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350m container ship is docks’ biggest to date
2:09pm Tuesday 19th August 2008
THE biggest vessel ever to dock at the container terminal in Southampton arrived yesterday afternoon.
At 350 metres long and weighing in at 111,200 gross tonnes, the Liberian flagged CMA-CGM Orfeo, pictured, is a true sea monster.
If it was stood on its end it would be taller than New York's towering Chrysler Building - and well over twice the height of St Peter's Basilica in Rome.
The terminal, recently renamed DP World Southampton, only unloaded a small fraction of the 9,600 containers it is capable of carrying.
It is typical of a global trend towards ever bigger vessels, as container shipping companies seek economies of scale.
The new ships have forced terminal bosses to invest in new cranes big enough to stretch across their vast decks, which can be as wide as a motorway.
Campbell Mason, managing director of DP World Southamp-ton, said: "This new vessel reflects the industry trend towards ever larger ships and with the recent commissioning of the terminal's first two super post-panamax cranes and an additional two super post-panamax cranes scheduled to arrive next summer we are well positioned to meet that growth."
The previous record holder was the CMA-CGM Fidelio, which first came to the terminal in June 2006.
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Dan, says...
5:28pm Tue 19 Aug 08
I love the Chrysler building comparison, although I really want to wonder know how many London Buses long it is.
Daz, Southampton says...
5:42pm Tue 19 Aug 08
Wild William wrote:I bet Mr Morrison of ABP gets a rollicking over spending all that money upgrading the cranes etc without finding out from your mate if they will even come in here ;o)
Thinkl this is wrong. My mate says big ships cant come into southampton. southampton is to small an to expensive think te picture is of the ship going thro the big lock in bristol or london
southy, redbridge says...
5:46pm Tue 19 Aug 08
Wild William wrote:you need to read the echo post again,bold It's Says THE biggest vessel ever to dock at the container terminal in Southampton arrived yesterday afternoon there are 36 container ships bigger than this one,she came in part loaded,if she was fully loaded she would off grounded this ship has a 15mt draft,tugs from porthsmouth and southampton had to be used to get her round thorn channel to southampton waters,they had to stop all other shipping movements at the time,till she was in shelted waters.harbour boat was out there to make sure the small boats did not get in the way.
Thinkl this is wrong. My mate says big ships cant come into southampton. southampton is to small an to expensive
think te picture is of the ship going thro the big lock in bristol or london
the new container port will not have locks it be open to the severn channel,like bristol shore road docks are along the banks of the severn.she be able to use the shellheaven new docks easy,seeing that new container berths will be more or less at the mouth of the river thames.
Ian Russell, Southampton says...
5:55pm Tue 19 Aug 08
southy, redbridge says...
6:02pm Tue 19 Aug 08
Ian Russell wrote:that john russel nipper.
A credit for Southampton Port and a magnificent site to see.
it was nice to watch from red eagle,only made me an hour or two late.
Dan, says...
6:08pm Tue 19 Aug 08
As i'm sure you are well aware ABP have plans to deepen & WIDEN the channel & re-develop 201/2 berths which will allow fully loaded ship s over 15m draft to berth.
I'm sure that Bristol's developments will provide a welcome boost to the UK's much needed container capacity, but in the meantime let's give credit to Southampton for boosting its capacity and attracting larger ships, ay?
southy, redbridge says...
6:18pm Tue 19 Aug 08
has for widening and deeping thorn channel it is very unlikey that they get permission from the EA they have all ready said no, and would like to see redbridge channel fill back up to 9 mts at low water because of the damage thats being done up above the bridges.
tom, says...
6:42pm Tue 19 Aug 08
a fellow dock worker
southy, redbridge says...
6:56pm Tue 19 Aug 08
Dan, says...
7:10pm Tue 19 Aug 08
southy, redbridge says...
7:31pm Tue 19 Aug 08
it need to be though about,whitch pass mangerment seems a bit lacking to do,they relay on the fact we have a double high water has there biggest selling point.whitch is the biggest mistake they have made,and they been and still are over charging,and morrison is thinking the same way,over charging is why all the ship repairers have gone,
southy, redbridge says...
7:33pm Tue 19 Aug 08
exxon man, fawley says...
11:24pm Tue 19 Aug 08
southy wrote:think you ar wrong (again) old son.
fawley was its now number 3 in the uk,milford-on-haven and grangemouth 1 and 2 in that order
Fawley ==24 million tonnes per annum
Grangemouth = 9m tonnes
Milford = 7m tonnes
Shipping Expert, eling says...
11:29pm Tue 19 Aug 08
southy wrote:Main problem is the cost and quality of rigging companies in southampton. Thats why no ships call no more
i agree with you on this statement,quote:-it does NOT mean the port cannot be massively successful and continue to grow. it need to be though about,whitch pass mangerment seems a bit lacking to do,they relay on the fact we have a double high water has there biggest selling point.whitch is the biggest mistake they have made,and they been and still are over charging,and morrison is thinking the same way,over charging is why all the ship repairers have gone,
southy, redbridge says...
1:03am Wed 20 Aug 08
Shipping Expert wrote:Shipping Expert, eling another one dont know what he talking about.the quality of the rigging companys in southampton are world known to be the best about,there still a very strong base of old school riggers here.the real problem is ABP over charges for every thing,its the most expensive dock in the world to come to.
southy wrote:Main problem is the cost and quality of rigging companies in southampton. Thats why no ships call no more
i agree with you on this statement,quote:-it does NOT mean the port cannot be massively successful and continue to grow. it need to be though about,whitch pass mangerment seems a bit lacking to do,they relay on the fact we have a double high water has there biggest selling point.whitch is the biggest mistake they have made,and they been and still are over charging,and morrison is thinking the same way,over charging is why all the ship repairers have gone,
exxon man, fawley thats old figures fawley was built to only refine heavy crude oil from the middle east.fawley also now take the sludge left overs from other refinery,s and send it though the residfiner plant that was built in 89-90.
Andy, Locks Heath says...
8:44am Wed 20 Aug 08
northy, baddesley says...
11:04am Wed 20 Aug 08
Always interested in your input which at least is invariably accurate.
Like you I am entertained by Southeys posts but often irritated by the 50% of his wildy incorrect facts. It's a shame as the man has a wide general knowledge of marine matters but his attention to detail is often very poor.
By the way the Fawley throughput last year was approx 23 million tonnes. This comes from a variety of sources including the Middle east and the North Sea
So Southeys assertion that Fawley only takes sludge from other refineries is another one of his pipedreams (if you will excuse the pun)
On the subject of Oil terminals dont forget BP at Hamble. There is no refinery there (unlike Fawley) but it does receive significant volumes of oil by pipeline from Wytch Farm in Dorset.The raw product is then loaded onto relatively large tankers.
old dockie, in retirement says...
11:14am Wed 20 Aug 08
southy wrote:Southey
jacky wyatt once told me in the mid 60's,that most goods will come and go in container boxes,then not long before he retired he said,f ships get to big they will not be able to come to this port,there is a max limit to size for every dock and harbour,those of you who work in the docks know who jack wyatt is and what his job was, and he was a well respected man
I worked in rthe docks as a temp and rdw for over 50 yrs and have never heard of jacky wyatt. who was the man?
southy, redbridge says...
1:58pm Wed 20 Aug 08
andy it was number one it might be again when the the middle east gets back into full production,at the moment most of there refinery work is refining sluge left overs from other refinery,s,bp across the way is only storage tanks fawley also pumps into there.at milford-on-heaven there are 2 refinery,s and grangemouth oil there is pump in from the north sea oil fields and it recieves tankers..
the EA do andy the goverment has giving the powers to say what happens and what dont happen,they have controll out to the country limits,to me this is wrong.how it works if local permission is refuse then that company go to main goverment, goverment them ask EA and thats where it stops.
jacko, southampton says...
3:09pm Wed 20 Aug 08
Also the light crude oil that do get dischaged at Fawley is not for Esso.It gets pump over to Hamble storage tanks to be pick up and taken else where to be refine.Fawley refinery can't refine light crude.The pressure's and heat is different.The residentfinder plant is one off 3 plants world wide,It can crack the sludge that hard that only a white powder is left,The powder that is left is taken away by rail tanker to a concrete mixing plant.
Andy, Locks Heath says...
3:30pm Wed 20 Aug 08
jacko wrote:That's a very interesting post Jacko. What you are saying is that as the more popular light crudes gets scarcer, the heavier high sulphur crudes will become more dominant and Fawley will become more strategically important? I am surprised at your white poweder residue information too, as I have never seen powder carrier wagons on the Fawley branch - the only vehicles I have seen at the Fawley end are crude tankers in from Holybourne, and gas oil and bitumen out, but all other flows now by road or pipeline. Can you give more details? cheers!
<font size="1"> What southy did not tell you,That the EA is run by a load of green's.
Also the light crude oil that do get dischaged at Fawley is not for Esso.It gets pump over to Hamble storage tanks to be pick up and taken else where to be refine.Fawley refinery can't refine light crude.The pressure's and heat is different.The residentfinder plant is one off 3 plants world wide,It can crack the sludge that hard that only a white powder is left,The powder that is left is taken away by rail tanker to a concrete mixing plant. </font>
jacko, southampton says...
4:08pm Wed 20 Aug 08
paddyworksontherailr
oad, Alton says...
9:37pm Wed 20 Aug 08
jacko, southampton says...
12:24am Thu 21 Aug 08
paddyworksontherailroad wrote:Don't look like you been in there very much.Or you been walking around with your eyes shut.
I've been in and out of Fawley for years and not seen any white powder rail wagons. As Andy says, Crude from Holybourne, Gasoil to railway depots and Bitumen to Brum - that's it, nothing else.
And the high octane,LPG tanks wangon's and it's only 1 powder wagon a mt
paddyworksonthe railroad, Alton says...
8:13pm Thu 21 Aug 08
jacko wrote:The LPG tanks. Would they would be the ones stored for 10 years and then scrapped between Nov 2006 and April 2007?
paddyworksontherailroad wrote: I've been in and out of Fawley for years and not seen any white powder rail wagons. As Andy says, Crude from Holybourne, Gasoil to railway depots and Bitumen to Brum - that's it, nothing else.Don't look like you been in there very much.Or you been walking around with your eyes shut. And the high octane,LPG tanks wangon's and it's only 1 powder wagon a mt
If there was anything like a powder wagon coming out of Fawley I'd know. If I didn't deal with it personally, then one of the other guys would, and the railway bush telegraph would go into meltdown.
southy, redbridge says...
8:35pm Thu 21 Aug 08
musher, totton says...
9:38pm Thu 21 Aug 08
southy, redbridge says...
10:59pm Thu 21 Aug 08
musher, totton says...
10:21pm Fri 22 Aug 08
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Wild William, Millbrook isolation says...
5:19pm Tue 19 Aug 08
think te picture is of the ship going thro the big lock in bristol or london