Denham calls for Government to step in

Daily Echo: Denham calls for Government to step in Denham calls for Government to step in

SOUTHAMPTON ITCHEN MP John Denham has called for the government to step in to save the Ford plant from the feared closure.

Mr Denham called on ministers to "do what they could" to stop Ford pulling out of the city, if that was their plan.

He said: "It would be a huge blow it is the last place in the UK where Ford still make complete vehicles. In many ways it would mean the end of Ford's involvement in the UK.

"I don't think that the government should simply say that it is unfortunate.

"It might be fords strategy maybe to shift all of its production to other EU and non EU countries and I think that the Government needs to put very strong pressure on Ford to rethink their decision, if closing the Southampton plant is the decision they have made."

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2:19pm Wed 24 Oct 12

downfader says...

How many more big corporations are the Government going to have to bail out..?
How many more big corporations are the Government going to have to bail out..? downfader
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2:25pm Wed 24 Oct 12

Hdg end mo says...

Mr Denham if this turns out to be true then i beleive it will fall on deaf ears as ford have already made there mind up the inevitable may well be soon
Mr Denham if this turns out to be true then i beleive it will fall on deaf ears as ford have already made there mind up the inevitable may well be soon Hdg end mo
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3:38pm Wed 24 Oct 12

bazzeroz says...

Mr King Canute Denham. More sh1te from him!
Mr King Canute Denham. More sh1te from him! bazzeroz
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3:57pm Wed 24 Oct 12

downfader says...

Hdg end mo wrote:
Mr Denham if this turns out to be true then i beleive it will fall on deaf ears as ford have already made there mind up the inevitable may well be soon
The executives have been trying to close the UK Ford operations since the 1980s so they can go the asia.
[quote][p][bold]Hdg end mo[/bold] wrote: Mr Denham if this turns out to be true then i beleive it will fall on deaf ears as ford have already made there mind up the inevitable may well be soon[/p][/quote]The executives have been trying to close the UK Ford operations since the 1980s so they can go the asia. downfader
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4:19pm Wed 24 Oct 12

geoff51 says...

bazzeroz wrote:
Mr King Canute Denham. More sh1te from him!
John Denham is all that is bad about socialism, that is if in doubt throw taxpayers money at it so as not to upset their Union puppet masters.
It is because of the Unions that our once proud car companies no longer exist and we have no mainstream British car companies after Red Robbo destroyed BMC or Rover.
Why is it that France can support 3 major car producers, Germany has 4 etc?
Face it Ford havent made a good car for years and the Transit has been outshone by VW and Merc for years, even the Japanese vans are superior.
The factory at Swaythling has been haunted for years by greedy grasping Unions and at the end of the day labour costs per van are higher than in other factories, its just a matter of simple economics, something that unions have no grasp of.
[quote][p][bold]bazzeroz[/bold] wrote: Mr King Canute Denham. More sh1te from him![/p][/quote]John Denham is all that is bad about socialism, that is if in doubt throw taxpayers money at it so as not to upset their Union puppet masters. It is because of the Unions that our once proud car companies no longer exist and we have no mainstream British car companies after Red Robbo destroyed BMC or Rover. Why is it that France can support 3 major car producers, Germany has 4 etc? Face it Ford havent made a good car for years and the Transit has been outshone by VW and Merc for years, even the Japanese vans are superior. The factory at Swaythling has been haunted for years by greedy grasping Unions and at the end of the day labour costs per van are higher than in other factories, its just a matter of simple economics, something that unions have no grasp of. geoff51
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6:26pm Wed 24 Oct 12

downfader says...

geoff51 wrote:
bazzeroz wrote:
Mr King Canute Denham. More sh1te from him!
John Denham is all that is bad about socialism, that is if in doubt throw taxpayers money at it so as not to upset their Union puppet masters.
It is because of the Unions that our once proud car companies no longer exist and we have no mainstream British car companies after Red Robbo destroyed BMC or Rover.
Why is it that France can support 3 major car producers, Germany has 4 etc?
Face it Ford havent made a good car for years and the Transit has been outshone by VW and Merc for years, even the Japanese vans are superior.
The factory at Swaythling has been haunted for years by greedy grasping Unions and at the end of the day labour costs per van are higher than in other factories, its just a matter of simple economics, something that unions have no grasp of.
John Denham is not a socialist. Look at his voting record:

- very strongly for Labour's anti-terrorism laws
- strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war
- moderately for a transparent Parliament (yeah, not like any of the plebs should know how parliament works)
- very strongly for introducing ID cards
- strongly for a stricter asylum system

Many of these were once the proposals of the Thatcher era and before.

http://www.theyworkf
oryou.com/mp/john_de
nham/southampton,_it
chen
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bazzeroz[/bold] wrote: Mr King Canute Denham. More sh1te from him![/p][/quote]John Denham is all that is bad about socialism, that is if in doubt throw taxpayers money at it so as not to upset their Union puppet masters. It is because of the Unions that our once proud car companies no longer exist and we have no mainstream British car companies after Red Robbo destroyed BMC or Rover. Why is it that France can support 3 major car producers, Germany has 4 etc? Face it Ford havent made a good car for years and the Transit has been outshone by VW and Merc for years, even the Japanese vans are superior. The factory at Swaythling has been haunted for years by greedy grasping Unions and at the end of the day labour costs per van are higher than in other factories, its just a matter of simple economics, something that unions have no grasp of.[/p][/quote]John Denham is not a socialist. Look at his voting record: - very strongly for Labour's anti-terrorism laws - strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war - moderately for a transparent Parliament (yeah, not like any of the plebs should know how parliament works) - very strongly for introducing ID cards - strongly for a stricter asylum system Many of these were once the proposals of the Thatcher era and before. http://www.theyworkf oryou.com/mp/john_de nham/southampton,_it chen downfader
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7:46pm Wed 24 Oct 12

geoff51 says...

downfader wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
bazzeroz wrote:
Mr King Canute Denham. More sh1te from him!
John Denham is all that is bad about socialism, that is if in doubt throw taxpayers money at it so as not to upset their Union puppet masters.
It is because of the Unions that our once proud car companies no longer exist and we have no mainstream British car companies after Red Robbo destroyed BMC or Rover.
Why is it that France can support 3 major car producers, Germany has 4 etc?
Face it Ford havent made a good car for years and the Transit has been outshone by VW and Merc for years, even the Japanese vans are superior.
The factory at Swaythling has been haunted for years by greedy grasping Unions and at the end of the day labour costs per van are higher than in other factories, its just a matter of simple economics, something that unions have no grasp of.
John Denham is not a socialist. Look at his voting record:

- very strongly for Labour's anti-terrorism laws
- strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war
- moderately for a transparent Parliament (yeah, not like any of the plebs should know how parliament works)
- very strongly for introducing ID cards
- strongly for a stricter asylum system

Many of these were once the proposals of the Thatcher era and before.

http://www.theyworkf

oryou.com/mp/john_de

nham/southampton,_it

chen
Stick to preaching about Cyclists, you have no idea about politics.
By Socialist I mean anyone left of centre and that definitely includes Mr Soundbite Denham.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bazzeroz[/bold] wrote: Mr King Canute Denham. More sh1te from him![/p][/quote]John Denham is all that is bad about socialism, that is if in doubt throw taxpayers money at it so as not to upset their Union puppet masters. It is because of the Unions that our once proud car companies no longer exist and we have no mainstream British car companies after Red Robbo destroyed BMC or Rover. Why is it that France can support 3 major car producers, Germany has 4 etc? Face it Ford havent made a good car for years and the Transit has been outshone by VW and Merc for years, even the Japanese vans are superior. The factory at Swaythling has been haunted for years by greedy grasping Unions and at the end of the day labour costs per van are higher than in other factories, its just a matter of simple economics, something that unions have no grasp of.[/p][/quote]John Denham is not a socialist. Look at his voting record: - very strongly for Labour's anti-terrorism laws - strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war - moderately for a transparent Parliament (yeah, not like any of the plebs should know how parliament works) - very strongly for introducing ID cards - strongly for a stricter asylum system Many of these were once the proposals of the Thatcher era and before. http://www.theyworkf oryou.com/mp/john_de nham/southampton,_it chen[/p][/quote]Stick to preaching about Cyclists, you have no idea about politics. By Socialist I mean anyone left of centre and that definitely includes Mr Soundbite Denham. geoff51
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9:39pm Wed 24 Oct 12

loosehead says...

Blair wanted to bail out Rovers but the EU stopped it so why does Denham believe anythings changed?
Blair wanted to bail out Rovers but the EU stopped it so why does Denham believe anythings changed? loosehead
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10:09pm Wed 24 Oct 12

bazzeroz says...

downfader wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
bazzeroz wrote:
Mr King Canute Denham. More sh1te from him!
John Denham is all that is bad about socialism, that is if in doubt throw taxpayers money at it so as not to upset their Union puppet masters.
It is because of the Unions that our once proud car companies no longer exist and we have no mainstream British car companies after Red Robbo destroyed BMC or Rover.
Why is it that France can support 3 major car producers, Germany has 4 etc?
Face it Ford havent made a good car for years and the Transit has been outshone by VW and Merc for years, even the Japanese vans are superior.
The factory at Swaythling has been haunted for years by greedy grasping Unions and at the end of the day labour costs per van are higher than in other factories, its just a matter of simple economics, something that unions have no grasp of.
John Denham is not a socialist. Look at his voting record:

- very strongly for Labour's anti-terrorism laws
- strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war
- moderately for a transparent Parliament (yeah, not like any of the plebs should know how parliament works)
- very strongly for introducing ID cards
- strongly for a stricter asylum system

Many of these were once the proposals of the Thatcher era and before.

http://www.theyworkf

oryou.com/mp/john_de

nham/southampton,_it

chen
And he's achieved what exactly? You only see him in his constituency when it's time to vote. Oh! and he was in Bitterne precinct last Christmas handing out leaflets and looked as bored as I would have if I'd read it!
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bazzeroz[/bold] wrote: Mr King Canute Denham. More sh1te from him![/p][/quote]John Denham is all that is bad about socialism, that is if in doubt throw taxpayers money at it so as not to upset their Union puppet masters. It is because of the Unions that our once proud car companies no longer exist and we have no mainstream British car companies after Red Robbo destroyed BMC or Rover. Why is it that France can support 3 major car producers, Germany has 4 etc? Face it Ford havent made a good car for years and the Transit has been outshone by VW and Merc for years, even the Japanese vans are superior. The factory at Swaythling has been haunted for years by greedy grasping Unions and at the end of the day labour costs per van are higher than in other factories, its just a matter of simple economics, something that unions have no grasp of.[/p][/quote]John Denham is not a socialist. Look at his voting record: - very strongly for Labour's anti-terrorism laws - strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war - moderately for a transparent Parliament (yeah, not like any of the plebs should know how parliament works) - very strongly for introducing ID cards - strongly for a stricter asylum system Many of these were once the proposals of the Thatcher era and before. http://www.theyworkf oryou.com/mp/john_de nham/southampton,_it chen[/p][/quote]And he's achieved what exactly? You only see him in his constituency when it's time to vote. Oh! and he was in Bitterne precinct last Christmas handing out leaflets and looked as bored as I would have if I'd read it! bazzeroz
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11:52pm Wed 24 Oct 12

kingnotail says...

geoff51 wrote:
bazzeroz wrote:
Mr King Canute Denham. More sh1te from him!
John Denham is all that is bad about socialism, that is if in doubt throw taxpayers money at it so as not to upset their Union puppet masters.
It is because of the Unions that our once proud car companies no longer exist and we have no mainstream British car companies after Red Robbo destroyed BMC or Rover.
Why is it that France can support 3 major car producers, Germany has 4 etc?
Face it Ford havent made a good car for years and the Transit has been outshone by VW and Merc for years, even the Japanese vans are superior.
The factory at Swaythling has been haunted for years by greedy grasping Unions and at the end of the day labour costs per van are higher than in other factories, its just a matter of simple economics, something that unions have no grasp of.
Nonsense. The unions in France and Germany are far more powerful than they have ever been in the UK. The difference is that the French and Germans have never been sold the Thatcherite lie that it is a good idea to abandon all industry except finance. By your reasoning I assume you are also opposed to the bank bailouts?
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bazzeroz[/bold] wrote: Mr King Canute Denham. More sh1te from him![/p][/quote]John Denham is all that is bad about socialism, that is if in doubt throw taxpayers money at it so as not to upset their Union puppet masters. It is because of the Unions that our once proud car companies no longer exist and we have no mainstream British car companies after Red Robbo destroyed BMC or Rover. Why is it that France can support 3 major car producers, Germany has 4 etc? Face it Ford havent made a good car for years and the Transit has been outshone by VW and Merc for years, even the Japanese vans are superior. The factory at Swaythling has been haunted for years by greedy grasping Unions and at the end of the day labour costs per van are higher than in other factories, its just a matter of simple economics, something that unions have no grasp of.[/p][/quote]Nonsense. The unions in France and Germany are far more powerful than they have ever been in the UK. The difference is that the French and Germans have never been sold the Thatcherite lie that it is a good idea to abandon all industry except finance. By your reasoning I assume you are also opposed to the bank bailouts? kingnotail
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12:18am Thu 25 Oct 12

downfader says...

kingnotail wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
bazzeroz wrote:
Mr King Canute Denham. More sh1te from him!
John Denham is all that is bad about socialism, that is if in doubt throw taxpayers money at it so as not to upset their Union puppet masters.
It is because of the Unions that our once proud car companies no longer exist and we have no mainstream British car companies after Red Robbo destroyed BMC or Rover.
Why is it that France can support 3 major car producers, Germany has 4 etc?
Face it Ford havent made a good car for years and the Transit has been outshone by VW and Merc for years, even the Japanese vans are superior.
The factory at Swaythling has been haunted for years by greedy grasping Unions and at the end of the day labour costs per van are higher than in other factories, its just a matter of simple economics, something that unions have no grasp of.
Nonsense. The unions in France and Germany are far more powerful than they have ever been in the UK. The difference is that the French and Germans have never been sold the Thatcherite lie that it is a good idea to abandon all industry except finance. By your reasoning I assume you are also opposed to the bank bailouts?
Geoff is one that likes to try and poke the finger, waiting for the moment you'll reveal something about yourself so that he can hold it against you.

He's laughable. He's not really here to debate...
[quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bazzeroz[/bold] wrote: Mr King Canute Denham. More sh1te from him![/p][/quote]John Denham is all that is bad about socialism, that is if in doubt throw taxpayers money at it so as not to upset their Union puppet masters. It is because of the Unions that our once proud car companies no longer exist and we have no mainstream British car companies after Red Robbo destroyed BMC or Rover. Why is it that France can support 3 major car producers, Germany has 4 etc? Face it Ford havent made a good car for years and the Transit has been outshone by VW and Merc for years, even the Japanese vans are superior. The factory at Swaythling has been haunted for years by greedy grasping Unions and at the end of the day labour costs per van are higher than in other factories, its just a matter of simple economics, something that unions have no grasp of.[/p][/quote]Nonsense. The unions in France and Germany are far more powerful than they have ever been in the UK. The difference is that the French and Germans have never been sold the Thatcherite lie that it is a good idea to abandon all industry except finance. By your reasoning I assume you are also opposed to the bank bailouts?[/p][/quote]Geoff is one that likes to try and poke the finger, waiting for the moment you'll reveal something about yourself so that he can hold it against you. He's laughable. He's not really here to debate... downfader
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7:10am Thu 25 Oct 12

loosehead says...

kingnotail wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
bazzeroz wrote:
Mr King Canute Denham. More sh1te from him!
John Denham is all that is bad about socialism, that is if in doubt throw taxpayers money at it so as not to upset their Union puppet masters.
It is because of the Unions that our once proud car companies no longer exist and we have no mainstream British car companies after Red Robbo destroyed BMC or Rover.
Why is it that France can support 3 major car producers, Germany has 4 etc?
Face it Ford havent made a good car for years and the Transit has been outshone by VW and Merc for years, even the Japanese vans are superior.
The factory at Swaythling has been haunted for years by greedy grasping Unions and at the end of the day labour costs per van are higher than in other factories, its just a matter of simple economics, something that unions have no grasp of.
Nonsense. The unions in France and Germany are far more powerful than they have ever been in the UK. The difference is that the French and Germans have never been sold the Thatcherite lie that it is a good idea to abandon all industry except finance. By your reasoning I assume you are also opposed to the bank bailouts?
Sorry wasn't it Brown who said jobs in the city was our future?
didn't he say we couldn't compete in Manufacturing & IT & new technologies were the way forward?
[quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bazzeroz[/bold] wrote: Mr King Canute Denham. More sh1te from him![/p][/quote]John Denham is all that is bad about socialism, that is if in doubt throw taxpayers money at it so as not to upset their Union puppet masters. It is because of the Unions that our once proud car companies no longer exist and we have no mainstream British car companies after Red Robbo destroyed BMC or Rover. Why is it that France can support 3 major car producers, Germany has 4 etc? Face it Ford havent made a good car for years and the Transit has been outshone by VW and Merc for years, even the Japanese vans are superior. The factory at Swaythling has been haunted for years by greedy grasping Unions and at the end of the day labour costs per van are higher than in other factories, its just a matter of simple economics, something that unions have no grasp of.[/p][/quote]Nonsense. The unions in France and Germany are far more powerful than they have ever been in the UK. The difference is that the French and Germans have never been sold the Thatcherite lie that it is a good idea to abandon all industry except finance. By your reasoning I assume you are also opposed to the bank bailouts?[/p][/quote]Sorry wasn't it Brown who said jobs in the city was our future? didn't he say we couldn't compete in Manufacturing & IT & new technologies were the way forward? loosehead
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10:00am Thu 25 Oct 12

downfader says...

loosehead wrote:
kingnotail wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
bazzeroz wrote:
Mr King Canute Denham. More sh1te from him!
John Denham is all that is bad about socialism, that is if in doubt throw taxpayers money at it so as not to upset their Union puppet masters.
It is because of the Unions that our once proud car companies no longer exist and we have no mainstream British car companies after Red Robbo destroyed BMC or Rover.
Why is it that France can support 3 major car producers, Germany has 4 etc?
Face it Ford havent made a good car for years and the Transit has been outshone by VW and Merc for years, even the Japanese vans are superior.
The factory at Swaythling has been haunted for years by greedy grasping Unions and at the end of the day labour costs per van are higher than in other factories, its just a matter of simple economics, something that unions have no grasp of.
Nonsense. The unions in France and Germany are far more powerful than they have ever been in the UK. The difference is that the French and Germans have never been sold the Thatcherite lie that it is a good idea to abandon all industry except finance. By your reasoning I assume you are also opposed to the bank bailouts?
Sorry wasn't it Brown who said jobs in the city was our future?
didn't he say we couldn't compete in Manufacturing & IT & new technologies were the way forward?
It started with Major's overhaul. He was actually the first PM to begin to drag us out of the 90s recession but he didnt really beleive in industry either...

..this has lead to a political culture (all parties) where we've become a nation of a few money men, service industries (how many more coffee shops can we squeeze in places) and shops.

It is also partly why when industry jobs are needed here we dont always have the people to fill the position. UK workers dont see themselves as appropriate for the job, they've been told we're all "middle class" - so those jobs end up with an influx of foreign workers because those are the only people really going for the job..

..well until this year when many a hand was forced.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bazzeroz[/bold] wrote: Mr King Canute Denham. More sh1te from him![/p][/quote]John Denham is all that is bad about socialism, that is if in doubt throw taxpayers money at it so as not to upset their Union puppet masters. It is because of the Unions that our once proud car companies no longer exist and we have no mainstream British car companies after Red Robbo destroyed BMC or Rover. Why is it that France can support 3 major car producers, Germany has 4 etc? Face it Ford havent made a good car for years and the Transit has been outshone by VW and Merc for years, even the Japanese vans are superior. The factory at Swaythling has been haunted for years by greedy grasping Unions and at the end of the day labour costs per van are higher than in other factories, its just a matter of simple economics, something that unions have no grasp of.[/p][/quote]Nonsense. The unions in France and Germany are far more powerful than they have ever been in the UK. The difference is that the French and Germans have never been sold the Thatcherite lie that it is a good idea to abandon all industry except finance. By your reasoning I assume you are also opposed to the bank bailouts?[/p][/quote]Sorry wasn't it Brown who said jobs in the city was our future? didn't he say we couldn't compete in Manufacturing & IT & new technologies were the way forward?[/p][/quote]It started with Major's overhaul. He was actually the first PM to begin to drag us out of the 90s recession but he didnt really beleive in industry either... ..this has lead to a political culture (all parties) where we've become a nation of a few money men, service industries (how many more coffee shops can we squeeze in places) and shops. It is also partly why when industry jobs are needed here we dont always have the people to fill the position. UK workers dont see themselves as appropriate for the job, they've been told we're all "middle class" - so those jobs end up with an influx of foreign workers because those are the only people really going for the job.. ..well until this year when many a hand was forced. downfader
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