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Children ‘risk lives’ by halting air ambulance
2:11pm Thursday 7th August 2008
Comments (92)
By Jenny Makin »
CHILDREN are putting lives at risk by refusing to get out of the way as Hampshire's air ambulance tries to land at Southampton with critically ill patients on board.
Pilots and paramedics have been sworn at by youngsters when they have been asked to move and have been met with cocky responses like: "Are you going to make us?"
Some landings have been delayed by up to half an hour while people on the ground, including paramedics in waiting ambulances, battle to clear the area andmake it safe.
Take-off is also being hindered by youngsters refusing to move a safe distance from the spinning rotors.
Air ambulance bosses have warned lives could be lost - and urged youngsters to think about the critically ill people on board first.
If the problem continues helicopter chiefs say they could be forced to pull out of the site altogether and find somewhere else.
But doing so would create a logistical nightmare for paramedics who need to have a helipad as close to the hospital as possible to get patients critical care quickly.
The dangerous situation has occurred numerous times at the Lordshill Recreation Ground in Southampton, known locally as Five Acres.
Pilots have reported the problems at weekends, during school holidays and since the start of the summer break.
Merrick Forsyth, director of flight operations for Bond Air Services, which supplies pilots to fly the aircraft, said: "It's happened several times recently and it is a small minority of kids who clearly think it's hilariously funny. There have been a number of occasions on weekends and in the holidays mainly and it tends to start with one kid and the others latch on. It presents us with real problems.
We use Lordshill when we have a critically ill patient who needs to get to hospital quickly as this is the nearest landing area.
"However, if it is not safe to land we won't - but that might well compromise the patient.
"Spending half an hour getting kids out of the way delays the response to the person most in need."
South Central Ambulance Service medical director Charles Deakin, who fought for six years to get an air ambulance for Hampshire, added: "When the helicopter lands, every second counts for the ill person on board."
Hampshire police said they had received no reports of problems but would try to help.
- See today's Daily Echo for the full story
Your Say YourEcho
The Star Chamber, says...
9:08am Thu 7 Aug 08
gorf wrote:They had the opportunity to place one on top of the new cardio suite but didn't. Now they plan to place it atop of the new childrens block - but that is a staged process and could take a decade to complete.
why dont they build a heli-pad at the southampton general hospital??
Ric, Totton says...
9:15am Thu 7 Aug 08
martin, shirley says...
9:33am Thu 7 Aug 08
Harsh, but Fair says...
9:43am Thu 7 Aug 08
If they don't, they don't.
pikey, new forest says...
9:45am Thu 7 Aug 08
Fred, says...
9:48am Thu 7 Aug 08
martin wrote:Your suggestion is by far the most sensible. But it wasn't mentioned as a possibility at Hackett's recent management love-in.
Maby they should knock down the waste of space 1 story car park at the general and build a proper 5 story car park instead, giving free parking to disabled drivers, free parking to hospital staff, and a heli-pad on the top floor. but that would be sensible and far to obvious .
Harsh, but Fair says...
10:03am Thu 7 Aug 08
Oops, says...
10:04am Thu 7 Aug 08
Harsh wrote:Only for a split second before they crash....
Can helicopters hover upside down?
Creature Void of Form, says...
10:12am Thu 7 Aug 08
Harsh wrote:have you seen the film 28 Weeks Later?...there is a good use of a helicopter which would be appropriate in this instance.
Can helicopters hover upside down?
helhod, Tenerife says...
10:16am Thu 7 Aug 08
They should not be allowed to get away with this the scum bags ....
Chris Chapman, West End says...
10:34am Thu 7 Aug 08
gorf wrote:Because they'd have to pay £1.70 an hour to park it there.... extortion in the extreme, you can park in the Centre of Winchester for 70p per hour less....
why dont they build a heli-pad at the southampton general hospital??
simplistic, soton says...
10:41am Thu 7 Aug 08
ha ha ha, says...
10:44am Thu 7 Aug 08
Chris Chapman wrote:so what do you suggest? Land in the centre of Winchester and then take them by ambulance to the General??????????
gorf wrote: why dont they build a heli-pad at the southampton general hospital??Because they'd have to pay £1.70 an hour to park it there.... extortion in the extreme, you can park in the Centre of Winchester for 70p per hour less....
stewie, says...
10:44am Thu 7 Aug 08
clair, Soton transport and air says...
11:08am Thu 7 Aug 08
clair
Future MP, Chav Free Zone says...
11:14am Thu 7 Aug 08
clair wrote:Ooops sorry...
On reading the above I can vouch for the rest of the country why there are so many drop-outs and the governing sector feel they are top of the pile of thicko's. Take off your masks of brain drains and start to think how serious this is all becoming - we need your constructive ideas not your 'no hoper ideas'. clair
Simple really - fence off the area where the heli needs to land, with CCTV attached nearby to catch the little loves on camera.
Identify them, find their parent(s), fine them or stop the parent's benefits.
That should sort the issue - don't rely on the police, how can they charge a 14yr old Chav anyway?
Bambi, says...
11:30am Thu 7 Aug 08
Oops wrote:Rubbish
Harsh wrote:Only for a split second before they crash....
Can helicopters hover upside down?
Dave, Southampton says...
11:37am Thu 7 Aug 08
Future MP wrote:Fire service are usually there when the helicopter arrives why don't they use their water jets to disperse the idiots
clair wrote: On reading the above I can vouch for the rest of the country why there are so many drop-outs and the governing sector feel they are top of the pile of thicko's. Take off your masks of brain drains and start to think how serious this is all becoming - we need your constructive ideas not your 'no hoper ideas'. clairOoops sorry... Simple really - fence off the area where the heli needs to land, with CCTV attached nearby to catch the little loves on camera. Identify them, find their parent(s), fine them or stop the parent's benefits. That should sort the issue - don't rely on the police, how can they charge a 14yr old Chav anyway?
Future MP, Chav Free Zone says...
11:52am Thu 7 Aug 08
Dave wrote:That would only encourage them Dave...
Future MP wrote:Fire service are usually there when the helicopter arrives why don't they use their water jets to disperse the idiotsclair wrote: On reading the above I can vouch for the rest of the country why there are so many drop-outs and the governing sector feel they are top of the pile of thicko's. Take off your masks of brain drains and start to think how serious this is all becoming - we need your constructive ideas not your 'no hoper ideas'. clairOoops sorry... Simple really - fence off the area where the heli needs to land, with CCTV attached nearby to catch the little loves on camera. Identify them, find their parent(s), fine them or stop the parent's benefits. That should sort the issue - don't rely on the police, how can they charge a 14yr old Chav anyway?
Probably the first wash most of them would get for a while....
BTW, I thought all occupiers of Lordshill were stuck to the tarmac at the moment?
Bob Flemmin, Southampton says...
11:53am Thu 7 Aug 08
During quiet times it could patrol Lordshill, Millbrook and Thornhill, eliminating the chav scum
Reno Ricky, Nevada says...
11:59am Thu 7 Aug 08
It will save the country some dole money in a few years!
Oops, says...
12:58pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Bambi wrote:I was joking.
Oops wrote:RubbishHarsh wrote: Can helicopters hover upside down?Only for a split second before they crash....
Glad you have a sense of humour.
the vengeful cabbage, says...
1:11pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Andy pandy, Shirley says...
1:43pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Surely as air ambulance was introduced some time ago thought should of been put in place as to the best place as to where it is to land, coupled with the increasing desire for all to drive cars .. the obvious place has to be in the hospital grounds, as stated before, the car park is far too small and too low, so extend up top floor to make a heliport. This needs to be done, so get on with it, you can charge the disabled too that would pay for it ! In the mean time over the road there is a lot of open green space called Holybrook cemy! Now come on surely there is enough space there to land?
And while were thinking of improving things Coxford Road crosses the M27 at Chilworth, it's a private Road, why is this not an Ambulance access road to the M27? to save the long slow rush though congested Roads? while were about it, clear Shirley high street of clutter too, and let all traffic flow!
Seeing an ambulance try and drive up here is unpleasant as drivers cant get out of the way due to the clutter.
Dean, Chilworth says...
2:01pm Thu 7 Aug 08
They seem to get constant abuse and have to act as secondary Police officers these days.
What a country we live in.
Derry, west hampshire says...
2:02pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Harsh wrote:I agree, however close the playing field except for scheduled events. Then police it with dog handlers.
Just land, they will soon move. If they don't, they don't.
ydkjs2, USA says...
2:06pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Iain, Lordshill says...
2:06pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Dean, Chilworth says...
2:13pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Iain wrote:Agreed.
Nice to see how highly regarded my area is. Don't judge someone on the area they live in. I mean, you'd expect people from Chilworth to be posh and well educated. And then you read Denzil's comments...
Im ex Lordswood, made some money and moved to Chilworth.
The question is why did I move?
Is it because its getting worse and worse with the thugs getting worse each generation.
Bob Flemmin, Southampton says...
2:24pm Thu 7 Aug 08
ydkjs2 wrote:Police are busy doing paper work and speed checks
I have lived out of the country for many years so please excuse my ignorance on some aspects of life in Southampton in the year 2008. I read the Echo every morning but I find the news articles more depressing every day and so I am considering stopping this ritual. But, I feel I must comment on this article. How old are these 'children'? Surely there must be at least one responsible person around to put an end to their criminal behavior? I do not understand why the police cannot be there when a helicopter is coming in to land to arrest the little thugs. How about then they could either require the parents and/or the miscreants work (no pay of course) in the morgue to see what happens when they deliberatly withold urgent medical care. Finally, what is a "chav" and what is "tombstoning"?
Derry, west hampshire says...
2:40pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Furthermore on identification due process would end up with these idiots given exclusion orders which would mean arrest if they go near the playing field.
pigs in blankets, so there says...
2:41pm Thu 7 Aug 08
martin wrote:guess you're disabled then.
Maby they should knock down the waste of space 1 story car park at the general and build a proper 5 story car park instead, giving free parking to disabled drivers, free parking to hospital staff, and a heli-pad on the top floor. but that would be sensible and far to obvious .
I personally would like free parking for mums under 35
Mmmmmm, winch says...
2:42pm Thu 7 Aug 08
wrigleys extra, chewing time says...
2:54pm Thu 7 Aug 08
the vengeful cabbage wrote:i agree
what they should do is hover the air ambulance over the field then whilst the chavs are distracted throwing sticks at it just run them over in a normal ambulance.
those days, in these days says...
2:58pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Dean wrote:i dont know what are these days coming to
Why on earth would anybody want to be a paramedic these days? They seem to get constant abuse and have to act as secondary Police officers these days. What a country we live in.
Thornhill mandem, TPA THORHILL says...
3:33pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Mmmmmm wrote:Blud dnt eva get me twisted wit da lead from da muddafrikkin shed, u end up dead
yes of course you are........
ydkjs2, USA says...
3:41pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Bill wrote:Thank you.
ydkjs2 wrote: I have lived out of the country for many years so please excuse my ignorance on some aspects of life in Southampton in the year 2008. I read the Echo every morning but I find the news articles more depressing every day and so I am considering stopping this ritual. But, I feel I must comment on this article. How old are these 'children'? Surely there must be at least one responsible person around to put an end to their criminal behavior? I do not understand why the police cannot be there when a helicopter is coming in to land to arrest the little thugs. How about then they could either require the parents and/or the miscreants work (no pay of course) in the morgue to see what happens when they deliberatly withold urgent medical care. Finally, what is a "chav" and what is "tombstoning"?CHAV is C ouncil H ouse A dolescent V ermin. Tombstoning is the same as cannon-balling, jumping fro a height into water, making a big splash.
Roy S, Southampton says...
3:43pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Lynne, Chandlers Ford says...
3:47pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Mmmmmmm, winch says...
3:51pm Thu 7 Aug 08
P.s Thanks for the comment Bambi
me, says...
3:54pm Thu 7 Aug 08
St. Ray, St. Elsewhere says...
4:09pm Thu 7 Aug 08
The Star Chamber wrote:Better still, bring in an Apache gunship mto wipe out the scumbag filth from the Lordswood/Lordshill area. Save a fortune on benefit payouts & reduce the number of ASBO's in one fell swoop
Place a sniper on the chopper to shoot the scum. Job done. Or is this just warming us up to placing the new helipad on top of the new childrens block at the General?
Rock and roll, says...
4:15pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Lynne, Chandlers Ford on 3:47pm today
Without even reading as far as to find out what area it was in that the the Air Ambulance was having trouble landing at i kind of guessed and 'yes' how right was my guess. Only low-life from the areas of Lordshill, Millbrook & Redbridge could be caught up in something like this. My mind boggle's as to what's going to be the next Headline from these areas. Trouble is now there is so much trash in this country from kids having kids and couldn't care how their brought up that it's so much out of hand i don't think anyone can put it right. No wonder more people emigrated last year than any other year. Unfortunately it will eventually be all the descent folk going and we're be left with all the trash of society. What a future i hope that maybe i won't be around here by that time either. Agree with the other too just let the Helicopter land and sod who's in the way.
Another clear minded woman, fed up with the trash that has destroyed her society.
No excuses for the parents, no blaming the teachers, no blaming anyone but the kids that have kids.
Spot on!
Rock and roll, says...
4:18pm Thu 7 Aug 08
sputnik, soton says...
4:53pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Rock and roll wrote:I started off this rock and troll by imagining what type of person you are. from the vile responses i must have been right. my children grew up with good values as do 99% of kids no matter where they live. It is people like you i worry about and thank christ you do not have a family. stick to staying and watching cops on camera etc. and try not to repeat the language you hear on such programmes.
Oh, I just hid behind the Internet and it was easy. Just like youOuch again!! You are a real hard nut to crack. Your wit and sharp words are too much. I give up!!!
Laura Baker, Southampton says...
5:30pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Lynne, C/Ford says...
5:39pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Rock and roll wrote:There are many of us out here that feel the same. I'm afraid we all have one, two, three and so on families living somewhere within our community. Unfortuantely Millbrook etc have more than else where. As long as the kids are not under their parents feet the parents couldn't care less where they are let alone what their doing. As long as there all happy claiming their benefits (most of that fraud) smoking their pot and drinking their booze thentheir in there own little happy lazy world. To hell with the rest of us out there working and paying our taxes to keep them in comfort Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Lynne, Chandlers Ford on 3:47pm today Without even reading as far as to find out what area it was in that the the Air Ambulance was having trouble landing at i kind of guessed and 'yes' how right was my guess. Only low-life from the areas of Lordshill, Millbrook & Redbridge could be caught up in something like this. My mind boggle's as to what's going to be the next Headline from these areas. Trouble is now there is so much trash in this country from kids having kids and couldn't care how their brought up that it's so much out of hand i don't think anyone can put it right. No wonder more people emigrated last year than any other year. Unfortunately it will eventually be all the descent folk going and we're be left with all the trash of society. What a future i hope that maybe i won't be around here by that time either. Agree with the other too just let the Helicopter land and sod who's in the way.Another clear minded woman, fed up with the trash that has destroyed her society. No excuses for the parents, no blaming the teachers, no blaming anyone but the kids that have kids. Spot on!
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c, says...
6:21pm Thu 7 Aug 08
sotonian, southampton says...
6:38pm Thu 7 Aug 08
ydkjs2 wrote:you aren't Finlay from Iowa using a pseodonym are you?
I have lived out of the country for many years so please excuse my ignorance on some aspects of life in Southampton in the year 2008. I read the Echo every morning but I find the news articles more depressing every day and so I am considering stopping this ritual. But, I feel I must comment on this article. How old are these 'children'? Surely there must be at least one responsible person around to put an end to their criminal behavior? I do not understand why the police cannot be there when a helicopter is coming in to land to arrest the little thugs. How about then they could either require the parents and/or the miscreants work (no pay of course) in the morgue to see what happens when they deliberatly withold urgent medical care. Finally, what is a "chav" and what is "tombstoning"?
kenneth, says...
7:15pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Rock and roll wrote:Yeh it takes real guts to continually post your opinions anonymously on the Internet, doesn't it
Lynne, C/Ford on 5:39pm today
Rock and roll wrote:There are many of us out here that feel the same. I'm afraid we all have one, two, three and so on families living somewhere within our community. Unfortuantely Millbrook etc have more than else where. As long as the kids are not under their parents feet the parents couldn't care less where they are let alone what their doing. As long as there all happy claiming their benefits (most of that fraud) smoking their pot and drinking their booze thentheir in there own little happy lazy world. To hell with the rest of us out there working and paying our taxes to keep them in comfort Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhLynne, Chandlers Ford on 3:47pm today Without even reading as far as to find out what area it was in that the the Air Ambulance was having trouble landing at i kind of guessed and 'yes' how right was my guess. Only low-life from the areas of Lordshill, Millbrook & Redbridge could be caught up in something like this. My mind boggle's as to what's going to be the next Headline from these areas. Trouble is now there is so much trash in this country from kids having kids and couldn't care how their brought up that it's so much out of hand i don't think anyone can put it right. No wonder more people emigrated last year than any other year. Unfortunately it will eventually be all the descent folk going and we're be left with all the trash of society. What a future i hope that maybe i won't be around here by that time either. Agree with the other too just let the Helicopter land and sod who's in the way.Another clear minded woman, fed up with the trash that has destroyed her society. No excuses for the parents, no blaming the teachers, no blaming anyone but the kids that have kids. Spot on!
Sublime.
A real woman, with more guts than most of the so called men on this site, who look for excuses for the lowlife vermin infesting our lives.
PAUL B, says...
7:33pm Thu 7 Aug 08
James, Southampton says...
7:55pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Ooops sorry...
Simple really - fence off the area where the heli needs to land, with CCTV attached nearby to catch the little loves on camera.
Identify them, find their parent(s), fine them or stop the parent's benefits.
That should sort the issue - don't rely on the police, how can they charge a 14yr old Chav anyway?
Surly if the ill Patient dies its manslaughter on part of the Group of youths as it is important for the Helicopter land and every moment counts, If the helicopter is delayed 30 minutes then its not the Ambulance crews fault.
Sorry if that doesnt make any sense!
Patron, Soton says...
8:14pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Rock and roll, says...
8:17pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Lynne, C/Ford says...
8:38pm Thu 7 Aug 08
c, says...
8:38pm Thu 7 Aug 08
kenneth wrote:Kenneth dont bother with this troll, he is a nasty piece of work believe me he is the scum of the earth, dont entertain him.
Rock and roll wrote:Another genius who thinks he can tell something about someone from a couple of posts on the Internet. Just what the world needs. Ever heard of projection? You sure do it a lot. Go get laid, for the sake of your health, you angry little man
kenneth on 7:15pm today
Rock and roll wrote:Yeh it takes real guts to continually post your opinions anonymously on the Internet, doesn't itLynne, C/Ford on 5:39pm todaySublime. A real woman, with more guts than most of the so called men on this site, who look for excuses for the lowlife vermin infesting our lives.Rock and roll wrote:There are many of us out here that feel the same. I'm afraid we all have one, two, three and so on families living somewhere within our community. Unfortuantely Millbrook etc have more than else where. As long as the kids are not under their parents feet the parents couldn't care less where they are let alone what their doing. As long as there all happy claiming their benefits (most of that fraud) smoking their pot and drinking their booze thentheir in there own little happy lazy world. To hell with the rest of us out there working and paying our taxes to keep them in comfort Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhLynne, Chandlers Ford on 3:47pm today Without even reading as far as to find out what area it was in that the the Air Ambulance was having trouble landing at i kind of guessed and 'yes' how right was my guess. Only low-life from the areas of Lordshill, Millbrook & Redbridge could be caught up in something like this. My mind boggle's as to what's going to be the next Headline from these areas. Trouble is now there is so much trash in this country from kids having kids and couldn't care how their brought up that it's so much out of hand i don't think anyone can put it right. No wonder more people emigrated last year than any other year. Unfortunately it will eventually be all the descent folk going and we're be left with all the trash of society. What a future i hope that maybe i won't be around here by that time either. Agree with the other too just let the Helicopter land and sod who's in the way.Another clear minded woman, fed up with the trash that has destroyed her society. No excuses for the parents, no blaming the teachers, no blaming anyone but the kids that have kids. Spot on!
Ooooh, i think we've hit kenny the ****'s problem.
He struggles to cope with women that are stronger willed than him.
Get over it sunshine. There are women out there, that have been dealing with limp dicks like you for years.
Just remember this, if you think for one second, appeasing the young filth that infect the ghettos of this town, holds any weight with REAL women that have the gumption to stand up to them, you may aswell go home and lock the door of your hen-pecked existence and lose the key.
c, says...
8:44pm Thu 7 Aug 08
kenneth, says...
8:44pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Lynne wrote:
How you have the nerve (Kenneth) to call him an angry little man. Open your eyes or wipe the crap from them and your mouth at the same time. Look at the likes of who you defend then again like you sa
gorf, soton says...
9:06am Thu 7 Aug 08