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SOUTHAMPTON City Council's six top directors have all smashed through the £100,000 pay barrier for the first time.
Figures reveal their pay packages increased by up to 7.7 per cent at the end of last year - more than triple the Government's target for public sector wage inflation. The rises were condemned by unions as excessive.
Three more city council executive directors joined an annual Town Hall Rich List complied by the TaxPayers' Alliance, a low tax pressure group.
City council chief executive Brad Roynon received a total of £149,534, a rise of 6.4 per cent, while executive director of social services John Beer received £115,139, a 7.7 per cent rise.
Barry Olson, deputy secretary of Southampton's Unison branch, said: "This will cause real anger among the membership when they compare what they received last year and what they've been offered for this year. It speaks for itself."
Council workers this month received a 2.2 per cent pay offer from local government employers.
The TaxPayers' Alliance made Freedom of Information Act requests to find out who earned more than £100,000 in 2006/7. The remuneration figures include salary, bonuses, allowances and benefits-in-kind.
Hampshire County Council again refused to say exactly how much its top managers earned.
Last year it claimed it would expose them to ridicule and "unpleasant and distressing" comment. It also argued it would invade their privacy and interfere with their human rights.
County legal chiefs again insisted they could withhold the information because it was "personal" and would be "unfair" to release.
Matthew Elliot, chief executive of the TaxPayers' Alliance, said: "Taxpayers have a right to know how much senior town hall officials are being paid because only then can we judge whether they deserve their remuneration. Families and pensioners are struggling with the demands of yet another council tax rise, and councils owe it to them to cut back on executive pay hikes."
Hampshire County Council has only confirmed what pay bracket its top earners are in through its statement of accounts.
Latest figures for 2006/7 show its chief executive, then Peter Robertson, was one of a handful in the country to earn more than £200,000 a year - more than the Prime Minister who gets £189,000.
A spokesman for Southampton City Council was unable to comment on the latest pay rises. Mr Roynon was also unavailable for comment.
The council has previously pointed out that its top managers were appropriately remunerated for their important roles and could demand much higher wages in the private sector.
What they are paid:
- Brad Roynon, chief executive: £149,534
- John Beer, executive director of social service:
£115,139
- Carolyn Williamson, executive director of resources: £113,028
- Lorraine Brown, executive director of environment: £106,448
- Nick Murphy, executive director of neighbourhoods: £104,973
- Clive Webster, executive director of children's services and learning: £104,171
10:06am Friday 28th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: =O, here on 10:14am Fri 28 Mar 08
Jesus! Those are obscene figures.
Shouldn't some of that money be used to improve the city instead?
Jesus! Those are obscene figures.
Shouldn't some of that money be used to improve the city instead?
Posted by: Derek docker, Soton on 10:19am Fri 28 Mar 08
We are all felling the pinch, how can they justify these pay awards they should all wear Dick Turpin maskes this is nothing less than state robbery i would like the Echo, to ask them how they can justify such fat cat wages and why they can have 3 times the average wot makes them so special.Pay awards should come from central goverment and anounced publicly.
We are all felling the pinch, how can they justify these pay awards they should all wear Dick Turpin maskes this is nothing less than state robbery i would like the Echo, to ask them how they can justify such fat cat wages and why they can have 3 times the average wot makes them so special.Pay awards should come from central goverment and anounced publicly.
Posted by: gertie gust, civic centre on 10:29am Fri 28 Mar 08
as a basic hard worker within the council i am apalled that we should only be offered a basic 2 percent on our meagre wages , i also believe that if there is no shame in the inflated wages they should be seen above the table as it were.
Can mr Roynon really be worth so much money ? As a council worker i request that we get the same percentage rise as you do Brad ( by the way you never wear your glasses in the echo pics )
an annoyed grafter
as a basic hard worker within the council i am apalled that we should only be offered a basic 2 percent on our meagre wages , i also believe that if there is no shame in the inflated wages they should be seen above the table as it were.
Can mr Roynon really be worth so much money ? As a council worker i request that we get the same percentage rise as you do Brad ( by the way you never wear your glasses in the echo pics )
an annoyed grafter
Posted by: steph, soton on 10:35am Fri 28 Mar 08
it would helpful to know what theses people's jobs wouldn't it ?
it would helpful to know what theses people's jobs wouldn't it ?
Posted by: =O again on 10:37am Fri 28 Mar 08
Sod my plans of becoming a science teacher, I know what I'm going to try and do with my degree!
Sod my plans of becoming a science teacher, I know what I'm going to try and do with my degree!
Posted by: Karen, Southampton on 10:56am Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]=O[/bold] wrote:
Jesus! Those are obscene figures. Shouldn't some of that money be used to improve the city instead?[/quote] There is no need for blasphemy - whatever we all feel
=O wrote:
Jesus! Those are obscene figures. Shouldn't some of that money be used to improve the city instead?
There is no need for blasphemy - whatever we all feel
Posted by: ex SCC employee, southampton on 11:00am Fri 28 Mar 08
As an ex employee of SCC before Carolyn Willamson happily sent a significant portion of her directorate to a private consultant. I would ask why if a significant portion of her team have gone, why hasnt her salary been cut respectivey. If your duties are reduced one would rightly assume your salary would as well. Well it would if you were further down the food chain anyway!
As an ex employee of SCC before Carolyn Willamson happily sent a significant portion of her directorate to a private consultant. I would ask why if a significant portion of her team have gone, why hasnt her salary been cut respectivey. If your duties are reduced one would rightly assume your salary would as well. Well it would if you were further down the food chain anyway!
Posted by: Allan, Southampton on 11:28am Fri 28 Mar 08
Some head teachers are paid these sorts of wages, they are public servants in charge of much smaller organisations but we don’t see the Echo having a pop at them. If you want highly skilled, qualified people then this is the sort of wage you must pay to attract them. Without knowing what these people do or how their performance is assessed how can we make an informed judgement on whether or not they deserve this money?
Some head teachers are paid these sorts of wages, they are public servants in charge of much smaller organisations but we don’t see the Echo having a pop at them. If you want highly skilled, qualified people then this is the sort of wage you must pay to attract them. Without knowing what these people do or how their performance is assessed how can we make an informed judgement on whether or not they deserve this money?
Posted by: Paramjit Bahia, Southampton on 11:32am Fri 28 Mar 08
Only thing I would like to give these fat cats is the order of the boot and save lots of money for services.
[bold]Most of the real work in Council is done by low paid ordinary workers, mainly on the front line and their supervisors.[/bold] All these top dogs do is to look important talk lots of rubbish that nobody can understand and lately have also started controling the most of our elected representatives called Councillors.
[bold]Whole system works like 'Yes Minister'. These are the horrible Humphries.[/bold]
Echo has done a good job on this one, it will be a good idea if now the paper can also print wages of its own bosses and tell us how little they pay to their own ordinary employees.
Only thing I would like to give these fat cats is the order of the boot and save lots of money for services.
Most of the real work in Council is done by low paid ordinary workers, mainly on the front line and their supervisors. All these top dogs do is to look important talk lots of rubbish that nobody can understand and lately have also started controling the most of our elected representatives called Councillors.
Whole system works like 'Yes Minister'. These are the horrible Humphries.
Echo has done a good job on this one, it will be a good idea if now the paper can also print wages of its own bosses and tell us how little they pay to their own ordinary employees.
Posted by: Paul, Southampton on 11:33am Fri 28 Mar 08
Perhaps if the increased salaries for these posts were trimmed there would be no need for hare-brained ideas such as charging residents to park on streets they've already paid far too much money for in taxes elsewhere.
Perhaps if the increased salaries for these posts were trimmed there would be no need for hare-brained ideas such as charging residents to park on streets they've already paid far too much money for in taxes elsewhere.
Posted by: Big Clem, looking for some extra money on 11:35am Fri 28 Mar 08
On the face of it , these salaries seem a bit steep,particularly as they involved a higher percentage award than the national average. One or two of the posts' job descriptions are also obscure. Just what is done as "executive director of neighbourhoods?" for example. In any event, the statement that these directors could command higher salaries in the private sector is a hoot. TRY IT! Another matter, there is no need for personal abuse of these people so lay off the snide remarks.
On the face of it , these salaries seem a bit steep,particularly as they involved a higher percentage award than the national average. One or two of the posts' job descriptions are also obscure. Just what is done as "executive director of neighbourhoods?" for example. In any event, the statement that these directors could command higher salaries in the private sector is a hoot. TRY IT! Another matter, there is no need for personal abuse of these people so lay off the snide remarks.
Posted by: Shazza on 11:36am Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Allan[/bold] wrote:
Some head teachers are paid these sorts of wages, they are public servants in charge of much smaller organisations but we don’t see the Echo having a pop at them. If you want highly skilled, qualified people then this is the sort of wage you must pay to attract them. Without knowing what these people do or how their performance is assessed how can we make an informed judgement on whether or not they deserve this money? [/quote] Well said Brad Roynon!
Allan wrote:
Some head teachers are paid these sorts of wages, they are public servants in charge of much smaller organisations but we don’t see the Echo having a pop at them. If you want highly skilled, qualified people then this is the sort of wage you must pay to attract them. Without knowing what these people do or how their performance is assessed how can we make an informed judgement on whether or not they deserve this money?
Well said Brad Roynon!
Posted by: Allan, Southampton on 11:38am Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote]Most of the real work in Council is done by low paid ordinary workers, mainly on the front line and their supervisors. [/quote]
So lets just divide the council pay budget by the number of staff and pay everyone the same!
Ahh communism, alive and well.
Most of the real work in Council is done by low paid ordinary workers, mainly on the front line and their supervisors.
So lets just divide the council pay budget by the number of staff and pay everyone the same!
Ahh communism, alive and well.
Posted by: ajmsoton, Southampton on 11:43am Fri 28 Mar 08
I think our local councillors have lost all touch with reality if they think it is necessary to pay these high salaries.
It would be nice to think we could begin to make changes through the ballot box & elect people that have some common sense, unfortunately all we have on offer to elect are the same group of idiots that revel in spending other peoples money.
If someone stood in each ward that actually lived in them & showed some common sense perhaps their would be larger turnouts on election day.
I think our local councillors have lost all touch with reality if they think it is necessary to pay these high salaries.
It would be nice to think we could begin to make changes through the ballot box & elect people that have some common sense, unfortunately all we have on offer to elect are the same group of idiots that revel in spending other peoples money.
If someone stood in each ward that actually lived in them & showed some common sense perhaps their would be larger turnouts on election day.
Posted by: Allan, Southampton on 11:46am Fri 28 Mar 08
ajmsoton, Volunteering or just pontificating?
ajmsoton, Volunteering or just pontificating?
Posted by: Mahoney, Romsey on 11:49am Fri 28 Mar 08
What exactly do they do to earn this sort of money??? Probably as little as possible unless you count spending it. Yet another fine example of how the standard working person is being mercilessly taxed to death in order to pay their wage bills, it would be interesting to know who decided how much they should earn, useless made up jobs with no purpose what so ever, what the hell is an "executive director of neighbourhoods?"and what exactly do you do, if our neibourhood is anything to go by I say absolutely nothing.
What exactly do they do to earn this sort of money??? Probably as little as possible unless you count spending it. Yet another fine example of how the standard working person is being mercilessly taxed to death in order to pay their wage bills, it would be interesting to know who decided how much they should earn, useless made up jobs with no purpose what so ever, what the hell is an "executive director of neighbourhoods?"and what exactly do you do, if our neibourhood is anything to go by I say absolutely nothing.
Posted by: carla, Shirley on 12:02pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Being paid such vast sums comes great responsibility. Therefore the question is do they carry the responsibility when something goes wrong and resigns or do they hide. On a side note it is interesting that the education one is paid the least, obviously the council values this the least?
Being paid such vast sums comes great responsibility. Therefore the question is do they carry the responsibility when something goes wrong and resigns or do they hide. On a side note it is interesting that the education one is paid the least, obviously the council values this the least?
Posted by: Allan, Southampton on 12:02pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Mahoney, Everything Brad earns over £34,600, will be taxed at 40%, so he pays about 51000 in tax, and you thought you had it bad?
Mahoney, Everything Brad earns over £34,600, will be taxed at 40%, so he pays about 51000 in tax, and you thought you had it bad?
Posted by: Paul Rdknapp-French, Whiteley on 12:03pm Fri 28 Mar 08
How many burgers would I be able to buy with a £100,000 salary?
How many burgers would I be able to buy with a £100,000 salary?
Posted by: ajmsoton, Southampton on 12:06pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Allan[/bold] wrote:
ajmsoton, Volunteering or just pontificating?[/quote] Who swallowed a dictionary this morning ?
Allan wrote:
ajmsoton, Volunteering or just pontificating?
Who swallowed a dictionary this morning ?
Posted by: Steve, Woolston on 12:24pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Who agrees the obscene wages of these parasites? I wonder if the councillors have anything to do with this. They have their snouts in the trough as well and are paid a kings ransom to attend a few meetings, and generally make our lives a misery with Hare brained schemes.
What annoys me is my wife was a care worker until recently, but gave it up after taking virtually a 50% pay cut, thanks to Mr Beer (salary £115,139 after his latest inflation busting pay rise).
Like most people, I really begrudge paying my inflated council tax.
Who agrees the obscene wages of these parasites? I wonder if the councillors have anything to do with this. They have their snouts in the trough as well and are paid a kings ransom to attend a few meetings, and generally make our lives a misery with Hare brained schemes.
What annoys me is my wife was a care worker until recently, but gave it up after taking virtually a 50% pay cut, thanks to Mr Beer (salary £115,139 after his latest inflation busting pay rise).
Like most people, I really begrudge paying my inflated council tax.
Posted by: Paramjit Bahia, Southampton on 12:25pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Allan[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Most of the real work in Council is done by low paid ordinary workers, mainly on the front line and their supervisors. [/quote] So lets just divide the council pay budget by the number of staff and pay everyone the same! Ahh communism, alive and well.[/quote] You do not have to divide the pay budget and give everybody exactly the same amount. To encourage people pay scales have to differ. But difference here is too much.
Also keep in mind very low percentage pay rise (2.2%)that was awarded to ordinary council workers and the bosses have been awarded upto 7.7 per cent. Let us not forget that 2.2 percent of ordinary workers low wage amounts to only few pounds but when the wage amount is already so high even with 2.2 the director would have pockted lot more money. This could contribute towards bad feelings amongst the workforce.
Allan wrote:
Most of the real work in Council is done by low paid ordinary workers, mainly on the front line and their supervisors.
So lets just divide the council pay budget by the number of staff and pay everyone the same! Ahh communism, alive and well.
You do not have to divide the pay budget and give everybody exactly the same amount. To encourage people pay scales have to differ. But difference here is too much.
Also keep in mind very low percentage pay rise (2.2%)that was awarded to ordinary council workers and the bosses have been awarded upto 7.7 per cent. Let us not forget that 2.2 percent of ordinary workers low wage amounts to only few pounds but when the wage amount is already so high even with 2.2 the director would have pockted lot more money. This could contribute towards bad feelings amongst the workforce.
Posted by: 100k is rubbish on 12:27pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Allan[/bold] wrote:
Mahoney, Everything Brad earns over £34,600, will be taxed at 40%, so he pays about 51000 in tax, and you thought you had it bad?[/quote] Now i feel bad for him... Only taking home 100k
Allan wrote:
Mahoney, Everything Brad earns over £34,600, will be taxed at 40%, so he pays about 51000 in tax, and you thought you had it bad?
Now i feel bad for him... Only taking home 100k
Posted by: Taxpayer, Bitterne Park on 12:35pm Fri 28 Mar 08
And what exactly do these people do apart from a lot of talking, deciding to “cut this, cut that” and making decisions to waste money in other areas?
And what exactly do these people do apart from a lot of talking, deciding to “cut this, cut that” and making decisions to waste money in other areas?
Posted by: Peter Stubbs, Chandlers Ford on 12:48pm Fri 28 Mar 08
At least Southampton council released the figures, it's more than Hampshire County Council will do, that means to me thay have something to hide, which is an insult to the people that pay their salaries. Local government should be forced to provide this infornation because it's [bold]OUR[/bold] money being spent. The Echo can help with this by keepping up pressure on HCC to release the figures, individulas can also help by putting the question to their local councilors. I for one am fed up with being fobbed off by all levels of government when we ask questions about how our money is being spent. Don't let HCC wriggle out of this one, keep up the pressure!
At least Southampton council released the figures, it's more than Hampshire County Council will do, that means to me thay have something to hide, which is an insult to the people that pay their salaries. Local government should be forced to provide this infornation because it's
OUR money being spent. The Echo can help with this by keepping up pressure on HCC to release the figures, individulas can also help by putting the question to their local councilors. I for one am fed up with being fobbed off by all levels of government when we ask questions about how our money is being spent. Don't let HCC wriggle out of this one, keep up the pressure!
Posted by: Insideguess, ??? on 12:54pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Taxpayer[/bold] wrote:
And what exactly do these people do apart from a lot of talking, deciding to “cut this, cut that” and making decisions to waste money in other areas?[/quote] May be spending time in Freemason's lodge holding discussions with June Bridle's husband.
Taxpayer wrote:
And what exactly do these people do apart from a lot of talking, deciding to “cut this, cut that” and making decisions to waste money in other areas?
May be spending time in Freemason's lodge holding discussions with June Bridle's husband.
Posted by: jojo, Soton on 1:00pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I am a public sector worker and have mxied feelings
I do think the pay is excessive - even if one day I could be going quite high up and benefitting from these' obscene' amounts
On the other hand some of them no doubt manage very large depts so probably have a tough job.
I am a public sector worker and have mxied feelings
I do think the pay is excessive - even if one day I could be going quite high up and benefitting from these' obscene' amounts
On the other hand some of them no doubt manage very large depts so probably have a tough job.
Posted by: Jimbo, Southampton on 1:10pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Hamburglar[/bold] wrote:
At least now with the fronts of their houses pictured in the paper the other day (about the parking) and todays showing how much they earn. The Echo have almost opened the door to anyone who wants to rob a wealthy home lol! Anyone busy this weekend then.......?[/quote] This article is about the executives of the council i.e. council staff. The article about the houses and parking was about Councillors, who are on a lot less and are entirely seperate group of people and can be voted out.
Hamburglar wrote:
At least now with the fronts of their houses pictured in the paper the other day (about the parking) and todays showing how much they earn. The Echo have almost opened the door to anyone who wants to rob a wealthy home lol! Anyone busy this weekend then.......?
This article is about the executives of the council i.e. council staff. The article about the houses and parking was about Councillors, who are on a lot less and are entirely seperate group of people and can be voted out.
Posted by: Derek, Dibden Purlieu on 1:29pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Allan[/bold] wrote:
Mahoney, Everything Brad earns over £34,600, will be taxed at 40%, so he pays about 51000 in tax, and you thought you had it bad?[/quote] The higher your salary, the more you investigate ways of reducing your tax liabilities. Anyone who commands a salary of this size will be a total fool to pay the level of tax requested by HMCR.
Allan wrote:
Mahoney, Everything Brad earns over £34,600, will be taxed at 40%, so he pays about 51000 in tax, and you thought you had it bad?
The higher your salary, the more you investigate ways of reducing your tax liabilities. Anyone who commands a salary of this size will be a total fool to pay the level of tax requested by HMCR.
Posted by: Condor Man, Southampton on 1:42pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Unlike the councillors we berate at least they can be voted out. We're lumbered with this mob who'll probably claim they can earn more in the private sector but didn't TUPE over to Capita last October.
Unlike the councillors we berate at least they can be voted out. We're lumbered with this mob who'll probably claim they can earn more in the private sector but didn't TUPE over to Capita last October.
Posted by: Family Man, Bitterne on 1:47pm Fri 28 Mar 08
No one would deny that the taxpayer, who, ultimately, pays these salaries, has the right to expect value for money. Equally, it is only seen as fair that, as these people are employees, they should expect to recieve the same sort of increases as their underlings, unless of course, there is a significant increase in their workloads and responsibilities. That being said, these salaries pale into insignificance alongside salaries in the private sector, indeed only this week an executive of Barclays was notified as receiving a salary of £21M...and for career professionals in the private sector, £100k is very modest... Yes it would be a lot to me, and indeed it is a lot of money to anyone on average wages. I would need some assurance that their worth is properly reflected and judged independently, however I see little evidence that higher executives are as affected by the downward pressure on salaries, as say, are other workers in the public sector. And as for Hampshire CC refusing to be open and honest, I think that speaks for itself and reflects complete arrogance towards the taxpayers who pay their salaries.
No one would deny that the taxpayer, who, ultimately, pays these salaries, has the right to expect value for money. Equally, it is only seen as fair that, as these people are employees, they should expect to recieve the same sort of increases as their underlings, unless of course, there is a significant increase in their workloads and responsibilities. That being said, these salaries pale into insignificance alongside salaries in the private sector, indeed only this week an executive of Barclays was notified as receiving a salary of £21M...and for career professionals in the private sector, £100k is very modest... Yes it would be a lot to me, and indeed it is a lot of money to anyone on average wages. I would need some assurance that their worth is properly reflected and judged independently, however I see little evidence that higher executives are as affected by the downward pressure on salaries, as say, are other workers in the public sector. And as for Hampshire CC refusing to be open and honest, I think that speaks for itself and reflects complete arrogance towards the taxpayers who pay their salaries.
Posted by: Lucifers Beard on 1:49pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Money for old rope.
Posted by: Derek, Dibden Purlieu on 2:11pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote]And as for Hampshire CC refusing to be open and honest, I think that speaks for itself and reflects complete arrogance towards the taxpayers who pay their salaries.[/quote]
The person in charge isn't really the sharpest knife in the drawer.
And as for Hampshire CC refusing to be open and honest, I think that speaks for itself and reflects complete arrogance towards the taxpayers who pay their salaries.
The person in charge isn't really the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Posted by: Wewullywinky on 2:26pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I've said all along our taxes go up so do their wages, yet public services get nothing. I also bet they pay nothing in the way of council tax themselves.
It is for this reason why we should all unite and pay nothing towards our council tax. It's these gready fat cats that make living costs a rip off.
I've said all along our taxes go up so do their wages, yet public services get nothing. I also bet they pay nothing in the way of council tax themselves.
It is for this reason why we should all unite and pay nothing towards our council tax. It's these gready fat cats that make living costs a rip off.
Posted by: Local Government Officer, Locks Heath on 2:28pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I am a local government officer, and not one of those earning the large sums as reported in the Echo! I have been following the various reports about pay levels etc with interest and feel compelled to say some things.
1: I work in local government and I also, like the others making comment, pay my council tax - so every increase affects me as much as anyone else.
2: Certain parts of the comments made by the Echo about HCC are to my knowledge incorrect - they have quoted things said by other people without checking the accuracy - making sure your informations accurate / correct is surely the first law of reporting.
3: HCC as all council's are required to, makes an annual report which includes the number of employees earning over £50K in £10K bands - It doesn't require a genius to make the assumption that the highest figure is for the Chief Exec and the next highest sets are the other chief officers. So the information is not that hard to come by!
4: How would all the readers like it is the Echo was to publish their name and salary level?
Is it just personal information if you don't work in the public sector?
I am a local government officer, and not one of those earning the large sums as reported in the Echo! I have been following the various reports about pay levels etc with interest and feel compelled to say some things.
1: I work in local government and I also, like the others making comment, pay my council tax - so every increase affects me as much as anyone else.
2: Certain parts of the comments made by the Echo about HCC are to my knowledge incorrect - they have quoted things said by other people without checking the accuracy - making sure your informations accurate / correct is surely the first law of reporting.
3: HCC as all council's are required to, makes an annual report which includes the number of employees earning over £50K in £10K bands - It doesn't require a genius to make the assumption that the highest figure is for the Chief Exec and the next highest sets are the other chief officers. So the information is not that hard to come by!
4: How would all the readers like it is the Echo was to publish their name and salary level?
Is it just personal information if you don't work in the public sector?
Posted by: =O on 2:31pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Karen[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]=O[/bold] wrote:
Jesus! Those are obscene figures. Shouldn't some of that money be used to improve the city instead?[/quote] There is no need for blasphemy - whatever we all feel[/quote] Never mind eh? bahahaha!
Karen wrote:
=O wrote:
Jesus! Those are obscene figures. Shouldn't some of that money be used to improve the city instead?
There is no need for blasphemy - whatever we all feel
Never mind eh? bahahaha!
Posted by: cyberman, Southampton on 2:59pm Fri 28 Mar 08
The fact of the matter is that if you want to attract the best staff into top job you need to make a pay offer accordingly.
The fact of the matter is that if you want to attract the best staff into top job you need to make a pay offer accordingly.
Posted by: me, S'ton on 2:59pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I have worked for a number of local councils and in my experience at this level, pay peanuts- get monkeys. Personally I want to live and work in a city that thinks it's residents deserve the best staff running the show and is prepared to pay to attract them here. There a LOT of councils/ other organisations/ consultanties out there- why should we lose out to them? Yep, I'd like a pay rise closer to 7% but I'm very grateful that I don't manage hundreds of staff, diverse services and have the risk of my face being plastered over the paper along with my earnings... so i guess that means I'm getting paid what i deserve instead!!
I have worked for a number of local councils and in my experience at this level, pay peanuts- get monkeys. Personally I want to live and work in a city that thinks it's residents deserve the best staff running the show and is prepared to pay to attract them here. There a LOT of councils/ other organisations/ consultanties out there- why should we lose out to them? Yep, I'd like a pay rise closer to 7% but I'm very grateful that I don't manage hundreds of staff, diverse services and have the risk of my face being plastered over the paper along with my earnings... so i guess that means I'm getting paid what i deserve instead!!
Posted by: Paramjit Bahia, Southampton on 3:07pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Local Government Officer[/bold] wrote:
I am a local government officer, and not one of those earning the large sums as reported in the Echo! I have been following the various reports about pay levels etc with interest and feel compelled to say some things. 1: I work in local government and I also, like the others making comment, pay my council tax - so every increase affects me as much as anyone else. 2: Certain parts of the comments made by the Echo about HCC are to my knowledge incorrect - they have quoted things said by other people without checking the accuracy - making sure your informations accurate / correct is surely the first law of reporting. 3: HCC as all council's are required to, makes an annual report which includes the number of employees earning over £50K in £10K bands - It doesn't require a genius to make the assumption that the highest figure is for the Chief Exec and the next highest sets are the other chief officers. So the information is not that hard to come by! 4: How would all the readers like it is the Echo was to publish their name and salary level? Is it just personal information if you don't work in the public sector? [/quote] To the best of my knowledge Echo (Owned by News Quest) is very profitable bussiness. They are not exactly famous for paying very high wages to ordinary workers but are known for treting the bosses very well.
A while back there was an EDM signed by many MPs in our parliament supporting the cause of ordinary reporters with very poor pay conditions. I remember the money paid to top people in the EDM was very high.
I did pass on the copy of that EDM to Echo news desk, but it never made any news.
By the way none of our Labour MPs from this area signed that EDM. But Lib-Dem (I can't stand them) Mike Hancock from Portsmouth did sign it. Probably our pseudo socialists did not want to get into the bad books of people like Ian Murray.
Yes you are right if Echo is really serious it should practice what it preaches. But it still doesn't and cannot mitigate for the hypocrisy that ordinary Council workers were awarded 2.2% and bosses up to 7.7%.
[bold]Unions should be doing something about it. But will they?[/bold]
Local Government Officer wrote:
I am a local government officer, and not one of those earning the large sums as reported in the Echo! I have been following the various reports about pay levels etc with interest and feel compelled to say some things. 1: I work in local government and I also, like the others making comment, pay my council tax - so every increase affects me as much as anyone else. 2: Certain parts of the comments made by the Echo about HCC are to my knowledge incorrect - they have quoted things said by other people without checking the accuracy - making sure your informations accurate / correct is surely the first law of reporting. 3: HCC as all council's are required to, makes an annual report which includes the number of employees earning over £50K in £10K bands - It doesn't require a genius to make the assumption that the highest figure is for the Chief Exec and the next highest sets are the other chief officers. So the information is not that hard to come by! 4: How would all the readers like it is the Echo was to publish their name and salary level? Is it just personal information if you don't work in the public sector?
To the best of my knowledge Echo (Owned by News Quest) is very profitable bussiness. They are not exactly famous for paying very high wages to ordinary workers but are known for treting the bosses very well.
A while back there was an EDM signed by many MPs in our parliament supporting the cause of ordinary reporters with very poor pay conditions. I remember the money paid to top people in the EDM was very high.
I did pass on the copy of that EDM to Echo news desk, but it never made any news.
By the way none of our Labour MPs from this area signed that EDM. But Lib-Dem (I can't stand them) Mike Hancock from Portsmouth did sign it. Probably our pseudo socialists did not want to get into the bad books of people like Ian Murray.
Yes you are right if Echo is really serious it should practice what it preaches. But it still doesn't and cannot mitigate for the hypocrisy that ordinary Council workers were awarded 2.2% and bosses up to 7.7%.
Unions should be doing something about it. But will they? Posted by: Im a, Flower on 3:24pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Karen[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]=O[/bold] wrote: Jesus! Those are obscene figures. Shouldn't some of that money be used to improve the city instead?[/quote] There is no need for blasphemy - whatever we all feel[/quote] Oh my God. I can't believe you said that..
Karen wrote:
=O wrote: Jesus! Those are obscene figures. Shouldn't some of that money be used to improve the city instead?
There is no need for blasphemy - whatever we all feel
Oh my God. I can't believe you said that..
Posted by: Derek, Dibden Purlieu on 3:35pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[bold]Local Government Officer[/bold] wrote
[italic]4: How would all the readers like it is the Echo was to publish their name and salary level?
Is it just personal information if you don't work in the public sector?[/italic]
You are paid by and accountable to the people who provide your salary. As such, we have every right to be privy to this information. There is the option of leaving the publicly funded feather bed and getting a real job in the private sector but then such luxuries as a guaranteed gold plated pension might be at risk. As an LGO, I'd keep my head down if I were you.
Local Government Officer wrote
4: How would all the readers like it is the Echo was to publish their name and salary level?
Is it just personal information if you don't work in the public sector?
You are paid by and accountable to the people who provide your salary. As such, we have every right to be privy to this information. There is the option of leaving the publicly funded feather bed and getting a real job in the private sector but then such luxuries as a guaranteed gold plated pension might be at risk. As an LGO, I'd keep my head down if I were you.
Posted by: Rich, Sholing on 3:49pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Local Government Officer[/bold] wrote:
I am a local government officer, and not one of those earning the large sums as reported in the Echo! I have been following the various reports about pay levels etc with interest and feel compelled to say some things. 1: I work in local government and I also, like the others making comment, pay my council tax - so every increase affects me as much as anyone else. 2: Certain parts of the comments made by the Echo about HCC are to my knowledge incorrect - they have quoted things said by other people without checking the accuracy - making sure your informations accurate / correct is surely the first law of reporting. 3: HCC as all council's are required to, makes an annual report which includes the number of employees earning over £50K in £10K bands - It doesn't require a genius to make the assumption that the highest figure is for the Chief Exec and the next highest sets are the other chief officers. So the information is not that hard to come by! 4: How would all the readers like it is the Echo was to publish their name and salary level? Is it just personal information if you don't work in the public sector? [/quote] To the best of my knowledge Echo (Owned by News Quest) is very profitable bussiness. They are not exactly famous for paying very high wages to ordinary workers but are known for treting the bosses very well.
A while back there was an EDM signed by many MPs in our parliament supporting the cause of ordinary reporters with very poor pay conditions. I remember the money paid to top people in the EDM was very high.
I did pass on the copy of that EDM to Echo news desk, but it never made any news.
By the way none of our Labour MPs from this area signed that EDM. But Lib-Dem (I can't stand them) Mike Hancock from Portsmouth did sign it. Probably our pseudo socialists did not want to get into the bad books of people like Ian Murray.
Yes you are right if Echo is really serious it should practice what it preaches. But it still doesn't and cannot mitigate for the hypocrisy that ordinary Council workers were awarded 2.2% and bosses up to 7.7%.
[bold]Unions should be doing something about it. But will they?[/bold] [/quote] With regard to Alan Whitehead, he doesn't sign an EDM unless he was involved in drafting it. The reason is that increasingly EDMs are used by MPs to say they are doing something when in fact they aren't. Doesn't mean he doesn't agree with the cause, it's just that he recognises that EDMs aren't the right way to address them.
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Local Government Officer wrote:
I am a local government officer, and not one of those earning the large sums as reported in the Echo! I have been following the various reports about pay levels etc with interest and feel compelled to say some things. 1: I work in local government and I also, like the others making comment, pay my council tax - so every increase affects me as much as anyone else. 2: Certain parts of the comments made by the Echo about HCC are to my knowledge incorrect - they have quoted things said by other people without checking the accuracy - making sure your informations accurate / correct is surely the first law of reporting. 3: HCC as all council's are required to, makes an annual report which includes the number of employees earning over £50K in £10K bands - It doesn't require a genius to make the assumption that the highest figure is for the Chief Exec and the next highest sets are the other chief officers. So the information is not that hard to come by! 4: How would all the readers like it is the Echo was to publish their name and salary level? Is it just personal information if you don't work in the public sector?
To the best of my knowledge Echo (Owned by News Quest) is very profitable bussiness. They are not exactly famous for paying very high wages to ordinary workers but are known for treting the bosses very well.
A while back there was an EDM signed by many MPs in our parliament supporting the cause of ordinary reporters with very poor pay conditions. I remember the money paid to top people in the EDM was very high.
I did pass on the copy of that EDM to Echo news desk, but it never made any news.
By the way none of our Labour MPs from this area signed that EDM. But Lib-Dem (I can't stand them) Mike Hancock from Portsmouth did sign it. Probably our pseudo socialists did not want to get into the bad books of people like Ian Murray.
Yes you are right if Echo is really serious it should practice what it preaches. But it still doesn't and cannot mitigate for the hypocrisy that ordinary Council workers were awarded 2.2% and bosses up to 7.7%.
Unions should be doing something about it. But will they?
With regard to Alan Whitehead, he doesn't sign an EDM unless he was involved in drafting it. The reason is that increasingly EDMs are used by MPs to say they are doing something when in fact they aren't. Doesn't mean he doesn't agree with the cause, it's just that he recognises that EDMs aren't the right way to address them.
Posted by: a.m.taylor, vancouver b.c. on 4:09pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Well done Southamton Echo, next... you can come over here to Vancouver, as the counter parts here are not much better, just dreaming up rubbish that a ten year old could when the real issues are put on the back burner. No wonder the world in a mess.
Well done Southamton Echo, next... you can come over here to Vancouver, as the counter parts here are not much better, just dreaming up rubbish that a ten year old could when the real issues are put on the back burner. No wonder the world in a mess.
Posted by: Wondering, Southampton on 4:09pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Derek[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Local Government Officer[/bold] wrote [italic]4: How would all the readers like it is the Echo was to publish their name and salary level? Is it just personal information if you don't work in the public sector?[/italic] You are paid by and accountable to the people who provide your salary. As such, we have every right to be privy to this information. There is the option of leaving the publicly funded feather bed and getting a real job in the private sector but then such luxuries as a guaranteed gold plated pension might be at risk. As an LGO, I'd keep my head down if I were you.[/quote] So does this mean if I buy the Daily Echo therefore paying for the journo/editors salary am I entitled to know how much they earn??
Derek wrote:
Local Government Officer wrote 4: How would all the readers like it is the Echo was to publish their name and salary level? Is it just personal information if you don't work in the public sector? You are paid by and accountable to the people who provide your salary. As such, we have every right to be privy to this information. There is the option of leaving the publicly funded feather bed and getting a real job in the private sector but then such luxuries as a guaranteed gold plated pension might be at risk. As an LGO, I'd keep my head down if I were you.
So does this mean if I buy the Daily Echo therefore paying for the journo/editors salary am I entitled to know how much they earn??
Posted by: Paramjit Bahia, Southampton on 4:26pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Rich[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Local Government Officer[/bold] wrote: I am a local government officer, and not one of those earning the large sums as reported in the Echo! I have been following the various reports about pay levels etc with interest and feel compelled to say some things. 1: I work in local government and I also, like the others making comment, pay my council tax - so every increase affects me as much as anyone else. 2: Certain parts of the comments made by the Echo about HCC are to my knowledge incorrect - they have quoted things said by other people without checking the accuracy - making sure your informations accurate / correct is surely the first law of reporting. 3: HCC as all council\'s are required to, makes an annual report which includes the number of employees earning over £50K in £10K bands - It doesn\'t require a genius to make the assumption that the highest figure is for the Chief Exec and the next highest sets are the other chief officers. So the information is not that hard to come by! 4: How would all the readers like it is the Echo was to publish their name and salary level? Is it just personal information if you don\'t work in the public sector? [/quote] To the best of my knowledge Echo (Owned by News Quest) is very profitable bussiness. They are not exactly famous for paying very high wages to ordinary workers but are known for treting the bosses very well. A while back there was an EDM signed by many MPs in our parliament supporting the cause of ordinary reporters with very poor pay conditions. I remember the money paid to top people in the EDM was very high. I did pass on the copy of that EDM to Echo news desk, but it never made any news. By the way none of our Labour MPs from this area signed that EDM. But Lib-Dem (I can\'t stand them) Mike Hancock from Portsmouth did sign it. Probably our pseudo socialists did not want to get into the bad books of people like Ian Murray. Yes you are right if Echo is really serious it should practice what it preaches. But it still doesn\'t and cannot mitigate for the hypocrisy that ordinary Council workers were awarded 2.2% and bosses up to 7.7%. [bold]Unions should be doing something about it. But will they?[/bold] [/quote] With regard to Alan Whitehead, he doesn\'t sign an EDM unless he was involved in drafting it. The reason is that increasingly EDMs are used by MPs to say they are doing something when in fact they aren\'t. Doesn\'t mean he doesn\'t agree with the cause, it\'s just that he recognises that EDMs aren\'t the right way to address them.[/quote] [bold]Rich, Thanks for explaining Alan's position. I was not criticising him, he is an old friend for whom I have lots of respect.[/bold]
I was making the point about New Labour MPs not Alan alone.
I do not share the view that EDM do not serve any purpose. It is one of the respectable methods to highlight various issues and raising public awareness.
If unwittingly I may have not used the correct words and may have created misunderstanding, I can always confirm Alan's ability and compassion, which are enormous. But sadly New Labour doesn't seem to apperciate that. For example how come when Gordon Brown went begging to some Tories and even low life Lib-Dem traitors of Labour like Shirley William looking for talent, he could not spot Whitehead right under his own nose and give him the cabinet post he deserves.
[bold]My only gripe with Alan is he too faithfull to his party and keeps on towing the line of Whips. This is stopping people to apperciate real Alan Whitehead.[/bold]
Rich wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote: Local Government Officer wrote: I am a local government officer, and not one of those earning the large sums as reported in the Echo! I have been following the various reports about pay levels etc with interest and feel compelled to say some things. 1: I work in local government and I also, like the others making comment, pay my council tax - so every increase affects me as much as anyone else. 2: Certain parts of the comments made by the Echo about HCC are to my knowledge incorrect - they have quoted things said by other people without checking the accuracy - making sure your informations accurate / correct is surely the first law of reporting. 3: HCC as all council\'s are required to, makes an annual report which includes the number of employees earning over £50K in £10K bands - It doesn\'t require a genius to make the assumption that the highest figure is for the Chief Exec and the next highest sets are the other chief officers. So the information is not that hard to come by! 4: How would all the readers like it is the Echo was to publish their name and salary level? Is it just personal information if you don\'t work in the public sector?
To the best of my knowledge Echo (Owned by News Quest) is very profitable bussiness. They are not exactly famous for paying very high wages to ordinary workers but are known for treting the bosses very well. A while back there was an EDM signed by many MPs in our parliament supporting the cause of ordinary reporters with very poor pay conditions. I remember the money paid to top people in the EDM was very high. I did pass on the copy of that EDM to Echo news desk, but it never made any news. By the way none of our Labour MPs from this area signed that EDM. But Lib-Dem (I can\'t stand them) Mike Hancock from Portsmouth did sign it. Probably our pseudo socialists did not want to get into the bad books of people like Ian Murray. Yes you are right if Echo is really serious it should practice what it preaches. But it still doesn\'t and cannot mitigate for the hypocrisy that ordinary Council workers were awarded 2.2% and bosses up to 7.7%. Unions should be doing something about it. But will they?
With regard to Alan Whitehead, he doesn\'t sign an EDM unless he was involved in drafting it. The reason is that increasingly EDMs are used by MPs to say they are doing something when in fact they aren\'t. Doesn\'t mean he doesn\'t agree with the cause, it\'s just that he recognises that EDMs aren\'t the right way to address them.
Rich, Thanks for explaining Alan's position. I was not criticising him, he is an old friend for whom I have lots of respect.
I was making the point about New Labour MPs not Alan alone.
I do not share the view that EDM do not serve any purpose. It is one of the respectable methods to highlight various issues and raising public awareness.
If unwittingly I may have not used the correct words and may have created misunderstanding, I can always confirm Alan's ability and compassion, which are enormous. But sadly New Labour doesn't seem to apperciate that. For example how come when Gordon Brown went begging to some Tories and even low life Lib-Dem traitors of Labour like Shirley William looking for talent, he could not spot Whitehead right under his own nose and give him the cabinet post he deserves.
My only gripe with Alan is he too faithfull to his party and keeps on towing the line of Whips. This is stopping people to apperciate real Alan Whitehead. Posted by: i hate the council tax on 4:27pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Wondering[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Derek[/bold] wrote: [bold]Local Government Officer[/bold] wrote [italic]4: How would all the readers like it is the Echo was to publish their name and salary level? Is it just personal information if you don't work in the public sector?[/italic] You are paid by and accountable to the people who provide your salary. As such, we have every right to be privy to this information. There is the option of leaving the publicly funded feather bed and getting a real job in the private sector but then such luxuries as a guaranteed gold plated pension might be at risk. As an LGO, I'd keep my head down if I were you.[/quote] So does this mean if I buy the Daily Echo therefore paying for the journo/editors salary am I entitled to know how much they earn??[/quote] You have a choice to buy the echo. you don't have a choice to pay taxes...
Wondering wrote:
Derek wrote: Local Government Officer wrote 4: How would all the readers like it is the Echo was to publish their name and salary level? Is it just personal information if you don't work in the public sector? You are paid by and accountable to the people who provide your salary. As such, we have every right to be privy to this information. There is the option of leaving the publicly funded feather bed and getting a real job in the private sector but then such luxuries as a guaranteed gold plated pension might be at risk. As an LGO, I'd keep my head down if I were you.
So does this mean if I buy the Daily Echo therefore paying for the journo/editors salary am I entitled to know how much they earn??
You have a choice to buy the echo. you don't have a choice to pay taxes...
Posted by: Exscc, southampton on 5:34pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Derek[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Local Government Officer[/bold] wrote [italic]4: How would all the readers like it is the Echo was to publish their name and salary level? Is it just personal information if you don\\\\\\\'t work in the public sector?[/italic] You are paid by and accountable to the people who provide your salary. As such, we have every right to be privy to this information. There is the option of leaving the publicly funded feather bed and getting a real job in the private sector but then such luxuries as a guaranteed gold plated pension might be at risk. As an LGO, I\\\\\\\'d keep my head down if I were you.[/quote] Dirk
You are obviously never worked in local authority and wander around with her head up a dark place. So what do you call a real job then? You need to get your facts right before making stupid remarks like that!
Derek wrote:
Local Government Officer wrote 4: How would all the readers like it is the Echo was to publish their name and salary level? Is it just personal information if you don\\\\'t work in the public sector? You are paid by and accountable to the people who provide your salary. As such, we have every right to be privy to this information. There is the option of leaving the publicly funded feather bed and getting a real job in the private sector but then such luxuries as a guaranteed gold plated pension might be at risk. As an LGO, I\\\\'d keep my head down if I were you.
Dirk
You are obviously never worked in local authority and wander around with her head up a dark place. So what do you call a real job then? You need to get your facts right before making stupid remarks like that!
Posted by: eddie, southampton on 5:52pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Is anyone else getting sick of council stories? I know they run the city and should be scrutinised, but could the echo at least try to find some other news worthy of their front page this week? There must be more going on in the city?!!!!
Is anyone else getting sick of council stories? I know they run the city and should be scrutinised, but could the echo at least try to find some other news worthy of their front page this week? There must be more going on in the city?!!!!
Posted by: Christoff on 7:11pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]eddie[/bold] wrote:
Is anyone else getting sick of council stories? I know they run the city and should be scrutinised, but could the echo at least try to find some other news worthy of their front page this week? There must be more going on in the city?!!!![/quote] yes I am sick of them, especially when the stories are done in such a juvenile way....framing the directors in a Wild West type wanted poster is just silly. So they get a lot of money, big deal. I'm sure if we actually knew a little more about their role and the responsibility/press
ures they have we would be more forgiving.
I don't know anything about their jobs so can't really say either way but if the Echo want to make them public enemy, be fair and show both sides. Or is that not what journalism should be about?!
eddie wrote:
Is anyone else getting sick of council stories? I know they run the city and should be scrutinised, but could the echo at least try to find some other news worthy of their front page this week? There must be more going on in the city?!!!!
yes I am sick of them, especially when the stories are done in such a juvenile way....framing the directors in a Wild West type wanted poster is just silly. So they get a lot of money, big deal. I'm sure if we actually knew a little more about their role and the responsibility/press
ures they have we would be more forgiving.
I don't know anything about their jobs so can't really say either way but if the Echo want to make them public enemy, be fair and show both sides. Or is that not what journalism should be about?!
Posted by: Derek, Dibden Purlieu on 7:21pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Exscc[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Derek[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Local Government Officer[/bold] wrote [italic]4: How would all the readers like it is the Echo was to publish their name and salary level? Is it just personal information if you don\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t work in the public sector?[/italic] You are paid by and accountable to the people who provide your salary. As such, we have every right to be privy to this information. There is the option of leaving the publicly funded feather bed and getting a real job in the private sector but then such luxuries as a guaranteed gold plated pension might be at risk. As an LGO, I\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'d keep my head down if I were you.[/quote] Dirk
You are obviously never worked in local authority and wander around with her head up a dark place. So what do you call a real job then? You need to get your facts right before making stupid remarks like that![/quote] If you'd care to point out which part isn't correct? Maybe the gold plated pensions that we all know can't continue forever isn't true? Maybe you don't think that the public underwrite your wages isn't right?
If Exscc is a sample of a local authority worker, it's little wonder that we're in such a mess. Clearly Exscc isn't employed for writing skills.
Perhaps it's dawning on you that the party can't go on for ever and all the little luxuries are going to go.
Exscc wrote:
Derek wrote:
Local Government Officer wrote 4: How would all the readers like it is the Echo was to publish their name and salary level? Is it just personal information if you don\\\\\\\\\\\\'t work in the public sector? You are paid by and accountable to the people who provide your salary. As such, we have every right to be privy to this information. There is the option of leaving the publicly funded feather bed and getting a real job in the private sector but then such luxuries as a guaranteed gold plated pension might be at risk. As an LGO, I\\\\\\\\\\\\'d keep my head down if I were you.
Dirk
You are obviously never worked in local authority and wander around with her head up a dark place. So what do you call a real job then? You need to get your facts right before making stupid remarks like that!
If you'd care to point out which part isn't correct? Maybe the gold plated pensions that we all know can't continue forever isn't true? Maybe you don't think that the public underwrite your wages isn't right?
If Exscc is a sample of a local authority worker, it's little wonder that we're in such a mess. Clearly Exscc isn't employed for writing skills.
Perhaps it's dawning on you that the party can't go on for ever and all the little luxuries are going to go.
Posted by: Council WORKER, Southampton on 7:33pm Fri 28 Mar 08
As you may of gathered from my name, I work for the council.
I don't sit in an office and 'pen push', I work outside in all weathers and have sweated blood and tears.
I Pay council tax and get p*ssed off when I see what my tax is paying for.
I can't believe these 'top dog's wages'. I would love to have a fifth of their wages....and I could wear film star sunglasses for no extra cost.
As you may of gathered from my name, I work for the council.
I don't sit in an office and 'pen push', I work outside in all weathers and have sweated blood and tears.
I Pay council tax and get p*ssed off when I see what my tax is paying for.
I can't believe these 'top dog's wages'. I would love to have a fifth of their wages....and I could wear film star sunglasses for no extra cost.
Posted by: concerned employee, southampton on 9:23pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]ex SCC employee[/bold] wrote:
As an ex employee of SCC before Carolyn Willamson happily sent a significant portion of her directorate to a private consultant. I would ask why if a significant portion of her team have gone, why hasnt her salary been cut respectivey. If your duties are reduced one would rightly assume your salary would as well. Well it would if you were further down the food chain anyway![/quote] [bold]bold[/bold] quite!!!
ex SCC employee wrote:
As an ex employee of SCC before Carolyn Willamson happily sent a significant portion of her directorate to a private consultant. I would ask why if a significant portion of her team have gone, why hasnt her salary been cut respectivey. If your duties are reduced one would rightly assume your salary would as well. Well it would if you were further down the food chain anyway!
quite!!!
Posted by: Thrush, southampton on 10:07pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Brad Roynon, chief executive: £149,534
John Beer, executive director of social service: £115,139
Carolyn Williamson, executive director of resources: £113,028
Lorraine Brown, executive director of environment: £106,448
Nick Murphy, executive director of neighbourhoods: £104,973
Clive Webster, executive director of children's services and learning: £104,171
as it says, "they could earn more in the private sector"?
well clear off and get a job in the private sector then,this is money for old rope!
Brad Roynon, chief executive: £149,534
John Beer, executive director of social service: £115,139
Carolyn Williamson, executive director of resources: £113,028
Lorraine Brown, executive director of environment: £106,448
Nick Murphy, executive director of neighbourhoods: £104,973
Clive Webster, executive director of children's services and learning: £104,171
as it says, "they could earn more in the private sector"?
well clear off and get a job in the private sector then,this is money for old rope!
Posted by: Anon, Southampton on 11:35pm Fri 28 Mar 08
As a council employee myself i am discusted by this. It is another slap in the face to an already demoralised work force who are constantly having budgets and resources cut while having to cover vacant posts as luckier colleauges manageleave.
The fact that the staff's pay looks like being another below inflation increase this year (i.e a pay cut in real terms) makes the Director's 7%+ even harder to stomach.
We work bloody hard with little or no support to do the best we can for the City. I don't Know why we bother.
As a council employee myself i am discusted by this. It is another slap in the face to an already demoralised work force who are constantly having budgets and resources cut while having to cover vacant posts as luckier colleauges manageleave.
The fact that the staff's pay looks like being another below inflation increase this year (i.e a pay cut in real terms) makes the Director's 7%+ even harder to stomach.
We work bloody hard with little or no support to do the best we can for the City. I don't Know why we bother.
Posted by: Getoverit, Southampton on 1:08am Sat 29 Mar 08
Just get over it... why don't you apply for their jobs when they become vacant? I bet you won't and you will still moan!
Just get over it... why don't you apply for their jobs when they become vacant? I bet you won't and you will still moan!
Posted by: King Mush, Woolston on 2:47am Mon 31 Mar 08
Ah the politics of envy eh?
Fatcats rule and the peasants can all eat cake.
Fact of life - a small percentage of people have the most power and most of the wealth. Ever wondered why?
Mix of the class system, old school tie, freemasonry and much deeper darker undertones at work.
Shadowy figures lurking in the background all the way to the top.
Tough old life aint it?
Ah the politics of envy eh?
Fatcats rule and the peasants can all eat cake.
Fact of life - a small percentage of people have the most power and most of the wealth. Ever wondered why?
Mix of the class system, old school tie, freemasonry and much deeper darker undertones at work.
Shadowy figures lurking in the background all the way to the top.
Tough old life aint it?
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