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Poortvliet bolsters defence
11:47am Thursday 21st August 2008
Comments (67)
By Adrian Kajumba »
JAN Poortvliet has moved quickly to bolster his defence following the departure of Andrew Davies by capturing teenage Chelsea defender Jack Cork on-loan.
Saints have reportedly beaten off competition from Championship rivals Sheffield Wednesday and SPL outfit Aberdeen to sign the 19 year-old until New Years Day.
England U19 international Cork, the younger son of former Wimbledon player Alan, can play anywhere across the back. He has also been used as a holding midfielder during loan spells with Scunthorpe and Bournemouth.
He spent the last season on loan at Scunthorpe and played in their 1-0 defeat at St Mary's in January.
Cork, who trained with his new team-mates this morning, will wear the number 30 shirt vacated by Youseff Safri.
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mullingar, says...
11:56am Thu 21 Aug 08
How long for?
mullingar, says...
11:59am Thu 21 Aug 08
mullingar wrote:Story has been updated now - answers my question!
How long for?
Hopefully will turn out to be a good signing.
allsaintsnocurves, southampton says...
12:05pm Thu 21 Aug 08
How is a loan signing till January really helping us? What it does say is Lancashire and Thomas are not good enough as support for Perry and Svennson...but is this Cork any better? He can also play as a holding midfielder...isn't that why Wotton was brought in?
If Cork has been signed on loan with a view to a possible signing if he can be afforded then I think it's a good move.
Saints are going to struggle though without another proven goal scorer in this division. John can score goals but we don't have anyone experienced upfront on the bench...someone like Dean Windass is what we need.
If we get Ian Harte in as a left back I think this will signal the end of Surman at the club. He will not be needed as we have Holmes, and Skacel still...and he can get us the bigger transfer fee. Probably 3 million is what we'll get for him.
If Cork has been signed on loan with a view to a possible signing if he can be afforded then I think it's a good move.
Saints are going to struggle though without another proven goal scorer in this division. John can score goals but we don't have anyone experienced upfront on the bench...someone like Dean Windass is what we need.
If we get Ian Harte in as a left back I think this will signal the end of Surman at the club. He will not be needed as we have Holmes, and Skacel still...and he can get us the bigger transfer fee. Probably 3 million is what we'll get for him.
Anon, says...
12:10pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Amazing signing, fair play Saints, lets see if we can get Ian Harte too.
Stoke, hurry up and bid for Kelvin Davis.
Stoke, hurry up and bid for Kelvin Davis.
Saint Ben, Basingstoke says...
12:14pm Thu 21 Aug 08
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
How is a loan signing till January really helping us? What it does say is Lancashire and Thomas are not good enough as support for Perry and Svennson...but is this Cork any better? He can also play as a holding midfielder...isn't that why Wotton was brought in? If Cork has been signed on loan with a view to a possible signing if he can be afforded then I think it's a good move. Saints are going to struggle though without another proven goal scorer in this division. John can score goals but we don't have anyone experienced upfront on the bench...someone like Dean Windass is what we need. If we get Ian Harte in as a left back I think this will signal the end of Surman at the club. He will not be needed as we have Holmes, and Skacel still...and he can get us the bigger transfer fee. Probably 3 million is what we'll get for him.
I think we've brought Cork in because he can play in most positions in Midfield and defence... This could be a good piece of business, especially as we've got a fairly thin squad and a few utility players (Wotton etc..)could be the key...
yougottalaff, far far away says...
12:17pm Thu 21 Aug 08
The Press have reported this wrong....when they heard we were signing Cork, they automatically assumed it was Jack Cork, whereas everyone knows we need an experienced Striker and in reality all we can afford is his dad, Alan Cork! ;)
Simon, Salisbury says...
12:19pm Thu 21 Aug 08
He can play anywhere along the back so I would think he is a full back to replace Surman when he goes or at right back where we are weak. I would think he is not a direct replacement for Davies as if Killer is unfit then Thomas will play.
Where has this Harte story come from?
Where has this Harte story come from?
Chris, EASTLEIGH says...
12:21pm Thu 21 Aug 08
OH WOO FUDGING HOO............ THATS THE ANSWER ISN'T IT...HELP DEVELOP SOME OTHER TEAMS YOUNG PLAYERS AND SELL ALL OURS .. NICE ONE
David Fitzpatrick, Blackfield, Southampton says...
12:22pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Pleased with this signing, sounds like a very good prospect. The Daily Star says that Harte is training with us. Also there are people with inside info on this story. Regarding the possible striker signing how about Hasselbaink or Kluivert?? on a free although wages could be an issue.
Andy, Chapel Stand says...
12:25pm Thu 21 Aug 08
The reason Cork has been brought in is because he can play anywhere across the back. I guess the reason he is only on loan until January will be to see if he is any good and from the players point of view, if he is getting games. Skacel would be the left back if he is not sold which means Surman and Holmes down the left. Harte would be a good signing too as long as the wages fit. That would mean 4 players on the left side which is what we need. A right back ( as cover) and a decent striker that will net 20+ goals is a necessity if we are going to do anything this season and PLEASE get a new experienced keeper and get rid of Davis. It's no coincidence that whenever he plays we leak goals badly. He cannot organise the back four despite being a good shot stopper. Fans need to be patient as this re-building process will not happen over night. It may take a season or two for us to get a strong promotion winning team but until then we should enjoy the games and get behind the team. Finally a prayer to the big man upstairs.... PLEASE let a rich tycoon come in and buy our club from the Devil.....
saint steve, southampton says...
12:26pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Good signing. Shame though it isn't for the intire season, but hopefully if he does well it can be extended. Hope fully we can bring in Ian Harte & a sriker with experience soon (who's Hasselbaink playing for now?) Looks like Davis is gonna be the next to go, hope this means we won't flog Surman or John. If John goes we will be f**cked! COYR!
AFCB_FAN, Hampshire says...
12:26pm Thu 21 Aug 08
As a Bournemouth supporter I remember Cork when he spent a loan spell with us. Excellent player, more offensive than defensive I would say. So I hope you use him in that guise. Should do well for you and was always a class or two above when he was playing with us.
Laughing Lil, Somewhere over the rainbow says...
12:29pm Thu 21 Aug 08
David Fitzpatrick wrote:"how about Hasselbaink or Kluivert?? on a free although wages could be an issue."
Pleased with this signing, sounds like a very good prospect. The Daily Star says that Harte is training with us. Also there are people with inside info on this story. Regarding the possible striker signing how about Hasselbaink or Kluivert?? on a free although wages could be an issue.
Doesn't hurt to aim high, eh?!
Jason, Salisbury says...
12:35pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Good signing, we need some more young players to add to our aging, highly experienced squad.
Going Down With Lowe Again, says...
12:36pm Thu 21 Aug 08
How do people say "good signing" when until yesterday nobody would of heard of him ?
SaintJohn, Southampton says...
12:37pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Terrible loan signing. We should of taken Terry or Shevchenko from Chelsea instead.
Also is there any truth about Maloney from Villa coming on loan
Also is there any truth about Maloney from Villa coming on loan
Pundit, says...
12:46pm Thu 21 Aug 08
These are Saints defensive options as it stands:
Right Back: Lloyd James (a midfielder) Jamie Hatch (often injured youth team player)
Centre Back: Michael Svensson (great player, but we all still hold our breath whenever he goes to ground). Chris Perry. Wayne Thomas (who looks to be offloaded). Ollie Lancashire (often injured). Jack Cork.
Left Back: Andrew Surman (a midfielder) Rudi Skacel (going to be sold, or shot, whatevers cheapest).
Errrr, we need full backs!!! How hard can it be to find a dedicated left back or right back ??
The trouble with "versatile players" is they are just not that good in one position, hence why they play all over the shop to fill in temporary.
Right Back: Lloyd James (a midfielder) Jamie Hatch (often injured youth team player)
Centre Back: Michael Svensson (great player, but we all still hold our breath whenever he goes to ground). Chris Perry. Wayne Thomas (who looks to be offloaded). Ollie Lancashire (often injured). Jack Cork.
Left Back: Andrew Surman (a midfielder) Rudi Skacel (going to be sold, or shot, whatevers cheapest).
Errrr, we need full backs!!! How hard can it be to find a dedicated left back or right back ??
The trouble with "versatile players" is they are just not that good in one position, hence why they play all over the shop to fill in temporary.
ron westcott, bassett says...
12:46pm Thu 21 Aug 08
We had Cork on loan at Bournemouth and at that age he was in the same class as the young Rio Ferdinand & Jermaine Defoe. He is a future England prospect can play in defence or midfield and has a football brain.
You have landed on your feet.
You have landed on your feet.
mullingar, says...
12:55pm Thu 21 Aug 08
SaintJohn wrote:Maloney is home sick in Birmingham and wants to go back to Glasgow - can't really see him liking Southmapton then!
Terrible loan signing. We should of taken Terry or Shevchenko from Chelsea instead. Also is there any truth about Maloney from Villa coming on loan
George Agdgdgwngo, says...
12:55pm Thu 21 Aug 08
The club should accumulate some monies and buy Theo Walcott, Gareth Bale and Kenwyne Jones back.
Andy, Chapel Stand says...
12:55pm Thu 21 Aug 08
SaintJohn wrote:Yeh I've herd the Maloney thing from afew sources.
Terrible loan signing. We should of taken Terry or Shevchenko from Chelsea instead.
Also is there any truth about Maloney from Villa coming on loan
GullibleDinlo, says...
12:59pm Thu 21 Aug 08
yougottalaff wrote:If this turns out to be true I am going to be so angry with Lowe. I expect they thought we wouldn't notice. Idiots.
The Press have reported this wrong....when they heard we were signing Cork, they automatically assumed it was Jack Cork, whereas everyone knows we need an experienced Striker and in reality all we can afford is his dad, Alan Cork! ;)
Nit Picking, says...
1:01pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Going Down With Lowe Again wrote:How or why?
How do people say "good signing" when until yesterday nobody would of heard of him ?
pepe, says...
1:06pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Can't Lowe afford to buy a new shirt?
N, says...
1:18pm Thu 21 Aug 08
This young lad sounds like he could be a good stopper, and will bung the holes at the back.
N, says...
1:21pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Sounds like he will be used as a floating defender, maybe he can have a word with Wayne, to get him on loan, to Bridge the gap.
Mike, Hythe says...
1:28pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Sounds like a step in the right direction
A mate of mine said he's see Ricardo Vaz Te at Staplewood. Should be interesting if true.
A mate of mine said he's see Ricardo Vaz Te at Staplewood. Should be interesting if true.
threestands, Bournemouth says...
1:30pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Going Down With Lowe Again wrote:Makes a change from the negative cr@p you spew forth on a regular basis. Go away.
How do people say "good signing" when until yesterday nobody would of heard of him ?
Saint Ash, Redbridge says...
1:37pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Laughing Lil wrote:Ummmmmm, dont mean to p1ss on your parade lad's, but WE'VE GOT NO MONEY!
David Fitzpatrick wrote: Pleased with this signing, sounds like a very good prospect. The Daily Star says that Harte is training with us. Also there are people with inside info on this story. Regarding the possible striker signing how about Hasselbaink or Kluivert?? on a free although wages could be an issue."how about Hasselbaink or Kluivert?? on a free although wages could be an issue." Doesn't hurt to aim high, eh?!
Lets not make silly comments about Hasselbaink and the like.
Insider, says...
1:58pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Saint Ash wrote:I walked past Lowes office today and definately heard the words Hassle and Bank.
Laughing Lil wrote:Ummmmmm, dont mean to p1ss on your parade lad's, but WE'VE GOT NO MONEY! Lets not make silly comments about Hasselbaink and the like.David Fitzpatrick wrote: Pleased with this signing, sounds like a very good prospect. The Daily Star says that Harte is training with us. Also there are people with inside info on this story. Regarding the possible striker signing how about Hasselbaink or Kluivert?? on a free although wages could be an issue."how about Hasselbaink or Kluivert?? on a free although wages could be an issue." Doesn't hurt to aim high, eh?!
COYR08, says...
2:02pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Insider wrote:VERY GOOD...LOL
Saint Ash wrote:I walked past Lowes office today and definately heard the words Hassle and Bank.Laughing Lil wrote:Ummmmmm, dont mean to p1ss on your parade lad\'s, but WE\'VE GOT NO MONEY! Lets not make silly comments about Hasselbaink and the like.David Fitzpatrick wrote: Pleased with this signing, sounds like a very good prospect. The Daily Star says that Harte is training with us. Also there are people with inside info on this story. Regarding the possible striker signing how about Hasselbaink or Kluivert?? on a free although wages could be an issue.\"how about Hasselbaink or Kluivert?? on a free although wages could be an issue.\" Doesn\'t hurt to aim high, eh?!
Outsider, says...
2:05pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Insider wrote:Good one.
Saint Ash wrote:I walked past Lowes office today and definately heard the words Hassle and Bank.Laughing Lil wrote:Ummmmmm, dont mean to p1ss on your parade lad's, but WE'VE GOT NO MONEY! Lets not make silly comments about Hasselbaink and the like.David Fitzpatrick wrote: Pleased with this signing, sounds like a very good prospect. The Daily Star says that Harte is training with us. Also there are people with inside info on this story. Regarding the possible striker signing how about Hasselbaink or Kluivert?? on a free although wages could be an issue."how about Hasselbaink or Kluivert?? on a free although wages could be an issue." Doesn't hurt to aim high, eh?!
Not long after, I overheard the word Kaka. Then Andrew Cowen walked out Rupert's office holding a nappy.
bobsey, Southampton says...
2:07pm today Thu 21 Aug 08
After watching Sats game against Birmingham we need Richard Wright back as soon as. The goalkeeping was very poor. Kelvin Davies has cost us 3 points already this season, how many more are we going to throwaway before he's changed.
alans, eastleigh says...
2:17pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Hate to p1ss on your parade bobsey but wright has signed for Ipswich so thats a none starter. According to the GOAL website Saints are interested in Signing Landon Donavan from LA Galaxy, really good player but getting on a bit
Major Sir Jerry Pending, Winchester says...
2:30pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Saints wheeling out the old "beaten off stiff competition" spin again I see. Load of tosh to make it sound like we've pulled off a master stroke.
We need two decent full backs - what's Phil Ifil doinf these days? Surely we could afford a couple of hundred K to get him from Colchester? More useful to the team than Pulis's nipper surely.
We need two decent full backs - what's Phil Ifil doinf these days? Surely we could afford a couple of hundred K to get him from Colchester? More useful to the team than Pulis's nipper surely.
Mick, Southampton says...
2:56pm Thu 21 Aug 08
alans wrote:Whereabouts on the site as i can find no reference to it.
Hate to p1ss on your parade bobsey but wright has signed for Ipswich so thats a none starter. According to the GOAL website Saints are interested in Signing Landon Donavan from LA Galaxy, really good player but getting on a bit
Also, why on earth would he want to leave a club in LA where he is loved and still starting for, to come to a sinking ship like Saints. Dont get me wrong, i love the club, but can we please make some realistic comments here.
DJI, Kingsland says...
3:03pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Major Sir Jerry Pending wrote:For the record Major, one of my colleagues is a Chelsea fan and when I mentioned Jack Cork to him, he immediately said "You did well, we had a few clubs interested in him"! So try not to be so sceptical, despite the reasons you may have been given to be so, in the past.
Saints wheeling out the old "beaten off stiff competition" spin again I see. Load of tosh to make it sound like we've pulled off a master stroke.
We need two decent full backs - what's Phil Ifil doinf these days? Surely we could afford a couple of hundred K to get him from Colchester? More useful to the team than Pulis's nipper surely.
Jesus_02, Kingsland says...
3:19pm Thu 21 Aug 08
What is worrying me is that Rupert Lowe keeps making the same mistakes as he did before he resigned.
I have to admit that Im not a fan of the guy, but things would be so much better if he stuck to what he says is his plan.
If we are going with youth then dont sell young talented players for a lot less than their market value.
If are to survive, being forever a selling club ( at tactic that has shown hansom dividends for Darlington) then why loan players, pay their wages and develop them just so Chelsea can sell them on for a small profit.
This guy Cork may well be able to cope in this division, but will he ever play for Chelsea? No they will sell him to a Championship side for about 1m, just like Arsenal do every year.
A final thought, another two midfielders, why?
Its a trademark of the teams that Lowe likes to build. You can buy them cheap and put them on Lowe wages.
He would rather have 4 players on 3k a week than have two on 6k.
We now have 11 midfielders
The problem is that if one of the 3k a week players gets any good you either have to sell him or give him more money either way you are back at square one team wise. If none of the 4 3k players gets good then there is no competition no-one improves and you go down. Just look at the amount of midfielders we had the season we where relagated
I have to admit that Im not a fan of the guy, but things would be so much better if he stuck to what he says is his plan.
If we are going with youth then dont sell young talented players for a lot less than their market value.
If are to survive, being forever a selling club ( at tactic that has shown hansom dividends for Darlington) then why loan players, pay their wages and develop them just so Chelsea can sell them on for a small profit.
This guy Cork may well be able to cope in this division, but will he ever play for Chelsea? No they will sell him to a Championship side for about 1m, just like Arsenal do every year.
A final thought, another two midfielders, why?
Its a trademark of the teams that Lowe likes to build. You can buy them cheap and put them on Lowe wages.
He would rather have 4 players on 3k a week than have two on 6k.
We now have 11 midfielders
The problem is that if one of the 3k a week players gets any good you either have to sell him or give him more money either way you are back at square one team wise. If none of the 4 3k players gets good then there is no competition no-one improves and you go down. Just look at the amount of midfielders we had the season we where relagated
Saint Ben, Basingstoke says...
3:24pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Why does everyone who comments on here always moan and complain about everythnig that happen at the club?? (apologises to those few who are positive!) But why don;t we AS FANS try and look at the positives and just let this team get on with it?? Only yesterday i was reading moans about how we haven;t signed anyone... we now sign what looks to be a highly rated player from a top team, and yet more moans!! With fans like this, who the hell needs the Pompey Scum!!??!!? (rant over)
leesaint, hideousblueworld says...
3:37pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Midfielder though is he not. We are not going to start that old GB thing of playing everyone out of position are we. Hope he is a good defensive right back as we desperately need one. How about 5-3-2 at Derby then Jan as we seem to be a bit leaky at the back.
COYR
COYR
TRICKY, New Forest says...
4:15pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Good to see Saints signed Some one but on a 6 mounth loan, why not 1 year. Now all we need is a F****** good goal keeper ( Richard Wright ) and a proven goal scorer. Well done Jan.
Shazza, says...
4:23pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Saint Ben wrote:As a rule I never pay any attention to posts that include more than 10 exclamation marks / question marks in such a small space.
Why does everyone who comments on here always moan and complain about everythnig that happen at the club?? (apologises to those few who are positive!) But why don;t we AS FANS try and look at the positives and just let this team get on with it?? Only yesterday i was reading moans about how we haven;t signed anyone... we now sign what looks to be a highly rated player from a top team, and yet more moans!! With fans like this, who the hell needs the Pompey Scum!!??!!? (rant over)
Far too positive.
The reason why we are all so negative is that we have a firm grip on reality.
Rant over...for now
Costa Baz, says...
4:23pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Pundit wrote:"The trouble with "versatile players" is they are just not that good in one position, hence why they play all over the shop to fill in temporary."
These are Saints defensive options as it stands: Right Back: Lloyd James (a midfielder) Jamie Hatch (often injured youth team player) Centre Back: Michael Svensson (great player, but we all still hold our breath whenever he goes to ground). Chris Perry. Wayne Thomas (who looks to be offloaded). Ollie Lancashire (often injured). Jack Cork. Left Back: Andrew Surman (a midfielder) Rudi Skacel (going to be sold, or shot, whatevers cheapest). Errrr, we need full backs!!! How hard can it be to find a dedicated left back or right back ?? The trouble with \"versatile players\" is they are just not that good in one position, hence why they play all over the shop to fill in temporary.
I must admit I thought the same thing, but then I thought about players such as Martin Crainey, who I thought was a darned good CB, yet he was seldom played there, always as LB or RB, where he was inevitably cr@p. We could do with him now!!
The problem is, will he be played where he is best or will he just be used to fill any gap that appears, where he will be ineffective? Square peg in round hole syndrome?
Where some "versatile" players are concerned it seems that whenever they have a bad game they always say it's because they've been played out of position. Then one day you realise that they've used that excuse for every position they've played in! :-)
Heartening to see good comments from AFCB supporters, but need to take into consideration that they were playing at a lower level.
"Errrr, we need full backs!!! How hard can it be to find a dedicated left back or right back ??"
Agree again. Hope there is some truth in the Ian Harte rumour. I know he's been around for many years, but have a feeling he's still young enough to play for a few years and would take so much presure off of the centre backs.
One final point. Have any of the coaching team seen Cork play or are they acting on a recommendation?
Mick, Southampton says...
4:49pm Thu 21 Aug 08
TRICKY wrote:Why does everyone keep talking about the fact we should get Richard Wright. He signed for Ipswich during the summer! I for one thought Kelvin Davis kept us in the game at Cardiff. they could have had a hat full if it wasnt for him. And the same against Celtic (i know it was only a pre season game), but the guy had a stormer!!!
Good to see Saints signed Some one but on a 6 mounth loan, why not 1 year. Now all we need is a F****** good goal keeper ( Richard Wright ) and a proven goal scorer. Well done Jan.
Insider, says...
5:01pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Just walked past Ruperts office again and overhead the word "Seaman"...
Make up your own punchline
Make up your own punchline
Geoff, Netley says...
5:06pm Thu 21 Aug 08
David Fitzpatrick wrote:David - Re. Hasselbank and Kluivert have you just returned from another star system? or you perhaps your just having a laugh? we already can't afford to pay anybody over the age of three.
Pleased with this signing, sounds like a very good prospect. The Daily Star says that Harte is training with us. Also there are people with inside info on this story. Regarding the possible striker signing how about Hasselbaink or Kluivert?? on a free although wages could be an issue.
Jason, Salisbury says...
5:13pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Mick wrote:Can't deny the guy is a decent shot stopper at times and, like Paul Jones, in the TV highlights he's generally going to look OK.
TRICKY wrote:Why does everyone keep talking about the fact we should get Richard Wright. He signed for Ipswich during the summer! I for one thought Kelvin Davis kept us in the game at Cardiff. they could have had a hat full if it wasnt for him. And the same against Celtic (i know it was only a pre season game), but the guy had a stormer!!!
Good to see Saints signed Some one but on a 6 mounth loan, why not 1 year. Now all we need is a F****** good goal keeper ( Richard Wright ) and a proven goal scorer. Well done Jan.
But I think what people don't like about Davis is that some of those saves wouldn't be necessary if he commanded his box better, organised his defence and imposed himself and didn't cause unnecessary panic.
Yep, fitness has been an issue with us conceding late goals, but so has lack of understanding at the back and lack of confidence in the keeper's decision making.
In my opinion, having a vocal, dependable keeper would save us bags of goals.
Even with Andrew Davis or Daly at CB our defensive record was still poor all season last year regardless of personnel, until we changed the keeper in the last few weeks.
Maybe coincidence, but didn't our form dramatically improve the season before when Bart replaced Davis in goal and we made a late surge for the playoffs?
Bart's not the answer now (confidence is shot), but all the evidence points to our defense improving with Davis out of the side.
Wouldn't hate the guy or boo him as some have been guilty of doing in the past, but I'm far from convinced he should be our No1.
saints mad, says...
5:35pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Jason wrote:I partially agree,
Mick wrote:Can't deny the guy is a decent shot stopper at times and, like Paul Jones, in the TV highlights he's generally going to look OK.
TRICKY wrote:Why does everyone keep talking about the fact we should get Richard Wright. He signed for Ipswich during the summer! I for one thought Kelvin Davis kept us in the game at Cardiff. they could have had a hat full if it wasnt for him. And the same against Celtic (i know it was only a pre season game), but the guy had a stormer!!!
Good to see Saints signed Some one but on a 6 mounth loan, why not 1 year. Now all we need is a F****** good goal keeper ( Richard Wright ) and a proven goal scorer. Well done Jan.
But I think what people don't like about Davis is that some of those saves wouldn't be necessary if he commanded his box better, organised his defence and imposed himself and didn't cause unnecessary panic.
Yep, fitness has been an issue with us conceding late goals, but so has lack of understanding at the back and lack of confidence in the keeper's decision making.
In my opinion, having a vocal, dependable keeper would save us bags of goals.
Even with Andrew Davis or Daly at CB our defensive record was still poor all season last year regardless of personnel, until we changed the keeper in the last few weeks.
Maybe coincidence, but didn't our form dramatically improve the season before when Bart replaced Davis in goal and we made a late surge for the playoffs?
Bart's not the answer now (confidence is shot), but all the evidence points to our defense improving with Davis out of the side.
Wouldn't hate the guy or boo him as some have been guilty of doing in the past, but I'm far from convinced he should be our No1.
I dont think he should be our number one - but I still prefer him to bart (cant comment on forecast)
personally I think we were mad to get rid of paul smith! again a decent young(ish) keeper who's confidence was rocked.
we were also mad to get rid of David Coles! since h left the GK standard has definately slipped!
A decent shot stopper is not always a decent keeper - organisation is half the battle!
Jesus_02, kingsland says...
5:43pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Jason wrote:I agree with pretty much evrything you have put. However I still think that Bart is worth a decent run in the side.
Mick wrote:Can't deny the guy is a decent shot stopper at times and, like Paul Jones, in the TV highlights he's generally going to look OK. But I think what people don't like about Davis is that some of those saves wouldn't be necessary if he commanded his box better, organised his defence and imposed himself and didn't cause unnecessary panic. Yep, fitness has been an issue with us conceding late goals, but so has lack of understanding at the back and lack of confidence in the keeper's decision making. In my opinion, having a vocal, dependable keeper would save us bags of goals. Even with Andrew Davis or Daly at CB our defensive record was still poor all season last year regardless of personnel, until we changed the keeper in the last few weeks. Maybe coincidence, but didn't our form dramatically improve the season before when Bart replaced Davis in goal and we made a late surge for the playoffs? Bart's not the answer now (confidence is shot), but all the evidence points to our defense improving with Davis out of the side. Wouldn't hate the guy or boo him as some have been guilty of doing in the past, but I'm far from convinced he should be our No1.TRICKY wrote: Good to see Saints signed Some one but on a 6 mounth loan, why not 1 year. Now all we need is a F****** good goal keeper ( Richard Wright ) and a proven goal scorer. Well done Jan.Why does everyone keep talking about the fact we should get Richard Wright. He signed for Ipswich during the summer! I for one thought Kelvin Davis kept us in the game at Cardiff. they could have had a hat full if it wasnt for him. And the same against Celtic (i know it was only a pre season game), but the guy had a stormer!!!
He has made some errors (or he has taken the blame)but he will improve given an extended chance.
Condor Man, Southampton says...
5:45pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Sadly David Coles was surplus to requirements when Burley came in and brought Malcolm Webster with him. Look at how David James improved and Jamie Ashdown to that matter compared to what happened to Paul Smith. I don't think Bart has improved at all and wouldn't be surprised if he moved on.
Andy P, Bitterne says...
5:47pm Thu 21 Aug 08
saints mad wrote:
Jason wrote:I partially agree, I dont think he should be our number one - but I still prefer him to bart (cant comment on forecast) personally I think we were mad to get rid of paul smith! again a decent young(ish) keeper who's confidence was rocked. we were also mad to get rid of David Coles! since h left the GK standard has definately slipped! A decent shot stopper is not always a decent keeper - organisation is half the battle!Mick wrote:Can't deny the guy is a decent shot stopper at times and, like Paul Jones, in the TV highlights he's generally going to look OK. But I think what people don't like about Davis is that some of those saves wouldn't be necessary if he commanded his box better, organised his defence and imposed himself and didn't cause unnecessary panic. Yep, fitness has been an issue with us conceding late goals, but so has lack of understanding at the back and lack of confidence in the keeper's decision making. In my opinion, having a vocal, dependable keeper would save us bags of goals. Even with Andrew Davis or Daly at CB our defensive record was still poor all season last year regardless of personnel, until we changed the keeper in the last few weeks. Maybe coincidence, but didn't our form dramatically improve the season before when Bart replaced Davis in goal and we made a late surge for the playoffs? Bart's not the answer now (confidence is shot), but all the evidence points to our defense improving with Davis out of the side. Wouldn't hate the guy or boo him as some have been guilty of doing in the past, but I'm far from convinced he should be our No1.TRICKY wrote: Good to see Saints signed Some one but on a 6 mounth loan, why not 1 year. Now all we need is a F****** good goal keeper ( Richard Wright ) and a proven goal scorer. Well done Jan.Why does everyone keep talking about the fact we should get Richard Wright. He signed for Ipswich during the summer! I for one thought Kelvin Davis kept us in the game at Cardiff. they could have had a hat full if it wasnt for him. And the same against Celtic (i know it was only a pre season game), but the guy had a stormer!!!
David Coles is the reason why James is now Englands No1,and the reason why pompey did well last season.
Does anyone know why he left,l suspect that clueless tosser Lowe had something to do with it.
saints mad, says...
5:49pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Condor Man wrote:whenever I see saints warm up and see malcolm webster - I cant see how he inspires the keepers? he doesn't look bothered!
Sadly David Coles was surplus to requirements when Burley came in and brought Malcolm Webster with him. Look at how David James improved and Jamie Ashdown to that matter compared to what happened to Paul Smith. I don\\\'t think Bart has improved at all and wouldn\\\'t be surprised if he moved on.
colesy was so enthusiastic! I gues just another of the dodgey old pals act from GB!
saints mad, says...
5:51pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Andy P wrote:
saints mad wrote:
Jason wrote:Mick wrote:Can't deny the guy is a decent shot stopper at times and, like Paul Jones, in the TV highlights he's generally going to look OK. But I think what people don't like about Davis is that some of those saves wouldn't be necessary if he commanded his box better, organised his defence and imposed himself and didn't cause unnecessary panic. Yep, fitness has been an issue with us conceding late goals, but so has lack of understanding at the back and lack of confidence in the keeper's decision making. In my opinion, having a vocal, dependable keeper would save us bags of goals. Even with Andrew Davis or Daly at CB our defensive record was still poor all season last year regardless of personnel,TRICKY wrote: Good to see Saints signed Some one but on a 6 mounth loan, why not 1 year. Now all we need is a F****** good goal keeper ( Richard Wright ) and a proven goal scorer. Well done Jan.Why does everyone keep talking about the fact we should get Richard Wright. He signed for Ipswich during the summer! I for one thought Kelvin Davis kept us in the game at Cardiff. they could have had a hat full if it wasnt for him. And the same against Celtic (i know it was only a pre season game), but the guy had a stormer!!!
SEAN, southampton says...
11:53am Thu 21 Aug 08