If we are paying them so much, might as well use them, but they ain't much good. However it is already apparent we do need stiffening up at both full back positions where those two have experience. If They do well perhaps Rupes get sell come January.

Back home to his horses.... He won't be back to watch the saints though, some fan. I'm glad your out though mick, just a bit disappointed you don't show as much love for the saints that named a suite after you.

That could have been the excuse for Skacel and Euell, but what about Thomas and BWP? Seems to me these players are not getting a game or a place on the bench because it means they get paid appearance fees etc. Which begs the question, is Lowe telling the manager which players he can and can't pick? We will see.

Saint Stan wrote:
That could have been the excuse for Skacel and Euell, but what about Thomas and BWP? Seems to me these players are not getting a game or a place on the bench because it means they get paid appearance fees etc. Which begs the question, is Lowe telling the manager which players he can and can't pick? We will see.

That might be a valid point but for the fact that Thomas played against Birmingham the other night. Don't let the facts get in the way of your anti Lowe rants though.

It was clear during the Blackpool game that Svensson has no pace so perhaps pair Perry with Thomas for the time being. BWP deserves a chance to see if he can do something now his court case has been dropped. Euell played well at the end of last season and Skacel was better than Surman at left back.

So no other club took a punt, on these players .
umm , maybe they should look at themselves and ask WHY.
ARE YOU READING RUDI ETC .

Chester The Jester wrote:

Saint Stan wrote: That could have been the excuse for Skacel and Euell, but what about Thomas and BWP? Seems to me these players are not getting a game or a place on the bench because it means they get paid appearance fees etc. Which begs the question, is Lowe telling the manager which players he can and can't pick? We will see.

That might be a valid point but for the fact that Thomas played against Birmingham the other night. Don't let the facts get in the way of your anti Lowe rants though.

Yes he did and he played well. So why not even on the bench against Blackpool?

Or was it because contract payments for league cup appearances are a lot less than for Championship games?

Don't let any facts get in the way of your love for all things Rupert.

It's obvious that it's Lowe doing the buying and selling.Remember JP said he didn't know anything about the Davis transfer.
If he decides who's in the squad he is more or less picking the team.So Lowe is still interfering.Hasn't he learnt anything?

Skacel started his carear as a left back. Holmes will keep his place which frees surman up to take the centre mid role back that he is better than Gillet in. It will be god to see what pork fillet can get out of Euell and Skacel. I think he will do better than Burley did, his man management skills seem much more nurturing and disciplined.

Saint Stan - do you have ANY evidence that those players get bigger appearance bonuses than anyone else? Or that their League Cup bonuses would be lower than Championship ones? No? Then shut up. It's tedious.

Dave - If the board decide who's in the squad, they're more or less picking the team, are they? And black is white, up is down and you're an intelligent, thoughtful poster. Er ...

I'm no Lowe-lover, but really, these idiots are just scraping the barrel.

J wrote:
Saint Stan - do you have ANY evidence that those players get bigger appearance bonuses than anyone else? Or that their League Cup bonuses would be lower than Championship ones? No? Then shut up. It's tedious. Dave - If the board decide who's in the squad, they're more or less picking the team, are they? And black is white, up is down and you're an intelligent, thoughtful poster. Er ... I'm no Lowe-lover, but really, these idiots are just scraping the barrel.

That's a bit sad that my views upset you so much. Lucky we live in a society where people can say what they want (within reason), so I will not shut up.

Based upon what's happened with team selections thus far, I happen to think it's reasonable to assume that factors other than football ones are involved in team selection.

That maybe "idiotic" to you, but then I suspect you are just as blinkered as those you wish to deride.

I agree with Dave it seems as if somebody other than JP (not necessarily Lowe0)has had a hand in buying these players. This can not continue clubs that opperate in this way invariably struggle along with no clear picture in mind as to what they want to achieve. It makes you wonder if all the saints players are managers choices after all. And for **** sake will somebody please tell me why we signed Antony Pulis and how he fits with a total football system.

Hopefully these players will have a long hard look at themselves and realise that nobady wanted them due to poor performances. Maybe just maybe this will get them to buck their ideas up and along with the good coaching of Jan they will improve. If they are playing well it can only help our cause!?

COYR

SFC4EVA wrote:
Hopefully these players will have a long hard look at themselves and realise that nobady wanted them due to poor performances. Maybe just maybe this will get them to buck their ideas up and along with the good coaching of Jan they will improve. If they are playing well it can only help our cause!? COYR

Completely agree, its time they let their feet do the talking. Fingers crossed in a couple of months we might be saying thank god we kept them

Why does The Echo keep refering to Saints players as "stars". We just don't have any stars these days. Get a grip.

Denzil wrote:
Back home to his horses.... He won\'t be back to watch the saints though, some fan. I\'m glad your out though mick, just a bit disappointed you don\'t show as much love for the saints that named a suite after you.

Still having a go at Mick Channon Denzil. Is this just a follow-up to your sick comments when he had his accident?

Had it never crossed your tiny mind that, being involved with training race horses, he could be otherwise engaged on a Saturday?

I'd like to see Skacel given a chance again...

Meantime, have you registered yet at this new Saints site?
http://ohwhenthesain
ts.forumotion.net/fo
rum.htm

Jannersaint wrote:
Skacel started his carear as a left back. Holmes will keep his place which frees surman up to take the centre mid role back that he is better than Gillet in. It will be god to see what pork fillet can get out of Euell and Skacel. I think he will do better than Burley did, his man management skills seem much more nurturing and disciplined.

Sorry I think that Gillet ( apart from Blackpool) has been outstanding this term - I don't think Surman would necessary do any better there in this league.

OK, Stan, apologies. I just get fed up with how EVERY story gets twisted into an anti-Lowe rant. Blinkered, as you say.

I assume bonuses are related to the salary, so I can well imagine that your theory might explain why Skacel and Euell and BWP haven't been played. But is Thomas really a high earner? I always forget that we paid a million for him. I always think of him as a squad player.

Of those mentioned I would particularly like to see Rudi given a go. I really think that JPV’s tactics will suite him and he works well with Surman at left mid.

While BWP has his merits I don’t think that he will be as good a DM has been so far, bringing BWP in at this stage would damage DM’s development. We should look to loan out BWP (it might give him the kick in the backside he needs)

Euell I’m afraid, simply does not have the touch or passing ability to play in the style that JPV wants

That leaves Thomas who is excellent cover at centre back and good cover at right back

I think it is fair to say that these lads are getting appearance fees in both the League and Cup, but slightly less or nothing for the Carling Cup.
Im not a Lowe basher nor do I like him that much but I think what he has done in balancing the books plus bringing in 10 people has to have some sort of credit to him.

Rudi Skacel was sent out on loan from January 08 and perhaps we said that we would not pay his wages while he was on loan.
It seems to me that he, like Rasiak does have an appearance fee set in his contract.
Why else play Surman who is NOT a left back, or a very good cover either, rather than Skacel who did start his career in this position, even if he did move to winger.
If Rudi does not play, they cannot say he is not fit as that would put a dent into how much these lads actually train.

Rasiak is the better striker, yet we keep hold of John. Again, he was signed at a time we were looking to bounce back up to the Prem, which would say that John was not offered an appearance fee in his contract.
BwP is too young and at the time, to in-experianced to warrant having the luxury of an appearance fee written to his signing contract. So he has been left out because of the Court hearing etc, even though Dyer had the same thing over his head, BwP is more of a gamble to start as we rely on him to score, Dyer is there to use his pace and beat defenders. not much of a pressure when you are naturally gifted with pace.

Thomas would not have this kind of contract, he was not transfered from a club that made him look like he was John Terry!
Thomas is just dump. He had a great start with us, about 10 good games, then was put at right back and looked like he had lost any good in him to move back to CB.
He looks very lazy, and with his height and position, he also DOES NOT JUMP for headers! He cant tackle and that is why we have Svensson who will go for everything and Perry who could on his appearances so far, still play a role in the Prem.

I believe Skacel, Rasiak, Saganowski, and Davis do have the Appearance Fee contracts, and that Davis only plays because the youngsters are to young to give them a run of games.
If Bialkowski or Forecast were to play 10 games on the spin and we lost 10 games by 2/3 goals, we would be in a huge mess and then have to recall Davis who would be laughing at the way he has been treated.
Bartman and Forecast are Very good Goalkeepers, but I think there is a fear of playing them and losing, but still feel some respect in giving them another go so as to not dent their confidence. So it is impossible to completely drop Davis out of fear.

Saga and Rasiak have been loaned out, thus saving money but Skacel, well we will have to see what happens with him.


Now to finish, this is my choice in line up -

....................

............Davis...

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.............
.Lancashire......Per

ry.......Svensson...

.............Cork.
....................

........Schneiderlin

....................

...........
...........Skacel...

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...........Holmes...

........
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...........Surman...

....................

............
....................

...John.............

BwP.................

...........

Subs - Forecast, Dyer, Gasmi, Gillet, Mcgoldrick

60th min - Gasmi - BwP (Gasmi goes to Centre Mid with Surman to create a 5 man midfield) now a 4-5-1 formation
75th min - Dyer - Lancashire ( Cork goes to right back with Surman filling in at left back) still a 4-5-1

I think this system will work for us rather than one upfront, and leave one upfront when we are defending a lead.
If we are defending the lead and an equaliser goes in, then we could then use the 3rd sub, McGoldrick to come on late in the 85th-90th min and recreate a 4-4-2 diamond shape midfield., and try to get a winner, while still defending the point.

Oops that formation looks dodgy! sorry

J wrote:
OK, Stan, apologies. I just get fed up with how EVERY story gets twisted into an anti-Lowe rant. Blinkered, as you say. I assume bonuses are related to the salary, so I can well imagine that your theory might explain why Skacel and Euell and BWP haven't been played. But is Thomas really a high earner? I always forget that we paid a million for him. I always think of him as a squad player.

I say - I like the cut of your jib. Its jolly good to know I've got some friends out there. Mind you if you were at the Blackpool thingie you could have poured me another glass of champagne whilst watching the racing/I mean football for all the those wonderful things I've given you and all those people dressed in fancy red and white shirts. It's not true I pick the team - I just whisper in Jan ear sometimes and say 'I just luv the way you do it' in a Barry White voice and tell him that if he just plays somebody else I'll get him a couple of easyjet tickets back to home. If he doesn't then Gary Glitter is back in town and I know he knows a thing or two about playing with kids. More champagne and whilst your down on the floor licking my boots .......

Apologies for this but some correspondents seem very dense - it has been obvious right from the start that Lowe selects players to come and go. JP clearly has no say, in fact he often admits he has no understanding of what is happening behind the scenes when it comes to transfers. The players who came in over the summer he could not have known anything about eg Wotton, Holmes and Schneiderling (after all he has never lived, played or managed in the UK) and most supporters had barely heard of them!
Now we have the likes of Pulis and Gasmi whose reputations are pretty downbeat at best. Lowe is going for youth because it is so much cheaper (from our own reserves) and less than spectacular when it is from elsewhere (tho' Holmes is an honourable exception so far)
JP was recruited because he was cheap, accepted up front that he would have only a head coach role (in exchange for what was for him a big increase in pay and status) and that Lowe had control over all signings and departures which no experienced British manager (except the most desperate) would accept
Get real out there and stop being surprised at Lowe's interventions. The real question is...who's advising him about players to bring in?

Exile, wrote:
Apologies for this but some correspondents seem very dense - it has been obvious right from the start that Lowe selects players to come and go. JP clearly has no say, in fact he often admits he has no understanding of what is happening behind the scenes when it comes to transfers. The players who came in over the summer he could not have known anything about eg Wotton, Holmes and Schneiderling (after all he has never lived, played or managed in the UK) and most supporters had barely heard of them! Now we have the likes of Pulis and Gasmi whose reputations are pretty downbeat at best. Lowe is going for youth because it is so much cheaper (from our own reserves) and less than spectacular when it is from elsewhere (tho' Holmes is an honourable exception so far) JP was recruited because he was cheap, accepted up front that he would have only a head coach role (in exchange for what was for him a big increase in pay and status) and that Lowe had control over all signings and departures which no experienced British manager (except the most desperate) would accept Get real out there and stop being surprised at Lowe's interventions. The real question is...who's advising him about players to bring in?

Proof please?

Exile, wrote:
Apologies for this but some correspondents seem very dense - it has been obvious right from the start that Lowe selects players to come and go. JP clearly has no say, in fact he often admits he has no understanding of what is happening behind the scenes when it comes to transfers. The players who came in over the summer he could not have known anything about eg Wotton, Holmes and Schneiderling (after all he has never lived, played or managed in the UK) and most supporters had barely heard of them! Now we have the likes of Pulis and Gasmi whose reputations are pretty downbeat at best. Lowe is going for youth because it is so much cheaper (from our own reserves) and less than spectacular when it is from elsewhere (tho\' Holmes is an honourable exception so far) JP was recruited because he was cheap, accepted up front that he would have only a head coach role (in exchange for what was for him a big increase in pay and status) and that Lowe had control over all signings and departures which no experienced British manager (except the most desperate) would accept Get real out there and stop being surprised at Lowe\'s interventions. The real question is...who\'s advising him about players to bring in?

Well if Lowe is THAT good a judge of player (Perry, Holmes, Wotton and Schneiderlin have all looked like good signings to me) then maybe we should stop complaining about him signing the players... after all he was widely accused of signing Crouch and Kenwyne as well.... (all of this is said with HEAVY irony BTW).

But IF Lowe was this good a judge of players

Schneiderlin
Holmes
Perry
Wotton
Kenwyne
Crouch
etc etc

then why oh why is he paying someone to manage the club when he -

- Mostly chooses the players to sign/sell
- An Interferance with Training (ask Strachan)
- Never allocates the funds anyway
- Approves the starting line up
- Gets his nose in on everything
- Ear marks loans
- Reveals everything wrong/right about us

- Loses patience with under achievers
- Opens his mouth to often
- Will be the main man until removed
- Earns too much for a club thats so skint!

Read the first letter each of quotes from above and it spells?.............
..

Tevs wrote:
But IF Lowe was this good a judge of players Schneiderlin Holmes Perry Wotton Kenwyne Crouch etc etc then why oh why is he paying someone to manage the club when he - - Mostly chooses the players to sign/sell - An Interferance with Training (ask Strachan) - Never allocates the funds anyway - Approves the starting line up - Gets his nose in on everything - Ear marks loans - Reveals everything wrong/right about us - Loses patience with under achievers - Opens his mouth to often - Will be the main man until removed - Earns too much for a club thats so skint! Read the first letter each of quotes from above and it spells?............. ..

BSHPWKC TC MANAGER LOWE RS???

I notice the with a smile on my face that artful dodger is dishing out intelligence advice again. He has been shown for the idiot he is on numerous occasions now, namely by happy gilmore.

Leave the advice on intelligence alone artful.
You only look more stupid.


Heres your last attempt at looking intelligent, that back fired on you.

Artful Dodger
you should also use a capital letter 'I' for the personal pronoun - not once, but twice.

I note that you are so ashamed of where you live, that you do not add your location after your 'name'. It is abundantly clear that your knowledge of Millbrook is on a par with you command of the written English. It is quite common for people, when they have lost an argument, or try to bluster their way through a subject of which they have limited knowledge, that they resort to abuse and name calling. I note that, once again, that is what you resort to. You will note that I do not called you names, or accused you of living in a rat infested slum or any of the other petty, childish things that you have claimed about the residents of Millbrook. I imagine that the reason must be because I am an adult, and you are an adolescent who likes to talk tough from behind a computer screen. If the country's future depends on persons like you, then we certainly have a tough time ahead.

Then gilmore said

Happy Gilmore
Please please, little Millbrook scum, if you attempt sarcasm, using the English language as a weapon or tool, at least have the intelligence to wield it, you sad pathetic little Millbrook filth.

Let me show why, for your grotty little benefit;

"on a par with you command of the written English".

I think you meant, your !

"You will note that I do not called you names".

I think you meant, call !

"If the country's future depends on persons like you".

Well, "persons" could be used in certain contexts, of a sentence, so you may have got away with that one. The trouble is fartful, due the syntax of your post and previous dribblings of yours, i think it's safe to say, you failed again.

I think we can see a pattern here.

You pull me up for not using a capital, and then make errors in your post.

You then go on to use abuse, then cry foul, because the low blow is returned.

You then harp on about me losing an arguement, because i use abuse (again, exactly like you) and fail to remember your previous dribble.

Gilmore could have also found mistakes in other parts of your post, but hey, i think we get the picture.

How can you have a positive professional atmosphere in a dressing room when Dyer and Phillips can still walk into St Mary's with their so called mates! They know the names of the thieves and also got off being prosecuted or getting a more serious charge because of clever barristers. I am sure that some of our players are not too happy about that along with some staff… It would not be allowed to happen where I work and I am sure other decent fans wouldn’t have that sort of people near them either let alone representing a team that they have supported loyally for years. The club need to address this issue as I believe it is undermining all the good work by Poortvliet and his staff. An important factor in any team dynamics is trust and morality … these need reinstating NOW or we will never get out of this mess.

Tevs wrote:
But IF Lowe was this good a judge of players Schneiderlin Holmes Perry Wotton Kenwyne Crouch etc etc then why oh why is he paying someone to manage the club when he - - Mostly chooses the players to sign/sell - An Interferance with Training (ask Strachan) - Never allocates the funds anyway - Approves the starting line up - Gets his nose in on everything - Ear marks loans - Reveals everything wrong/right about us - Loses patience with under achievers - Opens his mouth to often - Will be the main man until removed - Earns too much for a club thats so skint! Read the first letter each of quotes from above and it spells?............. ..

Proof please?

Hello everyone!!

Just like to remind everybody, I'm into pony love!

crew657 wrote:
Hello everyone!! Just like to remind everybody, I'm into pony love!

Hows the skate that got thrown off the train?

Not so artful wrote:
I notice the with a smile on my face that artful dodger is dishing out intelligence advice again. He has been shown for the idiot he is on numerous occasions now, namely by happy gilmore. Leave the advice on intelligence alone artful. You only look more stupid. Heres your last attempt at looking intelligent, that back fired on you.

Artful Dodger you should also use a capital letter 'I' for the personal pronoun - not once, but twice. I note that you are so ashamed of where you live, that you do not add your location after your 'name'. It is abundantly clear that your knowledge of Millbrook is on a par with you command of the written English. It is quite common for people, when they have lost an argument, or try to bluster their way through a subject of which they have limited knowledge, that they resort to abuse and name calling. I note that, once again, that is what you resort to. You will note that I do not called you names, or accused you of living in a rat infested slum or any of the other petty, childish things that you have claimed about the residents of Millbrook. I imagine that the reason must be because I am an adult, and you are an adolescent who likes to talk tough from behind a computer screen. If the country's future depends on persons like you, then we certainly have a tough time ahead.

Then gilmore said

Happy Gilmore Please please, little Millbrook scum, if you attempt sarcasm, using the English language as a weapon or tool, at least have the intelligence to wield it, you sad pathetic little Millbrook filth. Let me show why, for your grotty little benefit; "on a par with you command of the written English". I think you meant, your ! "You will note that I do not called you names". I think you meant, call ! "If the country's future depends on persons like you". Well, "persons" could be used in certain contexts, of a sentence, so you may have got away with that one. The trouble is fartful, due the syntax of your post and previous dribblings of yours, i think it's safe to say, you failed again. I think we can see a pattern here. You pull me up for not using a capital, and then make errors in your post. You then go on to use abuse, then cry foul, because the low blow is returned. You then harp on about me losing an arguement, because i use abuse (again, exactly like you) and fail to remember your previous dribble.

Gilmore could have also found mistakes in other parts of your post, but hey, i think we get the picture.

Unsuprisingly quiet dodger. Umm. Wonder why.

Not so artful wrote:
I notice the with a smile on my face that artful dodger is dishing out intelligence advice again. He has been shown for the idiot he is on numerous occasions now, namely by happy gilmore. Leave the advice on intelligence alone artful. You only look more stupid. Heres your last attempt at looking intelligent, that back fired on you.

Artful Dodger you should also use a capital letter 'I' for the personal pronoun - not once, but twice. I note that you are so ashamed of where you live, that you do not add your location after your 'name'. It is abundantly clear that your knowledge of Millbrook is on a par with you command of the written English. It is quite common for people, when they have lost an argument, or try to bluster their way through a subject of which they have limited knowledge, that they resort to abuse and name calling. I note that, once again, that is what you resort to. You will note that I do not called you names, or accused you of living in a rat infested slum or any of the other petty, childish things that you have claimed about the residents of Millbrook. I imagine that the reason must be because I am an adult, and you are an adolescent who likes to talk tough from behind a computer screen. If the country's future depends on persons like you, then we certainly have a tough time ahead.

Then gilmore said

Happy Gilmore Please please, little Millbrook scum, if you attempt sarcasm, using the English language as a weapon or tool, at least have the intelligence to wield it, you sad pathetic little Millbrook filth. Let me show why, for your grotty little benefit; "on a par with you command of the written English". I think you meant, your ! "You will note that I do not called you names". I think you meant, call ! "If the country's future depends on persons like you". Well, "persons" could be used in certain contexts, of a sentence, so you may have got away with that one. The trouble is fartful, due the syntax of your post and previous dribblings of yours, i think it's safe to say, you failed again. I think we can see a pattern here. You pull me up for not using a capital, and then make errors in your post. You then go on to use abuse, then cry foul, because the low blow is returned. You then harp on about me losing an arguement, because i use abuse (again, exactly like you) and fail to remember your previous dribble.

Gilmore could have also found mistakes in other parts of your post, but hey, i think we get the picture.

I wonder why Gilmore had to get someone else to highlight the posts of a pair of numpties?

Kevin wrote:

Not so artful wrote: I notice the with a smile on my face that artful dodger is dishing out intelligence advice again. He has been shown for the idiot he is on numerous occasions now, namely by happy gilmore. Leave the advice on intelligence alone artful. You only look more stupid. Heres your last attempt at looking intelligent, that back fired on you.

Artful Dodger you should also use a capital letter 'I' for the personal pronoun - not once, but twice. I note that you are so ashamed of where you live, that you do not add your location after your 'name'. It is abundantly clear that your knowledge of Millbrook is on a par with you command of the written English. It is quite common for people, when they have lost an argument, or try to bluster their way through a subject of which they have limited knowledge, that they resort to abuse and name calling. I note that, once again, that is what you resort to. You will note that I do not called you names, or accused you of living in a rat infested slum or any of the other petty, childish things that you have claimed about the residents of Millbrook. I imagine that the reason must be because I am an adult, and you are an adolescent who likes to talk tough from behind a computer screen. If the country's future depends on persons like you, then we certainly have a tough time ahead.

Then gilmore said

Happy Gilmore Please please, little Millbrook scum, if you attempt sarcasm, using the English language as a weapon or tool, at least have the intelligence to wield it, you sad pathetic little Millbrook filth. Let me show why, for your grotty little benefit; "on a par with you command of the written English". I think you meant, your ! "You will note that I do not called you names". I think you meant, call ! "If the country's future depends on persons like you". Well, "persons" could be used in certain contexts, of a sentence, so you may have got away with that one. The trouble is fartful, due the syntax of your post and previous dribblings of yours, i think it's safe to say, you failed again. I think we can see a pattern here. You pull me up for not using a capital, and then make errors in your post. You then go on to use abuse, then cry foul, because the low blow is returned. You then harp on about me losing an arguement, because i use abuse (again, exactly like you) and fail to remember your previous dribble.

Gilmore could have also found mistakes in other parts of your post, but hey, i think we get the picture.

I wonder why Gilmore had to get someone else to highlight the posts of a pair of numpties?

That's true. I also wonder why "Kevin from Maybush" is highlighting the same said "numpties". It would be easier for "Kevin from Maybush" just to admit that he was "Artful Dodger".

Saintlover wrote:
How can you have a positive professional atmosphere in a dressing room when Dyer and Phillips can still walk into St Mary's with their so called mates! They know the names of the thieves and also got off being prosecuted or getting a more serious charge because of clever barristers. I am sure that some of our players are not too happy about that along with some staff… It would not be allowed to happen where I work and I am sure other decent fans wouldn’t have that sort of people near them either let alone representing a team that they have supported loyally for years. The club need to address this issue as I believe it is undermining all the good work by Poortvliet and his staff. An important factor in any team dynamics is trust and morality … these need reinstating NOW or we will never get out of this mess.

Couldn't agree more, where I work Dyer would have been sacked as soon as he was convicted. Why is he still at the club?

Makes me ashamed to be a Saints fan.

diretimes wrote:

Saintlover wrote: How can you have a positive professional atmosphere in a dressing room when Dyer and Phillips can still walk into St Mary's with their so called mates! They know the names of the thieves and also got off being prosecuted or getting a more serious charge because of clever barristers. I am sure that some of our players are not too happy about that along with some staff… It would not be allowed to happen where I work and I am sure other decent fans wouldn’t have that sort of people near them either let alone representing a team that they have supported loyally for years. The club need to address this issue as I believe it is undermining all the good work by Poortvliet and his staff. An important factor in any team dynamics is trust and morality … these need reinstating NOW or we will never get out of this mess.

Couldn't agree more, where I work Dyer would have been sacked as soon as he was convicted. Why is he still at the club? Makes me ashamed to be a Saints fan.

He went out and behaved like an idiot. He's no Joey Barton so will you stop over reacting.

Re my earlier post and the reply by sarum saint. I agree with you completely. I think that as the season goes on an in form Surman will be better for us that Gillet though. Maybe they could be good together or Surman in the hole. They are versitile players but I don't like Surman at left back. He looks unassured and disinterested.

Forgotten Saints stars?! Balls to Eull, Skacel etc Bring back le tis, benali and pahars!

jannersaint wrote:

diretimes wrote:

Saintlover wrote: How can you have a positive professional atmosphere in a dressing room when Dyer and Phillips can still walk into St Mary\'s with their so called mates! They know the names of the thieves and also got off being prosecuted or getting a more serious charge because of clever barristers. I am sure that some of our players are not too happy about that along with some staff… It would not be allowed to happen where I work and I am sure other decent fans wouldn’t have that sort of people near them either let alone representing a team that they have supported loyally for years. The club need to address this issue as I believe it is undermining all the good work by Poortvliet and his staff. An important factor in any team dynamics is trust and morality … these need reinstating NOW or we will never get out of this mess.

Couldn\'t agree more, where I work Dyer would have been sacked as soon as he was convicted. Why is he still at the club? Makes me ashamed to be a Saints fan.

He went out and behaved like an idiot. He\'s no Joey Barton so will you stop over reacting.

Re my earlier post and the reply by sarum saint. I agree with you completely. I think that as the season goes on an in form Surman will be better for us that Gillet though. Maybe they could be good together or Surman in the hole. They are versitile players but I don\'t like Surman at left back. He looks unassured and disinterested.

I know he's no Barton who definitely should have been sacked.

I am not over reacting, as a professional footballer he is a role model and Saints should realise that.

A game can be lost before the team get on the pitch ...and there are plenty of examples where teams and individuals have turned in poor performances due to off field activity. Its all about confidence and having the winning mind set, also I would venture, 'where's there's smoke there's fire' .... we don't get all the details of players antics and I am sure there have been situations why Saints hasn't played well and its nothing to do with fitness and individual skills but the 'heads' of players not in the right frame of mind ..... Remember a player is doing a job of work like anyone else and it pays his bills, he is no super man and is subject to all the normal everyday human frailties...

i think dyer and wright-phillips should have be