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11:52am Friday 15th August 2008
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A MUM was hit in the face in front of her children because she stopped in someone's drive.
Frances Gorman was driving to a holiday park when she got lost and pulled over off a busy road.
She reversed up a driveway and stopped to ring a friend to give her directions when the attack happened.
The owner of the house appeared at the side of her car and began hammering on her window. When she wound it down, Mrs Gorman claims he threw a punch and tried to grab her phone.
The frightening ordeal happened as Mrs Gorman's eight-year-old daughter Florence and nine-year-old son Jacob looked on from the back seats.
Police have confirmed they are investigating the incident which happened around lunchtime on Wednesday on the drive of a home in Main Road, Marchwood.
A 63-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of assault but has since been released on bail until September, pending further inquiries.
Hampshire police confirmed they had received a call from Mrs Gorman at around midday. Officers were deployed and the man was arrested at his house.
Mrs Gorman has been photographed by police but she has not suffered any physical injury.
The mum of two from Hursley, near Winchester, had been on her way to Sandy Balls holiday park at Godshill in the New Forest and had got lost, when the incident happened. She had planned to visit friends and stay the night at the site.
Speaking to the Daily Echo she said: "I was in a daze really after he hit me, it was such a shock. My daughter was screaming, crying and shaking and so was I.
"There is absolutely no need for anyone to behave like that, we were petrified.
"I used to be quite a trusting person and I thought nothing of winding downmy window but now if someone started to bang on my window I think I would be scared and just drive off."
Major Sir Jerry Pending, Ward 10 says...
8:59am Fri 15 Aug 08
George, says...
9:01am Fri 15 Aug 08
wewullywinky, says...
9:10am Fri 15 Aug 08
Artful Dodger, Millbrook says...
9:15am Fri 15 Aug 08
about time, soton says...
9:21am Fri 15 Aug 08
jonno, on denzil drive way says...
9:21am Fri 15 Aug 08
Duh!!, says...
9:28am Fri 15 Aug 08
about time wrote:It quite clearly states in the report she pulled over to make a phone call. She never parked up and left the car you idiot!! She was sensible to stop driving and use her phone unlike many others!!!
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space. i don't condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks
hulla, baloo says...
9:36am Fri 15 Aug 08
Duh!! wrote:It also states she "stopped in someones driveway"
about time wrote: what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space. i don't condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parksIt quite clearly states in the report she pulled over to make a phone call. She never parked up and left the car you idiot!! She was sensible to stop driving and use her phone unlike many others!!!
Wewullywinky, says...
9:36am Fri 15 Aug 08
Artful Dodger wrote:Your statement would hold water if she was a hoodie, but I very much doubt it.
What a Hero! I bet he is the sort of old git that is always on about the youth of today having no respect for their elders, moans about hoodies and tells one and all about how perfect he and his mates, if he had any, were when they were kids. If found guilty, I hope that he will be the guest of Her Majesty for a period of time.
George, says...
9:39am Fri 15 Aug 08
about time wrote:Sorry, but that's exactly what's wrong with the world today. Everyone's concerned about their own rights, and space, and what's "mine mine mine" and don't take a moment to think "is this person actually inconveniencing me?". If he wanted to get out of his drive, or his wife or somebody wanted to get in, then he'd have cause for complaint, but if not, then what harm was she doing?
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space.
i don't condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks
jed, southampton says...
9:39am Fri 15 Aug 08
about time wrote:Get a life!!!
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space. i don't condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks
pikey, new forest says...
9:40am Fri 15 Aug 08
Tony, Eastleigh says...
9:42am Fri 15 Aug 08
jonno wrote:She has not committed any criminal offence, and clearly did not have any intention of doing so. You are correct in the fact that you are permitted to remove people from your property usinng force. However, the force you use must be reasonable in the circumstances. The fact that he punched her in the face would indicate that he had no intention of removing her from his driveway.
More than likey the guy will not be charge,Because she had broke the law her-self,And he do have the right to remove her from his driveway using force. But its still very bad behaviour
George, says...
9:44am Fri 15 Aug 08
pikey wrote:Yep, everyone's talking rubbish, because you said so. Brilliant
She has a cheek to park in someone,s drive. She should be charged with trespass. More power to the occupant of the house defending his property. Then she has further cheek to call the police. I,d like to meet her and tell the **** her fortune. Most of the comments from the other people are absolute rubbish and whats more theyre talking out of their rears!
jonno, on denzil drive way says...
9:49am Fri 15 Aug 08
George, says...
9:55am Fri 15 Aug 08
jonno wrote:You're not allowed to use your own driveway? Since when? She wasn't blocking the entrance, she was actually on the driveway, which isn't the same thing, so the traffic law doesn't apply. As for trespass, well, since the trespass wasn't aggravated in any way, she merely parked there, that's a simple tort, rather than the "crime" of trespass - no police involvement. He failed to use reasonable force to move her from his property, ergo he was in the wrong.
She broke the trespass laws and also broke a highway law.Your not even allowed to block your own driveway,let along block or drive on some else driveway.so there fore she has broke the law
deb, says...
9:55am Fri 15 Aug 08
alan, birmingham says...
9:58am Fri 15 Aug 08
Neil, London says...
10:03am Fri 15 Aug 08
Husband, says...
10:03am Fri 15 Aug 08
jonno wrote:This happened to my wife about 15 years ago. She then got out of the car hit the bloke in the face with the palm of her hand and kicked him in the knee which sent him to the floor.
She broke the trespass laws and also broke a highway law.Your not even allowed to block your own driveway,let along block or drive on some else driveway.so there fore she has broke the law
Get it Right, Winchester says...
10:10am Fri 15 Aug 08
George wrote:Where are the "facts"? I dont see any "facts". All I see is opinion, conjecture, supposition and hot air. But no "facts".
about time wrote:Sorry, but that\'s exactly what\'s wrong with the world today. Everyone\'s concerned about their own rights, and space, and what\'s \"mine mine mine\" and don\'t take a moment to think \"is this person actually inconveniencing me?\". If he wanted to get out of his drive, or his wife or somebody wanted to get in, then he\'d have cause for complaint, but if not, then what harm was she doing?
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space.
i don\'t condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks
George, says...
10:14am Fri 15 Aug 08
Get it Right wrote:Well, there's no point ever commenting on any story, then, is there? Unless you're present at a reported incident, you can never be sure what's reported is right. But really, I'm pointing out that, in general, people today are too quick to be defensive about what are actually quite trivial things. I caught myself doing it last year, when a neighbour blocked my drive and I instantly got angry about it, "what right does she have to do that?". Then I thought "well, I don't need to get out right now, and she's only unloading her shopping. Where's the harm?" and left it. She got her shopping unloaded, and I saved myself the hassle of being p!ssed off. Everyone's a winner
George wrote:Where are the "facts"? I dont see any "facts". All I see is opinion, conjecture, supposition and hot air. But no "facts".
about time wrote:Sorry, but that\'s exactly what\'s wrong with the world today. Everyone\'s concerned about their own rights, and space, and what\'s \"mine mine mine\" and don\'t take a moment to think \"is this person actually inconveniencing me?\". If he wanted to get out of his drive, or his wife or somebody wanted to get in, then he\'d have cause for complaint, but if not, then what harm was she doing?
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space.
i don\'t condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks
jonno, on denzil drive way says...
10:25am Fri 15 Aug 08
George wrote:Read the law.You are allowed to use your drive way but you not allowed to block it.(blocking it means blocking the entrance).The law no longer says reasonable force,It now says you can use force.The woman has broke the law,The guy has't.It is an offence to drive on some one drive way with out permission,Your not even allowed to use some driveway to turn round.What she should of done was pull up in between drive ways giving 1 meter clearance of any driveway entrance.
jonno wrote:You\'re not allowed to use your own driveway? Since when? She wasn\'t blocking the entrance, she was actually on the driveway, which isn\'t the same thing, so the traffic law doesn\'t apply. As for trespass, well, since the trespass wasn\'t aggravated in any way, she merely parked there, that\'s a simple tort, rather than the \"crime\" of trespass - no police involvement. He failed to use reasonable force to move her from his property, ergo he was in the wrong.
She broke the trespass laws and also broke a highway law.Your not even allowed to block your own driveway,let along block or drive on some else driveway.so there fore she has broke the law
George, says...
10:30am Fri 15 Aug 08
jonno wrote:Got any sources for this recent change in the law that allows use of excessive force? Regardless, though, do you really think it's right to simply punch a woman in the face for being on your drive?
George wrote:Read the law.You are allowed to use your drive way but you not allowed to block it.(blocking it means blocking the entrance).The law no longer says reasonable force,It now says you can use force.The woman has broke the law,The guy has't.It is an offence to drive on some one drive way with out permission,Your not even allowed to use some driveway to turn round.What she should of done was pull up in between drive ways giving 1 meter clearance of any driveway entrance.
jonno wrote:You\'re not allowed to use your own driveway? Since when? She wasn\'t blocking the entrance, she was actually on the driveway, which isn\'t the same thing, so the traffic law doesn\'t apply. As for trespass, well, since the trespass wasn\'t aggravated in any way, she merely parked there, that\'s a simple tort, rather than the \"crime\" of trespass - no police involvement. He failed to use reasonable force to move her from his property, ergo he was in the wrong.
She broke the trespass laws and also broke a highway law.Your not even allowed to block your own driveway,let along block or drive on some else driveway.so there fore she has broke the law
Get it Right, says...
10:31am Fri 15 Aug 08
George wrote:But you bang on all the time about posters talking from "facts". You do the same exact thing as people you constatly rubbish, forget the "facts" that is hypocritical in my book. Little personal anecdotes are cute. But they are not "facts" so are not relevant to any proper discussion or debate. You talk a lot but if you analysis what you actually say most of it is wind. you are so full of yourself you ignore the "facts". Get it right!
Get it Right wrote:Well, there\'s no point ever commenting on any story, then, is there? Unless you\'re present at a reported incident, you can never be sure what\'s reported is right. But really, I\'m pointing out that, in general, people today are too quick to be defensive about what are actually quite trivial things. I caught myself doing it last year, when a neighbour blocked my drive and I instantly got angry about it, \"what right does she have to do that?\". Then I thought \"well, I don\'t need to get out right now, and she\'s only unloading her shopping. Where\'s the harm?\" and left it. She got her shopping unloaded, and I saved myself the hassle of being p!ssed off. Everyone\'s a winner
George wrote:Where are the \"facts\"? I dont see any \"facts\". All I see is opinion, conjecture, supposition and hot air. But no \"facts\".
about time wrote:Sorry, but that\\\'s exactly what\\\'s wrong with the world today. Everyone\\\'s concerned about their own rights, and space, and what\\\'s \\\"mine mine mine\\\" and don\\\'t take a moment to think \\\"is this person actually inconveniencing me?\\\". If he wanted to get out of his drive, or his wife or somebody wanted to get in, then he\\\'d have cause for complaint, but if not, then what harm was she doing?
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space.
i don\\\'t condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks
Delboy, Chandlers Ford says...
10:33am Fri 15 Aug 08
Words Fail Me, Hants says...
10:35am Fri 15 Aug 08
about time wrote:Read the article again! She didn't 'park' her car, nor 'block' the ignorant old sod's drive, she merely stopped to get directions. If the property owner needed or wanted her to move she could have done so immediately had he the manners to ask her. She states she was on a busy road so perhaps there were no safe places to stop, bearing in mind she had two young children in the back of her car. No excuses whatever for this unacceptable behaviour from someone old enough to know better!
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space. i don't condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks
jonno, on denzil drive way says...
10:35am Fri 15 Aug 08
George, says...
10:37am Fri 15 Aug 08
Get it Right wrote:Yep, point taken. what's reported here is one-sided, we don't know what actually happened.
George wrote:But you bang on all the time about posters talking from "facts". You do the same exact thing as people you constatly rubbish, forget the "facts" that is hypocritical in my book. Little personal anecdotes are cute. But they are not "facts" so are not relevant to any proper discussion or debate. You talk a lot but if you analysis what you actually say most of it is wind. you are so full of yourself you ignore the "facts". Get it right!
Get it Right wrote:Well, there\'s no point ever commenting on any story, then, is there? Unless you\'re present at a reported incident, you can never be sure what\'s reported is right. But really, I\'m pointing out that, in general, people today are too quick to be defensive about what are actually quite trivial things. I caught myself doing it last year, when a neighbour blocked my drive and I instantly got angry about it, \"what right does she have to do that?\". Then I thought \"well, I don\'t need to get out right now, and she\'s only unloading her shopping. Where\'s the harm?\" and left it. She got her shopping unloaded, and I saved myself the hassle of being p!ssed off. Everyone\'s a winner
George wrote:Where are the \"facts\"? I dont see any \"facts\". All I see is opinion, conjecture, supposition and hot air. But no \"facts\".
about time wrote:Sorry, but that\\\'s exactly what\\\'s wrong with the world today. Everyone\\\'s concerned about their own rights, and space, and what\\\'s \\\"mine mine mine\\\" and don\\\'t take a moment to think \\\"is this person actually inconveniencing me?\\\". If he wanted to get out of his drive, or his wife or somebody wanted to get in, then he\\\'d have cause for complaint, but if not, then what harm was she doing?
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space.
i don\\\'t condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks
George, says...
10:43am Fri 15 Aug 08
jonno wrote:You mean the Tony Martin case? You make an interesting point. The press had a field day about how he was protecting his property, truth of the matter is, he shot the guys in the back as they were leaving. Then he went to the pub for a pint, leaving them for dead, rather than calling the police as he should have done. He was also known to wave his shotgun around at people for no reason when p!ssed. I used to live in that area, there's a lot more to the Tony Martin story than was reported in the papers
It got changed not long after that farmer shot a guy that broke into his house.And the law say you may use force,It don't say excessive force.And you can only use force if it happen on your land.
jonno, on denzil drive way says...
10:45am Fri 15 Aug 08
George, says...
10:51am Fri 15 Aug 08
jonno wrote:Certainly did. The Tony Martin case is so full of holes and inconsistencies that it's not much use as evidence for either side of the "right to defend property" case, but yeh, it highlighted that the law needed changing in the favour of the law-abiding.
Well that case got the ball rolling,To have the law changed.
jonno, on denzil drive way says...
10:54am Fri 15 Aug 08
George, says...
10:58am Fri 15 Aug 08
jonno wrote:I'd have given her directions. Assuming she wasn't being a gobby cow or anything, of course
I think he did to,but??
With me I would of just tap on the window after 5 mins,And pointed my thumb in a hop-it fashion.
George, says...
11:01am Fri 15 Aug 08
Also to everybody saying its not annoying to have your driveway blocked, my house is on a s bend corner and everytime i want to get a car out the drive i have to go door knocking for 15 minuets to find whose parked across my drive this time.
Admitedly there have been times when its fun (say when i've had to leave the house at 5:30 in the morning)
Marchwood Resident, Marchwood says...
11:09am Fri 15 Aug 08
the vengeful cabbage, says...
11:12am Fri 15 Aug 08
George wrote:Dosen't say in the storey if he was going anywhere or not. But if i'm not going anywhere then i have no problem with it. It still irks me as i have a dropped kirb and for the most part they are just too lazy to pull the car round the front of the house where its clear. But i am in a slip road and people aren't exactly glowing models of road safety when they pull over to answer their phones. Often they just stop in the middle of the road or worse right in the middle of the corner which is a van drivers favourite. And in answer to your question i'm sure they do get annoyed but it hasn't stopped them parking there... yet!
Also to everybody saying its not annoying to have your driveway blocked, my house is on a s bend corner and everytime i want to get a car out the drive i have to go door knocking for 15 minuets to find whose parked across my drive this time.That is annoying, yeh. But someone just sat there for a minute or so, when you're not going anywhere anyway? Where's the harm?Admitedly there have been times when its fun (say when i've had to leave the house at 5:30 in the morning)Heh heh, they can't exactly get annoyed with you either, can they?
Mike, Southampton says...
11:18am Fri 15 Aug 08
hehod, bitternpark / canary's says...
11:19am Fri 15 Aug 08
Nobjockey, says...
11:48am Fri 15 Aug 08
Marchwood Resident wrote:Very contradictory argument.
Whilst I dont condone the alleged actions of the 63 year old man at all, its clear to see how this incident could have been completely avoided if the woman had used a little common-sense in the first place! pulled off a busy main road: Hmm Main Road in Marchwood can hardly be described as busy, and as for stopping in someones driveway, seems to me that although she managed to find one of the few driveways along that road to stop in, she also successfully managed to completely miss FOUR car-parks along that road: (1) Lloyds Recreation Ground (2) Outside the Newsagents & Hairdressers (3) Beside the White Horse pub (4) In front of the Doctors and Dental surgeries. And what about the TWO car-parks in the village centre?! I appreciate she may have been lost, but there are sign-posts clearly showing the direction of the village centre, and surely it would be more logical to find somewhere appropriate to park, be it to make a phone-call, or even get out of the car and ask someone for assistance. And how the heck she managed to land up in Marchwood on her way to Godshill, is beyond me. Unless you are actually intending to go to Marchwood, youre more than likely to bypass it altogether than end up in the middle of it.
Sotonion, Soton says...
11:50am Fri 15 Aug 08
Marchwood Resident wrote:Yep - and shops sell maps too!
Whilst I dont condone the alleged actions of the 63 year old man at all, its clear to see how this incident could have been completely avoided if the woman had used a little common-sense in the first place! pulled off a busy main road: Hmm Main Road in Marchwood can hardly be described as busy, and as for stopping in someones driveway, seems to me that although she managed to find one of the few driveways along that road to stop in, she also successfully managed to completely miss FOUR car-parks along that road: (1) Lloyds Recreation Ground (2) Outside the Newsagents & Hairdressers (3) Beside the White Horse pub (4) In front of the Doctors and Dental surgeries. And what about the TWO car-parks in the village centre?! I appreciate she may have been lost, but there are sign-posts clearly showing the direction of the village centre, and surely it would be more logical to find somewhere appropriate to park, be it to make a phone-call, or even get out of the car and ask someone for assistance. And how the heck she managed to land up in Marchwood on her way to Godshill, is beyond me. Unless you are actually intending to go to Marchwood, youre more than likely to bypass it altogether than end up in the middle of it.
Marchwood Resident, Marchwood says...
12:01pm Fri 15 Aug 08
Nobjockey wrote:Yes, I live in Marchwood, and as such I know that you literally have to drive past these car parks (which are all along Main Road) and are obviously car-parks as they have cars in them. The driveway would actually be a lot harder to find, as there are hardly any along that road. Main Road, Marchwood is actually quite a small road, not the busy main road that the echo implies that it is. There's traffic calming all along it, and you have to drive slowly through it anyway - stopping at each calming section 99.9% of the time.
Marchwood Resident wrote: Whilst I dont condone the alleged actions of the 63 year old man at all, its clear to see how this incident could have been completely avoided if the woman had used a little common-sense in the first place! pulled off a busy main road: Hmm Main Road in Marchwood can hardly be described as busy, and as for stopping in someones driveway, seems to me that although she managed to find one of the few driveways along that road to stop in, she also successfully managed to completely miss FOUR car-parks along that road: (1) Lloyds Recreation Ground (2) Outside the Newsagents & Hairdressers (3) Beside the White Horse pub (4) In front of the Doctors and Dental surgeries. And what about the TWO car-parks in the village centre?! I appreciate she may have been lost, but there are sign-posts clearly showing the direction of the village centre, and surely it would be more logical to find somewhere appropriate to park, be it to make a phone-call, or even get out of the car and ask someone for assistance. And how the heck she managed to land up in Marchwood on her way to Godshill, is beyond me. Unless you are actually intending to go to Marchwood, youre more than likely to bypass it altogether than end up in the middle of it.Very contradictory argument. She was lost. She doesn't know the area like you do. You know where the car parks are, she doesn't. You don't know whereabouts she actually was parked, so don't know whether the village centre or car park sign-posts were visible. She was lost and probably stressed. The last thing she was probably inclined to do, was wander off her current course. By stopping, she could more easily explain what route she had taken and easily back-track if necessary. "how the heck she managed to land up in Marchwood on her way to Godshill, is beyond me" For the last time, she was lost .
I know her, Southampton says...
12:01pm Fri 15 Aug 08
Nobjockey wrote:She may have been lost but I take it as a driver she isn't blind and therefore could quite easily have seen sign posts to the many car parking spaces along Main Road.
Marchwood Resident wrote: Whilst I dont condone the alleged actions of the 63 year old man at all, its clear to see how this incident could have been completely avoided if the woman had used a little common-sense in the first place! pulled off a busy main road: Hmm Main Road in Marchwood can hardly be described as busy, and as for stopping in someones driveway, seems to me that although she managed to find one of the few driveways along that road to stop in, she also successfully managed to completely miss FOUR car-parks along that road: (1) Lloyds Recreation Ground (2) Outside the Newsagents & Hairdressers (3) Beside the White Horse pub (4) In front of the Doctors and Dental surgeries. And what about the TWO car-parks in the village centre?! I appreciate she may have been lost, but there are sign-posts clearly showing the direction of the village centre, and surely it would be more logical to find somewhere appropriate to park, be it to make a phone-call, or even get out of the car and ask someone for assistance. And how the heck she managed to land up in Marchwood on her way to Godshill, is beyond me. Unless you are actually intending to go to Marchwood, youre more than likely to bypass it altogether than end up in the middle of it.Very contradictory argument. She was lost. She doesn't know the area like you do. You know where the car parks are, she doesn't. You don't know whereabouts she actually was parked, so don't know whether the village centre or car park sign-posts were visible. She was lost and probably stressed. The last thing she was probably inclined to do, was wander off her current course. By stopping, she could more easily explain what route she had taken and easily back-track if necessary. "how the heck she managed to land up in Marchwood on her way to Godshill, is beyond me" For the last time, she was lost .
Dave, Winchester says...
12:04pm Fri 15 Aug 08
Alison, Soton says...
8:54am Fri 15 Aug 08
A slug like him should be locked up her children must have been terrified what a nasty piece of work..lock him up!!