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Cunard to come home to city port
7:27am Thursday 14th August 2008
Comments (92)
By Keith Hamilton »
CUNARD, one of the most prestigious names in British shipping, is sailing back home to Southampton after a gap of ten years when its ships were controlled from America.
The company's famous golden lion flag will fly over Southampton once more as Cunard brings together all of its many different departments and operations under one roof.
Although the move creates only a handful of jobs, the return of one of the city's proudest business names is an historic moment.
One of the first major undertakings to be managed by Cunard in Southampton will be the construction of its brand new vessel, Queen Elizabeth, which will enter service in the port during the autumn of 2010.
In May 1998, Cunard was acquired by the world's largest cruising empire, the Florida-based Carnival Corporation and the day-to-day running of the shipping line was switched from Southampton to Miami. Then, six years later, Cunard operations were moved to Los Angeles.
Up until last December, Cunard's global business was overseen by the offices in California but towards the end of 2007 it was decided that the shipping line should return to Southampton, the city that has been the company's main centre of maritime operations since the 1930s.
Peter Shanks, chief commercial officer for Carnival in the UK, said: "During the naming ceremony for Queen Mary 2 we told the people of Southampton that this was their ship and now we will also be able to say, to the port and city, that Cunard is your company.
"Over the past months we have been drawing together all the aspects of the Cunard operation and now all that remains for us to do is to put the finishing touches to the department that looks after the hotel operations on our ships,'' said Mr Shanks.
"At the beginning of next month everything should be in place and Cunard will be back home again.'' The change, underlining Cunard's most British of credentials, comes as Carnival UK prepares to occupy the purpose-built corporate headquarters now rising on Southampton's skyline at West Quay Road, just a short distance from the port.
Work is also gathering pace in the Eastern Docks where Associated British Ports is investing £10m in the construction of the city's fourth cruise passenger terminal that will be used by Carnival brands such as Cunard, P&O Cruises, and Princess Cruises.
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ossiesaint, at the bar says...
8:34am Thu 14 Aug 08
Gordy H, Southampton says...
8:44am Thu 14 Aug 08
ossiesaint wrote:Yep, why not build a super terminal at Dibden Bay and release the land for the current mish-mash back to containers? Simple really but not sure those in the docks think like that!
I always feel Southampton has missed the boat whilst trying to exploit the cruise market! Surely 5 years ago we should have built some \"super dooper\" terminal!!!!!
cruise expert, on board says...
11:08am Thu 14 Aug 08
THE BRICK wrote:Point of detail it is the newer Royal Caribbean ships that have Ice rinks. Too small for hockey I'm afraid!!
Aha, as some Carnival cruise ship have onboard ice rinks, maybe the Vikings can use one to play home matches on. that would be different and we can the the arena, The Viking Long Ship. Lets start a new campaign!!
cruise expert, on board says...
11:31am Thu 14 Aug 08
Gordy H wrote:Relevant points. However nowadays Cruise Companies want the ship to be the focal point not the Terminal.
ossiesaint wrote: I always feel Southampton has missed the boat whilst trying to exploit the cruise market! Surely 5 years ago we should have built some \"super dooper\" terminal!!!!!Yep, why not build a super terminal at Dibden Bay and release the land for the current mish-mash back to containers? Simple really but not sure those in the docks think like that!
Cruise Companies have a lot of influence on terminal provision as the likes of Carnival/RCL pay for the construction/refurb within their commercial rate structure.
Terminals need to be clean and tidy and able to transfer up to 8,000 people and probably 16,000 pieces of baggage within an 8 hr turnround, not architecturally stimulating.
Unfortunately grandiose Terminal design does not register on the Cruise Companies scale of priorities unless there is the possibility of external grant aid as is the case in some foreign ports.
Whilst cruise revenue is important to ports (and possibly even more so to local businesses)container
s, comparatively, contribute more to port revenue. That is why expansion of the container business ranks so highly in ports throughout the world.
Also from the cruise company perspective, the proximity of the existing cruise terminals to the motorway/rail and air connections is better in Soton that it would be at Dibden.
Finally having invested upwards of £50m on new/refurbed cruise facilities in Soton in recent years, any move to Dibden (and the Nimbys would still be against development) would not make commercial sense.
southy, redbridge says...
11:53am Thu 14 Aug 08
northy, baddesley says...
12:07pm Thu 14 Aug 08
No doubt Southey would rejoice if Cunard moved back to their original Liverpool HQ so he can run Soton down in his normal inimitable fashion
southy, redbridge says...
12:16pm Thu 14 Aug 08
southy, redbridge says...
12:25pm Thu 14 Aug 08
Dan, says...
1:13pm Thu 14 Aug 08
Teacher, says...
1:21pm Thu 14 Aug 08
Dan wrote:Even if he replies you will have to wonder what he has written. No doubt he got an A in A level English earlier today.
Southy, I love the way you are able to take positive news about Southampton and twist it to fit your anti-ABP agenda. What exactly is your issue with them?
southy, redbridge says...
1:43pm Thu 14 Aug 08
THE BRICK, @THE ICE RINK says...
1:49pm Thu 14 Aug 08
cruise expert wrote:How big is the ice rinks on these ships then? If they are the same size as Ryde IOW, that'll do. We'll play hockey anywhere if its made of ice.
THE BRICK wrote:Point of detail it is the newer Royal Caribbean ships that have Ice rinks. Too small for hockey I'm afraid!!
Aha, as some Carnival cruise ship have onboard ice rinks, maybe the Vikings can use one to play home matches on. that would be different and we can the the arena, The Viking Long Ship. Lets start a new campaign!!
Intererested, Musing says...
1:53pm Thu 14 Aug 08
Southey surprise us one day with a positive posting pl
corkhead, IOW says...
1:58pm Thu 14 Aug 08
THE BRICK wrote:Ryde IOW is much bigger than the ship let alone the ice stage!!
cruise expert wrote:How big is the ice rinks on these ships then? If they are the same size as Ryde IOW, that'll do. We'll play hockey anywhere if its made of ice.THE BRICK wrote: Aha, as some Carnival cruise ship have onboard ice rinks, maybe the Vikings can use one to play home matches on. that would be different and we can the the arena, The Viking Long Ship. Lets start a new campaign!!Point of detail it is the newer Royal Caribbean ships that have Ice rinks. Too small for hockey I'm afraid!!
Seriously tho assume 20m X 8m but not so good at guessing measrements and of course ship only here 20 days for 8 hours
tiffany, stuck in the 80's says...
2:17pm Thu 14 Aug 08
southy, redbridge says...
2:17pm Thu 14 Aug 08
And they will grab land and sale docks
Lord of Lol'shire, says...
2:19pm Thu 14 Aug 08
corkhead wrote:the titanic has some ice
THE BRICK wrote:Ryde IOW is much bigger than the ship let alone the ice stage!! Seriously tho assume 20m X 8m but not so good at guessing measrements and of course ship only here 20 days for 8 hourscruise expert wrote:How big is the ice rinks on these ships then? If they are the same size as Ryde IOW, that'll do. We'll play hockey anywhere if its made of ice.THE BRICK wrote: Aha, as some Carnival cruise ship have onboard ice rinks, maybe the Vikings can use one to play home matches on. that would be different and we can the the arena, The Viking Long Ship. Lets start a new campaign!!Point of detail it is the newer Royal Caribbean ships that have Ice rinks. Too small for hockey I'm afraid!!
Southy, redbrifge says...
2:29pm Thu 14 Aug 08
maneater, soton says...
2:38pm Thu 14 Aug 08
Southy wrote:Shouldnt there be a 'well' in there somewere m8?
I dig hung abp workers
southy, redbridge says...
2:45pm Thu 14 Aug 08
THE BRICK, @THE ICE RINK says...
3:22pm Thu 14 Aug 08
southy, redbridge says...
3:32pm Thu 14 Aug 08
THE BRICK, @THE ICE RINK says...
3:42pm Thu 14 Aug 08
southy wrote:An ice hockey rink is 30m x 60m and the curling sheet, by World Curling Federation standards, is an area of ice 146 feet (44.50 m) in length by 14 feet 2 inches (4.32 m) to 16 feet 5 inches (5.00 m) in width.
brick what are the olympic size for all types of ice rinks uses and curling
Gosport size is a frozen puddle
southy, redbridge says...
3:52pm Thu 14 Aug 08
baz, southampton says...
4:04pm Thu 14 Aug 08
THE BRICK, @THE ICE RINK says...
4:08pm Thu 14 Aug 08
southy wrote:Both the same as the olympic/internationa
and what about speed skating and ice dancing,
l size for short track and for long track it is 400 m
southy, redbridge says...
4:12pm Thu 14 Aug 08
Marine Man, portland says...
4:15pm Thu 14 Aug 08
L O'quent, In a Box says...
4:22pm Thu 14 Aug 08
baz wrote:Intersting idea.
Get rid of ABP and their horrible containers and use the land to benefit Southampton,
what would you replaec it with?
southy, redbridge says...
4:30pm Thu 14 Aug 08
THE BRICK, @THE ICE RINK says...
4:53pm Thu 14 Aug 08
southy wrote:No, the long track speed skating oval at 400m long
so an ice hockey rink is the widest and longest
southy, redbridge says...
5:04pm Thu 14 Aug 08
RC, Southampton says...
7:07pm Thu 14 Aug 08
you weren't that bloke that said he was bullied by a senior manager at ABP? if not, what's your beef?
rosylee, southampton says...
8:10pm Thu 14 Aug 08
cruise expert wrote:£50 million!! where? the docks looks a shambles, not befitting a city like southampton, they could learn from Portsmouth how to do it properly.
Gordy H wrote:Relevant points. However nowadays Cruise Companies want the ship to be the focal point not the Terminal.
ossiesaint wrote: I always feel Southampton has missed the boat whilst trying to exploit the cruise market! Surely 5 years ago we should have built some \\\"super dooper\\\" terminal!!!!!Yep, why not build a super terminal at Dibden Bay and release the land for the current mish-mash back to containers? Simple really but not sure those in the docks think like that!
Cruise Companies have a lot of influence on terminal provision as the likes of Carnival/RCL pay for the construction/refurb within their commercial rate structure.
Terminals need to be clean and tidy and able to transfer up to 8,000 people and probably 16,000 pieces of baggage within an 8 hr turnround, not architecturally stimulating.
Unfortunately grandiose Terminal design does not register on the Cruise Companies scale of priorities unless there is the possibility of external grant aid as is the case in some foreign ports.
Whilst cruise revenue is important to ports (and possibly even more so to local businesses)container
s, comparatively, contribute more to port revenue. That is why expansion of the container business ranks so highly in ports throughout the world.
Also from the cruise company perspective, the proximity of the existing cruise terminals to the motorway/rail and air connections is better in Soton that it would be at Dibden.
Finally having invested upwards of £50m on new/refurbed cruise facilities in Soton in recent years, any move to Dibden (and the Nimbys would still be against development) would not make commercial sense.
True Blue, Fareham says...
9:22pm Thu 14 Aug 08
southy wrote:Get a new team in? You need to get a new team in at the New Delhi before you worry about getting new team at the docks.
whats needed norty is southampton docks to be taken away from ABP and get a new team in
wild bill, millbrook hous est says...
7:43am Fri 15 Aug 08
Unwild Bill, says...
12:07pm Fri 15 Aug 08
wild bill wrote:Wild Bill,
I have noticed that when some people lose an arguement or can't hold there own,out comes the nick-picking and slagging.an't that right RC,True blue
I'm not sure of your point however I think what RC is asking is whether southy was bullied by someone at ABP which is a legitimate question. Southy is very knowledgeable about the docks and most probably the authority on all dock matters on this forum however he does appear to have an agenda so was he the guy that was bullied?
wild bill, millbrook hous est says...
12:38pm Fri 15 Aug 08
But I do think that RC is refering to a pass post about a accountant who said he was bullied by ABP.
:-), says...
5:59pm Fri 15 Aug 08
wild bill wrote:Don't you just hate bullies. I hope he took them to the cleaners!
Knowing Southy,ABP could not off bully him.Because if ABP called him in to do a job,He would of said do you want the job done or not and be heading for the door.Because if they want him to do a job its because no-one else in the docks can do the job,So he has them over a barrel. But I do think that RC is refering to a pass post about a accountant who said he was bullied by ABP.
gerry, soton says...
9:49pm Fri 15 Aug 08
RC wrote:To be fair to Southey it was somenoe else who inferred he was bullied
Southy, you weren't that bloke that said he was bullied by a senior manager at ABP? if not, what's your beef?
Lets have clarification from Southey on the bullification issue
southy, redbridge says...
10:20am Sat 16 Aug 08
Be positive, Southampton says...
10:50am Sat 16 Aug 08
southy wrote:ABP in a private company and has no share holders to please Southy.
Intererested, Musing aka northy,ABP will put share holders first every time,ever since the docks got sold,there been ships that refuse to come to southampton due to there over charging,one explample is the nerc ships,when they was at port barry they was told if they move to southampton the cost will be the same,they had at that time 4 ships based at port barry and there was a new in the pipe line to be built(sir john ross),but when nerc got here the charges was not the same it was going to cost them 3 times has much,thats why nerc ships are now based at porthmouth,and its only there offices here in southampton whitch they will be leavng has soon the short term contract runs out,they are moving to the west country,not far from the uk Oceanography HQ,BAS ships moved out of southampton for the same reason, And they will grab land and sale docks
ABP was taken over by a consortium a couple of years ago and since then there has been massive investment in the docks. The dock estate is looking better than it has for years. It is better maintained, cleaner and more vibrant than it has been for a long time. A new Cruise Terminal, new multi deck car storage facility, Huelin Renouf are relocating to Southamnpton Docks from Portsmouth and there are lots more projects in the pipeline. People should remember that Southampton Docks and the busineses that work in and around them create thousands of job and bring in millions of pounds to the local economy.
So there are no shareholders to come first. Current Port Director Doug Morrison has been a breath of fresh air to the docks and the city.
southy, redbridge says...
11:26am Sat 16 Aug 08
Info Man, Soton says...
11:09am Sun 17 Aug 08
1. SCH is a private company owned by a small number of private shareholders who set the company up in 1990. ABP have absolutely no involvement with the running of SCH.
Mr burgis (sic) and his merry team of investors are trying to buy the shares of SCH from the current worker shareholders at SCH or their dependents.
2. Southey is probably confusing SCH with the previously named SCT (now DPW Soton) a company in which ABP is a 49% shareholder
3. Heulin Renouf is relocating to Soton in early 2009, lock stock and barrel. Personnel/Warehousin
g and a brand new ship.They will not operate out of Portsmouth after this time.
Typical Southey, confused as usual. Problem is a good many people get taken in by his posts.
interested, In the Red says...
11:15am Sun 17 Aug 08
southy wrote:Accountants are **** cats who wear specs and sit in a comfy office. Who would dare bully an old sea dog like you.
abp would not dare to bully me they know better not to even try.and like bill said a pass post a accountant that work for abp he was bullied.
What was it about?
Presume you owede someone some money?
Or as your post indicates perhaps it was the accountant that was bullied?
southy, redbridge says...
12:12pm Sun 17 Aug 08
Info Man wrote:i know that ABP,SCH,SCT are all diffrent companys,like i also know that alot of the the old black book dockies have shares in all 3 companys,they was giving the option when ABP was first put on the market,my dad bought share,s into ABP,they have now pass onto my mum.
Southey wrong as usual for the following reasons:
1. SCH is a private company owned by a small number of private shareholders who set the company up in 1990. ABP have absolutely no involvement with the running of SCH.
Mr burgis (sic) and his merry team of investors are trying to buy the shares of SCH from the current worker shareholders at SCH or their dependents.
2. Southey is probably confusing SCH with the previously named SCT (now DPW Soton) a company in which ABP is a 49% shareholder
3. Heulin Renouf is relocating to Soton in early 2009, lock stock and barrel. Personnel/Warehousin
g and a brand new ship.They will not operate out of Portsmouth after this time.
Typical Southey, confused as usual. Problem is a good many people get taken in by his posts.
Heulin Renouf offices,most personnel and warehousing,moving to southampton,check there share holders site out,because that all they talk about not the shipping,and the only reason they moving that part to southampton is because it is a purpose built building,plus the only place that a ro-ro ship could work from is where stella line use to run from and this motorize ramp has not been used since the early 1990's and is very old,it will need a major overall or replacing,and theres been no work on this ramp has to date.
interested, In the Red
how would i know what it was about had nothing to do with me
northy, baddesley says...
8:32pm Sun 17 Aug 08
2.There are no private shareholders in ABP since the company was delisted from the Stock Exchange in 2006.
If your dear old Mum did have ABP shares she would have been paid out by now at over £9 per share!!
3.There have never been private investors in SCT/DWP so no shares have ever been issued
4.Worse mistake is that Huelin Renouf is a LO/LO service (containers only to the unitiated) NOT RO/RO as stated.
5. The service will operate from the Spring of 2009 from 45 berth in the Eastern Docks where the Tugs are currently based.
6. It was Stena Line (not Stella Line as you incorrectly say )which operated off the RO/RO ramp at 30 berth from 1990 to 1997.
Since then the motorized ramp has been used on average two or three times a week, most recently for UECC ships loading Honda cars and other RO/RO cargo.
7. You also say that this ramp needs a major overhaul. It has obviously escaped your notice that a £1m upgrade was put in place for the short lived Channel Freight Ferry Service to Radicatel three years ago.
Southey, I admire the fact that you have a general interest in marine matters but your facts are generally way off the mark.
More attention to detail please.
info man2, soton says...
8:45pm Sun 17 Aug 08
I think Southey may be confusing 30 berth linkspan with the defunct one at 49 berth.
As mentioned the Stena Service ran from 30 berth which is constantly in use.
Perhaps Southey should spend less time on the internet and get round the port to see whats going on!!!
southy, redbridge says...
10:45pm Sun 17 Aug 08
the large UECC have there own ramps that can reach the quay wall and dont need to use any quay side ramps.the smaller ones will head for 201 berth to unload.
Huelin Renouf runs daily sailings using ro-ro ferries and there own vessel, the MV Huelin Dispatch which departs from Flathouse Quay, Portsmouth to Jersey and Guernsey.this ship uses cranes to unload the new ship will be replacing this ship on the channel island run while there the older ship will run between islands.
northy, nbaddesley says...
3:24pm Mon 18 Aug 08
No body holds shares in ABP any longer. ABP is owned by 4 foreign investment comapnies.
You contradict yourself re Huelin Renouf. You say the Huelin Despatch is a RO/RO vessel when it is not.
It is a hatched ship, without ramps, built to take containers and a bit of loose freight in the lower hold so therefore a LO/LO vessel.
Also the ship runs on a three day rotation and not daily.
I think you are confused with the regular RO/Ro service operated by Condor Ferries out of Portsmouth!!
southy, redbridge says...
4:17pm Mon 18 Aug 08
you assume wrong I said some off the SCH workers more so the old boys that was around in the black book days have shares in ABP and some still do have.An offer was made for there share's in ABP but some refused and some took the offer.
you also need to read again about Huelin Despatch I said this needed cranes to unload and load up.condor ferries might own the ships but are run by Huelin Renouf.look at what i said here and i quote "Huelin Renouf runs daily sailings using ro-ro ferries and there own vessel, the MV Huelin Dispatch" not the words and there own vessel
northy, baddesley says...
10:11pm Mon 18 Aug 08
you quote in your last post that ...'Huelin Renouf runs daily sailings...
(WRONG!!, the service runs every 3 days)
.. using RO/RO ferries..
(WRONG!! it is one container ship)
Also Heulin Renouf have nothing to do with Condor Ferries. They are competitors.
Finally as I keep trying to advise, there are NO private shareholders in ABP (not your old Mum as you say in a previous post, nor 'old boys with black books who you state still have shares.)
southy, redbridge says...
12:16am Tue 19 Aug 08
northy, baddesley says...
9:29am Tue 19 Aug 08
Yeas I know all about chartered vessels. Believe it or not I once worked for a London based company that arranged vessel charters so I know the market more than most!!You are wrong on the first point and definately wrong on the ABP share issue.THERE ARE NO ABP SHARES IN EXISTENCE. All shares were bought out when the company was sold in 2006!!
As usual we have deviated wildly from the main topic.
Lets rejoice in the fact that Cunard have decided to move their worldwide Head Office back to the UK (and Southampton) from the USA. Surely you must agree this is good news?
southy, redbridge says...
11:03am Tue 19 Aug 08
75% shares was needed
wild bill, millbrook hous est says...
11:10am Tue 19 Aug 08
quoteHuelin-Renouf Shipping provides shipping and freight forwarding services to and from the Channel Islands
Welcome to Huelin-Renouf Shipping, your partner for shipping to the Channel Islands for full loads and consolidation services.
We provide daily sailings using ro-ro ferries and our own vessel, the MV Huelin Dispatch which departs from Flathouse Quay, Portsmouth to Jersey and Guernsey.
We operate a distribution service from our own Jersey and Guernsey based warehouses that takes your items right to the door.
If you are looking to ship items to the Channel Islands, please contact us to discuss your freight and shipping requirements.
We have great pleasure in announcing that as from the end of 2008 will be relocating our UK operations from Flathouse Quay, Portsmouth to a purpose built receiving logistics depot in Southampton. A detailed press release and further information will be issued in due course.
From there own web site
Shareholder, Dock House says...
5:10pm Tue 19 Aug 08
Can confirm that ALL (ie 100%) of ABP shares were acquired by the new owners.
There are none in existence now.
Regarding H Renouf. They operate one container ship out of Portsmouth which will be replaced by a brand new ship when they come here.
However their freight dept can book cargo on the daily RO/RO ships operated by a rival company Condor Ferries.
These vessels are not chartered by H Renouf as previously mentioned
jacko, southampton says...
6:33pm Tue 19 Aug 08
Shareholder wrote:Your no share holder,I still have mine I refused ABP offer of £11 per share,When at the share holders meeting they up the lower offer to £11 because no-one would sale,ABP only owns 52% of the shares and they needed 75% of shares to force the sale of all shares to them,But agreement was made not to sale any shares on the open market.
To clarify matters.
Can confirm that ALL (ie 100%) of ABP shares were acquired by the new owners.
There are none in existence now.
Regarding H Renouf. They operate one container ship out of Portsmouth which will be replaced by a brand new ship when they come here.
However their freight dept can book cargo on the daily RO/RO ships operated by a rival company Condor Ferries.
These vessels are not chartered by H Renouf as previously mentioned
Eastee, Southampton says...
7:54pm Tue 19 Aug 08
Shareholder wrote:
To clarify matters.
THE BRICK, @THE ICE RINK says...
8:26am Thu 14 Aug 08
Lets start a new campaign!!