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New marina plan for Southampton Water
A DEVELOPER has launched a new attempt to gain permission for a multi-million-pound marina on the western shores of Southampton Water.
Oceanic Estates has submitted an application to build a 263-berth facility alongside the former Husband's shipyard at Cracknore Hard Lane, Marchwood, pictured.
Oceanic is hoping to turn Marchwood into a yachting haven that will rival other sailing centres in the Solent area.
Six years ago an application by Bride Marine to build a 300-berth marina at the shipyard was rejected by New Forest District Council because the scheme coincided with plans to build a massive container terminal at Dibden Bay.
The government later rejected the Dibden Bay plan, raising hopes that any subsequent attempt to build a marina at Marchwood would receive the go-ahead.
Following talks with Natural England and the Environment Agency, Oceanic has cut the number of berths to 263 to reduce the impact on inter-tidal mudflats and has re-submitted the plans.
The district council is planning to consult a long list of organisations before making a decision.
6:00am Monday 7th July 2008
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CommentPosted by: Sceptic, Waterside on 6:44am Mon 7 Jul 08
Just in case anyone is unsure what a marina is....it's a place where people who know little about sailing can moor their status symbols with little intention of using them ever again. The Solent is known worldwide as a mecca for such fools.
Just in case anyone is unsure what a marina is....it's a place where people who know little about sailing can moor their status symbols with little intention of using them ever again. The Solent is known worldwide as a mecca for such fools.
Posted by: Do it, soton on 6:47am Mon 7 Jul 08
Get on with it !
Posted by: Big Boy, Hythe on 7:05am Mon 7 Jul 08
The Marina in Hythe has helped the local area, but it has taken 30 years! I hope that Marchwood get their Marina as they need something more than an incinerator!
The Marina in Hythe has helped the local area, but it has taken 30 years! I hope that Marchwood get their Marina as they need something more than an incinerator!
Posted by: Andy, Locks Heath on 8:03am Mon 7 Jul 08
The Marina in Hythe was built in full knowledge that it was next to reclaimed land which was owned by the predecessor to ABP and on which there was an intention to develop an extension to Southampton Docks, yet when 20 years later that scheme was to be implemented Hythe Marina became the epicentre of a hypocritical and lying Nimby campaign that severely damaged Southampton's prospects as a cargo port and removed a generation of careers for the young people of Waterside. The sight of all these selfish Marina residents testifying that they knew nothing of the intention to develop the port when it was common Knowledge across the district for years was just one example of how people will lie through their teeth to serve their own selfish interests. Now you were about to tell us how how Hythe Marina has "helped the local area". How? Did it generate a job? Whoopee.
The Marina in Hythe was built in full knowledge that it was next to reclaimed land which was owned by the predecessor to ABP and on which there was an intention to develop an extension to Southampton Docks, yet when 20 years later that scheme was to be implemented Hythe Marina became the epicentre of a hypocritical and lying Nimby campaign that severely damaged Southampton's prospects as a cargo port and removed a generation of careers for the young people of Waterside. The sight of all these selfish Marina residents testifying that they knew nothing of the intention to develop the port when it was common Knowledge across the district for years was just one example of how people will lie through their teeth to serve their own selfish interests. Now you were about to tell us how how Hythe Marina has "helped the local area". How? Did it generate a job? Whoopee.
Posted by: Watersider on 8:12am Mon 7 Jul 08
Andy is spot on with his comments.
It really was a disgrace that Dibden Bay didn't get the go ahead and proves how common sense is pushed to one side when half-brained environmentalists get involved. I wonder if any follow up studies were ever done at Dibden to see if the 17 birds and 6 newts are still living in harmony in that area of "outstanding beauty and scientific interest" (what a joke that is).
During the summer, I wonder how many locals will be spending time enjoying the Dibden Bay area. Oh, it's private land, so the answer is none.
But I'm sure these plans for a marina will "sail" through all obstacles. We darn't upset a handful of the local chinless wonders who like their drinkies on their boaties (most of which never venture more than 100 yards offshore).
Andy is spot on with his comments.
It really was a disgrace that Dibden Bay didn't get the go ahead and proves how common sense is pushed to one side when half-brained environmentalists get involved. I wonder if any follow up studies were ever done at Dibden to see if the 17 birds and 6 newts are still living in harmony in that area of "outstanding beauty and scientific interest" (what a joke that is).
During the summer, I wonder how many locals will be spending time enjoying the Dibden Bay area. Oh, it's private land, so the answer is none.
But I'm sure these plans for a marina will "sail" through all obstacles. We darn't upset a handful of the local chinless wonders who like their drinkies on their boaties (most of which never venture more than 100 yards offshore).
Posted by: Darren English, Southampton on 8:16am Mon 7 Jul 08
I think that the marina is a good idea, although there seem to be loads of them in the area and wonder if we really need another one. It would be nice if maybe they invested the money in better links from Southampton to the Waterside or developing the area already there. As lovely as the Waterside area is, there is not a lot for young people at all and feel that investing th money in local areas may benefit more.
I think that the marina is a good idea, although there seem to be loads of them in the area and wonder if we really need another one. It would be nice if maybe they invested the money in better links from Southampton to the Waterside or developing the area already there. As lovely as the Waterside area is, there is not a lot for young people at all and feel that investing th money in local areas may benefit more.
Posted by: Watersider on 8:31am Mon 7 Jul 08
The Waterside is the 3rd largest industrial area in the country.
Within 8 miles of each other:
Fawley Power Station
Esso Oil Refinery
Cadland Industrial Estate
Shanks Incinerator
US Army Base (soon to be a boat building yard)
Marchwood Army Base
Marchwood Power Station being built
Marchwood Incinerator
Houndsdown Industrial Estate
Do wish people would open their eyes and realise this is an industrial area, not some tranquil yachty mecca.
The Waterside is the 3rd largest industrial area in the country.
Within 8 miles of each other:
Fawley Power Station
Esso Oil Refinery
Cadland Industrial Estate
Shanks Incinerator
US Army Base (soon to be a boat building yard)
Marchwood Army Base
Marchwood Power Station being built
Marchwood Incinerator
Houndsdown Industrial Estate
Do wish people would open their eyes and realise this is an industrial area, not some tranquil yachty mecca.
Posted by: Chris, Hythe on 8:46am Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Andy[/bold] wrote:
The Marina in Hythe was built in full knowledge that it was next to reclaimed land which was owned by the predecessor to ABP and on which there was an intention to develop an extension to Southampton Docks, yet when 20 years later that scheme was to be implemented Hythe Marina became the epicentre of a hypocritical and lying Nimby campaign that severely damaged Southampton's prospects as a cargo port and removed a generation of careers for the young people of Waterside. The sight of all these selfish Marina residents testifying that they knew nothing of the intention to develop the port when it was common Knowledge across the district for years was just one example of how people will lie through their teeth to serve their own selfish interests. Now you were about to tell us how how Hythe Marina has "helped the local area". How? Did it generate a job? Whoopee.[/quote] It was obvious to any of us with half a brain or more that ABP wanted to develop Dibden Bay and then sell the docks for expensive waterfront properties, at the time a proposal even appeared in an estate agent trade magazine.We were told that not expanding the port would cripple ABP as it was their [bold]only option[/bold] ....but now they have found another option, they are going to totally redevelop the existing docks! The new docks is going to have maximum automation and minimal employees! Great for workers eh Andy? No, just great for shareholders and this is exactly the type of port Hythe would have had, minimal employment and even more congestion on the A326.
Its easy to live in Locks Heath and spout off about us 'NIMBY's. When you have a huge refinery, two power stations, two commercial incinerators and countless other industries in Locks Heath then maybe you can start calling us nimbys...when it comes to waterfront land we dont have much of a back yard as its all industrial.WATERSIDE RESIDENTS HAVE MORE THAN DONE THEIR BIT!!
Andy wrote:
The Marina in Hythe was built in full knowledge that it was next to reclaimed land which was owned by the predecessor to ABP and on which there was an intention to develop an extension to Southampton Docks, yet when 20 years later that scheme was to be implemented Hythe Marina became the epicentre of a hypocritical and lying Nimby campaign that severely damaged Southampton's prospects as a cargo port and removed a generation of careers for the young people of Waterside. The sight of all these selfish Marina residents testifying that they knew nothing of the intention to develop the port when it was common Knowledge across the district for years was just one example of how people will lie through their teeth to serve their own selfish interests. Now you were about to tell us how how Hythe Marina has "helped the local area". How? Did it generate a job? Whoopee.
It was obvious to any of us with half a brain or more that ABP wanted to develop Dibden Bay and then sell the docks for expensive waterfront properties, at the time a proposal even appeared in an estate agent trade magazine.We were told that not expanding the port would cripple ABP as it was their
only option ....but now they have found another option, they are going to totally redevelop the existing docks! The new docks is going to have maximum automation and minimal employees! Great for workers eh Andy? No, just great for shareholders and this is exactly the type of port Hythe would have had, minimal employment and even more congestion on the A326.
Its easy to live in Locks Heath and spout off about us 'NIMBY's. When you have a huge refinery, two power stations, two commercial incinerators and countless other industries in Locks Heath then maybe you can start calling us nimbys...when it comes to waterfront land we dont have much of a back yard as its all industrial.WATERSIDE RESIDENTS HAVE MORE THAN DONE THEIR BIT!!
Posted by: Big Boy, Hythe on 8:47am Mon 7 Jul 08
I agree with Darren about infrastructure improvements & the lack of entertainment for youngsters.
Lymington moorings are oversubscribed, so another Marina in the area should be financially viable.
How has the marina helped the local area? By that I mean Hythe. The (previously fenced off)waste land alongside the pier is now a park. The buildings along the promenade have had a lot more maintenance on them than prior to the Marina arriving. There are more pubs/bars in the pedestrian precinct. The Lord Nelson has improved considerably. The playing fields were moved to allow old peoples accomodation. I hope that Marchwood get their Marina.
I agree with Darren about infrastructure improvements & the lack of entertainment for youngsters.
Lymington moorings are oversubscribed, so another Marina in the area should be financially viable.
How has the marina helped the local area? By that I mean Hythe. The (previously fenced off)waste land alongside the pier is now a park. The buildings along the promenade have had a lot more maintenance on them than prior to the Marina arriving. There are more pubs/bars in the pedestrian precinct. The Lord Nelson has improved considerably. The playing fields were moved to allow old peoples accomodation. I hope that Marchwood get their Marina.
Posted by: Watersider on 8:54am Mon 7 Jul 08
Chris from Hythe. Did you know about the other industries on the Waterside before you moved here? If you were born here and the industries rankle you so much, why are you still here?
ABP are not developing the docks, they are just increasing the size of their container cranes. The only other change has been their ability to stack containers higher than previously.
See Chris, you campaigned against Dibden Bay and in your mind, you won, but are you happy? Nah, only happy when you are trying to stop a development that may benefit someone other than yourself.
Chris from Hythe. Did you know about the other industries on the Waterside before you moved here? If you were born here and the industries rankle you so much, why are you still here?
ABP are not developing the docks, they are just increasing the size of their container cranes. The only other change has been their ability to stack containers higher than previously.
See Chris, you campaigned against Dibden Bay and in your mind, you won, but are you happy? Nah, only happy when you are trying to stop a development that may benefit someone other than yourself.
Posted by: Andy, Locks Heath on 9:07am Mon 7 Jul 08
I've been just as scathing about Nimbies in my local area as I am about those in yours Chris. Southampton can never be a major international freight hub port as it could have been with Dibden Bay. It can only become a feeder to places like Antwerp and hope to retain its own hinterland business at the same time, and you can bet the north French ports won't worry about Nimbyism either. And are you talking about the old eastern docks with all this machiavellian plotting of investing £50 milion in one scheme while secretly wanting another? Surely it's a bit cheaper to just build the flats isn't it? The eastern dock basin was unsuitable for the large vessels of today which is why it was sold off to create Ocean Village - it was innovative, not secretive and it's called changing circumstances.
And all this nonsense about automation meaning only a few jobs would be created - this came up at the public enquiry too - usually voiced by the selfish elderly Marina residents and their amateur mouthpieces. If automation loses jobs then why aren't there 30 million of us on the dole now compared to the 1960s? Progress creates new opportunities.
The school leavers of Noadswood Applemore and elsewhere would have had local career opportunities in electrical and mechanical engineering, computer aided design, logistics, you name it...that will now be going to the school leavers in Felixstowe, Medway and Tilbury. Yes that was nice selfless piece of work by Hythe Marina Residents wasnt it? But wait - Oh yes, I think they created a saturday job working in a newsagents. Waterside's school leavers must be eternally grateful for that.
I've been just as scathing about Nimbies in my local area as I am about those in yours Chris. Southampton can never be a major international freight hub port as it could have been with Dibden Bay. It can only become a feeder to places like Antwerp and hope to retain its own hinterland business at the same time, and you can bet the north French ports won't worry about Nimbyism either. And are you talking about the old eastern docks with all this machiavellian plotting of investing £50 milion in one scheme while secretly wanting another? Surely it's a bit cheaper to just build the flats isn't it? The eastern dock basin was unsuitable for the large vessels of today which is why it was sold off to create Ocean Village - it was innovative, not secretive and it's called changing circumstances.
And all this nonsense about automation meaning only a few jobs would be created - this came up at the public enquiry too - usually voiced by the selfish elderly Marina residents and their amateur mouthpieces. If automation loses jobs then why aren't there 30 million of us on the dole now compared to the 1960s? Progress creates new opportunities.
The school leavers of Noadswood Applemore and elsewhere would have had local career opportunities in electrical and mechanical engineering, computer aided design, logistics, you name it...that will now be going to the school leavers in Felixstowe, Medway and Tilbury. Yes that was nice selfless piece of work by Hythe Marina Residents wasnt it? But wait - Oh yes, I think they created a saturday job working in a newsagents. Waterside's school leavers must be eternally grateful for that.
Posted by: Paula, Marchwood on 9:09am Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Big Boy[/bold] wrote:
I agree with Darren about infrastructure improvements & the lack of entertainment for youngsters. Lymington moorings are oversubscribed, so another Marina in the area should be financially viable. How has the marina helped the local area? By that I mean Hythe. The (previously fenced off)waste land alongside the pier is now a park. The buildings along the promenade have had a lot more maintenance on them than prior to the Marina arriving. There are more pubs/bars in the pedestrian precinct. The Lord Nelson has improved considerably. The playing fields were moved to allow old peoples accomodation. I hope that Marchwood get their Marina. [/quote] I hope we do as well, as all of you have listed we have a lot of the areas shall we say undesirable things, and it would be nice to have for example a nice promenade, some new pubs and restaurants, to open up that area a little. It is one of the better places to view the cruisliners and their fireworks. The idea of sitting on a terrace enjoying a cider or wine, instead of standing on a slipway would be a great improvement. I did hope the old building would have been a nice bar, but even if it is now offices, at least its been sympathetically done up. A marina, chandlers, bar, restaurant, shop,landscaped area with swings ect and perhaps small museum/visitor centre, oh and a small number of houses with parking would be a good use of the space. But than again, not sure if Oceanic Estates are that sympathetic of the development potential?
Big Boy wrote:
I agree with Darren about infrastructure improvements & the lack of entertainment for youngsters. Lymington moorings are oversubscribed, so another Marina in the area should be financially viable. How has the marina helped the local area? By that I mean Hythe. The (previously fenced off)waste land alongside the pier is now a park. The buildings along the promenade have had a lot more maintenance on them than prior to the Marina arriving. There are more pubs/bars in the pedestrian precinct. The Lord Nelson has improved considerably. The playing fields were moved to allow old peoples accomodation. I hope that Marchwood get their Marina.
I hope we do as well, as all of you have listed we have a lot of the areas shall we say undesirable things, and it would be nice to have for example a nice promenade, some new pubs and restaurants, to open up that area a little. It is one of the better places to view the cruisliners and their fireworks. The idea of sitting on a terrace enjoying a cider or wine, instead of standing on a slipway would be a great improvement. I did hope the old building would have been a nice bar, but even if it is now offices, at least its been sympathetically done up. A marina, chandlers, bar, restaurant, shop,landscaped area with swings ect and perhaps small museum/visitor centre, oh and a small number of houses with parking would be a good use of the space. But than again, not sure if Oceanic Estates are that sympathetic of the development potential?
Posted by: Salty on 10:09am Mon 7 Jul 08
Marina = Houses & Flats.
Posted by: ice dancer on 10:16am Mon 7 Jul 08
Darren English was right when he said,"As lovely as the Waterside area is, there is not a lot for young people at all and feel that investing the money in local areas may benefit more." I`m sure they would all like to have an ice rink.
Darren English was right when he said,"As lovely as the Waterside area is, there is not a lot for young people at all and feel that investing the money in local areas may benefit more." I`m sure they would all like to have an ice rink.
Posted by: Why don't you on 10:36am Mon 7 Jul 08
I suppose there is only Calshot Activity Centre, Gang Warily and Applemore Leisure Centres in the area, along with the New Forest and coastline on the doorstep. So not much really for the lazy young wasters to do eh?
I suppose there is only Calshot Activity Centre, Gang Warily and Applemore Leisure Centres in the area, along with the New Forest and coastline on the doorstep. So not much really for the lazy young wasters to do eh?
Posted by: Steve on 12:19pm Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Why don't you[/bold] wrote:
I suppose there is only Calshot Activity Centre, Gang Warily and Applemore Leisure Centres in the area, along with the New Forest and coastline on the doorstep. So not much really for the lazy young wasters to do eh?[/quote] Of course, they are great places to use at 9pm on a Friday night, aren't they?
Why don't you wrote:
I suppose there is only Calshot Activity Centre, Gang Warily and Applemore Leisure Centres in the area, along with the New Forest and coastline on the doorstep. So not much really for the lazy young wasters to do eh?
Of course, they are great places to use at 9pm on a Friday night, aren't they?
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 5:48pm Mon 7 Jul 08
i wonder how many know that Cracknore Hard is one of the last public hards and public slipway.the hard extends from old marchwood power station out let to the corner of marchwood miltary camp.and is from the top of the highest tide to the lowest tide,any one has the rights to moor there boats in a public hard free of charge.and has the right of public access.the land where husband ship repair use to be did not belong to that family.husbands squated the land.the true owner of this land will not sale it.he resides in australia and do come over here once in a blue moon.
i wonder how many know that Cracknore Hard is one of the last public hards and public slipway.the hard extends from old marchwood power station out let to the corner of marchwood miltary camp.and is from the top of the highest tide to the lowest tide,any one has the rights to moor there boats in a public hard free of charge.and has the right of public access.the land where husband ship repair use to be did not belong to that family.husbands squated the land.the true owner of this land will not sale it.he resides in australia and do come over here once in a blue moon.
Posted by: who are you kidding ? on 5:53pm Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Steve[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Why don't you[/bold] wrote: I suppose there is only Calshot Activity Centre, Gang Warily and Applemore Leisure Centres in the area, along with the New Forest and coastline on the doorstep. So not much really for the lazy young wasters to do eh?[/quote] Of course, they are great places to use at 9pm on a Friday night, aren't they?[/quote] At 9pm on a Friday night most of them are at the pub just like their parents did before them !!
Steve wrote:
Why don't you wrote: I suppose there is only Calshot Activity Centre, Gang Warily and Applemore Leisure Centres in the area, along with the New Forest and coastline on the doorstep. So not much really for the lazy young wasters to do eh?
Of course, they are great places to use at 9pm on a Friday night, aren't they?
At 9pm on a Friday night most of them are at the pub just like their parents did before them !!
Posted by: wild bill, millbrook hous est on 6:18pm Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
i wonder how many know that Cracknore Hard is one of the last public hards and public slipway.the hard extends from old marchwood power station out let to the corner of marchwood miltary camp.and is from the top of the highest tide to the lowest tide,any one has the rights to moor there boats in a public hard free of charge.and has the right of public access.the land where husband ship repair use to be did not belong to that family.husbands squated the land.the true owner of this land will not sale it.he resides in australia and do come over here once in a blue moon.[/quote] ! do know this southy,I signed some legal paperwork for him a few years back,It was just saying that he had step on his land.
southy wrote:
i wonder how many know that Cracknore Hard is one of the last public hards and public slipway.the hard extends from old marchwood power station out let to the corner of marchwood miltary camp.and is from the top of the highest tide to the lowest tide,any one has the rights to moor there boats in a public hard free of charge.and has the right of public access.the land where husband ship repair use to be did not belong to that family.husbands squated the land.the true owner of this land will not sale it.he resides in australia and do come over here once in a blue moon.
! do know this southy,I signed some legal paperwork for him a few years back,It was just saying that he had step on his land.
Posted by: Perry Mason, With Della Reece on 9:30pm Mon 7 Jul 08
Chris,
Re your earlier comment. I worked closely on the submission for Dibden Bay and I never once came across a plan, or had any reason to believe, that ABP intended to sell off port land. Did you actually see the article or was this hearsay?
I agree with Andy that the reclamation of Dibden Bay in the 1950/60's was always with the intention that the land would be developed for port related activity. When land at the eastern end was sold off for Marina development in the 1980's the rest of the reclaimed area remained marked for port expansion and land searches would have revealed this. A little known fact here was that the Soton Container port was, at the time, 51% owned by P&O Ports who had just spent a lot of money buying an old Oil Depot on the Thames which they wanted to develop as a container port to cater for the very strong projected growth of the container trade. They were not keen for Soton to expand as it would have severely impacted on their new development. Selective info was fed to the Hythe Marina residents to aid their argument against the development. My personal view this was to the detriment of the long term commercial benefit of this region.
Chris,
Re your earlier comment. I worked closely on the submission for Dibden Bay and I never once came across a plan, or had any reason to believe, that ABP intended to sell off port land. Did you actually see the article or was this hearsay?
I agree with Andy that the reclamation of Dibden Bay in the 1950/60's was always with the intention that the land would be developed for port related activity. When land at the eastern end was sold off for Marina development in the 1980's the rest of the reclaimed area remained marked for port expansion and land searches would have revealed this. A little known fact here was that the Soton Container port was, at the time, 51% owned by P&O Ports who had just spent a lot of money buying an old Oil Depot on the Thames which they wanted to develop as a container port to cater for the very strong projected growth of the container trade. They were not keen for Soton to expand as it would have severely impacted on their new development. Selective info was fed to the Hythe Marina residents to aid their argument against the development. My personal view this was to the detriment of the long term commercial benefit of this region.
Posted by: southy, redbridge on Tue 8 Jul 08
st james dredgers company was the first owners of that land,aprt from the north end that part is owned by veals farm who owns the rights the highest high tide mark,after st james company owned it,it went to westmister dredging company.the south end in the 80's was sold to a marina develope company whitch dean&dybal had the contract.it was about then when APB aquired the rest of the reclaim land,but still dont own the northy end thats still in the hands of veal farm.
st james dredgers company was the first owners of that land,aprt from the north end that part is owned by veals farm who owns the rights the highest high tide mark,after st james company owned it,it went to westmister dredging company.the south end in the 80's was sold to a marina develope company whitch dean&dybal had the contract.it was about then when APB aquired the rest of the reclaim land,but still dont own the northy end thats still in the hands of veal farm.
Posted by: dibdenitte, Dibden on 8:20am Tue 8 Jul 08
Think this is incorrect. The reclaim was carried out by Dredging Companies contracted to BTDB,the forerunner of ABP.
BTDB had evolved from the nationalisation of the railways/inland waterways and railway owned ports in 1947, so it was effectively owned by the Govt. Ownership of Dibden Bay passed to ABP when Mrs Thatcher denationalised BTDB in 1982.
Think you will find that ABP bought Veals Farm ahead of the recent Dibden submission as this was to be the main entrance into the development. ABP also bought houses in Totton to provide for a flyover across the level crossing to provide for increased rail movements
Think this is incorrect. The reclaim was carried out by Dredging Companies contracted to BTDB,the forerunner of ABP.
BTDB had evolved from the nationalisation of the railways/inland waterways and railway owned ports in 1947, so it was effectively owned by the Govt. Ownership of Dibden Bay passed to ABP when Mrs Thatcher denationalised BTDB in 1982.
Think you will find that ABP bought Veals Farm ahead of the recent Dibden submission as this was to be the main entrance into the development. ABP also bought houses in Totton to provide for a flyover across the level crossing to provide for increased rail movements
Posted by: Andy, Locks Heath on 12:15pm Tue 8 Jul 08
That's interesting info Dibdenitte. Residents in Totton were whipped into a nimby frenzy by local councillors talking about the extra container trains splitting Totton in two - because the LC barriers would be down more than up. If that was in fact a non issue because of a flyover then residents were misled by the eco warriors of RADBP. We can live in hope that Dubai Ports will revive the Dibden Bay plan. With all their sovereign fund cash they won't be short of capital.
That's interesting info Dibdenitte. Residents in Totton were whipped into a nimby frenzy by local councillors talking about the extra container trains splitting Totton in two - because the LC barriers would be down more than up. If that was in fact a non issue because of a flyover then residents were misled by the eco warriors of RADBP. We can live in hope that Dubai Ports will revive the Dibden Bay plan. With all their sovereign fund cash they won't be short of capital.
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 2:03pm Tue 8 Jul 08
dibdenite the dredging company was only contracted to dredge out the channel.st james dredging comapany only bought the 1 of 2 farms (the second farm would not sale veals farm).so they had some where to dump the mud.this was to sale time and money for the barges so they did not have to go to the other side of the island to dump the mud.but st james still went bankrupt and was bought out buy westmister,who finished dredging the channel in the early 1980's.work had started before BTDB came about (1962)and ended after the privateize in 1983.
veal farm is still owned by the same family,he refuse permission to let a road or a rail head pass though his land.
dibdenite the dredging company was only contracted to dredge out the channel.st james dredging comapany only bought the 1 of 2 farms (the second farm would not sale veals farm).so they had some where to dump the mud.this was to sale time and money for the barges so they did not have to go to the other side of the island to dump the mud.but st james still went bankrupt and was bought out buy westmister,who finished dredging the channel in the early 1980's.work had started before BTDB came about (1962)and ended after the privateize in 1983.
veal farm is still owned by the same family,he refuse permission to let a road or a rail head pass though his land.
Posted by: dibdenitte, Dibden on 3:48pm Tue 8 Jul 08
Southy,
You are correct that when BTBD was divorced from the BTC in 1962/3 it became responsible for all harbour/port activity in Soton Water.
BTDB (Govt owned) acquired Dibden Bay for port development well before Hythe Marina was built.
If I remember the Dibden submission correctly the main entrance for the Terminal was due to be thro Veals Farm (Veals Lane?)This assumes a deal was done on access but I thought the owners (the Othen family?)subsequently sold the farm.
One of the requirements of the scheme was for the developer to pay for much needed upgrade of some of the Marchwood By Pass as well as upgrade rail and cycle paths
Southy,
You are correct that when BTBD was divorced from the BTC in 1962/3 it became responsible for all harbour/port activity in Soton Water.
BTDB (Govt owned) acquired Dibden Bay for port development well before Hythe Marina was built.
If I remember the Dibden submission correctly the main entrance for the Terminal was due to be thro Veals Farm (Veals Lane?)This assumes a deal was done on access but I thought the owners (the Othen family?)subsequently sold the farm.
One of the requirements of the scheme was for the developer to pay for much needed upgrade of some of the Marchwood By Pass as well as upgrade rail and cycle paths
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 4:53pm Tue 8 Jul 08
westmisters stilled owned the land,they could not hand it over or sell it,till they had finished pumping sludge and the silt had settled and became stable.pumping stop in 1982.year later westmister sold the south end.and it was about this time ABP obtain the 2 middle parts.even lo you see APB signs at the entrance they where put up has an under standing that APB would aquire the part or all the land at a later date,the final entrance to the reclaim land was going to be though cracknor hard land running along on the west side of marchwood militry camp fench.when veal farm owner pointed out they still had to cross his land to get to there land because he owns the rights down to the highest tide mark.what westmisters had done was to make land for veals farm with out relizing it till it was to late( the same thing happen when western docks was built reclaimed back in the 1920's)
westmisters stilled owned the land,they could not hand it over or sell it,till they had finished pumping sludge and the silt had settled and became stable.pumping stop in 1982.year later westmister sold the south end.and it was about this time ABP obtain the 2 middle parts.even lo you see APB signs at the entrance they where put up has an under standing that APB would aquire the part or all the land at a later date,the final entrance to the reclaim land was going to be though cracknor hard land running along on the west side of marchwood militry camp fench.when veal farm owner pointed out they still had to cross his land to get to there land because he owns the rights down to the highest tide mark.what westmisters had done was to make land for veals farm with out relizing it till it was to late( the same thing happen when western docks was built reclaimed back in the 1920's)
Posted by: Andy, Locks Heath on 12:10am Wed 9 Jul 08
Southy I'm impressed by your knowledge of the history of Dibden Bay's development. You sound as though you were involved to some degree. What was your role during this time?
Southy I'm impressed by your knowledge of the history of Dibden Bay's development. You sound as though you were involved to some degree. What was your role during this time?
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 12:38am Wed 9 Jul 08
andy i am or was a rigger by trade has is and was most of my family,there's very long history in rigging in the family.plus i had family working in the docks and on james westminsters,and we tend to chat to each other and pass on info.plus we are not a new family on the banks of the river test family been here or close to the area for over 800 years and maybe longer
andy i am or was a rigger by trade has is and was most of my family,there's very long history in rigging in the family.plus i had family working in the docks and on james westminsters,and we tend to chat to each other and pass on info.plus we are not a new family on the banks of the river test family been here or close to the area for over 800 years and maybe longer
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