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Vote for strike by police control room staff
VITAL Hampshire police control
room staff have voted for strike
action in a dispute over working practices.
Civilian workers are unhappy about major
changes the police want to introduce this month at
the control room at Netley, near Southampton.
Around 110 of the 160 civilian personnel are
Unison members and were balloted last month.
Of the 69 who voted, 77 per cent were in favour of
industrial action including a strike while 83 per
cent backed action short of a strike.
Police chiefs say any action would not affect the
999 service or the time taken to respond to emergencies.
Under the proposals, the shift pattern will change
from 48 hours over four days to 60 hours over six
days. The union says that will cost each worker
between £65-90 a month in lost overtime, cause them
to lose 38 rest days a year and force them to undertake
76 additional journeys to and from work.
Peter Terry, Unison regional organiser, said:
"Sixty-nine votes out a 110 was a good response.
Having more than 80 per cent in favour shows how
strongly people feel about being imposed upon and
the detriment they will suffer as a result."
The union and police will meet onMonday. Unison
must give a week's notice of a strike and take any
action within a month of the result of the ballot
becoming known.
Deputy Chief Constable Ian Readhead said: "All
999 calls will still be answered and the response to
emergencies will not be affected."
He added: "We have already prepared contingency
plans in order to continue to provide a full emergency
response service.
"Nevertheless it's disappointing that some of
those Unison members within the control room
who cast their vote have decided to vote for industrial
action to pursue their interests.
"A strike will not remove the need for the constabulary
to implement changes that are believed to
have significant benefits.
"The new shift pattern for the control room is
already worked by colleagues across much of the
force."
10:40am Saturday 5th July 2008
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CommentPosted by: southy, redbridge on 2:35pm Fri 4 Jul 08
good luck unison,48 hours a week is way over the top when you think what most of europe working week is( ave 35 hours after that its over time) personal my self i think its about time the whole of europe had 30 hour week then over time
good luck unison,48 hours a week is way over the top when you think what most of europe working week is( ave 35 hours after that its over time) personal my self i think its about time the whole of europe had 30 hour week then over time
Posted by: Andy, Locks Heath on 2:48pm Fri 4 Jul 08
Unison say that the measures will cost up to £90pm in load overtime. Exactly. Overtime is an extra agreed by by employer and employee. Here Unison are regarding it as a right set in stone. Do you need reminding who is paying this overtime? It's not the Police Authority - It's you and me - the taxpayers, and quite frankly I'm sick of being overtaxed simply to pay the wages of public sector staff who strike when any efficiencies are introduced.
By the way Southy - if we worked a 30 hour week we'd lose our entire industrial sector to Eastern Europe and Asia throwing millions more onto the dole and leading to economic meltdown. Not a good move right now.
Unison say that the measures will cost up to £90pm in load overtime. Exactly. Overtime is an extra agreed by by employer and employee. Here Unison are regarding it as a right set in stone. Do you need reminding who is paying this overtime? It's not the Police Authority - It's you and me - the taxpayers, and quite frankly I'm sick of being overtaxed simply to pay the wages of public sector staff who strike when any efficiencies are introduced.
By the way Southy - if we worked a 30 hour week we'd lose our entire industrial sector to Eastern Europe and Asia throwing millions more onto the dole and leading to economic meltdown. Not a good move right now.
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 2:56pm Fri 4 Jul 08
we losing it any way to asia,where most of the tax payers money is going to is them at the top,and councilers,so why cant the lower staff have what they need instead of going to the few.its going backwards when you put up the working hour week,when we should at less matching the rest of europe.
we losing it any way to asia,where most of the tax payers money is going to is them at the top,and councilers,so why cant the lower staff have what they need instead of going to the few.its going backwards when you put up the working hour week,when we should at less matching the rest of europe.
Posted by: Iain, Lordshill on 2:58pm Fri 4 Jul 08
Quite right Andy. No organisation, public or private, should expect to pay overtime - it should be regarded as a short term fix rather than an ongoing situation, and the police have obviously changed the shift pattern to save the public money.
I can sympathise with the loss of rest days and extra journeys, but where in the private sector such changes might encourage you to look for a different job, the public sector, as usual, throw their toys out and go on strike.
Quite right Andy. No organisation, public or private, should expect to pay overtime - it should be regarded as a short term fix rather than an ongoing situation, and the police have obviously changed the shift pattern to save the public money.
I can sympathise with the loss of rest days and extra journeys, but where in the private sector such changes might encourage you to look for a different job, the public sector, as usual, throw their toys out and go on strike.
Posted by: Wolfy on 3:07pm Fri 4 Jul 08
Strikes should be made illegal.
If you don't like your working conditions, get a new job - simple.
Strikes should be made illegal.
If you don't like your working conditions, get a new job - simple.
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 3:09pm Fri 4 Jul 08
ok how about if they all had a 40 hour week with no over time,and make them employ more people.
because the way your looking at it,its the lower staff that will lose out while the top gain more
ok how about if they all had a 40 hour week with no over time,and make them employ more people.
because the way your looking at it,its the lower staff that will lose out while the top gain more
Posted by: Wolfy sucks on 3:13pm Fri 4 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Wolfy[/bold] wrote:
Strikes should be made illegal. If you don't like your working conditions, get a new job - simple.[/quote] What a stupid quote, very idiotic and unthoughtout.
So everyone should never stick up for themselves and just let people tell them what to do?!
Wolfy wrote:
Strikes should be made illegal. If you don't like your working conditions, get a new job - simple.
What a stupid quote, very idiotic and unthoughtout.
So everyone should never stick up for themselves and just let people tell them what to do?!
Posted by: Confused.com on 3:16pm Fri 4 Jul 08
[quote][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
ok how about if they all had a 40 hour week with no over time,and make them employ more people. because the way your looking at it,its the lower staff that will lose out while the top gain more[/quote] Your argument doesn't make sense - who are the people gaining?
southy wrote:
ok how about if they all had a 40 hour week with no over time,and make them employ more people. because the way your looking at it,its the lower staff that will lose out while the top gain more
Your argument doesn't make sense - who are the people gaining?
Posted by: Dick Shonary on 3:19pm Fri 4 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Wolfy sucks[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Wolfy[/bold] wrote: Strikes should be made illegal. If you don't like your working conditions, get a new job - simple.[/quote] What a stupid quote, very idiotic and unthoughtout. So everyone should never stick up for themselves and just let people tell them what to do?![/quote] Is unthoughtout a real word?
Wolfy sucks wrote:
Wolfy wrote: Strikes should be made illegal. If you don't like your working conditions, get a new job - simple.
What a stupid quote, very idiotic and unthoughtout. So everyone should never stick up for themselves and just let people tell them what to do?!
Is unthoughtout a real word?
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 3:19pm Fri 4 Jul 08
confused.com who do you think that will get all that extra money that was saved.the tax payers will not see it thats for sure,it go to the people at the top so they can have a bigger wage
confused.com who do you think that will get all that extra money that was saved.the tax payers will not see it thats for sure,it go to the people at the top so they can have a bigger wage
Posted by: Dick Heed on 3:22pm Fri 4 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Dick Shonary[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Wolfy sucks[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Wolfy[/bold] wrote: Strikes should be made illegal. If you don't like your working conditions, get a new job - simple.[/quote] What a stupid quote, very idiotic and unthoughtout. So everyone should never stick up for themselves and just let people tell them what to do?![/quote] Is unthoughtout a real word?[/quote] Oh no another spelling a grammar checking, tit head.
Go and flush your head down the ****.
I understood what they meant so why couldn't you.
Dick Shonary wrote:
Wolfy sucks wrote: Wolfy wrote: Strikes should be made illegal. If you don't like your working conditions, get a new job - simple.
What a stupid quote, very idiotic and unthoughtout. So everyone should never stick up for themselves and just let people tell them what to do?!
Is unthoughtout a real word?
Oh no another spelling a grammar checking, tit head.
Go and flush your head down the ****.
I understood what they meant so why couldn't you.
Posted by: Osama Bin Laden, A Cave far far away on 3:23pm Fri 4 Jul 08
Hello 999 Emergency, is anybody there???
Hello 999 Emergency, is anybody there???
Posted by: G. Rammar on 3:29pm Fri 4 Jul 08
I think Southy should have gone to the Fonz meeting the other day.
I think Southy should have gone to the Fonz meeting the other day.
Posted by: Me, Over here on 3:29pm Fri 4 Jul 08
The overtime that will be lost is actually contractual overtime to make up the difference between a standard 37 hour week and what they actually work due to the 12 hour shifts. There isn't an option to opt out unless you work part-time.
The overtime that will be lost is actually contractual overtime to make up the difference between a standard 37 hour week and what they actually work due to the 12 hour shifts. There isn't an option to opt out unless you work part-time.
Posted by: Richard Heed, - don't be so blasted rude. on 3:34pm Fri 4 Jul 08
Spelling and grammar are really quite important when one is attempting to impart their opinion by the written word.
Spelling and grammar are really quite important when one is attempting to impart their opinion by the written word.
Posted by: Bambi on 4:06pm Fri 4 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Richard Heed[/bold] wrote:
Spelling and grammar are really quite important when one is attempting to impart their opinion by the written word.[/quote] So by extension, then, you don't think that the opinions of dyslexics and illiterates are worthwhile? It's often said that once one starts to criticise the literacy of others, one has run out of anything else to say
Richard Heed wrote:
Spelling and grammar are really quite important when one is attempting to impart their opinion by the written word.
So by extension, then, you don't think that the opinions of dyslexics and illiterates are worthwhile? It's often said that once one starts to criticise the literacy of others, one has run out of anything else to say
Posted by: pete on 4:15pm Fri 4 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Richard Heed[/bold] wrote: Spelling and grammar are really quite important when one is attempting to impart their opinion by the written word.[/quote] So by extension, then, you don't think that the opinions of dyslexics and illiterates are worthwhile? It's often said that once one starts to criticise the literacy of others, one has run out of anything else to say[/quote] Well done bambi
Bambi wrote:
Richard Heed wrote: Spelling and grammar are really quite important when one is attempting to impart their opinion by the written word.
So by extension, then, you don't think that the opinions of dyslexics and illiterates are worthwhile? It's often said that once one starts to criticise the literacy of others, one has run out of anything else to say
Well done bambi
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 4:20pm Fri 4 Jul 08
so i dont get any answers on what i said about the 40 hour week,with no over time,and force them to employ more people.
so i dont get any answers on what i said about the 40 hour week,with no over time,and force them to employ more people.
Posted by: Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton on 4:31pm Fri 4 Jul 08
I agree with Southy, sounds like the control room staff are being royally screwed.
Right-wingers can justify this to themselves by saying police shouldn't have the right to strike. Well, if the control room staff all left and got new jobs, we'd all be in right state... New staff would have to be recruited and trained which could take months. Fair play to the strikers for sticking up for themselves.
I agree with Southy, sounds like the control room staff are being royally screwed.
Right-wingers can justify this to themselves by saying police shouldn't have the right to strike. Well, if the control room staff all left and got new jobs, we'd all be in right state... New staff would have to be recruited and trained which could take months. Fair play to the strikers for sticking up for themselves.
Posted by: Richard Heed, - don'be so blasted rude on 4:33pm Fri 4 Jul 08
My point contained nothing to denigrate any individuals'opinion.
Your assumption by extension is totally incorrect.
My point contained nothing to denigrate any individuals'opinion.
Your assumption by extension is totally incorrect.
Posted by: Bambi on 5:13pm Fri 4 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Richard Heed[/bold] wrote:
My point contained nothing to denigrate any individuals'opinion.
Your assumption by extension is totally incorrect.[/quote] Not in the slightest, I'm afraid. Spelling and grammar are important to the written word in general, but neither add to nor detract from opinions carried by the written word. You implied that this was not the case
Richard Heed wrote:
My point contained nothing to denigrate any individuals'opinion.
Your assumption by extension is totally incorrect.
Not in the slightest, I'm afraid. Spelling and grammar are important to the written word in general, but neither add to nor detract from opinions carried by the written word. You implied that this was not the case
Posted by: showing interest, somewhere out there on 5:40pm Fri 4 Jul 08
BBC have quoted the deputy chief constable thus "The new shift pattern for the control room is already worked by colleagues across much of the force."
It would be interesting to hear from those working the new shift pattern about how it works, travelling to work in peak hours, eating [sometimes] 3 meals a day at work,etc.
Any info please?
BBC have quoted the deputy chief constable thus "The new shift pattern for the control room is already worked by colleagues across much of the force."
It would be interesting to hear from those working the new shift pattern about how it works, travelling to work in peak hours, eating 3 meals a day at work,etc.
Any info please?
Posted by: hoo flung dung, southampton on 8:25pm Fri 4 Jul 08
if they strike will the phone ring for ages without being answered???
just like it does when they are there!
if they strike will the phone ring for ages without being answered???
just like it does when they are there!
Posted by: Betty, Winchester HQ on 11:02pm Fri 4 Jul 08
Well done CWUN! And Unison! I hope your action goes all the way until management start listening to staff concerns and realise what they are proposing wont work...
The new shift pattern is not working in the Force Enqurity Centre - more stress, more fatique, more sickness and the call volumes are actually getting worse in terms of waiting times instead of better as promised under this "new" shift pattern. In fact FEC staff are having their shifts changed on almost a weekly basis to cover the discrepancies in call handling that this new shift pattern has created!! Is something now not obvious to those paid highly enough to notice these things????
Hopefully, Unison will now ballot those of us who work at FEC for similar industrial action.
Ultimately, we could even dream there might be a change of senior management at both CWUN and FEC.
(Does this mean Professional Standards will now track me down and discipline me????)
Well done CWUN! And Unison! I hope your action goes all the way until management start listening to staff concerns and realise what they are proposing wont work...
The new shift pattern is not working in the Force Enqurity Centre - more stress, more fatique, more sickness and the call volumes are actually getting worse in terms of waiting times instead of better as promised under this "new" shift pattern. In fact FEC staff are having their shifts changed on almost a weekly basis to cover the discrepancies in call handling that this new shift pattern has created!! Is something now not obvious to those paid highly enough to notice these things????
Hopefully, Unison will now ballot those of us who work at FEC for similar industrial action.
Ultimately, we could even dream there might be a change of senior management at both CWUN and FEC.
(Does this mean Professional Standards will now track me down and discipline me????)
Posted by: Jaded controller, Some where in the west on 11:28pm Fri 4 Jul 08
This new shift pattern will not solve an "overtime bill" issue.
There is still going to be a lot of overtime on offer.(I've seen the new overtime list)
How much overtime anyone will want to do after a 60 hour week who knows. Personally, I don't think I'll be able to face another minute in the room after 6 days, and I officially love this job.
As has been said, contractual overtime was not voluntary, you had to do it if you were full time.
Its hard to give an example of how this works in a conventional job.
Its like being told to do 7.5 hours a day instead of 8, but having to then do an extra day to make it 6 in a row.
On paper, you will be doing less hours a week, mainly because its now an 8 day week (including your days off) which alters the average, in reality you'll never notice it though because now you need to do a 6 day week.
And for that pleasure, it'll cost you 3.5% of your pay.
The strike is not in reality about the new shift pattern. It is much more about it costing us personally for it to be implemented.
With all due respect to the DCC, it's disappointing that staff in the control has had to vote for action in order to fight to prevent pay taking a significant turn for the worse, but hey ho, you take the card you're dealt. It would have taken very little change to the new shift pattern to make any reduction in pay so small it would have been much less painful for us, and not worth fighting over.
Oh well, come next years annual payrise, we'll maybe be back on the same pay we were on 2 years ago. Good job prices are not going up much. :-(
This new shift pattern will not solve an "overtime bill" issue.
There is still going to be a lot of overtime on offer.(I've seen the new overtime list)
How much overtime anyone will want to do after a 60 hour week who knows. Personally, I don't think I'll be able to face another minute in the room after 6 days, and I officially love this job.
As has been said, contractual overtime was not voluntary, you had to do it if you were full time.
Its hard to give an example of how this works in a conventional job.
Its like being told to do 7.5 hours a day instead of 8, but having to then do an extra day to make it 6 in a row.
On paper, you will be doing less hours a week, mainly because its now an 8 day week (including your days off) which alters the average, in reality you'll never notice it though because now you need to do a 6 day week.
And for that pleasure, it'll cost you 3.5% of your pay.
The strike is not in reality about the new shift pattern. It is much more about it costing us personally for it to be implemented.
With all due respect to the DCC, it's disappointing that staff in the control has had to vote for action in order to fight to prevent pay taking a significant turn for the worse, but hey ho, you take the card you're dealt. It would have taken very little change to the new shift pattern to make any reduction in pay so small it would have been much less painful for us, and not worth fighting over.
Oh well, come next years annual payrise, we'll maybe be back on the same pay we were on 2 years ago. Good job prices are not going up much. :-(
Posted by: ? on 1:19am Sat 5 Jul 08
[quote][bold]showing interest[/bold] wrote:
BBC have quoted the deputy chief constable thus "The new shift pattern for the control room is already worked by colleagues across much of the force." It would be interesting to hear from those working the new shift pattern about how it works, travelling to work in peak hours, eating [sometimes] 3 meals a day at work,etc. Any info please? [/quote] "eating 3 meals a day" on this shift pattern? Are you serious? You clearly don't know much about the life of a police officer!
showing interest wrote:
BBC have quoted the deputy chief constable thus "The new shift pattern for the control room is already worked by colleagues across much of the force." It would be interesting to hear from those working the new shift pattern about how it works, travelling to work in peak hours, eating 3 meals a day at work,etc. Any info please?
"eating 3 meals a day" on this shift pattern? Are you serious? You clearly don't know much about the life of a police officer!
Posted by: Big Boy, Hythe on 5:42am Sat 5 Jul 08
I work 84 hours a week regular, so it is physically possible. I would not appreciate the management messing about with my income stream, so would look for another job sharpish. Home life does suffer, so I would demand an uplift for that as well. Sounds like it is time for these people to get a better job. It always easier to get another job when you're already working!
I work 84 hours a week regular, so it is physically possible. I would not appreciate the management messing about with my income stream, so would look for another job sharpish. Home life does suffer, so I would demand an uplift for that as well. Sounds like it is time for these people to get a better job. It always easier to get another job when you're already working!
Posted by: ???, soton on 7:19am Sat 5 Jul 08
The life of a police officer, hardly likely to know anything, they appear remote and invisible to most of us !
The life of a police officer, hardly likely to know anything, they appear remote and invisible to most of us !
Posted by: Thomas Downes, Southampton on 7:39am Sat 5 Jul 08
[quote]Richard Heed wrote:
My point contained nothing to denigrate any individuals'opinion.
Your assumption by extension is totally incorrect.
Not in the slightest, I'm afraid. Spelling and grammar are important to the written word in general, but neither add to nor detract from opinions carried by the written word. You implied that this was not the case[/quote]
It's getting really tedious having to put up with people squabbling over grammar; stick to the subject matter please.
Richard Heed wrote:
My point contained nothing to denigrate any individuals'opinion.
Your assumption by extension is totally incorrect.
Not in the slightest, I'm afraid. Spelling and grammar are important to the written word in general, but neither add to nor detract from opinions carried by the written word. You implied that this was not the case
It's getting really tedious having to put up with people squabbling over grammar; stick to the subject matter please.
Posted by: Ian, bitterne park on 8:29am Sat 5 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Big Boy[/bold] wrote:
I work 84 hours a week regular, so it is physically possible. I would not appreciate the management messing about with my income stream, so would look for another job sharpish. Home life does suffer, so I would demand an uplift for that as well. Sounds like it is time for these people to get a better job. It always easier to get another job when you're already working![/quote] What an odd attitude Big Boy.
In my experience people strike because [bold]they like the job and want to defend what they have got.[/bold] That why they join unions to collectively defend their interests. It is always the long term staff who have been there for years. They would have left years ago otherwise so they must like their jobs.
People who come on here and hide behind the mantra 'if you dont like it leave' are the ones with no backbone or intelligence to actually stand up to their employer and to defend what is rightfully theirs; their good terms and conditions. They have had enough of being asked to be flexible when their employer doesnt return that flexibility to them.
Isnt it about time to be saying that it is employers holding the country to ransome not the unions?
Fair play to these workers.
Big Boy wrote:
I work 84 hours a week regular, so it is physically possible. I would not appreciate the management messing about with my income stream, so would look for another job sharpish. Home life does suffer, so I would demand an uplift for that as well. Sounds like it is time for these people to get a better job. It always easier to get another job when you're already working!
What an odd attitude Big Boy.
In my experience people strike because
they like the job and want to defend what they have got. That why they join unions to collectively defend their interests. It is always the long term staff who have been there for years. They would have left years ago otherwise so they must like their jobs.
People who come on here and hide behind the mantra 'if you dont like it leave' are the ones with no backbone or intelligence to actually stand up to their employer and to defend what is rightfully theirs; their good terms and conditions. They have had enough of being asked to be flexible when their employer doesnt return that flexibility to them.
Isnt it about time to be saying that it is employers holding the country to ransome not the unions?
Fair play to these workers.
Posted by: Big Boy, Hythe on 10:55am Sat 5 Jul 08
Hi Ian, If they like the job & can afford to strike, then go for it. However, I don't think that you will find that it is financially worthwhile. I still say start looking for another job now & then leave, only to return when the employers have returned to their senses. Managers get a black mark if their personnel turn over is too high.
Hi Ian, If they like the job & can afford to strike, then go for it. However, I don't think that you will find that it is financially worthwhile. I still say start looking for another job now & then leave, only to return when the employers have returned to their senses. Managers get a black mark if their personnel turn over is too high.
Posted by: Big Cog on 11:20am Sat 5 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Andy[/bold] wrote:
Unison say that the measures will cost up to £90pm in load overtime. Exactly. Overtime is an extra agreed by by employer and employee. Here Unison are regarding it as a right set in stone. Do you need reminding who is paying this overtime? It's not the Police Authority - It's you and me - the taxpayers, and quite frankly I'm sick of being overtaxed simply to pay the wages of public sector staff who strike when any efficiencies are introduced. By the way Southy - if we worked a 30 hour week we'd lose our entire industrial sector to Eastern Europe and Asia throwing millions more onto the dole and leading to economic meltdown. Not a good move right now. [/quote] Agreed. These communist strikers need to get other jobs if they don't like their employer (that's you and me by the way). Back to minimum wage for many.
Southy needs to look at France to see how shortening the working week works so well.
Andy wrote:
Unison say that the measures will cost up to £90pm in load overtime. Exactly. Overtime is an extra agreed by by employer and employee. Here Unison are regarding it as a right set in stone. Do you need reminding who is paying this overtime? It's not the Police Authority - It's you and me - the taxpayers, and quite frankly I'm sick of being overtaxed simply to pay the wages of public sector staff who strike when any efficiencies are introduced. By the way Southy - if we worked a 30 hour week we'd lose our entire industrial sector to Eastern Europe and Asia throwing millions more onto the dole and leading to economic meltdown. Not a good move right now.
Agreed. These communist strikers need to get other jobs if they don't like their employer (that's you and me by the way). Back to minimum wage for many.
Southy needs to look at France to see how shortening the working week works so well.
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 1:17pm Sat 5 Jul 08
big cog said "Southy needs to look at France to see how shortening the working week works so well." I have and look at other countrys and it works better that what happening in the uk.and i give the french there due they are willing to fight for want they want.over people think like the yanks greed is good but its only for the few
big cog said "Southy needs to look at France to see how shortening the working week works so well." I have and look at other countrys and it works better that what happening in the uk.and i give the french there due they are willing to fight for want they want.over people think like the yanks greed is good but its only for the few
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 1:21pm Sat 5 Jul 08
missed a word in ".over people think like the yanks greed is good but its only for the few" it should of read over here people think like yanks greed is good
missed a word in ".over people think like the yanks greed is good but its only for the few" it should of read over here people think like yanks greed is good
Posted by: Ian, bitterne park on 1:26pm Sat 5 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Big Cog[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Andy[/bold] wrote: Unison say that the measures will cost up to £90pm in load overtime. Exactly. Overtime is an extra agreed by by employer and employee. Here Unison are regarding it as a right set in stone. Do you need reminding who is paying this overtime? It\'s not the Police Authority - It\'s you and me - the taxpayers, and quite frankly I\'m sick of being overtaxed simply to pay the wages of public sector staff who strike when any efficiencies are introduced. By the way Southy - if we worked a 30 hour week we\'d lose our entire industrial sector to Eastern Europe and Asia throwing millions more onto the dole and leading to economic meltdown. Not a good move right now. [/quote] Agreed. These communist strikers need to get other jobs if they don\'t like their employer (that\'s you and me by the way). Back to minimum wage for many. Southy needs to look at France to see how shortening the working week works so well.[/quote] Big Cog and Andy.
'Communist strikers', thats a nice intelligent comment, well thought out and based on real experience. Not!!
These trade unionists have the bottle to stand up to their employers. You two havent got the bottle to walk out the door.
Fair play to the union.
Big Cog wrote:
Andy wrote: Unison say that the measures will cost up to £90pm in load overtime. Exactly. Overtime is an extra agreed by by employer and employee. Here Unison are regarding it as a right set in stone. Do you need reminding who is paying this overtime? It\'s not the Police Authority - It\'s you and me - the taxpayers, and quite frankly I\'m sick of being overtaxed simply to pay the wages of public sector staff who strike when any efficiencies are introduced. By the way Southy - if we worked a 30 hour week we\'d lose our entire industrial sector to Eastern Europe and Asia throwing millions more onto the dole and leading to economic meltdown. Not a good move right now.
Agreed. These communist strikers need to get other jobs if they don\'t like their employer (that\'s you and me by the way). Back to minimum wage for many. Southy needs to look at France to see how shortening the working week works so well.
Big Cog and Andy.
'Communist strikers', thats a nice intelligent comment, well thought out and based on real experience. Not!!
These trade unionists have the bottle to stand up to their employers. You two havent got the bottle to walk out the door.
Fair play to the union.
Posted by: Big Cog on 1:35pm Sat 5 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Big Cog[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Andy[/bold] wrote: Unison say that the measures will cost up to £90pm in load overtime. Exactly. Overtime is an extra agreed by by employer and employee. Here Unison are regarding it as a right set in stone. Do you need reminding who is paying this overtime? It\'s not the Police Authority - It\'s you and me - the taxpayers, and quite frankly I\'m sick of being overtaxed simply to pay the wages of public sector staff who strike when any efficiencies are introduced. By the way Southy - if we worked a 30 hour week we\'d lose our entire industrial sector to Eastern Europe and Asia throwing millions more onto the dole and leading to economic meltdown. Not a good move right now. [/quote] Agreed. These communist strikers need to get other jobs if they don\'t like their employer (that\'s you and me by the way). Back to minimum wage for many. Southy needs to look at France to see how shortening the working week works so well.[/quote] Big Cog and Andy. 'Communist strikers', thats a nice intelligent comment, well thought out and based on real experience. Not!! These trade unionists have the bottle to stand up to their employers. You two havent got the bottle to walk out the door. Fair play to the union.[/quote] I am not sure Andy used the phrase "communist strikers". I certainly did.
Actually I have left employers on three occasions over 25 years because I did not think I was being rewarded correctly. Why strike - if you are good get better employment elsewhere.
Fact is many of these people in desk based public sector employment are next to useless. You will note I used the term "desk based". These script following sheepoids aren't allowed to make decisions because they would make poor decisions day in day out.
I end up paying for their ineptitude and their inefficiency.
If they go on strike will anyone notice?
[bold]If they go on strike will anyone notice?[/bold]
Worth repeating.
Ian wrote:
Big Cog wrote: Andy wrote: Unison say that the measures will cost up to £90pm in load overtime. Exactly. Overtime is an extra agreed by by employer and employee. Here Unison are regarding it as a right set in stone. Do you need reminding who is paying this overtime? It\'s not the Police Authority - It\'s you and me - the taxpayers, and quite frankly I\'m sick of being overtaxed simply to pay the wages of public sector staff who strike when any efficiencies are introduced. By the way Southy - if we worked a 30 hour week we\'d lose our entire industrial sector to Eastern Europe and Asia throwing millions more onto the dole and leading to economic meltdown. Not a good move right now.
Agreed. These communist strikers need to get other jobs if they don\'t like their employer (that\'s you and me by the way). Back to minimum wage for many. Southy needs to look at France to see how shortening the working week works so well.
Big Cog and Andy. 'Communist strikers', thats a nice intelligent comment, well thought out and based on real experience. Not!! These trade unionists have the bottle to stand up to their employers. You two havent got the bottle to walk out the door. Fair play to the union.
I am not sure Andy used the phrase "communist strikers". I certainly did.
Actually I have left employers on three occasions over 25 years because I did not think I was being rewarded correctly. Why strike - if you are good get better employment elsewhere.
Fact is many of these people in desk based public sector employment are next to useless. You will note I used the term "desk based". These script following sheepoids aren't allowed to make decisions because they would make poor decisions day in day out.
I end up paying for their ineptitude and their inefficiency.
If they go on strike will anyone notice?
If they go on strike will anyone notice?
Worth repeating.
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 1:45pm Sat 5 Jul 08
big cog you will only be able to do that so often leave jobs for a better one,in the end you will have to start taking a pay cut work more hours its only time it will catch up with you
big cog you will only be able to do that so often leave jobs for a better one,in the end you will have to start taking a pay cut work more hours its only time it will catch up with you
Posted by: Ian, bitterne park on 1:57pm Sat 5 Jul 08
Apologies to andy.
Stillyou can repeat
[bold]If they go on strike will anyone notice?[/bold] as many times as you want. People choose to strike as a last resort and not to gain attention. I am not sure what point you are trying to make here.
I have left jobs before in my 28 year work history to get ot of a job I hate often to a lower paid job because that is all that is available.Its better to confront the boss with your issues rather than walk away.
Your other comment about desk based workers is clearly based on ignorance.
Apologies to andy.
Stillyou can repeat
If they go on strike will anyone notice? as many times as you want. People choose to strike as a last resort and not to gain attention. I am not sure what point you are trying to make here.
I have left jobs before in my 28 year work history to get ot of a job I hate often to a lower paid job because that is all that is available.Its better to confront the boss with your issues rather than walk away.
Your other comment about desk based workers is clearly based on ignorance.
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 2:31pm Sat 5 Jul 08
[bold]big cog[/bold] are you a employee or employer
big cog are you a employee or employer
Posted by: poppy on 7:27am Sun 6 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Big Boy[/bold] wrote:
I work 84 hours a week regular, so it is physically possible. I would not appreciate the management messing about with my income stream, so would look for another job sharpish. Home life does suffer, so I would demand an uplift for that as well. Sounds like it is time for these people to get a better job. It always easier to get another job when you're already working![/quote] How can you say these people need a better job, when your working 84 hours!? Surley it's you that needs a better job so you can earn as much as you do in a 37 week instead.......
Big Boy wrote:
I work 84 hours a week regular, so it is physically possible. I would not appreciate the management messing about with my income stream, so would look for another job sharpish. Home life does suffer, so I would demand an uplift for that as well. Sounds like it is time for these people to get a better job. It always easier to get another job when you're already working!
How can you say these people need a better job, when your working 84 hours!? Surley it's you that needs a better job so you can earn as much as you do in a 37 week instead.......
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 12:36pm Sun 6 Jul 08
poppy its just right wing greed breed into him,just think 84 hours a week that's is 12 hr day for 7 days week.keep that up for long periods of time you end up having a break down or end up like a robot.
poppy its just right wing greed breed into him,just think 84 hours a week that's is 12 hr day for 7 days week.keep that up for long periods of time you end up having a break down or end up like a robot.
Posted by: Big Boy, Hythe on 5:33am Mon 7 Jul 08
Dearest Poppy & Southy, I work long hours because I want to. I have got three houses which I earned off of vastly inflated wages I managed to negotiate from prospective employers. These workers can do the same. Unions do not work as they just assist the dead legs to become even lazier. Collective bargaining means that these dead legs are riding on hard workers coat tails. I still recommend that they look for another job while they are working.
84 hours isn't so bad, you get used to it. Just think that your missus probably does far more each week keeping you & the sprogs fed & clean.
Dearest Poppy & Southy, I work long hours because I want to. I have got three houses which I earned off of vastly inflated wages I managed to negotiate from prospective employers. These workers can do the same. Unions do not work as they just assist the dead legs to become even lazier. Collective bargaining means that these dead legs are riding on hard workers coat tails. I still recommend that they look for another job while they are working.
84 hours isn't so bad, you get used to it. Just think that your missus probably does far more each week keeping you & the sprogs fed & clean.
Posted by: Davros, The Crucible escape pod on 1:13pm Tue 8 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Big Cog[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Big Cog[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Andy[/bold] wrote: Unison say that the measures will cost up to £90pm in load overtime. Exactly. Overtime is an extra agreed by by employer and employee. Here Unison are regarding it as a right set in stone. Do you need reminding who is paying this overtime? It\'s not the Police Authority - It\'s you and me - the taxpayers, and quite frankly I\'m sick of being overtaxed simply to pay the wages of public sector staff who strike when any efficiencies are introduced. By the way Southy - if we worked a 30 hour week we\'d lose our entire industrial sector to Eastern Europe and Asia throwing millions more onto the dole and leading to economic meltdown. Not a good move right now. [/quote] Agreed. These communist strikers need to get other jobs if they don\'t like their employer (that\'s you and me by the way). Back to minimum wage for many. Southy needs to look at France to see how shortening the working week works so well.[/quote] Big Cog and Andy. 'Communist strikers', thats a nice intelligent comment, well thought out and based on real experience. Not!! These trade unionists have the bottle to stand up to their employers. You two havent got the bottle to walk out the door. Fair play to the union.[/quote] I am not sure Andy used the phrase "communist strikers". I certainly did. Actually I have left employers on three occasions over 25 years because I did not think I was being rewarded correctly. Why strike - if you are good get better employment elsewhere. Fact is many of these people in desk based public sector employment are next to useless. You will note I used the term "desk based". These script following sheepoids aren't allowed to make decisions because they would make poor decisions day in day out. I end up paying for their ineptitude and their inefficiency. If they go on strike will anyone notice? [bold]If they go on strike will anyone notice?[/bold] Worth repeating.[/quote] Yes they will bloody notice when they are being beaten up and they call 999 you dingbat.
And for your info, imbecile, these people are comms CONTROLLERS, not call taker, meaning that they make decisions as to the grading of incidents etc, but I wouldn't expect a Daily Mail reading ignoramus like you to know that anyway.
Big Cog wrote:
Ian wrote: Big Cog wrote: Andy wrote: Unison say that the measures will cost up to £90pm in load overtime. Exactly. Overtime is an extra agreed by by employer and employee. Here Unison are regarding it as a right set in stone. Do you need reminding who is paying this overtime? It\'s not the Police Authority - It\'s you and me - the taxpayers, and quite frankly I\'m sick of being overtaxed simply to pay the wages of public sector staff who strike when any efficiencies are introduced. By the way Southy - if we worked a 30 hour week we\'d lose our entire industrial sector to Eastern Europe and Asia throwing millions more onto the dole and leading to economic meltdown. Not a good move right now.
Agreed. These communist strikers need to get other jobs if they don\'t like their employer (that\'s you and me by the way). Back to minimum wage for many. Southy needs to look at France to see how shortening the working week works so well.
Big Cog and Andy. 'Communist strikers', thats a nice intelligent comment, well thought out and based on real experience. Not!! These trade unionists have the bottle to stand up to their employers. You two havent got the bottle to walk out the door. Fair play to the union.
I am not sure Andy used the phrase "communist strikers". I certainly did. Actually I have left employers on three occasions over 25 years because I did not think I was being rewarded correctly. Why strike - if you are good get better employment elsewhere. Fact is many of these people in desk based public sector employment are next to useless. You will note I used the term "desk based". These script following sheepoids aren't allowed to make decisions because they would make poor decisions day in day out. I end up paying for their ineptitude and their inefficiency. If they go on strike will anyone notice? If they go on strike will anyone notice? Worth repeating.
Yes they will bloody notice when they are being beaten up and they call 999 you dingbat.
And for your info, imbecile, these people are comms CONTROLLERS, not call taker, meaning that they make decisions as to the grading of incidents etc, but I wouldn't expect a Daily Mail reading ignoramus like you to know that anyway.
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 3:11pm Tue 8 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Big Boy[/bold] wrote:
Dearest Poppy & Southy, I work long hours because I want to. I have got three houses which I earned off of vastly inflated wages I managed to negotiate from prospective employers. These workers can do the same. Unions do not work as they just assist the dead legs to become even lazier. Collective bargaining means that these dead legs are riding on hard workers coat tails. I still recommend that they look for another job while they are working.
84 hours isn\'t so bad, you get used to it. Just think that your missus probably does far more each week keeping you & the sprogs fed & clean.[/quote] this sounds normal right wing money grabber,3 houses,what is you do with those 3 house rent them out at high price above the norm,or do you let stand empty for most of the year like a holiday home,oh dont tell me you have boats to,it would sound right for you, you be just another idiot out on the water who do not know what he doing out there.your just greedy big cog and never thinks about other people,just your self.another thing is you dont spend any time with your kids where has i did,and its more than likey it be your kids that would wreak amok in the city.
Big Boy wrote:
Dearest Poppy & Southy, I work long hours because I want to. I have got three houses which I earned off of vastly inflated wages I managed to negotiate from prospective employers. These workers can do the same. Unions do not work as they just assist the dead legs to become even lazier. Collective bargaining means that these dead legs are riding on hard workers coat tails. I still recommend that they look for another job while they are working.
84 hours isn\'t so bad, you get used to it. Just think that your missus probably does far more each week keeping you & the sprogs fed & clean.
this sounds normal right wing money grabber,3 houses,what is you do with those 3 house rent them out at high price above the norm,or do you let stand empty for most of the year like a holiday home,oh dont tell me you have boats to,it would sound right for you, you be just another idiot out on the water who do not know what he doing out there.your just greedy big cog and never thinks about other people,just your self.another thing is you dont spend any time with your kids where has i did,and its more than likey it be your kids that would wreak amok in the city.
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