Fears Southampton will be in Belfast's shadow for Titanic anniversary

Daily Echo: Fears city will be in Belfast's shadow for Titanic anniversary Fears city will be in Belfast's shadow for Titanic anniversary

A SPECTACULAR event beamed live to a global, television audience of millions from Belfast looks set to over-shadow Southampton’s efforts in marking the centenary of the loss of Titanic.

Belfast’s 90-minute prime-time event will be broadcast across the UK by the BBC, which is also distributing the programme internationally, with major USA networks also set to show the commemoration of Titanic.

The story of Titanic and those who built and sailed on her, will be retold through orchestral performances, a massed choir and documentary and archive material, presented by a line-up of internationally acclaimed artists who will be announced in the new year.

Whilst not on the scale of Belfast’s event, Southampton is determined to mark the centenary with a fitting week-long programme of performances.

The opening of the SeaCity museum is expected to be a highlight while an interactive education package is being rolled out to schools to engage them in the event.

On the night of Belfast’s showcase event on April 14, an evening of music is also being staged at the Southampton Guildhall.

On Tuesday, April 10, as part of the series of cultural events, the City of Southampton Orchestra will be performing a special concert in the city’s Eastern Docks. Staged in the Queen Elizabeth II Terminal, overlooking the berth from which Titanic set sail, the orchestra will be joined by a specially formed “Titanic Chorus’’ made up of members of the Southampton Philharmonic Society, Taunton’s Community Choir, Romsey Choral Society and Basingstoke Philharmonic.

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Around 500 people are expected to pack the terminal for an evening that will include an ‘embarkation experience’ with a string quartet playing music from the White Star song book.

A specially commissioned exhibition is also being put together with the help of the Grey Lady Arts Foundation which will show photos, posters and exhibits from the time.

Performers dressed in period costume will also be mingling among guests before they are led upstairs to the main performance area.

Following a dedication by a member of Southampton’s clergy, the evening will culminate with a performance of Ralph Vaughan Williams’ Sea Symphony.

The following day, Wednesday, April 11, Look Out! Southampton’s Titanic Story in Song is being presented at the Turner Sims Concert Hall at Southampton University.

Performed by White Star Line-Up, a group of primarily Southampton-based singers and musicians formed specifically to tell this story and tells of the tragedy, and the aftermath, from the viewpoint of the town and its Southampton crew.

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You can find out more about Titanic and the disaster's impact on Southampton with the Daily Echo.

Throughout the coming months ahead of the centenary in April, we will be showcasing unique content in our Titanic mini-site.

In the meantime, you can discover key sites across the city relating to the tragedy, the latest news relating to the ship or even find out some of the key facts behind the vessel, her demise and the people who perished and survived, including a list of all the crew members and the locations of their homes in Southampton.

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12:22pm Thu 8 Dec 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

How about co-operating with the Belfast event and putting their show on a big screen?
How about co-operating with the Belfast event and putting their show on a big screen? OSPREYSAINT
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12:40pm Thu 8 Dec 11

The Salv says...

Let the Irish have it. It's a ship they built which sunk, hardley something to celebrate is it?
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Southampton with be mourning the losses to it's city on its 100th anniversary.
Let the Irish have it. It's a ship they built which sunk, hardley something to celebrate is it? . Southampton with be mourning the losses to it's city on its 100th anniversary. The Salv
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12:50pm Thu 8 Dec 11

tootle says...

Belfast built a glorious liner. It sailed from Southampton and sunk. Many local families lost loved ones. Celebrate ? - I see very little for Southampton to celebrate but a lot to be commemorated, which is rather different.
Belfast built a glorious liner. It sailed from Southampton and sunk. Many local families lost loved ones. Celebrate ? - I see very little for Southampton to celebrate but a lot to be commemorated, which is rather different. tootle
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1:03pm Thu 8 Dec 11

Taskforce 141 says...

I agree with the above postings the Titanic was a tragedy not cause for celebration. I think Southampton will be totally embarressed by our efforts to 'celebrate'.
I agree with the above postings the Titanic was a tragedy not cause for celebration. I think Southampton will be totally embarressed by our efforts to 'celebrate'. Taskforce 141
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1:04pm Thu 8 Dec 11

southy says...

Well SSC was warned, not to go ahead with this white elephant another large bill that the next government will need to sort out.
Well SSC was warned, not to go ahead with this white elephant another large bill that the next government will need to sort out. southy
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1:04pm Thu 8 Dec 11

forest hump says...

It sailed from Cobh
It sailed from Cobh forest hump
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1:15pm Thu 8 Dec 11

The Salv says...

southy wrote:
Well SSC was warned, not to go ahead with this white elephant another large bill that the next government will need to sort out.
Well it's not just going to be a Titanic museum is it. It's also going to be a maritime museum.
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Although I do remember reading somewhere that one of the highlights was going to be a climbing wall which you could attempt to climb like the passangers did as the ship become to sink and they plummited to their deaths. How sick is that!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Well SSC was warned, not to go ahead with this white elephant another large bill that the next government will need to sort out.[/p][/quote]Well it's not just going to be a Titanic museum is it. It's also going to be a maritime museum. . Although I do remember reading somewhere that one of the highlights was going to be a climbing wall which you could attempt to climb like the passangers did as the ship become to sink and they plummited to their deaths. How sick is that! The Salv
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1:48pm Thu 8 Dec 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

I see no reason not to commemorate the event, despite the sad loss of life, there were many acts of heroism that need to be remembered, Southampton played a big part in this ships existence and it is important to remember that. I cannot understand the negative comments coming from some on here, just for once show some positivity, let us make this project work and maybe some good will come out of it.
I see no reason not to commemorate the event, despite the sad loss of life, there were many acts of heroism that need to be remembered, Southampton played a big part in this ships existence and it is important to remember that. I cannot understand the negative comments coming from some on here, just for once show some positivity, let us make this project work and maybe some good will come out of it. OSPREYSAINT
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1:57pm Thu 8 Dec 11

Lone Ranger. says...

Around 500 people are expected to pack the terminal for an evening that will include an ‘embarkation experience’ with a string quartet playing music from the White Star song book.
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Can you buy tickets for this event does anyone know?
Around 500 people are expected to pack the terminal for an evening that will include an ‘embarkation experience’ with a string quartet playing music from the White Star song book. . Can you buy tickets for this event does anyone know? Lone Ranger.
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2:36pm Thu 8 Dec 11

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Well SSC was warned, not to go ahead with this white elephant another large bill that the next government will need to sort out.
Warned by who?

You?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Well SSC was warned, not to go ahead with this white elephant another large bill that the next government will need to sort out.[/p][/quote]Warned by who? You? Shoong
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2:53pm Thu 8 Dec 11

tootle says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I see no reason not to commemorate the event, despite the sad loss of life, there were many acts of heroism that need to be remembered, Southampton played a big part in this ships existence and it is important to remember that. I cannot understand the negative comments coming from some on here, just for once show some positivity, let us make this project work and maybe some good will come out of it.
Commemorate - yes, remember - yes, it's an important part of the City's maritime history. Celebrate is just so wrong. Belfast have something to celebrate so let them get on with it. Southampton have long needed a decent maritime museum, amongst others, so let us hope it is a success. I for one love visiting museums.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I see no reason not to commemorate the event, despite the sad loss of life, there were many acts of heroism that need to be remembered, Southampton played a big part in this ships existence and it is important to remember that. I cannot understand the negative comments coming from some on here, just for once show some positivity, let us make this project work and maybe some good will come out of it.[/p][/quote]Commemorate - yes, remember - yes, it's an important part of the City's maritime history. Celebrate is just so wrong. Belfast have something to celebrate so let them get on with it. Southampton have long needed a decent maritime museum, amongst others, so let us hope it is a success. I for one love visiting museums. tootle
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3:16pm Thu 8 Dec 11

captain-chaos says...

Well I never! Go to the bottom of our stairs! The Southampton Titanic shed will be undershadowed, no? Surely not! His Royal Highness Sir Lord He Who Must Be Obeyed Royston Smiff will be miffed.
Well I never! Go to the bottom of our stairs! The Southampton Titanic shed will be undershadowed, no? Surely not! His Royal Highness Sir Lord He Who Must Be Obeyed Royston Smiff will be miffed. captain-chaos
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3:19pm Thu 8 Dec 11

captain-chaos says...

I can never understand how someone can make money out of this tragedy. Just remember the 1500+ who lost their lives. I can understand the Spitfire statue as that helped to save lives. Madness!
I can never understand how someone can make money out of this tragedy. Just remember the 1500+ who lost their lives. I can understand the Spitfire statue as that helped to save lives. Madness! captain-chaos
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3:53pm Thu 8 Dec 11

George4th says...

captain-chaos wrote:
I can never understand how someone can make money out of this tragedy. Just remember the 1500+ who lost their lives. I can understand the Spitfire statue as that helped to save lives. Madness!
I suppose if you belong to the Southampton Whingers Society, you never have anything to celebrate!
[quote][p][bold]captain-chaos[/bold] wrote: I can never understand how someone can make money out of this tragedy. Just remember the 1500+ who lost their lives. I can understand the Spitfire statue as that helped to save lives. Madness![/p][/quote]I suppose if you belong to the Southampton Whingers Society, you never have anything to celebrate! George4th
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5:12pm Thu 8 Dec 11

The Outside Edge says...

Wow.

Southampton is having an evening of music at the Guildhall, followed by City of Southampton Orchestra will be performing a special concert in the city’s Eastern Docks, with singing from the “Titanic Chorus’’ made up of members of the Southampton Philharmonic Society, Taunton’s Community Choir, Romsey Choral Society and Basingstoke Philharmonic.

Sounds like a real interesting evening for average Sotonian to enjoy

More than likely it will be enjoyed by the posh friends of the Tory administration.
Wow. Southampton is having an evening of music at the Guildhall, followed by City of Southampton Orchestra will be performing a special concert in the city’s Eastern Docks, with singing from the “Titanic Chorus’’ made up of members of the Southampton Philharmonic Society, Taunton’s Community Choir, Romsey Choral Society and Basingstoke Philharmonic. Sounds like a real interesting evening for average Sotonian to enjoy More than likely it will be enjoyed by the posh friends of the Tory administration. The Outside Edge
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5:56pm Thu 8 Dec 11

Scrutinizer says...

And if people are going to make critical comparisons between Southampton's effort and Belfast's, then they should remember that Belfast had a massive grant advantage of nearly 40 million pounds from the Northern Ireland Tourist board alone, for their Titanic project. Southampton got nothing from ours. Belfast also received the full backing of the Northern Ireland Assembly too.
And if people are going to make critical comparisons between Southampton's effort and Belfast's, then they should remember that Belfast had a massive grant advantage of nearly 40 million pounds from the Northern Ireland Tourist board alone, for their Titanic project. Southampton got nothing from ours. Belfast also received the full backing of the Northern Ireland Assembly too. Scrutinizer
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6:11pm Thu 8 Dec 11

The Outside Edge says...

Scrutinizer wrote:
And if people are going to make critical comparisons between Southampton's effort and Belfast's, then they should remember that Belfast had a massive grant advantage of nearly 40 million pounds from the Northern Ireland Tourist board alone, for their Titanic project. Southampton got nothing from ours. Belfast also received the full backing of the Northern Ireland Assembly too.
Oh my god,,,,regenerating an area that has over the years has been blown to bits,,,,shocking, I think the people of Ulster deserve a little bit of investment after what they have had to put up with.

Our museum is the Sea City Museum, not the Titanic Museum,,,there is also a slight difference,,,,the Belfast museum is a tourist attraction paid for by grant funding and wanted by the people,,,,ours is a Tory folly paid for by borrowing money,,,,wanted by two people,,,,oh yes, plus ours is a blot on the landscape.
[quote][p][bold]Scrutinizer[/bold] wrote: And if people are going to make critical comparisons between Southampton's effort and Belfast's, then they should remember that Belfast had a massive grant advantage of nearly 40 million pounds from the Northern Ireland Tourist board alone, for their Titanic project. Southampton got nothing from ours. Belfast also received the full backing of the Northern Ireland Assembly too.[/p][/quote]Oh my god,,,,regenerating an area that has over the years has been blown to bits,,,,shocking, I think the people of Ulster deserve a little bit of investment after what they have had to put up with. Our museum is the Sea City Museum, not the Titanic Museum,,,there is also a slight difference,,,,the Belfast museum is a tourist attraction paid for by grant funding and wanted by the people,,,,ours is a Tory folly paid for by borrowing money,,,,wanted by two people,,,,oh yes, plus ours is a blot on the landscape. The Outside Edge
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7:05pm Thu 8 Dec 11

notaposht*at says...

hannides you are a total tw*t, you have spent 12million plus god knows how much interest . hopefully this museum will be as big and expensive as your ego. torys out.
hannides you are a total tw*t, you have spent 12million plus god knows how much interest . hopefully this museum will be as big and expensive as your ego. torys out. notaposht*at
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7:37pm Thu 8 Dec 11

captain-chaos says...

Scrutinizer wrote:
And if people are going to make critical comparisons between Southampton's effort and Belfast's, then they should remember that Belfast had a massive grant advantage of nearly 40 million pounds from the Northern Ireland Tourist board alone, for their Titanic project. Southampton got nothing from ours. Belfast also received the full backing of the Northern Ireland Assembly too.
Then WHY spend money we don't have??
[quote][p][bold]Scrutinizer[/bold] wrote: And if people are going to make critical comparisons between Southampton's effort and Belfast's, then they should remember that Belfast had a massive grant advantage of nearly 40 million pounds from the Northern Ireland Tourist board alone, for their Titanic project. Southampton got nothing from ours. Belfast also received the full backing of the Northern Ireland Assembly too.[/p][/quote]Then WHY spend money we don't have?? captain-chaos
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7:39pm Thu 8 Dec 11

captain-chaos says...

George4th wrote:
captain-chaos wrote:
I can never understand how someone can make money out of this tragedy. Just remember the 1500+ who lost their lives. I can understand the Spitfire statue as that helped to save lives. Madness!
I suppose if you belong to the Southampton Whingers Society, you never have anything to celebrate!
You haven't given up your membership, have you? Tw.at!
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]captain-chaos[/bold] wrote: I can never understand how someone can make money out of this tragedy. Just remember the 1500+ who lost their lives. I can understand the Spitfire statue as that helped to save lives. Madness![/p][/quote]I suppose if you belong to the Southampton Whingers Society, you never have anything to celebrate![/p][/quote]You haven't given up your membership, have you? Tw.at! captain-chaos
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8:17pm Thu 8 Dec 11

The Outside Edge says...

George4th wrote:
captain-chaos wrote:
I can never understand how someone can make money out of this tragedy. Just remember the 1500+ who lost their lives. I can understand the Spitfire statue as that helped to save lives. Madness!
I suppose if you belong to the Southampton Whingers Society, you never have anything to celebrate!
George4th, you are always whinging,,,anyone who says anything against your friend Royston or his Tory chums,,,gets you whinging all the time,,,,how can one become a member of your Society?
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]captain-chaos[/bold] wrote: I can never understand how someone can make money out of this tragedy. Just remember the 1500+ who lost their lives. I can understand the Spitfire statue as that helped to save lives. Madness![/p][/quote]I suppose if you belong to the Southampton Whingers Society, you never have anything to celebrate![/p][/quote]George4th, you are always whinging,,,anyone who says anything against your friend Royston or his Tory chums,,,gets you whinging all the time,,,,how can one become a member of your Society? The Outside Edge
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8:54pm Thu 8 Dec 11

Rob444 says...

captain-chaos wrote:
I can never understand how someone can make money out of this tragedy. Just remember the 1500+ who lost their lives. I can understand the Spitfire statue as that helped to save lives. Madness!
Tories are greedy opportunists. They only exist to exploit others for financial gain.

"Royston's Folly"
[quote][p][bold]captain-chaos[/bold] wrote: I can never understand how someone can make money out of this tragedy. Just remember the 1500+ who lost their lives. I can understand the Spitfire statue as that helped to save lives. Madness![/p][/quote]Tories are greedy opportunists. They only exist to exploit others for financial gain. "Royston's Folly" Rob444
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8:56pm Thu 8 Dec 11

The Outside Edge says...

Rob444 wrote:
captain-chaos wrote:
I can never understand how someone can make money out of this tragedy. Just remember the 1500+ who lost their lives. I can understand the Spitfire statue as that helped to save lives. Madness!
Tories are greedy opportunists. They only exist to exploit others for financial gain.

"Royston's Folly"
Hannides and Royston's folly
[quote][p][bold]Rob444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]captain-chaos[/bold] wrote: I can never understand how someone can make money out of this tragedy. Just remember the 1500+ who lost their lives. I can understand the Spitfire statue as that helped to save lives. Madness![/p][/quote]Tories are greedy opportunists. They only exist to exploit others for financial gain. "Royston's Folly"[/p][/quote]Hannides and Royston's folly The Outside Edge
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8:57pm Thu 8 Dec 11

Rob444 says...

Scrutinizer wrote:
And if people are going to make critical comparisons between Southampton's effort and Belfast's, then they should remember that Belfast had a massive grant advantage of nearly 40 million pounds from the Northern Ireland Tourist board alone, for their Titanic project. Southampton got nothing from ours. Belfast also received the full backing of the Northern Ireland Assembly too.
This begs the question, Why didn't our tourist board show any interest in funding "Royston's Folly"?
[quote][p][bold]Scrutinizer[/bold] wrote: And if people are going to make critical comparisons between Southampton's effort and Belfast's, then they should remember that Belfast had a massive grant advantage of nearly 40 million pounds from the Northern Ireland Tourist board alone, for their Titanic project. Southampton got nothing from ours. Belfast also received the full backing of the Northern Ireland Assembly too.[/p][/quote]This begs the question, Why didn't our tourist board show any interest in funding "Royston's Folly"? Rob444
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9:01pm Thu 8 Dec 11

The Outside Edge says...

Rob444 wrote:
Scrutinizer wrote:
And if people are going to make critical comparisons between Southampton's effort and Belfast's, then they should remember that Belfast had a massive grant advantage of nearly 40 million pounds from the Northern Ireland Tourist board alone, for their Titanic project. Southampton got nothing from ours. Belfast also received the full backing of the Northern Ireland Assembly too.
This begs the question, Why didn't our tourist board show any interest in funding "Royston's Folly"?
Ours is not a Titanic museum,,,,its the Sea City Museum,,,,and the fact no one is interested other than the Tories
[quote][p][bold]Rob444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scrutinizer[/bold] wrote: And if people are going to make critical comparisons between Southampton's effort and Belfast's, then they should remember that Belfast had a massive grant advantage of nearly 40 million pounds from the Northern Ireland Tourist board alone, for their Titanic project. Southampton got nothing from ours. Belfast also received the full backing of the Northern Ireland Assembly too.[/p][/quote]This begs the question, Why didn't our tourist board show any interest in funding "Royston's Folly"?[/p][/quote]Ours is not a Titanic museum,,,,its the Sea City Museum,,,,and the fact no one is interested other than the Tories The Outside Edge
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11:30pm Thu 8 Dec 11

George4th says...

captain-chaos wrote:
George4th wrote:
captain-chaos wrote:
I can never understand how someone can make money out of this tragedy. Just remember the 1500+ who lost their lives. I can understand the Spitfire statue as that helped to save lives. Madness!
I suppose if you belong to the Southampton Whingers Society, you never have anything to celebrate!
You haven't given up your membership, have you? Tw.at!
Thank you for your endorsement, I appreciate your thoughtful input.
[quote][p][bold]captain-chaos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]captain-chaos[/bold] wrote: I can never understand how someone can make money out of this tragedy. Just remember the 1500+ who lost their lives. I can understand the Spitfire statue as that helped to save lives. Madness![/p][/quote]I suppose if you belong to the Southampton Whingers Society, you never have anything to celebrate![/p][/quote]You haven't given up your membership, have you? Tw.at![/p][/quote]Thank you for your endorsement, I appreciate your thoughtful input. George4th
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11:32pm Thu 8 Dec 11

George4th says...

The Outside Edge wrote:
George4th wrote:
captain-chaos wrote:
I can never understand how someone can make money out of this tragedy. Just remember the 1500+ who lost their lives. I can understand the Spitfire statue as that helped to save lives. Madness!
I suppose if you belong to the Southampton Whingers Society, you never have anything to celebrate!
George4th, you are always whinging,,,anyone who says anything against your friend Royston or his Tory chums,,,gets you whinging all the time,,,,how can one become a member of your Society?
Outside Edge, I look forward to the day when you reach your peak and post something intelligent!
[quote][p][bold]The Outside Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]captain-chaos[/bold] wrote: I can never understand how someone can make money out of this tragedy. Just remember the 1500+ who lost their lives. I can understand the Spitfire statue as that helped to save lives. Madness![/p][/quote]I suppose if you belong to the Southampton Whingers Society, you never have anything to celebrate![/p][/quote]George4th, you are always whinging,,,anyone who says anything against your friend Royston or his Tory chums,,,gets you whinging all the time,,,,how can one become a member of your Society?[/p][/quote]Outside Edge, I look forward to the day when you reach your peak and post something intelligent! George4th
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12:05am Fri 9 Dec 11

The Outside Edge says...

George4th wrote:
The Outside Edge wrote:
George4th wrote:
captain-chaos wrote:
I can never understand how someone can make money out of this tragedy. Just remember the 1500+ who lost their lives. I can understand the Spitfire statue as that helped to save lives. Madness!
I suppose if you belong to the Southampton Whingers Society, you never have anything to celebrate!
George4th, you are always whinging,,,anyone who says anything against your friend Royston or his Tory chums,,,gets you whinging all the time,,,,how can one become a member of your Society?
Outside Edge, I look forward to the day when you reach your peak and post something intelligent!
I wouldn't worry about me posting intelligent, I'd worry about your blind faith in an administration that clearly isn't working for the people of city they are supposed to represent, borrowing money to build an unwanted museum, to hand it over to a private company to manage gives you absolutely nothing other than a white elephant and another debt to pay off.

Take a look at the best economy in Europe (Germany) most business's do not have massive debts, credit is scoffed at, yet this council insists on putting the city in hock for this museum, which is something you fully support, yet when people object you start name calling.

Southampton Whingers Society was your comment, an intelligent input from you George4th,,,not
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Outside Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]captain-chaos[/bold] wrote: I can never understand how someone can make money out of this tragedy. Just remember the 1500+ who lost their lives. I can understand the Spitfire statue as that helped to save lives. Madness![/p][/quote]I suppose if you belong to the Southampton Whingers Society, you never have anything to celebrate![/p][/quote]George4th, you are always whinging,,,anyone who says anything against your friend Royston or his Tory chums,,,gets you whinging all the time,,,,how can one become a member of your Society?[/p][/quote]Outside Edge, I look forward to the day when you reach your peak and post something intelligent![/p][/quote]I wouldn't worry about me posting intelligent, I'd worry about your blind faith in an administration that clearly isn't working for the people of city they are supposed to represent, borrowing money to build an unwanted museum, to hand it over to a private company to manage gives you absolutely nothing other than a white elephant and another debt to pay off. Take a look at the best economy in Europe (Germany) most business's do not have massive debts, credit is scoffed at, yet this council insists on putting the city in hock for this museum, which is something you fully support, yet when people object you start name calling. Southampton Whingers Society was your comment, an intelligent input from you George4th,,,not The Outside Edge
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12:21am Fri 9 Dec 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

The Outside Edge wrote:
Rob444 wrote:
Scrutinizer wrote:
And if people are going to make critical comparisons between Southampton's effort and Belfast's, then they should remember that Belfast had a massive grant advantage of nearly 40 million pounds from the Northern Ireland Tourist board alone, for their Titanic project. Southampton got nothing from ours. Belfast also received the full backing of the Northern Ireland Assembly too.
This begs the question, Why didn't our tourist board show any interest in funding "Royston's Folly"?
Ours is not a Titanic museum,,,,its the Sea City Museum,,,,and the fact no one is interested other than the Tories
Wrong, I am definitely not a Tory but I am interested in this Maritime Museum, I hope it is a success and a credit to the City. I would also like to see a proper Transport Museum incorporating the Aviation Museum and the history of the Railway, Road and water Transport, our local Heritage is imense and sadly neglected.
[quote][p][bold]The Outside Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rob444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scrutinizer[/bold] wrote: And if people are going to make critical comparisons between Southampton's effort and Belfast's, then they should remember that Belfast had a massive grant advantage of nearly 40 million pounds from the Northern Ireland Tourist board alone, for their Titanic project. Southampton got nothing from ours. Belfast also received the full backing of the Northern Ireland Assembly too.[/p][/quote]This begs the question, Why didn't our tourist board show any interest in funding "Royston's Folly"?[/p][/quote]Ours is not a Titanic museum,,,,its the Sea City Museum,,,,and the fact no one is interested other than the Tories[/p][/quote]Wrong, I am definitely not a Tory but I am interested in this Maritime Museum, I hope it is a success and a credit to the City. I would also like to see a proper Transport Museum incorporating the Aviation Museum and the history of the Railway, Road and water Transport, our local Heritage is imense and sadly neglected. OSPREYSAINT
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1:04am Fri 9 Dec 11

The Outside Edge says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
The Outside Edge wrote:
Rob444 wrote:
Scrutinizer wrote:
And if people are going to make critical comparisons between Southampton's effort and Belfast's, then they should remember that Belfast had a massive grant advantage of nearly 40 million pounds from the Northern Ireland Tourist board alone, for their Titanic project. Southampton got nothing from ours. Belfast also received the full backing of the Northern Ireland Assembly too.
This begs the question, Why didn't our tourist board show any interest in funding "Royston's Folly"?
Ours is not a Titanic museum,,,,its the Sea City Museum,,,,and the fact no one is interested other than the Tories
Wrong, I am definitely not a Tory but I am interested in this Maritime Museum, I hope it is a success and a credit to the City. I would also like to see a proper Transport Museum incorporating the Aviation Museum and the history of the Railway, Road and water Transport, our local Heritage is imense and sadly neglected.
Apologies for the generalisation. You maybe interested to know that, the council in partnership with another organisation are developing a website for people interested in the city's heritage, (The Heritage 100 project) the project is working with schools, local groups to develop the website as we speak. I am assured that people can access it for free, however I'm not certain it will remain free.

Originally the Sea city museum, we were told would cost the taxpayers of the city nothing, however this Tory led council has borrowed money to build it, money that will never be recovered, in these times of financial austerity I think is fundamentally wrong.

If places like this were supported, also the Tudor house were free and accessible to all rather than those that have, I wouldn't have a problem with, after all it is our heritage and our money that paid for it.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Outside Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rob444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scrutinizer[/bold] wrote: And if people are going to make critical comparisons between Southampton's effort and Belfast's, then they should remember that Belfast had a massive grant advantage of nearly 40 million pounds from the Northern Ireland Tourist board alone, for their Titanic project. Southampton got nothing from ours. Belfast also received the full backing of the Northern Ireland Assembly too.[/p][/quote]This begs the question, Why didn't our tourist board show any interest in funding "Royston's Folly"?[/p][/quote]Ours is not a Titanic museum,,,,its the Sea City Museum,,,,and the fact no one is interested other than the Tories[/p][/quote]Wrong, I am definitely not a Tory but I am interested in this Maritime Museum, I hope it is a success and a credit to the City. I would also like to see a proper Transport Museum incorporating the Aviation Museum and the history of the Railway, Road and water Transport, our local Heritage is imense and sadly neglected.[/p][/quote]Apologies for the generalisation. You maybe interested to know that, the council in partnership with another organisation are developing a website for people interested in the city's heritage, (The Heritage 100 project) the project is working with schools, local groups to develop the website as we speak. I am assured that people can access it for free, however I'm not certain it will remain free. Originally the Sea city museum, we were told would cost the taxpayers of the city nothing, however this Tory led council has borrowed money to build it, money that will never be recovered, in these times of financial austerity I think is fundamentally wrong. If places like this were supported, also the Tudor house were free and accessible to all rather than those that have, I wouldn't have a problem with, after all it is our heritage and our money that paid for it. The Outside Edge
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6:12am Fri 9 Dec 11

Scrutinizer says...

The Outside Edge wrote:
Scrutinizer wrote: And if people are going to make critical comparisons between Southampton's effort and Belfast's, then they should remember that Belfast had a massive grant advantage of nearly 40 million pounds from the Northern Ireland Tourist board alone, for their Titanic project. Southampton got nothing from ours. Belfast also received the full backing of the Northern Ireland Assembly too.
Oh my god,,,,regenerating an area that has over the years has been blown to bits,,,,shocking, I think the people of Ulster deserve a little bit of investment after what they have had to put up with. Our museum is the Sea City Museum, not the Titanic Museum,,,there is also a slight difference,,,,the Belfast museum is a tourist attraction paid for by grant funding and wanted by the people,,,,ours is a Tory folly paid for by borrowing money,,,,wanted by two people,,,,oh yes, plus ours is a blot on the landscape.
By the way, in case I gave the opposite impression, I certainly wasn't being critical of Northern Ireland's investment in their own Titanic heritage project. N.I. needs all the positive project funding that they can get. I have been there and I'm familiar to some extent with what they've been through (and still are, not least job-wise). But anyway, it's up to them to decide if they think it's the best use of their funds, though I'd have thought that assisting job creation and promoting their heritage in order to attract money from tourists and the creation of a more positive image generally, would be as good as any other reasons to fund a project like the Titanic one. I'm in favour of us doing the same here too.
[quote][p][bold]The Outside Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scrutinizer[/bold] wrote: And if people are going to make critical comparisons between Southampton's effort and Belfast's, then they should remember that Belfast had a massive grant advantage of nearly 40 million pounds from the Northern Ireland Tourist board alone, for their Titanic project. Southampton got nothing from ours. Belfast also received the full backing of the Northern Ireland Assembly too.[/p][/quote]Oh my god,,,,regenerating an area that has over the years has been blown to bits,,,,shocking, I think the people of Ulster deserve a little bit of investment after what they have had to put up with. Our museum is the Sea City Museum, not the Titanic Museum,,,there is also a slight difference,,,,the Belfast museum is a tourist attraction paid for by grant funding and wanted by the people,,,,ours is a Tory folly paid for by borrowing money,,,,wanted by two people,,,,oh yes, plus ours is a blot on the landscape.[/p][/quote]By the way, in case I gave the opposite impression, I certainly wasn't being critical of Northern Ireland's investment in their own Titanic heritage project. N.I. needs all the positive project funding that they can get. I have been there and I'm familiar to some extent with what they've been through (and still are, not least job-wise). But anyway, it's up to them to decide if they think it's the best use of their funds, though I'd have thought that assisting job creation and promoting their heritage in order to attract money from tourists and the creation of a more positive image generally, would be as good as any other reasons to fund a project like the Titanic one. I'm in favour of us doing the same here too. Scrutinizer
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9:21am Fri 9 Dec 11

The Outside Edge says...

Scrutinizer wrote:
The Outside Edge wrote:
Scrutinizer wrote: And if people are going to make critical comparisons between Southampton's effort and Belfast's, then they should remember that Belfast had a massive grant advantage of nearly 40 million pounds from the Northern Ireland Tourist board alone, for their Titanic project. Southampton got nothing from ours. Belfast also received the full backing of the Northern Ireland Assembly too.
Oh my god,,,,regenerating an area that has over the years has been blown to bits,,,,shocking, I think the people of Ulster deserve a little bit of investment after what they have had to put up with. Our museum is the Sea City Museum, not the Titanic Museum,,,there is also a slight difference,,,,the Belfast museum is a tourist attraction paid for by grant funding and wanted by the people,,,,ours is a Tory folly paid for by borrowing money,,,,wanted by two people,,,,oh yes, plus ours is a blot on the landscape.
By the way, in case I gave the opposite impression, I certainly wasn't being critical of Northern Ireland's investment in their own Titanic heritage project. N.I. needs all the positive project funding that they can get. I have been there and I'm familiar to some extent with what they've been through (and still are, not least job-wise). But anyway, it's up to them to decide if they think it's the best use of their funds, though I'd have thought that assisting job creation and promoting their heritage in order to attract money from tourists and the creation of a more positive image generally, would be as good as any other reasons to fund a project like the Titanic one. I'm in favour of us doing the same here too.
Totally agree with your comments.

I would believe in attraction for the city, however I would do it with grant funding, private donations and not taxpayers money.
[quote][p][bold]Scrutinizer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Outside Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scrutinizer[/bold] wrote: And if people are going to make critical comparisons between Southampton's effort and Belfast's, then they should remember that Belfast had a massive grant advantage of nearly 40 million pounds from the Northern Ireland Tourist board alone, for their Titanic project. Southampton got nothing from ours. Belfast also received the full backing of the Northern Ireland Assembly too.[/p][/quote]Oh my god,,,,regenerating an area that has over the years has been blown to bits,,,,shocking, I think the people of Ulster deserve a little bit of investment after what they have had to put up with. Our museum is the Sea City Museum, not the Titanic Museum,,,there is also a slight difference,,,,the Belfast museum is a tourist attraction paid for by grant funding and wanted by the people,,,,ours is a Tory folly paid for by borrowing money,,,,wanted by two people,,,,oh yes, plus ours is a blot on the landscape.[/p][/quote]By the way, in case I gave the opposite impression, I certainly wasn't being critical of Northern Ireland's investment in their own Titanic heritage project. N.I. needs all the positive project funding that they can get. I have been there and I'm familiar to some extent with what they've been through (and still are, not least job-wise). But anyway, it's up to them to decide if they think it's the best use of their funds, though I'd have thought that assisting job creation and promoting their heritage in order to attract money from tourists and the creation of a more positive image generally, would be as good as any other reasons to fund a project like the Titanic one. I'm in favour of us doing the same here too.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with your comments. I would believe in attraction for the city, however I would do it with grant funding, private donations and not taxpayers money. The Outside Edge
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11:02am Fri 9 Dec 11

George4th says...

The Outside Edge wrote:
George4th wrote:
The Outside Edge wrote:
George4th wrote:
captain-chaos wrote:
I can never understand how someone can make money out of this tragedy. Just remember the 1500+ who lost their lives. I can understand the Spitfire statue as that helped to save lives. Madness!
I suppose if you belong to the Southampton Whingers Society, you never have anything to celebrate!
George4th, you are always whinging,,,anyone who says anything against your friend Royston or his Tory chums,,,gets you whinging all the time,,,,how can one become a member of your Society?
Outside Edge, I look forward to the day when you reach your peak and post something intelligent!
I wouldn't worry about me posting intelligent, I'd worry about your blind faith in an administration that clearly isn't working for the people of city they are supposed to represent, borrowing money to build an unwanted museum, to hand it over to a private company to manage gives you absolutely nothing other than a white elephant and another debt to pay off.

Take a look at the best economy in Europe (Germany) most business's do not have massive debts, credit is scoffed at, yet this council insists on putting the city in hock for this museum, which is something you fully support, yet when people object you start name calling.

Southampton Whingers Society was your comment, an intelligent input from you George4th,,,not
"I'd worry about your blind faith in an administration that clearly isn't working for the people"
You mean like yours in the last government - the government that left this coalition with a £1,000 Billion debt and rising - the same government that created a Housing Bubble and a Credit Bubble, both of which went BUST!. A government that has ruined, yes ruined, the futures of so many young people. ANd what did they achieve? WIdening the gap between the have and the have nots.
>
If you want them back then I would suggest you are in no position to tell me where I stand!

P.S.
Southampton is a hick City. It requires being brought into this century after 25/30 years of abject neglect by the previous councils (mostly Labour). I live here and I want a City to be proud of, not a laughing stock.
[quote][p][bold]The Outside Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Outside Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]captain-chaos[/bold] wrote: I can never understand how someone can make money out of this tragedy. Just remember the 1500+ who lost their lives. I can understand the Spitfire statue as that helped to save lives. Madness![/p][/quote]I suppose if you belong to the Southampton Whingers Society, you never have anything to celebrate![/p][/quote]George4th, you are always whinging,,,anyone who says anything against your friend Royston or his Tory chums,,,gets you whinging all the time,,,,how can one become a member of your Society?[/p][/quote]Outside Edge, I look forward to the day when you reach your peak and post something intelligent![/p][/quote]I wouldn't worry about me posting intelligent, I'd worry about your blind faith in an administration that clearly isn't working for the people of city they are supposed to represent, borrowing money to build an unwanted museum, to hand it over to a private company to manage gives you absolutely nothing other than a white elephant and another debt to pay off. Take a look at the best economy in Europe (Germany) most business's do not have massive debts, credit is scoffed at, yet this council insists on putting the city in hock for this museum, which is something you fully support, yet when people object you start name calling. Southampton Whingers Society was your comment, an intelligent input from you George4th,,,not[/p][/quote]"I'd worry about your blind faith in an administration that clearly isn't working for the people" You mean like yours in the last government - the government that left this coalition with a £1,000 Billion debt and rising - the same government that created a Housing Bubble and a Credit Bubble, both of which went BUST!. A government that has ruined, yes ruined, the futures of so many young people. ANd what did they achieve? WIdening the gap between the have and the have nots. > If you want them back then I would suggest you are in no position to tell me where I stand! P.S. Southampton is a hick City. It requires being brought into this century after 25/30 years of abject neglect by the previous councils (mostly Labour). I live here and I want a City to be proud of, not a laughing stock. George4th
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