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Armed police swoop on the wrong man
ARMED police swooped on a passenger from a Southampton train as he arrived at a south coast train station - but they got the wrong man.
The rail passenger was ordered to lie face down on the platform at gunpoint after leaving the Southampton train at Bournemouth station.
Armed officers from Dorset descended on the station after receiving a tip-off from Hampshire police following an earlier armed incident which is thought to have happened in the Basingstoke area.
Terrified on-lookers described how exits at the station were all blocked off and the 21-year-old man was forced to the ground as 10 armed officers arrested the rail traveller by mistake on Saturday.
One eyewitness said: "I heard one officer say don't let anyone off the train, leave the platform' The exits were all blocked off. The 6.05pm train from Southampton, which we were waiting to get on, pulled up."
"As soon as the doors opened and the man stepped onto the platform, he was ordered to lie down.
"His arms were stretched out and his legs crossed.
"Two police officers drew their weapons. After searching his bag they took him to a disabled toilet cubicle, possibly to search him, before several officers took him away."
A Dorset spokesman confirmed it was a case of mistaken identity and the man was released without charge.
"Dorset police were advised by Hampshire constabulary of an earlier armed incident in Hampshire.
"A man was identified by a police officer on a train travelling into Dorset. The train stopped at Bournemouth railway station and the man identified was detained by two Dorset police firearms officers just after 6pm."
The spokesman said enquiries were continuing into the incident and that no shots were fired and no one was injured.
6:41pm Monday 7th July 2008
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CommentPosted by: haha man, Southampton on 9:16am Mon 7 Jul 08
What a bunch of clowns. I hope this guy sues the police for the distress they've caused innocent black guy. Poor man, victim of the times and the system.
What a bunch of clowns. I hope this guy sues the police for the distress they've caused innocent black guy. Poor man, victim of the times and the system.
Posted by: haha man, Southampton on 9:19am Mon 7 Jul 08
What a bunch of clowns. I hope this guy sues the police for the distress they've caused to this innocent black guy. Poor man, victim of the times and the system. Soceity cannot keep this up, its clearly not right. Human rights shall prevail!!!
What a bunch of clowns. I hope this guy sues the police for the distress they've caused to this innocent black guy. Poor man, victim of the times and the system. Soceity cannot keep this up, its clearly not right. Human rights shall prevail!!!
Posted by: Bobby, soton on 9:21am Mon 7 Jul 08
I heard that those that can't get a job at McD in Dorset become policemen.
I heard that those that can't get a job at McD in Dorset become policemen.
Posted by: Peeler, soton on 9:29am Mon 7 Jul 08
How many cops does it take to throw a man down the stairs - none he fell !!
How many cops does it take to throw a man down the stairs - none he fell !!
Posted by: Fred on 9:42am Mon 7 Jul 08
"A man was identified by a police officer on a train travelling into Dorset"
Nah - they were filming a new commercial for Specsavers. This copper should have gone to Specsavers!
"A man was identified by a police officer on a train travelling into Dorset"
Nah - they were filming a new commercial for Specsavers. This copper should have gone to Specsavers!
Posted by: hulla, baloo on 9:44am Mon 7 Jul 08
Looking at the picture,and his position, it would appear his parachute did not open
Looking at the picture,and his position, it would appear his parachute did not open
Posted by: Mr July on 9:48am Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote][bold]haha man[/bold] wrote:
What a bunch of clowns. I hope this guy sues the police for the distress they\\\'ve caused to this innocent black guy. Poor man, victim of the times and the system. Soceity cannot keep this up, its clearly not right. Human rights shall prevail!!![/quote] haha man, surely your statement should be “innocent guy”? The whole problem with society is that everyone needs to be labelled with some name. Do you really think the police were doing this just for fun. The poor guy must have unfortunately matched the description of the person they were really after. I’m sure you would be the first to complain if someone had been let free and had shot a train full of people!
haha man wrote:
What a bunch of clowns. I hope this guy sues the police for the distress they've caused to this innocent black guy. Poor man, victim of the times and the system. Soceity cannot keep this up, its clearly not right. Human rights shall prevail!!!
haha man, surely your statement should be “innocent guy”? The whole problem with society is that everyone needs to be labelled with some name. Do you really think the police were doing this just for fun. The poor guy must have unfortunately matched the description of the person they were really after. I’m sure you would be the first to complain if someone had been let free and had shot a train full of people!
Posted by: Bemused on 9:51am Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote][bold]hulla[/bold] wrote:
Looking at the picture,and his position, it would appear his parachute did not open[/quote] Brilliant! Cheered up my Monday morning.
hulla wrote:
Looking at the picture,and his position, it would appear his parachute did not open
Brilliant! Cheered up my Monday morning.
Posted by: Dixon on 10:00am Mon 7 Jul 08
[italic]10 armed officers arrested the 21-year-old rail traveller by mistake on Saturday[/italic] .
[italic][bold]was detained by two Dorset police firearms officers just after 6pm."[/bold][/italic]
And they have difficulty counting
10 armed officers arrested the 21-year-old rail traveller by mistake on Saturday .
was detained by two Dorset police firearms officers just after 6pm."
And they have difficulty counting
Posted by: Miss Take, Chandler's Fraud on 10:06am Mon 7 Jul 08
He hadn't been eating fish n'chips in Gosport by any chance?
He hadn't been eating fish n'chips in Gosport by any chance?
Posted by: Cynic, Southampton on 10:09am Mon 7 Jul 08
What happened to the right guy ? Did he go "poof" and disappear into his own haversack ?
What happened to the right guy ? Did he go "poof" and disappear into his own haversack ?
Posted by: Hats Zeitgeist, Hatch Warren on 10:26am Mon 7 Jul 08
Makes a change that they didn't shoot before checking the identity.
I heard that female firearm officers have since been briefed 'Razor for Brazilian - not a rifle'
Makes a change that they didn't shoot before checking the identity.
I heard that female firearm officers have since been briefed 'Razor for Brazilian - not a rifle'
Posted by: Violated, Southampton Sadly on 10:32am Mon 7 Jul 08
This is what being of colour is like in southampton, its not good enough to say ..oh he matched the description I literally just come out my house and got SOS because I matched the description numberous times and i got asians friends tht been stopped because they were under an airplane route??????i mean seriously its getting stupid
This is what being of colour is like in southampton, its not good enough to say ..oh he matched the description I literally just come out my house and got SOS because I matched the description numberous times and i got asians friends tht been stopped because they were under an airplane route??????i mean seriously its getting stupid
Posted by: Osama Bin Laden, A Cave far far away on 10:33am Mon 7 Jul 08
Leave the police alone, they are here to protect us, you don't like there methods f off somewere else
Leave the police alone, they are here to protect us, you don't like there methods f off somewere else
Posted by: Chris Jackson, West End on 10:37am Mon 7 Jul 08
More proof, if it was even needed, that the thuggish, Masonic, paramilitary outfit known as the "Police Force" is seriously out of control.
More proof, if it was even needed, that the thuggish, Masonic, paramilitary outfit known as the "Police Force" is seriously out of control.
Posted by: hmm on 10:38am Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Osama Bin Laden[/bold] wrote:
Leave the police alone, they are here to protect us, you don't like there methods f off somewere else[/quote] It's their methods.
Osama Bin Laden wrote:
Leave the police alone, they are here to protect us, you don't like there methods f off somewere else
It's their methods.
Posted by: Edd on 10:44am Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote]Makes a change that they didn't shoot before checking the identity.[/quote]
Does it? How? How many times have you heard of that happening in this country? From what you say, it's a regular occurrence. Got any stats to back up your hysterical claim?
Makes a change that they didn't shoot before checking the identity.
Does it? How? How many times have you heard of that happening in this country? From what you say, it's a regular occurrence. Got any stats to back up your hysterical claim?
Posted by: Sadaff Bakhoum on 10:45am Mon 7 Jul 08
This would not have happened to a white man.
Further proof, as if it were needed, of institutionalised racism within the Police
This would not have happened to a white man.
Further proof, as if it were needed, of institutionalised racism within the Police
Posted by: Big Vern on 10:50am Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Sadaff Bakhoum[/bold] wrote:
This would not have happened to a white man.
Further proof, as if it were needed, of institutionalised racism within the Police [/quote] Well, quite probably it wouldn't. A white man wouldn't have matched the description "a black male". Idiot, it's hardly racism for a black man to be arrested in connection with a crime committed by a black man, is it?
Sadaff Bakhoum wrote:
This would not have happened to a white man.
Further proof, as if it were needed, of institutionalised racism within the Police
Well, quite probably it wouldn't. A white man wouldn't have matched the description "a black male". Idiot, it's hardly racism for a black man to be arrested in connection with a crime committed by a black man, is it?
Posted by: hulla, baloo on 10:57am Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Sadaff Bakhoum[/bold] wrote:
This would not have happened to a white man. Further proof, as if it were needed, of institutionalised racism within the Police [/quote] Probably would not have happened to a white man.
Take a look through all the convicted bombers,those convicted of plotting or conspiracy to bomb, inciting hatred, calling for blood etc and see how few, if any, are white.
Sadaff Bakhoum wrote:
This would not have happened to a white man. Further proof, as if it were needed, of institutionalised racism within the Police
Probably would not have happened to a white man.
Take a look through all the convicted bombers,those convicted of plotting or conspiracy to bomb, inciting hatred, calling for blood etc and see how few, if any, are white.
Posted by: Sadaff Bakhoum on 10:57am Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Big Vern[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sadaff Bakhoum[/bold] wrote:
This would not have happened to a white man.
Further proof, as if it were needed, of institutionalised racism within the Police [/quote] Well, quite probably it wouldn't. A white man wouldn't have matched the description "a black male". Idiot, it's hardly racism for a black man to be arrested in connection with a crime committed by a black man, is it?[/quote] So, white men don't commit crimes then ?
You must be a Policeman judging by your viewpoint on this.
Big Vern wrote:
Sadaff Bakhoum wrote:
This would not have happened to a white man.
Further proof, as if it were needed, of institutionalised racism within the Police
Well, quite probably it wouldn't. A white man wouldn't have matched the description "a black male". Idiot, it's hardly racism for a black man to be arrested in connection with a crime committed by a black man, is it?
So, white men don't commit crimes then ?
You must be a Policeman judging by your viewpoint on this.
Posted by: Hats Zeitgeist, Hatch Warren on 10:57am Mon 7 Jul 08
What the %^&* is this doing on the Basingstoke Gazette Webstie? Talk about the old bill getting it wrong - the comedy of errors continues with Newsquest not even managing to get it in the right place.
What the %^&* is this doing on the Basingstoke Gazette Webstie? Talk about the old bill getting it wrong - the comedy of errors continues with Newsquest not even managing to get it in the right place.
Posted by: Big Vern on 10:59am Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Sadaff Bakhoum[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Big Vern[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sadaff Bakhoum[/bold] wrote:
This would not have happened to a white man.
Further proof, as if it were needed, of institutionalised racism within the Police [/quote] Well, quite probably it wouldn't. A white man wouldn't have matched the description "a black male". Idiot, it's hardly racism for a black man to be arrested in connection with a crime committed by a black man, is it?[/quote] So, white men don't commit crimes then ?
You must be a Policeman judging by your viewpoint on this.[/quote] Nice try. Nobody said white men don't commit crimes. But why would a white man be arrested for a crime where the perpetrator was described as black? It's pretty simple, if you look beyond your silly need to see racism everywhere
Fool
Sadaff Bakhoum wrote:
Big Vern wrote:
Sadaff Bakhoum wrote:
This would not have happened to a white man.
Further proof, as if it were needed, of institutionalised racism within the Police
Well, quite probably it wouldn't. A white man wouldn't have matched the description "a black male". Idiot, it's hardly racism for a black man to be arrested in connection with a crime committed by a black man, is it?
So, white men don't commit crimes then ?
You must be a Policeman judging by your viewpoint on this.
Nice try. Nobody said white men don't commit crimes. But why would a white man be arrested for a crime where the perpetrator was described as black? It's pretty simple, if you look beyond your silly need to see racism everywhere
Fool
Posted by: Jay on 11:06am Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Mr July[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]haha man[/bold] wrote:
What a bunch of clowns. I hope this guy sues the police for the distress they\\\'ve caused to this innocent black guy. Poor man, victim of the times and the system. Soceity cannot keep this up, its clearly not right. Human rights shall prevail!!![/quote] haha man, surely your statement should be “innocent guy”? The whole problem with society is that everyone needs to be labelled with some name. Do you really think the police were doing this just for fun. The poor guy must have unfortunately matched the description of the person they were really after. I’m sure you would be the first to complain if someone had been let free and had shot a train full of people! [/quote] Ah, so [bold]that's[/bold] the problem with society today, is it? Labelling! Of course! It's not the endless violence, murder-for-fun, rife theft, benefit-fraud-and-te
en-pregnancy being viable career options and broken families that's the problem. It's [italic]labelling[/italic]. Silly us, eh
Mr July wrote:
haha man wrote:
What a bunch of clowns. I hope this guy sues the police for the distress they've caused to this innocent black guy. Poor man, victim of the times and the system. Soceity cannot keep this up, its clearly not right. Human rights shall prevail!!!
haha man, surely your statement should be “innocent guy”? The whole problem with society is that everyone needs to be labelled with some name. Do you really think the police were doing this just for fun. The poor guy must have unfortunately matched the description of the person they were really after. I’m sure you would be the first to complain if someone had been let free and had shot a train full of people!
Ah, so
that's the problem with society today, is it? Labelling! Of course! It's not the endless violence, murder-for-fun, rife theft, benefit-fraud-and-te
en-pregnancy being viable career options and broken families that's the problem. It's
labelling. Silly us, eh
Posted by: q'aarg on 11:40am Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Hats Zeitgeist[/bold] wrote:
What the %^&* is this doing on the Basingstoke Gazette Webstie? Talk about the old bill getting it wrong - the comedy of errors continues with Newsquest not even managing to get it in the right place.[/quote] I think the clue is in the line:
[italic]"Armed officers from Dorset descended on the station after receiving a tip-off from Hampshire police following an earlier armed incident which is thought to have happened in the Basingstoke area."[/italic]
Perhaps you should read things a bit more closely?
Hats Zeitgeist wrote:
What the %^&* is this doing on the Basingstoke Gazette Webstie? Talk about the old bill getting it wrong - the comedy of errors continues with Newsquest not even managing to get it in the right place.
I think the clue is in the line:
"Armed officers from Dorset descended on the station after receiving a tip-off from Hampshire police following an earlier armed incident which is thought to have happened in the Basingstoke area."
Perhaps you should read things a bit more closely?
Posted by: John on 11:41am Mon 7 Jul 08
At least they managed not to kill him this time
At least they managed not to kill him this time
Posted by: Christoff on 11:55am Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Big Vern[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sadaff Bakhoum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Big Vern[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Sadaff Bakhoum[/bold] wrote: This would not have happened to a white man. Further proof, as if it were needed, of institutionalised racism within the Police [/quote] Well, quite probably it wouldn't. A white man wouldn't have matched the description "a black male". Idiot, it's hardly racism for a black man to be arrested in connection with a crime committed by a black man, is it?[/quote] So, white men don't commit crimes then ? You must be a Policeman judging by your viewpoint on this.[/quote] Nice try. Nobody said white men don't commit crimes. But why would a white man be arrested for a crime where the perpetrator was described as black? It's pretty simple, if you look beyond your silly need to see racism everywhere Fool[/quote] well said
Big Vern wrote:
Sadaff Bakhoum wrote: Big Vern wrote: Sadaff Bakhoum wrote: This would not have happened to a white man. Further proof, as if it were needed, of institutionalised racism within the Police
Well, quite probably it wouldn't. A white man wouldn't have matched the description "a black male". Idiot, it's hardly racism for a black man to be arrested in connection with a crime committed by a black man, is it?
So, white men don't commit crimes then ? You must be a Policeman judging by your viewpoint on this.
Nice try. Nobody said white men don't commit crimes. But why would a white man be arrested for a crime where the perpetrator was described as black? It's pretty simple, if you look beyond your silly need to see racism everywhere Fool
well said
Posted by: Hakim on 12:49pm Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote]Sadaff Bakhoum wrote: This would not have happened to a white man. Further proof, as if it were needed, of institutionalised racism within the Police[/quote]
He fitted the description - end of story, idiot police hater!
If a white skinhead with tattoos is being sought for a racist attack on blacks or browns, or a robbery, if there's one in the vicinity, would the police not attempt to arrest him?
Of course they'd placate and if need be, arrest him.
Typical "We're all victims because we're not white junk".
If you cannot see the police reasons for this apprehesion, it's because you do not want to.
Stop playing victim.
Stop playing, "is it cos i's black?".
Stop blaming.
And start supporting the same people you'd be calling if you were robbed or attacked.
Sadaff Bakhoum wrote: This would not have happened to a white man. Further proof, as if it were needed, of institutionalised racism within the Police
He fitted the description - end of story, idiot police hater!
If a white skinhead with tattoos is being sought for a racist attack on blacks or browns, or a robbery, if there's one in the vicinity, would the police not attempt to arrest him?
Of course they'd placate and if need be, arrest him.
Typical "We're all victims because we're not white junk".
If you cannot see the police reasons for this apprehesion, it's because you do not want to.
Stop playing victim.
Stop playing, "is it cos i's black?".
Stop blaming.
And start supporting the same people you'd be calling if you were robbed or attacked.
Posted by: Anthony James, Freemantle on 1:27pm Mon 7 Jul 08
[italic]"Terrified on-lookers described how exits at the station were all blocked off and the 21-year-old man was forced to the ground as 10 armed officers arrested the 21-year-old rail traveller by mistake on Saturday."[/italic]
Come on Echo, this is shoddy writing of the worst kind. Do you have any journalists left who can write, or are they all kids straight out school?
"Terrified on-lookers described how exits at the station were all blocked off and the 21-year-old man was forced to the ground as 10 armed officers arrested the 21-year-old rail traveller by mistake on Saturday."
Come on Echo, this is shoddy writing of the worst kind. Do you have any journalists left who can write, or are they all kids straight out school?
Posted by: Holly Gains on 2:01pm Mon 7 Jul 08
The guy must be thanking his lucky stars he didn't get gunned down by the trigger happy cops. No doubt if he had taken a dozen fatal shots to the head the 'investigation' would have come up with some excuse to vindicate the Police again !!!!
The guy must be thanking his lucky stars he didn't get gunned down by the trigger happy cops. No doubt if he had taken a dozen fatal shots to the head the 'investigation' would have come up with some excuse to vindicate the Police again !!!!
Posted by: Miket, Soton on 2:08pm Mon 7 Jul 08
They should have arrested him for parking on the yellow line.
They should have arrested him for parking on the yellow line.
Posted by: Lowe and Behold, St Marys hotseat on 2:30pm Mon 7 Jul 08
Dozey old bill enough said...
Dozey old bill enough said...
Posted by: Holly is a Airhead on 2:34pm Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Holly Gains[/bold] wrote:
The guy must be thanking his lucky stars he didn't get gunned down by the trigger happy cops. No doubt if he had taken a dozen fatal shots to the head the 'investigation' would have come up with some excuse to vindicate the Police again !!!![/quote] This is the same Holly that thinks armed raiders threatening security staff with guns shouldn't be shot.
Taking into account the current knife crime culture,I would like to see anybody wielding a gun or knife in public behaving in a threatening manner towards another to be shot on sight. Let's get the fear factor instilled back into society.
As for this story - no harm done in the execution of their duties.
Put the race cards away.....I think we all know who are committing the majority of inner city gun and knife crimes. Terror suspects are terror suspects whatever their appearance.
It just so happens that Muslims are the new Irish.
Holly Gains wrote:
The guy must be thanking his lucky stars he didn't get gunned down by the trigger happy cops. No doubt if he had taken a dozen fatal shots to the head the 'investigation' would have come up with some excuse to vindicate the Police again !!!!
This is the same Holly that thinks armed raiders threatening security staff with guns shouldn't be shot.
Taking into account the current knife crime culture,I would like to see anybody wielding a gun or knife in public behaving in a threatening manner towards another to be shot on sight. Let's get the fear factor instilled back into society.
As for this story - no harm done in the execution of their duties.
Put the race cards away.....I think we all know who are committing the majority of inner city gun and knife crimes. Terror suspects are terror suspects whatever their appearance.
It just so happens that Muslims are the new Irish.
Posted by: Iain, Lordshill on 2:42pm Mon 7 Jul 08
Right, so a bloke who looks like someone who was involved in a firearms offence was arrested. As it was feared he may have a gun, armed police were involved. When the police were satisfied that he was not the man they were looking for they released him.
Can anyone explain what the police did wrong, or why they would not be happy for a suspected gunman on their train to be similarly treated?
Right, so a bloke who looks like someone who was involved in a firearms offence was arrested. As it was feared he may have a gun, armed police were involved. When the police were satisfied that he was not the man they were looking for they released him.
Can anyone explain what the police did wrong, or why they would not be happy for a suspected gunman on their train to be similarly treated?
Posted by: thinkabout it on 2:54pm Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Big Vern[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sadaff Bakhoum[/bold] wrote: This would not have happened to a white man. Further proof, as if it were needed, of institutionalised racism within the Police [/quote] Well, quite probably it wouldn't. A white man wouldn't have matched the description "a black male". Idiot, it's hardly racism for a black man to be arrested in connection with a crime committed by a black man, is it?[/quote] well said. poor little black man picked on for being the same color as the man they wanted.what a stupid thing to say,dinlo
Big Vern wrote:
Sadaff Bakhoum wrote: This would not have happened to a white man. Further proof, as if it were needed, of institutionalised racism within the Police
Well, quite probably it wouldn't. A white man wouldn't have matched the description "a black male". Idiot, it's hardly racism for a black man to be arrested in connection with a crime committed by a black man, is it?
well said. poor little black man picked on for being the same color as the man they wanted.what a stupid thing to say,dinlo
Posted by: Spider on 3:44pm Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Anthony James[/bold] wrote:
[italic]"Terrified on-lookers described how exits at the station were all blocked off and the 21-year-old man was forced to the ground as 10 armed officers arrested the 21-year-old rail traveller by mistake on Saturday."[/italic] Come on Echo, this is shoddy writing of the worst kind. Do you have any journalists left who can write, or are they all kids straight out school? [/quote] Straight ouf of primary school in my eyes!!!
Anthony James wrote:
"Terrified on-lookers described how exits at the station were all blocked off and the 21-year-old man was forced to the ground as 10 armed officers arrested the 21-year-old rail traveller by mistake on Saturday." Come on Echo, this is shoddy writing of the worst kind. Do you have any journalists left who can write, or are they all kids straight out school?
Straight ouf of primary school in my eyes!!!
Posted by: Pro west = pro freedom, The free world on 4:24pm Mon 7 Jul 08
This country will be taken back, quicker than it has been given away.
If you can't see his posting name is a play on words, you need an early learning book, fools.
The people that post on this site with any support other than our police and armed forces, are inadverent foot soldiers of a battle between good and bad.
The very fact you are writing on this site means you are lucky enough to live in a good free and just society, not always perfect, but better than any other country on this planet can offer, one, that if not kept an eye on from religious extremists, will in time be another war zone like those scattered across the UN-FREE world.
If this is too difficult for your small minds to comprehend, go and live in a country where you have no rights.
If you don't want to, which i'm pretty sure you don't, before you accuse of breeding hate, read the koran!
This country will be taken back, quicker than it has been given away.
If you can't see his posting name is a play on words, you need an early learning book, fools.
The people that post on this site with any support other than our police and armed forces, are inadverent foot soldiers of a battle between good and bad.
The very fact you are writing on this site means you are lucky enough to live in a good free and just society, not always perfect, but better than any other country on this planet can offer, one, that if not kept an eye on from religious extremists, will in time be another war zone like those scattered across the UN-FREE world.
If this is too difficult for your small minds to comprehend, go and live in a country where you have no rights.
If you don't want to, which i'm pretty sure you don't, before you accuse of breeding hate, read the koran!
Posted by: Real Life on 4:48pm Mon 7 Jul 08
so if it was the right man and the police did nothing and someone got hurt would the police be praised, i think not. Its time to get real
so if it was the right man and the police did nothing and someone got hurt would the police be praised, i think not. Its time to get real
Posted by: May Duppnaym on 6:05pm Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Iain[/bold] wrote:
Right, so a bloke who looks like someone who was involved in a firearms offence was arrested. As it was feared he may have a gun, armed police were involved. When the police were satisfied that he was not the man they were looking for they released him. Can anyone explain what the police did wrong, or why they would not be happy for a suspected gunman on their train to be similarly treated?[/quote] Well, they got the wrong guy for starters. And what happened to the man that the police should have arrested? Presumably, he was allowed to walz out the station while the officers were busy faffing about, scaring the living daylights out of an innocent man.
To say, as some have, that he was a black man and therefore matched the description of "a black man" is not really good enough. If that was the only description of the suspect that the officers had to go on, then they seriously need to improve their intelligence.
Iain wrote:
Right, so a bloke who looks like someone who was involved in a firearms offence was arrested. As it was feared he may have a gun, armed police were involved. When the police were satisfied that he was not the man they were looking for they released him. Can anyone explain what the police did wrong, or why they would not be happy for a suspected gunman on their train to be similarly treated?
Well, they got the wrong guy for starters. And what happened to the man that the police should have arrested? Presumably, he was allowed to walz out the station while the officers were busy faffing about, scaring the living daylights out of an innocent man.
To say, as some have, that he was a black man and therefore matched the description of "a black man" is not really good enough. If that was the only description of the suspect that the officers had to go on, then they seriously need to improve their intelligence.
Posted by: baconandeggs51 on 6:23pm Mon 7 Jul 08
Big Vern your really on top form,i havent laughed this much in weeks."keep up the good work"
Big Vern your really on top form,i havent laughed this much in weeks."keep up the good work"
Posted by: Toe jam on 6:27pm Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote]May Duppnaym on 6:05pm today
[quote][bold]Iain[/bold] wrote: Right, so a bloke who looks like someone who was involved in a firearms offence was arrested. As it was feared he may have a gun, armed police were involved. When the police were satisfied that he was not the man they were looking for they released him. Can anyone explain what the police did wrong, or why they would not be happy for a suspected gunman on their train to be similarly treated?[/quote] Well, they got the wrong guy for starters. And what happened to the man that the police should have arrested? Presumably, he was allowed to walz out the station while the officers were busy faffing about, scaring the living daylights out of an innocent man. To say, as some have, that he was a black man and therefore matched the description of "a black man" is not really good enough. If that was the only description of the suspect that the officers had to go on, then they seriously need to improve their intelligence.
[/quote]
So, you are assuming their intelligence didn't take into account;
He was possibly, the only black person on the train
He was not dressed similar.
His height was not similar.
The suspect did not have a similar rucksack.
Given a choice of your assumption towards the police intelligence, i think we can safely say you don't know.
That said, you seemed to have made your mind up without intelligence
May Duppnaym on 6:05pm today
Iain wrote: Right, so a bloke who looks like someone who was involved in a firearms offence was arrested. As it was feared he may have a gun, armed police were involved. When the police were satisfied that he was not the man they were looking for they released him. Can anyone explain what the police did wrong, or why they would not be happy for a suspected gunman on their train to be similarly treated?
Well, they got the wrong guy for starters. And what happened to the man that the police should have arrested? Presumably, he was allowed to walz out the station while the officers were busy faffing about, scaring the living daylights out of an innocent man. To say, as some have, that he was a black man and therefore matched the description of "a black man" is not really good enough. If that was the only description of the suspect that the officers had to go on, then they seriously need to improve their intelligence.
So, you are assuming their intelligence didn't take into account;
He was possibly, the only black person on the train
He was not dressed similar.
His height was not similar.
The suspect did not have a similar rucksack.
Given a choice of your assumption towards the police intelligence, i think we can safely say you don't know.
That said, you seemed to have made your mind up without intelligence
Posted by: jimbob on 6:38pm Mon 7 Jul 08
i was there and my mate took the photo,never new it would cause so much hilarity,parachuting (superb), and the insane nonsense that gets spouted about the bloke being vindicated He fit the description of a wanted person,he was detained,he was released,he went home and now hes headline news.what more can you wish for on a saturday afternoon in bournemouth
i was there and my mate took the photo,never new it would cause so much hilarity,parachuting (superb), and the insane nonsense that gets spouted about the bloke being vindicated He fit the description of a wanted person,he was detained,he was released,he went home and now hes headline news.what more can you wish for on a saturday afternoon in bournemouth
Posted by: del boy trotter, peckham on 9:42pm Mon 7 Jul 08
[bold]what a load of plonkers the ole bill are ![/bold]
The person the police were really looking for was the person in basingstoke who makes the sandwiches for BRITISH RAIL , now thats the real criminal.
what a load of plonkers the ole bill are !
The person the police were really looking for was the person in basingstoke who makes the sandwiches for BRITISH RAIL , now thats the real criminal.
Posted by: Comedy of Errors, Southamton on 9:47pm Mon 7 Jul 08
Hilarious (the parachute comment, havent laughed so much in ages, nice) but i see yesterday people complaining that the police dont get allowed to do theyre job because of fear of perscution, and now they do something, its "He should sue the police". So which way do you want it people? Also to Daily Echo, are you ever going to employ journalists who can actually make a sentence or is Newsquest cutting back on wages?
Hilarious (the parachute comment, havent laughed so much in ages, nice) but i see yesterday people complaining that the police dont get allowed to do theyre job because of fear of perscution, and now they do something, its "He should sue the police". So which way do you want it people? Also to Daily Echo, are you ever going to employ journalists who can actually make a sentence or is Newsquest cutting back on wages?
Posted by: Ted, Southampton on 9:54pm Mon 7 Jul 08
I would rather have the police arrest the wrong man in their attempt to stop Mohammed the terrorist on his way with his appointment with the 72 virgins. Although getting the right one in the first place would be preferable.
I'm proud I live in free and civilised country where if you get arrested the worst that happens is the police moan at you. Can't say that about the muslim countries where if you get arrested there's a good chance you'll get slotted in the name of Allah!
I would rather have the police arrest the wrong man in their attempt to stop Mohammed the terrorist on his way with his appointment with the 72 virgins. Although getting the right one in the first place would be preferable.
I'm proud I live in free and civilised country where if you get arrested the worst that happens is the police moan at you. Can't say that about the muslim countries where if you get arrested there's a good chance you'll get slotted in the name of Allah!
Posted by: Bambi on 10:06pm Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Ted[/bold] wrote:
I would rather have the police arrest the wrong man in their attempt to stop Mohammed the terrorist on his way with his appointment with the 72 virgins. Although getting the right one in the first place would be preferable.
I'm proud I live in free and civilised country where if you get arrested the worst that happens is the police moan at you. Can't say that about the muslim countries where if you get arrested there's a good chance you'll get slotted in the name of Allah![/quote] Well, thanks for the jinogistic rant, but there's nothing at all in this story to suggest terrorism. It was an "armed incident", most likely a robbery
Hopefully they'll make leaping to the wrong conclusion an Olympic sport soon. You're sure to get a gold
Ted wrote:
I would rather have the police arrest the wrong man in their attempt to stop Mohammed the terrorist on his way with his appointment with the 72 virgins. Although getting the right one in the first place would be preferable.
I'm proud I live in free and civilised country where if you get arrested the worst that happens is the police moan at you. Can't say that about the muslim countries where if you get arrested there's a good chance you'll get slotted in the name of Allah!
Well, thanks for the jinogistic rant, but there's nothing at all in this story to suggest terrorism. It was an "armed incident", most likely a robbery
Hopefully they'll make leaping to the wrong conclusion an Olympic sport soon. You're sure to get a gold
Posted by: Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton on 10:14pm Mon 7 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Ted[/bold] wrote: I'm proud I live in free and civilised country where if you get arrested the worst that happens is the police moan at you.[/quote]
Yeah, you're happy for the old bill to arrest the wrong man until it happens to you, bro.
Sorry Ted, if you get arrested on terrorism charges in this country, the worst that happens is a month and a half in a cell. And you've got paranoid, right-wing security-freaks to thank for that.
And don't think that because you're white it can't happen to you. Terrorism takes many forms, not just Islamic extremism.
Ted wrote: I'm proud I live in free and civilised country where if you get arrested the worst that happens is the police moan at you.
Yeah, you're happy for the old bill to arrest the wrong man until it happens to you, bro.
Sorry Ted, if you get arrested on terrorism charges in this country, the worst that happens is a month and a half in a cell. And you've got paranoid, right-wing security-freaks to thank for that.
And don't think that because you're white it can't happen to you. Terrorism takes many forms, not just Islamic extremism.
Posted by: Owen Munny, Millbrook on 11:42pm Mon 7 Jul 08
you bunch of tossers
Its not about black/white
Its about who matches the description, and if you want to sleep at nights - accept that we will occassionally pull in the next best match,till we find the right one,
you bunch of tossers
Its not about black/white
Its about who matches the description, and if you want to sleep at nights - accept that we will occassionally pull in the next best match,till we find the right one,
Posted by: ????, OED on 11:50pm Mon 7 Jul 08
Hi Bambi, don't want to be a pedant, but just in case you've confused some people, I assume you mean jingoistic. That will give our "intellectual" readers a chance to check out what you mean. Good post.
Hi Bambi, don't want to be a pedant, but just in case you've confused some people, I assume you mean jingoistic. That will give our "intellectual" readers a chance to check out what you mean. Good post.
Posted by: King Mush, Woolston on 1:02am Tue 8 Jul 08
I'm rather late on this thread but think that everybody has made wrong judgements.
He was simply travelling without a valid ticket - you know what these train companies are like these days...
I'm rather late on this thread but think that everybody has made wrong judgements.
He was simply travelling without a valid ticket - you know what these train companies are like these days...
Posted by: Lowe and Behold, St Marys hotseat on 1:34am Tue 8 Jul 08
[quote][bold]King Mush[/bold] wrote:
I'm rather late on this thread but think that everybody has made wrong judgements. He was simply travelling without a valid ticket - you know what these train companies are like these days...[/quote] King Mush how are you sir....
Bleedin fair dodgers at it again
King Mush wrote:
I'm rather late on this thread but think that everybody has made wrong judgements. He was simply travelling without a valid ticket - you know what these train companies are like these days...
King Mush how are you sir....
Bleedin fair dodgers at it again
Posted by: Bob, Chilworth on 3:58am Tue 8 Jul 08
I'm just glad that Denzil hasn't written a comment.
I'm just glad that Denzil hasn't written a comment.
Posted by: Bambi on 8:35am Tue 8 Jul 08
[quote][bold]????[/bold] wrote:
Hi Bambi, don't want to be a pedant, but just in case you've confused some people, I assume you mean jingoistic. That will give our "intellectual" readers a chance to check out what you mean. Good post.[/quote] Yep, that's exactly what I meant. Sorry for the typo, cheers
???? wrote:
Hi Bambi, don't want to be a pedant, but just in case you've confused some people, I assume you mean jingoistic. That will give our "intellectual" readers a chance to check out what you mean. Good post.
Yep, that's exactly what I meant. Sorry for the typo, cheers
Posted by: Alan, South Ham on 10:59am Tue 8 Jul 08
Thanks all for turning something that could have been very serious into the best laugh I have had all week!
I would ask don't any of you fancy trying out for Big Brother the wit and humour would certainly be a change from the mindless, witless morons currently featured on the old haunted fish tank
Thanks all for turning something that could have been very serious into the best laugh I have had all week!
I would ask don't any of you fancy trying out for Big Brother the wit and humour would certainly be a change from the mindless, witless morons currently featured on the old haunted fish tank
Posted by: les on 2:12pm Tue 8 Jul 08
According to the BBC site today they claim the police have given a full apology to the man in question and his family in addition to offering counselling services for this traumatic event, which I can assure you it is. I think the polce are making good on their error an “excellent el dante idea” considering today’s security threats in the times we live in .
According to the BBC site today they claim the police have given a full apology to the man in question and his family in addition to offering counselling services for this traumatic event, which I can assure you it is. I think the polce are making good on their error an “excellent el dante idea” considering today’s security threats in the times we live in .
Posted by: The Watchman, The Ether on 3:20pm Tue 8 Jul 08
[quote][bold]haha man[/bold] wrote:
What a bunch of clowns. I hope this guy sues the police for the distress they've caused innocent black guy. Poor man, victim of the times and the system.[/quote] Great! and take yet more money out of the working persons pocket!
besides that, public services don't have enough money as it is and you want to recommend that a member of the public take more of it away?
How is that going to help police training, manpower, etc and help make our streets safer?
Think about it!
haha man wrote:
What a bunch of clowns. I hope this guy sues the police for the distress they've caused innocent black guy. Poor man, victim of the times and the system.
Great! and take yet more money out of the working persons pocket!
besides that, public services don't have enough money as it is and you want to recommend that a member of the public take more of it away?
How is that going to help police training, manpower, etc and help make our streets safer?
Think about it!
Posted by: May Duppnaym on 5:01pm Tue 8 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Toe jam[/bold] wrote:
[quote]May Duppnaym on 6:05pm today [quote][bold]Iain[/bold] wrote: Right, so a bloke who looks like someone who was involved in a firearms offence was arrested. As it was feared he may have a gun, armed police were involved. When the police were satisfied that he was not the man they were looking for they released him. Can anyone explain what the police did wrong, or why they would not be happy for a suspected gunman on their train to be similarly treated?[/quote] Well, they got the wrong guy for starters. And what happened to the man that the police should have arrested? Presumably, he was allowed to walz out the station while the officers were busy faffing about, scaring the living daylights out of an innocent man. To say, as some have, that he was a black man and therefore matched the description of \"a black man\" is not really good enough. If that was the only description of the suspect that the officers had to go on, then they seriously need to improve their intelligence. [/quote] So, you are assuming their intelligence didn\'t take into account; He was possibly, the only black person on the train He was not dressed similar. His height was not similar. The suspect did not have a similar rucksack. Given a choice of your assumption towards the police intelligence, i think we can safely say you don\'t know. That said, you seemed to have made your mind up without intelligence[/quote] If he was the only black person on the train, then where was the man they should have been arresting? Are you suggesting the police didn't even have the correct train? I did at least assume they had got that bit right.
As for you other points, that's exactly what I was getting at. I would hope that the police's description was more comprehensive than just "a black man" and did include details such as height, build, clothing etc. (I'll brush aside your dig at my intelligence and put it down to your inability to read or lack of comprehension.) Assuming the police did have a detailed description of the man they were after, then how come only the innocent man matched that description? Did the wanted man not look like himself? Was he able to slip out unseen while the police pinned the other guy to the ground? Or did they indeed have the wrong train?
Toe jam wrote:
May Duppnaym on 6:05pm today Iain wrote: Right, so a bloke who looks like someone who was involved in a firearms offence was arrested. As it was feared he may have a gun, armed police were involved. When the police were satisfied that he was not the man they were looking for they released him. Can anyone explain what the police did wrong, or why they would not be happy for a suspected gunman on their train to be similarly treated?
Well, they got the wrong guy for starters. And what happened to the man that the police should have arrested? Presumably, he was allowed to walz out the station while the officers were busy faffing about, scaring the living daylights out of an innocent man. To say, as some have, that he was a black man and therefore matched the description of \"a black man\" is not really good enough. If that was the only description of the suspect that the officers had to go on, then they seriously need to improve their intelligence.
So, you are assuming their intelligence didn\'t take into account; He was possibly, the only black person on the train He was not dressed similar. His height was not similar. The suspect did not have a similar rucksack. Given a choice of your assumption towards the police intelligence, i think we can safely say you don\'t know. That said, you seemed to have made your mind up without intelligence
If he was the only black person on the train, then where was the man they should have been arresting? Are you suggesting the police didn't even have the correct train? I did at least assume they had got that bit right.
As for you other points, that's exactly what I was getting at. I would hope that the police's description was more comprehensive than just "a black man" and did include details such as height, build, clothing etc. (I'll brush aside your dig at my intelligence and put it down to your inability to read or lack of comprehension.) Assuming the police did have a detailed description of the man they were after, then how come only the innocent man matched that description? Did the wanted man not look like himself? Was he able to slip out unseen while the police pinned the other guy to the ground? Or did they indeed have the wrong train?
Posted by: Toe jam on 5:28pm Tue 8 Jul 08
[quote]Assuming the police did have a detailed description of the man they were after, then how come only the innocent man matched that description? Did the wanted man not look like himself? Was he able to slip out unseen while the police pinned the other guy to the ground? Or did they indeed have the wrong train?[/quote]
That is something you do not know.
Words like "presumably", show that your initial post was PRESUMPTION, and "assuming" shows you are now basing it on ASSUMPTION.
As for intelligence, this site is full of presumption and assumption, swiftly followed by a knock of the police.
Assuming the police did have a detailed description of the man they were after, then how come only the innocent man matched that description? Did the wanted man not look like himself? Was he able to slip out unseen while the police pinned the other guy to the ground? Or did they indeed have the wrong train?
That is something you do not know.
Words like "presumably", show that your initial post was PRESUMPTION, and "assuming" shows you are now basing it on ASSUMPTION.
As for intelligence, this site is full of presumption and assumption, swiftly followed by a knock of the police.
Posted by: King Mush, Woolston on 7:52pm Tue 8 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Lowe and Behold[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]King Mush[/bold] wrote: I'm rather late on this thread but think that everybody has made wrong judgements. He was simply travelling without a valid ticket - you know what these train companies are like these days...[/quote] King Mush how are you sir.... Bleedin fair dodgers at it again[/quote] I'm very well dear boy! Thank you for asking.
I didn't know that there was a fair on the Common?
Lowe and Behold wrote:
King Mush wrote: I'm rather late on this thread but think that everybody has made wrong judgements. He was simply travelling without a valid ticket - you know what these train companies are like these days...
King Mush how are you sir.... Bleedin fair dodgers at it again
I'm very well dear boy! Thank you for asking.
I didn't know that there was a fair on the Common?
Posted by: King Mush, Woolston on 7:55pm Tue 8 Jul 08
What if.......the guy had turned out be an armed robber fleeing the crime scene?
What if......the guy was a suicide bomber?
You'd all be thinking differently and spouting in other directions.
Cops? No-win situation.
The tragic Brazilian incident will also be trotted out by the lazy cliche-merchants, despite the high
What if.......the guy had turned out be an armed robber fleeing the crime scene?
What if......the guy was a suicide bomber?
You'd all be thinking differently and spouting in other directions.
Cops? No-win situation.
The tragic Brazilian incident will also be trotted out by the lazy cliche-merchants, despite the high
Posted by: Darrell, Marble Arch on 8:37pm Tue 8 Jul 08
Anyone who's been arrested or had to deal with the Police knows they aren't the brightest bulbs in the box. If you're paying for a service, you should be able to criticize it, right?? And how did this topic go from Police error to unacceptable digs at Muslims. No wonder why, Blacks n Muslims are so ticked off (and don't tell them to eff of somewhere else).
Anyone who's been arrested or had to deal with the Police knows they aren't the brightest bulbs in the box. If you're paying for a service, you should be able to criticize it, right?? And how did this topic go from Police error to unacceptable digs at Muslims. No wonder why, Blacks n Muslims are so ticked off (and don't tell them to eff of somewhere else).
Posted by: Toe jam on 8:06am Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote]Darrell, Marble Arch on 8:37pm Tue 8 Jul 08
Anyone who's been arrested or had to deal with the Police knows they aren't the brightest bulbs in the box. If you're paying for a service, you should be able to criticize it, right?? And how did this topic go from Police error to unacceptable digs at Muslims. No wonder why, Blacks n Muslims are so ticked off (and don't tell them to eff of somewhere else).
Anyone who's been arrested or had to deal with the Police knows they aren't the brightest bulbs in the box. If you're paying for a service, you should be able to criticize it, right?? And how did this topic go from Police error to unacceptable digs at Muslims. No wonder why, Blacks n Muslims are so ticked off (and don't tell them to eff of somewhere else).[/quote]
Because everyone knows there is a neverending threat to OUR security because of muslims. FACT. So anyone whether white, black or asian (in this case white) on a tube or train station, being arrested, (WHICH mUSLIMS BLEW UP), would raise the that question. If it doesn't, we would be as ignorant towards our security, as you are towards pathetic pursuits of "racial aggression".
As for paying for the service, the fact you want to critisize is acceptable, the point is though, unless you have the FACTS - which you don't - your criticism is worthless. As for blacks and muslims being ticked off, any minority or majority group that plays being a "victim" for support, deserves nothing less than being a victim, because that's what they want, whether it's a muslim constantly looking for MORE mosques MORE handouts MORE acceptance in a society (which is the same society they don't accept). Blacks looking for their colour as an excuse for lack of good jobs, or whites thinking being white gives them a right over everything, because they are white. Well tough, we have to work together to make this country work.
Sadly, there is a certain community that wants it all for itself, and will bomb and terrorise to get it.
It's strange you mentioned blacks and muslims, why didn't you mention seeks and hindus? The reason maybe, is you either are a mUSLIM, or a black and possibly a criminal.
What ever you are, you are certainly playing victim.
Darrell, Marble Arch on 8:37pm Tue 8 Jul 08
Anyone who's been arrested or had to deal with the Police knows they aren't the brightest bulbs in the box. If you're paying for a service, you should be able to criticize it, right?? And how did this topic go from Police error to unacceptable digs at Muslims. No wonder why, Blacks n Muslims are so ticked off (and don't tell them to eff of somewhere else).
Anyone who's been arrested or had to deal with the Police knows they aren't the brightest bulbs in the box. If you're paying for a service, you should be able to criticize it, right?? And how did this topic go from Police error to unacceptable digs at Muslims. No wonder why, Blacks n Muslims are so ticked off (and don't tell them to eff of somewhere else).
Because everyone knows there is a neverending threat to OUR security because of muslims. FACT. So anyone whether white, black or asian (in this case white) on a tube or train station, being arrested, (WHICH mUSLIMS BLEW UP), would raise the that question. If it doesn't, we would be as ignorant towards our security, as you are towards pathetic pursuits of "racial aggression".
As for paying for the service, the fact you want to critisize is acceptable, the point is though, unless you have the FACTS - which you don't - your criticism is worthless. As for blacks and muslims being ticked off, any minority or majority group that plays being a "victim" for support, deserves nothing less than being a victim, because that's what they want, whether it's a muslim constantly looking for MORE mosques MORE handouts MORE acceptance in a society (which is the same society they don't accept). Blacks looking for their colour as an excuse for lack of good jobs, or whites thinking being white gives them a right over everything, because they are white. Well tough, we have to work together to make this country work.
Sadly, there is a certain community that wants it all for itself, and will bomb and terrorise to get it.
It's strange you mentioned blacks and muslims, why didn't you mention seeks and hindus? The reason maybe, is you either are a mUSLIM, or a black and possibly a criminal.
What ever you are, you are certainly playing victim.
Posted by: Toe jam on 8:09am Wed 9 Jul 08
correction, i meant black.
correction, i meant black.
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