Last night the Royal Lymington Yacht Club warned that the vessels were likely to have an adverse impact on sailing in the river.

Andy wrote:
With regard to the RLYC's comments about sailing on the river, when we sailed to Yarmouth two Saturdays ago on Cenred every single yacht bar one wayfarer (outside the channel marker posts anyway) was under power, not under sail and all the yachts only put sails up as they neared Jack-in-the-Basket. This is not because of the ferries, this is because the yachties are either not skilled enough or are just too imaptient to get out to the Solent as quickly as possible. I challenge the LRA and the RLYC to deny that this is normal for Lymington River and pretty much always has been.

sailor wrote:

Andy wrote:
With regard to the RLYC's comments about sailing on the river, when we sailed to Yarmouth two Saturdays ago on Cenred every single yacht bar one wayfarer (outside the channel marker posts anyway) was under power, not under sail and all the yachts only put sails up as they neared Jack-in-the-Basket. This is not because of the ferries, this is because the yachties are either not skilled enough or are just too imaptient to get out to the Solent as quickly as possible. I challenge the LRA and the RLYC to deny that this is normal for Lymington River and pretty much always has been.

Ignorant statement. Sailors drop their sails on entrance to the river (which officially starts at Jack in the Basket) because it is more controlled to motor down the narrow, bendy, shallow river, not because of lack of skill or impatience. There is a speed limit in the river of 6 knots anyway which most yachts could do under sail. Dinghies (such as a Wayfarer, sail down the river because they are more manoeuvrable and they have no engines. When the Royal Lymington refers to sailing in the river it means the use of the river by all craft, not explicitly travelling down the river with sails up.

Andy wrote:

sailor wrote:

Andy wrote: With regard to the RLYC\'s comments about sailing on the river, when we sailed to Yarmouth two Saturdays ago on Cenred every single yacht bar one wayfarer (outside the channel marker posts anyway) was under power, not under sail and all the yachts only put sails up as they neared Jack-in-the-Basket. This is not because of the ferries, this is because the yachties are either not skilled enough or are just too imaptient to get out to the Solent as quickly as possible. I challenge the LRA and the RLYC to deny that this is normal for Lymington River and pretty much always has been.

Ignorant statement. Sailors drop their sails on entrance to the river (which officially starts at Jack in the Basket) because it is more controlled to motor down the narrow, bendy, shallow river, not because of lack of skill or impatience. There is a speed limit in the river of 6 knots anyway which most yachts could do under sail. Dinghies (such as a Wayfarer, sail down the river because they are more manoeuvrable and they have no engines. When the Royal Lymington refers to sailing in the river it means the use of the river by all craft, not explicitly travelling down the river with sails up.

Excellent. So if you acknowledge that virtually all yachts are under power while in the river then what is the RLYC\'s point? There is no problem of manouevreability, yachts are not having to tack or jibe, and they can stick to a course. So if I am so ignorant (which I am palpably not) - then articulate exactly why the new ferries pose such as problem as to be banned from the river.

Andy wrote:
You can't have it both ways "Sailor" - are the boats under sail or not? You talk about windshadow one minute and then berate me for ignorance the next because I pointed out that almost all yachts use motors in the river. regarding size, it's beam, not length that predominates in Lymington River - but if you think the enlarged footprint of a single vessel makes that much difference then perhaps we should also ban any increase in yachts and yacht sizes as well. Are you happy to sign up to that? And as to your point about estuarial damage, prove it. Could you compare that with the tidal suck caused by the Marina basins where your boat may be? Unfortunately you are not only prejudiced but you are also a bigot for prejudging (wrongly) that I know nothing about sailing. As it happens I have been instrumental in stopping my own sailing club from supporting the LRA in its false, selfish and hypocritical aims, which you wholeheartedly support. You are not only ignorant yourself. but something of a hypocrite too.

bacon butty wrote:
Look at that last post by Andy, this is typical of the yotty type of concil scum who think they are something there not, why on this thread has everyone found it nessesary to break out long paragraths and big words...............
...because they are all trying to be something there not.

Mental Mickey wrote:
Correction - they are being something that you're not.

bacon butty wrote:
What did i ever do to you........dont have a go at me cause you were abused as a child, I aint done nothing wrong just airing my veiws minding my own business and you go calling me a name, you are so low, you like the boats do you shall we humour you shall we, daddt let you see big boat id you very good and suck this

southy wrote:
rlyc will get no backing from me i know to well what they are like. iow ferry in lymington been there a lot longer than any yacht club. back in the late 50's and early 60's rlyc broke its own rules by exceding its own max membership limit and registering none local people,just so they could get a yacht basing build built in the 60,s there is more than enough manouevre room. and if you need more room then you should learn how to sail and learn the rules of the sea.sail-be-for-stea m do not apply in shipping lanes and channels.has most yachties seem to think.if you cant controll you vessel in a channel then you get out the tender and you tow it in. most yachties now days are no more than sunday drivers on the water (andy try spelling d-a-m-n,dam)

what wrote:

southy wrote:
rlyc will get no backing from me i know to well what they are like. iow ferry in lymington been there a lot longer than any yacht club. back in the late 50's and early 60's rlyc broke its own rules by exceding its own max membership limit and registering none local people,just so they could get a yacht basing build built in the 60,s there is more than enough manouevre room. and if you need more room then you should learn how to sail and learn the rules of the sea.sail-be-for-stea m do not apply in shipping lanes and channels.has most yachties seem to think.if you cant controll you vessel in a channel then you get out the tender and you tow it in. most yachties now days are no more than sunday drivers on the water (andy try spelling d-a-m-n,dam)

what the??? Can somebody translate this for me. I dont mind that Southys spelling aint allways all that but this is completely unintelligable.

what wrote:

southy wrote: rlyc will get no backing from me i know to well what they are like. iow ferry in lymington been there a lot longer than any yacht club. back in the late 50's and early 60's rlyc broke its own rules by exceding its own max membership limit and registering none local people,just so they could get a yacht basing build built in the 60,s there is more than enough manouevre room. and if you need more room then you should learn how to sail and learn the rules of the sea.sail-be-for-stea m do not apply in shipping lanes and channels.has most yachties seem to think.if you cant controll you vessel in a channel then you get out the tender and you tow it in. most yachties now days are no more than sunday drivers on the water (andy try spelling d-a-m-n,dam)

what the??? Can somebody translate this for me. I dont mind that Southys spelling aint allways all that but this is completely unintelligable.

Forest Hump wrote:
Sailor's quote "The new ferries pose a problem because they are larger (less room for yachts), taller (more windshadow for those under sail), travel quicker (less time to manouevre) and displace around twice as much water as the former ferries (destroying Lymington River)". Who or what gives sailors the divine right to dictate the right to use Lymington river? You are both pompus and self-rightous. I think the dredging of Lymington Marina has caused more damage than the new ferry could. As for the displacement argument, Andy has already stated it is not proportional to wash generation. Stop being so selfish and think of all the people who truly benefit from this service

southy wrote:
General Malaise, Nearby he not being ironic.he one of them people that keep changing there names and cant be counted

southy wrote:

Tut tut wrote:

yachts were using lymington river a long time before any ferries turned up

You don\'t own the fricking river mate. Get over it and deal with it.

tut tut its the other way round the ferry been there longer than any yacht club,the ferry been around for a number hundred years now,first started up by a boat builder and fisherman

southy wrote:

Tut tut wrote:

yachts were using lymington river a long time before any ferries turned up

You don\'t own the fricking river mate. Get over it and deal with it.

tut tut its the other way round the ferry been there longer than any yacht club,the ferry been around for a number hundred years now,first started up by a boat builder and fisherman

southy wrote:
the ferry gets its first mention back in the tudor times.when this area was only used by fisherman,small men-of-warships and merchant shipping only,there was no yachts around in them days.first yachts seen in this country was not till charles II

clair wrote:
I don't know a thing about sailing but its a joy to hear all you know it alls having an educated interested all things 'sails' keep going - I love to hear it. clair

southy wrote:
a book call history of sea vessels vol 5.in there it say's:-Yacht from the Dutch word Jacht, was originally disigned in 1667 and used as a light, fast sailing vessel used by the Dutch navy to pursue pirates,smugglers and other transgressors around and into the shallow waters of the Low Countries. After its selection by Charles II of England as the vessel of choice for his return to Britain from the Netherlands for his restoration, it came to be used to convey important persons.And was used has a pleasure craft from the 1800's

mmm, so not specific to their usage on Lymington River then?

southy wrote:

mmm, so not specific to their usage on Lymington River then?

nope it would of been well after this date would you off seen them in the lymtoning area,and would be still only used has a goverment vessel and not a pleasure craft,was not till the victorian times did yachts start to be used has pleasure craft.

so when (approx obviously) were ferries used on the Lymington River?

It will mean noone of the imbred freaks can escape the island

Derek wrote:

It will mean noone of the imbred freaks can escape the island

What about the route to Portsmouth?

bacon butfy wrote:

what wrote:

southy wrote:
rlyc will get no backing from me i know to well what they are like. iow ferry in lymington been there a lot longer than any yacht club. back in the late 50's and early 60's rlyc broke its own rules by exceding its own max membership limit and registering none local people,just so they could get a yacht basing build built in the 60,s there is more than enough manouevre room. and if you need more room then you should learn how to sail and learn the rules of the sea.sail-be-for-stea m do not apply in shipping lanes and channels.has most yachties seem to think.if you cant controll you vessel in a channel then you get out the tender and you tow it in. most yachties now days are no more than sunday drivers on the water (andy try spelling d-a-m-n,dam)

what the??? Can somebody translate this for me. I dont mind that Southys spelling aint allways all that but this is completely unintelligable.

I wouldn't worry about it. most of his posts are just made up anyway