rightful home. Obviously I drive a car and have never taken the number 9, but still there's a special sentimental place in my heart for the Queen of Bitterne Buses.
Family Silver? Ha, good one. Just because she sailed out of Southampton doesn't mean we 'own' her. In fact the previous owners were the Carnival Corporation (USA), and she was built in Scotland. The Southampton connection? She used to stop here every couple of weeks. Given that the turn-around time between voyages is at around 15 hours in port, I doubt very much whether she happened to spend much of her life in sunny Southampton at all. On a similar note, if they ever scrap the number 9 bus, I will be bitterly disappointed if they don't park her up as a permanent memorial outside Bitterne Post Office. That's where I always used to see her, and as such is her rightful home. Obviously I drive a car and have never taken the number 9, but still there's a special sentimental place in my heart for the Queen of Bitterne Buses. 10 Minute Man
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9:49pm Thu 8 Jan 09

timster says...

Better than sitting and watching the Canberra being slice into bits on a beach...besides we sold a bucket of rust to someone with more money than sense..we should be laughing!
Better than sitting and watching the Canberra being slice into bits on a beach...besides we sold a bucket of rust to someone with more money than sense..we should be laughing! timster
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11:50pm Thu 8 Jan 09

IanRRR says...

For goodness sake DO NOT take the name Southampton from her. Just add the words "world famous football club also available". Well, you never know....!
For goodness sake DO NOT take the name Southampton from her. Just add the words "world famous football club also available". Well, you never know....! IanRRR
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9:51am Fri 9 Jan 09

Nikki Goff says...

One of the projects I'm involved in, is that I'm a fundraiser and researcher for the SS Nomadic project, and we have just instituted a proper conservation management plan assessment for the ship.With my thumb very much on my nose ;]
I suggest that the management of the QE2 do the same.
One of the projects I'm involved in, is that I'm a fundraiser and researcher for the SS Nomadic project, and we have just instituted a proper conservation management plan assessment for the ship.With my thumb very much on my nose ;] I suggest that the management of the QE2 do the same. Nikki Goff
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11:54am Fri 9 Jan 09

southy says...

Miles Sway wrote:
southy wrote:
Miles Sway wrote:
Nikki Goff wrote:
If the people who purchased this ship have any personal honour,(don't they belong to a culture where honour is everything?) they will treat it with respect.
Yes it might be 'just a lump of metal' to some but it has been in it's day a historic British icon of huge significance.
I'm pig sick of seeing our maritime heritage being treated with such disrespect
Sadly, if you go to Dubai you'll realise how little they care about their own culture, let alone ours, when it comes to making money.
It would have been wonderful for QE2 to stay in the UK, put her on the Thames for 2012 etc, but money talks and the Arabs have got a lot of it right now.
what made the qe2 name was the ship before her qe1, any way with luck the old queen msry might be back in the uk before 2012, things are starting to go well over in cali for her return back to our shores.
I can't see it happening Southy but the cost would be lost considering the overall budget for the Olympics, and what a showpiece it'd make.
The UK's been letting the family silver go overseas for too long; it's time we kept some here or well end up with nothing we can proudly call British
like i said miles, there is a very good chance of the old mary (QM1), coming back,so far to date a price has been agreed, and the money has been raised all ready.only problem thats stopping it happening at the moment is, the company that owns the QM1 owes money over the car park and other bits of land around the ship, and is a matter for the usa courts, and this is all that is slowing it down, cant do any thing till the usa court decision
[quote][p][bold]Miles Sway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Miles Sway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikki Goff[/bold] wrote: If the people who purchased this ship have any personal honour,(don't they belong to a culture where honour is everything?) they will treat it with respect. Yes it might be 'just a lump of metal' to some but it has been in it's day a historic British icon of huge significance. I'm pig sick of seeing our maritime heritage being treated with such disrespect [/p][/quote]Sadly, if you go to Dubai you'll realise how little they care about their own culture, let alone ours, when it comes to making money. It would have been wonderful for QE2 to stay in the UK, put her on the Thames for 2012 etc, but money talks and the Arabs have got a lot of it right now.[/p][/quote]what made the qe2 name was the ship before her qe1, any way with luck the old queen msry might be back in the uk before 2012, things are starting to go well over in cali for her return back to our shores.[/p][/quote]I can't see it happening Southy but the cost would be lost considering the overall budget for the Olympics, and what a showpiece it'd make. The UK's been letting the family silver go overseas for too long; it's time we kept some here or well end up with nothing we can proudly call British[/p][/quote]like i said miles, there is a very good chance of the old mary (QM1), coming back,so far to date a price has been agreed, and the money has been raised all ready.only problem thats stopping it happening at the moment is, the company that owns the QM1 owes money over the car park and other bits of land around the ship, and is a matter for the usa courts, and this is all that is slowing it down, cant do any thing till the usa court decision southy
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1:02pm Fri 9 Jan 09

10 Minute Man says...

Nikki Goff wrote:
One of the projects I'm involved in, is that I'm a fundraiser and researcher for the SS Nomadic project, and we have just instituted a proper conservation management plan assessment for the ship.With my thumb very much on my nose ;]
I suggest that the management of the QE2 do the same.

The Nomadic was a mere tender, not an actual ocean liner. Conservation of that type for the QE2 would be a completely different matter.

Any way, who are 'the management of the QE2' ? And why would they want to save her (versus chop her into little pieces or make her into Irn Bru ?)
[quote][p][bold]Nikki Goff[/bold] wrote: One of the projects I'm involved in, is that I'm a fundraiser and researcher for the SS Nomadic project, and we have just instituted a proper conservation management plan assessment for the ship.With my thumb very much on my nose ;] I suggest that the management of the QE2 do the same.[/p][/quote] The Nomadic was a mere tender, not an actual ocean liner. Conservation of that type for the QE2 would be a completely different matter. Any way, who are 'the management of the QE2' ? And why would they want to save her (versus chop her into little pieces or make her into Irn Bru ?) 10 Minute Man
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1:41pm Fri 9 Jan 09

Southampton Cruiser says...

If QM1 ever leaves Long Beach it will be to be broken up because she is in no condition to be towed over a long disatance. She's had new owners for over a year who are in the process of refurbishing her after years of neglect. They have already painted her funnels and replaced the decking. She isn't going anywhere until they end up as bankrupt as the previous owners.

As for QE2, she is currently due in Dubai's dry dock on the 15th where she will have her engines removed during a 2 week contract. This rumour was in Lloyds List before Christmas and pretty much a rehash of everything rumoured already. They don't care about heritage any more than Carnival do. She's their trophy, a new toy, to play with, wreck then discard when she can't compete with the 6* resort complexes. Oh and according to a site in Dubai, Southampton is coming off anyway, as Keith Hamilton wrote about a few months ago.
If QM1 ever leaves Long Beach it will be to be broken up because she is in no condition to be towed over a long disatance. She's had new owners for over a year who are in the process of refurbishing her after years of neglect. They have already painted her funnels and replaced the decking. She isn't going anywhere until they end up as bankrupt as the previous owners. As for QE2, she is currently due in Dubai's dry dock on the 15th where she will have her engines removed during a 2 week contract. This rumour was in Lloyds List before Christmas and pretty much a rehash of everything rumoured already. They don't care about heritage any more than Carnival do. She's their trophy, a new toy, to play with, wreck then discard when she can't compete with the 6* resort complexes. Oh and according to a site in Dubai, Southampton is coming off anyway, as Keith Hamilton wrote about a few months ago. Southampton Cruiser
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9:44pm Fri 9 Jan 09

southy says...

Southampton Cruiser, Southampton belive it or not but the old queen mary is in better condition than the QE2,QM1 hull is rust free unlike QE2 she is rotten along the keel plates there are no new owners yet Southampton Cruiser its still in the hands of the usa courts has been for the last 18 mths, untill a dept is sorted the QM1 cant change hands
Southampton Cruiser, Southampton belive it or not but the old queen mary is in better condition than the QE2,QM1 hull is rust free unlike QE2 she is rotten along the keel plates there are no new owners yet Southampton Cruiser its still in the hands of the usa courts has been for the last 18 mths, untill a dept is sorted the QM1 cant change hands southy
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12:50pm Sat 10 Jan 09

Ross Burnside says...

Regarding 'southy', Redbridge comments above:

She is structurally intact along the keel, such information and speculation on her degree of corrosion is both incorrect and misleading. She is over designed in the lower hull sections and it is a magnificent reflection on old fashioned built to last design and construction.
Sadly the original Queen Mary is now suffering extensive corrosion issues both above and below the waterline.

It is a disgrace that the board of Cunard sold her to Dubai World, bedazzled by stinking in-your-face wealth.
Dubai World's "vision" is disgusting, disrespectful and utterly devoid of understanding of Queen Elizabeth 2 and everything she means.

The arabs oil-fuelled bloated egos are so outrageously out of control that regrettably the only decent thing left to do would be let her slip silently beneath the waves to rest forever.

I hope the British Navy is listening.


Regarding 'southy', Redbridge comments above: She is structurally intact along the keel, such information and speculation on her degree of corrosion is both incorrect and misleading. She is over designed in the lower hull sections and it is a magnificent reflection on old fashioned built to last design and construction. Sadly the original Queen Mary is now suffering extensive corrosion issues both above and below the waterline. It is a disgrace that the board of Cunard sold her to Dubai World, bedazzled by stinking in-your-face wealth. Dubai World's "vision" is disgusting, disrespectful and utterly devoid of understanding of Queen Elizabeth 2 and everything she means. The arabs oil-fuelled bloated egos are so outrageously out of control that regrettably the only decent thing left to do would be let her slip silently beneath the waves to rest forever. I hope the British Navy is listening. Ross Burnside
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1:48pm Sat 10 Jan 09

southy says...

your wrong the QE2 has the same problem has the old but now scrap camberra, where has the QM1 only has surface rust, this is all down to a better gage steel.
your wrong the QE2 has the same problem has the old but now scrap camberra, where has the QM1 only has surface rust, this is all down to a better gage steel. southy
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8:56pm Wed 28 Jan 09

mollie says...

Oh dear, what a lot of negative comments about a ship that (if we are all really honest) only ever belonged to those fortunate enough to have traveled on her , In my opinion there are many more ships worthy of note that have been part of the Cunard legend, and have been captained by brave men who never deliberately sought the limelight NO! not the Titanic, How many people this side of the Atlantic know about the Umbria and her magnificent struggle to save the lives of all her passengers and crew in the middle of the Atlantic in the most appalling weather conditions, this story is one of the most incredible in maritime history, the family of this brave captain actually live here in Southampton and have so much factual history in there possession, but no one appears to understand the enormity of it, so I don't hold out much hope for the dear old QE2 now that she has left our shores and is no longer of any financial value.
yours in sadness at the blinkered vision of some people
Oh dear, what a lot of negative comments about a ship that (if we are all really honest) only ever belonged to those fortunate enough to have traveled on her , In my opinion there are many more ships worthy of note that have been part of the Cunard legend, and have been captained by brave men who never deliberately sought the limelight NO! not the Titanic, How many people this side of the Atlantic know about the Umbria and her magnificent struggle to save the lives of all her passengers and crew in the middle of the Atlantic in the most appalling weather conditions, this story is one of the most incredible in maritime history, the family of this brave captain actually live here in Southampton and have so much factual history in there possession, but no one appears to understand the enormity of it, so I don't hold out much hope for the dear old QE2 now that she has left our shores and is no longer of any financial value. yours in sadness at the blinkered vision of some people mollie
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